This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .
Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy
alright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.
what am I buying?
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .
How about no?
Edit: Let me be more eloquent. If you need "influencers" to sell your product for you, then you need to make a better product or advertise it better. I think this kind of elitest, gatekeep-y bull**** of only selling your product to influencers needs to stay far away from this hobby.
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .
How about no?
Edit: Let me be more eloquent. If you need "influencers" to sell your product for you, then you need to make a better product or advertise it better. I think this kind of elitest, gatekeep-y bull**** of only selling your product to influencers needs to stay far away from this hobby.
Let me say here I 100% back this comment up. Let me tell you why. Let's take a quick look at OP's history in Geekhack.Show Image(https://imgur.com/4mQSTOO.png)Show Image(https://imgur.com/wi8iju0)
It's full of "Nice!" or "I like this" comments. There are however three things that make me shiver.
Exhibit 1
The first one being about an early IC the OP posted, called the KORNO65, which has been deleted leaving everyone in the thread confused. OP's history shows a couple comments there, but I would wager the original post has been lost due to the deletion. My keyboard spider senses start to tingle.
Exhibit 2
Another thing, and this a serious one, is that in this post, he claims:
"Why limited 10pcs？
- We can't wait to share our product, which has been in the design stage for 14 months from the initial idea"
Which not only does not answer the question as to why only 10 pieces, I also find weird because not only his account was created earlier than that, but in their comment history (comment n.18 in the above images), they state:
"I have been interested in keyboard diy for a long time, and I finally decided to do something by myself. Now I have set up a team to design an electrostatic capacitance & mechanical gasket aluminum shell. I hope you will like it"
Which is dated may 19, 2020. So no OP, you haven't been designing a god-damned thing for 14 months. You basically admitted to started designing in may. So you have been lying to us.
And honestly, who the hell are "we"? Who is your team? How many people are there? Are you designers, engineers, industrial designers (which even the Gater-on can be these days apparently) or just hobbyists? WHO THE F ARE YOU
Exhibit 3
This. The pièce de résistance: "This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy". We could understand "we want to make this exclusive" or "since we are new, we want to keep numbers low to learn while keeping quality". But no, you basically said **** you, only 10 pieces, we will proceed to use hype tactics to sell this product.
The use of "influencers" and "hype" is something that is making this community grow larger and we love that, but that use has its downsides. The most glaring of them being, it's very easy to hype up a horrible product and selling hundreds of it in a single build stream whilst destroying the reputation of a good one that simply didn't attend to the streamer's particular likings -- not to the streamers fault, but to the audience that understands a "I would have the top bezel smaller" as a "THIS IS LITERALLY HORRIBLE. DONT BUY THIS". This has a very bad consequence in this hobby because we are losing objectivity in what is a good keyboard or keyset or artisan, and instead we are shaping the hobby more towards "what is prettier and has better hype".
Keyboard design is serious business. It is very technical, intricate and takes a lot of practice and skill honing to get right; let alone make a hallmark product. ai03, Upas, Hiney, TGR, all have been designing keyboards for years before landing the products they have. Some of these designers are higher-educated in engineering or computer science and design products this professionally.
Final thoughtsShow Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484757042226135050/781968278083207188/ezgif-4-d4cbdee39552.gif)
alright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.
what am I buying?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NjZdyYo.png)
RIP
Don't buy this. This is totally wrong
"Why limited 10pcs？OP is "NizKeyboard". You can take a look at his storefront to see the garbage he sells. Unfortunately it looks like this is the way of the future for this community. We can hardly fault the OP for this though. Not to drag him into this, but with how easy it is to get your POS keyboard on Nathan's stream for a sponsored segment, more and more people will come out of the woodwork to try to make a quick buck. We are going to be seeing more and more sh*t like this unfortunately.
- We can't wait to share our product, which has been in the design stage for 14 months from the initial idea"
Which not only does not answer the question as to why only 10 pieces, I also find weird because not only his account was created earlier than that, but in their comment history (comment n.18 in the above images), they state:
"I have been interested in keyboard diy for a long time, and I finally decided to do something by myself. Now I have set up a team to design an electrostatic capacitance & mechanical gasket aluminum shell. I hope you will like it"
Which is dated may 19, 2020. Was the electrostatic capacitance project the KORNO? Also you don't know bullocks about what you are saying because an "electrostatic capacitance" does not exist and second because "gasket aluminum shell" sounds like a missile you are launching somewhere. You don't even know this community's jargon, costumes and rituals.
So no OP, you haven't been designing a god-damned thing for 14 months. You basically admitted to started designing in may. So you have been lying to us.
And honestly, who the hell are "we"? Who is your team? How many people are there? Are you designers, engineers, industrial designers (which even the Gater-on can be these days apparently) or just hobbyists? WHO THE F ARE YOU
OP is "NizKeyboard". You can take a look at his storefront to see the garbage he sells.
QuoteOP is "NizKeyboard". You can take a look at his storefront to see the garbage he sells.
May I ask how you know these are the same people?
This is the profile (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65226)
From a brief look, they are running another IC now (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109635.msg2980689#top). The IC format definitely looks the same so it is suspicious.
Yikes...gatekeeping based on posts? Might as well just have it be a private GB
Yikes...gatekeeping based on posts? Might as well just have it be a private GB
post count is a useful metric for filtering out scammers. people who aren't invested in the community can easily just nuke an account and start another
Yikes...gatekeeping based on posts? Might as well just have it be a private GB
post count is a useful metric for filtering out scammers. people who aren't invested in the community can easily just nuke an account and start another
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .
How about no?
Edit: Let me be more eloquent. If you need "influencers" to sell your product for you, then you need to make a better product or advertise it better. I think this kind of elitest, gatekeep-y bull**** of only selling your product to influencers needs to stay far away from this hobby.
Let me say here I 100% back this comment up. Let me tell you why. Let's take a quick look at OP's history in Geekhack.Show Image(https://imgur.com/4mQSTOO.png)Show Image(https://imgur.com/wi8iju0)
It's full of "Nice!" or "I like this" comments. There are however three things that make me shiver.
Exhibit 1
The first one being about an early IC the OP posted, called the KORNO65, which has been deleted leaving everyone in the thread confused. OP's history shows a couple comments there, but I would wager the original post has been lost due to the deletion. My keyboard spider senses start to tingle.
Exhibit 2
Another thing, and this a serious one, is that in this post, he claims:
"Why limited 10pcs？
- We can't wait to share our product, which has been in the design stage for 14 months from the initial idea"
Which not only does not answer the question as to why only 10 pieces, I also find weird because not only his account was created earlier than that, but in their comment history (comment n.18 in the above images), they state:
"I have been interested in keyboard diy for a long time, and I finally decided to do something by myself. Now I have set up a team to design an electrostatic capacitance & mechanical gasket aluminum shell. I hope you will like it"
Which is dated may 19, 2020. Was the electrostatic capacitance project the KORNO? Also you don't know bullocks about what you are saying because an "electrostatic capacitance" does not exist and second because "gasket aluminum shell" sounds like a missile you are launching somewhere. You don't even know this community's jargon, costumes and rituals.
So no OP, you haven't been designing a god-damned thing for 14 months. You basically admitted to started designing in may. So you have been lying to us.
And honestly, who the hell are "we"? Who is your team? How many people are there? Are you designers, engineers, industrial designers (which even the Gater-on can be these days apparently) or just hobbyists? WHO THE F ARE YOU
Exhibit 3
This. The pièce de résistance: "This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy". We could understand "we want to make this exclusive" or "since we are new, we want to keep numbers low to learn while keeping quality". But no, you basically said **** you, only 10 pieces, we will proceed to use hype tactics to sell this product which not only tells us you are a douchebag but also points towards the fact you don't trust your product. You might want to clarify the reason for that, but my money is on it's simply not a good product.
The use of "influencers" and "hype" is something that is making this community grow larger and we love that, but that use has its downsides. The most glaring of them being, it's very easy to hype up a horrible product and selling hundreds of it in a single build stream whilst destroying the reputation of a good one that simply didn't attend to the streamer's particular likings -- not to the streamers fault, but to the audience that understands a "I would have the top bezel smaller" as a "THIS IS LITERALLY HORRIBLE. DONT BUY THIS". This has a very bad consequence in this hobby because we are losing objectivity in what is a good keyboard or keyset or artisan, and instead we are shaping the hobby more towards "what is prettier and has better hype". This has in turn generated a downwards spiral of flipping and over-hyping that has made aftermarket nearly impossible to get into, constraining people into either getting at GB or never get the board they want. Or pay three times the price after they are delivered. What if I don't want to pay 2k USD for a 65% keyboard? And this has made the community overly competitive and toxic because people are frustrated. Also because people are a-holes in the interwebz.
Not only that, your sentence sounds gatekeepy, elitist and we don't want this here. If you want exclusivity for the sake of exclusivity, get the crap out and never come back. We want people to have nice keyboards. Having open-sourced my stuff and tried out of my heart to popularize keyboard design and make it more accessible to aspiring designers, this sentence offends me personally.
Keyboard design is serious business. It is very technical, intricate and takes a lot of practice and skill honing to get right; let alone make a hallmark product. ai03, Upas, Hiney, TGR, all have been designing keyboards for years before landing the products they have. Some of these designers are higher-educated in engineering or computer science and design products this professionally. They order prototypes even before the IC and sometimes revamp the whole thing just because of feedback; take Sagittarius for example. Not only that, many of these designers were beaten out of existence because they at some point slipped with our community. This that you are doing is outright disrespect and we will not take it.
Final thoughts
Don't buy this. This is totally wrong, this post should be re-written and we should combat this mentality that pretty=good.Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484757042226135050/781968278083207188/ezgif-4-d4cbdee39552.gif)
Why limited 10pcs？
- We can't wait to share our product, which has been in the design stage for 14 months from the initial idea
Yikes...gatekeeping based on posts? Might as well just have it be a private GB
post count is a useful metric for filtering out scammers. people who aren't invested in the community can easily just nuke an account and start another
Tihi.
Yikes...gatekeeping based on posts? Might as well just have it be a private GB
post count is a useful metric for filtering out scammers. people who aren't invested in the community can easily just nuke an account and start another
I think he means, if you are gatekeeping out right the IC, just do a private GB
I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse here, but:
What makes someone with more than 1000 followers (or more than 200 posts) more worthy than others to own this board? I can almost see the argument 'Someone with more Geekhack posts would likely be more experienced with customs and thus more able to appreciate the nuance of this custom'. I don't agree with this metric, nor that this makes someone more 'worthy' of a board, but I could at least connect the dots.
But having 1000+ followers doesn't... say anything about experience other than that the person is able to produce good content and possibly build hype. There is no benefit (that I can see) to selling this specific board to enthusiasts with more followers. If the purpose is to ensure exposure and therefore sales, there are only 10 units. It was highly likely that your board was going to be bought. The only thing we could achieve is bloating after-market value, to no advantage to you. If the purpose is only for the hype, hype will build as long as the exclusive board feels somewhat attainable, and at 10 units, hype has very little space to build.
I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve.
how does # of Geekhack posts gauge experience?
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jaC81cX.png)
If I'm very active in a different forum can I have one
I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse here, but:
What makes someone with more than 1000 followers (or more than 200 posts) more worthy than others to own this board? I can almost see the argument 'Someone with more Geekhack posts would likely be more experienced with customs and thus more able to appreciate the nuance of this custom'. I don't agree with this metric, nor that this makes someone more 'worthy' of a board, but I could at least connect the dots.
But having 1000+ followers doesn't... say anything about experience other than that the person is able to produce good content and possibly build hype. There is no benefit (that I can see) to selling this specific board to enthusiasts with more followers. If the purpose is to ensure exposure and therefore sales, there are only 10 units. It was highly likely that your board was going to be bought. The only thing we could achieve is bloating after-market value, to no advantage to you. If the purpose is only for the hype, hype will build as long as the exclusive board feels somewhat attainable, and at 10 units, hype has very little space to build.
I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve.
Agreed, how does # of Geekhack posts gauge experience? I rarely comment here and only recently started doing so, but have been in the hobby for 2 years now...
All of this to say: this IC bingoes every single bad criteria we have to analyse it, this is nuclear-level don't buy. It's not only about post number or account age.
You know, I'm not for bullying but there's always an exception. This IC is that exception.+1
damn we really out here with the essays today huh
Post number (PN) is a good metric to gauge wether a user is active. And that is it. It does not automatically say this is a cashgrab project or this is a good project, but it is in the roster of metrics to determine the fallibility and trust level of a poster, and also the chance a potential GB will go south. For what it's worth I've been in the community as the classical lurker from 2013, and I have keysets from 2013/2014 to prove it, so everything I'm saying also applies to me.
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damn we really out here with the essays today huh
Had time on the toilet.
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .
How about no?
Edit: Let me be more eloquent. If you need "influencers" to sell your product for you, then you need to make a better product or advertise it better. I think this kind of elitest, gatekeep-y bull**** of only selling your product to influencers needs to stay far away from this hobby.
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .
How about no?
Edit: Let me be more eloquent. If you need "influencers" to sell your product for you, then you need to make a better product or advertise it better. I think this kind of elitest, gatekeep-y bull**** of only selling your product to influencers needs to stay far away from this hobby.
Let me say here I 100% back this comment up. Let me tell you why. Let's take a quick look at OP's history in Geekhack.Show Image(https://imgur.com/4mQSTOO.png)Show Image(https://imgur.com/wi8iju0)
It's full of "Nice!" or "I like this" comments. There are however three things that make me shiver.
Exhibit 1
The first one being about an early IC the OP posted, called the KORNO65, which has been deleted leaving everyone in the thread confused. OP's history shows a couple comments there, but I would wager the original post has been lost due to the deletion. My keyboard spider senses start to tingle.
Exhibit 2
Another thing, and this a serious one, is that in this post, he claims:
"Why limited 10pcs？
- We can't wait to share our product, which has been in the design stage for 14 months from the initial idea"
Which not only does not answer the question as to why only 10 pieces, I also find weird because not only his account was created earlier than that, but in their comment history (comment n.18 in the above images), they state:
"I have been interested in keyboard diy for a long time, and I finally decided to do something by myself. Now I have set up a team to design an electrostatic capacitance & mechanical gasket aluminum shell. I hope you will like it"
Which is dated may 19, 2020. Was the electrostatic capacitance project the KORNO? Also you don't know bullocks about what you are saying because an "electrostatic capacitance" does not exist and second because "gasket aluminum shell" sounds like a missile you are launching somewhere. You don't even know this community's jargon, costumes and rituals.
So no OP, you haven't been designing a god-damned thing for 14 months. You basically admitted to started designing in may. So you have been lying to us.
And honestly, who the hell are "we"? Who is your team? How many people are there? Are you designers, engineers, industrial designers (which even the Gater-on can be these days apparently) or just hobbyists? WHO THE F ARE YOU
Exhibit 3
This. The pièce de résistance: "This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy". We could understand "we want to make this exclusive" or "since we are new, we want to keep numbers low to learn while keeping quality". But no, you basically said **** you, only 10 pieces, we will proceed to use hype tactics to sell this product which not only tells us you are a douchebag but also points towards the fact you don't trust your product. You might want to clarify the reason for that, but my money is on it's simply not a good product.
The use of "influencers" and "hype" is something that is making this community grow larger and we love that, but that use has its downsides. The most glaring of them being, it's very easy to hype up a horrible product and selling hundreds of it in a single build stream whilst destroying the reputation of a good one that simply didn't attend to the streamer's particular likings -- not to the streamer's fault, but to the audience's that understands a "I would have the top bezel smaller" as a "THIS IS LITERALLY HORRIBLE. DONT BUY THIS". This has a very bad consequence in this hobby because we are losing objectivity in what is a good keyboard or keyset or artisan, and instead we are shaping the hobby more towards "what is prettier and has better hype". This has a double negative effect: on the community side, it has generated a downwards spiral of flipping and over-hyping that has made aftermarket nearly impossible to get into, constraining people into either getting at GB, paying three times the price after they are delivered, or simply enver getting the keyboard they want. What if I don't want to pay 2k USD for a good 65% keyboard? From a designer's perspective, the fact the community is enabling bad designers by buying their objectively bad but hyped keyboards while willing to pay hideous amounts of money in the aftermarket for the very same bad-but-hyped products make good-intentioned and community-invested designers to either stop designing, keep putting out the same stuff over and over, or simply having their interest dwindle. And all of this has made the community overly competitive and toxic because people are frustrated. Also because people are a-holes in the interwebz.
Not only that, your sentence sounds gatekeepy, elitist and we don't want this here. If you want exclusivity for the sake of exclusivity, get the crap out and never come back. We want people to have nice keyboards. Having open-sourced my stuff and tried out of my heart to popularize keyboard design and make it more accessible to aspiring designers, this sentence offends me personally.
Keyboard design is serious business. It is very technical, intricate and takes a lot of practice and skill honing to get right; let alone make a hallmark product. ai03, Upas, Hiney, TGR, all have been designing keyboards for years before landing the products they have. Some of these designers are higher-educated in engineering or computer science and design products this professionally. They order prototypes even before the IC and sometimes revamp the whole thing just because of feedback; take Sagittarius for example. Not only that, many of these designers were beaten out of existence because they at some point slipped with our community. This that you are doing is outright disrespect and we will not take it.
Final thoughts
Don't buy this. This is totally wrong, this post should be re-written and we should combat this mentality that pretty=good.Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484757042226135050/781968278083207188/ezgif-4-d4cbdee39552.gif)
EDITs: corrections and minor addittions
Not goodYou know it's bad when everyone agrees with treeleaf
Please no bully treeleaf. Hi it's treeleaf!Not goodYou know it's bad when everyone agrees with treeleaf
Please no bully treeleaf. Hi it's treeleaf!Not goodYou know it's bad when everyone agrees with treeleaf
Sent from my GM1911 using Tapatalk
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Welp I don't have 200 GH posts, and for this reason I'm out.
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Welp I don't have 200 GH posts, and for this reason I'm out.
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Welp I don't have 200 GH posts, and for this reason I'm out.
GTFO scrub
heheh, i have an essay in another thread, just one of those days
cyberpunk release messing with all of us
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Welp I don't have 200 GH posts, and for this reason I'm out.
heheh, i have an essay in another thread, just one of those days
cyberpunk release messing with all of us
Only two and a half hours left before we can stop **** posting on GH
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Welp I don't have 200 GH posts, and for this reason I'm out.
LMAO I CAN BUY THIS BOARD BUT TAEHA CAN'T
post count is a fake metric
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Welp I don't have 200 GH posts, and for this reason I'm out.
LMAO I CAN BUY THIS BOARD BUT TAEHA CAN'T
post count is a fake metric
All 11647 of them, gone to waste.
A worse poast than GMK Holy Panda. Truly a marvel.
Sadly this is from a different forum.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jaC81cX.png)
If I'm very active in a different forum can I have one
4chan and hentai websites don't count.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jaC81cX.png)
If I'm very active in a different forum can I have one
MoreThis group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .
How about no?
Edit: Let me be more eloquent. If you need "influencers" to sell your product for you, then you need to make a better product or advertise it better. I think this kind of elitest, gatekeep-y bull**** of only selling your product to influencers needs to stay far away from this hobby.
Let me say here I 100% back this comment up. Let me tell you why. Let's take a quick look at OP's history in Geekhack.Show Image(https://imgur.com/4mQSTOO.png)Show Image(https://imgur.com/wi8iju0)
It's full of "Nice!" or "I like this" comments. There are however three things that make me shiver.
Exhibit 1
The first one being about an early IC the OP posted, called the KORNO65, which has been deleted leaving everyone in the thread confused. OP's history shows a couple comments there, but I would wager the original post has been lost due to the deletion. My keyboard spider senses start to tingle.
Exhibit 2
Another thing, and this a serious one, is that in this post, he claims:
"Why limited 10pcs？
- We can't wait to share our product, which has been in the design stage for 14 months from the initial idea"
Which not only does not answer the question as to why only 10 pieces, I also find weird because not only his account was created earlier than that, but in their comment history (comment n.18 in the above images), they state:
"I have been interested in keyboard diy for a long time, and I finally decided to do something by myself. Now I have set up a team to design an electrostatic capacitance & mechanical gasket aluminum shell. I hope you will like it"
Which is dated may 19, 2020. Was the electrostatic capacitance project the KORNO? Also you don't know bullocks about what you are saying because an "electrostatic capacitance" does not exist and second because "gasket aluminum shell" sounds like a missile you are launching somewhere. You don't even know this community's jargon, costumes and rituals.
So no OP, you haven't been designing a god-damned thing for 14 months. You basically admitted to started designing in may. So you have been lying to us.
And honestly, who the hell are "we"? Who is your team? How many people are there? Are you designers, engineers, industrial designers (which even the Gater-on can be these days apparently) or just hobbyists? WHO THE F ARE YOU
Exhibit 3
This. The pièce de résistance: "This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy". We could understand "we want to make this exclusive" or "since we are new, we want to keep numbers low to learn while keeping quality". But no, you basically said **** you, only 10 pieces, we will proceed to use hype tactics to sell this product which not only tells us you are a douchebag but also points towards the fact you don't trust your product. You might want to clarify the reason for that, but my money is on it's simply not a good product.
The use of "influencers" and "hype" is something that is making this community grow larger and we love that, but that use has its downsides. The most glaring of them being, it's very easy to hype up a horrible product and selling hundreds of it in a single build stream whilst destroying the reputation of a good one that simply didn't attend to the streamer's particular likings -- not to the streamer's fault, but to the audience's that understands a "I would have the top bezel smaller" as a "THIS IS LITERALLY HORRIBLE. DONT BUY THIS". This has a very bad consequence in this hobby because we are losing objectivity in what is a good keyboard or keyset or artisan, and instead we are shaping the hobby more towards "what is prettier and has better hype". This has a double negative effect: on the community side, it has generated a downwards spiral of flipping and over-hyping that has made aftermarket nearly impossible to get into, constraining people into either getting at GB, paying three times the price after they are delivered, or simply enver getting the keyboard they want. What if I don't want to pay 2k USD for a good 65% keyboard? From a designer's perspective, the fact the community is enabling bad designers by buying their objectively bad but hyped keyboards while willing to pay hideous amounts of money in the aftermarket for the very same bad-but-hyped products make good-intentioned and community-invested designers to either stop designing, keep putting out the same stuff over and over, or simply having their interest dwindle. And all of this has made the community overly competitive and toxic because people are frustrated. Also because people are a-holes in the interwebz.
Not only that, your sentence sounds gatekeepy, elitist and we don't want this here. If you want exclusivity for the sake of exclusivity, get the crap out and never come back. We want people to have nice keyboards. Having open-sourced my stuff and tried out of my heart to popularize keyboard design and make it more accessible to aspiring designers, this sentence offends me personally.
Keyboard design is serious business. It is very technical, intricate and takes a lot of practice and skill honing to get right; let alone make a hallmark product. ai03, Upas, Hiney, TGR, all have been designing keyboards for years before landing the products they have. Some of these designers are higher-educated in engineering or computer science and design products this professionally. They order prototypes even before the IC and sometimes revamp the whole thing just because of feedback; take Sagittarius for example. Not only that, many of these designers were beaten out of existence because they at some point slipped with our community. This that you are doing is outright disrespect and we will not take it.
Final thoughts
Don't buy this. This is totally wrong, this post should be re-written and we should combat this mentality that pretty=good.Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484757042226135050/781968278083207188/ezgif-4-d4cbdee39552.gif)
EDITs: corrections and minor addittions
160.
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
nice.160.
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
160.
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
160.
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
Nicenice.160.
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
nice.160.
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
oh **** they're onto me
I apologize for the threshold I set, or I can accept the top 10 purchase order, I wonder what you think? I don't respond too much to questions that aren't about the product itself or that he's just looking for an emotional outlet for it, but ultimately I just want to make the best of it(Attachment Link)
Welp I don't have 200 GH posts, and for this reason I'm out.
LMAO I CAN BUY THIS BOARD BUT TAEHA CAN'T
post count is a fake metric
Nicenice.160.
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
nice.160.Sorry again, I set the wrong threshold, I will fix the rules
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
oh **** they're onto me
e: page snipe! double nice.
tfw just the quote. nicenice.160.Sorry again, I set the wrong threshold, I will fix the rules
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
oh **** they're onto me
e: page snipe! double nice.
This group purchase is limited 10pcs, YouTube&Twitch fans more than 1000, Geek post more than 200 or have other forums post experience priority to buy .
How about no?
Edit: Let me be more eloquent. If you need "influencers" to sell your product for you, then you need to make a better product or advertise it better. I think this kind of elitest, gatekeep-y bull**** of only selling your product to influencers needs to stay far away from this hobby.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jaC81cX.png)
If I'm very active in a different forum can I have one
Yes, I'm sorry that I set a wrong threshold. In fact, My original intention was that I could get more advice from someone with more experience than Me. It was my carelessnessnice.160.
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
oh **** they're onto me
e: page snipe! double nice.
(Attachment Link)Hi Taeha,
Welp I don't have 200 GH posts, and for this reason I'm out.
I apologize for the threshold I set, or I can accept the top 10 purchase order, I wonder what you think? I don't respond too much to questions that aren't about the product itself or that he's just looking for an emotional outlet for it, but ultimately I just want to make the best of it(Attachment Link)
Welp I don't have 200 GH posts, and for this reason I'm out.
LMAO I CAN BUY THIS BOARD BUT TAEHA CAN'T
post count is a fake metric
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jaC81cX.png)
If I'm very active in a different forum can I have oneYes, I'm sorry that I set a wrong threshold. In fact, My original intention was that I could get more advice from someone with more experience than Me. It was my carelessnessnice.160.
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
oh **** they're onto me
e: page snipe! double nice.
I apologize for the threshold I set, or I can accept the top 10 purchase order, I wonder what you think? I don't respond too much to questions that aren't about the product itself or that he's just looking for an emotional outlet for it, but ultimately I just want to make the best of it(Attachment Link)
Welp I don't have 200 GH posts, and for this reason I'm out.
LMAO I CAN BUY THIS BOARD BUT TAEHA CAN'T
post count is a fake metric
Are you suggesting a Vickrey?
The advice I want to get may only be whether you agree with the case. It would be better if you could give me some advice on layout. In return, the price of this group purchase will be lower, and the goods will be delivered quicklyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/jaC81cX.png)
If I'm very active in a different forum can I have oneYes, I'm sorry that I set a wrong threshold. In fact, My original intention was that I could get more advice from someone with more experience than Me. It was my carelessnessnice.160.
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
oh **** they're onto me
e: page snipe! double nice.
wait, so let me get this straight:
You want someone to pay you for a board so that they can give you advice about its design?
How much is that advice worth to you? Maybe just build a prototype and send it to someone who can advise you.
nice.The advice I want to get may only be whether you agree with the case. It would be better if you could give me some advice on layout. In return, the price of this group purchase will be lower, and the goods will be delivered quicklyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/jaC81cX.png)
If I'm very active in a different forum can I have oneYes, I'm sorry that I set a wrong threshold. In fact, My original intention was that I could get more advice from someone with more experience than Me. It was my carelessnessnice.160.
nope. Can't do it. Too hard.
GLWIC
It's okay, just go quote replies and add "nice." in other threads
oh **** they're onto me
e: page snipe! double nice.
wait, so let me get this straight:
You want someone to pay you for a board so that they can give you advice about its design?
How much is that advice worth to you? Maybe just build a prototype and send it to someone who can advise you.
1 I'm only going to do 10 set, so this 10 set is actually protype. In order to ensure quality, first we have done enough structural and functional tests, second we will make about 20 set and then pick the best 10 set from these 20 set. If it doesn't meet our expectations, we will do it againalright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.
what am I buying?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NjZdyYo.png)
RIP
Fine... I'll let you have one, but I'm buying the other 9 /s
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Though undeserved, let's give OP the benefit of the doubt:
1. could you explain the reason(s) for going for a 3D prototype? why not the actual product? is this the first proto?
2. where is the double gasket?
3. what is the thicker mid piece between the plate and the PCB?
4. the weight is PVD coated but it looks brushed in the renders?
5. what makes you think influencers are interested?
6. you mention "us" and "our", so there was a team that worked on this project and agreed it was ready to go to IC phase?
1 I'm only going to do 10 set, so this 10 set is actually protype. In order to ensure quality, first we have done enough structural and functional tests, second we will make about 20 set and then pick the best 10 set from these 20 set. If it doesn't meet our expectations, we will do it again
I'm sorry for the bad experience. I have corrected the relevant purchase rules, and we are also thinking about whether there is a better ruleI'm sure I'm beating a dead horse here, but:
What makes someone with more than 1000 followers (or more than 200 posts) more worthy than others to own this board? I can almost see the argument 'Someone with more Geekhack posts would likely be more experienced with customs and thus more able to appreciate the nuance of this custom'. I don't agree with this metric, nor that this makes someone more 'worthy' of a board, but I could at least connect the dots.
But having 1000+ followers doesn't... say anything about experience other than that the person is able to produce good content and possibly build hype. There is no benefit (that I can see) to selling this specific board to enthusiasts with more followers. If the purpose is to ensure exposure and therefore sales, there are only 10 units. It was highly likely that your board was going to be bought. The only thing we could achieve is bloating after-market value, to no advantage to you. If the purpose is only for the hype, hype will build as long as the exclusive board feels somewhat attainable, and at 10 units, hype has very little space to build.
I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve.
Agreed, how does # of Geekhack posts gauge experience? I rarely comment here and only recently started doing so, but have been in the hobby for 2 years now...
It seems like you haven't been in the hobby long enough since your knowledge of how group buys work seems very limited. You and your 'team' need to come up with the money to prototype then run a GB where you recuperate the prototyping costs by factoring it into the price of the board. If you can't cover the cost of prototyping, then you really shouldn't be designing to begin with. The point of GBs is that you are paying for a finished product. This is sounding like the keyboard equivalent of early access.1 I'm only going to do 10 set, so this 10 set is actually protype. In order to ensure quality, first we have done enough structural and functional tests, second we will make about 20 set and then pick the best 10 set from these 20 set. If it doesn't meet our expectations, we will do it againalright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.
what am I buying?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NjZdyYo.png)
RIP
Fine... I'll let you have one, but I'm buying the other 9 /s
--
Though undeserved, let's give OP the benefit of the doubt:
1. could you explain the reason(s) for going for a 3D prototype? why not the actual product? is this the first proto?
2. where is the double gasket?
3. what is the thicker mid piece between the plate and the PCB?
4. the weight is PVD coated but it looks brushed in the renders?
5. what makes you think influencers are interested?
6. you mention "us" and "our", so there was a team that worked on this project and agreed it was ready to go to IC phase?
2 Later, I will update a picture, which seems to be more explanatory. In words, we have also completed the gasket structure under the option of "No plate"
3 Do you mean EVA？
4 Brush first, then transparent PVD plating
5 That was a mistake. I'm sorry
6 We have a whole team that can work on this product
Oh buddy... If you need feedback on your keyboard, charging people hundreds of dollars isn't the right way.Hello guys, thanks for the advice, although harassing Taeha doesn't look good
Either spam Taehas chat until Zambumon bans you (also works with Blacksimon ;)) or do what everyone else does:
Get an actual prototype done (not some 3D-printed garbage) and contact <insert twitch streamer> with an offer.
In fact, the cost we have to pay now may be much higher than that of making a CNC ProType first. Then we will see the demand of the willing party, and we really need it. We can make CNC Protype first, but the delivery time will be extended by about a weekIt seems like you haven't been in the hobby long enough since your knowledge of how group buys work seems very limited. You and your 'team' need to come up with the money to prototype then run a GB where you recuperate the prototyping costs by factoring it into the price of the board. If you can't cover the cost of prototyping, then you really shouldn't be designing to begin with. The point of GBs is that you are paying for a finished product. This is sounding like the keyboard equivalent of early access.1 I'm only going to do 10 set, so this 10 set is actually protype. In order to ensure quality, first we have done enough structural and functional tests, second we will make about 20 set and then pick the best 10 set from these 20 set. If it doesn't meet our expectations, we will do it againalright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.
what am I buying?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NjZdyYo.png)
RIP
Fine... I'll let you have one, but I'm buying the other 9 /s
--
Though undeserved, let's give OP the benefit of the doubt:
1. could you explain the reason(s) for going for a 3D prototype? why not the actual product? is this the first proto?
2. where is the double gasket?
3. what is the thicker mid piece between the plate and the PCB?
4. the weight is PVD coated but it looks brushed in the renders?
5. what makes you think influencers are interested?
6. you mention "us" and "our", so there was a team that worked on this project and agreed it was ready to go to IC phase?
2 Later, I will update a picture, which seems to be more explanatory. In words, we have also completed the gasket structure under the option of "No plate"
3 Do you mean EVA？
4 Brush first, then transparent PVD plating
5 That was a mistake. I'm sorry
6 We have a whole team that can work on this product
No one wants to pay to test your product. Get the CNC prototype made, and if you want feedback, send it to influencers or whomever. You shouldn't be trying to run a group purchase until the design is finalized.In fact, the cost we have to pay now may be much higher than that of making a CNC ProType first. Then we will see the demand of the willing party, and we really need it. We can make CNC Protype first, but the delivery time will be extended by about a weekIt seems like you haven't been in the hobby long enough since your knowledge of how group buys work seems very limited. You and your 'team' need to come up with the money to prototype then run a GB where you recuperate the prototyping costs by factoring it into the price of the board. If you can't cover the cost of prototyping, then you really shouldn't be designing to begin with. The point of GBs is that you are paying for a finished product. This is sounding like the keyboard equivalent of early access.1 I'm only going to do 10 set, so this 10 set is actually protype. In order to ensure quality, first we have done enough structural and functional tests, second we will make about 20 set and then pick the best 10 set from these 20 set. If it doesn't meet our expectations, we will do it againalright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.
what am I buying?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NjZdyYo.png)
RIP
Fine... I'll let you have one, but I'm buying the other 9 /s
--
Though undeserved, let's give OP the benefit of the doubt:
1. could you explain the reason(s) for going for a 3D prototype? why not the actual product? is this the first proto?
2. where is the double gasket?
3. what is the thicker mid piece between the plate and the PCB?
4. the weight is PVD coated but it looks brushed in the renders?
5. what makes you think influencers are interested?
6. you mention "us" and "our", so there was a team that worked on this project and agreed it was ready to go to IC phase?
2 Later, I will update a picture, which seems to be more explanatory. In words, we have also completed the gasket structure under the option of "No plate"
3 Do you mean EVA？
4 Brush first, then transparent PVD plating
5 That was a mistake. I'm sorry
6 We have a whole team that can work on this product
Oh buddy... If you need feedback on your keyboard, charging people hundreds of dollars isn't the right way.Hello guys, thanks for the advice, although harassing Taeha doesn't look good
Either spam Taehas chat until Zambumon bans you (also works with Blacksimon ;)) or do what everyone else does:
Get an actual prototype done (not some 3D-printed garbage) and contact <insert twitch streamer> with an offer.
Ok, thanks again for your suggestion, we may make the product directly, and then sell itNo one wants to pay to test your product. Get the CNC prototype made, and if you want feedback, send it to influencers or whomever. You shouldn't be trying to run a group purchase until the design is finalized.In fact, the cost we have to pay now may be much higher than that of making a CNC ProType first. Then we will see the demand of the willing party, and we really need it. We can make CNC Protype first, but the delivery time will be extended by about a weekIt seems like you haven't been in the hobby long enough since your knowledge of how group buys work seems very limited. You and your 'team' need to come up with the money to prototype then run a GB where you recuperate the prototyping costs by factoring it into the price of the board. If you can't cover the cost of prototyping, then you really shouldn't be designing to begin with. The point of GBs is that you are paying for a finished product. This is sounding like the keyboard equivalent of early access.1 I'm only going to do 10 set, so this 10 set is actually protype. In order to ensure quality, first we have done enough structural and functional tests, second we will make about 20 set and then pick the best 10 set from these 20 set. If it doesn't meet our expectations, we will do it againalright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.
what am I buying?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NjZdyYo.png)
RIP
Fine... I'll let you have one, but I'm buying the other 9 /s
--
Though undeserved, let's give OP the benefit of the doubt:
1. could you explain the reason(s) for going for a 3D prototype? why not the actual product? is this the first proto?
2. where is the double gasket?
3. what is the thicker mid piece between the plate and the PCB?
4. the weight is PVD coated but it looks brushed in the renders?
5. what makes you think influencers are interested?
6. you mention "us" and "our", so there was a team that worked on this project and agreed it was ready to go to IC phase?
2 Later, I will update a picture, which seems to be more explanatory. In words, we have also completed the gasket structure under the option of "No plate"
3 Do you mean EVA？
4 Brush first, then transparent PVD plating
5 That was a mistake. I'm sorry
6 We have a whole team that can work on this product
"This group purchase is limited 10pcs,The first 10 people who place an order can get it. Of course, we will refund orders that cannot be shipped."Well, ok, or we could set up a link for 10 people only
Do you intend on taking peoples money and only fulfilling 10 orders? Why not accept only 10 orders from the start?
"This group purchase is limited 10pcs,The first 10 people who place an order can get it. Of course, we will refund orders that cannot be shipped."Well, ok, or we could set up a link for 10 people only
Do you intend on taking peoples money and only fulfilling 10 orders? Why not accept only 10 orders from the start?
Yes, I am a new member of the group, but there is no lack of ability to design and build. I am going to elaborate on this dual gasket structure, and thank you to all the people who have given me advice. I will not make mistakes twice"This group purchase is limited 10pcs,The first 10 people who place an order can get it. Of course, we will refund orders that cannot be shipped."Well, ok, or we could set up a link for 10 people only
Do you intend on taking peoples money and only fulfilling 10 orders? Why not accept only 10 orders from the start?
I think you should research how other people do group buys for boards or speak to some people in the hobby who can provide some wisdom. It's clear you don't know how to run one
Ok, thanks again for your suggestion, we may make the product directly, and then sell itNo one wants to pay to test your product. Get the CNC prototype made, and if you want feedback, send it to influencers or whomever. You shouldn't be trying to run a group purchase until the design is finalized.In fact, the cost we have to pay now may be much higher than that of making a CNC ProType first. Then we will see the demand of the willing party, and we really need it. We can make CNC Protype first, but the delivery time will be extended by about a weekIt seems like you haven't been in the hobby long enough since your knowledge of how group buys work seems very limited. You and your 'team' need to come up with the money to prototype then run a GB where you recuperate the prototyping costs by factoring it into the price of the board. If you can't cover the cost of prototyping, then you really shouldn't be designing to begin with. The point of GBs is that you are paying for a finished product. This is sounding like the keyboard equivalent of early access.1 I'm only going to do 10 set, so this 10 set is actually protype. In order to ensure quality, first we have done enough structural and functional tests, second we will make about 20 set and then pick the best 10 set from these 20 set. If it doesn't meet our expectations, we will do it againalright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.
what am I buying?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NjZdyYo.png)
RIP
Fine... I'll let you have one, but I'm buying the other 9 /s
--
Though undeserved, let's give OP the benefit of the doubt:
1. could you explain the reason(s) for going for a 3D prototype? why not the actual product? is this the first proto?
2. where is the double gasket?
3. what is the thicker mid piece between the plate and the PCB?
4. the weight is PVD coated but it looks brushed in the renders?
5. what makes you think influencers are interested?
6. you mention "us" and "our", so there was a team that worked on this project and agreed it was ready to go to IC phase?
2 Later, I will update a picture, which seems to be more explanatory. In words, we have also completed the gasket structure under the option of "No plate"
3 Do you mean EVA？
4 Brush first, then transparent PVD plating
5 That was a mistake. I'm sorry
6 We have a whole team that can work on this product
1 I'm only going to do 10 set, so this 10 set is actually protype. In order to ensure quality, first we have done enough structural and functional tests, second we will make about 20 set and then pick the best 10 set from these 20 set. If it doesn't meet our expectations, we will do it againalright you've convinced me - I'll buy 10.
what am I buying?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NjZdyYo.png)
RIP
Fine... I'll let you have one, but I'm buying the other 9 /s
--
Though undeserved, let's give OP the benefit of the doubt:
1. could you explain the reason(s) for going for a 3D prototype? why not the actual product? is this the first proto?
2. where is the double gasket?
3. what is the thicker mid piece between the plate and the PCB?
4. the weight is PVD coated but it looks brushed in the renders?
5. what makes you think influencers are interested?
6. you mention "us" and "our", so there was a team that worked on this project and agreed it was ready to go to IC phase?
Oh man, does that mean I’m not qualified to own my Dalco 959 mini. I don’t have a lot of posts on geekhack or reddit. 😢dw ill buy it from you for $4 :D
Oh man, does that mean I’m not qualified to own my Dalco 959 mini. I don’t have a lot of posts on geekhack or reddit. 😢dw ill buy it from you for $4 :D
> Complain about the business tactics of an IC while pooping
> Take a shower and go to sleep
> Next day tens of messages of "I agree with you" and "you are my hero" and "true brother, true", master troll puddsy agrees with me (senpai has noticed me) and the post has blown up
> "What have I done"
What I got out of this is the follow:
10 units, now FCFS
These 10 units are prototypes
Most people ask friends if they want the board and do a private GB first (as a way of testing the manu, the design, etc.) in return they can offer advice or even revisions.
I don't want to assume you don't have friends but anyone remotely interested in this board should definitely not get this.
Edit: now I don't really design keyboards nor am I going to armchair designer, but you could always get a one off.