Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:35:43
Geekhackers V3 Lube will also be offered with this GB! If you're an enthusiast that strives for 100% in everything, then I highly suggest you pick some lube with your switch order!
***Please order in multiples of 10 to make my life easier. Thank you!***
Zealio switches will come in 6 variants
- 62g - Linear (Clear stem)
- 65g - Linear (Clear stem)
- 67g - Linear (Clear stem)
- 62g - Tactile (Purple ergo-clear stem)
- 65g - Tactile (Purple ergo-clear stem)
- 67g - Tactile (Purple ergo-clear stem)
Please make sure to read up on the different tactile weights in the reviews below! These switches are not to be directly compared to ErgoClears! Due to the smoother sliders, the weights may feel a bit "lighter".
Price per switch is $0.75 USD. Once I receive the package, Price will retail @ $1/switch.
4% "Tax" will be added to your order to cover PayPal & handling fees.
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If you haven't been keeping up with the latest news, have a read here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69590.0) and on KeyChatter (https://www.keychatter.com/2015/08/19/review-project-zealio-switches/)!
Reviews:
Review by livingspeedbump (https://www.keychatter.com/2015/08/19/review-project-zealio-switches)
Review by CPTBadAss (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69590.msg1839011#msg1839011)
Review by jdcarpe (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69590.msg1842262#msg1842262)
Review by me (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69590.msg1842318#msg1842318)
(more to come later)
As a thank you to the supporters of this project, I'll be giving away 1 Zealio themed BINGECAP (still in original bubble mailer!) to 10 lucky purchasers! Make sure to tick the check-box on the order form!
(http://puu.sh/jOkOr/808437ac2f.png)
*If the site does not automatically provide you with shipping details at checkout, please send me an email and indicate where you're from and how many switches you'd like to purchase. (Mostly for orders outside of USA & Canada over 1kg).
Orders Close September 30, 2015 at 11:59:59pm PST!
Add the Zealio switch signature to your profile HERE! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1853925#msg1853925)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:50:49
So excited for this group buy.
/me orders all of the switches
Post by: kampongkid on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:53:18
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:54:12
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:56:51
Ordered 100.
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:59:22
I have a little over a month to decide if I want it to be my QFR or KUL...
Post by: Data on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:10:54
Edit: Canada shipping rates suck so bad... :(
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:25:22
Post by: njbair on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:28:32
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:33:24
Post by: romevi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:33:29
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:36:39
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:39:16
When is the approximate ETA for these if we join the buy?
Quote from: http://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders/products/zealio
Please note: This is a pre-order/group buy. Orders will close on September 30, 2015 11:59:59pm PST. Expected manufacturing & shipping time to Zeal PC: 1 business week.
Shipping from Zeal PC to customers will be based on a first-to-order basis. Projected packing time is 1-2 weeks. Shipping will be via DHL Express (1-3 business days worldwide*) or Canada Post Small Packet Air (no tracking, items under 250g) to addresses outside of USA. Canadian orders will be shipped via Canada Post Expedited Parcel/Xpresspost.[/]
Post by: Invaderevan on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:43:45
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:48:54
Post by: geniekid on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:52:14
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:04:06
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:19:47
Post by: filphil on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:20:19
Post by: mbrown559 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:37:09
Post by: uJalled on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:39:03
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:44:24
Are there limited quantities to any of these offerings? I'll have to save up a bit so I'll be ordering mid september.
No. There is no limit on order quantity.
Totally want to join this buy. Is there a date that this ends? Just got slammed with a hospital bill that I need to pay before I can spend more on my keyboard hobby, but can't miss out on grabbing some of these.
GB ends on Sept 30th.
Post by: mbrown559 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:46:22
Are there limited quantities to any of these offerings? I'll have to save up a bit so I'll be ordering mid september.
No. There is no limit on order quantity.Totally want to join this buy. Is there a date that this ends? Just got slammed with a hospital bill that I need to pay before I can spend more on my keyboard hobby, but can't miss out on grabbing some of these.
GB ends on Sept 30th.
Thanks for the response and for making this happen Zeal!!! #Hype
Post by: Elth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:49:19
Aaaand ordered, RIP wallet :-[
Just need the Mira GB to start for double RIP wallet
Post by: joey on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:52:50
RIP wallet. Just placed my order.Go on, tell us the damage..
Post by: wilarseny on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:04:50
Thinking about getting these for my first full custom, and am intrigued by the option of RGB leds. But the switch accepting the RGB leds doesn't mean they'd work with whatever PCB/controller/etc, right? Might just order these anyway, but am curious whether the RGB led thing is going to matter outside of putting these on a board that already supports them. Am I way off base?
Post by: rainb1ood on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:12:24
Post by: ika on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:30:20
Sorry to clutter the thread with noob questions, but:
Thinking about getting these for my first full custom, and am intrigued by the option of RGB leds. But the switch accepting the RGB leds doesn't mean they'd work with whatever PCB/controller/etc, right? Might just order these anyway, but am curious whether the RGB led thing is going to matter outside of putting these on a board that already supports them. Am I way off base?
Currently there aren't any custom PCBs that allow for RGB LED control, AFAIK. Zeal has said he was working on them, but I don't think there was a time frame, so it could be a ways off.
Post by: Data on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:48:21
Just to add to this, the switches will still work fine with single color LEDs. If your PCB has bottom-mount RGB LEDs you'll probably get some decent shine through the switch, depending on the case design and how the LEDs are mounted.Sorry to clutter the thread with noob questions, but:
Thinking about getting these for my first full custom, and am intrigued by the option of RGB leds. But the switch accepting the RGB leds doesn't mean they'd work with whatever PCB/controller/etc, right? Might just order these anyway, but am curious whether the RGB led thing is going to matter outside of putting these on a board that already supports them. Am I way off base?
Currently there aren't any custom PCBs that allow for RGB LED control, AFAIK. Zeal has said he was working on them, but I don't think there was a time frame, so it could be a ways off.
Post by: Vintage on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:50:12
I guess it's a value add with the clear tops already included though.
Would get some to try but I already have an excess of tactile greys :p Wallethack
Post by: swill on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:12:53
Post by: donpark on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:15:49
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:26:50
Just kidding.
Post by: strict on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:32:55
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:41:45
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:43:15
Post by: inanis on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:49:55
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:55:01
If I liked MX Browns and MX Clears, but sometimes found clears a little too heavy, and browns a little too light, which of these if any would be in between these two?
I think the 62g would be your best bet.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:56:49
If I liked MX Browns and MX Clears, but sometimes found clears a little too heavy, and browns a little too light, which of these if any would be in between these two?
62g or 65g. 62g would be closer to browns, and 65g closer to Clears in tactile feel.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:01:23
P8250079 (https://flic.kr/p/xwVVuw) by CPT BadAss (https://www.flickr.com/photos/cptbadass/), on Flickr
Be@rbrick helping me out in the lab. A proper Zealio review from me coming soon. Preview: I love the stock 65g Zealio and will be ordering those.
Post by: potatowire on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:08:40
Post by: quake4mhg on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:09:33
Annnd ... could we vancouverites pick it up to save shipping money to buy more switch? :D
Post by: ika on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:15:48
I'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
reading the reviews it sounded like 65g was the sweet spot in comparison to Ergo Clears @ 62g, due to the smoothness of Gateron.
I think I have a broken memory, because I thought I read these springs were sourced from Sprit, but I can't find that anywhere. Are these Gateron springs or are they from another source? I already have 65g gold plated Sprit springs so I went with 62g and 67g and could switch (hue hue) if necessary.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:17:05
I'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
Just order both :cool:
Post by: swill on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:21:47
I'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
reading the reviews it sounded like 65g was the sweet spot in comparison to Ergo Clears @ 62g, due to the smoothness of Gateron.
I think I have a broken memory, because I thought I read these springs were sourced from Sprit, but I can't find that anywhere. Are these Gateron springs or are they from another source? I already have 65g gold plated Sprit springs so I went with 62g and 67g and could switch (hue hue) if necessary.
I have found 65g to be the sweet spot for me.
Last I knew, Zeal sourced his springs from Sprit and then got springs manufactured to match Sprits springs. I could be wrong, but that is what I heard...
Post by: mrflow3r on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:22:34
#notetomyself
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:32:29
Could you make a closeup disassemble picture of both linear/tactile switches? I would like to see the stems. Thanks!Will PM for local pickup info. Stem pics will come soon.
Annnd ... could we vancouverites pick it up to save shipping money to buy more switch? :D
I'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
reading the reviews it sounded like 65g was the sweet spot in comparison to Ergo Clears @ 62g, due to the smoothness of Gateron.
I think I have a broken memory, because I thought I read these springs were sourced from Sprit, but I can't find that anywhere. Are these Gateron springs or are they from another source? I already have 65g gold plated Sprit springs so I went with 62g and 67g and could switch (hue hue) if necessary.
I have found 65g to be the sweet spot for me.
Last I knew, Zeal sourced his springs from Sprit and then got springs manufactured to match Sprits springs. I could be wrong, but that is what I heard...
I used to resell sprit springs. The current gold plated springs found in Zealios are tweaked to my spec, modified and/or new, such as the 67g weight. None of them have the same coil ratio/length as sprit's.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:36:17
Could you make a closeup disassemble picture of both linear/tactile switches? I would like to see the stems. Thanks!Will PM for local pickup info. Stem pics will come soon.
Annnd ... could we vancouverites pick it up to save shipping money to buy more switch? :DI'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
reading the reviews it sounded like 65g was the sweet spot in comparison to Ergo Clears @ 62g, due to the smoothness of Gateron.
I think I have a broken memory, because I thought I read these springs were sourced from Sprit, but I can't find that anywhere. Are these Gateron springs or are they from another source? I already have 65g gold plated Sprit springs so I went with 62g and 67g and could switch (hue hue) if necessary.
I have found 65g to be the sweet spot for me.
Last I knew, Zeal sourced his springs from Sprit and then got springs manufactured to match Sprits springs. I could be wrong, but that is what I heard...
I used to resell sprit springs. The current gold plated springs found in Zealios are tweaked to my spec, modified and/or new, such as the 67g weight. None of them have the same coil ratio/length as sprit's.
SO they're just slightly different? Or does this mean i need to buy all three weights? haha
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:37:04
Could you make a closeup disassemble picture of both linear/tactile switches? I would like to see the stems. Thanks!Will PM for local pickup info. Stem pics will come soon.
Annnd ... could we vancouverites pick it up to save shipping money to buy more switch? :DI'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
reading the reviews it sounded like 65g was the sweet spot in comparison to Ergo Clears @ 62g, due to the smoothness of Gateron.
I think I have a broken memory, because I thought I read these springs were sourced from Sprit, but I can't find that anywhere. Are these Gateron springs or are they from another source? I already have 65g gold plated Sprit springs so I went with 62g and 67g and could switch (hue hue) if necessary.
I have found 65g to be the sweet spot for me.
Last I knew, Zeal sourced his springs from Sprit and then got springs manufactured to match Sprits springs. I could be wrong, but that is what I heard...
I used to resell sprit springs. The current gold plated springs found in Zealios are tweaked to my spec, modified and/or new, such as the 67g weight. None of them have the same coil ratio/length as sprit's.
SO they're just slightly different? Or does this mean i need to buy all three weights? haha
They're slightly different. 67g is sort of a "new" weight.
Post by: potatowire on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:44:53
Post by: SuperBo on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:45:36
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:13:22
Post by: swill on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:30:03
You used sprit springs as your weight comparison though right? Your springs will basically match sprits equivalent springs.Could you make a closeup disassemble picture of both linear/tactile switches? I would like to see the stems. Thanks!Will PM for local pickup info. Stem pics will come soon.
Annnd ... could we vancouverites pick it up to save shipping money to buy more switch? :DI'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
reading the reviews it sounded like 65g was the sweet spot in comparison to Ergo Clears @ 62g, due to the smoothness of Gateron.
I think I have a broken memory, because I thought I read these springs were sourced from Sprit, but I can't find that anywhere. Are these Gateron springs or are they from another source? I already have 65g gold plated Sprit springs so I went with 62g and 67g and could switch (hue hue) if necessary.
I have found 65g to be the sweet spot for me.
Last I knew, Zeal sourced his springs from Sprit and then got springs manufactured to match Sprits springs. I could be wrong, but that is what I heard...
I used to resell sprit springs. The current gold plated springs found in Zealios are tweaked to my spec, modified and/or new, such as the 67g weight. None of them have the same coil ratio/length as sprit's.
Post by: jerue on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:34:15
Though, I only need 62...guess I'll figure out what to do with the other 38. I ordered more than needed as I learned my lesson with the sadster GB...
Can't wait for these. Almost bought a cable alongside this purchase but you were out of purple paracords Zeal :(
Post by: njbair on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:34:44
If I liked MX Browns and MX Clears, but sometimes found clears a little too heavy, and browns a little too light, which of these if any would be in between these two?
62g or 65g. 62g would be closer to browns, and 65g closer to Clears in tactile feel.
Sometimes, though, a smoother switch feels "lighter" so that's something to consider. I would probably lean towards the 65g.
Post by: ImBZppl on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:37:02
Post by: romevi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:49:53
I am going to need to wait till the last moment to join in on this. My wallet is giving me the silent treatment. (Actually my finances are in good shape I just need to practice some discipline and resist.)That's honorable. I'm doing the same, though I may wait anyway and do the Mira bundle.
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 22:03:53
Edit: will these be made available separately/specifically with the Mira GB, for those that have a slot?
Post by: ika on Tue, 25 August 2015, 22:06:10
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 22:07:30
Are you only offering overnight shipping? For my area (VA, U.S.), the shipping options are overnight 10am, overnight noon, or overnight end of day and that's it.... am I just not hyped and serious enough for this buy??
Edit: will these be made available separately/specifically with the Mira GB, for those that have a slot?
Quoted from my Vendor forum:
To everyone asking for a cheaper USA shipping method: There's only Canada Post Tracked Packet USA (4-10 business days), and it costs a mere $1-2 less. Canada Post doesn't have the low prices you guys have in the states. Good thing is overnight shipping is well worth it, trust me. ;)
For the majority of people, by end of day should be default. The guaranteed time sensitive deliveries may not be available for all parts of the state.
Zealios will be available for Mira, though I can't 100% guarantee that you'll be able to select your desired amount of switches (so it might just be a static drop down menu with 90/100 switches). There's some limitations in the back-end that may prevent me from being able to do that neatly.
Post by: Coconut on Tue, 25 August 2015, 22:10:38
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/774/20697075570_2f8a0c9c22.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/xwVVuw)
P8250079 (https://flic.kr/p/xwVVuw) by CPT BadAss (https://www.flickr.com/photos/cptbadass/), on Flickr
Be@rbrick helping me out in the lab. A proper Zealio review from me coming soon. Preview: I love the stock 65g Zealio and will be ordering those.
I love this photo anson <3
I can definitly see your personality and style shining thru this photo
colorful and fashionable
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Post by: jackiecanev2 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 22:13:12
Are you only offering overnight shipping? For my area (VA, U.S.), the shipping options are overnight 10am, overnight noon, or overnight end of day and that's it.... am I just not hyped and serious enough for this buy??
Edit: will these be made available separately/specifically with the Mira GB, for those that have a slot?
Quoted from my Vendor forum:To everyone asking for a cheaper USA shipping method: There's only Canada Post Tracked Packet USA (4-10 business days), and it costs a mere $1-2 less. Canada Post doesn't have the low prices you guys have in the states. Good thing is overnight shipping is well worth it, trust me. ;)
Zealios will be available for Mira, though I can't 100% guarantee that you'll be able to select your desired amount of switches (so it might just be a static drop down menu with 90/100 switches). There's some limitations in the back-end that may prevent me from being able to do that neatly.
I just went back and read that on the zealpc does overnight DHL in general. I've never ordered from zeal, so this is a first for me. Mea culpa.
Would it be more or less prudent to buy now and have it ship separately, or have it shipped to DrHubble along with gold stabs/etc, especially for those who want full assembly (which isn't me, but I'm sure it's going to come up)...
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 22:15:44
Are you only offering overnight shipping? For my area (VA, U.S.), the shipping options are overnight 10am, overnight noon, or overnight end of day and that's it.... am I just not hyped and serious enough for this buy??
Edit: will these be made available separately/specifically with the Mira GB, for those that have a slot?
Quoted from my Vendor forum:To everyone asking for a cheaper USA shipping method: There's only Canada Post Tracked Packet USA (4-10 business days), and it costs a mere $1-2 less. Canada Post doesn't have the low prices you guys have in the states. Good thing is overnight shipping is well worth it, trust me. ;)
Zealios will be available for Mira, though I can't 100% guarantee that you'll be able to select your desired amount of switches (so it might just be a static drop down menu with 90/100 switches). There's some limitations in the back-end that may prevent me from being able to do that neatly.
I just went back and read that on the zealpc does overnight DHL in general. I've never ordered from zeal, so this is a first for me. Mea culpa.
Would it be more or less prudent to buy now and have it ship separately, or have it shipped to DrHubble along with gold stabs/etc, especially for those who want full assembly (which isn't me, but I'm sure it's going to come up)...
I'd say for buyers that want a head start with lubing their switches, then they should have the switches shipped separately. If your only plan is to drop 90 switches into the Mira, then you can wait for the Mira GB form.
Would a US proxy be cheaper? Not sure how DHL Express scales, but packages under 13 oz can be sent via First Class for like $3. Priority Mail under 1lb will be $6 or less. I'm guessing the majority of buyers will be from the US, so it could be worth looking into.
Call it silly if you will, but as this is the first community developed switch, I'd like to make each package a bit more personal ;) Plus, I wouldn't want to have another person have to sort through and pack all the USA switches. I also have my own QC in place, but wouldn't be able to watch over the proxy's. If a product is shipping out with my Vendor name on it, I'd like to be able to control it to the best I can. Hopefully you can understand from my point of view.
Post by: ika on Tue, 25 August 2015, 22:38:13
Call it silly if you will, but as this is the first community developed switch, I'd like to make each package a bit more personal ;) Plus, I wouldn't want to have another person have to sort through and pack all the USA switches. I also have my own QC in place, but wouldn't be able to watch over the proxy's. If a product is shipping out with my Vendor name on it, I'd like to be able to control it to the best I can. Hopefully you can understand from my point of view.
Completely understand, and I don't fault you at all for that decision. I guess this is a little different from most GBs, being a brand new product as well as a vendor product.
Any word on what these switches will cost after the GB is over and you stock them in your store?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 22:48:21
Call it silly if you will, but as this is the first community developed switch, I'd like to make each package a bit more personal ;) Plus, I wouldn't want to have another person have to sort through and pack all the USA switches. I also have my own QC in place, but wouldn't be able to watch over the proxy's. If a product is shipping out with my Vendor name on it, I'd like to be able to control it to the best I can. Hopefully you can understand from my point of view.
Completely understand, and I don't fault you at all for that decision. I guess this is a little different from most GBs, being a brand new product as well as a vendor product.
Any word on what these switches will cost after the GB is over and you stock them in your store?
That price will depend on how many are ordered, and how many extras I'll have to / will be purchasing.
Post by: jerue on Tue, 25 August 2015, 22:50:58
Call it silly if you will, but as this is the first community developed switch, I'd like to make each package a bit more personal ;)
:O !!
I am going to need to wait till the last moment to join in on this. My wallet is giving me the silent treatment. (Actually my finances are in good shape I just need to practice some discipline and resist.)That's honorable. I'm doing the same, though I may wait anyway and do the Mira bundle.
I *should* be doing the same as well, but I'm impatient and want my switches sooner than later. I also plan to sell my leftover stock MX clears to recover some of the cost from the extras I ordered :)
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 25 August 2015, 23:37:46
Post by: SuperBo on Wed, 26 August 2015, 00:54:18
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 26 August 2015, 01:24:02
Well I doubt this will be the last round, so I will probably buy some in the future :thumb:
Post by: zhihuichan on Wed, 26 August 2015, 02:16:58
Post by: HTN47 on Wed, 26 August 2015, 02:23:28
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 03:06:41
This is really tempting, but 0,75$ per switch is rough.Well, considering MX Clears + Clear tops + customs springs already cost more than the switch before shipping, I'd say the pricing is quite reasonable when you consider the added bonuses. :)
Well I doubt this will be the last round, so I will probably buy some in the future :thumb:
Easier to take off keycaps and smoother than mx clear? That's great! I may order 110?Correct. No tight stem like MX Clears, and smoother too. Yes, you can order 110! If you prefer safe & tracked shipping to China, I'd suggest DHL shipping option.
Damn... I cant decide guys... I'm a fan of linear switches but the hype for those 62g purple.... :-X
Linears are great too. I think the hype is around the 65g/67g tactile purple switches atm. :P
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 26 August 2015, 03:15:19
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 03:17:27
Is there room for a 2x3x4 LED inside these switches? There is in a Cherry switch but that wouldn't let the glow out :))
Yep. The RGB LED gifs in OP were 2x3x4mm. :)
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 26 August 2015, 03:28:06
Is there room for a 2x3x4 LED inside these switches? There is in a Cherry switch but that wouldn't let the glow out :))
Yep. The RGB LED gifs in OP were 2x3x4mm. :)
Damn, guess I'll have to order some! I was going to handwire a 60% and have some LEDs under it (acrylic plate) but I ran out of room so ordered a PCB to just make it work without the glow, but if the LEDs were in the switch it would be even better than my original plan. But I'll need a different PCB with backlight support!
Going to have enough parts for at least two full boards while still not having even made one :-[
Post by: clacktalk on Wed, 26 August 2015, 03:34:37
Post by: andysun on Wed, 26 August 2015, 03:53:09
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
Post by: Sed8op8 on Wed, 26 August 2015, 04:34:22
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$oh **** I choked on my coffee laughing haha perfect gif,....I know I just need to suck it up.Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 26 August 2015, 06:40:13
If I liked MX Browns and MX Clears, but sometimes found clears a little too heavy, and browns a little too light, which of these if any would be in between these two?
62g or 65g. 62g would be closer to browns, and 65g closer to Clears in tactile feel.
Sometimes, though, a smoother switch feels "lighter" so that's something to consider. I would probably lean towards the 65g.
Thanks for the advice :thumb:
Post by: krbuck on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:16:57
What to do... what to do....? :-\
Post by: Dee1 on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:20:25
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:51:45
I just ordered 100. I was hoping to build a JD45 board, but I don't know if I can wait that long!
What to do... what to do....? :-\
Twiddle your thumbs in excitement!
Thanks for supporting the buy. :)
Post by: donpark on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:52:47
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$and i'm here with my $45 shipping. lol. :))Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:55:35
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$and i'm here with my $45 shipping. lol. :))Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
If you can PM me your postal code, city & country, I would be able to get a more accurate DHL quote. I've covered NA & EU shipping quotes, but only a few Asian countries.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:57:28
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Wed, 26 August 2015, 11:21:07
Zealios will be available for Mira, though I can't 100% guarantee that you'll be able to select your desired amount of switches (so it might just be a static drop down menu with 90/100 switches). There's some limitations in the back-end that may prevent me from being able to do that neatly.
If we got over-excited and already ordered a bunch of switches with the intention of putting them in the Mira, will you perhaps have the option to combine shipping with the Mira order once it goes live on your site?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 11:27:39
Zealios will be available for Mira, though I can't 100% guarantee that you'll be able to select your desired amount of switches (so it might just be a static drop down menu with 90/100 switches). There's some limitations in the back-end that may prevent me from being able to do that neatly.
If we got over-excited and already ordered a bunch of switches with the intention of putting them in the Mira, will you perhaps have the option to combine shipping with the Mira order once it goes live on your site?
Send me a PM when it goes live with your order number. I'll have the switches shipped to Hubble for when he packs the Mira boards and adjust shipping.
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Wed, 26 August 2015, 11:47:44
Post by: awhitedev on Wed, 26 August 2015, 12:49:21
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 26 August 2015, 13:05:04
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
It's only $10 shipped for me. **** the tracking.
Also, 75c per switch isn't that much. Bearing in mind the amount of customization that is involved. Custom weights, custom stem colour, clear housing, gold springs.
So you would have to buy a set of gaterons, a set of clears, a set of gold plated springs, and shipping for all three of those things, to get one of these switches. Without the kick-ass purple stems.
It's a good deal.
Post by: animated on Wed, 26 August 2015, 13:43:40
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
It's only $10 shipped for me. **** the tracking.
Also, 75c per switch isn't that much. Bearing in mind the amount of customization that is involved. Custom weights, custom stem colour, clear housing, gold springs.
So you would have to buy a set of gaterons, a set of clears, a set of gold plated springs, and shipping for all three of those things, to get one of these switches. Without the kick-ass purple stems.
It's a good deal.
I literally have 100 gateron clears, 100 clear switch tops, 65 and 62 gold springs from sprit..... but those purple stems!
As someone who enjoys linear, but has never tried ergo clears, I'm very tempted to order some 65g purples from zeal...
Post by: Johan on Wed, 26 August 2015, 14:04:49
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 14:19:05
Bit strapped on cash atm, will there be future buys of this or only via your future stock? and if the later how much of a price increase can i expect?
No timeline has been set for a future buy yet. Price increase at retail will depend on how many extras I'll be ordering.
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 26 August 2015, 17:42:17
I have seen Gateron clear tops but not the bottom. This is a great deal honestly.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
It's only $10 shipped for me. **** the tracking.
Also, 75c per switch isn't that much. Bearing in mind the amount of customization that is involved. Custom weights, custom stem colour, clear housing, gold springs.
So you would have to buy a set of gaterons, a set of clears, a set of gold plated springs, and shipping for all three of those things, to get one of these switches. Without the kick-ass purple stems.
It's a good deal.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 17:46:51
I have seen Gateron clear tops but not the bottom. This is a great deal honestly.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
It's only $10 shipped for me. **** the tracking.
Also, 75c per switch isn't that much. Bearing in mind the amount of customization that is involved. Custom weights, custom stem colour, clear housing, gold springs.
So you would have to buy a set of gaterons, a set of clears, a set of gold plated springs, and shipping for all three of those things, to get one of these switches. Without the kick-ass purple stems.
It's a good deal.
Gateron Clear bottoms were a new mould I purchased and had made. They'll exclusively be used for the "Zealio" line of switches.
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 26 August 2015, 17:48:41
See these are the new alpha switches everyone. Great work Zeal I'm glad you're doing something really special for the community. :thumb:I have seen Gateron clear tops but not the bottom. This is a great deal honestly.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
It's only $10 shipped for me. **** the tracking.
Also, 75c per switch isn't that much. Bearing in mind the amount of customization that is involved. Custom weights, custom stem colour, clear housing, gold springs.
So you would have to buy a set of gaterons, a set of clears, a set of gold plated springs, and shipping for all three of those things, to get one of these switches. Without the kick-ass purple stems.
It's a good deal.
Gateron Clear bottoms were a new mould I purchased and had made. They'll exclusively be used for the "Zealio" line of switches.
Post by: linkshine on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:00:30
Ouch. May be a deal killer
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:41:25
Enlarge and view full size at your own risk.
Purple Zealio (factory lubed) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)
(http://i.imgur.com/9MkRTj9.jpg)
Purple Zealio (purposely wiped off factory lube) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
Yup.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:43:05
So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary.What's scary? The difference in the size of the tactile indent?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:43:50
So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary.What's scary? The difference in the size of the tactile indent?
No. Look at the roughness of the legs pm the MX Brown :x
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:45:26
Ok... I knew mx browns were bad, I was just scared there was something wrong with the Zealios! Gateron always takes the cake for smoothness in my book.So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary.What's scary? The difference in the size of the tactile indent?
No. Look at the roughness of the legs pm the MX Brown :x
Post by: romevi on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:56:53
Never liked browns. Way too light for me. Now I have more reasons to hate them.Ok... I knew mx browns were bad, I was just scared there was something wrong with the Zealios! Gateron always takes the cake for smoothness in my book.So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary.What's scary? The difference in the size of the tactile indent?
No. Look at the roughness of the legs pm the MX Brown :x
Post by: Data on Wed, 26 August 2015, 19:01:20
Post by: axtran on Wed, 26 August 2015, 19:34:20
Post by: donpark on Wed, 26 August 2015, 19:38:24
i've already made my order so not sure how much that will help for now.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$and i'm here with my $45 shipping. lol. :))Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
If you can PM me your postal code, city & country, I would be able to get a more accurate DHL quote. I've covered NA & EU shipping quotes, but only a few Asian countries.
hopefully the actual parcel isnt's that expensive so that i can get some money back.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 19:48:04
i've already made my order so not sure how much that will help for now.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$and i'm here with my $45 shipping. lol. :))Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
If you can PM me your postal code, city & country, I would be able to get a more accurate DHL quote. I've covered NA & EU shipping quotes, but only a few Asian countries.
hopefully the actual parcel isnt's that expensive so that i can get some money back.
Adjusted shipping price. :)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 26 August 2015, 19:50:07
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Shipping to Brazil was $75, so my order will go to a shipping forwarder in the US, as it is the cheaper option.Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 20:13:58
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Shipping to Brazil was $75, so my order will go to a shipping forwarder in the US, as it is the cheaper option.Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I seem to have accidentally obtained a remote area address quote while I was setting up the shipping prices. It's now $35 for under 900g.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 26 August 2015, 20:34:19
Post by: mattbox on Wed, 26 August 2015, 21:12:48
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 26 August 2015, 21:26:24
PM sent for changing the shipping address.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Shipping to Brazil was $75, so my order will go to a shipping forwarder in the US, as it is the cheaper option.Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I seem to have accidentally obtained a remote area address quote while I was setting up the shipping prices. It's now $35 for under 900g.
Post by: nmur on Wed, 26 August 2015, 21:26:48
So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary. Look at how rough the Cherry MX Brown stem is...
Enlarge and view full size at your own risk.
Purple Zealio (factory lubed) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9MkRTj9.jpg)
Purple Zealio (purposely wiped off factory lube) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
Yup.
Nice shots. I'd be very interested in a similar comparison with the linear switches, as I know how scratchy a brand new linear cherry switch can be.
Post by: hippo008 on Wed, 26 August 2015, 21:43:38
Sorry for the dumb question filling up the post.
Post by: raymogi on Wed, 26 August 2015, 21:45:31
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 21:49:24
Im a big clears fan, I have them almost exclusively on all my boards. How will these stack against the MX clears? The 65g spring and the clicky stem seem to be what I want, but im not sure.
Sorry for the dumb question filling up the post.
The 65g purple Zealio is what I'd say should have been the "proper" ergo clear. If you like a slightly heavier press and a crisper bump, then 67g purple Zealio is the way to go. As for comparison against stock clears, 67g would technically be closest, but wouldn't have as heavy of a bottom out past the bump. The whole travel will also be infinitely smoother than any stock MX Clear :) There are a few reviews you can read on the OP.
I'm not sure which clicky stem you're referring to. Zealios are only offered in Linear & Tactile at the moment.
Post by: hippo008 on Wed, 26 August 2015, 21:54:54
Im a big clears fan, I have them almost exclusively on all my boards. How will these stack against the MX clears? The 65g spring and the clicky stem seem to be what I want, but im not sure.
Sorry for the dumb question filling up the post.
The 65g purple Zealio is what I'd say should have been the "proper" ergo clear. If you like a slightly heavier press and a crisper bump, then 67g purple Zealio is the way to go. As for comparison against stock clears, 67g would technically be closest, but wouldn't have as heavy of a bottom out past the bump. The whole travel will also be infinitely smoother than any stock MX Clear :) There are a few reviews you can read on the OP.
I'm not sure which clicky stem you're referring to. Zealios are only offered in Linear & Tactile at the moment.
thanks for the reply!
I was just referring to the clicky stem, somehow that got all mixed up in my mind.
Ill definitely be ordering some!
Post by: raymogi on Wed, 26 August 2015, 23:08:29
Which, if any, of these switches, closely resemble Topre feeling? Did I order the right one?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 26 August 2015, 23:12:17
After reading the reviews, I decided to order the 65g purples. My only MX experience is reds and right now I'm using 45g Topre full time.
Which, if any, of these switches, closely resemble Topre feeling? Did I order the right one?
65g would be the closest feeling to a properly lubed ergo clear. 67g has a slight resemblance to 45g Topre (tactile bump wise), however still not completely the same. I think you'd be happy with both weights if you're looking to experiment.
Post by: raymogi on Wed, 26 August 2015, 23:23:10
Post by: donpark on Wed, 26 August 2015, 23:56:45
Awesome. Thanks!i've already made my order so not sure how much that will help for now.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$and i'm here with my $45 shipping. lol. :))Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
If you can PM me your postal code, city & country, I would be able to get a more accurate DHL quote. I've covered NA & EU shipping quotes, but only a few Asian countries.
hopefully the actual parcel isnt's that expensive so that i can get some money back.
Adjusted shipping price. :)
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 27 August 2015, 03:04:45
I just have to decide how many hundreds to buy and which spring weight to choose...
I want the most tactility, but I love light switches... I have a bunch of 62g springs to swap in if I need to, so do I order 65g or 67g? My gut says 65g will suit me most in terms of spring strength, but I want to feel the 67g "crispness" and "Topre-ness".... I think I'll have to get 10 in 67g and the rest in 65g. Or half and half... I want the maximum "pop", which was with 62g springs on normal ErgoClears... can't decide! :-\
Post by: krbuck on Thu, 27 August 2015, 08:09:36
Ordered 100 of these. I don't know how to solder but I will learn just so I can use these awesome switches.
Its been quite a few years since I soldered anything... its not that difficult though, but it does take a little practice to get good. Key things are clean surfaces, tin your tip and make sure you get both parts being soldered hot so it flows evenly to each. Of course this forum has some experts for coaching. :)
I ordered a couple extra to practice. I don't even have a board yet, so I'm not in a hurry. I'm hoping to try these on a JD45 board when they become available.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 27 August 2015, 08:37:03
These sound absolutely amazing! Finally, the perfect MX switch for me!
I just have to decide how many hundreds to buy and which spring weight to choose...
I want the most tactility, but I love light switches... I have a bunch of 62g springs to swap in if I need to, so do I order 65g or 67g? My gut says 65g will suit me most in terms of spring strength, but I want to feel the 67g "crispness" and "Topre-ness".... I think I'll have to get 10 in 67g and the rest in 65g. Or half and half... I want the maximum "pop", which was with 62g springs on normal ErgoClears... can't decide! :-\
Solution: buy both! :))
65g will give you that nice bump you'd expect in ergo clears, but 67g is different enough that it reminded livingspeedbump and me of 45g Topre.
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 27 August 2015, 09:10:04
These sound absolutely amazing! Finally, the perfect MX switch for me!
I just have to decide how many hundreds to buy and which spring weight to choose...
I want the most tactility, but I love light switches... I have a bunch of 62g springs to swap in if I need to, so do I order 65g or 67g? My gut says 65g will suit me most in terms of spring strength, but I want to feel the 67g "crispness" and "Topre-ness".... I think I'll have to get 10 in 67g and the rest in 65g. Or half and half... I want the maximum "pop", which was with 62g springs on normal ErgoClears... can't decide! :-\
Solution: buy both! :))
65g will give you that nice bump you'd expect in ergo clears, but 67g is different enough that it reminded livingspeedbump and me of 45g Topre.
I think I just might. The majority in 65g, but enough 67g to see how they feel. I can always spring swap if needed. You've done the keyboard community a great service by creating these switches, Zeal! Thank you!
<edit- moved my text to the right place, it's irritating how the cursor is place in the middle of the quoted area by default...>
Post by: kekstee on Thu, 27 August 2015, 11:29:29
So, if I love Topre as well as light Cherry switches I should aim for 65g tactile?
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 27 August 2015, 11:42:21
Oh wow. I've been thinking about ergo clears anyway, so this is horribly tempting, despite the price tag.
So, if I love Topre as well as light Cherry switches I should aim for 65g tactile?
I would say yes. :)
People should consider the prices of having to source Cherry switches ($49/100 in USA, €65/100 in EU) + springs ($10-12?) + lube ($10-15) + shipping for all 3 items before comparing it to the $0.75/switch price. And that's before the clear tops & exclusive clear bottom + tight stem issue on Clears.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 27 August 2015, 11:44:34
I'm used to Topre 55g and buckling springs. Which Purple would be best for me? 65g or 67g? Deciding which to get for my Jane.
Also, never used linear before on a board, but thinking of putting some in my Mira, when that happens. Since I like heavier switches, would 67g be too heavy or should I opt for 65g?
Answered. Thanks!
Post by: mbrown559 on Thu, 27 August 2015, 11:46:31
Oh wow. I've been thinking about ergo clears anyway, so this is horribly tempting, despite the price tag.
So, if I love Topre as well as light Cherry switches I should aim for 65g tactile?
I would say yes. :)
People should consider the prices of having to source Cherry switches ($49/100 in USA, €65/100 in EU) + springs ($10-12?) + lube ($10-15) + shipping for all 3 items before comparing it to the $0.75/switch price. And that's before the clear tops & exclusive clear bottom + tight stem issue on Clears.
So am I correct in assuming everyone thinks these things are "smooth" enough without lube? I plan on getting the 65G variant. Currently I use ErgoClears modded by GON and wan't to get something as close to those as possible.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 27 August 2015, 11:54:38
Oh wow. I've been thinking about ergo clears anyway, so this is horribly tempting, despite the price tag.
So, if I love Topre as well as light Cherry switches I should aim for 65g tactile?
I would say yes. :)
People should consider the prices of having to source Cherry switches ($49/100 in USA, €65/100 in EU) + springs ($10-12?) + lube ($10-15) + shipping for all 3 items before comparing it to the $0.75/switch price. And that's before the clear tops & exclusive clear bottom + tight stem issue on Clears.
So am I correct in assuming everyone thinks these things are "smooth" enough without lube? I plan on getting the 65G variant. Currently I use ErgoClears modded by GON and wan't to get something as close to those as possible.
For the majority of users, yes it will be very smooth without lube. If you're up for experimenting or strive for 100%, there's no harm done in lubing as it can only enhance the experience if done properly. 65g Purple Zealios would resemble the closest to the "62g Ergo Clear" standard.
Post by: saturnotaku on Thu, 27 August 2015, 14:00:34
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Thu, 27 August 2015, 16:10:57
These sound absolutely amazing! Finally, the perfect MX switch for me!
I just have to decide how many hundreds to buy and which spring weight to choose...
I want the most tactility, but I love light switches... I have a bunch of 62g springs to swap in if I need to, so do I order 65g or 67g? My gut says 65g will suit me most in terms of spring strength, but I want to feel the 67g "crispness" and "Topre-ness".... I think I'll have to get 10 in 67g and the rest in 65g. Or half and half... I want the maximum "pop", which was with 62g springs on normal ErgoClears... can't decide! :-\
Solution: buy both! :))
65g will give you that nice bump you'd expect in ergo clears, but 67g is different enough that it reminded livingspeedbump and me of 45g Topre.
Shoot, now I'm thinking I should've picked the 67g option if it reminds you of Topre; would it be a horrible pain in the ass to change my order to 67g instead of the default 62g? I'm a stupidhead and just kinda ordered in a big hurry when I saw the group buy was live :rolleyes:
Post by: edsucks on Thu, 27 August 2015, 16:23:07
Thinking of picking up 70 to fill a Smart68 and maybe a few more in the future for a TKL.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 27 August 2015, 16:25:39
These sound absolutely amazing! Finally, the perfect MX switch for me!
I just have to decide how many hundreds to buy and which spring weight to choose...
I want the most tactility, but I love light switches... I have a bunch of 62g springs to swap in if I need to, so do I order 65g or 67g? My gut says 65g will suit me most in terms of spring strength, but I want to feel the 67g "crispness" and "Topre-ness".... I think I'll have to get 10 in 67g and the rest in 65g. Or half and half... I want the maximum "pop", which was with 62g springs on normal ErgoClears... can't decide! :-\
Solution: buy both! :))
65g will give you that nice bump you'd expect in ergo clears, but 67g is different enough that it reminded livingspeedbump and me of 45g Topre.
Shoot, now I'm thinking I should've picked the 67g option if it reminds you of Topre; would it be a horrible pain in the ass to change my order to 67g instead of the default 62g? I'm a stupidhead and just kinda ordered in a big hurry when I saw the group buy was live :rolleyes:
Shoot me a PM with your order number so I can get you a refund to re-order your desired weight. That way I can properly keep track of inventory & amount of switches ordered (can't change options after order has been placed on my end).
These should be stocked somewhat regularly after the groupbuy, correct?
Thinking of picking up 70 to fill a Smart68 and maybe a few more in the future for a TKL.
Yes, they will be stocked regularly after the GB. However price will be listed higher depending on how many extra switches I'll have to order to reach the high MOQ.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 27 August 2015, 18:14:47
So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary. Look at how rough the Cherry MX Brown stem is...
Enlarge and view full size at your own risk.
Purple Zealio (factory lubed) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9MkRTj9.jpg)
Purple Zealio (purposely wiped off factory lube) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
Yup.
Nice shots. I'd be very interested in a similar comparison with the linear switches, as I know how scratchy a brand new linear cherry switch can be.
Took a picture of Gateron's Black stem vs Cherry MX Black stem as it shows texture more easily (also makes it easier to focus properly).
Gateron Black on left, Cherry MX Black on Right
(http://i.imgur.com/3rfzJ4s.jpg)
Gateron Black on left, Cherry MX Black on Right
(http://i.imgur.com/fbPI6bD.jpg)
I tried taking a pic of my decapitated Cherry MX Clear stem, but I couldn't get the flash to cooperate with the translucency of the stem. :/ You can still see there's texture and extra bumps in the reflection though. Still no comparison to Purple Zealios.
(http://i.imgur.com/9bfrFwN.jpg)
Post by: filphil on Thu, 27 August 2015, 18:21:26
So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary. Look at how rough the Cherry MX Brown stem is...
Enlarge and view full size at your own risk.
Purple Zealio (factory lubed) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3rfzJ4s.jpg)
Purple Zealio (purposely wiped off factory lube) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
Yup.
Nice shots. I'd be very interested in a similar comparison with the linear switches, as I know how scratchy a brand new linear cherry switch can be.
Took a picture of Gateron's Black stem vs Cherry MX Black stem as it shows texture more easily (also makes it easier to focus properly).
Gateron Black on left, Cherry MX Black on RightShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/fbPI6bD.jpg)
Not sure why the above picture looks so dark. The bbcode resize is messing up the focus. Click on this image to view full size: http://i.imgur.com/3rfzJ4s.jpg
Gateron Black on left, Cherry MX Black on RightShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/fbPI6bD.jpg)
I tried taking a pic of my decapitated Cherry MX Clear stem, but I couldn't get the flash to cooperate with the translucency of the stem. :/ You can still see there's texture and extra bumps in the reflection though. Still no comparison to Purple Zealios.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9bfrFwN.jpg)
Makes me wonder if thicker lube would be of greater benefit to cherry mx stems. Alternatively, Thinner lubes might be better suited for the smoother gaterons?
Post by: donpark on Thu, 27 August 2015, 18:52:38
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 27 August 2015, 19:17:35
silly question, how and what is needed if i want to install white leds on these switches?
Any regular keyboard LED will fit Zealios. 3mm, 2x3x4mm, 1.8mm. :)
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 27 August 2015, 19:18:22
(http://i.imgur.com/T2lbgCI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bqrtVFn.jpg)
bleh, f/22 is making the images appear soft.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 27 August 2015, 19:29:04
Post by: njbair on Thu, 27 August 2015, 20:07:30
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 27 August 2015, 20:12:45
That Kalih shot is interesting. It suggests that the rough surface finish isn't necessarily a function of mold age, but rather mold quality.
The "pole" on the Kailh stem is definitely interesting. It looks like they rushed the very bottom part / didn't bother to polish the very bottom of the mould. Shame as that section also factors into smoothness.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 27 August 2015, 20:18:17
That Kalih shot is interesting. It suggests that the rough surface finish isn't necessarily a function of mold age, but rather mold quality.
The "pole" on the Kailh stem is definitely interesting. It looks like they rushed the very bottom part / didn't bother to polish the very bottom of the mould. Shame as that section also factors into smoothness.
After 8 years as a machinist working with molds and other tooling, I can say I never saw parts come out as perfect as those Gaterons. They're almost flawless where it counts.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 27 August 2015, 20:31:05
That Kalih shot is interesting. It suggests that the rough surface finish isn't necessarily a function of mold age, but rather mold quality.
The "pole" on the Kailh stem is definitely interesting. It looks like they rushed the very bottom part / didn't bother to polish the very bottom of the mould. Shame as that section also factors into smoothness.
After 8 years as a machinist working with molds and other tooling, I can say I never saw parts come out as perfect as those Gaterons. They're almost flawless where it counts.
And perfection comes at a price...RIP wallet on making the 2 moulds.
More people need to join this GB/Pre-order to help support the project. :(
Post by: njbair on Thu, 27 August 2015, 22:04:11
That Kalih shot is interesting. It suggests that the rough surface finish isn't necessarily a function of mold age, but rather mold quality.
The "pole" on the Kailh stem is definitely interesting. It looks like they rushed the very bottom part / didn't bother to polish the very bottom of the mould. Shame as that section also factors into smoothness.
After 8 years as a machinist working with molds and other tooling, I can say I never saw parts come out as perfect as those Gaterons. They're almost flawless where it counts.
And perfection comes at a price...RIP wallet on making the 2 moulds.
More people need to join this GB/Pre-order to help support the project. :(
I'll definitely be jumping in on the GB, however I'm holding off until I can decide what for & how many. I'm sure you can understand, folks are probably a little more conservative and intentional with their switch purchases at this price point.
Re: mold prices, I doubt most people understand just how much that stuff costs. It's worth it in the long run, but you took an enormous risk here that makes even the most sought-after Korean custom look like chump change. Based on the reviews so far it seems as though that risk is going to pay off long-term, but in the meantime you're really sticking your neck out to bring something amazing to the community. You must be excited and super scared all at the same time. But, such is business. Keep up the good work!
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 28 August 2015, 01:47:00
I'll just repeat this, since it kind of got lost in the quoted area in my post:
You've done the keyboard community a great service by creating these switches, Zeal! Thank you!
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 28 August 2015, 05:57:19
also I think alot of people are waiting on the Mira and other customs zeal I'm waiting as I want to order all of mine at once due to shipping cost! From the sounds of it the quality is there that will eventually equate to the sales your looking for :thumb:That Kalih shot is interesting. It suggests that the rough surface finish isn't necessarily a function of mold age, but rather mold quality.
The "pole" on the Kailh stem is definitely interesting. It looks like they rushed the very bottom part / didn't bother to polish the very bottom of the mould. Shame as that section also factors into smoothness.
After 8 years as a machinist working with molds and other tooling, I can say I never saw parts come out as perfect as those Gaterons. They're almost flawless where it counts.
And perfection comes at a price...RIP wallet on making the 2 moulds.
More people need to join this GB/Pre-order to help support the project. :(
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 28 August 2015, 12:56:52
The first day burst in orders was great, and I was really glad to see that a good amount of supporters were willing to pitch in early in the game. :)
Here's a chart from the day the GB launched til right now, with no monetary figures. Just a bar chart for you guys to reference the ratio.
(http://puu.sh/jRMj0/71914c465c.png)
As I've received a couple PMs asking what sort of numbers we're looking at for me to break even including tooling, switches, materials & logistics cost, we're roughly 22.72% there for me to make absolutely $0. Just some food for thought for anyone else curious.
Post by: Data on Fri, 28 August 2015, 13:05:49
I'd almost prefer to get them now so I'm not adding another level of complexity (and cost) to my Mira order. Plus I can get as many as I want now.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 28 August 2015, 13:08:28
Is there any advantage to waiting and ordering Zealios with the Mira? Just combined shipping?
I'd almost prefer to get them now so I'm not adding another level of complexity (and cost) to my Mira order. Plus I can get as many as I want now.
Mostly just combined shipping. The switches may arrive before Mira, so if you wanted to lube them and such, I'd get them first.
As for the Mira listing + Zealios, it may be limited to a static 90 switch (or multiples of 90) order due to some back-end limitations of setting up a multi-drop down listing.
Post by: Data on Fri, 28 August 2015, 13:28:49
Is there any advantage to waiting and ordering Zealios with the Mira? Just combined shipping?
I'd almost prefer to get them now so I'm not adding another level of complexity (and cost) to my Mira order. Plus I can get as many as I want now.
Mostly just combined shipping. The switches may arrive before Mira, so if you wanted to lube them and such, I'd get them first.
As for the Mira listing + Zealios, it may be limited to a static 90 switch (or multiples of 90) order due to some back-end limitations of setting up a multi-drop down listing.
Right, OK. I'll put in an order on the 4th. Thanks Zeal.
Post by: ika on Fri, 28 August 2015, 13:52:20
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 28 August 2015, 14:11:48
So as I understand it is this going to be one giant order from Gateron to meet their MOQ, then what's sold is sold? In other words, will you be able to utilize your custom mold after this initial group buy?Yes, I'll still be using the mould. Hopefully after the initial GB, there'll be more demand later on, so depending on demand, I may or may not re-run a GB. I'll have to decide if I want to just buy out MOQ in future runs.
Post by: inanis on Fri, 28 August 2015, 14:17:31
Post by: kekstee on Fri, 28 August 2015, 18:17:36
Post by: steve.v on Sat, 29 August 2015, 01:14:48
Post by: awhitedev on Sat, 29 August 2015, 06:35:08
I'm in. Would throwing this on Massdrop help if any? Thx zeal for everything.
It would help with numbers probably... but if they handle and ship his switches like their previous few drops it could also be a disaster to his reputation. Although I'm not really sure how you can screw up shipping a bag of switches I'm sure they'd find a way.
Post by: filphil on Sat, 29 August 2015, 06:47:42
I'm in. Would throwing this on Massdrop help if any? Thx zeal for everything.
It would help with numbers probably... but if they handle and ship his switches like their previous few drops it could also be a disaster to his reputation. Although I'm not really sure how you can screw up shipping a bag of switches I'm sure they'd find a way.
I think it's possible to ship directly from a vendor rather than use massdrop's awful fulfillment center.
Post by: Chedda7 on Sat, 29 August 2015, 08:37:46
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 29 August 2015, 09:28:52
I'm in. Would throwing this on Massdrop help if any? Thx zeal for everything.
It would help with numbers probably... but if they handle and ship his switches like their previous few drops it could also be a disaster to his reputation. Although I'm not really sure how you can screw up shipping a bag of switches I'm sure they'd find a way.
I think it's possible to ship directly from a vendor rather than use massdrop's awful fulfillment center.
I'm not a Massdrop guy. As this is a community developed product, there is no way in hell it'll end up under Massdrop's greasy fingers to profit off of. Massdrop, if you're reading this, sorry but I made it very clear with Gateron that you will not be "dropping" these Zealio switches ever. They keep saying they're a community driven company; however as of late, from what I've observed, they don't seem to know many of their products at all. And quite frankly, many of their price tiers are artificial.
MOQ isn't an issue for me. I can always buy it out, but I'd rather not atm.
Is there a time line for when we can expect to see a complementing RGB 4pin PCB?
No dates revealed yet. Just know it is being designed!
Post by: romevi on Sat, 29 August 2015, 09:54:09
I'm fine with it being through here. I'll get a few things from Massdrop, but some of their drops lately make me think they're becoming less and less community driven, if at all.
Post by: 3K on Sat, 29 August 2015, 09:55:23
MOQ isn't an issue for me. I can always buy it out, but I'd rather not atm.
This is a keyboard community, and you are about to release THE new switch. Something that will go down in history. I wouldn't worry too much about these guys not selling!
I for one just wait for a chance to get them shipped cheap(er). - Anyone in germany want to share shipping with me?
Also does the number of different switches ordered increase the chance to win a binge? Say I order a bunch of clears and a bunch of purples - is the chance the same as if I'd order the purples only?
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 29 August 2015, 09:58:03
MOQ isn't an issue for me. I can always buy it out, but I'd rather not atm.
This is a keyboard community, and you are about to release THE new switch. Something that will go down in history. I wouldn't worry too much about these guys not selling!
I for one just wait for a chance to get them shipped cheap(er). - Anyone in germany want to share shipping with me?
Also does the number of different switches ordered increase the chance to win a binge? Say I order a bunch of clears and a bunch of purples - is the chance the same as if I'd order the purples only?
1 ticket entry per order. So I guess you can "game" the system if you place two orders and pay double shipping w/o me noticing. Not too sure how many people would be interested in that as you'll just receive two boxes. Just make one order and hope for the best. :)
Post by: dante on Sat, 29 August 2015, 10:19:10
Don't be discouraged by the numbers just yet.
^ What he said. I'm definitely putting in an order at the very last minute. Right now I am transferring funds into my Paypal week by week to build up enough to buy around 400-600 67g's. Feng picked a hell of a time to start his Rainbow POM GB :(
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 29 August 2015, 12:28:26
All in all the 65g's seem to be the safest option for me, being a 62g cherry lover and liking lighter rather than heavy switches (blues & blacks are too heavy for me for example). I will order 10's of 65g and 67g also to check them out. My only fear however is that I will like the 62g or 67g better and I wouldn't be able to spring swap them all because these are custom springs :confused: (I have 62g's from sprit but according to zeal these springs are not like stock sprit springs).
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 29 August 2015, 13:04:38
My opinion: 62g Cherry clears lubed are absolutely the best for typing, 65g is way too heavy, 60 is too light for sure. For gaming however I like 55g best. 55g's need to be lubed for the switch to work though. If I'm not mistaken the 55g is the lowest you can go with Cherry because even though you lube because the spring simply won't be strong enough to throw it back. I see that with these you don't need to worry about lubing the 62g's because it's so smooth. Makes me wonder how it is with 60g, 55g, 50g & 45g. Maybe one can go with these weights with these switches? Probably it will be too light but some small % of people maybe would like that. I wonder what g weight with Zealios will match the 55g cherry the most. I will have to experiment.
All in all the 65g's seem to be the safest option for me, being a 62g cherry lover and liking lighter rather than heavy switches (blues & blacks are too heavy for me for example). I will order 10's of 65g and 67g also to check them out. My only fear however is that I will like the 62g or 67g better and I wouldn't be able to spring swap them all because these are custom springs :confused: (I have 62g's from sprit but according to zeal these springs are not like stock sprit springs).
If you love the 62g ergo clear feel, 65g Purple Zealios should further enhance that experience (super smooth and "one-motion" feeling). 62g Zealios feel a bit lighter than 62g Ergo clears due to the smoothness of the stem. Almost feels like a MX Brown with a bit more bump+tiny bit more weight.
It's quite hard to describe feeling without actually feeling the switches yourself. You'll just have to read a bit of reviews in the OP and make the decision.
Post by: tuantruong on Sat, 29 August 2015, 13:38:59
Just a question, sorry if it has been asked. I read somewhere that the gateron switches are close enough so we don't need the stickers, what about the Zealio swithes? Do I need the stickers for the Zealio?
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 29 August 2015, 13:50:02
Just ordered 200 sexy purple swes, this will be on my Jane and Orion v2 for sure. :thumb:
Just a question, sorry if it has been asked. I read somewhere that the gateron switches are close enough so we don't need the stickers, what about the Zealio swithes? Do I need the stickers for the Zealio?
RGB switch tops fit even more snug than the standard Gateron tops. :) So no, no stickers required.
Post by: aznairjordan on Sat, 29 August 2015, 13:58:06
Just ordered 200 sexy purple swes, this will be on my Jane and Orion v2 for sure. :thumb:
Just a question, sorry if it has been asked. I read somewhere that the gateron switches are close enough so we don't need the stickers, what about the Zealio swithes? Do I need the stickers for the Zealio?
RGB switch tops fit even more snug than the standard Gateron tops. :) So no, no stickers required.
I remember you saying somewhere that stickers might even be bad for these zealios. Is that true?
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 29 August 2015, 14:25:50
Just ordered 200 sexy purple swes, this will be on my Jane and Orion v2 for sure. :thumb:
Just a question, sorry if it has been asked. I read somewhere that the gateron switches are close enough so we don't need the stickers, what about the Zealio swithes? Do I need the stickers for the Zealio?
RGB switch tops fit even more snug than the standard Gateron tops. :) So no, no stickers required.
I remember you saying somewhere that stickers might even be bad for these zealios. Is that true?
I don't use stickers because it's a waste of time. Stickers will have to be compressed to fit and/or you're applying unnecessary pressure between the two housings. Why block the LED lighting with stickers when the whole housing is clear anyways? ;)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 29 August 2015, 14:54:05
I'm not a Massdrop guy. As this is a community developed product, there is no way in hell it'll end up under Massdrop's greasy fingers to profit off of. Massdrop, if you're reading this, sorry but I made it very clear with Gateron that you will not be "dropping" these Zealio switches ever.
Zeal: The People's Switchmaker
Post by: dustinhxc on Sat, 29 August 2015, 15:00:53
Post by: strict on Sat, 29 August 2015, 15:51:06
Dang just noticed you were in Canada. :( $15 shipping. I only want 1 for my keychain. love that purple. These are sick man!
I'll hook you up with a couple from my order if you like :)
Post by: dustinhxc on Sat, 29 August 2015, 15:55:42
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 29 August 2015, 16:06:46
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 29 August 2015, 16:12:51
Damn I just realized how much shipping is. That's a bummer. $15-23 to the USA. Definitely got spoiled on USPS prices.
*triggered*
Check your USA privilege! Anyone having 'local' shiping rates (first time ever for me on GH) is being boned by the fact that the Canadian Dollar is worth peanuts right about now :p
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 29 August 2015, 16:17:32
Damn I just realized how much shipping is. That's a bummer. $15-23 to the USA. Definitely got spoiled on USPS prices.
Buy more switches to offset shipping :P
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 29 August 2015, 16:20:43
Damn I just realized how much shipping is. That's a bummer. $15-23 to the USA. Definitely got spoiled on USPS prices.
Buy more switches to offset shipping :P
I'm trying to get *out* of MX-mount, not stock up on more :P. After these I don't anticipate buying anything else MX.
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 29 August 2015, 19:52:20
Post by: awhitedev on Sat, 29 August 2015, 19:58:37
Damn I just realized how much shipping is. That's a bummer. $15-23 to the USA. Definitely got spoiled on USPS prices.
Buy more switches to offset shipping :P
I'm trying to get *out* of MX-mount, not stock up on more :P. After these I don't anticipate buying anything else MX.
Sure you won't... ;)
Post by: Binge on Sat, 29 August 2015, 21:05:24
Post by: inanis on Sat, 29 August 2015, 21:08:25
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SzL2eyn.jpg)
Oh daaaaaaaaammmmmnnn.
Legit right there.
Post by: Binge on Sat, 29 August 2015, 21:28:35
Post by: aznairjordan on Sat, 29 August 2015, 21:30:39
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NHRWPCA.jpg)
OH ****..
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Sat, 29 August 2015, 23:12:28
These look really nice Binge. :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SzL2eyn.jpg)
Post by: olijuice on Sun, 30 August 2015, 00:05:05
Post by: mattbox on Sun, 30 August 2015, 01:41:39
Regardless I plan on getting a set sometime next week
Post by: Armagedda on Sun, 30 August 2015, 03:40:13
Sorry if this was answered in the other thread, but do you own the design/molds for your switches or does Gateron? Just curious if these end up being really popular would Gateron be abled to sell them to manufacturers or consumers without going through you?
Regardless I plan on getting a set sometime next week
I think that he answered that in THIS thread. Sounds like he owns the mold given he was saying that on the 28th he was only 22% of the way to making $0. And it especially sounds like he owns the mold if he is telling Gateron that MD will not drop these switches. I'm sure Zeal will confirm.
While you're at it Zeal, I've got a question regarding shipping, I'm sure someone else is wondering so I'll ask publicly. What is the DHL Express shipping like in terms of insurance, is this available at an extra cost to us? I see no option of it available on your site for insurance and I would definitely prefer to have this option available to me as I am planning on buying 3-400 and don't like the idea of eating that cost if they go missing.
I never used to worry about this but I recently had an item lost in the mail and was basically told by Australia Post to F off because there's no way 200 little springs cost $20. It's like they had never heard of 24K gold plated super heavy keyboard springs before?! Plebs.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 30 August 2015, 07:56:34
Regarding DHL Express shipping, they're an express courier service just like UPS and FedEx (except they're the gentlest with packages from my experience). Unless you live in a remote area, DHL will deliver your package in-person at your door and request for signature. I've shipped and imported with DHL for over a year, and I've never had an item go missing. Their job is to get your parcel from one destination to another within the quoted time frame (usually 1-3 days depending on location). Probably less than 10 packages I've shipped have arrived a day late due to weather delays or missing the barcodes scan before departure from Canada (when that happens, it just always ends up at the Cincinnati Ohio airport hub in USA). I don't offer insurance options for DHL as switches aren't fragile objects. If we were shipping TVs or monitors, then I'd definitely offer insurance. To ease your mind, in the very unlikely event that a parcel goes missing when shipped via DHL Express, I will replace your order (including shipping), free of charge and you can quote me on that.
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 30 August 2015, 08:37:19
To ease your mind, in the very unlikely event that a parcel goes missing when shipped via DHL Express, I will replace your order (including shipping), free of charge and you can quote me on that.
One of the many attributes of a great vendor!
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 30 August 2015, 09:05:05
Post by: Sed8op8 on Sun, 30 August 2015, 09:25:59
Is it weird that I actually had a dream about these switches last night? Been thinking too much about Mech's lately!I don't think so 64 :)) I dream about keyboards and key caps on the reg. 😍
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 30 August 2015, 10:07:52
Is it weird that I actually had a dream about these switches last night? Been thinking too much about Mech's lately!I don't think so 64 :)) I dream about keyboards and key caps on the reg. 😍
Oh man, it was so vivid, I actually dreamt that with my order of the 62g Purples, I received one of each of the others as a sample, and was comparing the weights... Right, I need to get out, might go for a hike.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 30 August 2015, 11:36:30
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SzL2eyn.jpg)
You sir, just sold a lot of Zealios.
Post by: Binge on Sun, 30 August 2015, 11:55:21
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 30 August 2015, 11:56:30
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SbZznQW.jpg)
OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 30 August 2015, 11:58:25
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SzL2eyn.jpg)
Binge heavy on those LSU colors. Where's LastPilot and Mashby? :P
Nice caps and flicks :D
Post by: Binge on Sun, 30 August 2015, 12:32:16
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SbZznQW.jpg)
OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
slo-fi is amazingpants,
(http://i.imgur.com/cf1gEQv.jpg)
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 30 August 2015, 12:46:52
Post by: 3K on Sun, 30 August 2015, 15:49:29
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SbZznQW.jpg)
OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
slo-fi is amazingpants,Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cf1gEQv.jpg)
I am throwing all kind of things on ebay to make money for zealios. I hope you are happy now, Binge.
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 30 August 2015, 18:22:38
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SbZznQW.jpg)
OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
slo-fi is amazingpants,Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cf1gEQv.jpg)
Well I have one order, so one raffle ticket, let's see :)
Post by: Binge on Sun, 30 August 2015, 18:56:27
Everyone who ordered per requirements gets one raffle ticket. Damn straight.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SbZznQW.jpg)
OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
slo-fi is amazingpants,Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cf1gEQv.jpg)
Well I have one order, so one raffle ticket, let's see :)
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Sun, 30 August 2015, 19:18:36
Where can one find these requirements?Everyone who ordered per requirements gets one raffle ticket. Damn straight.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SbZznQW.jpg)
OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
slo-fi is amazingpants,Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cf1gEQv.jpg)
Well I have one order, so one raffle ticket, let's see :)
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 30 August 2015, 19:27:40
Where can one find these requirements?Everyone who ordered per requirements gets one raffle ticket. Damn straight.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SbZznQW.jpg)
OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
slo-fi is amazingpants,Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cf1gEQv.jpg)
Well I have one order, so one raffle ticket, let's see :)
OP :)
(http://puu.sh/jOkOr/808437ac2f.png)
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Sun, 30 August 2015, 19:34:59
OP :)Oh I thought there were even more specific requirements haha. Guess you just gotta be a "lucky purchaser" then?Show Image(http://puu.sh/jOkOr/808437ac2f.png)
Post by: whmeltonjr on Mon, 31 August 2015, 00:14:17
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 31 August 2015, 00:31:55
I'll be building my first custom pretty soon, and I'm looking at switches. This board will only be used at home where the majority of the use it will see is gaming. I currently use MX Browns and Logitech's switch, the Romer G (which I actually really like). I'm concerned that even though these feel smooth, they would be too heavy. I'm glad I have a month to make up my mind, but these are definitely on my radar screen. Just wish there was a way to test them.
Remember, these are bottom out force weights, not actuation forces! The 65g spring weight is only slightly heavier than an MX Brown switch. :)
Post by: Zustiur on Mon, 31 August 2015, 09:35:04
I think I prefer heavier springs in general so should look at 67g. The different measurements confuse me. I think I prefer whites to blues. What's the closest match here?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 31 August 2015, 10:03:57
I hope my switch tester gets here soon I can make a more informed decision about zealios. I think I'd like stock clears but I've never used any tactile switches.
I think I prefer heavier springs in general so should look at 67g. The different measurements confuse me. I think I prefer whites to blues. What's the closest match here?
If you like heavier weights, then go with 67g. It's got a crisper bump than 65g. 65g has the "drawn out" bump that a lot of people like from ergo clears.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 31 August 2015, 10:10:20
Post by: Binge on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:11:11
*sploosh*
(http://i.imgur.com/KCVz7tD.jpg)
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:43:09
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:45:49
So is this GB closing out now? What are the timelines for getting these suckers?If I'm not mistaken, you've still got a while. It's not closing till end of September.
Post by: inanis on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:58:31
we'll just dump this here... nnnnnngggghhhhheeehhhhThe amount I love these knows no bounds. That purple is like everything good in the world on top of a glittering base. I need it!
*sploosh*Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KCVz7tD.jpg)
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 31 August 2015, 12:23:06
So is this GB closing out now? What are the timelines for getting these suckers?If I'm not mistaken, you've still got a while. It's not closing till end of September.
OMG! you are right, I got so excited I forgot it was August! :-[
Well, the wait now is real!
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Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 02 September 2015, 10:40:49
we'll just dump this here... nnnnnngggghhhhheeehhhh
*sploosh*Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KCVz7tD.jpg)
Mmmm, that stamp though
Post by: steve.v on Wed, 02 September 2015, 11:01:53
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 02 September 2015, 11:03:18
Zeal, i see that you actually have a youtube channel! care to tease us with a vid of you typing on zealios?
They all went to reviewers shortly after I did photoshoots. :-[
Post by: ccc24 on Wed, 02 September 2015, 13:02:31
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 02 September 2015, 13:08:10
Definitely going to be picking some up for the Smart 68. Just can't decide between purple 65 or 67.
Do you want to FEEL the resistance when you type, or do you just want a smooth motion? If you want to feel it, get 67g, otherwise get 65g.
Post by: ika on Wed, 02 September 2015, 13:32:37
EDIT: I did miss this. So Zealios should expect to land roughly late October.
Quote
Please note: This is a pre-order/group buy. Orders will close on September 30, 2015 11:59:59pm PST. Expected manufacturing & shipping time to Zeal PC: 1 business week.
Shipping from Zeal PC to customers will be based on a first-to-order basis. Projected packing time is 1-2 weeks. Shipping will be via DHL Express (1-3 business days worldwide*) or Canada Post Small Packet Air (no tracking, items under 250g) to addresses outside of USA. Canadian orders will be shipped via Canada Post Expedited Parcel/Xpresspost.
Post by: Uhmkevinkev on Wed, 02 September 2015, 14:08:02
Post by: quake4mhg on Wed, 02 September 2015, 14:32:54
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 02 September 2015, 14:52:37
This is my first group buy on here but can't wait to put them in my filco. :D
You need one of these, then. :)
(http://i.imgur.com/5AVDj5W.png)
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 02 September 2015, 15:21:44
If I wanna lube stem a 104 linear board, how many "GH V3 Lube" do I need? Thanks.
One vial (2ml) is enough for ~100 keys as long as you're using lube in moderation. For linear switches, you'll want to pick up thin lube.
Post by: Uhmkevinkev on Wed, 02 September 2015, 15:39:08
This is my first group buy on here but can't wait to put them in my filco. :D
You need one of these, then. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5AVDj5W.png)
Shouldn't the stock plate work? Also I am going to do it to my tkl.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 02 September 2015, 18:32:10
This is my first group buy on here but can't wait to put them in my filco. :D
You need one of these, then. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5AVDj5W.png)
Shouldn't the stock plate work? Also I am going to do it to my tkl.
I think JD just meant something along the lines of:
"If you're going to put in the effort in desoldering switches, you might as well swap out the old plate for a custom, switch top removable top plate".
Post by: THSdrummer on Wed, 02 September 2015, 19:20:25
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 02 September 2015, 19:27:36
This is my first group buy on here but can't wait to put them in my filco. :D
You need one of these, then. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5AVDj5W.png)
Shouldn't the stock plate work? Also I am going to do it to my tkl.
I think JD just meant something along the lines of:
"If you're going to put in the effort in desoldering switches, you might as well swap out the old plate for a custom, switch top removable top plate".
Yes, exactly. thank you for clarifying. :)
Post by: uJalled on Wed, 02 September 2015, 20:52:17
Post by: Uhmkevinkev on Wed, 02 September 2015, 21:46:43
This is my first group buy on here but can't wait to put them in my filco. :D
You need one of these, then. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5AVDj5W.png)
Shouldn't the stock plate work? Also I am going to do it to my tkl.
I think JD just meant something along the lines of:
"If you're going to put in the effort in desoldering switches, you might as well swap out the old plate for a custom, switch top removable top plate".
Yes, exactly. thank you for clarifying. :)
Oh I see well... I do not have the budget since i just bought the TKL. BUT I will definitely buy custom plates for both my TKL and fullsize in the future! ^.^
Post by: ctrlX on Thu, 03 September 2015, 04:13:14
Post by: Vaun on Thu, 03 September 2015, 06:34:32
Post by: kingslenkds on Thu, 03 September 2015, 08:56:22
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 03 September 2015, 13:37:33
I remember reading that the expected production time will be around 3 weeks and then they're expected to ship within a week after that, is that correct? Would be supercool if you could put that in the OP :)Awesome, that's actually pretty fast.
Post by: Data on Fri, 04 September 2015, 09:36:22
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 04 September 2015, 15:49:44
I'll be placing my order with Gateron shortly thereafter so we can get the ball rolling and get Zealio switches out to people. Order form will still be up at the same price til Sept 30 (and for the Mira people).
Post by: osxoep on Fri, 04 September 2015, 15:52:56
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 04 September 2015, 15:54:36
Where can I get a PCB that supports RGB LEDs and some nice RGB LEDs to fit this switch?
Aftermarket PCBs don't exist yet. They are being developed, however. Special 4 pin RGB LEDs will be stocked by me shortly after I or someone else releases an aftermarket in-switch 4pin RGB PCB.
Post by: inanis on Fri, 04 September 2015, 16:03:48
Orders have slowed down dramatically. No sense in dragging it on for a month. I think I'll keep the Bingecap raffle up til sometime next week. If you want a shot at the raffle, then you should stop procrastinating! :P After next week, the orders will "soft-close", meaning the raffle is gone but orders will still be accepted and at the same GB price.You got me. I ordered. Picked up a cable too. :thumb:
I'll be placing my order with Gateron shortly thereafter so we can get the ball rolling and get Zealio switches out to people. Order form will still be up at the same price til Sept 30 (and for the Mira people).
Post by: micr0n on Fri, 04 September 2015, 17:16:31
Post by: Noko on Fri, 04 September 2015, 18:46:42
Post by: filphil on Fri, 04 September 2015, 19:16:17
Orders have slowed down dramatically. No sense in dragging it on for a month. I think I'll keep the Bingecap raffle up til sometime next week. If you want a shot at the raffle, then you should stop procrastinating! :P After next week, the orders will "soft-close", meaning the raffle is gone but orders will still be accepted and at the same GB price.
I'll be placing my order with Gateron shortly thereafter so we can get the ball rolling and get Zealio switches out to people. Order form will still be up at the same price til Sept 30 (and for the Mira people).
What's the exact date? As long as it's after friday then I'll be good. You know pay day and all
Post by: njbair on Fri, 04 September 2015, 21:26:41
No sense in dragging it on for a month.
Curse you and your ominous raffle threats! I just impulse bought more than I probably would've if I waited until the 30th.
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 04 September 2015, 21:59:32
Stopped my procrastination as ordered sir ;)
Curse you and your ominous raffle threats! I just impulse bought more than I probably would've if I waited until the 30th.
Sounds like you "fixed the glitch" Zeal! :))
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 04 September 2015, 23:44:40
Does Saturday, Sept 12th sound good for you?Orders have slowed down dramatically. No sense in dragging it on for a month. I think I'll keep the Bingecap raffle up til sometime next week. If you want a shot at the raffle, then you should stop procrastinating! :P After next week, the orders will "soft-close", meaning the raffle is gone but orders will still be accepted and at the same GB price.
I'll be placing my order with Gateron shortly thereafter so we can get the ball rolling and get Zealio switches out to people. Order form will still be up at the same price til Sept 30 (and for the Mira people).
What's the exact date? As long as it's after friday then I'll be good. You know pay day and all
Stopped my procrastination as ordered sir ;)Curse you and your ominous raffle threats! I just impulse bought more than I probably would've if I waited until the 30th.
Sounds like you "fixed the glitch" Zeal! :))
:))
Post by: filphil on Fri, 04 September 2015, 23:49:22
Does Saturday, Sept 12th sound good for you?Orders have slowed down dramatically. No sense in dragging it on for a month. I think I'll keep the Bingecap raffle up til sometime next week. If you want a shot at the raffle, then you should stop procrastinating! :P After next week, the orders will "soft-close", meaning the raffle is gone but orders will still be accepted and at the same GB price.
I'll be placing my order with Gateron shortly thereafter so we can get the ball rolling and get Zealio switches out to people. Order form will still be up at the same price til Sept 30 (and for the Mira people).
What's the exact date? As long as it's after friday then I'll be good. You know pay day and allStopped my procrastination as ordered sir ;)Curse you and your ominous raffle threats! I just impulse bought more than I probably would've if I waited until the 30th.
Sounds like you "fixed the glitch" Zeal! :))
:))
That's perfect. <3
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 05 September 2015, 04:21:59
Is it on the 12th or the 30th of September 2015?
Just need to know because I am attracted to buying some switches off you here, just don't know when you'll close it all down.
Post by: 3K on Sat, 05 September 2015, 04:27:13
So Zeal when does this Group Buy of yours officially end?
Is it on the 12th or the 30th of September 2015?
Just need to know because I am attracted to buying some switches off you here, just don't know when you'll close it all down.
IIRC the GB will end as planned on the 30th, but after an uncertain date (the 12th isn't fixed yet I guess) people who order will not get the chance to be included in the Binge raffle.
I planned to wait too, but will now order ASAP.
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 05 September 2015, 04:35:03
IIRC the GB will end as planned on the 30th, but after an uncertain date (the 12th isn't fixed yet I guess) people who order will not get the chance to be included in the Binge raffle.
I planned to wait too, but will now order ASAP.
Thanks, I just ordered via Paypal for some Purple 62g and 67g switches here :thumb: . Curious to fit them out in a Kmac Mini, to see if they are any better than a standard CherryMX switch.
Post by: Phirr on Sat, 05 September 2015, 08:51:49
Post by: filphil on Sat, 05 September 2015, 08:58:40
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 05 September 2015, 09:13:39
Zeal you should also post this update on reddit since you advertised there as well. I'd do it myself except I saw you were the OP in the post there.
If you're referring to the ad up top, it actually expires today. I'll definitely be posting an update on reddit, say -- labour day?
Post by: Karura on Sat, 05 September 2015, 09:26:24
Post by: 3K on Sat, 05 September 2015, 10:55:23
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sat, 05 September 2015, 10:58:07
Just wanted to complete my order and saw the checkbox for the raffle is gone. Does one automatically get a ticket now?
It appears for me. It's not there right away, but after the page has loaded it pops in.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 05 September 2015, 11:25:17
Just wanted to complete my order and saw the checkbox for the raffle is gone. Does one automatically get a ticket now?
The checkbox requires javascript to show.
Post by: jaffers on Sat, 05 September 2015, 12:05:27
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 05 September 2015, 12:09:39
I'm definitely in on these, only complaint is how loaded the website is with JS. Noscript was telling me off for it
Yeah, the app I use to run all the different logic/conditions for each option for custom cables requires JS. :(
Post by: rpeterclark on Sat, 05 September 2015, 16:21:58
Post by: zaarx on Sat, 05 September 2015, 16:43:38
Post by: E3E on Sat, 05 September 2015, 18:14:46
Post by: BobBobFSGG on Sun, 06 September 2015, 00:42:40
Where can I get a PCB that supports RGB LEDs and some nice RGB LEDs to fit this switch?
Aftermarket PCBs don't exist yet. They are being developed, however. Special 4 pin RGB LEDs will be stocked by me shortly after I or someone else releases an aftermarket in-switch 4pin RGB PCB.
Zeal, if you could share a bit - at least from you are there any 60% PCBs coming and if so what are the chances they will fit various existing Poker cases (cable connector cutouts, screw positions, etc.)?
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 06 September 2015, 09:08:06
Where can I get a PCB that supports RGB LEDs and some nice RGB LEDs to fit this switch?
Aftermarket PCBs don't exist yet. They are being developed, however. Special 4 pin RGB LEDs will be stocked by me shortly after I or someone else releases an aftermarket in-switch 4pin RGB PCB.
Zeal, if you could share a bit - at least from you are there any 60% PCBs coming and if so what are the chances they will fit various existing Poker cases (cable connector cutouts, screw positions, etc.)?
That would be the plan / goal.
Post by: bcredbottle on Sun, 06 September 2015, 16:57:52
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 06 September 2015, 18:06:56
Zeal, out of sheer curiosity, would you mind giving a ballpark figure of how many switches were ordered?
There were 12K ordered within the first 3 days I think.
No idea since.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 06 September 2015, 18:34:19
Zeal, out of sheer curiosity, would you mind giving a ballpark figure of how many switches were ordered?
Nowhere near MOQ :))
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 06 September 2015, 18:51:19
So that means you'll be buying a bunch extra and reselling them at slightly higher prices?Zeal, out of sheer curiosity, would you mind giving a ballpark figure of how many switches were ordered?
Nowhere near MOQ :))
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 06 September 2015, 18:59:18
So that means you'll be buying a bunch extra and reselling them at slightly higher prices?Zeal, out of sheer curiosity, would you mind giving a ballpark figure of how many switches were ordered?
Nowhere near MOQ :))
Yes. If more people catch wind about Zealios and they sell out quickly afterwards the GB, then I'll set up a second GB.
Post by: raymogi on Sun, 06 September 2015, 22:49:05
I don't think I'm building a MX board now :(
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 06 September 2015, 22:56:48
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 06 September 2015, 23:27:07
I don't think I'm building a MX board now :(
So you're now too GOOD to ever dirty your hands on CherryMX keyboard, sheesh, now we have these people thinking other switches like ALPs, Thorpies and/or BS being better than our humble Cherry's.
Some people don't know what they've got until they throw it away, good luck loving your NEW type of switch, what ever that may be ^-^ .
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 06 September 2015, 23:30:19
I don't think I'm building a MX board now :(
So you're now too GOOD to ever dirty your hands on CherryMX keyboard, sheesh, now we have these people thinking other switches like ALPs, Thorpies and/or BS being better than our humble Cherry's.
Some people don't know what they've got until they throw it away, good luck loving your NEW type of switch, what ever that may be ^-^ .
(http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.23714961.1120/flat,800x800,070,f.u3.jpg)
Post by: eeymiel on Mon, 07 September 2015, 10:20:16
I'd like to add a cable and lube to my order. How should I do this? Should I cancel my order and reorder everything, or make a new order for only cable and lube and pm you the orders to merge?
Asking it here instead of PM so others know too how you prefer a change in an order.
Post by: raymogi on Mon, 07 September 2015, 10:31:25
I don't think I'm building a MX board now :(
So you're now too GOOD to ever dirty your hands on CherryMX keyboard, sheesh, now we have these people thinking other switches like ALPs, Thorpies and/or BS being better than our humble Cherry's.
Some people don't know what they've got until they throw it away, good luck loving your NEW type of switch, what ever that may be ^-^ .
:cool:
It's not like that at all. I just have this urge to buy things I don't need sometimes and at the time I bought these switches, I don't even plan on building any custom board. Was looking at the GONs but GON himself took almost a month to reply me so I trashed that idea.
I yanked one of my Poker 2 switch, and it's only a Red, and I can't even put it back. How am I suppose to build a whole board from scratch? With that in mind, I might as well cancel the Zealios so it can go to someone else who's going to appreciate it more.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 07 September 2015, 11:03:00
Hey Zeal,
I'd like to add a cable and lube to my order. How should I do this? Should I cancel my order and reorder everything, or make a new order for only cable and lube and pm you the orders to merge?
Asking it here instead of PM so others know too how you prefer a change in an order.
I can't modify orders on my end once it has been paid. The only way for me to properly keep track of inventory & order count is to cancel your current order & issue a full refund. Please PM me your order # and first name if you'd like to make modifications to your order.
Post by: eeymiel on Mon, 07 September 2015, 12:30:13
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Mon, 07 September 2015, 14:03:44
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 07 September 2015, 14:33:43
So if the raffle soft closes on Saturday, will the 10 winners be picked around then, or still somewhere near Zealio delivery date?
It'll be a silent win -- winners will not be announced. The Bingecaps will be included in 10 lucky winners' orders placed before Saturday Sept 12 at 11:59pm PST that ticked the checkbox.
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Mon, 07 September 2015, 14:37:08
Oooh interesting. It's so gonna feel like this opening Zealios, then:So if the raffle soft closes on Saturday, will the 10 winners be picked around then, or still somewhere near Zealio delivery date?
It'll be a silent win -- winners will not be announced. The Bingecaps will be included in 10 lucky winners' orders placed before Saturday Sept 12 at 11:59pm PST that ticked the checkbox.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/p0KXTozbXjktO/giphy.gif)
Minus the spanish inquisition.
Post by: Norman_the_Owl on Mon, 07 September 2015, 14:57:41
holy mother of shipping costs. This keyboard i'm making is going to cost a lot more than i intended lol
Post by: ika on Mon, 07 September 2015, 15:00:47
This keyboard i'm making is going to cost a lot more than i intended lol
said everyone ever making a custom keyboard
Post by: Sed8op8 on Mon, 07 September 2015, 15:08:11
Placed an order of 100if you had intended on modding the caps with springs and clear switch tops there's a chance you might be saving money or at the very least a **** load of time haha congrats and hope you post pics of your board when finished :thumb:
holy mother of shipping costs. This keyboard i'm making is going to cost a lot more than i intended lol
Post by: t8c on Mon, 07 September 2015, 15:26:13
I don't think I'm building a MX board now :(
So you're now too GOOD to ever dirty your hands on CherryMX keyboard, sheesh, now we have these people thinking other switches like ALPs, Thorpies and/or BS being better than our humble Cherry's.
Some people don't know what they've got until they throw it away, good luck loving your NEW type of switch, what ever that may be ^-^ .
:cool:
It's not like that at all. I just have this urge to buy things I don't need sometimes and at the time I bought these switches, I don't even plan on building any custom board. Was looking at the GONs but GON himself took almost a month to reply me so I trashed that idea.
I yanked one of my Poker 2 switch, and it's only a Red, and I can't even put it back. How am I suppose to build a whole board from scratch? With that in mind, I might as well cancel the Zealios so it can go to someone else who's going to appreciate it more.
Do yourself a favor and keep trying :cool: It's very easy actually :)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 07 September 2015, 19:01:29
It's not like that at all. I just have this urge to buy things I don't need sometimes and at the time I bought these switches, I don't even plan on building any custom board. Was looking at the GONs but GON himself took almost a month to reply me so I trashed that idea.
I yanked one of my Poker 2 switch, and it's only a Red, and I can't even put it back. How am I suppose to build a whole board from scratch? With that in mind, I might as well cancel the Zealios so it can go to someone else who's going to appreciate it more.
Don't pay attention to an old pensioner because we are stuck back in time, my comments are only really meant to keep the Zealio Hype Train going and that's all 8) .
He's got access to some fine-ass switches which are really unique looking hence it's worth the buy in because you won't see these being sold everywhere, anytime soon.
Post by: W_hinklebottom on Mon, 07 September 2015, 21:55:18
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 08 September 2015, 05:37:59
Just placed my order! Excited to find something to build now.Hey, I know you from reddit. Happy first post!
Post by: patchythepirate2 on Tue, 08 September 2015, 11:16:58
Can't wait to put these in my Neutrino build!
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 08 September 2015, 16:14:14
I've got the planck coming from MD (whenever that ships), and I'm thinking of building either a 60% cherry board, or an ergodox....the struggle is real.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 08 September 2015, 17:54:46
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 08 September 2015, 20:07:43
I'm pretty sure this was asked somewhere else in this thread, but I can't find it. How many tactile switches is a Zeal lube kit good for?
If lubed properly, 1x 2ml of Thick/Thin micro-vial is enough for a bit over 100 switches. You'll have plenty of spring lube left over for future projects.
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 09 September 2015, 03:38:07
Post by: absyrd on Wed, 09 September 2015, 03:41:27
Pretty freakin cool you've gotten this far with this idea, Zeal.
Post by: VentureG on Wed, 09 September 2015, 06:36:18
Hmmm... When I check out with Paypal it doesn't add the shipping. Will there be a separate invoice for the shipping or how should this work?
Check out with the non-PayPal option, it will lead you to where you can create an account and then there will be another PayPal option that will add shipping. I had the same problem :/
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 09 September 2015, 08:38:00
Hmmm... When I check out with Paypal it doesn't add the shipping. Will there be a separate invoice for the shipping or how should this work?
Check out with the non-PayPal option, it will lead you to where you can create an account and then there will be another PayPal option that will add shipping. I had the same problem :/
Thank you!
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 09 September 2015, 08:54:44
Post by: bcredbottle on Wed, 09 September 2015, 09:19:21
If you actually checkout with the PayPal button, it'll ask you to sign in so it can autofill your shipping information. After you press confirm / pay on PayPal, you'll be redirected back to my site with the shipping info prefilled and you'll see shipping added to the subtotal. Either method will have shipping at the end before you confirm payment.
What if we already paid w/ Paypal?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 09 September 2015, 12:16:02
If you actually checkout with the PayPal button, it'll ask you to sign in so it can autofill your shipping information. After you press confirm / pay on PayPal, you'll be redirected back to my site with the shipping info prefilled and you'll see shipping added to the subtotal. Either method will have shipping at the end before you confirm payment.
What if we already paid w/ Paypal?
I'm not sure if I follow. Every purchaser has already paid for shipping. Both ways will add shipping regardless, it's just how the system works.
Post by: Orgell_Evaan on Wed, 09 September 2015, 14:31:37
I really want to make these switches pop - an alternative would be to solder SMTs onto the board on the through-holes, but there's still interference and heat to worry about, unless I cut reliefs in the bottom of the switch, a job I don't relish doing 110 times.
Post by: Data on Wed, 09 September 2015, 14:52:13
Anyone have experience with putting LEDs like theseShow Image(http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/135-thickbox_default/dip-leds-for-cherry-mx-switches.jpg)(http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/electric-parts/83-dip-leds-for-cherry-mx-switches.html) actually inside the housing? I tried it, and they do fit, slightly pushing out the lock tab, but not interfering with the plunger. The lock tab isn't an issue; it makes the switches fit better in the GON acrylic plate ::shrug:: but I don't want to find out later that I have heat issues and need to strip everything out.
I really want to make these switches pop - an alternative would be to solder SMTs onto the board on the through-holes, but there's still interference and heat to worry about, unless I cut reliefs in the bottom of the switch, a job I don't relish doing 110 times.
What's the current draw on those LEDs? Honestly, at this size and with the low power we're using heat should not be an issue. But even if you're not sure you can always just use a bigger resistor and bring the current down. /shrug
Post by: ccc24 on Wed, 09 September 2015, 15:04:21
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 09 September 2015, 23:56:19
ordered 70 67g purples...lezzz gooo. Forgot to check the box for the binge raffle before i paid but not a big deal I guess.
YES, the Purple Tactile 67g's are very nice ;D .
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 10 September 2015, 01:45:14
And 10x 67g so I can see how they feel. I can always order more springs if I want to change them :D
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 10 September 2015, 03:25:23
And 10x 67g so I can see how they feel. I can always order more springs if I want to change them :D
Oobly old stick, I though you were are hard individual wanting some extra pressure to be applied upon your digits?
The 67s should be sublime with any small keyboard because Korean spring strength isn't as strong as the original Cherry's.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 10 September 2015, 03:33:32
Post by: kekstee on Thu, 10 September 2015, 04:32:49
The new stock Clear I have for testing is far too strong towards the bottom for my taste, while an unlubed 62g Clear feels nice since it retains the bump without the strong cushion. But it's a bit gritty and not snappy at all somehow. So.. meh. I don't know.
Post by: patchythepirate2 on Thu, 10 September 2015, 08:46:29
Post by: eeymiel on Thu, 10 September 2015, 09:35:09
Hey Zeal,
I'd like to add a cable and lube to my order. How should I do this? Should I cancel my order and reorder everything, or make a new order for only cable and lube and pm you the orders to merge?
Asking it here instead of PM so others know too how you prefer a change in an order.
I can't modify orders on my end once it has been paid. The only way for me to properly keep track of inventory & order count is to cancel your current order & issue a full refund. Please PM me your order # and first name if you'd like to make modifications to your order.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 10 September 2015, 10:54:47
So, I read a couple more reviews comparing the weights and I'm leaning more towards 67g now, except that I fear they might be too heavy. Especially that Topre (45 or 55g?) comparison with resistance on top, then not much kind of got me.
The new stock Clear I have for testing is far too strong towards the bottom for my taste, while an unlubed 62g Clear feels nice since it retains the bump without the strong cushion. But it's a bit gritty and not snappy at all somehow. So.. meh. I don't know.
I don't have 55g Topre, so I can't comment on it. I can only say the first half of the travel (including bump) on 67g Zealios reminded me of Topre. The latter half still had that ergo clear-like bottom out with a bit more resistance than 65g Zealios. 65g Zealios are supposed to mimic the "62g ergo clear" feel, without the grittiness and a smoother one fluid motion travel. Please remember that stock MX Clears have a bottom out of 90ish grams, which is a lot heavier than any of the offered spring weight options.
Post by: Orgell_Evaan on Thu, 10 September 2015, 13:59:17
Post by: rainb1ood on Thu, 10 September 2015, 17:31:49
65g Zealios are supposed to mimic the "62g ergo clear" feel, without the grittiness and a smoother one fluid motion travel.
What is the 62g Zealios supposed to mimic?
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 10 September 2015, 18:39:52
65g Zealios are supposed to mimic the "62g ergo clear" feel, without the grittiness and a smoother one fluid motion travel.
What is the 62g Zealios supposed to mimic?
It feels like a slightly bumpier brown that's a tiny bit heavier with a super smooth travel.
Post by: rainb1ood on Thu, 10 September 2015, 18:45:35
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 10 September 2015, 18:48:14
Time to order 65g then! I already have existing order for 62g, please add them together :)
I would actually prefer cancelling your current order so you can place a new updated order. It makes it easier for me when packing and going through the order list so I don't have to look at notes I write down under the order. Could you PM me your name & order #? Thanks.
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 10 September 2015, 18:52:34
65g Zealios are supposed to mimic the "62g ergo clear" feel, without the grittiness and a smoother one fluid motion travel.
What is the 62g Zealios supposed to mimic?
It feels like a slightly bumpier brown that's a tiny bit heavier with a super smooth travel.
Man, I am looking forward to my 62g's!
Post by: Data on Thu, 10 September 2015, 19:05:51
65g Zealios are supposed to mimic the "62g ergo clear" feel, without the grittiness and a smoother one fluid motion travel.
What is the 62g Zealios supposed to mimic?
It feels like a slightly bumpier brown that's a tiny bit heavier with a super smooth travel.
Man, I am looking forward to my 62g's!
oh, fa sho!
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 11 September 2015, 05:08:23
And 10x 67g so I can see how they feel. I can always order more springs if I want to change them :D
Oobly old stick, I though you were are hard individual wanting some extra pressure to be applied upon your digits?
The 67s should be sublime with any small keyboard because Korean spring strength isn't as strong as the original Cherry's.
I'm just a big softy, really... :)
I like my 62g ErgoClears already and I have a bunch of 62g springs I can use if I need to, so I went with 65g. I got just a few 67g so I can try all the types and decide what to use on my actual builds. If 67g turns out to be my "goldilocks" version I'll order a bunch of springs from Zeal. Either of the other 2 weights, I've got what I need.
62g to 67g does seem to be the sweet spot for all MX types, at least for my tastes.
Post by: Phirr on Fri, 11 September 2015, 09:11:37
Post by: cheddarbek on Fri, 11 September 2015, 09:43:13
Post by: inanis on Fri, 11 September 2015, 09:47:00
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 11 September 2015, 11:25:45
Hey Zeal, I placed my order for switches, but I think I might want to add some more, as I have a new project coming in about a week. Is it possible to add to my order without paying shipping twice? Marked it in the comments section of the first order
If you decide to add more later on, send me a PM/Email with your order # and name, and I'll cancel your previous order so you can make a new updated order. :)
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 11 September 2015, 12:50:10
Post by: bcredbottle on Fri, 11 September 2015, 13:09:48
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
When will we know who won the bingecaps?
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Fri, 11 September 2015, 13:14:30
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
:)
Show me what you got!
Post by: ccc24 on Fri, 11 September 2015, 13:18:00
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
anyway you can still get me into the raffle after I submitted my order and forgot to check the raffle box?
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 11 September 2015, 13:40:55
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
When will we know who won the bingecaps?
When the lucky winner unboxes their order of Zealios.
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
anyway you can still get me into the raffle after I submitted my order and forgot to check the raffle box?
PM me your order #
Post by: ccc24 on Fri, 11 September 2015, 13:50:58
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
anyway you can still get me into the raffle after I submitted my order and forgot to check the raffle box?
PM me your order #
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sent thanks.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 11 September 2015, 14:10:38
Individually numbered screen prints! :eek: Can you spot the difference?
(http://i.imgur.com/vT07NzH.jpg)
#10/10
(http://i.imgur.com/ayAuR6w.jpg)
Zeal's :3
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 11 September 2015, 14:29:20
(http://i.imgur.com/92YM8v1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/scGdpcw.jpg)
The other Zealio themed Bingecaps will be a mystery. Even I don't know what caps were put inside of which envelope! ;)
Post by: ccc24 on Fri, 11 September 2015, 14:34:15
Post by: bcredbottle on Fri, 11 September 2015, 14:38:58
Zealio themed Lion Keyng :3Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/92YM8v1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/scGdpcw.jpg)
The other Zealio themed Bingecaps will be a mystery. Even I don't know what caps were put inside of which envelope! ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/VEdG0CW.gif)
Post by: Tyr on Fri, 11 September 2015, 15:53:13
Can't wait for these switches. Probably going to put them on a Planck I ordered from Massdrop with the brass plate. I've been thinking about getting some gold stickers as well. What do you guys think: gorgeous clear "au naturel" switches, or stickered ?
Post by: Durvid on Fri, 11 September 2015, 16:19:30
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 11 September 2015, 16:30:15
Hey Zeal, I'm looking to order some switches but for some reason the only options are 1-day shipping and it starts at $15, which is half the cost of my order O_o. Any way to get slower, cheaper shipping?
Sorry, it's the only option for USA. I explained the reasoning here:
To everyone asking for a cheaper USA shipping method: There's only Canada Post Tracked Packet USA (4-10 business days), and it costs a mere $1-2 less. Canada Post doesn't have the low prices you guys have in the states. Good thing is overnight shipping is well worth it, trust me. ;)
Post by: Durvid on Fri, 11 September 2015, 17:04:58
Hey Zeal, I'm looking to order some switches but for some reason the only options are 1-day shipping and it starts at $15, which is half the cost of my order O_o. Any way to get slower, cheaper shipping?
Sorry, it's the only option for USA. I explained the reasoning here:To everyone asking for a cheaper USA shipping method: There's only Canada Post Tracked Packet USA (4-10 business days), and it costs a mere $1-2 less. Canada Post doesn't have the low prices you guys have in the states. Good thing is overnight shipping is well worth it, trust me. ;)
Dang. Sorry I missed that comment. Maybe I'll just get a few less. We shall see! :D
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 11 September 2015, 17:13:42
Post by: filphil on Fri, 11 September 2015, 17:38:09
Post by: joey on Fri, 11 September 2015, 17:47:27
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 11 September 2015, 17:57:28
Finally placed an order :cool: Can't wait for my Zealio-themed-bingecap!Do you mean if you win one ? I was under the idea that there was 10 caps to be randomly decided to go to 10 of the purchasers who placed there order before this Saturday the 12th
Post by: FreeChemicals on Fri, 11 September 2015, 17:58:18
Finally placed an order :cool: Can't wait for my Zealio-themed-bingecap!Do you mean if you win one ? I was under the idea that there was 10 caps to be randomly decided to go to 10 of the purchasers who placed there order before this Saturday the 12th
I believe this involves bribes.
Post by: shoostep on Fri, 11 September 2015, 18:04:21
Zealio themed Lion Keyng :3Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/92YM8v1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/scGdpcw.jpg)
The other Zealio themed Bingecaps will be a mystery. Even I don't know what caps were put inside of which envelope! ;)
This just makes me more excited to get my hands on those beautiful purple zealio switches!! I went with the 65g :thumb:
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 11 September 2015, 18:47:02
Finally placed an order :cool: Can't wait for my Zealio-themed-bingecap!Do you mean if you win one ? I was under the idea that there was 10 caps to be randomly decided to go to 10 of the purchasers who placed there order before this Saturday the 12th
I believe this involves bribes.
Sorry, I don't accept bribes. :P
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 11 September 2015, 20:06:17
Finally placed an order 8) Can't wait for my Zealio-themed-bingecap!Do you mean if you win one ? I was under the idea that there was 10 caps to be randomly decided to go to 10 of the purchasers who placed there order before this Saturday the 12th
I believe this involves bribes.
Sorry, I don't accept bribes. :p
Only give it to the youngsters who really praise this type of key-cap :thumb: .
Your caps are for those that love to embellish their keyboards with little pieces of sculpture, the youngsters will kill for it.
Just make sure you're not giving it away to any old geezers because we don't care one bit about such things plus we can't even see it without our bifocals.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 11 September 2015, 20:12:28
I, however do accept bribes. Now accepting bids for all the Zealios I currently have (guaranteed to be greater than or equal to zero)!Finally placed an order :cool: Can't wait for my Zealio-themed-bingecap!Do you mean if you win one ? I was under the idea that there was 10 caps to be randomly decided to go to 10 of the purchasers who placed there order before this Saturday the 12th
I believe this involves bribes.
Sorry, I don't accept bribes.
Post by: StormyMonday on Fri, 11 September 2015, 23:07:30
Just make sure you're not giving it away to any old geezers because we don't care one bit about such things plus we can't even see it without our bifocals.
Sad, but true! :(
Post by: bocahgundul on Sat, 12 September 2015, 09:06:22
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 12 September 2015, 09:22:57
I just want to ask whats the difference between zealios 67g and topre, I dont know if I want to join this gb or just saving for another topre. :)
MX style switches will never be able to replicate the full Topre experience. I can only say that 67g Zealios has reminded a couple testers of it.
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 12 September 2015, 17:39:55
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 12 September 2015, 19:56:02
MX style switches will never be able to replicate the full Topre experience. I can only say that 67g Zealios has reminded a couple testers of it.
Glad I went all 67g then 8) .
I knew that had to be the final choice because you need a little push back like a 55g Thorpie.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 12 September 2015, 23:01:58
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 12 September 2015, 23:29:14
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 13 September 2015, 02:20:44
A bit under 3 hours left til Bingecap raffle closes!
Click Clacks are nothing compared to this beauty. All those key-cap fanatics wanting a unique cap in their collection, better get serious and order some Z Switches now :thumb: .
Post by: effectiveduck on Sun, 13 September 2015, 03:39:25
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 13 September 2015, 04:45:32
How do the 62g springs compare to the ones from originative or GON?
No comment as I don't have springs from either vendor. However that begs the question, would users really be swapping out the pre-installed 62g gold spring with some other 62g springs? Do remember that due to the smoothness of the slider & housing, many users will find the 65g or 67g to have a closer resemblance of their currant "62g ergo clears".
Post by: filphil on Sun, 13 September 2015, 04:49:21
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 13 September 2015, 05:02:14
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks siding on the lighter side of ergo clears is a good thing. :(
Nothing wrong with having an abnormal preference, the world would be a very boring place if everyone liked the same things :)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 13 September 2015, 06:20:04
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks siding on the lighter side of ergo clears is a good thing. :(
Nothing wrong with having an abnormal preference, the world would be a very boring place if everyone liked the same things :)
YES we are the ABNORMALS because some people love to use Tactile Greys and Greens with such passion simply because we love the feel of them :thumb: .
Post by: Oobly on Sun, 13 September 2015, 07:34:38
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks siding on the lighter side of ergo clears is a good thing. :(
You're not alone. I like light switches also, but want as much tactility as possible. I'm going to be trying all kinds of springs in these, including stock Brown springs.
Post by: filphil on Sun, 13 September 2015, 08:28:30
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks siding on the lighter side of ergo clears is a good thing. :(
You're not alone. I like light switches also, but want as much tactility as possible. I'm going to be trying all kinds of springs in these, including stock Brown springs.
Thank you for giving me company :thumb:
I'm curious on how these would feel with 60g or 55g gold springs.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 13 September 2015, 11:24:53
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks siding on the lighter side of ergo clears is a good thing. :(
You're not alone. I like light switches also, but want as much tactility as possible. I'm going to be trying all kinds of springs in these, including stock Brown springs.
Thank you for giving me company :thumb:
I'm curious on how these would feel with 60g or 55g gold springs.
You're not alone. I have a customer that plans on using 55g springs in purple zealios.
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 13 September 2015, 11:43:24
A bit under 3 hours left til Bingecap raffle closes!
Good luck to everyone in the raffle and anyone that gets in before the raffle ends.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 13 September 2015, 14:49:58
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 13 September 2015, 15:16:45
Unfortunately I've been pretty much ****ed over in my plan to sell my laptop by a guy on reddit, so I don't think I'll be able to get in on this in time. Really disappointed, I hope I can at least get in before the buy ends.Have you tried hardware swap
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 13 September 2015, 15:20:15
Yeah, I had posted it there originally, just got held out all week by this really high rep guy saying he was going to buy, then he never did. Just reposted today. Fingers crossed.Unfortunately I've been pretty much ****ed over in my plan to sell my laptop by a guy on reddit, so I don't think I'll be able to get in on this in time. Really disappointed, I hope I can at least get in before the buy ends.Have you tried hardware swap
Post by: njbair on Sun, 13 September 2015, 15:22:22
Too bad I didn't get more stuff sold so I could buy some of these.
Ironic because I almost PM'd you about that Ergo Pro, but decided to use that money for Zealios instead.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 13 September 2015, 15:23:49
Shot through the heart :PToo bad I didn't get more stuff sold so I could buy some of these.
Ironic because I almost PM'd you about that Ergo Pro, but decided to use that money for Zealios instead.
Post by: dante on Sun, 13 September 2015, 18:25:44
Shot through the heart :PToo bad I didn't get more stuff sold so I could buy some of these.
Ironic because I almost PM'd you about that Ergo Pro, but decided to use that money for Zealios instead.
AND YOU'RE TO BLAME, DARLING
YOU GIVE LOVE A BAD NAME!
Post by: apolotary on Sun, 13 September 2015, 23:49:58
Post by: effectiveduck on Sun, 13 September 2015, 23:59:53
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 14 September 2015, 00:18:58
Since the orders are soft-closing this week, is there any ETA on switches? Just curious :)Goal is to have switches on hand before end of September.
1 last question about the springs, does each variety use the same springs for each weight? So does the 65g purple tact use the same spring as the 65g clean linear?
Yes, of course.
Post by: effectiveduck on Mon, 14 September 2015, 00:49:58
Post by: quake4mhg on Mon, 14 September 2015, 01:17:58
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 14 September 2015, 01:52:31
soft-closing this week? Isn't it the end of September? Anyway just ordered :) I didn't use localpickup, cos you must be busy at the time. Thanks Zeal.
Soft close was just when raffle closed. I've already placed my order with Gateron, but will still collect orders til the end of the month.
And...as for your delivery address...I'll just walk over next door (mall wise). Pretty awkward moment...haha
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 14 September 2015, 02:06:27
soft-closing this week? Isn't it the end of September? Anyway just ordered :) I didn't use localpickup, cos you must be busy at the time. Thanks Zeal.
Soft close was just when raffle closed. I've already placed my order with Gateron, but will still collect orders til the end of the month.
And...as for your delivery address...I'll just walk over next door (mall wise). Pretty awkward moment...haha
Let us all know here who is that LUCKY Devil who has received this unique Cap 8) .
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 14 September 2015, 02:13:40
soft-closing this week? Isn't it the end of September? Anyway just ordered :) I didn't use localpickup, cos you must be busy at the time. Thanks Zeal.
Soft close was just when raffle closed. I've already placed my order with Gateron, but will still collect orders til the end of the month.
And...as for your delivery address...I'll just walk over next door (mall wise). Pretty awkward moment...haha
Let us all know here who is that LUCKY Devil who has received this unique Cap 8) .
Can't disclose that as it'll be a silent win til the winners open their Zealio packages. ;)
Post by: Zorberema on Mon, 14 September 2015, 02:37:54
A bit under 3 hours left til Bingecap raffle closes!
Awesome! Is there any way that I could edit my order to include one 62 and 65g for adding to my switch tester/ testing for future builds? :)
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 14 September 2015, 03:10:18
A bit under 3 hours left til Bingecap raffle closes!
Awesome! Is there any way that I could edit my order to include one 62 and 65g for adding to my switch tester/ testing for future builds? :)
Could you please PM me your order #?
Post by: effectiveduck on Mon, 14 September 2015, 04:22:46
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 14 September 2015, 07:26:32
I don't know why but this is so much harder a decision than most, probably because of the aussie dollar but would it be a possibility to buy different weighted springs later?
I don't see why not: http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/18k-gold-plated-springs-100pcs
Post by: effectiveduck on Mon, 14 September 2015, 07:34:57
Are they sprit springs or the zealios springs? If they're the zealios ones then I'll just add some to my order :thumb:I don't know why but this is so much harder a decision than most, probably because of the aussie dollar but would it be a possibility to buy different weighted springs later?
I don't see why not: http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/18k-gold-plated-springs-100pcs
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 14 September 2015, 08:50:43
Can't disclose that as it'll be a silent win til the winners open their Zealio packages. ;)
Sheet, you got me all excited about knowing who the lucky beggar is.
Alas I never selected the box for this key-cap so who ever receives theirs, please post it here so that the whole GH crew can nash their teeth in extreme jealousy 8) .
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 14 September 2015, 11:52:51
Are they sprit springs or the zealios springs? If they're the zealios ones then I'll just add some to my order :thumb:I don't know why but this is so much harder a decision than most, probably because of the aussie dollar but would it be a possibility to buy different weighted springs later?
I don't see why not: http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/18k-gold-plated-springs-100pcs
It's unlikely that I'll have the 62g/65g/67g springs listed on my site after the switches are made. The remaining springs in the above listing are the 100-135g sprit springs.
Post by: StormyMonday on Mon, 14 September 2015, 13:56:11
Are they sprit springs or the zealios springs? If they're the zealios ones then I'll just add some to my order :thumb:I don't know why but this is so much harder a decision than most, probably because of the aussie dollar but would it be a possibility to buy different weighted springs later?
I don't see why not: http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/18k-gold-plated-springs-100pcs
It's unlikely that I'll have the 62g/65g/67g springs listed on my site after the switches are made. The remaining springs in the above listing are the 100-135g sprit springs.
Many of us are purchasing an assortment of switches, so that we can home in on our own, personal Grail. We won't know what we prefer, until we've had a week, or two of testing under our belts. Please maintain a selection of springs for at least a couple of months, so that we can make adjustments, if necessary. :thumb:
Post by: asgeirtj on Mon, 14 September 2015, 14:29:50
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 14 September 2015, 15:12:47
Do I understand this soft close correctly that now you will order switches according to what people have ordered before the 12th and will consequently send them out when you get them from Gateron?
I've placed a large order, including those that the GB participants have ordered. When I receive the packages, I'll be fulfilling the orders so I don't end up with a huge amount to fulfill at the end of the month.
Post by: Skuloth on Mon, 14 September 2015, 15:22:00
Do I understand this soft close correctly that now you will order switches according to what people have ordered before the 12th and will consequently send them out when you get them from Gateron?
I've placed a large order, including those that the GB participants have ordered. When I receive the packages, I'll be fulfilling the orders so I don't end up with a huge amount to fulfill at the end of the month.
Infinite excitement.
Post by: quake4mhg on Mon, 14 September 2015, 16:12:09
Quote
And...as for your delivery address...I'll just walk over next door (mall wise). Pretty awkward moment...hahaWhat? What? I don't expect we're this close :D
I got the refund, thank you very much Zeal!
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 14 September 2015, 19:03:17
I've placed a large order, including those that the GB participants have ordered. When I receive the packages, I'll be fulfilling the orders so I don't end up with a huge amount to fulfill at the end of the month.
Neat, finally shall be trying out some Gaterons, need to see what all this fuss is about.......
Post by: ElectroPulse on Tue, 15 September 2015, 15:45:07
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 15 September 2015, 16:00:51
I'm having trouble finding the picture that is referenced with an LED installed... Could someone point it out to me? I'd like to see how the pins of an RGB LED exit the switch.
I don't have a picture of the LED in the switch, but it utilizes the same holes that the LED and in-switch diodes use.
(http://puu.sh/jhAuy/358b98e5b1.jpg)
and here's a spec sheet for the LED
(http://puu.sh/jhJTw/6fe8cc3702.jpg)
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 15 September 2015, 17:41:21
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 15 September 2015, 17:46:27
I'm sorry fi someone already asked this, but will these switches work with normal LED holes as well?Yes
Post by: ElectroPulse on Tue, 15 September 2015, 18:27:38
Oh, it comes with the LED already built in? Or is that the spec sheet for a specific LED that is compatible with the switch?I'm having trouble finding the picture that is referenced with an LED installed... Could someone point it out to me? I'd like to see how the pins of an RGB LED exit the switch.I don't have a picture of the LED in the switch, but it utilizes the same holes that the LED and in-switch diodes use.
*snip*
and here's a spec sheet for the LED
*snip*
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 15 September 2015, 18:33:44
It doesn't come with any LEDs, that sheet is just for 4 pin RGB LEDs that this switch is designed to work with.Oh, it comes with the LED already built in? Or is that the spec sheet for a specific LED that is compatible with the switch?I'm having trouble finding the picture that is referenced with an LED installed... Could someone point it out to me? I'd like to see how the pins of an RGB LED exit the switch.I don't have a picture of the LED in the switch, but it utilizes the same holes that the LED and in-switch diodes use.
*snip*
and here's a spec sheet for the LED
*snip*
Post by: ElectroPulse on Tue, 15 September 2015, 18:46:12
Ah, alright, thanks!It doesn't come with any LEDs, that sheet is just for 4 pin RGB LEDs that this switch is designed to work with.Oh, it comes with the LED already built in? Or is that the spec sheet for a specific LED that is compatible with the switch?I'm having trouble finding the picture that is referenced with an LED installed... Could someone point it out to me? I'd like to see how the pins of an RGB LED exit the switch.I don't have a picture of the LED in the switch, but it utilizes the same holes that the LED and in-switch diodes use.
*snip*
and here's a spec sheet for the LED
*snip*
Post by: derezzed on Tue, 15 September 2015, 22:03:46
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 15 September 2015, 22:25:09
I like MX Browns. I think I prefer the tactility and actuation force of MX Blues but I don't like the click. MX Blacks are too heavy for my taste. Which Zealios switch would the people who've tried these recommend to me? And would you recommend lubing them or not? Also, is using LEDs more trouble than it's worth for a hand-wired keyboard?
62g Purple Zealios wouldn't be too far away from the weight of MX Browns. Though 65g and 67g aren't that far away either, however they have their own unique tactile feedback. 65g and 67g Purple Zealios have been the most popular thus far. For reference, MX Blacks have a bottom out force of roughly 78g-80g.
As for lubing, that is completely up to the end user. Are you one to go for 100% every time, or will 85-90% be good enough? Knowing where to properly lube and how much lube to use is also dependent on your personal tastes so you'll just have to try it and see if it's worth your time.
Re: hand wiring, it would definitely complicate things due to the limited space available per row/column. You'll also need to attach resistors to every LED and whatnot.
Post by: StormyMonday on Wed, 16 September 2015, 03:39:35
I like MX Browns. I think I prefer the tactility and actuation force of MX Blues but I don't like the click. MX Blacks are too heavy for my taste. Which Zealios switch would the people who've tried these recommend to me? And would you recommend lubing them or not? Also, is using LEDs more trouble than it's worth for a hand-wired keyboard?
For backlight, you might consider using Enabler (or similar) PCBs.
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 16 September 2015, 06:08:26
I like MX Browns. I think I prefer the tactility and actuation force of MX Blues but I don't like the click. MX Blacks are too heavy for my taste. Which Zealios switch would the people who've tried these recommend to me? And would you recommend lubing them or not? Also, is using LEDs more trouble than it's worth for a hand-wired keyboard?
62g Purple Zealios wouldn't be too far away from the weight of MX Browns. Though 65g and 67g aren't that far away either, however they have their own unique tactile feedback. 65g and 67g Purple Zealios have been the most popular thus far. For reference, MX Blacks have a bottom out force of roughly 78g-80g.
As for lubing, that is completely up to the end user. Are you one to go for 100% every time, or will 85-90% be good enough? Knowing where to properly lube and how much lube to use is also dependent on your personal tastes so you'll just have to try it and see if it's worth your time.
Re: hand wiring, it would definitely complicate things due to the limited space available per row/column. You'll also need to attach resistors to every LED and whatnot.
Dumb question, how are 65's compared to MX clears? I find clears a little too heavy for long distance typing, but could be heavier than MX Browns.
Thanks
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 16 September 2015, 11:40:28
I like MX Browns. I think I prefer the tactility and actuation force of MX Blues but I don't like the click. MX Blacks are too heavy for my taste. Which Zealios switch would the people who've tried these recommend to me? And would you recommend lubing them or not? Also, is using LEDs more trouble than it's worth for a hand-wired keyboard?
62g Purple Zealios wouldn't be too far away from the weight of MX Browns. Though 65g and 67g aren't that far away either, however they have their own unique tactile feedback. 65g and 67g Purple Zealios have been the most popular thus far. For reference, MX Blacks have a bottom out force of roughly 78g-80g.
As for lubing, that is completely up to the end user. Are you one to go for 100% every time, or will 85-90% be good enough? Knowing where to properly lube and how much lube to use is also dependent on your personal tastes so you'll just have to try it and see if it's worth your time.
Re: hand wiring, it would definitely complicate things due to the limited space available per row/column. You'll also need to attach resistors to every LED and whatnot.
Dumb question, how are 65's compared to MX clears? I find clears a little too heavy for long distance typing, but could be heavier than MX Browns.
Thanks
65g Purple Zealios are what I consider to be the "perfect" ergo-clear switch. Nice, drawn out tactile bump. However this is my own personal opinion, and to each their own. :))
Post by: SuperBo on Wed, 16 September 2015, 12:11:15
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Post by: Zeal on Wed, 16 September 2015, 22:05:33
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 17 September 2015, 05:34:07
Post by: filphil on Thu, 17 September 2015, 05:35:52
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 17 September 2015, 07:07:28
It was supposed to have ended this passed Saturday. So yeah it's over :(
Argh well. Maybe I'll get lucky in the hyperfuse sticker contest
Post by: derezzed on Thu, 17 September 2015, 21:38:02
I like MX Browns. I think I prefer the tactility and actuation force of MX Blues but I don't like the click. MX Blacks are too heavy for my taste. Which Zealios switch would the people who've tried these recommend to me? And would you recommend lubing them or not? Also, is using LEDs more trouble than it's worth for a hand-wired keyboard?
62g Purple Zealios wouldn't be too far away from the weight of MX Browns. Though 65g and 67g aren't that far away either, however they have their own unique tactile feedback. 65g and 67g Purple Zealios have been the most popular thus far. For reference, MX Blacks have a bottom out force of roughly 78g-80g.
As for lubing, that is completely up to the end user. Are you one to go for 100% every time, or will 85-90% be good enough? Knowing where to properly lube and how much lube to use is also dependent on your personal tastes so you'll just have to try it and see if it's worth your time.
Re: hand wiring, it would definitely complicate things due to the limited space available per row/column. You'll also need to attach resistors to every LED and whatnot.
So, the ratings of the Zealios switches are for bottom-out force and not actuation force? Which of these switches has an actuation force that is closest to Cherry MX Blue? Is it heavier or lighter than MX Blue?
I appreciate all the information from you and the reviewers but making a decision is so difficult: the light, springiness of 62g; the "perfect balance" of 65g; or the comparison of 67g to Topre (which I've never tried but have always wanted to) with its high actuation point. Oh, the anguish of the mechanical keyboard enthusiast.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 17 September 2015, 21:40:17
Post by: t8c on Fri, 18 September 2015, 08:40:16
Post by: jamster on Fri, 18 September 2015, 09:01:53
Post by: toneman77 on Fri, 18 September 2015, 13:05:00
Just when I thought I would build my first mech with gateron yellows, Zeal came along.
btw: hell of a nice guy regarding questions to the shop & shipping.
Hope these switches come before christmas *excited*
Post by: Digitize on Sat, 19 September 2015, 10:15:54
Post by: daviswalkers on Sat, 19 September 2015, 13:02:08
Might of got it fixed so far it seems to be the clear gateron stem that makes it feel mushy, I have swapped the stem + top cover for a cherry part and that is perfect, also used the gateron top + a cherry black stem which also feels perfect so it seems it might just be stabilised gateron stems acting odd as all the other keys are perfect O>OAhh I also have the clear gateron although the springs are 68g so I didn't think it would of been that.Humm I might just switch out the backspace and space bar to a heavy spring and use a cherry switch instead for those two to see if that will fix the issue otherwise everything seems to be fine, also to note I did just check with a SP space bar and that is not mush at all :X might just be GMK not liking gateron :XPut my Hyperfuse on my new keyboard to use in the meantime while I wait for the replacement F6 looks nice only problem I have but unsure if this is a common thing or my problem the backspace and spacebar feel super mushy as though they are getting caught on the upstroke is this a common thing with GMK and gateron switches? :X
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/fire_brand15/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/fire_brand15/media/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg.html)
i had a very similar feeling on a keyboard with gateron clears, the backspace in particular felt like it was mushy and came back up in slow motion, but wasnt caught on anything, i put it down to the weight of the springs and just havent played around with it since
i only had this issue with gateron clears, id bare in mind that gmk keys will be somewhat heavier than sp
Could it be the stem gateron use, might try swapping a gateron black into it then a cherry red stem to see if that helps if not just replace the entire switch, I'm also wondering my stab I got with the pcb (Sprit) did not have the little bend in it do you think that would make a difference? :X also sorry for all the question first time with gmk anything :X
as i say, i didnt spend much time with the issue, but ive certainly only experienced it with gateron clears, so lemme know what you find out switches things around
Also to note I have just tried a gateron black stem which gives the same mushy feeling when used otherwise cherry stems are perfect and seem to work without issue, well I guess I know what I can now do with all those Red stems I have lying around :X
pretty interesting stuff, im sure some keyboard wizard smarter than me will be able to work out the issue
i just tested a gateron clear on a few boards and replicated the issue every time, but havent had it with any other switch
Have any of the testers experienced anything like this with these? I know they're completely different than what Gateron but was wondering if these also had this issue.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 19 September 2015, 13:09:46
MorePut my Hyperfuse on my new keyboard to use in the meantime while I wait for the replacement F6 looks nice only problem I have but unsure if this is a common thing or my problem the backspace and spacebar feel super mushy as though they are getting caught on the upstroke is this a common thing with GMK and gateron switches? :X
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/fire_brand15/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/fire_brand15/media/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg.html)
i had a very similar feeling on a keyboard with gateron clears, the backspace in particular felt like it was mushy and came back up in slow motion, but wasnt caught on anything, i put it down to the weight of the springs and just havent played around with it since
Humm I might just switch out the backspace and space bar to a heavy spring and use a cherry switch instead for those two to see if that will fix the issue otherwise everything seems to be fine, also to note I did just check with a SP space bar and that is not mush at all :X might just be GMK not liking gateron :X
i only had this issue with gateron clears, id bare in mind that gmk keys will be somewhat heavier than sp
Ahh I also have the clear gateron although the springs are 68g so I didn't think it would of been that.
Could it be the stem gateron use, might try swapping a gateron black into it then a cherry red stem to see if that helps if not just replace the entire switch, I'm also wondering my stab I got with the pcb (Sprit) did not have the little bend in it do you think that would make a difference? :X also sorry for all the question first time with gmk anything :X
as i say, i didnt spend much time with the issue, but ive certainly only experienced it with gateron clears, so lemme know what you find out switches things around
Might of got it fixed so far it seems to be the clear gateron stem that makes it feel mushy, I have swapped the stem + top cover for a cherry part and that is perfect, also used the gateron top + a cherry black stem which also feels perfect so it seems it might just be stabilised gateron stems acting odd as all the other keys are perfect O>O
Also to note I have just tried a gateron black stem which gives the same mushy feeling when used otherwise cherry stems are perfect and seem to work without issue, well I guess I know what I can now do with all those Red stems I have lying around :X
pretty interesting stuff, im sure some keyboard wizard smarter than me will be able to work out the issue
i just tested a gateron clear on a few boards and replicated the issue every time, but havent had it with any other switch
Have any of the testers experienced anything like this with these? I know they're completely different than what Gateron but was wondering if these also had this issue.
It has to do with a tighter top half clearance that Gateron had designed to prevent dust/grime from getting in.
From my brief testing with GMK Row 1 caps (Ctrl, alt, windows, etc) it doesn't catch on the RGB switchtops as I had it slightly modified to enlarge the guiding rails a tiny bit. On my old batch of Gaterons with milky tops, those same keys would occasionally catch if hit off center.
Livingspeedbump and CPT have tried to replicate it, but didn't find any issues thus far.
Post by: daviswalkers on Sat, 19 September 2015, 13:11:59
Humm I might just switch out the backspace and space bar to a heavy spring and use a cherry switch instead for those two to see if that will fix the issue otherwise everything seems to be fine, also to note I did just check with a SP space bar and that is not mush at all :X might just be GMK not liking gateron :XMorePut my Hyperfuse on my new keyboard to use in the meantime while I wait for the replacement F6 looks nice only problem I have but unsure if this is a common thing or my problem the backspace and spacebar feel super mushy as though they are getting caught on the upstroke is this a common thing with GMK and gateron switches? :X
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/fire_brand15/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/fire_brand15/media/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg.html)
i had a very similar feeling on a keyboard with gateron clears, the backspace in particular felt like it was mushy and came back up in slow motion, but wasnt caught on anything, i put it down to the weight of the springs and just havent played around with it since
i only had this issue with gateron clears, id bare in mind that gmk keys will be somewhat heavier than sp
Ahh I also have the clear gateron although the springs are 68g so I didn't think it would of been that.
Could it be the stem gateron use, might try swapping a gateron black into it then a cherry red stem to see if that helps if not just replace the entire switch, I'm also wondering my stab I got with the pcb (Sprit) did not have the little bend in it do you think that would make a difference? :X also sorry for all the question first time with gmk anything :X
as i say, i didnt spend much time with the issue, but ive certainly only experienced it with gateron clears, so lemme know what you find out switches things around
Might of got it fixed so far it seems to be the clear gateron stem that makes it feel mushy, I have swapped the stem + top cover for a cherry part and that is perfect, also used the gateron top + a cherry black stem which also feels perfect so it seems it might just be stabilised gateron stems acting odd as all the other keys are perfect O>O
Also to note I have just tried a gateron black stem which gives the same mushy feeling when used otherwise cherry stems are perfect and seem to work without issue, well I guess I know what I can now do with all those Red stems I have lying around :X
pretty interesting stuff, im sure some keyboard wizard smarter than me will be able to work out the issue
i just tested a gateron clear on a few boards and replicated the issue every time, but havent had it with any other switch
Have any of the testers experienced anything like this with these? I know they're completely different than what Gateron but was wondering if these also had this issue.
It has to do with a tighter top half clearance that Gateron had designed to prevent dust/grime from getting in.
From my brief testing with GMK Row 1 caps (Ctrl, alt, windows, etc) it doesn't catch on the RGB switchtops as I had it slightly modified to enlarge the guiding rails a tiny bit. On my old batch of Gaterons with milky tops, those same keys would occasionally catch if hit off center.
Livingspeedbump and CPT have tried to replicate it, but didn't find any issues thus far.
Good to hear I personally haven't had major issues with my Gateron + GMK however I do notice it on the NUM+ so doubt it will be a noticable problem with these switches :D
Post by: elfick on Sat, 19 September 2015, 23:42:54
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 20 September 2015, 00:11:12
Any chance of a tester set? One of each of the six options?
Not at the moment, maybe for second revisions.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 21 September 2015, 03:22:58
Post by: UTEster750 on Mon, 21 September 2015, 05:20:24
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.
Getting so hyped zeal! Don't even have any keyboard for the switches but still exciting for when I get all the parts. :D
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 21 September 2015, 05:31:44
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.You're still open for orders until the 30th though, right?
Post by: asgeirtj on Mon, 21 September 2015, 08:02:02
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.
Does it ship directly to us or to you and then you send them to us?
Post by: sth on Mon, 21 September 2015, 08:09:22
Post by: Elth on Mon, 21 September 2015, 11:22:37
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.
Getting so hyped zeal! Don't even have any keyboard for the switches but still exciting for when I get all the parts. :D
In the same boat. Ordered these for the Mira, but will be so tempted to use these switches as they sit on my desk.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 21 September 2015, 11:41:24
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.You're still open for orders until the 30th though, right?
Correct.
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.
Does it ship directly to us or to you and then you send them to us?
Switches will be shipped to me. I'll be doing the individual shipping.
Post by: Altis on Mon, 21 September 2015, 20:48:09
Having said that, can't wait to get them in!
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 22 September 2015, 02:38:52
Honestly, I don't even know why I come around this site anymore. It's like setting my wallet on fire and throwing it out the window.
Haha........welcome to Geekhack, backdoor to Salem - home of Wallet Burning at the Stake.
Prepare to be routinely purified and cleansed by this method for each and every Group Buy held at this place 8) .
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 22 September 2015, 09:39:53
Honestly, I don't even know why I come around this site anymore. It's like setting my wallet on fire and throwing it out the window.What's a wallet?
Having said that, can't wait to get them in!
I would transfer all my paycheck to GH account every month if possible, for gb purposes
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 22 September 2015, 14:43:56
Anyone in the UK thinking of buying and want to split shipping / vat / customs costs? :p
I can do, sorry, I missed this. I can PM Zeal and PM you and we can sort it if you want?
Post by: grav3serker on Tue, 22 September 2015, 20:26:35
It's finally here! Purple (Tactile) & Clear (Linear) Zealio switch GB IS NOW LIVE! >>Order Here! (http://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders)
Question for you Zeal! I saw that it said shipping will be 1-2 weeks. I'm moving at the end of October and I was wondering what the probability of that ETA is. I would hate to have the package arrive after I've already moved! I really want to participate in the GB though! Those 65g Purples look amazing! Cheers!
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 22 September 2015, 20:32:32
It's finally here! Purple (Tactile) & Clear (Linear) Zealio switch GB IS NOW LIVE! >>Order Here! (http://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders)
Question for you Zeal! I saw that it said shipping will be 1-2 weeks. I'm moving at the end of October and I was wondering what the probability of that ETA is. I would hate to have the package arrive after I've already moved! I really want to participate in the GB though! Those 65g Purples look amazing! Cheers!
I'll be importing the shipment from Gateron at the end of September, and it'll take 2-3 days to arrive to my place. I'll then be working on shipping out all the orders in the order they came in and depending on the shipping option you chose, you would receive it within 1-3 days (DHL) or 6-10 business days (untracked, under 250g) for int'l shipments outside of CA/USA
Post by: grav3serker on Tue, 22 September 2015, 20:51:42
It's finally here! Purple (Tactile) & Clear (Linear) Zealio switch GB IS NOW LIVE! >>Order Here! (http://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders)
Question for you Zeal! I saw that it said shipping will be 1-2 weeks. I'm moving at the end of October and I was wondering what the probability of that ETA is. I would hate to have the package arrive after I've already moved! I really want to participate in the GB though! Those 65g Purples look amazing! Cheers!
I'll be importing the shipment from Gateron at the end of September, and it'll take 2-3 days to arrive to my place. I'll then be working on shipping out all the orders in the order they came in and depending on the shipping option you chose, you would receive it within 1-3 days (DHL) or 6-10 business days (untracked, under 250g) for int'l shipments outside of CA/USA
Cool! Thanks man. I'll try my luck!
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Tue, 22 September 2015, 21:59:13
Didn't really have anything else constructive to say, just thought i'd say something to bump this thread.
Looking forward to my bag o' switches!
Post by: ViệtNV on Tue, 22 September 2015, 22:37:09
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Post by: swornxin on Wed, 23 September 2015, 16:46:38
Post by: korrelate on Thu, 24 September 2015, 00:29:07
One question: are these stems totally compatible with stock Cherry switch housings?
My board is switch top-removable and I'm planning to circle back and tackle all of the soldering lateron [sic], but seriously. When these arrive, I just want to drop the stems right into my board - am I in for any surprises? From the pics I've seen these look totally compatible with existing housings. Can anybody confirm?
Cheers,
K
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 24 September 2015, 00:49:06
Say hi to my new home for my didn't-make-MOQ-Classic-Beige-GB cash.
One question: are these stems totally compatible with stock Cherry switch housings?
My board is switch top-removable and I'm planning to circle back and tackle all of the soldering lateron [sic], but seriously. When these arrive, I just want to drop the stems right into my board - am I in for any surprises? From the pics I've seen these look totally compatible with existing housings. Can anybody confirm?
Cheers,
K
The tactile purple Zealios should be compatible with Cherry MX housings, though the optimal smoothness would be achieved if used in its stock transparent housing.
Post by: korrelate on Thu, 24 September 2015, 12:40:05
Any chance you can drop some stems in some cherry housings just to be sure? It's much easier to throw $100+ bucks at a "they do" than it is to throw them at a "they should."
cheers,
K
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 24 September 2015, 13:41:41
Thanks for the reply Zeal!
Any chance you can drop some stems in some cherry housings just to be sure? It's much easier to throw $100+ bucks at a "they do" than it is to throw them at a "they should."
cheers,
K
Just tested the purple slider - works perfectly normal in Cherry housings.
The linear clear slider in a Cherry housing however has a super tiny tactile bump towards the end of the keystroke (3mmish) due to the way the linear legs were made and the slight difference that the Cherry leaves are bent (linear legs are ever so slightly angled higher which causes the Cherry leaf's bent copper to fall into the upper portion of the leg).
(http://i.imgur.com/bqrtVFn.jpg)
In their native transparent housings, everything works normal as always.
Post by: korrelate on Thu, 24 September 2015, 15:01:33
Post by: Zustiur on Fri, 25 September 2015, 06:19:04
The waiting begins.
Post by: strict on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:18:43
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:25:01
Order submitted for 100 x 67g Zealiosi ordered the 65's I am debating on getting enough 67's for a ctrlalt 60 gon :eek: very excited I am thank you for this Zealio :cool:
Post by: strict on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:39:35
Order submitted for 100 x 67g Zealiosi ordered the 65's I am debating on getting enough 67's for a ctrlalt 60 gon :eek: very excited I am thank you for this Zealio :cool:
I went with the 67s because of the reports that said they feel similar to Thorpies :)
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 25 September 2015, 09:44:34
I think I read the same review. I think I chose the 65g's because it was reported they are a little snappier on the upstroke but I think I'm going to have to order the 67g's also because that's what I have on my gon (67g ergo clears) and it is by far my favorite cherry switch to type on and the more I wear it in the better it seems to feel :))Order submitted for 100 x 67g Zealiosi ordered the 65's I am debating on getting enough 67's for a ctrlalt 60 gon :eek: very excited I am thank you for this Zealio :cool:
I went with the 67s because of the reports that said they feel similar to Thorpies :)
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 September 2015, 18:55:01
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 25 September 2015, 19:06:22
I wonder if someone has a picture comparing the Purple's stem and Cherry's clear stem. Particularly in the side where the stems actually touch and activate the switch contacts.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1847867#msg1847867
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1848929#msg1848929
(http://i.imgur.com/T2lbgCI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9MkRTj9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 September 2015, 19:11:58
I wonder if someone has a picture comparing the Purple's stem and Cherry's clear stem. Particularly in the side where the stems actually touch and activate the switch contacts.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1847867#msg1847867 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1847867#msg1847867)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1848929#msg1848929 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1848929#msg1848929)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T2lbgCI.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9MkRTj9.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
Is it an optical illusion, or the purple's bump is a little bit softer than the one on a gray / clear's stem?
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 25 September 2015, 19:25:55
I wonder if someone has a picture comparing the Purple's stem and Cherry's clear stem. Particularly in the side where the stems actually touch and activate the switch contacts.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1847867#msg1847867 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1847867#msg1847867)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1848929#msg1848929 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1848929#msg1848929)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T2lbgCI.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9MkRTj9.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
Is it an optical illusion, or the purple's bump is a little bit softer than the one on a gray / clear's stem?
It's an optical illusion.
(http://puu.sh/jESbt/822c34ca6a.jpg)
This shot shows how grainy the MX Clear mould is.
(http://puu.sh/jESbW/fff644c82a.jpg)
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 September 2015, 20:14:09
Post by: trenzafeeds on Fri, 25 September 2015, 20:34:24
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 September 2015, 21:01:48
Post by: Karura on Fri, 25 September 2015, 21:07:04
Sold for some purples; but, I need help to decide on the spring's module: My preferred switch is an Ergo Clear with 65g golden springs I got from Sprit, what would be the closest purple to that modded Clear.
I have the 65g sprit springs, as well as 65g zealio samples. I'd say they're not comparable at all, because the zealio stem is a lot smoother. You literally can't compare side by side, but with the 65g sprit spring in the zealio, it is very similar.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 September 2015, 21:09:20
Sold for some purples; but, I need help to decide on the spring's module: My preferred switch is an Ergo Clear with 65g golden springs I got from Sprit, what would be the closest purple to that modded Clear.
I have the 65g sprit springs, as well as 65g zealio samples. I'd say they're not comparable at all, because the zealio stem is a lot smoother. You literally can't compare side by side, but with the 65g sprit spring in the zealio, it is very similar.
Do you think that purples with stronger springs may be closer to Ergo Clears than 65g?
Post by: Karura on Fri, 25 September 2015, 23:05:15
Sold for some purples; but, I need help to decide on the spring's module: My preferred switch is an Ergo Clear with 65g golden springs I got from Sprit, what would be the closest purple to that modded Clear.
I have the 65g sprit springs, as well as 65g zealio samples. I'd say they're not comparable at all, because the zealio stem is a lot smoother. You literally can't compare side by side, but with the 65g sprit spring in the zealio, it is very similar.
Do you think that purples with stronger springs may be closer to Ergo Clears than 65g?
Sorry, it's impossible to put into words. Basically they're exactly the same as ergo clears, I don't know how to get more "closer to Ergo Clears", as they are literally the same thing. The only difference is that the Gateron stem is machined better than Cherry, so it is smoother, which leads to a better feeling.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 26 September 2015, 15:52:25
Sold for some purples; but, I need help to decide on the spring's module: My preferred switch is an Ergo Clear with 65g golden springs I got from Sprit, what would be the closest purple to that modded Clear.
I have the 65g sprit springs, as well as 65g zealio samples. I'd say they're not comparable at all, because the zealio stem is a lot smoother. You literally can't compare side by side, but with the 65g sprit spring in the zealio, it is very similar.
Do you think that purples with stronger springs may be closer to Ergo Clears than 65g?
Sorry, it's impossible to put into words. Basically they're exactly the same as ergo clears, I don't know how to get more "closer to Ergo Clears", as they are literally the same thing. The only difference is that the Gateron stem is machined better than Cherry, so it is smoother, which leads to a better feeling.
Thank you for your comment, I am just trying to understand what spring module may feel closer to ergo-clears, I know they are not the same, and that the mold Gateron is using has a smoother surface than Cherry's; this means, they would feel lighter, even with the same force.
Post by: filphil on Sat, 26 September 2015, 16:22:20
Sold for some purples; but, I need help to decide on the spring's module: My preferred switch is an Ergo Clear with 65g golden springs I got from Sprit, what would be the closest purple to that modded Clear.
I have the 65g sprit springs, as well as 65g zealio samples. I'd say they're not comparable at all, because the zealio stem is a lot smoother. You literally can't compare side by side, but with the 65g sprit spring in the zealio, it is very similar.
Do you think that purples with stronger springs may be closer to Ergo Clears than 65g?
Sorry, it's impossible to put into words. Basically they're exactly the same as ergo clears, I don't know how to get more "closer to Ergo Clears", as they are literally the same thing. The only difference is that the Gateron stem is machined better than Cherry, so it is smoother, which leads to a better feeling.
Thank you for your comment, I am just trying to understand what spring module may feel closer to ergo-clears, I know they are not the same, and that the mold Gateron is using has a smoother surface than Cherry's; this means, they would feel lighter, even with the same force.
Someone related. I have a set of stock clear springs to throw in to my zealios for trial. I'm interested in feeling the difference between the molds at that weight.
Post by: olijuice on Sat, 26 September 2015, 21:20:12
I had originally only wanted to try Zealios 62g gram tactiles, but I feel like I'll be missing out if I never try out the other weights so I had to order all three because the Butt-hole Surfers once said "...It's better to regret something you did than something you didn't do..." -RHCP
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 26 September 2015, 21:35:02
I just want to say a big thank you to Zeal. I've probably changed my order three times now, and every time he's been real helpful with the process. For Cherry switches I've been a Brown user and I recently tried Clears again after a long time of not typing on them. At first I thought they were too heavy for my liking but recently I have a new liking to them. I think I will probably really like them and get used to them after typing on them for a long period of time, so I am going to give them a few weeks for me to get used to them again.
I had originally only wanted to try Zealios 62g gram tactiles, but I feel like I'll be missing out if I never try out the other weights so I had to order all three because the Butt-hole Surfers once said "...It's better to regret something you did than something you didn't do..." -RHCP
So Zeal, when do you start putting customer testimonials on your website?
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 27 September 2015, 01:23:46
I just want to say a big thank you to Zeal. I've probably changed my order three times now, and every time he's been real helpful with the process. For Cherry switches I've been a Brown user and I recently tried Clears again after a long time of not typing on them. At first I thought they were too heavy for my liking but recently I have a new liking to them. I think I will probably really like them and get used to them after typing on them for a long period of time, so I am going to give them a few weeks for me to get used to them again.
I had originally only wanted to try Zealios 62g gram tactiles, but I feel like I'll be missing out if I never try out the other weights so I had to order all three because the Butt-hole Surfers once said "...It's better to regret something you did than something you didn't do..." -RHCP
So Zeal, when do you start putting customer testimonials on your website?
Haha, I'll consider it. Though word of mouth has a greater impact. :)
Post by: zombimuncha on Sun, 27 September 2015, 02:57:21
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 28 September 2015, 12:26:22
as the end of the GB approaches, is there a better estimate of what the post-GB price markup is likely to be? Will there be a big difference?
I'll be confirming a figure tonight/tomorrow.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 28 September 2015, 12:40:07
Post by: LeandreN on Mon, 28 September 2015, 12:41:03
I should put my order in lol.Nah, wait until the last minute.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 28 September 2015, 12:43:10
I should put my order in lol.Nah, wait until the last minute.
+1, adrenaline injection is better than other drugs, it is free, and safe.
Post by: LeandreN on Mon, 28 September 2015, 12:43:35
HahaI should put my order in lol.Nah, wait until the last minute.
+1, adrenaline injection is better than other drugs, it is free, and safe.
Post by: MrRooks on Mon, 28 September 2015, 16:04:56
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 28 September 2015, 16:06:26
Is there something (other than aesthetics)different between these and a standard Gateron clear with a spring swap?
Gateron clears aren't like MX clears. They're (35g I believe) linears.
Post by: MrRooks on Mon, 28 September 2015, 16:08:39
Is there something (other than aesthetics)different between these and a standard Gateron clear with a spring swap?
Gateron clears aren't like MX clears. They're (35g I believe) linears.
Yeah I just realized that, is there a Gateron version of the clear or is this it?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 28 September 2015, 16:08:58
Is there something (other than aesthetics)different between these and a standard Gateron clear with a spring swap?
These switches all come with an RGB switch top which "fixes" the reported "catching" on certain switches/keycap configs. The RGB top is even tighter than current Gateron tops. Other than that, you can say that it's a prettier looking Gateron clear (linear) with a gold spring swap.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 28 September 2015, 16:10:20
Is there something (other than aesthetics)different between these and a standard Gateron clear with a spring swap?
Gateron clears aren't like MX clears. They're (35g I believe) linears.
Yeah I just realized that, is there a Gateron version of the clear or is this it?
Pretty sure clears are unique to Cherry branded switches, besides these.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 28 September 2015, 16:11:58
Is there something (other than aesthetics)different between these and a standard Gateron clear with a spring swap?
Gateron clears aren't like MX clears. They're (35g I believe) linears.
Yeah I just realized that, is there a Gateron version of the clear or is this it?
Purple Zealios are the only "MX Clear" like stem out in the market with modifications to further enhance the user experience.
Post by: tern21 on Mon, 28 September 2015, 18:24:54
Post by: ideus on Mon, 28 September 2015, 18:30:48
When do you think that these will be in our hands?
Cut to the chase ha!
:p
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Mon, 28 September 2015, 19:21:09
When do you think that these will be in our hands?Before the next olympics
Post by: ideus on Mon, 28 September 2015, 19:24:38
When do you think that these will be in our hands?Before the next olympics
Don't disappoint him.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 28 September 2015, 19:56:56
I should put my order in lol.Nah, wait until the last minute.
+1, adrenaline injection is better than other drugs, it is free, and safe.
You want FREE adrenaline coursing through your veins, then start a fight at the Kalgoorlie's Palace Hotel and Gold Bar. Best to smash someone in the face with their famous glass, ash trays.
You'll get a rush like you've never experienced and hopefully don't get stabbed along the way, as you really get high on a traditional pub brawl like in the good old days.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 28 September 2015, 21:13:02
When do you think that these will be in our hands?Zeal is planning a coordinated release along with Half Life 3.
Post by: bcredbottle on Mon, 28 September 2015, 22:09:55
Post by: njbair on Mon, 28 September 2015, 22:35:26
You guys are ducks. Zeal will deliver.Never any doubt! Just picking on the impatient types.
Post by: rjradical on Mon, 28 September 2015, 23:36:58
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Post by: korrelate on Tue, 29 September 2015, 01:29:46
Nice work Zeal!
Cheers,
K
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 29 September 2015, 05:50:59
Ordered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 29 September 2015, 06:37:55
Ordered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 29 September 2015, 06:38:47
Gon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Post by: ideus on Tue, 29 September 2015, 07:11:27
Gon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Apparently he is struggling with orders that include assembling, but for stock parts the delivery times are within weeks. To be fair, I'd say the quality of the PCBs is great.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 29 September 2015, 07:36:12
Gon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Apparently he is struggling with orders that include assembling, but for stock parts the delivery times are within weeks. To be fair, I'd say the quality of the PCBs is great.
I ordered pretty much all the parts for a nerd60 in july and had them within a month
just assemble it yourself! It's a ton of fun and really not that hard
Post by: ideus on Tue, 29 September 2015, 07:57:42
Gon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Apparently he is struggling with orders that include assembling, but for stock parts the delivery times are within weeks. To be fair, I'd say the quality of the PCBs is great.
I ordered pretty much all the parts for a nerd60 in july and had them within a month
just assemble it yourself! It's a ton of fun and really not that hard
I am glad I did the assembly myself; even, I dissipated the myth of SMD soldering.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 29 September 2015, 07:58:19
How hard is it? I'm scaredGon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Apparently he is struggling with orders that include assembling, but for stock parts the delivery times are within weeks. To be fair, I'd say the quality of the PCBs is great.
I ordered pretty much all the parts for a nerd60 in july and had them within a month
just assemble it yourself! It's a ton of fun and really not that hard
I am glad I did the assembly myself; even, I dissipated the myth of SMD soldering.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 29 September 2015, 08:06:54
How hard is it? I'm scaredGon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Apparently he is struggling with orders that include assembling, but for stock parts the delivery times are within weeks. To be fair, I'd say the quality of the PCBs is great.
I ordered pretty much all the parts for a nerd60 in july and had them within a month
just assemble it yourself! It's a ton of fun and really not that hard
I am glad I did the assembly myself; even, I dissipated the myth of SMD soldering.
It is just a matter of patience; with the proper soldering iron with a flat thin tip and liquid flux - the type that comes in a pen - is doable. Try it with an old scrap circuit board, before to move to your expensive new PCB. I also used very thin soldering filler lead, but I learned that this is not a requisite, but helps.
Check this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42824.msg1873838#msg1873838)out, it was my main source of information.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 29 September 2015, 09:19:38
How hard is it? I'm scaredGon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Apparently he is struggling with orders that include assembling, but for stock parts the delivery times are within weeks. To be fair, I'd say the quality of the PCBs is great.
I ordered pretty much all the parts for a nerd60 in july and had them within a month
just assemble it yourself! It's a ton of fun and really not that hard
I am glad I did the assembly myself; even, I dissipated the myth of SMD soldering.
I never soldered before in my life and managed to solder the smd parts no problem
GON has the option to have a presoldered pcb in which all the soldering for diodes and resistors (for side and in switch lighting) are already done and doesn't cost that much more - this is what I did as he has them sitting around ready to ship
The part that will take the longest is getting the housing made but last time I spoke to him it could be done in <3 weeks
Post by: rjradical on Tue, 29 September 2015, 09:29:44
As far as soldering goes the best bet for solder iron is either a Weller WES51 or Hakko FX888D (digital will allow for better control of temp.). Unless you have access to an older Weller unit. They are of better quality and are work horses.
As stated, practice with an old board or buy a practice bread-board. SMD (Surface Mount Device) soldering is not really hard but takes patience and a small flat tip is best.
Keep the tip of the iron tinned (solder) while soldering and when you finish soldering put a glob of solder on the tip. It helps to keep the tip from oxidizing.
MX/Gateron switches, diodes and any other component with leads can be soldered with a pointed tip iron.
Note: Purchase Hakko solder tips from reputable source and not ebay. They are more than likely knock offs.
Post by: ika on Tue, 29 September 2015, 10:28:28
Also FWIW, I made an order of six PCBs from winkeyless and a buttload of parts on the 18th, including one with soldered controller/RGB/resistors/diodes, and I received the entire package on the 25th. I was floored at how fast I got everything.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 29 September 2015, 10:44:07
Also FWIW, I made an order of six PCBs from winkeyless and a buttload of parts on the 18th, including one with soldered controller/RGB/resistors/diodes, and I received the entire package on the 25th. I was floored at how fast I got everything.
Do you know how long the housings take from them? Wanted to get a b.mini for my gf
Post by: strict on Tue, 29 September 2015, 11:40:58
Thank you for the info on the GON and Winkeyless.
As far as soldering goes the best bet for solder iron is either a Weller WES51 or Hakko FX888D (digital will allow for better control of temp.). Unless you have access to an older Weller unit. They are of better quality and are work horses.
As stated, practice with an old board or buy a practice bread-board. SMD (Surface Mount Device) soldering is not really hard but takes patience and a small flat tip is best.
Keep the tip of the iron tinned (solder) while soldering and when you finish soldering put a glob of solder on the tip. It helps to keep the tip from oxidizing.
MX/Gateron switches, diodes and any other component with leads can be soldered with a pointed tip iron.
Note: Purchase Hakko solder tips from reputable source and not ebay. They are more than likely knock offs.
Weller WES50 here and I adore this thing. I've had it for close to 10 years now and it never lets me down. Tips are cheap and easy to find and its got plenty of power even for big jobs.
Post by: ika on Tue, 29 September 2015, 11:46:11
Do you know how long the housings take from them? Wanted to get a b.mini for my gf
My entire order included six PCBs (one fully soldered, the rest bare), three sets of housings, and on-board components for everything. Sent the order Sept 18 morning, shipped out Sept 24 morning from Korea, received Sept 25 afternoon in eastern US.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 29 September 2015, 11:51:25
Do you know how long the housings take from them? Wanted to get a b.mini for my gf
My entire order included six PCBs (one fully soldered, the rest bare), three sets of housings, and on-board components for everything. Sent the order Sept 18 morning, shipped out Sept 24 morning from Korea, received Sept 25 afternoon in eastern US.
Damn that's impressive - they must have some pretty serious logistics
Post by: thaddeus on Tue, 29 September 2015, 11:54:21
65g Tactile here we gooooo! These are my first purchase for my first 60%. Planning on building it myself -- I was looking at the Sprit PCB's, but may have to look into what Gon makes.
My poor wallet :(
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 29 September 2015, 12:06:58
Waited until the last minute...but I could no longer resit :)
65g Tactile here we gooooo! These are my first purchase for my first 60%. Planning on building it myself -- I was looking at the Sprit PCB's, but may have to look into what Gon makes.
My poor wallet :(
Gon's are gonna be a bit better, though certainly more expensive. If you're willing to shell out $110 for a PCB, the wireless Nerd60 is amazing.
Post by: Karura on Tue, 29 September 2015, 17:59:28
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 29 September 2015, 18:12:42
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 29 September 2015, 18:21:36
Finally joined... in for 200 67g :)
I don't know what to which ones to get and how many ugh! :confused:
I was having a hard justifying the price for myself until I realized I spent a combined $120 for 100x Clear Switch Tops, 100x Vintage Blues, and 100x 62g Sprit Springs. $75 for 100x Zealios doesn't sound bad at all.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 29 September 2015, 18:24:29
Finally joined... in for 200 67g :)
I don't know what to which ones to get and how many ugh! :confused:
I was having a hard justifying the price for myself until I realized I spent a combined $120 for 100x Clear Switch Tops, 100x Vintage Blues, and 100x 62g Sprit Springs. $75 for 100x Zealios doesn't sound bad at all.
I did such a crap job of lubing my switches for my gon that I want to move to something that is done well at the factory - hence my purchase
Have a look at the various reviews posted in the thread - livingspeedbump's was very helpful to me
I don't think you can go wrong with any of them tbh
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 29 September 2015, 18:46:29
Finally joined... in for 200 67g :)
I don't know what to which ones to get and how many ugh! :confused:
I was having a hard justifying the price for myself until I realized I spent a combined $120 for 100x Clear Switch Tops, 100x Vintage Blues, and 100x 62g Sprit Springs. $75 for 100x Zealios doesn't sound bad at all.
I did such a crap job of lubing my switches for my gon that I want to move to something that is done well at the factory - hence my purchase
Have a look at the various reviews posted in the thread - livingspeedbump's was very helpful to me
I don't think you can go wrong with any of them tbh
Decided to go with 100x 65g Tactile, can't wait to get these but now I need to find a board to build them on.
Edit: Oops messed up quotes.
Post by: effectiveduck on Tue, 29 September 2015, 19:12:39
Also sorry zeal! Had to order only 5 clears to keep shipping down :'(
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 29 September 2015, 19:19:40
Sept (25), (26), 27, (28) "Mid-Autumn Festival"
October 1-7: "National Day Golden Week holiday"
http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/china/
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 29 September 2015, 19:24:29
Ugh...China has too many holidays in September/October. :( There's a high chance there's gonna be one more week of waiting. Sorry folks </3
Sept (25), (26), 27, (28) "Mid-Autumn Festival"
October 1-7: "National Day Golden Week holiday"
http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/china/
Oh my god Zeal this buy has been so horribly and completely mismanaged. I can't believe you're subjecting us to yet another arduous delay
/s
In all seriousness, I'm amazed at how quickly this has happened, especially considering the unique quality of the order. No problem at all!
Post by: openmiceagle on Tue, 29 September 2015, 20:10:54
Post by: blai5000 on Tue, 29 September 2015, 20:17:26
Guess that makes me the odd one out of a mob of tactile fans.
Post by: thaddeus on Tue, 29 September 2015, 20:54:27
Waited until the last minute...but I could no longer resit :)
65g Tactile here we gooooo! These are my first purchase for my first 60%. Planning on building it myself -- I was looking at the Sprit PCB's, but may have to look into what Gon makes.
My poor wallet :(
Gon's are gonna be a bit better, though certainly more expensive. If you're willing to shell out $110 for a PCB, the wireless Nerd60 is amazing.
Glad to know, thanks! Oooo he keeps white in stock :p
Where do you usually turn to for cases / stabilizers?
Post by: Altis on Tue, 29 September 2015, 20:55:39
I did the thing and ordered 90 of the 62g linears.
Guess that makes me the odd one out of a mob of tactile fans.
I ordered some linears as well. :thumb:
I'm looking forward to trying 62g, butter smooth linears. I've always found MX Reds just a tad too light, and a bit too gritty. These will be very nice indeed.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 29 September 2015, 22:26:29
Waited until the last minute...but I could no longer resit :)
65g Tactile here we gooooo! These are my first purchase for my first 60%. Planning on building it myself -- I was looking at the Sprit PCB's, but may have to look into what Gon makes.
My poor wallet :(
Gon's are gonna be a bit better, though certainly more expensive. If you're willing to shell out $110 for a PCB, the wireless Nerd60 is amazing.
Glad to know, thanks! Oooo he keeps white in stock :p
Where do you usually turn to for cases / stabilizers?
GON has everything to build your board, stabs, resistors, diodes, leds and so on. The base GON Nerd60 is 55 also, if you do not need the Bluetooth functionality. Beware that he has a backlog for orders that require some extra assembly. It appears he is delivering on of stock ones.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 29 September 2015, 22:32:02
Post by: MEEPhouse on Tue, 29 September 2015, 22:51:12
Post by: thaddeus on Tue, 29 September 2015, 23:43:45
Waited until the last minute...but I could no longer resit :)
65g Tactile here we gooooo! These are my first purchase for my first 60%. Planning on building it myself -- I was looking at the Sprit PCB's, but may have to look into what Gon makes.
My poor wallet :(
Gon's are gonna be a bit better, though certainly more expensive. If you're willing to shell out $110 for a PCB, the wireless Nerd60 is amazing.
Glad to know, thanks! Oooo he keeps white in stock :p
Where do you usually turn to for cases / stabilizers?
GON has everything to build your board, stabs, resistors, diodes, leds and so on. The base GON Nerd60 is 55 also, if you do not need the Bluetooth functionality. Beware that he has a backlog for orders that require some extra assembly. It appears he is delivering on of stock ones.
I pulled up his store this evening...he has it all! $55 seems like a reasonable price -- how does a Bluetooth controller double the price? I'm a bit ignorant. Thanks for the tip.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 30 September 2015, 00:23:55
Waited until the last minute...but I could no longer resit :)
65g Tactile here we gooooo! These are my first purchase for my first 60%. Planning on building it myself -- I was looking at the Sprit PCB's, but may have to look into what Gon makes.
My poor wallet :(
Gon's are gonna be a bit better, though certainly more expensive. If you're willing to shell out $110 for a PCB, the wireless Nerd60 is amazing.
Glad to know, thanks! Oooo he keeps white in stock :p
Where do you usually turn to for cases / stabilizers?
GON has everything to build your board, stabs, resistors, diodes, leds and so on. The base GON Nerd60 is 55 also, if you do not need the Bluetooth functionality. Beware that he has a backlog for orders that require some extra assembly. It appears he is delivering on of stock ones.
I pulled up his store this evening...he has it all! $55 seems like a reasonable price -- how does a Bluetooth controller double the price? I'm a bit ignorant. Thanks for the tip.
Well, I think this discussion does not belong here. Let's concentrate in those nice Zealios, while they are still available.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 30 September 2015, 00:38:34
Post by: hebbler on Wed, 30 September 2015, 09:41:24
Unfortunately it let me send it without a proper subject, so it says (No Subject) ... sorry about that. :-[
Thanks again for offering these, really looking forward to building a few boards with them.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 30 September 2015, 10:35:01
Zeal, I dropped you a PM about adding switches to my existing order. Please let me know if I need to cancel and re-order, or if you can amend my existing order. Either is fine with me.
Unfortunately it let me send it without a proper subject, so it says (No Subject) ... sorry about that. :-[
Thanks again for offering these, really looking forward to building a few boards with them.
Replied. I've cancelled your order so you can place a new one.
In other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 30 September 2015, 10:44:52
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 30 September 2015, 10:45:27
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Awesome news
Post by: ideus on Wed, 30 September 2015, 10:53:05
So is the order deadline still today?
I just check the order page and it is still active. You could try the link in my signature.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 30 September 2015, 11:17:13
So is the order deadline still today?
I'll extend the order and keep the price the same til Oct 9 (or 12), which is when I would expect the shipment to come in. After that day, prices will be adjusted to $1/switch retail without 4% "pp fee".
Post by: ideus on Wed, 30 September 2015, 11:33:20
So is the order deadline still today?
I'll extend the order and keep the price the same til Oct 9 (or 12), which is when I would expect the shipment to come in. After that day, prices will be adjusted to $1/switch retail without 4% "pp fee".
Awesome!
Post by: romevi on Wed, 30 September 2015, 11:38:16
So is the order deadline still today?
I'll extend the order and keep the price the same til Oct 9 (or 12), which is when I would expect the shipment to come in. After that day, prices will be adjusted to $1/switch retail without 4% "pp fee".
Sweet! Gonna order more than I initially thought, then. :thumb:
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 30 September 2015, 12:02:26
So is the order deadline still today?
I'll extend the order and keep the price the same til Oct 9 (or 12), which is when I would expect the shipment to come in. After that day, prices will be adjusted to $1/switch retail without 4% "pp fee".
But did you already send out the switches for the "soft close" of the gb?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 30 September 2015, 12:12:50
So is the order deadline still today?
I'll extend the order and keep the price the same til Oct 9 (or 12), which is when I would expect the shipment to come in. After that day, prices will be adjusted to $1/switch retail without 4% "pp fee".
But did you already send out the switches for the "soft close" of the gb?
?
Switches will come in early October and I'll work on shipping out everyone's preorders first. Soft close was when I had placed my order with Gateron, and wired them the money. Everyone will get a shipping confirmation email once I start shipping out orders.
Post by: StormyMonday on Wed, 30 September 2015, 14:30:12
Ugh...China has too many holidays in September/October. :( There's a high chance there's gonna be one more week of waiting. Sorry folks </3
Sept (25), (26), 27, (28) "Mid-Autumn Festival"
October 1-7: "National Day Golden Week holiday"
http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/china/
Oh my god Zeal this buy has been so horribly and completely mismanaged. I can't believe you're subjecting us to yet another arduous delay
/s
In all seriousness, I'm amazed at how quickly this has happened, especially considering the unique quality of the order. No problem at all!
Agreed; would Zeal again. :thumb:
Post by: mrflow3r on Wed, 30 September 2015, 20:13:50
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 September 2015, 20:43:44
Switches will come in early October and I'll work on shipping out everyone's preorders first. Soft close was when I had placed my order with Gateron, and wired them the money. Everyone will get a shipping confirmation email once I start shipping out orders.
Looking forward to these Chief, you have run this quite well and answered everyone's questions with ease.
Nice to see another BunnyLake in the making here, someone to buy from that is 100% trustworthy :thumb: .
Post by: FunkMasterJ on Wed, 30 September 2015, 22:33:26
Post by: ideus on Wed, 30 September 2015, 22:36:08
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the thread
It should be an error.
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 30 September 2015, 22:39:11
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the thread
In other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 30 September 2015, 22:43:28
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the threadIn other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Ops! sorry for that Funk.
Post by: FunkMasterJ on Wed, 30 September 2015, 22:46:19
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the thread
In other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Thanks I don't know how I missed that. Thats a bummer I guess thats what I get for waiting so long. I'll just have to wait a while until those appear in the store :(
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 30 September 2015, 23:16:24
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the threadIn other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Thanks I don't know how I missed that. Thats a bummer I guess thats what I get for waiting so long. I'll just have to wait a while until those appear in the store :(
There won't be any large quantities of 62gs listed on my store. I did my best to estimate the ratios at which the Zealios would sell at, and obviously underestimated. Maybe there will be a round 2 next year, depending on customer feedback.
I've been saying this a lot, and I'll say it again: if you're going for the 62g ergo clear feel, 65g zealios is where it's at. This is due to the smoothness of the plastic making 62g a bit less tactile feeling. 62g Purple Zealio really feels like a middle ground between a super smooth brown and clear.
Post by: FunkMasterJ on Wed, 30 September 2015, 23:33:09
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the threadIn other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Thanks I don't know how I missed that. Thats a bummer I guess thats what I get for waiting so long. I'll just have to wait a while until those appear in the store :(
There won't be any large quantities of 62gs listed on my store. I did my best to estimate the ratios at which the Zealios would sell at, and obviously underestimated. Maybe there will be a round 2 next year, depending on customer feedback.
I've been saying this a lot, and I'll say it again: if you're going for the 62g ergo clear feel, 65g zealios is where it's at. This is due to the smoothness of the plastic making 62g a bit less tactile feeling. 62g Purple Zealio really feels like a middle ground between a super smooth brown and clear.
Ooooh ok I misunderstood the whole going to a $1 thing in OCT. I thought it would be an ongoing order after a while.
I really love nice worn in browns so I was definitely after the lighter switch with a slightly more pronounced bump than a brown. I debating right now if 65g would be a little too heavy for me personally and just buying an order. I have a bag of 62g springs but IIRC you said they werent the same springs as Spirit
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 30 September 2015, 23:37:18
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the threadIn other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Thanks I don't know how I missed that. Thats a bummer I guess thats what I get for waiting so long. I'll just have to wait a while until those appear in the store :(
There won't be any large quantities of 62gs listed on my store. I did my best to estimate the ratios at which the Zealios would sell at, and obviously underestimated. Maybe there will be a round 2 next year, depending on customer feedback.
I've been saying this a lot, and I'll say it again: if you're going for the 62g ergo clear feel, 65g zealios is where it's at. This is due to the smoothness of the plastic making 62g a bit less tactile feeling. 62g Purple Zealio really feels like a middle ground between a super smooth brown and clear.
Ooooh ok I misunderstood the whole going to a $1 thing in OCT. I thought it would be an ongoing order after a while.
I really love nice worn in browns so I was definitely after the lighter switch with a slightly more pronounced bump than a brown. I debating right now if 65g would be a little too heavy for me personally and just buying an order. I have a bag of 62g springs but IIRC you said they werent the same springs as Spirit
62g gold springs found in Zealios vs the one sprit sells would be very similar. Doubtful that anyone can feel a difference, really. :))
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 01 October 2015, 00:36:29
Post by: romevi on Thu, 01 October 2015, 00:38:30
The original GB period is already over and I'm still confused about spring weights. For comparison, using the same measuring system, what would be the weight of a stock MX Brown spring? And a stock MX Clear spring?It's been extended.
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 01 October 2015, 01:03:26
The original GB period is already over and I'm still confused about spring weights. For comparison, using the same measuring system, what would be the weight of a stock MX Brown spring? And a stock MX Clear spring?
(http://www.knizefamily.net/images/pool/spring-rate-chart.jpg)
You can read more here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46449.0
"Korean" springs are rated to bottom-out. MX doesn't quote their springs ratings, only their switches, and these are rated to actuation, so it differs according to the stem type as well as the spring strength.
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 01 October 2015, 01:37:21
The original GB period is already over and I'm still confused about spring weights. For comparison, using the same measuring system, what would be the weight of a stock MX Brown spring? And a stock MX Clear spring?Show Image(http://www.knizefamily.net/images/pool/spring-rate-chart.jpg)
You can read more here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46449.0
"Korean" springs are rated to bottom-out. MX doesn't quote their springs ratings, only their switches, and these are rated to actuation, so it differs according to the stem type as well as the spring strength.
So all three are pretty similar to MX Brown, and even the 67g is quite a bit lighter than stock MX Clear, yeah?
Post by: blai5000 on Thu, 01 October 2015, 01:57:30
The original GB period is already over and I'm still confused about spring weights. For comparison, using the same measuring system, what would be the weight of a stock MX Brown spring? And a stock MX Clear spring?Show Image(http://www.knizefamily.net/images/pool/spring-rate-chart.jpg)
You can read more here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46449.0
"Korean" springs are rated to bottom-out. MX doesn't quote their springs ratings, only their switches, and these are rated to actuation, so it differs according to the stem type as well as the spring strength.
So all three are pretty similar to MX Brown, and even the 67g is quite a bit lighter than stock MX Clear, yeah?
Yeah, the springs in Zealios are all lighter than MX Black (and thus are lighter than MX Clear), but they're slightly heavier than MX Brown/Reds. From Zeal himself:
62g/65g/67g are all a bit heavier than reds, but lighter than blacks.
And as Oobly said, the smoothness of the switch's stem also affects the required force to bottom out or to actuate. So a 62g spring might feel heavier in an MX Black by Cherry compared to the same spring being used in the smoother Black by Gateron.
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 01 October 2015, 05:25:31
62g/65g/67g are all a bit heavier than reds, but lighter than blacks.
I saw that but I took it to mean "they're all *somewhere* in between Reds and Blacks", rather than "they're all substantially lighter than Blacks"
Thanks!
I'm still trying to make up my mind if I wanna put these in my FC660M. I don't really use it much now that I bat for Team Alps, and my daily driver is a V80MTS-C. But I did recently put some effort into making GMK-TA caps work on it, (incl front legends!) so it'd be a shame to just sell it. Maybe the Zealios would let it be stronger competition for the V80 in teh feelz department. Not sure I can be bothered with all that soldering tho, especially with no dedicated workspace and a 4-year-old zooming around the house...
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 01 October 2015, 07:05:18
62g/65g/67g are all a bit heavier than reds, but lighter than blacks.
I saw that but I took it to mean "they're all *somewhere* in between Reds and Blacks", rather than "they're all substantially lighter than Blacks"
Thanks!
I'm still trying to make up my mind if I wanna put these in my FC660M. I don't really use it much now that I bat for Team Alps, and my daily driver is a V80MTS-C. But I did recently put some effort into making GMK-TA caps work on it, (incl front legends!) so it'd be a shame to just sell it. Maybe the Zealios would let it be stronger competition for the V80 in teh feelz department. Not sure I can be bothered with all that soldering tho, especially with no dedicated workspace and a 4-year-old zooming around the house...
I'd say 67g is around halfway between Black and Red spring strength, perhaps a little stronger. Anyway, I reckon 62 to 67g is definitely the sweet spot for MX switches of all types.
Post by: ika on Thu, 01 October 2015, 12:55:29
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 01 October 2015, 13:58:42
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 01 October 2015, 15:27:52
I got cash now for some switches
But 62g is sold out :|
Is it sold out for pre orders or completely?
As in, do you have stock to sell them at the $1 price?
If so, I'll older some now and then some later
Post by: FunkMasterJ on Thu, 01 October 2015, 15:33:02
Sad.Nope they are out. There may be a round 2 one day but for now the option is for 65g or 67g
I got cash now for some switches
But 62g is sold out :|
Is it sold out for pre orders or completely?
As in, do you have stock to sell them at the $1 price?
If so, I'll older some now and then some later
Post by: Dannzzor on Thu, 01 October 2015, 15:44:21
Post by: romevi on Thu, 01 October 2015, 15:49:02
Or just wait until the orders go out. I wasn't sure which ones I would want, so I ordered 100 of each. I'll probably get rid of the ones I don't like. I have a feeling I'm going to like the 67s
Would you be willing to part with just one 62g? Looking to add it to a switch tester.
Post by: theanyday on Thu, 01 October 2015, 16:00:20
This crappy internet is ruining my life. :-X
Post by: apolotary on Sun, 04 October 2015, 09:07:31
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 04 October 2015, 11:39:13
I ordered 67g switches, but in case if I find them too heavy, I got a pack of 62g springs off massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-cherry-mx-springs). However, are these 62g springs going to have the same weight as in 62g zealio switches?
No.
Massdrop's reselling some of Gateron's stock springs with weird actuation force ratings. The Korean rating is based off of bottom out, so your 62g "massdrop" springs will be heavier than any of the springs offered with Zealios.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 04 October 2015, 12:50:37
I ordered 67g switches, but in case if I find them too heavy, I got a pack of 62g springs off massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-cherry-mx-springs). However, are these 62g springs going to have the same weight as in 62g zealio switches?
No.
Massdrop's reselling some of Gateron's stock springs with weird actuation force ratings. The Korean rating is based off of bottom out, so your 62g "massdrop" springs will be heavier than any of the springs offered with Zealios.
Good explanation.
Post by: apolotary on Sun, 04 October 2015, 13:11:20
I ordered 67g switches, but in case if I find them too heavy, I got a pack of 62g springs off massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-cherry-mx-springs). However, are these 62g springs going to have the same weight as in 62g zealio switches?
No.
Massdrop's reselling some of Gateron's stock springs with weird actuation force ratings. The Korean rating is based off of bottom out, so your 62g "massdrop" springs will be heavier than any of the springs offered with Zealios.
Whoa, somehow I thought 67g zealios would be super heavy, so they are on par with Cherry MX Clear/Ergo Clear then? Good to know :)
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 04 October 2015, 13:27:09
I ordered 67g switches, but in case if I find them too heavy, I got a pack of 62g springs off massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-cherry-mx-springs). However, are these 62g springs going to have the same weight as in 62g zealio switches?
No.
Massdrop's reselling some of Gateron's stock springs with weird actuation force ratings. The Korean rating is based off of bottom out, so your 62g "massdrop" springs will be heavier than any of the springs offered with Zealios.
Whoa, somehow I thought 67g zealios would be super heavy, so they are on par with Cherry MX Clear/Ergo Clear then? Good to know :)
Yeah, the whole point of the purple zealios switches are to offer 3 diff weight variants for ergo clears :P
Post by: ika on Sun, 04 October 2015, 16:17:48
Whoa, somehow I thought 67g zealios would be super heavy, so they are on par with Cherry MX Clear/Ergo Clear then? Good to know :)
"Ergo clears" are a custom mod with Cherry MX Clear stems and 62g Korean springs. Cherry Clears have their own unique spring that (to my knowledge) isn't used in any other MX switch, and is heavier than MX Blacks by a good bit (I think up to ~90-100g bottom out force? can't remember).
Stock MX light springs (blues, reds, browns) bottom out at roughly 55-60g. MX Blacks are closer to 80g bottom out weight, 60g actuation.
Zealios have smoother stems than Cherry MX Clears, so compared to a 62g Ergo Clear, a 65g Zealios would be very similar (less friction -> more force required to match a Cherry switch).
I trust Zeal when he says that Massdrop springs are stock Gateron springs, but I couldn't find any info on bottom out weights compared to Cherry springs. If someone could post that info that would be great, I'm interested in grabbing some Gateron Black springs but it's hard to find the info.
Post by: chilldude_22 on Mon, 05 October 2015, 10:29:59
Sad.
I got cash now for some switches
But 62g is sold out :|
Is it sold out for pre orders or completely?
As in, do you have stock to sell them at the $1 price?
If so, I'll older some now and then some later
If you still want 62g ones, I ordered 80 and have since changed my mind to 67g. I could trade you my 80 62g switches for 80 67g?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 05 October 2015, 14:55:54
The Zealio switch shipment is quite large (~280kg/617lb), and will be shipped over the course of 3-4 days via DHL Express. First shipment should go out on Oct 8. :)
GB order pricing is still available til Oct 9-12ish!
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 05 October 2015, 15:04:09
Small update:
The Zealio switch shipment is quite large (~280kg/617lb), and will be shipped over the course of 3-4 days via DHL Express. First shipment should go out on Oct 8. :)
GB order pricing is still available til Oct 9-12ish!
declared as 10$ gift :))
Post by: icyskyz on Mon, 05 October 2015, 15:05:28
Good news tho! Thank you for the update Zeal!
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 05 October 2015, 16:58:00
Small update:
The Zealio switch shipment is quite large (~280kg/617lb), and will be shipped over the course of 3-4 days via DHL Express. First shipment should go out on Oct 8. :)
GB order pricing is still available til Oct 9-12ish!
declared as 10$ gift :))
I lol'd :))
Post by: ideus on Mon, 05 October 2015, 21:47:55
Small update:
The Zealio switch shipment is quite large (~280kg/617lb), and will be shipped over the course of 3-4 days via DHL Express. First shipment should go out on Oct 8. :)
GB order pricing is still available til Oct 9-12ish!
Over 600 pounds of happiness for us keyboard geeks!
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 06 October 2015, 01:55:52
Small update:
The Zealio switch shipment is quite large (~280kg/617lb), and will be shipped over the course of 3-4 days via DHL Express. First shipment should go out on Oct 8. :)
GB order pricing is still available til Oct 9-12ish!
It's Tempting Tuesday!
Balancing the desire to order more Zealios with my bank balance...
Post by: kindatasty on Tue, 06 October 2015, 09:50:15
So exited! Although I'm not in the Raffle. :(
Post by: samsam on Tue, 06 October 2015, 09:55:09
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GfWJXUh.gif)
Edit: Canada shipping rates suck so bad... :(
Well i have a Brand new KUL ES-87 with cherry mx clears..
Don't really like the board it has a pinging noise and the enter key (when pressed slowly) makes a squeaking noise..
Clearly the board is not lubed correctly..
Never learned how to do that..
So if i where you i would not go with the KUL..
Or if you must you can buy mine hahaha.. :p
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 06 October 2015, 09:58:45
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GfWJXUh.gif)
Edit: Canada shipping rates suck so bad... :(
Well i have a Brand new KUL ES-87 with cherry mx clears..
Don't really like the board it has a pinging noise and the enter key (when pressed slowly) makes a squeaking noise..
Clearly the board is not lubed correctly..
Never learned how to do that..
So if i where you i would not go with the KUL..
Or if you must you can buy mine hahaha.. :p
I don't believe you'll ever find a mass produced keyboard that has lubed switches. That would take up a lot of production time to lube switches that the majority of users will not care about because they don't know the difference.
Post by: harlw on Tue, 06 October 2015, 11:24:49
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 06 October 2015, 19:51:06
Well i have a Brand new KUL ES-87 with cherry mx clears..
Don't really like the board it has a pinging noise and the enter key (when pressed slowly) makes a squeaking noise..
Clearly the board is not lubed correctly..
Never learned how to do that..
So if i where you i would not go with the KUL..
Well sunshine, you just have to simply use GOOGLE and there are heaps of videos and pictures showing you how to lube anything, not just Cherry Switches and keyboards ;D .
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 06 October 2015, 20:27:30
Well sunshine, you just have to simply use GOOGLE and there are heaps of videos and pictures showing you how to lube anything, not just Cherry Switches and keyboards ;D .
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 06 October 2015, 21:38:26
Well sunshine, you just have to simply use GOOGLE and there are heaps of videos and pictures showing you how to lube anything, not just Cherry Switches and keyboards ;D .
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Hahah signature worthy quote and response :thumb:
Post by: Altis on Tue, 06 October 2015, 22:00:11
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GfWJXUh.gif)
Edit: Canada shipping rates suck so bad... :(
Well i have a Brand new KUL ES-87 with cherry mx clears..
Don't really like the board it has a pinging noise and the enter key (when pressed slowly) makes a squeaking noise..
Clearly the board is not lubed correctly..
Never learned how to do that..
So if i where you i would not go with the KUL..
Or if you must you can buy mine hahaha.. :p
Mine has the MX Clears and the ping is quite loud.
In fact, it happens to sound strikingly close to the sound of the crowbar in Half-Life.
I'm hoping the Zealios will cure it.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 07 October 2015, 03:10:21
Post by: Tyr on Wed, 07 October 2015, 05:10:34
It's a long shot I know but has anyone tried these with heavier springs? I'm really liking the MX blacks in my numberpad but Zealios are lighter than them, and I'm planning on lubing so they'll feel even lighter still. No point going stiff if the bump disappears or becomes really pronounced though...
Only reviewers have had them, so probably not. I have a bunch of SPRiT 85g springs coming from another buy in case i don't like the lighter switches.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:18:26
It's a long shot I know but has anyone tried these with heavier springs? I'm really liking the MX blacks in my numberpad but Zealios are lighter than them, and I'm planning on lubing so they'll feel even lighter still. No point going stiff if the bump disappears or becomes really pronounced though...
If you or someone else can drop me a PM reminding me to do this tomorrow, I'll do a little experimentation with the samples I have.
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 07 October 2015, 12:40:33
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GfWJXUh.gif)
Edit: Canada shipping rates suck so bad... :(
Well i have a Brand new KUL ES-87 with cherry mx clears..
Don't really like the board it has a pinging noise and the enter key (when pressed slowly) makes a squeaking noise..
Clearly the board is not lubed correctly..
Never learned how to do that..
So if i where you i would not go with the KUL..
Or if you must you can buy mine hahaha.. :p
Mine has the MX Clears and the ping is quite loud.
In fact, it happens to sound strikingly close to the sound of the crowbar in Half-Life.
I'm hoping the Zealios will cure it.
I reckon they won't. But there's an easy fix just wet the springs with lube on both ends and the ping will be 100% out of our life forever.
On another note: what are you guys planning to experiment with these?
I'm going to try them with 45g-50g-55g-60g-62g-65g-67g-68g-72g (they might work with 45-50g unlike cherry since they are smoother and will stall less) and try lubed variations of springs I will like (I suspect I will only like 65g for a typing board and a 55g-60g or 62g for a gaming board though). There is also the option to test them without the factory lube by wiping it off the leaf.
Post by: bcredbottle on Thu, 08 October 2015, 09:45:19
Small update:
The Zealio switch shipment is quite large (~280kg/617lb), and will be shipped over the course of 3-4 days via DHL Express. First shipment should go out on Oct 8. :)
GB order pricing is still available til Oct 9-12ish!
More
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Post by: Zeal on Thu, 08 October 2015, 16:01:58
Zealios will be landing at Zeal PC HQ tomorrow... :cool: (thanks DHL for the great pricing and speed)
As a Canadian that doesn't celebrate Thanksgivings, I forgot/didn't know that Monday Oct 12 is a holiday... :'( Gives me 3 and a half days to pack though! :))
Other shipment will come in next week.
#hypeisreal
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 08 October 2015, 16:03:41
Post by: queefmonchan on Thu, 08 October 2015, 17:54:02
Post by: Altis on Thu, 08 October 2015, 18:23:58
Awwwww yeah, my desoldering gun is ready!
Just bought one today.
Although it I was going to buy one for these Zealios, I knackered up the spacebar switch on my NMB with Space Invaders, so I need one sooner. :-X
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 09 October 2015, 01:39:37
86kg / 13 boxes have been shipped on Oct 8 (China time)... :cool:
...
#hypeisreal
Awesome news!
86kg of switches.... drool... If you're okay with it, I'd LOVE to see a photo of the whole lot of them at once!
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 09 October 2015, 10:26:46
People that ordered the mini Geekhackers V3 lube vials will have to wait a bit longer. Ming ran out of mini vials and has already re-ordered more. Hopefully he'll have them filled up soon and shipped out asap.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 09 October 2015, 10:36:57
Post by: Invaderevan on Fri, 09 October 2015, 10:37:36
14 boxes ~90kg were shipped yesterday and will be delivered on Tues due to Monday holiday here.
People that ordered the mini Geekhackers V3 lube vials will have to wait a bit longer. Ming ran out of mini vials and has already re-ordered more. Hopefully he'll have them filled up soon and shipped out asap.
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 09 October 2015, 10:46:42
Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 09 October 2015, 11:26:05
Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Which order # are you on? :3
Post by: SergeantFTC on Fri, 09 October 2015, 12:24:03
Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Which order # are you on? :3
He doesn't get the switches until Tuesday. But for your reference, my order number is 1603. Zeal said I was one of the first 3 to order.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 09 October 2015, 12:53:30
Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Which order # are you on? :3
He doesn't get the switches until Tuesday. But for your reference, my order number is 1603. Zeal said I was one of the first 3 to order.
Oh I misinterpreted his message. :) Thanks for clarifying. Shouldn't be too long then! :D
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 09 October 2015, 13:09:16
Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Which order # are you on? :3
He doesn't get the switches until Tuesday. But for your reference, my order number is 1603. Zeal said I was one of the first 3 to order.
Actually, half of the switches come in today. Other half on Tuesday. (shipment was actually closer to 200kg).
Btw, Bingecap drawings have been made. Valid order # entries were placed into random.org. Winners were removed after the #1 order number was selected each time. 194 entries, 10 winners. Odds of winning was ~5.278%, congrats to the (secret) lucky winners. Hope you share what you got! Each Bingecap envelope is numbered from 1-10, the first winner getting #1, second #2 and so on.
Post by: joey on Fri, 09 October 2015, 13:35:19
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 09 October 2015, 13:39:11
Zeal took ~hour to compose that message :P
More like it took him ~hour to reply. I highly doubt he spent roughly an hour typing no more than 100 words. Either way it really doesn't matter. More importantly is that orders are going out soon enough, Zealios hype! ;D
Post by: SergeantFTC on Fri, 09 October 2015, 15:15:35
Actually, half of the switches come in today. Other half on Tuesday. (shipment was actually closer to 200kg).
I happily stand corrected :D
Post by: eeymiel on Fri, 09 October 2015, 15:40:47
People that ordered the mini Geekhackers V3 lube vials will have to wait a bit longer. Ming ran out of mini vials and has already re-ordered more. Hopefully he'll have them filled up soon and shipped out asap.Do you ship this seperately or can I cancel the lube? Sorry want these switches as fast as possible, so I can start my first build :-*
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 09 October 2015, 16:49:40
People that ordered the mini Geekhackers V3 lube vials will have to wait a bit longer. Ming ran out of mini vials and has already re-ordered more. Hopefully he'll have them filled up soon and shipped out asap.Do you ship this seperately or can I cancel the lube? Sorry want these switches as fast as possible, so I can start my first build :-*
Please PM me your order # and details on how you would like to proceed. We can see what options are available.
Post by: cwils0n on Fri, 09 October 2015, 17:21:23
Unfortunately I won't be able to use them for at least a couple of months, but that's the way it goes around here.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 09 October 2015, 17:33:41
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(http://i.imgur.com/WlW4rX1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GWBQB6g.jpg)
Post by: rainb1ood on Fri, 09 October 2015, 17:35:31
Post by: mtl on Fri, 09 October 2015, 18:05:35
Nice! :D :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GWBQB6g.jpg)
Post by: ideus on Fri, 09 October 2015, 18:08:20
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 09 October 2015, 18:51:02
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pvK2U3Z.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/X0DpesX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WlW4rX1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GWBQB6g.jpg)
AAAAhhhhhhhh, far better than the normal Pron we see everyday on the Net 8) .
They look superb but they have to be first soldered into position and used, looking forward to finally getting some Zealios :thumb: .
Post by: SkepticalPotato on Fri, 09 October 2015, 19:37:55
Woah, looks like I was the first with order #1601. :3Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Which order # are you on? :3
He doesn't get the switches until Tuesday. But for your reference, my order number is 1603. Zeal said I was one of the first 3 to order.
BTW thanks a lot Zeal, that's some amazing work you're doing!
Post by: ideus on Fri, 09 October 2015, 19:46:16
Woah, looks like I was the first with order #1601. :3Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Which order # are you on? :3
He doesn't get the switches until Tuesday. But for your reference, my order number is 1603. Zeal said I was one of the first 3 to order.
BTW thanks a lot Zeal, that's some amazing work you're doing!
Well my order's number could not be any larger than it is, maybe it is the very last one; but, for some delicious Zealios the wait is totally justified.
Post by: potatowire on Fri, 09 October 2015, 20:07:36
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 09 October 2015, 21:18:03
I already have the boards im using these on I am officially over hyped
Post by: ideus on Fri, 09 October 2015, 21:20:11
Just ordered 60 more 8) my problem is everytime I change my order I get bumped further down the list haha !
I already have the boards im using these on I am officially over hyped
Hum!, some others' orders may be jumping a few steps up then.
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 10 October 2015, 05:42:59
Post by: Sed8op8 on Sat, 10 October 2015, 06:02:34
I know orders are closed and what have you, but are there are spares or extra's??? (I only just heard about this lol)hey bald :p orders are actually still up by the looks of it at the GB price of $0.75 a switch. He will be changing that to a dollar a switch soon to give us who invested in the GB a perk but I believe there will be extras so go to the first page and hit the link my friend ! Your zealios await :thumb:
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 10 October 2015, 06:27:19
Just ordered 60 more 8) my problem is everytime I change my order I get bumped further down the list haha !There is a list? Where can I see it?
Post by: icyskyz on Sat, 10 October 2015, 06:31:08
I don't think there is a list that you can see. He was probably referring to the different order numbers he got when he made some changes to his order. As the order number increases, his order number gets bumped down the list.Just ordered 60 more 8) my problem is everytime I change my order I get bumped further down the list haha !There is a list? Where can I see it?
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 10 October 2015, 10:05:22
I know orders are closed and what have you, but are there are spares or extra's??? (I only just heard about this lol)
Decided to maintain the GB pricing til I receive my second shipment. After that, it'll be $1/switch.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 10 October 2015, 10:10:03
I know orders are closed and what have you, but are there are spares or extra's??? (I only just heard about this lol)
Decided to maintain the GB pricing til I receive my second shipment. After that, it'll be $1/switch.
I have to update the link in my signature with this information. Thank you again Zeal.
Post by: diqkiq on Sat, 10 October 2015, 12:19:00
Post by: ntitco1 on Sun, 11 October 2015, 04:24:21
I know orders are closed and what have you, but are there are spares or extra's??? (I only just heard about this lol)
Decided to maintain the GB pricing til I receive my second shipment. After that, it'll be $1/switch.
So glad to see this. Instantly submitted my order for those lovely linear switches w/ orange led :P
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 11 October 2015, 21:32:50
(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
Post by: ideus on Sun, 11 October 2015, 21:36:55
I call this "find your order" :p (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
Wow! One of those sweet bags in mine.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 11 October 2015, 21:38:01
I call this "find your order" :p (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)
So the 67g Tactiles have been missed completely because ............ ?
:'( :'( :'( :'(
Post by: Sed8op8 on Sun, 11 October 2015, 21:38:16
I call this "find your order" :P (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)so even though my order probably won't be in this batch (I changed it a couple of times) I cannot tell you how excited I am :p thanks zeal for all your hard work and seeing this throughShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 11 October 2015, 21:42:08
I call this "find your order" :p (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)
So the 67g Tactiles have been missed completely because ............ ?
:'( :'( :'( :'(
67g shipment along with Linear Zealios come in tomorrow/Tuesday via DHL. I only received half my shipment :P
Rest assured, those will be packed up shortly after they come in!
Post by: ideus on Sun, 11 October 2015, 21:59:05
I call this "find your order" :p (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)
So the 67g Tactiles have been missed completely because ............ ?
:'( :'( :'( :'(
67g shipment along with Linear Zealios come in tomorrow/Tuesday via DHL. I only received half my shipment :p
Rest assured, those will be packed up shortly after they come in!
That will be a logistics marvel Zeal.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 11 October 2015, 22:15:21
67g shipment along with Linear Zealios come in tomorrow/Tuesday via DHL. I only received half my shipment :p
Rest assured, those will be packed up shortly after they come in!
LOVE this individual ;D .
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 12 October 2015, 01:26:25
I found mine :D
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/11/3810e9854bfc2e9eb7cd8417463341ee.jpg)
Can't wait to get these :)
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 12 October 2015, 05:06:09
I call this "find your order" :P (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
I found it! I found it! I found my order number! The hype is REAL!
Awesome pics and great work, Zeal! <rubs hands together in glee at the thought of receiving these>
Post by: Sed8op8 on Mon, 12 October 2015, 05:21:09
I call this "find your order" :P (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)AlSO GOOD GOD MAN ! ...DID YOU PACK ALL OF THOSE YOURSELF THIS WEEKEND...? :eek: mother of christ your a machineShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/78440d8fa6896ab97cf87ccc1a5fb077/tumblr_n6lrnoVMBj1qmu7fho3_r1_500.gif)
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 12 October 2015, 05:26:10
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 12 October 2015, 05:30:18
I call this "find your order" :p (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)AlSO GOOD GOD MAN ! ...DID YOU PACK ALL OF THOSE YOURSELF THIS WEEKEND...? :o mother of christ your a machineShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)Show Image(https://33.media.tumblr.com/78440d8fa6896ab97cf87ccc1a5fb077/tumblr_n6lrnoVMBj1qmu7fho3_r1_500.gif)
YES he caught Cody's Disease, known as CTRL/ALT-a-virus :)) .
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 12 October 2015, 05:34:37
Looking forward to playing "find your order" when the second batch is ready to go :)
Post by: SergeantFTC on Mon, 12 October 2015, 07:18:34
Post by: cwils0n on Mon, 12 October 2015, 07:41:31
Thanks for the fast shipping, Zeal.
Post by: LeandreN on Mon, 12 October 2015, 07:43:05
Post by: ideus on Mon, 12 October 2015, 07:44:16
Post by: icyskyz on Mon, 12 October 2015, 07:49:01
HYPED! I have an order in the 67g batch so I guess I have to wait some more.me too! this is some real hype!
Post by: Data on Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:19:06
I call this "find your order" :P (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YbcwJMl.gif)
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 12 October 2015, 08:25:47
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 12 October 2015, 09:22:05
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 12 October 2015, 10:13:46
Post by: krbuck on Mon, 12 October 2015, 11:30:03
I want to build a 60% with a metal case - I love the heavy feel of the Pok3r. I also want to use some kind of Retro themed keys. Any suggestions?
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 12 October 2015, 12:11:21
Post by: linkshine on Mon, 12 October 2015, 13:29:23
I got my shipping notification, but I'm still not quite sure what the project will look like in the end. I have the Carbon keys coming hopefully before the end of the year and a plate from massdrop, but I think I want to use the carbon keys on my Pok3r and build a whole new concept. I'm just not sure what just yet.
I want to build a 60% with a metal case - I love the heavy feel of the Pok3r. I also want to use some kind of Retro themed keys. Any suggestions?
Jukebox, modern Selectric, round 5, most SA profiles have a vintage feel imo
Post by: jerue on Mon, 12 October 2015, 14:16:37
I want to build a 60% with a metal case - I love the heavy feel of the Pok3r. I also want to use some kind of Retro themed keys. Any suggestions?
Depends what kind of retro you want. Modern Selectric is based on the IBM Selectric typewriter, Retro SA is based on the Commodore 64 (so a bit later than the Selectric), Jukebox is based on the 1950's, etc. I think Retro SA with PETSCII caps is the most appealing. All black Modern Selectric is my 2nd favorite.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 12 October 2015, 15:35:47
(http://puu.sh/kHYlG/f6b41ca11a.png)
Post by: krbuck on Mon, 12 October 2015, 15:58:51
I want to build a 60% with a metal case - I love the heavy feel of the Pok3r. I also want to use some kind of Retro themed keys. Any suggestions?
Depends what kind of retro you want. Modern Selectric is based on the IBM Selectric typewriter, Retro SA is based on the Commodore 64 (so a bit later than the Selectric), Jukebox is based on the 1950's, etc. I think Retro SA with PETSCII caps is the most appealing. All black Modern Selectric is my 2nd favorite.
Linkshine, Jerue, thanks for the suggestions. I'm going more for the look than the feel. I love the large legends on the older keyboards and I've used them, though its been a long time.
Might be funny to do modern selectric since I work for IBM, though my favorite design was nuclear copper by techmattr; pic here: http://i.imgur.com/mxk10lz.png (http://i.imgur.com/mxk10lz.png)
I'd love to do something similar.
Cheers and thanks for the suggestions on how to use these switches!
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 12 October 2015, 16:14:06
DHL pls. :'( Why can you move packages but not deliver on a holiday :'(Now this... This is exciting news!!!Show Image(http://puu.sh/kHYlG/f6b41ca11a.png)
Post by: ntitco1 on Mon, 12 October 2015, 16:25:03
DHL pls. :'( Why can you move packages but not deliver on a holiday :'(Show Image(http://puu.sh/kHYlG/f6b41ca11a.png)
Is this linear & 67g shipment?
Post by: LeandreN on Mon, 12 October 2015, 16:27:44
Hype
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 12 October 2015, 17:00:11
Ha! I ordered one of those a couple of days ago from your site :) Unfortunately, Mechanical Keyboards ran out of the PCB I wanted... To GON I go, I suppose!!!Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/12/3360554f91808144fc401b70c25dcc51.jpg)
Hype
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 12 October 2015, 17:01:38
DHL pls. :'( Why can you move packages but not deliver on a holiday :'(Show Image(http://puu.sh/kHYlG/f6b41ca11a.png)
Is this linear & 67g shipment?
Ya.
Post by: Ngt on Mon, 12 October 2015, 17:21:47
Post by: njbair on Mon, 12 October 2015, 20:20:56
Post by: ideus on Mon, 12 October 2015, 20:32:49
Can't wait! Should I be worried if I haven't gotten a shipping notification for my 65g tactile switches yet?
I do not think so bro, we are in a long waiting line that's all.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 12 October 2015, 21:03:46
Can't wait! Should I be worried if I haven't gotten a shipping notification for my 65g tactile switches yet?
Printing labels and packing orders take longer than putting them in bags. Notifications will come soon™
Post by: njbair on Mon, 12 October 2015, 21:06:26
Thanks. Just being paranoid.Can't wait! Should I be worried if I haven't gotten a shipping notification for my 65g tactile switches yet?
Printing labels and packing orders take longer than putting them in bags. Notifications will come soon™
Post by: steve.v on Mon, 12 October 2015, 23:57:15
Nice! :D :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GWBQB6g.jpg)
its sooo purdy....
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Tue, 13 October 2015, 00:11:28
I call this "find your order" :P (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
I think, i spy my order!
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 13 October 2015, 02:04:16
Nice! :D :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GWBQB6g.jpg)
its sooo purdy....
Like Yogurt Cases of Perfection, you can gobble them up with such enthusiasm :D .
Post by: SergeantFTC on Tue, 13 October 2015, 10:32:08
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 13 October 2015, 12:27:56
When do you think the first orders will actually get mailed out?
If you got a shipping notification, your orders will go out today. Haven't updated this thread with as much pictures as i wanted, as most quick snaps have been going on instagram :P
Pics!
Canada post int'l mail, Canada post domestic (left, right)
(http://i.imgur.com/yci964v.jpg)
Shipments via DHL (USA/Int'l)
(http://i.imgur.com/HdoLyEu.jpg)
Wall-o-boxes
(http://i.imgur.com/pkp4ns1.jpg)
Recycling switch containers
(http://i.imgur.com/K6kztGB.jpg)
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 13 October 2015, 12:29:37
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 13 October 2015, 12:54:32
When do you think the first orders will actually get mailed out?
If you got a shipping notification, your orders will go out today. Haven't updated this thread with as much pictures as i wanted, as most quick snaps have been going on instagram :P
Pics!
Canada post int'l mail, Canada post domestic (left, right)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yci964v.jpg)
Shipments via DHL (USA/Int'l)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HdoLyEu.jpg)
Wall-o-boxesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/pkp4ns1.jpg)
Recycling switch containersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/K6kztGB.jpg)
:O So clean! I love it. :D
Also, this is a huge undertaking, so thank you for your efforts. I know you run a business and all that so you kind of did this to yourself, but still - much appreciated. :-*
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 13 October 2015, 13:30:01
Post by: LeandreN on Tue, 13 October 2015, 13:31:55
P.S. If you live in the USA and received a shipping notification, DHL will be delivering tomorrow. If you aren't available to sign for the package (this is their default release method), please tape a piece of paper to your door with your tracking # and a little (kind?) note instructing them to leave the package at your door, etc.:O
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 13 October 2015, 13:45:27
P.S. If you live in the USA and received a shipping notification, DHL will be delivering tomorrow. If you aren't available to sign for the package (this is their default release method), please tape a piece of paper to your door with your tracking # and a little (kind?) note instructing them to leave the package at your door, etc.:O
If DHL do that here in Brazil, my package will be stolen in 5 minutes or less. Thankfully DHL's Brazilian operation understands that and never let packages alone at the door.
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 13 October 2015, 13:47:42
Post by: VentureG on Tue, 13 October 2015, 14:02:13
P.S. If you live in the USA and received a shipping notification, DHL will be delivering tomorrow. If you aren't available to sign for the package (this is their default release method), please tape a piece of paper to your door with your tracking # and a little (kind?) note instructing them to leave the package at your door, etc and sign the piece of paper at the bottom. 99% chance they'll leave the package at your doorsteps as instructed, unless they have reasonable grounds to believe it isn't safe to leave the package unattended.
Also, you can use DHL-On Demand's form in order to have them deliver it on a specific day where you can sign for it, or you can authorize them to leave it without signature under the "Schedule" Option. http://www.simplydhl.com/ondemand
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 13 October 2015, 14:03:36
P.S. If you live in the USA and received a shipping notification, DHL will be delivering tomorrow. If you aren't available to sign for the package (this is their default release method), please tape a piece of paper to your door with your tracking # and a little (kind?) note instructing them to leave the package at your door, etc.:O
If DHL do that here in Brazil, my package will be stolen in 5 minutes or less. Thankfully DHL's Brazilian operation understands that and never let packages alone at the door.
Well, that's why their policy is signature required for all parcels delivered unless instructed otherwise by the shipper or recipient. :P If either party requests for no signature required, then they will not be liable for lost/stolen packages.
I'm just imagining the thief trying to fence the stuff. "I have no idea, but this receipt says almost a dollar each! Maybe it's drugs...?"
No receipt inside the packages. :P
Post by: ntitco1 on Tue, 13 October 2015, 14:15:25
I'm just imagining the thief trying to fence the stuff. "I have no idea, but this receipt says almost a dollar each! Maybe it's drugs...?"
Hehe, we do call it "plastic drugs" in Vietnam Mechkey group :P
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 13 October 2015, 19:19:09
No receipt inside the packages. :p
Above all else, when shipping anything around the WORLD today - NEVER supply any type of receipt for fear of the Customs Scum grabbing your shipment to extort extra money off the poor recipient.
If you want to be a LOVED Seller here on Geekhack, do the right thing for the customer every time 8) .
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 13 October 2015, 19:26:00
Post by: ideus on Tue, 13 October 2015, 19:34:15
You realise of course that the customs can hold the package until a receipt is supplied?
This is true, at the end they have many ways to make us to pay the duties.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 13 October 2015, 19:48:51
You realise of course that the customs can hold the package until a receipt is supplied?
This is true, at the end they have many ways to make us to pay the duties.
Brazilian custom's agents have the authority to assign a value for any given item if they do not come with a receipt (or if the supplied receipt value is deemed too low). Usually it is outrageous.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 13 October 2015, 20:07:28
You realise of course that the customs can hold the package until a receipt is supplied?
This is true, at the end they have many ways to make us to pay the duties.
Brazilian custom's agents have the authority to assign a value for any given item if they do not come with a receipt (or if the supplied receipt value is deemed too low). Usually it is outrageous.
A small white box with no branding is the least eye-catching item that gets processed. Even then, if your order was shipped via DHL, chances are they don't even look at the boxes as everything is automatically cleared in bulk (no invoices are attached to the parcel as it's all uploaded online). Plus, they have their own customs broker that are busy attaching COD orange papers to shipments. Those guys literally just look at whatever declared value and charge accordingly :P
Speaking of DHL, part 2 of 2 have landed. 14 boxes totaling 93kg! Pricing has been adjusted to $1/ea. 4% tax/pp fee at checkout has been removed
(http://i.imgur.com/VvmAzr0.jpg)
Linear Zealios weren't too popular which is a shame :( but they definitely look like crystals! Super dreamy and warm toned :-*
(http://i.imgur.com/peMlNCx.jpg)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 13 October 2015, 20:22:05
A small white box with no branding is the least eye-catching item that gets processed. Even then, if your order was shipped via DHL, chances are they don't even look at the boxes as everything is automatically cleared in bulk (no invoices are attached to the parcel as it's all uploaded online). Plus, they have their own customs broker that are busy attaching COD orange papers to shipments. Those guys literally just look at whatever declared value and charge accordingly :P
Not here in Brazil, if the package is sent by a company. If it is sent by a person everything is fine, though.
And HYPED by the switches! :D
Post by: Sed8op8 on Tue, 13 October 2015, 20:27:40
there has only been a handful of reviews with no one really getting there hands on a decent amount(enough to full whole boards) so I believe anyone who loved gateron blacks and is planning on modding and backlighting them will be in love with these in the end they will save money and most likely not have to lube them!You realise of course that the customs can hold the package until a receipt is supplied?
This is true, at the end they have many ways to make us to pay the duties.
Brazilian custom's agents have the authority to assign a value for any given item if they do not come with a receipt (or if the supplied receipt value is deemed too low). Usually it is outrageous.
A small white box with no branding is the least eye-catching item that gets processed. Even then, if your order was shipped via DHL, chances are they don't even look at the boxes as everything is automatically cleared in bulk (no invoices are attached to the parcel as it's all uploaded online). Plus, they have their own customs broker that are busy attaching COD orange papers to shipments. Those guys literally just look at whatever declared value and charge accordingly :P
Speaking of DHL, part 2 of 2 have landed. 14 boxes totaling 93kg! Pricing has been adjusted to $1/ea. 4% tax/pp fee at checkout has been removedShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/VvmAzr0.jpg)
Linear Zealios weren't too popular, but they definitely look like crystals! Super dreamy and warm :-*Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/peMlNCx.jpg)
Once people have these and start building with them and the whole mob mentality foaming at the mouth for the new board swagger and the Reddit boards start lighting up with posts reviews and build logs im hoping they sell like freaking hotcakes so we can keep a steady flow of these available to this community :thumb:
Post by: romevi on Tue, 13 October 2015, 20:34:43
I'm assuming it's because the purple is a whole new switch that standardizes a favorite custom, whereas a clear can be a pumped-up Gateron Black.You realise of course that the customs can hold the package until a receipt is supplied?
This is true, at the end they have many ways to make us to pay the duties.
Brazilian custom's agents have the authority to assign a value for any given item if they do not come with a receipt (or if the supplied receipt value is deemed too low). Usually it is outrageous.
A small white box with no branding is the least eye-catching item that gets processed. Even then, if your order was shipped via DHL, chances are they don't even look at the boxes as everything is automatically cleared in bulk (no invoices are attached to the parcel as it's all uploaded online). Plus, they have their own customs broker that are busy attaching COD orange papers to shipments. Those guys literally just look at whatever declared value and charge accordingly
Speaking of DHL, part 2 of 2 have landed. 14 boxes totaling 93kg! Pricing has been adjusted to $1/ea. 4% tax/pp fee at checkout has been removedShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/VvmAzr0.jpg)
Linear Zealios weren't too popular which is a shame :( but they definitely look like crystals! Super dreamy and warm toned :-*Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/peMlNCx.jpg)
Im definitely going to order a set of 67g Clears for a future board.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 13 October 2015, 20:36:24
I have order number 1622, but I'm pretty sure I ordered the day these were available. (I assume that the order numbering is concatenated over the entire history of the site, so I'm wondering when I might be able to hope for some of these wonderful little beauties!!!)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 13 October 2015, 20:47:34
Does anyone know what the "early" order numbers are?
I have order number 1622, but I'm pretty sure I ordered the day these were available. (I assume that the order numbering is concatenated over the entire history of the site, so I'm wondering when I might be able to hope for some of these wonderful little beauties!!!)
Started at 1601. Your order hasn't gone out yet because I was waiting for 67g Purple Zealios to come in today. :P Will be packing and shipping accordingly.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 13 October 2015, 21:23:24
Be patient.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 13 October 2015, 22:17:58
Does anyone know what the "early" order numbers are?
I have order number 1622, but I'm pretty sure I ordered the day these were available. (I assume that the order numbering is concatenated over the entire history of the site, so I'm wondering when I might be able to hope for some of these wonderful little beauties!!!)
Started at 1601. Your order hasn't gone out yet because I was waiting for 67g Purple Zealios to come in today. :P Will be packing and shipping accordingly.
Thanks for letting me know, and sorry to distract you from packing, etc.
I need a PCB now... :( Maybe I'll just get a Sprit from mechanical keyboards for now, and get a GON for later...
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 13 October 2015, 22:23:29
Started at 1601. Your order hasn't gone out yet because I was waiting for 67g Purple Zealios to come in today. :p Will be packing and shipping accordingly.
LOVE it immensely because the 67g Purples are coming down the line.
Can't wait for these because it's the first time I have bought non-Cherry based switches and these look good enough for a Kmac Mini to use.
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:29:29
Post by: ideus on Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:31:45
Zealios have landed in Colorado!
Pictures, or it never happens.
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:37:00
Zealios have landed in Colorado!
Pictures, or it never happens.
(http://i.imgur.com/D47Haki.jpg)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:49:43
Zealios have landed in Colorado!
Pictures, or it never happens.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/D47Haki.jpg)
Nice bag! Now get your soldering gun and a PCB, and go get fun. Happy DIY.
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:51:09
Nice bag! Now get your soldering gun and a PCB, and go get fun. Happy DIY.
My QFR is sitting on my bench half desoldered. Lunch will be spent finishing the deed! :cool:
Post by: absyrd on Wed, 14 October 2015, 10:53:03
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:00:24
Well done on this GB from initial thought to completion. Even down to posting individual sorting, bagging, boxing, etc.
+1 very professional and impressive, even more so considering you're a one-man show.
Zeal, any update on the lube? I think that's holding up my order :-(
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:04:25
Well done on this GB from initial thought to completion. Even down to posting individual sorting, bagging, boxing, etc.
Very, very much so.
Take notes ladies and gents, this is how you run a very successful buy. Lots of communication, no surprises, and an amazing product.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:07:10
Nice bag! Now get your soldering gun and a PCB, and go get fun. Happy DIY.
My QFR is sitting on my bench half desoldered. Lunch will be spent finishing the deed! 8)
Good boy.
And here we have again our impatient colleagues requiring information... :)) :)) :))
Post by: uJalled on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:14:45
Post by: Skuloth on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:18:43
Post by: icyskyz on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:21:40
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:23:23
Zealios have landed in Colorado!
Pictures, or it never happens.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/D47Haki.jpg)
Yeeeeeeeeee First unboxing pic!
Well done on this GB from initial thought to completion. Even down to posting individual sorting, bagging, boxing, etc.
Thanks for your kind words! Wouldn't have been possible without the community<3
Well done on this GB from initial thought to completion. Even down to posting individual sorting, bagging, boxing, etc.
+1 very professional and impressive, even more so considering you're a one-man show.
Zeal, any update on the lube? I think that's holding up my order :-(
Ming just shipped out half of my lube order today, should arrive sometime next week.
Well done on this GB from initial thought to completion. Even down to posting individual sorting, bagging, boxing, etc.
Very, very much so.
Take notes ladies and gents, this is how you run a very successful buy. Lots of communication, no surprises, and an amazing product.
:D <3
Zealous have landed successfully in Philly!
Yeeeeeeeeeee!
Just got 250 of them in Rochester NY :D
Need more unboxing pics in here!
Post by: LeandreN on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:25:55
Post by: ideus on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:30:01
wow everyone is getting their zealios! niceeee!
Not yet, but I know these switches will be my favorite ones, all around.
Post by: icyskyz on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:32:45
I agree! I can already tell it is going to be my favorite as well with only that transparent housing and purple stem! :)wow everyone is getting their zealios! niceeee!
Not yet, but I know these switches will be my favorite ones, all around.
Post by: Skuloth on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:33:38
I made a small mess on my desk
(http://i.imgur.com/nAd0W79.jpg)
Post by: n0rvig on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:46:19
Post by: krbuck on Wed, 14 October 2015, 12:23:17
Post by: uJalled on Wed, 14 October 2015, 12:54:45
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Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 14 October 2015, 13:43:06
(http://i.imgur.com/HIjLyLl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HIjLyLl)
Happiest Little QFR on the Block
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 14 October 2015, 13:45:11
Who needs to eat at lunch? :-X
(http://i.imgur.com/HIjLyLl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HIjLyLl)
Happiest Little QFR on the Block
****, that's fast. haha
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 14 October 2015, 13:46:20
Who needs to eat at lunch? :-X
(http://i.imgur.com/HIjLyLl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/HIjLyLl)
Happiest Little QFR on the Block
****, that's fast. haha
+1
I'm in awe
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 14 October 2015, 14:29:01
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 14 October 2015, 14:32:00
Do we know who won the Binge Zealio caps?
We won't know until those winners post piccssssss
Post by: slushi on Wed, 14 October 2015, 14:33:41
EDIT: Nvm, seems to work again! Yay!
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 14 October 2015, 14:33:50
Do we know who won the Binge Zealio caps?
We won't know until those winners post piccssssss
Oh okay cool.
Post by: cwils0n on Wed, 14 October 2015, 14:35:42
(http://i.imgur.com/j6ABLaA.jpg)
I'll be putting them into an Ergodox build, but I'll be waiting on Carbon SA to compete it.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 14 October 2015, 14:39:03
Post by: Invaderevan on Wed, 14 October 2015, 14:50:14
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 14 October 2015, 14:50:57
I need these to arrive yesterday pls
Here I'll make you more jelly by showing you my zealio-qfr with an artisan
More
(http://i.imgur.com/zUuwphq.jpg)
Tasted good too :p
Post by: LeandreN on Wed, 14 October 2015, 14:52:37
Post by: ideus on Wed, 14 October 2015, 15:40:36
That looks great. Now, how many more minutes until a typing test pops up?
We want to hear them, nowwww!
:p
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 14 October 2015, 15:46:16
But I will say that the combination of the Zealios and SA is pretty damn good.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 14 October 2015, 15:47:39
Yeah, I would if I actually had an audio setup that wouldn't be me putting my phone next to my keyboard, but alas I do not.
But I will say that the combination of the Zealios and SA is pretty damn good.
I am more inclined to try them with some OG Cherry thick ABS key caps.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 14 October 2015, 15:54:33
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 14 October 2015, 16:05:45
I need these to arrive yesterday pls
Here I'll make you more jelly by showing you my zealio-qfr with an artisanMoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/zUuwphq.jpg)
Tasted good too :p
Y u do dis. :|
JK, I love seeing pics. :D Gahhh, looks so good! Bet they feel even better.
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Wed, 14 October 2015, 16:17:21
No binge though :(
Post by: bcredbottle on Wed, 14 October 2015, 16:18:58
Just got my 65g Zealios in. They are so purrrrrdy:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j6ABLaA.jpg)
I'll be putting them into an Ergodox build, but I'll be waiting on Carbon SA to compete it.
Sick case. Was it from Narcoleptic_bat?
Post by: cwils0n on Wed, 14 October 2015, 16:22:13
Sure is. He had this and a brown/smoke case for sale as one-offs. I'm sure he'd make more, but the cost for the colored acrylic is $15 more than his standard clear acrylic.Just got my 65g Zealios in. They are so purrrrrdy:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j6ABLaA.jpg)
I'll be putting them into an Ergodox build, but I'll be waiting on Carbon SA to compete it.
Sick case. Was it from Narcoleptic_bat?
Post by: VentureG on Wed, 14 October 2015, 17:08:24
(http://i.imgur.com/i2AiLze.jpg)
Post by: SergeantFTC on Wed, 14 October 2015, 17:18:54
Post by: Elth on Wed, 14 October 2015, 17:49:09
Switches arrived today. Can't wait to put them to use.Ditto on the Binge-less.
No binge though :(
Regardless, these seem awesome (patiently waiting for the Mira).
Thanks for the hard work Zeal!
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 15 October 2015, 07:29:14
(http://i.imgur.com/TvcBfFz.jpg)
Post by: Binge on Thu, 15 October 2015, 09:52:09
Zealios in my b.faceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/TvcBfFz.jpg)
That is very very hot.
Post by: VentureG on Thu, 15 October 2015, 13:01:05
(http://i.imgur.com/jo3pYAb.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 15 October 2015, 13:06:41
Stickered and lubed spring Zealios on a Face W in a P3xon aluminum case!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jo3pYAb.jpg)
Ooh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!
Post by: VentureG on Thu, 15 October 2015, 13:16:46
Ooh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!
It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!
Post by: quake4mhg on Thu, 15 October 2015, 15:34:13
I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!
It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 15 October 2015, 15:40:08
I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!
It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!
You don't actually need to clip the switches to plate mount.
Post by: switchnollie on Thu, 15 October 2015, 16:12:59
Zealios in my b.faceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/TvcBfFz.jpg)
Wow that looks great :D
Is that the matte black acrylic top? How does it feel if so.
Can't decide between that or the opaque one yet which I think is shiny.
Post by: shoostep on Thu, 15 October 2015, 16:37:36
Oops. I spilled some into my light box ... with some keycaps, switch stickers and a cable... what a mess ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/i2AiLze.jpg)
Looks great. This made me even more excited to receive mine.
Post by: quake4mhg on Thu, 15 October 2015, 17:11:46
But my PCB only has one hole :DYou don't actually need to clip the switches to plate mount.I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!
(http://i.imgur.com/TIb1y2nh.jpg?1)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 15 October 2015, 17:15:52
But my PCB only has one hole :DYou don't actually need to clip the switches to plate mount.I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TIb1y2nh.jpg?1)
I've always used wire clippers. Anything that can cut flush against the bottom of the switch should work.
Post by: fknraiden on Thu, 15 October 2015, 17:15:56
But my PCB only has one hole :DYou don't actually need to clip the switches to plate mount.I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TIb1y2nh.jpg?1)
flush cutters or even nail clippers would probably work fine.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 15 October 2015, 17:23:50
But my PCB only has one hole :DOh my bad, didn't occur to me that you'd be soldering to a prebuilt board. Like the others said, you don't really need anything special.
Post by: hitlu on Thu, 15 October 2015, 18:44:17
But my PCB only has one hole :DYou don't actually need to clip the switches to plate mount.I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TIb1y2nh.jpg?1)
flush cutters or even nail clippers would probably work fine.
hi bro. have u seen ur email. please reply me. thanks
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 15 October 2015, 19:24:39
Post by: asgeirtj on Thu, 15 October 2015, 19:30:50
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 15 October 2015, 20:08:19
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 15 October 2015, 20:27:32
Thanks @Zeal for not only sending the switches, but also for concatenating my two orders together, despite the fact that they were separated by about 400 other orders, and refunding me shipping for one of the orders. That's awesome! Again, thanks very much!!!
You're lucky I accidentally checked your profile and saw you had two orders far apart. :) I usually just work down the order list! In the future (for everyone else), please notify me if you'd like to combine orders, thanks.
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 15 October 2015, 20:34:41
Lights off pictures (http://imgur.com/a/Qpf3e)
(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 15 October 2015, 20:37:53
The Zealios have a nice underglow effect when used on a b.face, or other keyboard with case lighting. This is caused by the transparent post on the switch bottoms.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
Looking good!
Did you get your other leds installed? ;)
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 15 October 2015, 20:39:16
Looking good!
Did you get your other leds installed? ;)
Nope, I do not think I am going to install in switch leds.
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 15 October 2015, 21:29:52
Looking good!
Did you get your other leds installed? ;)
Nope, I do not think I am going to install in switch leds.
Yeaah, I had mine open again to fix my F12 (don't speed solder kids) and contemplated soldering in the LEDs and said screw it.
The under light on your board looks good though.
Post by: SadisticReap on Thu, 15 October 2015, 21:37:27
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
Any pictures with caps on?
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 15 October 2015, 21:40:30
Post by: ika on Thu, 15 October 2015, 21:42:10
Also Zeal, I wanted to mention, the tracking notification isn't linked to the shopify shipping notification. In the Zeal store email, it has my order # as the tracking number, then links to a google search of that number. Not sure if that is intentional.
EDIT: 25 minutes later this is fixed. Thanks Zeal!
edit2: turns out this was a mistake re: zeal's reply. oh well
Post by: romevi on Thu, 15 October 2015, 21:53:14
The Zealios have a nice underglow effect when used on a b.face, or other keyboard with case lighting. This is caused by the transparent post on the switch bottoms.Question.
Lights off pictures (http://imgur.com/a/Qpf3e)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
I'm getting a B.face some time next month. How do I get the RGB LEDs like that? Or are those just the LED covers?
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 15 October 2015, 22:00:57
The RGB leds are mounted to the pcb and light the case up. What you are seeing is the zealios get lit up by the case lights.The Zealios have a nice underglow effect when used on a b.face, or other keyboard with case lighting. This is caused by the transparent post on the switch bottoms.Question.
Lights off pictures (http://imgur.com/a/Qpf3e)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
I'm getting a B.face some time next month. How do I get the RGB LEDs like that? Or are those just the LED covers?
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 15 October 2015, 22:11:34
Shipping notification received! HYPE!
Dude, I haven't had to print out three copies of commercial invoices in forever. Why doesn't Brazil do "paperless trade" :( The shipping procedure was also a bit different from what I am used to, and was definitely an interesting first experience. :P
That underlighting looks great, but I'm afraid it would taint in-switch LED colors, forcing you to use a complementary color scheme. I hadn't considered that. Would switch stickers help block some of the light? I have a b.87 with the same plate scheme except opaque top and I was planning on using SIP sockets, but maybe I'll just use white LEDs. Hmm.
Also Zeal, I wanted to mention, the tracking notification isn't linked to the shopify shipping notification. In the Zeal store email, it has my order # as the tracking number, then links to a google search of that number. Not sure if that is intentional.
My bad. I just checked your order and I pasted your order # by accident (I copy that when I fill out the customs form). I copy and paste the tracking number once the label is made, but I guess i failed to ctrl c properly that time. I've updated your tracking number on my end, and it should directly link to DHL with the progress of your shipment.
Post by: ika on Thu, 15 October 2015, 22:15:57
My bad. I just checked your order and I pasted your order # by accident (I copy that when I fill out the customs form). I copy and paste the tracking number once the label is made, but I guess i failed to ctrl c properly that time. I've updated your tracking number on my end, and it should directly link to DHL with the progress of your shipment.
No worries, there was a separate DHL email with the tracking number when the first shipping notification came out last night. I was just trying to be helpful but I guess you have it all covered. :thumb:
Post by: njbair on Thu, 15 October 2015, 22:20:52
Post by: Zorberema on Thu, 15 October 2015, 23:56:14
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 16 October 2015, 00:07:05
Recieved my shipping notice as well, can't wait to try the switches out! I recieved no tracking though; could you add that to my order Zeal? :) Thanks beforehand, and also thanks for hosting this amazing GB!
The cheap small packet air shipping does not have tracking as stated when checking out. However from my experience, it usually delivers within 4-6 business days to EU.
Post by: Zorberema on Fri, 16 October 2015, 00:34:46
Recieved my shipping notice as well, can't wait to try the switches out! I recieved no tracking though; could you add that to my order Zeal? :) Thanks beforehand, and also thanks for hosting this amazing GB!
The cheap small packet air shipping does not have tracking as stated when you checking out. However from my experience, it usually delivers within 4-6 business days to EU.
Oh, thats why! It was so long since the order; forgot the details! 4-6 days is not long at all, will probably start up a small camp around my mailbox for a week, just to get the package when it arrives, haha! :)
Post by: thaddeus on Fri, 16 October 2015, 02:28:17
Man, every GB I waffle back and forth about whether to order (or what to order) and end up really far back in the shipping queue. Gotta stop doing that.
I did this as well. The images are killing me...but I have yet to acquire the other parts for the 60% where these switches will live.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
Any pictures with caps on?
Would love to see these switches with some clothes on, just to get an idea of the keycap underglow. :p :-*
Post by: ika on Fri, 16 October 2015, 02:32:51
Would love to see these switches with some clothes on, just to get an idea of the keycap underglow. :p :-*
Stealing nickheller's karma :p
(http://i.imgur.com/vlJUa44.jpg)
Post by: SadisticReap on Fri, 16 October 2015, 03:06:50
Stealing nickheller's karma :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/vlJUa44.jpg)
That looks really nice, might do mine like that and leave out the back lighting.
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 16 October 2015, 04:44:09
Would love to see these switches with some clothes on, just to get an idea of the keycap underglow. :p :-*
Stealing nickheller's karma :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/vlJUa44.jpg)
What colour LEDs are you using?
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 16 October 2015, 07:23:55
I was using one of the purple colors for the rgb case lights. Sorry the quality is so low.Would love to see these switches with some clothes on, just to get an idea of the keycap underglow. :p :-*
Stealing nickheller's karma :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/vlJUa44.jpg)
What colour LEDs are you using?
Post by: LeandreN on Fri, 16 October 2015, 08:26:28
Anyway, you are doing a great job :) !
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 16 October 2015, 08:37:43
I was using one of the purple colors for the rgb case lights. Sorry the quality is so low.Would love to see these switches with some clothes on, just to get an idea of the keycap underglow. :p :-*
Stealing nickheller's karma :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/vlJUa44.jpg)
What colour LEDs are you using?
Okay cool I was just wondering for a second if the purple was the product of the led's light interacting with the purple stems/clear housings
Post by: ideus on Fri, 16 October 2015, 10:19:20
:-\
Post by: trenzafeeds on Fri, 16 October 2015, 10:22:07
Have not got my shipping notice yet. That happens because I did not join immediately.
:-\
Also if you ordered lube. I think I'm gonna end up waiting a little while.
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 16 October 2015, 10:27:57
Have not got my shipping notice yet. That happens because I did not join immediately.
:-\
I ordered on the last day to save my wallet the pain... :'(
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 16 October 2015, 10:39:19
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 16 October 2015, 10:52:50
(http://i.imgur.com/b7UUoGk.jpg)
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 16 October 2015, 10:53:41
Was packing til 3am last night...That's 51 boxes, maybe try to get another 20 or so done before DHL / CP cut off time.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/b7UUoGk.jpg)
What a soldier! Thanks Zeal!
Post by: trenzafeeds on Fri, 16 October 2015, 10:56:02
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 16 October 2015, 11:02:56
Any word on the lube zeal?
They're in transit. Hopefully delivery by next week.
Post by: techmattr on Fri, 16 October 2015, 11:38:58
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 16 October 2015, 12:05:09
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 16 October 2015, 14:17:01
RIP
Post by: MrRooks on Fri, 16 October 2015, 14:19:01
(http://i.imgur.com/lDdIxk1.jpg)
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 16 October 2015, 14:19:53
Mine have arrived, but I'm going out of town this weekend so won't be able to assemble anything for a few days.
RIP
Poor planning skills Hoff... very poor :mad:
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 16 October 2015, 14:20:41
Mine have arrived, but I'm going out of town this weekend so won't be able to assemble anything for a few days.
RIP
Poor planning skills Hoff... very poor :mad:
I'm the worst. :(
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 16 October 2015, 15:23:23
om nom nomShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/lDdIxk1.jpg)
Don't eat them!
Post by: MrRooks on Fri, 16 October 2015, 15:51:44
om nom nomShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/lDdIxk1.jpg)
Don't eat them!
Instructions unclear, swallowed 3 Zealios.
Post by: Data on Fri, 16 October 2015, 16:44:17
Post by: micr0n on Fri, 16 October 2015, 17:49:29
Post by: njbair on Fri, 16 October 2015, 17:55:38
Fingers crossed that there's a Binge cap in there...
Post by: Uniwersel on Fri, 16 October 2015, 18:41:32
(http://i.imgur.com/16gOlqV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/E2DAuYF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kFPixtP.jpg)
Post by: ccc24 on Fri, 16 October 2015, 19:03:14
Post by: trenzafeeds on Fri, 16 October 2015, 19:04:31
So I got a little surprise in my box today..**** you.
In all seriousness though, I'm really glad one went to a new member, I hope it will get you excited about how great our little community is. I'd hold onto that if I were you, it definitely has the potential to be worth a good amount, even as only a memento if you decide to keep it forever. Welcome to Geekhack! :thumb:
Post by: Binge on Fri, 16 October 2015, 19:07:06
So I got a little surprise in my box today..Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/16gOlqV.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/E2DAuYF.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kFPixtP.jpg)
I can haz speeling
Post by: njbair on Fri, 16 October 2015, 19:49:42
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 16 October 2015, 19:53:52
Is this the first Binge winner to report in?
It seems so. There is another one on reddit.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 16 October 2015, 19:54:09
Dis so good!!
Post by: Aengus on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:49:57
Post by: thaddeus on Fri, 16 October 2015, 20:57:01
So I got a little surprise in my box today..Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/16gOlqV.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/E2DAuYF.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kFPixtP.jpg)
I can haz speeling
heh. The gorgeous key distracted me from noticing. Switced.
Post by: ika on Fri, 16 October 2015, 22:52:50
I can haz speelingI thought that was intentional :))
Post by: Barracuda on Sat, 17 October 2015, 06:29:56
Post by: duckness on Sat, 17 October 2015, 07:06:51
Oh man. I totally missed this. When are the 62g tactiles coming back, if ever?No confirmed date (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3o5lrr/z/cvud0fu).
Quote
65g and 67g were the most popular weights, so more of those variants were ordered. 62g preorders are completely bought out, so you'd have to wait until round 2 (unsure of date).
Post by: ccc24 on Sat, 17 October 2015, 18:51:10
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 17 October 2015, 18:54:53
how far are you into shipping the purple 67 purples? Still waiting for my shipping notification.I got some of the heavy ones in the mail yesterday.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 17 October 2015, 19:29:01
how far are you into shipping the purple 67 purples? Still waiting for my shipping notification.
Would depend on your order contents and position. I'm currently shipping orders in the 18xx-19xx range. Everyone will receive a shipping notification when their order ships, so please sit tight while I get through as many orders as I can over the weekend.
If your order contained GH V3 lube, then you'll have to wait a bit for them to arrive sometime this week.
Post by: MrRooks on Sun, 18 October 2015, 12:08:10
(http://i.imgur.com/3tY7GUq.png)
Post by: Zorberema on Sun, 18 October 2015, 14:47:54
Prototyping my lube station. :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/3tY7GUq.png)
Duude, that looks sick! :D I'm thinking of making something similar; maybe a bit bigger though, haha!
Post by: MrRooks on Sun, 18 October 2015, 21:27:44
The Zealios have a nice underglow effect when used on a b.face, or other keyboard with case lighting. This is caused by the transparent post on the switch bottoms.
Lights off pictures (http://imgur.com/a/Qpf3e)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
This came out awesome!
Post by: ViệtNV on Sun, 18 October 2015, 23:13:05
(http://[attachimg=1])
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 19 October 2015, 03:14:34
how far are you into shipping the purple 67 purples? Still waiting for my shipping notification.
Would depend on your order contents and position. I'm currently shipping orders in the 18xx-19xx range. Everyone will receive a shipping notification when their order ships, so please sit tight while I get through as many orders as I can over the weekend.
Just got my shipment notice, good to see some more Canadian Postal action happening here again.
You guys rock :thumb: .
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 19 October 2015, 03:41:17
Also, get some rest. It's almost 2am and you're eating ****ty pizza while trying to pack these things.
You're going to end up collapsing from exhaustion when you run to the DHL guy.
Either that or you will vomit ****ty pizza all over the DHL guy.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 19 October 2015, 03:53:00
Zeal, I'm crapping in your thread to hit 2k posts kay? ;D
Also, get some rest. It's almost 2am and you're eating ****ty pizza while trying to pack these things.
You're going to end up collapsing from exhaustion when you run to the DHL guy.
Either that or you will vomit ****ty pizza all over the DHL guy.
I would never eat food while packing. :)) I meant that I got home late cause I was packing, so had to resort to ****ty delivery pizza.
Post by: joey on Mon, 19 October 2015, 05:21:18
Haven't opened it yet, it's work time :(
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Mon, 19 October 2015, 12:09:20
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200 67g Zealios switches. Now I need the boards to use them. :D Or maybe I could change the Cherry MX Black switches of my Cherry G80-3000.
So many options...
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 19 October 2015, 12:11:32
The eagle has landed! Repeat: the eagle has landed!
(Attachment Link)
200 67g Zealios switches. Now I need the boards to use them. :D Or maybe I could change the Cherry MX Black switches of my Cherry G80-3000.
So many options...
From what I've heard about Brazils postal system, this is a miracle. Enjoy!
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Mon, 19 October 2015, 12:21:17
From what I've heard about Brazils postal system, this is a miracle. Enjoy!
You are right, but in this case Brazilian postal system was entirely avoided as they were sent via DHL. ;)
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 19 October 2015, 14:16:52
The eagle has landed! Repeat: the eagle has landed!
(Attachment Link)
200 67g Zealios switches. Now I need the boards to use them. :D Or maybe I could change the Cherry MX Black switches of my Cherry G80-3000.
So many options...
Seems like everything cleared without issue despite DHL requesting paper commercial invoices (which I had to attach on the bottom of the box :))). Brazil DHL also seems to have missed the "out for delivery" scan, haha.
Can't beat that Friday shipping ->Monday delivery time :D
Post by: Sed8op8 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 14:57:06
The eagle has landed! Repeat: the eagle has landed!These are all im waiting on for my ctrlalt60 the anticipation is real
(Attachment Link)
200 67g Zealios switches. Now I need the boards to use them. :D Or maybe I could change the Cherry MX Black switches of my Cherry G80-3000.
So many options...
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Mon, 19 October 2015, 15:00:03
Can't beat that Friday shipping ->Monday delivery time :DMan, sometimes I have glimpses of what the civilized world is like. This was one of these moments. (Not perfect because of import taxes, but very close.)
Post by: katushkin on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:19:17
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:22:32
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:28:49
Has anyone checked if a 2x3x4 LED fits under the hood? I just received my order of 180 today :D If it fits, I'm going to Staples to get an appropriately sized binder clipYou mean inside the body of the switch? I haven't. I think I might have some at home, so I can give it a go when I get off work and let you know (if I can find the leds, of course)
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:30:45
Though now I realized I might not know what resister came soldered onto my FaceW D:
Post by: ika on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:32:02
Has anyone checked if a 2x3x4 LED fits under the hood? I just received my order of 180 today :D If it fits, I'm going to Staples to get an appropriately sized binder clip
Just tried it. Works just fine. There's even a little bit of wiggle room up/down and side/side when looking at it from the top.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:39:28
Just realised I am a pain in the arse and ordered 105... not a power of 10... :( Sorry Zeal bro.
Post by: icyskyz on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:50:37
Has anyone checked if a 2x3x4 LED fits under the hood? I just received my order of 180 today :D If it fits, I'm going to Staples to get an appropriately sized binder clipYou mean inside the body of the switch? I haven't. I think I might have some at home, so I can give it a go when I get off work and let you know (if I can find the leds, of course)
How do you place the 2x3x4 LED into the switch? I didn't know that possible! :eek:
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:51:15
Mine arrived today :D :D
Just realised I am a pain in the arse and ordered 105... not a power of 10... :( Sorry Zeal bro.
Multiples of 10, not powers! :) I don't think many people ordered 1,000, much less 10,000. :P
Post by: ika on Mon, 19 October 2015, 16:58:02
How do you place the 2x3x4 LED into the switch? I didn't know that possible! :o
Open the switch top and plop that sucker in where the LED usually goes :)
Post by: icyskyz on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:02:35
How do you place the 2x3x4 LED into the switch? I didn't know that possible! :o
Open the switch top and plop that sucker in where the LED usually goes :)
I didn't know there would be enough room in a switch to fit a LED! That is something new for me! :-X
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:05:20
Think about it this way...
You could convert me back to MX.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:06:52
Someone build me a Zealios board, send it to me to try for about a month, and I promise to send it back with only a few random pubes in it.
Think about it this way...
You could convert me back to MX.
I'll do that if you promise at least 6 random pubes.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:23:06
Mine arrived today :D :D
Just realised I am a pain in the arse and ordered 105... not a power of 10... :( Sorry Zeal bro.
Multiples of 10, not powers! :) I don't think many people ordered 1,000, much less 10,000. :P
Oh no... lol... it's been a long day at the Hoffice.
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:33:15
Someone build me a Zealios board, send it to me to try for about a month, and I promise to send it back with only a few random pubes in it.
Think about it this way...
You could convert me back to MX.
I'll do that if you promise at least 6 random pubes.
Does that mean 6 pubes from different parts of my body? Or from 6 different people? I may have to get real freaky to make this work. No problemo.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:35:27
Does that mean 6 pubes from different parts of my body? Or from 6 different people? I may have to get real freaky to make this work. No problemo.I'm pretty sure pubes only come from one part of your body buddy
Post by: Binge on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:39:26
Does that mean 6 pubes from different parts of my body? Or from 6 different people? I may have to get real freaky to make this work. No problemo.I'm pretty sure pubes only come from one part of your body buddy
I've never seen 6 pubes coming out of the same pore.
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:41:39
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:44:50
Are armpit hairs considered pubes? Taint hair? Asscrack hair? These are the important questions to ponder in life.
I think pubes are named after the scientific term "public region", which I believe is any region that someone wants to make love to. So, Abs, how sexy are your armpits? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:47:53
Are armpit hairs considered pubes? Taint hair? Asscrack hair? These are the important questions to ponder in life.
I think pubes are named after the scientific term "public region", which I believe is any region that someone wants to make love to. So, Abs, how sexy are your armpits? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
So taint hairs are pubes. That is clearly the errogenous (sp?) zone. B-hole hairs may be, too, depending on your kinks.
And somehow I have nice armpits. They never smell and I don't use antiperspirant. I guess they are pretty damn hot.
Post by: VentureG on Mon, 19 October 2015, 19:20:45
Great stuff, Zeal!
(http://i.imgur.com/Fpu074L.jpg)
Post by: ccc24 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 20:42:26
Post by: njbair on Mon, 19 October 2015, 21:02:25
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 19 October 2015, 21:26:33
Got my shipping notice says it's coming in tomorrow. I don't need to be home to sign for it do I?
You will. If you'd like them to leave it at your doorsteps, just tape a piece of paper to your door with the waybill #, instructions to leave at door and name+signature at the bottom.
The plate arrived and I learned how to solder. Beautiful switches - a pleasure to work with. The new gateron mold for the tops is great (I've only had experience with the ones that had that catching issue). PCB mount pins are a bit tight on my FaceW but not a big deal. Only vexing issue I had was with the space bar switch which stuck a bit - bit of lube fixed it right up.
Great stuff, Zeal!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Fpu074L.jpg)
Thanks for sharing! Winkeyless/Sprit PCBs have a slightly smaller PCB mount hole meant for Cherry switches, so that's why they feel tighter. On other boards with "standard" holes, they fit in perfectly snug.
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 19 October 2015, 21:45:33
My fingers may not be able to fing after this one... If they can, the 120g spring I put in the spacebar will give at least me thumbs a workout!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 October 2015, 21:50:13
The plate arrived and I learned how to solder. Beautiful switches - a pleasure to work with. The new gateron mold for the tops is great (I've only had experience with the ones that had that catching issue). PCB mount pins are a bit tight on my FaceW but not a big deal. Only vexing issue I had was with the space bar switch which stuck a bit - bit of lube fixed it right up.
Great stuff, Zeal!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Fpu074L.jpg)
That's a nice looking board you got there. :thumb:
Post by: ika on Tue, 20 October 2015, 00:17:33
http://imgur.com/a/fvXTQ (http://imgur.com/a/fvXTQ)
More
(http://i.imgur.com/MmI4Pso.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/be9vlhs.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gxoUgYV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cmEJpOz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/be9vlhs.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gxoUgYV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cmEJpOz.jpg)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 20 October 2015, 00:19:30
Been a long and tedious day... but it's over!I've put sip sockets in my zealios. Could I ask you to add a picture of how long you cut the legs of the leds down to? I'm not sure how much I should cut mine...
http://imgur.com/a/fvXTQ
If you have the time to, of course!
Post by: ika on Tue, 20 October 2015, 00:27:01
I've put sip sockets in my zealios. Could I ask you to add a picture of how long you cut the legs of the leds down to? I'm not sure how much I should cut mine...
If you have the time to, of course!
Here's the LED I'm using:
More
(http://i.imgur.com/C0pjKDE.jpg)
You'll notice the rectangular, flattened, enlarged area on each leg. I trimmed my legs just above that point, so that the trimmed LED has even and uniform legs. You'll have a hell of a time trying to insert that flattened leg into SIP sockets (I bent a lot of LEDs trying to force them into the sockets), but if you cut it too short, they'll just fall out randomly. Trimmed exactly at that point, almost all of my LEDs stayed in after I used a pair of pliers to gently press them into the sockets.
Post by: ccc24 on Tue, 20 October 2015, 01:37:53
Post by: shreebles on Tue, 20 October 2015, 03:41:11
The plate arrived and I learned how to solder. Beautiful switches - a pleasure to work with. The new gateron mold for the tops is great (I've only had experience with the ones that had that catching issue).
Wow, are you saying they actually fixed this? All of my Gateron Blacks had this issue. I spent the last weekend desoldering one of my QFR YET AGAIN to change all the Gateron switch tops to original Cherry switch tops.
I had this issue only with Cherry keycaps, but it was so annoying, because I really prefer Cherry profile. Really made me hate Gateron.
That'd be so awesome if they actually changed that because I feared for my sanity should I discover that the Zealios suffer from this same issue.
Thanks for sharing! Winkeyless/Sprit PCBs have a slightly smaller PCB mount hole meant for Cherry switches, so that's why they feel tighter. On other boards with "standard" holes, they fit in perfectly snug.I am waiting on a RS84, I guess it will also have the smaller holes?
Well it shouldn't be too big of a problem since I also have a plate to go with it. Should the need arise I could still cut of the legs like I did with my black Gaterons.
But then they would be plate-mount only. Hhm.
Post by: Data on Tue, 20 October 2015, 08:00:58
They're great. I'm going to have to order more (at an even higher price! :-X ). Thanks, Zeal.
ZEALIOS ARE PART OF A BALANCED BREAKFAST.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 20 October 2015, 09:05:39
Received my Zealios. The name reminds me of cereal, so I contemplated putting them in a bowl with a spoon and taking a few photos but decided against it in the end.
They're great. I'm going to have to order more (at an even higher price! :-X ). Thanks, Zeal.
ZEALIOS ARE PART OF A BALANCED BREAKFAST.
I'm stealing this idea. :P
Post by: thaddeus on Tue, 20 October 2015, 11:21:57
Been a long and tedious day... but it's over!
http://imgur.com/a/fvXTQ (http://imgur.com/a/fvXTQ)
Damn. It's gorgeous!
I've learned my lesson. DO NOT WAIT SO LONG TO ORDER DANK SWITCHES. The anticipation is killing me.
Post by: Binge on Tue, 20 October 2015, 11:44:01
Are armpit hairs considered pubes? Taint hair? Asscrack hair? These are the important questions to ponder in life.
I think pubes are named after the scientific term "public region", which I believe is any region that someone wants to make love to. So, Abs, how sexy are your armpits? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
So taint hairs are pubes. That is clearly the errogenous (sp?) zone. B-hole hairs may be, too, depending on your kinks.
And somehow I have nice armpits. They never smell and I don't use antiperspirant. I guess they are pretty damn hot.
Mine are usually compared to the smell of fresh chinese food.
Post by: wilarseny on Tue, 20 October 2015, 11:48:34
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 20 October 2015, 11:51:55
Can anyone who's installed their zealios onto a board talk about their impressions so far? I've got a set of 67g coming (hopefully today) but it'll be a while until I can actually put them into a build. Are the descriptions zeal/etc put out ahead of the sale pretty accurate?I feel like they are. I have the 67g, they're all on a plate right now (I was too eager to wait for the rest of the parts) and I have everything else coming today. Assuming I can find somewhere local to buy a soldering iron and some solder, I'll be able to post impressions tonight/tomorrow!
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 20 October 2015, 11:52:41
Can anyone who's installed their zealios onto a board talk about their impressions so far? I've got a set of 67g coming (hopefully today) but it'll be a while until I can actually put them into a build. Are the descriptions zeal/etc put out ahead of the sale pretty accurate?I've read a number of reviews, but those were all of single switches, rather than a full board. I'd really like to see a hype-free pros-and-cons. I've got about 200 coming.
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 20 October 2015, 12:19:06
Can anyone who's installed their zealios onto a board talk about their impressions so far? I've got a set of 67g coming (hopefully today) but it'll be a while until I can actually put them into a build. Are the descriptions zeal/etc put out ahead of the sale pretty accurate?I've read a number of reviews, but those were all of single switches, rather than a full board. I'd really like to see a hype-free pros-and-cons. I've got about 200 coming.
Figured I'd post here in case anyone didn't see your other thread, but I did reply there with my initial thoughts.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 20 October 2015, 13:14:19
But now I get to build my JD45, well have someone build it for me!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 20 October 2015, 13:19:24
Post by: eyesmiles on Tue, 20 October 2015, 15:26:44
Zealios have landed. A small ode to the MX clear for the spacebar. One of my last Cherry MX / MX like switches builds I'll be doing aside from the GH60.
Thank you for your work Zeal! You are a beast as always :thumb:
Post by: cjhard on Tue, 20 October 2015, 17:42:45
Post by: eyesmiles on Tue, 20 October 2015, 18:16:45
eyesmiles, your left Alt is crooked...
Yep, fully aware :)) The switches aren't soldered yet. With the possibilites of the bottom row on the Leeku, the switch just hangs there. I got excited when I got the Zealios and just placed them on the PCB.
Post by: SkepticalPotato on Tue, 20 October 2015, 19:58:58
Now waiting on my planck to ship from Massdrop for my first Zealios board... it's gonna be a long wait!
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Wed, 21 October 2015, 00:22:43
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/20/07ff04957f17f87b588b0677483766ef.jpg)
So, I started by putting the Tai Hao Miami set on my pok3r, but then I realized that the zealios were secure enough in the plate that I could put the Miami set on my new board, to see what it will look like (I don't have any solder or a soldering iron at the moment...) in the process of pulling some of the Miami caps off, we had a few casualties. Oh well...
Anyway, my space bar seems to be sticking without returning all the way to the top. I think that the stabilizer bar has a little bit of a twist in it. Could that be the reason it sticks? (I got yummy gold plated stabs from leandren, by the way, so this board is nice!)
One more thing is that I don't have any lube that I can put on the stabs at the moment, which makes me a little bit sad, but the stabs are clipped, so I can't wait to start using this board!!!
Post by: ika on Wed, 21 October 2015, 00:28:42
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Wed, 21 October 2015, 02:29:02
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MIIiIoi.jpg)
Zealios have landed. A small ode to the MX clear for the spacebar. One of my last Cherry MX / MX like switches builds I'll be doing aside from the GH60.
Thank you for your work Zeal! You are a beast as always :thumb:
Hey there, what keyboard is this?
Post by: nyunyu on Wed, 21 October 2015, 05:55:33
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MIIiIoi.jpg)
Zealios have landed. A small ode to the MX clear for the spacebar. One of my last Cherry MX / MX like switches builds I'll be doing aside from the GH60.
Thank you for your work Zeal! You are a beast as always :thumb:
Hey there, what keyboard is this?
Cherry G80-1800
http://cherrycorp.com/product/compact-g80-1800-series-keyboards/
Post by: sth on Wed, 21 October 2015, 08:12:41
can anyone confirm if all gaterons are this wobbly? is it the slider (slightly smaller) or is it the top housing (seems to have a slightly larger opening)?
Post by: MrRooks on Wed, 21 October 2015, 11:36:08
got mine. bit wobblier than MX. dont have anything to mount them on ATM but curious to see what they're like.http://imgur.com/a/sqQJd
can anyone confirm if all gaterons are this wobbly? is it the slider (slightly smaller) or is it the top housing (seems to have a slightly larger opening)?
That's a Gateron Brown. Measured at both the sliders and just above the sliders. For the record I'm not starting ****. I prefer a lubed Zealio to my Gateron browns. Just sharing the info.
Post by: ika on Wed, 21 October 2015, 11:53:20
Quote
might be slightly smaller, though because it's a bit "wobblier", there's less friction against slider channels, resulting in a smoother feel. also quieter because of different plastic
I also noticed that Gateron Browns were slightly more wobbly than Cherry Browns. It could be placebo but I've never seen anyone talk about this so I figured it was important to bring up.
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 21 October 2015, 12:04:25
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 21 October 2015, 13:01:12
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 21 October 2015, 16:22:35
First impressions: They remind me of Alps. Smooth, defined tactility, but wobbly.
The tight top is nice, but a bit pointless due to how loose the slider is. On Row 1 SA caps I don't think they're acceptable, to be honest.
Then there's the slight grinding that you get near bottom out. Looks to me like it's the left "leg" of the slider scraping on the pin extension inside the bottom case.
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However, since I don't like to point out problems without offering a solution, I present to you.... The Golden Zealio mod!
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You put a piece of copper tape on either side of the slider. Copper is malleable and conforms well to the slider shape. It's also low friction, so it still feels good. Helps improve the stability a lot without losing the beautiful smoothness.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 21 October 2015, 16:26:40
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 21 October 2015, 16:35:06
You put a piece of copper tape on either side of the slider. Copper is malleable and conforms well to the slider shape. It's also low friction, so it still feels good. Helps improve the stability a lot without losing the beautiful smoothness.Have you tried the switches you did this to enough to know how well it hold up to use?
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 21 October 2015, 17:11:15
Sounds like we could use a Round 2, *hint hint*, *wink wonk*
Post by: romevi on Wed, 21 October 2015, 17:21:25
Would not the adhesive of the copper tape slowly seep out and gum up your switches?
Sounds like we could use a Round 2, *hint hint*, *wink wonk*
*wank wank*
Post by: rainb1ood on Wed, 21 October 2015, 17:25:50
Thank you and great job on this group buy Zeal!
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 21 October 2015, 18:20:05
*wank wank*Gunter, no! (http://i.imgur.com/azvCwQJ.jpg)
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 21 October 2015, 18:57:01
I tried blues and browns, but never cared for the much. When it comes to tactile switches, I've always preferred alps.
I don't have a full board to put these on yet (waiting for my planck to arrive, I'm thinking perhaps an ergodox for zealio build #2), but I'm quite impressed by these so far. The tactile bump is very apparent, and they're just so crisp! It's great!
I'm burying the lede here, but I was jumping for joy when I opened the box. Not only did I find some rad switches, but I also got A FRIKKEN BINGE CAP!
1/10 reporting in.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/0e7f846730ea33e73cbe2aefa99a52d2.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/482d17e9bdff824b377e0a1e74f1edec.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/2d7bd030396b5b1be219ed7969783f9f.jpg)
He's living on my Lolita for the moment, but he'll have a permanent home on a zealio switch soon.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 21 October 2015, 18:58:38
1/10 reporting in.
Not to burst your bubble, but you're at the very least 3/10, maybe later. Really nice cap though, you lucky duck! :thumb:
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 21 October 2015, 19:00:52
1/10 reporting in.
Not to burst your bubble, but you're at the very least 3/10, maybe later. Really nice cap though, you lucky duck! :thumb:
But he has "1/10" on the envelope ;)
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 21 October 2015, 19:01:56
1/10 reporting in.
Not to burst your bubble, but you're at the very least 3/10, maybe later. Really nice cap though, you lucky duck! :thumb:
Not first to post out of 10, cap 1 of 10. Mind you, I'm assuming they're labeled on the bottom right of the envelope in series...
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 21 October 2015, 19:02:29
1/10 reporting in.
Not to burst your bubble, but you're at the very least 3/10, maybe later. Really nice cap though, you lucky duck! :thumb:
But he has "1/10" on the envelope ;)
Leave it to zeal to mess up the Binge order.
jk :p
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 21 October 2015, 20:21:16
got mine. bit wobblier than MX. dont have anything to mount them on ATM but curious to see what they're like.http://imgur.com/a/sqQJd
can anyone confirm if all gaterons are this wobbly? is it the slider (slightly smaller) or is it the top housing (seems to have a slightly larger opening)?
That's a Gateron Brown. Measured at both the sliders and just above the sliders. For the record I'm not starting ****. I prefer a lubed Zealio to my Gateron browns. Just sharing the info.
I did some measurements of the Zealio switch vs MX Tactile gray, and I'd say the dimensions were very close, subject to digital caliper calibration / human error.
MX Tactile Gray got the following measurements:
8.72mm (slider)
7.15mm (top of slider)
5.63mm (measurement from front to rear of switch, above where legs are)
Purple Zealio
8.7mm (slider)
7.09mm (top of slider)
5.54mm (measurement from front to rear of switch, above where legs are)
I also measured the interior bottom housing slider, top housing dimensions etc, and they were all relatively close to each other minus RGB switch top's slightly smaller logo to LED position (which makes sense, as Gateron has purposely designed it to be a bit tighter to prevent dust, which also happens to compensate for the slightly 0.1mm "smaller" stem).
If anything, I would say this is a fair compromise as I'd rather have a slightly wobblier stem than to have a (Cherry profile) keycap catch onto regular Gateron top housing as reported by members.
I'm sure Zeal will step in here soon with more info but he mentioned this about the smaller stems:Quotemight be slightly smaller, though because it's a bit "wobblier", there's less friction against slider channels, resulting in a smoother feel. also quieter because of different plastic
I also noticed that Gateron Browns were slightly more wobbly than Cherry Browns. It could be placebo but I've never seen anyone talk about this so I figured it was important to bring up.
The above comment copied from IRC still stands.
Yay! I got my Zealios.
First impressions: They remind me of Alps. Smooth, defined tactility, but wobbly.
The tight top is nice, but a bit pointless due to how loose the slider is. On Row 1 SA caps I don't think they're acceptable, to be honest.
Then there's the slight grinding that you get near bottom out. Looks to me like it's the left "leg" of the slider scraping on the pin extension inside the bottom case.
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However, since I don't like to point out problems without offering a solution, I present to you.... The Golden Zealio mod!
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You put a piece of copper tape on either side of the slider. Copper is malleable and conforms well to the slider shape. It's also low friction, so it still feels good. Helps improve the stability a lot without losing the beautiful smoothness.
Interesting mod, Oobly. You're always tinkering with switches. :)) I don't have SA caps, so I can't comment in that regard.
As for the slight grinding you sometimes feel while bottoming out -- I've only been able to replicate it when pushing the stem against the "Gateron" logo while applying a diagonal downwards force. From what I feel, it seems like it's from the metal leaf touching the sidewall of the top of the stem, after the bump. If pressing the switch directly up and down, the switch leaf doesn't rub against the side wall which resulted in no grinding feel around the last 0.5mm (or less) of travel. Adding some thick lube where the top of the leg meets the top of the stem helped greatly reduce/remove the grinding feel.
So much for the perfect switch, kinda sad now. Ah well there's always topre.
Thank you for your input.
Would not the adhesive of the copper tape slowly seep out and gum up your switches?
Sounds like we could use a Round 2, *hint hint*, *wink wonk*
If you would like to pay for a new mould *hint hint*, *wink wink*
I received my order this afternoon. 150 65g tactiles. I've actually never tried clears before, let alone ergo clears.
I tried blues and browns, but never cared for the much. When it comes to tactile switches, I've always preferred alps.
I don't have a full board to put these on yet (waiting for my planck to arrive, I'm thinking perhaps an ergodox for zealio build #2), but I'm quite impressed by these so far. The tactile bump is very apparent, and they're just so crisp! It's great!
I'm burying the lede here, but I was jumping for joy when I opened the box. Not only did I find some rad switches, but I also got A FRIKKEN BINGE CAP!
1/10 reporting in.Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/0e7f846730ea33e73cbe2aefa99a52d2.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/482d17e9bdff824b377e0a1e74f1edec.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/2d7bd030396b5b1be219ed7969783f9f.jpg)
He's living on my Lolita for the moment, but he'll have a permanent home on a zealio switch soon.
Congrats! You were the first to be drawn and won Zealio Bingecap 1/10! :) Enjoy your Slowfi!
1/10 reporting in.
Not to burst your bubble, but you're at the very least 3/10, maybe later. Really nice cap though, you lucky duck! :thumb:
But he has "1/10" on the envelope ;)
Leave it to zeal to mess up the Binge order.
jk :p
Leave it to trenzafeeds to not see the 1/10 marking :P
jk, not jk ;)
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 21 October 2015, 20:43:06
jk, not jk ;)rekt :'(
Post by: njbair on Wed, 21 October 2015, 21:11:53
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 21 October 2015, 23:29:51
Post by: ika on Wed, 21 October 2015, 23:58:03
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 22 October 2015, 01:38:14
I haven't mounted my Zealios yet so I can't speak to the wobbliness. But at least with Alps switches, the wobbliness allows for less resistance when striking a key a bit off-center. In that regard I would think it's preferable for taller caps like SA.
Binding is all about pressure angle, so taller caps will bind LESS than short ones:
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And in general, more play means more chance of binding. With a lower tolerance gap and more slider contact points the slider should bind less (assuming the contact areas are smooth). Slider shape more than anything determines binding, but it generally gets worse with more play, not better (see my explanation below).
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I did some measurements of the Zealio switch vs MX Tactile gray, and I'd say the dimensions were very close, subject to digital caliper calibration / human error.
MX Tactile Gray got the following measurements:
8.72mm (slider)
7.15mm (top of slider)
5.63mm (measurement from front to rear of switch, above where legs are)
Purple Zealio
8.7mm (slider)
7.09mm (top of slider)
5.54mm (measurement from front to rear of switch, above where legs are)
...
If anything, I would say this is a fair compromise as I'd rather have a slightly wobblier stem than to have a (Cherry profile) keycap catch onto regular Gateron top housing as reported by members.
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The "catching" referred to has more to do with the case top design than the slider. Cherry cap stems are 5.6mm diameter, Gateron caps are 5.2mm. So Cherry stems can catch on the case top opening more easily. A wobbly slider will actually make this worse, not better.
Two of your measurements are relevant, the width inside the rails and the width above them, as both affect the horizontal play in the slider and at this scale, tiny amounts matter.
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might be slightly smaller, though because it's a bit "wobblier", there's less friction against slider channels, resulting in a smoother feel. also quieter because of different plastic
I respectfully disagree. Friction is independent of surface area (surprised? It's true: http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae140.cfm), but directly dependent on force and surface smoothness and wobbly sliders increase the sideways force present at the contact point. Most thermoplastics tend to have a coefficient of friction that decreases with load force, so that will help reduce the frictional force, but not enough to offset the increase in actual force. So you have increased force and it's acting on a smaller area. Which means you're getting faster wear which will introduce even more wobble. If the switch is pressed perfectly straight, there is no difference in friction between a wobbly slider and one with tighter tolerances, since the same areas of the slider and case are in contact and they're very similar (the side forces are then only generated by the contact leaves and will be consistent between them). But off straight angle, the wobbly slider will tilt and increase side forces and wear, whereas a tighter tolerance slider will not.
In other words, the looseness is not needed for smoothness (smooth surfaces is), but will increase wear and wobbliness with use.
...
As for the slight grinding you sometimes feel while bottoming out -- I've only been able to replicate it when pushing the stem against the "Gateron" logo while applying a diagonal downwards force. From what I feel, it seems like it's from the metal leaf touching the sidewall of the top of the stem, after the bump. If pressing the switch directly up and down, the switch leaf doesn't rub against the side wall which resulted in no grinding feel around the last 0.5mm (or less) of travel. Adding some thick lube where the top of the leg meets the top of the stem helped greatly reduce/remove the grinding feel.
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The first two pictures in my post show that the slider is contacting the metal inside the bottom housing. You can see the scraped area on the slider inside the cutaway of the leg. You may well be right that this is not the cause of the grinding feel, though, especially if it goes away by lubing that top area. I will test further when I get home again today.
But now for the most important part of my post: Zealios feel awesome and are really smooth and tactile. There are some relatively minor issues which I think should have been mentioned by reviewers, since they impact some buyers, but they do the job they set out to do: be smoother Clears with better spring choices.
My experience with the 67g, 65g and 62g (I swapped some Sprit 62g springs into a few) is that the reviewers got it right. They descibe them well. I like the feel of the 65g ones best, although I still prefer the lightness of the 62g ones. Undecided which I'll use in my actual builds yet.
For my purposes, I will "gold" mod all my Zealios. It's more work than scraping Clear sliders, but less than doing that AND installing stickers, for a better end result. I'll probably also end up lubing them, installing trampolines and adding latex to the top housings, because... well, that makes them as close to perfection as I'm expecting to be able get with ANY switches.
Thank you Zeal! My expectations for these was higher than it should have been, but in almost all respects was matched by these switches. My small disappointments relating to the looseness of the slider should not dampen people's enthusiasm for these awesome switches. I was hoping for these to be "no mods needed", but it turns out that for my urm.. "special" criteria for my switches I do still need to do some mods. Point is, though, that the end result is amazing. I could not get the same feel from MX Clears no matter how many mods I do to them. I post all this other info out of a need for completeness and accuracy.
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 22 October 2015, 01:43:42
Would not the adhesive of the copper tape slowly seep out and gum up your switches?
Sounds like we could use a Round 2, *hint hint*, *wink wonk*
The adhesive should stay in place pretty well. Even if it does seep, there's the copper tape thickness holding the parts away from each other, so it'd need to really ooze out there to gum things up.
About a Round 2 with modified sliders.... not sure the expense is worth it, considering it's probably only SA profile pundits who'll be affected enough to care.
On the other hand, SA is getting more popular, with lots of GB's running for it, so... it's really up to Zeal to decide if it's worth it. Maybe if we buy enough of the first round to help the funding he'll consider it :)
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 22 October 2015, 02:31:42
Sorry that my switch still isn't perfect, but it's still a huge leap and improvement from current Cherry offerings. I can, however, safely say that nothing on the market is close to Zealios, and I'm glad the community was able to help make the switch a reality.
The RGB switch top had a slight modification per my request to prevent keycap catching, and so far it's worked great with thick Cherry ABS caps. I haven't heard reports of catching yet.
By the way, the reason why I (nor the reviewers) noticed the gritty feel at the very bottom was because Gateron had hand lubed the review samples since there weren't enough switches to automate assembly (I was just told this yesterday, after asking Gateron some questions and providing feedback). The slider legs had a thicker jelly like grease and it happened to go up to the top of the stem, where the legs and the stem body joined. The automated switches have a thinner layer of lube that didn't go as high so that's why it may seem more noticeable.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 22 October 2015, 02:47:38
Still excited to receive mine, hopefully they'll be stiff enough that I don't bottom out and feel the grittiness. There will be 60x 100g springs in the box to make sure for one build :)) Why did I change my order at the last minute...
Post by: techmattr on Thu, 22 October 2015, 03:44:55
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Post by: MEEPhouse on Thu, 22 October 2015, 04:04:27
Finally got mine installed on my phantom. 62g. I'm thinking I'll probably swap out the springs for 67g though.... 62g feels a bit too light with these switches.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2kHdG7m.jpg)
This looks fabulous! :)
Post by: Data on Thu, 22 October 2015, 08:00:38
Post by: MrRooks on Thu, 22 October 2015, 09:50:21
The RGB switch top had a slight modification per my request to prevent keycap catching, and so far it's worked great with thick Cherry ABS caps. I haven't heard reports of catching yet.
I tried my caps that catch on normal Gaterons and they do not catch on Zealios. :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/8uhWcZ1.jpg)
Post by: asgeirtj on Thu, 22 October 2015, 11:40:41
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 22 October 2015, 11:54:11
So take that as you will, one person's very personal take on it.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 22 October 2015, 11:56:09
Can anyone explain what "catching" is?
Some keycaps will literally get hung up on or catch when pressed down when using certain switch tops.
Post by: koalapear on Thu, 22 October 2015, 14:00:36
(http://i.imgur.com/dAeiaqj.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Gy3DKDj.jpg)
Bonus typing video:
Overall very satisfied with the switches! They feel great :thumb:
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 22 October 2015, 16:17:58
I don't think anyone could design a switch Oobly would be happy with without mods....
:D Quite true, I must admit. These come closest to perfect that I've found.
I tried a Clear stem in a Zealio case and... Feels like a slightly smoother and more stable ErgoClear (with a slightly more prominent tactility, probably due to slightly stronger leaves in the Zealio), but still scratchy.
Tried a Zealio stem in a stock MX case and... feels like a slightly scratchier and noticably wobblier Zealio.
So the Clear stem AND stock MX case are both rough and contribute to the scratchy feeling of stock Clears.
Then I got wild and tried a gold modded Clear stem in the Zealio case. Still slightly scratchy, but much smoother than a stock Clear and very stable (most stable MX type of switch I've tried).
Conclusion: I like gold modded Zealios the most, despite the stability of gold modded Clear stems in Zealio cases. The smoothness is simply amazing and the "wobbliness" is not much more than stock MX and probably not noticable on Cherry profile caps. For SA caps it is, if you're particularly sensitive to this (as I am), but for sensitive types like myself, the gold mod stabilises them nicely, to the point that I reckon they're slightly more stable than stickered MX. And I can confirm that lube fixes the bottom out grind. It's also not present once they're trampoline modded even without lube.
I think the copper will be durable enough. It doesn't deform more once it's taken on the shape of the slider, and it's the same combination of materials as the slider legs against the contact leaves, so with a little lube it should really last.
Result: I will be using lubed 65g "Golden Zealios" (with trampoline and latex mods) in all forthcoming keyboard builds. They're simply the best. Thank you again, Zeal, you've produced the best MX compatible switch on the market hands down. If you ever do contemplate a new slider mold, you need only increase the dimensions of the slider parts that contact the rails to make these perfect (including a slighlty wider overall width). You can even go slightly larger than the dimensions of those parts on stock Clears and it'll remain smooth as butter, but have great stability, too. Should also wear less / more slowly.
Post by: ccc24 on Fri, 23 October 2015, 03:02:25
Finally got my Duck Octagon together with 67g Zealios:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dAeiaqj.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Gy3DKDj.jpg)
Bonus typing video:
Overall very satisfied with the switches! They feel great :thumb:
sweet board. Do you have a build log? I've been looking on how exactly to flash the firmware, because the 02D key mapper doesn't have a winkeyless layout mapper. And are the smd led controlled by the firmware to?
Post by: cjhard on Fri, 23 October 2015, 10:12:12
Post by: jerue on Fri, 23 October 2015, 17:06:05
Thanks for all of your hard work Zeal , don't know of a geekhack equivalent so I hooked you up with some reddit gold :thumb:
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 23 October 2015, 18:21:19
Looks like the lube arrived, 'cause my order has shipped!
Thanks for all of your hard work Zeal , don't know of a geekhack equivalent so I hooked you up with some reddit gold :thumb:
Yeah, received first half of my lube order shipment from mkawa today. The package only contained thin & thick lube, so spring lube people have to wait a tiny bit more til second half is sent out D:
P.S. thanks for the reddit gold :))
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 23 October 2015, 20:18:42
Post by: ideus on Fri, 23 October 2015, 20:22:26
Yay I got tracking!
Congratulations! My order is still in the pipeline.
Post by: graefeln on Fri, 23 October 2015, 20:42:20
Yay I got tracking!
Congratulations! My order is still in the pipeline.
So is mine - knowing he got the lube in and seeing others post is making me anxious to get mine. I know it will be soon though; Zeal is doing a great job.
Post by: ika on Fri, 23 October 2015, 21:02:30
A couple of my switches actuate just a hair short of touching them. All I did was open them up and add an LED inside, what could I have messed up to cause this?
Did you accidentally bend the leaf contacts? Try taking the switch tops off and see what happens when you press down on the stem.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 23 October 2015, 21:11:44
Post by: diqkiq on Fri, 23 October 2015, 21:27:32
Zeal what order range are you up to now?I'm order #1963 and I got a shipping notice yesterday
Post by: Armagedda on Fri, 23 October 2015, 21:32:08
I've never had the opportunity to pick up any Clears, so I was blown away by these. Perfect combo of tactility and spring weight.
Absolutely off tap mate, good work.
Looks like I'll finally be moving away from my Greens.
Will most likely wait until Mira to put any in a board.
Though I've been planning on doing a mod project on one of my Ducky YOTD boards so maybe I'll put them in there.
Either way, thanks a lot Zeal. Love your work.
Post by: cjhard on Fri, 23 October 2015, 22:00:21
A couple of my switches actuate just a hair short of touching them. All I did was open them up and add an LED inside, what could I have messed up to cause this?
Did you accidentally bend the leaf contacts? Try taking the switch tops off and see what happens when you press down on the stem.
That's what I was thinking I did, but they're so tiny I can't see very well what's going on in there. I was being super careful. It was only a small number of switches and more likely my own ****up so I just desoldered them and swapped them in with a few fresh ones and the Face still functions.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 23 October 2015, 22:21:30
Looks like I'll finally be moving away from my Greens.
Either way, thanks a lot Zeal. Love your work.
Very eager to try these out, leaving Greens is asking a lot hence they better have that special bounce back that all Green and Grey Switch lovers like.
Post by: osxoep on Sat, 24 October 2015, 09:07:09
Thanks Zeal!
Now where are my PCBs?
Post by: keshley on Sat, 24 October 2015, 11:22:27
Next week looks like it'll be a good mail week :D
Post by: strict on Sat, 24 October 2015, 11:43:52
I'm order #1963 and I got a shipping notice yesterday
Hoping that means mine will be very soon! I'm #1994.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 24 October 2015, 11:55:36
Post by: Kompanion on Sat, 24 October 2015, 12:06:56
Post by: thaddeus on Sat, 24 October 2015, 12:53:00
I'm still a ways off, order 2100. Anticipation!
Next week looks like it'll be a good mail week :D
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 24 October 2015, 12:53:52
Trick question: you don't.I'm still a ways off, order 2100. Anticipation!
Next week looks like it'll be a good mail week :D
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
Post by: petrock on Sat, 24 October 2015, 13:01:24
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 24 October 2015, 13:17:20
Ugh, the anticipation! I got my plate, and pcd, but all that is left is the switches! I'm looking forward to them soonTM
Can start soldering those resistors and diodes in preparation :thumb:
Post by: Butter on Sat, 24 October 2015, 13:42:31
Post by: Kerpadge on Sat, 24 October 2015, 13:46:54
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
I'm in the same boat (minus the wife). I'm so uncontrollably excited!
Post by: graefeln on Sat, 24 October 2015, 13:59:30
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
I'm in the same boat (minus the wife). I'm so uncontrollably excited!
I am in for both this and Hyperfuse as well - my wife knows about one. Wondering which will get here first; can't wait for either...
Post by: theanyday on Sat, 24 October 2015, 14:29:06
Post by: ideus on Sat, 24 October 2015, 14:43:24
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
I'm in the same boat (minus the wife). I'm so uncontrollably excited!
I am in for both this and Hyperfuse as well - my wife knows about one. Wondering which will get here first; can't wait for either...
If you want your excitement to turn into enjoyment, then tell her right away.
Post by: RenegadeParadox on Sat, 24 October 2015, 15:17:14
Post by: Kompanion on Sat, 24 October 2015, 15:26:59
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
I'm in the same boat (minus the wife). I'm so uncontrollably excited!
Same... Now my boyfriend just thinks I'm a weirdo who spends way too much money on keyboards *shrugs*
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 24 October 2015, 15:45:48
Strange, my orders are 1800ish and i did not recived any shipping conformation yet... I am from EU.Zeal what order range are you up to now?I'm order #1963 and I got a shipping notice yesterday
Post by: graefeln on Sat, 24 October 2015, 16:01:55
Strange, my orders are 1800ish and i did not recived any shipping conformation yet... I am from EU.Zeal what order range are you up to now?I'm order #1963 and I got a shipping notice yesterday
I am sure Zeal will be by later to comment, but if you ordered lube (specifically spring I think) - it hasn't arrived yet. He also just recently got his thick and thin, so that may affect it. I am sure he has a reason and wouldn't worry.
Post by: swornxin on Sat, 24 October 2015, 16:04:36
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 24 October 2015, 16:10:21
I got two separate shippings with different zeal switches. One has lube in it... But that one without lube.Strange, my orders are 1800ish and i did not recived any shipping conformation yet... I am from EU.Zeal what order range are you up to now?I'm order #1963 and I got a shipping notice yesterday
I am sure Zeal will be by later to comment, but if you ordered lube (specifically spring I think) - it hasn't arrived yet. He also just recently got his thick and thin, so that may affect it. I am sure he has a reason and wouldn't worry.
Post by: HannahPeach on Sat, 24 October 2015, 17:21:27
Post by: enddot on Sat, 24 October 2015, 17:51:02
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 24 October 2015, 18:07:53
Got my shipping conformation :D
Post by: thaddeus on Sat, 24 October 2015, 18:13:13
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
I'm in the same boat (minus the wife). I'm so uncontrollably excited!
I am in for both this and Hyperfuse as well - my wife knows about one. Wondering which will get here first; can't wait for either...
If you want your excitement to turn into enjoyment, then tell her right away.
You must have experience. Do tell :p
Post by: strict on Sat, 24 October 2015, 22:06:41
Post by: ideus on Sat, 24 October 2015, 23:13:12
Good catch.In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
I'm in the same boat (minus the wife). I'm so uncontrollably excited!
I am in for both this and Hyperfuse as well - my wife knows about one. Wondering which will get here first; can't wait for either...
If you want your excitement to turn into enjoyment, then tell her right away.
You must have experience. Do tell
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Sun, 25 October 2015, 01:52:09
Post by: SuperBo on Sun, 25 October 2015, 03:54:27
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 25 October 2015, 13:23:17
What can I use to lube zealio spring?
You could have bought lube from Zeal's store at the same time :)
Post by: SuperBo on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:18:22
Firstly, I read reviews and it said that unlubed version will be better so I just order thin and thick lube. But it turns out that the review samples is a bit different from mass produce version (according to Zeal and gateron) , other people suggest that we need to lube spring for the best feeling.What can I use to lube zealio spring?
You could have bought lube from Zeal's store at the same time :)
If I order zeal spring lube at this time, it will be expensive because of shipping fee. Can you suggest a place where I can find these lube with good price in Asia?
Post by: zhihuichan on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:31:48
(http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/large/77be697bjw1ex7tg6az3gj24802tckju.jpg)
Post by: ideus on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:33:32
Post by: enddot on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:40:53
I am getting sad by seeing others' Zealios while I do not have even a shipping notice yet.
Have patience, I posted my number yesterday of being 2036 and got my shipping notice today.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:49:42
I am getting sad by seeing others' Zealios while I do not have even a shipping notice yet.
Have patience, I posted my number yesterday of being 2036 and got my shipping notice today.
Of course brother, just wanted to share my willingness to have those nice things with me.
Post by: kindatasty on Mon, 26 October 2015, 00:05:57
Post by: UTEster750 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 00:21:04
Also no Bingecap, but good luck to everyone else! :D
Edit: I'm order #1659
Post by: icyskyz on Mon, 26 October 2015, 02:08:37
Post by: Kola93 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 03:08:25
I can't decide if I like 65g or 67g better. Both are good. ^-^
Post by: Ngt on Mon, 26 October 2015, 03:40:55
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 26 October 2015, 04:02:52
Received today my 67g switches in Australia! Awesome stuff Zeal! :thumb:
WWHHHAAAATTTTTTTT :o :o :o :o .
Damn, he's got his already looks like the guards are busy examining my box for any extras not approved by the warden.
Post by: UTEster750 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 04:29:15
Received today my 67g switches in Australia! Awesome stuff Zeal! :thumb:
WWHHHAAAATTTTTTTT :o :o :o :o .
Damn, he's got his already looks like the guards are busy examining my box for any extras not approved by the warden.
Uh huh, pretty awesome! ;D
Check this for a potato photo of it in my 3d printed Ergodox case :D https://instagram.com/p/9S41hlPy4h/?taken-by=bigfass (https://instagram.com/p/9S41hlPy4h/?taken-by=bigfass)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 05:44:29
Got my shipping notice :)
Thanks Zeal!
Post by: graefeln on Mon, 26 October 2015, 05:46:18
Post by: Butter on Mon, 26 October 2015, 07:27:22
Post by: ideus on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:23:29
Post by: Xonar on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:43:31
Post by: jerue on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:48:16
A blessing in disguise that I was late for work so I could tape a release notice to my door, notification came at 8:09 and I normally leave much earlier lol
DHL just lyin' tho. Guess I'll have it this week. I hear they like to hold stuff if it arrives earlier than expected :rolleyes:
Post by: inanis on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:15:08
Post by: theanyday on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:27:27
Post by: hamilton on Mon, 26 October 2015, 10:39:27
My order is #1796, and I haven't received a shipping notification yet. I'm guessing this is because I also ordered a cable with it. Is that correct?
Waiting on #1991 and I ordered a cable as well
Post by: katushkin on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:23:13
Post by: Doobalicious on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:28:27
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:31:33
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:42:12
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
:thumb:
Also, you have pretty much all the switches, right? I think all I have ordered is enough Purple 65g switches to cover a TKL, and then one of the other switches.
Post by: ccc24 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:45:16
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
I actually ordered another batch of purple 67g switches after the GB ended at the new price, so I was wondering what are the status on those orders are?
Thanks for the great customer support.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:50:39
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
:thumb:
Also, you have pretty much all the switches, right? I think all I have ordered is enough Purple 65g switches to cover a TKL, and then one of the other switches.
Yeah, I have all switches in stock except for 62g purple Zealios.
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
I actually ordered another batch of purple 67g switches after the GB ended at the new price, so I was wondering what are the status on those orders are?
Thanks for the great customer support.
I'll try to complete those orders today/tomorrow,
Post by: enddot on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:51:11
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
Thank you for all your hard work.
Post by: wilarseny on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:44:38
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
:thumb:
Also, you have pretty much all the switches, right? I think all I have ordered is enough Purple 65g switches to cover a TKL, and then one of the other switches.
Yeah, I have all switches in stock except for 62g purple Zealios.
Out of curiosity, know when those'll be in? I was in the buy for 67g and like em a lot, want to try out the 62g now.
Post by: scoobs0311 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:40:51
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 26 October 2015, 15:00:50
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
:thumb:
Also, you have pretty much all the switches, right? I think all I have ordered is enough Purple 65g switches to cover a TKL, and then one of the other switches.
Yeah, I have all switches in stock except for 62g purple Zealios.
Out of curiosity, know when those'll be in? I was in the buy for 67g and like em a lot, want to try out the 62g now.
No set date. It'll happen whenever I do a restock.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 26 October 2015, 15:41:16
thanks so much for all the hard work you put into this Zeal! I'm #2115 and got my notice today!! super stoked!
I'm #2135, thought it'd be a while yet but seems it won't be long - thanks for posting! [edit:] just got a shipping notice :D[/edit]
What are you planning to do with yours scoobs?
Thanks for giving up another weekend for the cause Zeal, I hope you're not getting sick of looking at these pretty switches :)
Post by: quake4mhg on Mon, 26 October 2015, 15:47:49
Office full of switches, keyboard accessories & modding tools, let me try many other switch samples, friendly keyboard chat (I learn alot),
wanna hang longer, but don't wanna disturb his work :p
Awesome keyboard enthusiasts!
So lucky to meet Zeal, and I can pickup everything locally from now :D
(http://i.imgur.com/ioRGFlQ.jpg)
Post by: ntitco1 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:13:01
Post by: theginginator on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:36:19
Post by: RenegadeParadox on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:43:33
Post by: blai5000 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 18:35:01
Post by: SuperBo on Mon, 26 October 2015, 19:45:25
Interesting mod, Oobly. You're always tinkering with switches. :)) I don't have SA caps, so I can't comment in that regard.
As for the slight grinding you sometimes feel while bottoming out -- I've only been able to replicate it when pushing the stem against the "Gateron" logo while applying a diagonal downwards force. From what I feel, it seems like it's from the metal leaf touching the sidewall of the top of the stem, after the bump. If pressing the switch directly up and down, the switch leaf doesn't rub against the side wall which resulted in no grinding feel around the last 0.5mm (or less) of travel. Adding some thick lube where the top of the leg meets the top of the stem helped greatly reduce/remove the grinding feel.
Can you show exactly place I have to put the thick lube by image. Thank you!
Post by: wilarseny on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:32:54
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Mon, 26 October 2015, 22:42:20
...j/k i'm just salty that i don't have these zealios in my grubby paws yet. C'mon fedex!
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 26 October 2015, 23:16:04
Zeal sent me my order number as my tracking number. Tsk. 2/10 would not bang (again).
...j/k i'm just salty that i don't have these zealios in my grubby paws yet. C'mon fedex!
That was on purpose...Accidentally ticked the "do not send customer a shipping confirmation email" on one of my orders, so I had to backtrack about 4-5 orders and put in an order number in order to "update" it with the proper tracking number.
And..it's DHL, not Fedex :P
btw, this is what 150 packed boxes looks like
(http://i.imgur.com/P85L05W.jpg)
Post by: danringm on Mon, 26 October 2015, 23:33:32
Post by: Parod on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:01:22
A couple of my switches actuate just a hair short of touching them. All I did was open them up and add an LED inside, what could I have messed up to cause this?
A few of mine do this as well (and I didn't even open them)... It's only when I push forwards on them, however.
Unfortunately, and also fortunately, that means I get to open my board up again :-\
Post by: Parod on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:31:14
Here's my first ever custom build, which I figured zealios would be perfect for. I finally got the TMK stuff to work!
(Please excuse the crappy pics.....)
(https://i.imgur.com/wkeUBry.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SFXVzly.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/78Sznot.jpg)
Right now I'm just using kraps from SP. Apologies to JDC for stealing the layout ;)
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:37:16
Zeal sent me my order number as my tracking number. Tsk. 2/10 would not bang (again).
...j/k i'm just salty that i don't have these zealios in my grubby paws yet. C'mon fedex!
That was on purpose...Accidentally ticked the "do not send customer a shipping confirmation email" on one of my orders, so I had to backtrack about 4-5 orders and put in an order number in order to "update" it with the proper tracking number.
And..it's DHL, not Fedex :PMorebtw, this is what 150 packed boxes looks likeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/P85L05W.jpg)
Well that would explain why aftership is not updating. Scheduled to arrive friday!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/fV7xZPk6aeiUU/giphy.gif)
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:43:20
Zeal sent me my order number as my tracking number. Tsk. 2/10 would not bang (again).
...j/k i'm just salty that i don't have these zealios in my grubby paws yet. C'mon fedex!
That was on purpose...Accidentally ticked the "do not send customer a shipping confirmation email" on one of my orders, so I had to backtrack about 4-5 orders and put in an order number in order to "update" it with the proper tracking number.
And..it's DHL, not Fedex :p
btw, this is what 150 packed boxes looks likeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/P85L05W.jpg)
And the space for the switch in the middle was just so cleaver.
:p
Post by: graefeln on Tue, 27 October 2015, 14:25:03
Post by: diqkiq on Tue, 27 October 2015, 14:35:59
Post by: Aengus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 15:17:54
Speaking of which...
Here's my first ever custom build, which I figured zealios would be perfect for. I finally got the TMK stuff to work!
(Please excuse the crappy pics.....)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wkeUBry.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/SFXVzly.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/78Sznot.jpg)
Right now I'm just using kraps from SP. Apologies to JDC for stealing the layout ;)
Awesome! Looks great I am still deciding if I am ready to try and attempt my first build. I know Zeal mentioned possibly making a PCB down the road for a GB or something. Is that a definite?
Post by: romevi on Tue, 27 October 2015, 15:21:18
Thank you so much, Zeal. This is one of, if not the, best mass-GBs I've been a part of. Next stop is getting these over to have them installed on my Jane.
Post by: RenegadeParadox on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:21:46
Post by: strict on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:33:51
(https://i.imgur.com/2nKQR9E.jpg)
Post by: filphil on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:55:22
Post by: trenzafeeds on Tue, 27 October 2015, 18:28:09
My switches and lube package came in today. Was expecting it tomorrow so I soldered up my JANE already with old/vintage ergo clears. Ooh well. There's always the next board for the zeals!You ordered the lube and you got it today?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 27 October 2015, 18:40:06
Post by: Kerpadge on Tue, 27 October 2015, 19:10:44
btw, this is what 150 packed boxes looks likeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/P85L05W.jpg)
I can't say enough how much I appreciate all the work you're putting into this, Zeal. My switches arrived today, and I'm loving them! I can't wait to get them on a board to enjoy.
Post by: ImBZppl on Tue, 27 October 2015, 20:31:29
Post by: strict on Tue, 27 October 2015, 20:48:12
(https://i.imgur.com/9Muudsn.jpg)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 October 2015, 20:58:40
They're cool and all but I think I'm just not that picky.
Post by: Zorox on Wed, 28 October 2015, 02:30:25
Cheers!
May the 62g tactile Force be with you.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 28 October 2015, 02:59:24
Pretty nice.
(http://i.imgur.com/1lhkAGp.jpg)
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 28 October 2015, 05:56:10
Got an update re: spring lube. Mkawa will be shipping out the spring lube package by the end of the week, so I should be receiving the package first/second week of November. Once I get those vials in, orders with spring lube will be shipped out asap.
Oh good
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 28 October 2015, 06:01:17
Have to say Zeal thanks so much for making this buy so easy and straightforward. I came in at the end when all was largely said and done and yet had no issue placing my order and knowing exactly the state of things. I really hope you continue to do more GB's as this was a pleasure to be apart of, despite bearly being apart of it ^^
Post by: graefeln on Wed, 28 October 2015, 08:11:48
Got my shipping notification!
Have to say Zeal thanks so much for making this buy so easy and straightforward. I came in at the end when all was largely said and done and yet had no issue placing my order and knowing exactly the state of things. I really hope you continue to do more GB's as this was a pleasure to be apart of, despite bearly being apart of it ^^
I have to say, part of the reason I jumped on this buy was because Zeal was running it. I ordered my Sprit stuff through his site last year and thought he handled everything REALLY well - even when people were complaining about the way Sprit was handling it. I wouldn't hesitate to order anything from Zeal.
Post by: petrock on Wed, 28 October 2015, 10:17:42
Post by: chromatically on Wed, 28 October 2015, 11:02:36
Got an update re: spring lube. Mkawa will be shipping out the spring lube package by the end of the week, so I should be receiving the package first/second week of November. Once I get those vials in, orders with spring lube will be shipped out asap.
ahhhh no wonder... I've been thinking the shipping has just been taking extraordinarily long :P
thanks zeal!!
Post by: scoobs0311 on Wed, 28 October 2015, 13:14:40
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 28 October 2015, 17:10:15
Sadly no Bingecap and I do have a complaint - some idiot (me) ordered 62g clears. Between the smoothness and light springs only my pinkies notice any resistance at all pressing them :)) At least there are only 20 of them... The 67g purples are much more to my liking and I also got some 100g springs which seem a bit stiff on a loose switch, but I might like them in a board.
Now I need to work out what to do with them!
Post by: Butter on Wed, 28 October 2015, 18:00:43
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 28 October 2015, 18:06:59
Post by: kishagi on Wed, 28 October 2015, 19:30:29
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 28 October 2015, 19:32:58
Thanks for the GB. I received my email announcing shipment last week. However the mail did not contain a tracking number nor the link given. If I look at the page the tracking info are empty. Is that normal? Do you mind to look it up, please?
Thank you.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:14:24
Just got mine today, realized that I messed up and chose the 62g option for the clear zealio switches rather than the 67g. Oh well, its a good thing that I bought those 67g springs from Massdrop. Thanks so much ZealPC! Now I can properly attempt to restore my "butchered" (read: I suck at unsoldering) Filco TKL board.
67g springs on Massdrop will be vastly different from my custom springs. Massdrop's version is based on actuation point, whereas my weighting system (along with other Korean springs) are based on bottom out force.
Hi Zeal!
Thanks for the GB. I received my email announcing shipment last week. However the mail did not contain a tracking number nor the link given. If I look at the page the tracking info are empty. Is that normal? Do you mind to look it up, please?
Thank you.
Hi Ngt,
The shipping method you chose [Canada Post Int'l Air - (6-10 Business Days, No Tracking/Insurance)] does not come with tracking. From my experience, it usually delivers within a week for European countries. That's why "N/A" is used, meaning not applicable/not available.
Post by: blai5000 on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:46:09
Post by: thaddeus on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:56:13
(http://i.imgur.com/KoSysjW.jpg)
Unfortunately there isn't an empty PCB anywhere in the house :( I would LOVE to rip the browns out of my ES-87, but I purchased the Zealios for a 60% I have in mind...what do :-\
*EDIT: And because it has not been said enough, THANK YOU ZEAL. This is my first group buy experience and it has gone so buttery smooth. I fear you may have spoiled me for the reality of other GBs :))
Post by: Ngt on Thu, 29 October 2015, 03:42:22
Haha, ok. Silly me. I forgot that I didn't choose a shipping with tracking ... Thanks for clarifying that for me. ;)Just got mine today, realized that I messed up and chose the 62g option for the clear zealio switches rather than the 67g. Oh well, its a good thing that I bought those 67g springs from Massdrop. Thanks so much ZealPC! Now I can properly attempt to restore my "butchered" (read: I suck at unsoldering) Filco TKL board.
67g springs on Massdrop will be vastly different from my custom springs. Massdrop's version is based on actuation point, whereas my weighting system (along with other Korean springs) are based on bottom out force.Hi Zeal!
Thanks for the GB. I received my email announcing shipment last week. However the mail did not contain a tracking number nor the link given. If I look at the page the tracking info are empty. Is that normal? Do you mind to look it up, please?
Thank you.
Hi Ngt,
The shipping method you chose [Canada Post Int'l Air - (6-10 Business Days, No Tracking/Insurance)] does not come with tracking. From my experience, it usually delivers within a week for European countries. That's why "N/A" is used, meaning not applicable/not available.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 29 October 2015, 04:23:19
Just got mine today, realized that I messed up and chose the 62g option for the clear zealio switches rather than the 67g. Oh well, its a good thing that I bought those 67g springs from Massdrop. Thanks so much ZealPC! Now I can properly attempt to restore my "butchered" (read: I suck at unsoldering) Filco TKL board.
You too? It's like the 62g just want to be bought :))
Post by: E3E on Thu, 29 October 2015, 05:06:04
Just got mine today, realized that I messed up and chose the 62g option for the clear zealio switches rather than the 67g. Oh well, its a good thing that I bought those 67g springs from Massdrop. Thanks so much ZealPC! Now I can properly attempt to restore my "butchered" (read: I suck at unsoldering) Filco TKL board.
You too? It's like the 62g just want to be bought :))
Hehe. 62g is definitely the most popular spring weight for Korean springs in general. Even though 67g springs are seeming to get a ton of love, they still aren't beating out the demand for 62g.
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 29 October 2015, 05:15:24
A Clear slider actually has just a touch more tactility than the stock purple, but the rough surface really lets it down. If you look really closely at both together you can see the tactile bump on the Clear stem is just a touch more prominent and the purple a little less, but they're very, very similar and like I said, the smoothness trumps the bump.
In case anyone thinks I'm being overly critical of these, it's simply that they're so good that you can even notice the small details of the movement and feeling of them.
Post by: UTEster750 on Thu, 29 October 2015, 05:27:51
I actually really like the 62g version. I'm happy with the 65g, but the 67g is too heavy for my tastes. I get the "Topre-like" comments, but I'm not a Topre fan anyway, so... To me it seems the 62g does have the most tactility and the smoothess makes them sooooo nice to use. With th 67g it feels like the stronger spring masks a little of the tactility. Glad I bought a few of them to test, though, otherwise it would have bugged me not knowing. They all have good "pop" thanks to the stronger Gateron contact leaf and smoothness.
A Clear slider actually has just a touch more tactility than the stock purple, but the rough surface really lets it down. If you look really closely at both together you can see the tactile bump on the Clear stem is just a touch more prominent and the purple a little less, but they're very, very similar and like I said, the smoothness trumps the bump.
In case anyone thinks I'm being overly critical of these, it's simply that they're so good that you can even notice the small details of the movement and feeling of them.
Can't stop playing with the one 67g switch I have on my desk, really enjoying it! :p
Post by: keshley on Thu, 29 October 2015, 06:18:41
So, for those that ordered cables as well, Zeal is making his way through. :thumb:
Post by: Xonar on Thu, 29 October 2015, 08:54:33
(http://i.imgur.com/yl05dYm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OfPU49X.jpg)
Don't have them on a board yet but so far they're absolutely the best MX-type switch I've ever tried.
(http://i.imgur.com/FF1bu8D.jpg)
Almost ready to construct my Zealio 60%...
Post by: Dee1 on Thu, 29 October 2015, 10:19:46
Got an update re: spring lube. Mkawa will be shipping out the spring lube package by the end of the week, so I should be receiving the package first/second week of November. Once I get those vials in, orders with spring lube will be shipped out asap.Awesome! That means I can get mine soon! :D
Post by: thaddeus on Thu, 29 October 2015, 13:01:27
You're the man, Zeal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yl05dYm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OfPU49X.jpg)
Don't have them on a board yet but so far they're absolutely the best MX-type switch I've ever tried.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FF1bu8D.jpg)
Almost ready to construct my Zealio 60%...
Ooooo, you're making me drool. What PCB is that?
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 29 October 2015, 13:06:37
Looks like a white sprit facew to me (I built a zealio board with one myself.You're the man, Zeal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yl05dYm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OfPU49X.jpg)
Don't have them on a board yet but so far they're absolutely the best MX-type switch I've ever tried.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FF1bu8D.jpg)
Almost ready to construct my Zealio 60%...
Ooooo, you're making me drool. What PCB is that?
Post by: rpeterclark on Thu, 29 October 2015, 13:12:20
Looks like a white sprit facew to me (I built a zealio board with one myself.You're the man, Zeal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yl05dYm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OfPU49X.jpg)
Don't have them on a board yet but so far they're absolutely the best MX-type switch I've ever tried.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FF1bu8D.jpg)
Almost ready to construct my Zealio 60%...
Ooooo, you're making me drool. What PCB is that?
That's a b.face (http://winkeyless.kr/product/b-face-x2-pcb/). It's got that sweet RGB underlighting.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 29 October 2015, 13:18:12
Oooo! Get me in on that action! (aka, post pics when it's built, I wanna see!)Looks like a white sprit facew to me (I built a zealio board with one myself.You're the man, Zeal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yl05dYm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OfPU49X.jpg)
Don't have them on a board yet but so far they're absolutely the best MX-type switch I've ever tried.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FF1bu8D.jpg)
Almost ready to construct my Zealio 60%...
Ooooo, you're making me drool. What PCB is that?
That's a b.face (http://winkeyless.kr/product/b-face-x2-pcb/). It's got that sweet RGB underlighting.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 29 October 2015, 13:55:02
Just got mine today, realized that I messed up and chose the 62g option for the clear zealio switches rather than the 67g. Oh well, its a good thing that I bought those 67g springs from Massdrop. Thanks so much ZealPC! Now I can properly attempt to restore my "butchered" (read: I suck at unsoldering) Filco TKL board.
You too? It's like the 62g just want to be bought :))
Hehe. 62g is definitely the most popular spring weight for Korean springs in general. Even though 67g springs are seeming to get a ton of love, they still aren't beating out the demand for 62g.
Maybe so but we both wanted 67g and somehow landed up ordering 62s!
I actually really like the 62g version. I'm happy with the 65g, but the 67g is too heavy for my tastes.
Sounds like I should try a 62g purple, but the 62g clears are like typing on air to my fingers. I need a bump or at least a noticeable amount of resistance but there's nothing there, and it will only get worse once gravity and the weight of a keycap are added :)) Some people will surely love the lack of effort required though - it's good to have options!
Post by: Butter on Thu, 29 October 2015, 15:01:51
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 29 October 2015, 15:04:45
Quick question what is the different between Zealio linear and gateron red? Other then the clear tops and bottom.And a translucent slider!
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 29 October 2015, 15:06:00
Quick question what is the different between Zealio linear and gateron red? Other then the clear tops and bottom.Support for RGB LED's is big. I think the springs are different as well (as in Zealios have gold springs), but I could be wrong about what Zeal's springs are actually made of.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 29 October 2015, 15:06:54
I'm pretty sure they are gold plated. Pure gold wouldn't make a very good spring, as far as I'm aware.Quick question what is the different between Zealio linear and gateron red? Other then the clear tops and bottom.Support for RGB LED's is big. I think the springs are different as well (as in Zealios have gold springs), but I could be wrong about what Zeal's springs are actually made of.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 29 October 2015, 15:08:30
Should have made it clear, I meant gold plated, not pure gold obvI'm pretty sure they are gold plated. Pure gold wouldn't make a very good spring, as far as I'm aware.Quick question what is the different between Zealio linear and gateron red? Other then the clear tops and bottom.Support for RGB LED's is big. I think the springs are different as well (as in Zealios have gold springs), but I could be wrong about what Zeal's springs are actually made of.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 29 October 2015, 16:04:43
Quick question what is the different between Zealio linear and gateron red? Other then the clear tops and bottom.
Slightly heavier spring with more spring options. The spring weight is in the "goldy-locks" area between a Gateron red and black spring. They're also gold plated for an extra dash of bling ;)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 29 October 2015, 16:59:50
I figure I should finally get around to taking some pics of the board I built. 67g purple Zealios.
Thanks Zeal! These are definitely my favorite switches, by far!!! (you might be getting an order for 100 or so from me here pretty soon, when Mira ever happens
) I hope that the pics aren't too potato. I took them with my phone...
Post by: Vozella on Thu, 29 October 2015, 17:00:44
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 29 October 2015, 17:02:37
You're out of stock of the 62g variant of the Purple Zealio switches. How long until they're back in stock? I'd like to buy the Zealio Switch Sampler Pack but I want to wait until the 62g variant are included.Zeal said that they will be back in Stock whenever he makes an order for restocking. Could be a while (my guess would be that he'll order more once most of the switches are running low on stock...)
Post by: steve.v on Fri, 30 October 2015, 05:18:46
Post by: romevi on Fri, 30 October 2015, 08:17:47
Where can I get the latest and greatest lube for these purple zealios?Zeal's store!
Post by: kekstee on Fri, 30 October 2015, 12:36:00
Comparing these 67g Zealios to stock Clears, they are bit lighter, the scratchiness is gone and the bump somehow feels snappier due to a longer travel from bump to cushioning/bottom.
With some 62g Springs I had the scratchiness issue of Clears gets much more pronounced. The spring sometimes feels like it has difficulties pushing the switch back over the bump. Not so with Zealios. But the bump suffered a bit here, it doesn't feel so much at the top like with the 67g version. I wish I had one or two 65g or even actual 62g Zealios for comparison, but thats what I could gather from my order :D Now I just need that PCB leaving Korea already.
Note though that I'd take the 62g version over Browns any day.
Post by: ika on Fri, 30 October 2015, 13:24:09
Post by: cjhard on Fri, 30 October 2015, 13:45:03
Has anyone looked into why some people are getting switches that actuate above the bump? I thought it was a problem with people who were modding these switches, but I discovered that I have one such switch in my =/+ key. I can barely brush the key and it will actuate. Unfortunately it's in my b.87 so I can't open the switch top to see what's wrong; I'll probably have to desolder the thing to fix it. Is it an issue with the switch leaf? Bent out of shape or something?
I'm kinda glad I'm not the only one... I'm not entirely incompetent yay!
I'll be buying a multimeter (or a multimeter kit) before my next Zealio's build to make sure my switches are consistently post-bump actuated before soldering.
Post by: Nufrifin on Sat, 31 October 2015, 18:53:48
They feel very nice, but it seems that QC has to be done by whoever makes the keyboard, one out of a 100 had a weird issue, switch was permanently closed.
If you were to push the slider in a little, it would open, and then close again quickly.
I opened it up and found this (healthy slider in the back for comparison)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67294255/slider.png)
So, I would recommend to order slightly more than required and test every switch before using them.
Post by: strict on Sat, 31 October 2015, 21:31:18
It crossed my mind for a brief second for put some stock Cherry MX clear springs into the Zealios since I'm a huge fan of their force curve but decided to ride out 67g for now. Anyone tried Cherry clear springs inside some Zealio's yet?
Post by: Rayoui on Sat, 31 October 2015, 22:55:07
Has anyone looked into why some people are getting switches that actuate above the bump? I thought it was a problem with people who were modding these switches, but I discovered that I have one such switch in my =/+ key. I can barely brush the key and it will actuate. Unfortunately it's in my b.87 so I can't open the switch top to see what's wrong; I'll probably have to desolder the thing to fix it. Is it an issue with the switch leaf? Bent out of shape or something?
I had this issue with a large number of switches. I'm glad it's not just me. I ended up having to desolder and replace some of them several times because many of the new ones I would try were faulty as well. After finally getting 61 working switches in my keyboard, I now have a bin with 32 switches that actuate above the bump.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 31 October 2015, 23:00:35
Wow! I bought 65 (sorry zeal) and every one of mine was in great condition.Has anyone looked into why some people are getting switches that actuate above the bump? I thought it was a problem with people who were modding these switches, but I discovered that I have one such switch in my =/+ key. I can barely brush the key and it will actuate. Unfortunately it's in my b.87 so I can't open the switch top to see what's wrong; I'll probably have to desolder the thing to fix it. Is it an issue with the switch leaf? Bent out of shape or something?
I had this issue with a large number of switches. I'm glad it's not just me. I ended up having to desolder and replace some of them several times because many of the new ones I would try were faulty as well. After finally getting 61 working switches in my keyboard, I now have a bin with 32 switches that actuate above the bump.
Post by: Nufrifin on Sat, 31 October 2015, 23:06:57
Post by: Rayoui on Sat, 31 October 2015, 23:41:23
Rayoui, if you have the time, could you please open one of those switches and see if the slider looks like it should?
I opened a few of them after removing them but didn't notice anything obviously deformed about the stem or leaf.
I just tested a few with a multimeter and can confirm that they do indeed actuate above the bump.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 01 November 2015, 00:16:03
Got my order!
They feel very nice, but it seems that QC has to be done by whoever makes the keyboard, one out of a 100 had a weird issue, switch was permanently closed.
If you were to push the slider in a little, it would open, and then close again quickly.
I opened it up and found this (healthy slider in the back for comparison)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67294255/slider.png)
So, I would recommend to order slightly more than required and test every switch before using them.
God tip, thank you very much. I will try all of them before to solder them. It is a shame QC is not hat good lastly with some of the recent GBs, including some GMK's.
Post by: KnivesM on Sun, 01 November 2015, 00:52:19
Post by: renzpwns on Sun, 01 November 2015, 01:16:43
Finally got around to lubing my Zealios, went with GHer's thick lube and left in the 67g spring. It feels eerily similar to 45g Topre. This Phantom is now definitely my favorite MX board, it amazes me how obscenely smooth lubed Zealios are. I would say normal zealios are about 85% as smooth as reasonably possible, properly lubed they go to like 95%. There's definitely a noticable difference but it's not a pronounced or substantial one, mostly when striking a key off-center.
Hey, just wanted to ask a few questions about lubing the Zealios. I got the thick lube with my order and I'm wondering which parts of the switch did you lube? Like the stems, sliders and springs and all that. I've been experimenting with some of the switches but I just want to know what others think on it.
Post by: Zorox on Sun, 01 November 2015, 01:40:41
Finally got around to lubing my Zealios, went with GHer's thick lube and left in the 67g spring. It feels eerily similar to 45g Topre. This Phantom is now definitely my favorite MX board, it amazes me how obscenely smooth lubed Zealios are. I would say normal zealios are about 85% as smooth as reasonably possible, properly lubed they go to like 95%. There's definitely a noticable difference but it's not a pronounced or substantial one, mostly when striking a key off-center.
It crossed my mind for a brief second for put some stock Cherry MX clear springs into the Zealios since I'm a huge fan of their force curve but decided to ride out 67g for now. Anyone tried Cherry clear springs inside some Zealio's yet?
I can pretty assume that the feeling when you replace Cherry clear springs into Zealios would be almost the same as normal Cherry clear. The springs are the reason people chose Zealios imho :D
Post by: ripwallet on Sun, 01 November 2015, 06:28:56
Post by: strict on Sun, 01 November 2015, 08:04:25
Hey, just wanted to ask a few questions about lubing the Zealios. I got the thick lube with my order and I'm wondering which parts of the switch did you lube? Like the stems, sliders and springs and all that. I've been experimenting with some of the switches but I just want to know what others think on it.
I used an old cell phone screen as a sort of palette for lube and applied it to the center post, the legs, and the side rails. I applied on the lighter side of what I would consider a medium volume of lubricant, with the majority being applied to the side rails and legs and basically whatever was left on the brush was then applied to the center post. I tried lubing springs on a couple test switches but it doesn't seem to make a noticeable difference on Zealios so I skipped it.
Post by: strict on Mon, 02 November 2015, 08:03:11
I have to admit, I'm less than impressed by the shear number of my switches having this issue. If it were only 1 or even 2 I wouldn't have even said anything, but when you're getting close to a 10% failure rate that is a sincere problem.
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 02 November 2015, 08:17:11
So I brought my Phantom with Zealios in to work to use today and I'm having some serious issues with it. At least 8 of the 86 switches activate early (before the tactile bump) and are causing keys presses to double-register non-stop. Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Swap out to a different stem? Replace the switch?
I have to admit, I'm less than impressed by the shear number of my switches having this issue. If it were only 1 or even 2 I wouldn't have even said anything, but when you're getting close to a 10% failure rate that is a sincere problem.
Best solution I can give you is to test all your switches with a multimeter, explicitly wobbling them into various directions the switch allows. Fingers crossed whatever causes this behaviour can be identified, worked around, and fixed for the next restock if possible.
Post by: Rayoui on Mon, 02 November 2015, 08:20:10
So I brought my Phantom with Zealios in to work to use today and I'm having some serious issues with it. At least 8 of the 86 switches activate early (before the tactile bump) and are causing keys presses to double-register non-stop. Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Swap out to a different stem? Replace the switch?
I have to admit, I'm less than impressed by the shear number of my switches having this issue. If it were only 1 or even 2 I wouldn't have even said anything, but when you're getting close to a 10% failure rate that is a sincere problem.
I'm not sure of a fix but many of my switches had the same issue. I took apart a few of the ones I removed and noticed that the contacts on the leaf sit very close together with the slider in its up position where there should be a clear separation between the contacts. Strangely enough, none of the new, unused switches I have exhibit this problem at all (verified with multimeter).
I also noticed that the bottom of the switch housing where the pins pass through have markings where the plastic appears to have melted slightly around the pins. If this is the case, the portions of the housing holding the leaf in place could be heating up enough to shift slightly during soldering causing the resting position of the leaf to change.
I know Cherry uses PBT plastic in their housings which is very resistant to heat. I'm not sure what kind of plastic is used in these clear housings.
I used a fairly hot iron when I soldered the switches (it wasn't adjustable) and I ended up with 32 malfunctioning switches. I haven't tried it yet, but using a lower temperature on the iron might help.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 02 November 2015, 09:37:09
That sounds like that may well be the issue, because at a 10-30% failure rate, I would assume that I would have gotten some broken switches, but I didn't, so that makes me think that it probably is due to the heat of the iron (I have a makerspace near me, and I used their really nice temperature adjustable iron, so I was running pretty low heat.)So I brought my Phantom with Zealios in to work to use today and I'm having some serious issues with it. At least 8 of the 86 switches activate early (before the tactile bump) and are causing keys presses to double-register non-stop. Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Swap out to a different stem? Replace the switch?
I have to admit, I'm less than impressed by the shear number of my switches having this issue. If it were only 1 or even 2 I wouldn't have even said anything, but when you're getting close to a 10% failure rate that is a sincere problem.
I'm not sure of a fix but many of my switches had the same issue. I took apart a few of the ones I removed and noticed that the contacts on the leaf sit very close together with the slider in its up position where there should be a clear separation between the contacts. Strangely enough, none of the new, unused switches I have exhibit this problem at all (verified with multimeter).
I also noticed that the bottom of the switch housing where the pins pass through have markings where the plastic appears to have melted slightly around the pins. If this is the case, the portions of the housing holding the leaf in place could be heating up enough to shift slightly during soldering causing the resting position of the leaf to change.
I know Cherry uses PBT plastic in their housings which is very resistant to heat. I'm not sure what kind of plastic is used in these clear housings.
I used a fairly hot iron when I soldered the switches (it wasn't adjustable) and I ended up with 32 malfunctioning switches. I haven't tried it yet, but using a lower temperature on the iron might help.
Post by: strict on Mon, 02 November 2015, 09:42:27
That sounds like that may well be the issue, because at a 10-30% failure rate, I would assume that I would have gotten some broken switches, but I didn't, so that makes me think that it probably is due to the heat of the iron (I have a makerspace near me, and I used their really nice temperature adjustable iron, so I was running pretty low heat.)So I brought my Phantom with Zealios in to work to use today and I'm having some serious issues with it. At least 8 of the 86 switches activate early (before the tactile bump) and are causing keys presses to double-register non-stop. Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Swap out to a different stem? Replace the switch?
I have to admit, I'm less than impressed by the shear number of my switches having this issue. If it were only 1 or even 2 I wouldn't have even said anything, but when you're getting close to a 10% failure rate that is a sincere problem.
I'm not sure of a fix but many of my switches had the same issue. I took apart a few of the ones I removed and noticed that the contacts on the leaf sit very close together with the slider in its up position where there should be a clear separation between the contacts. Strangely enough, none of the new, unused switches I have exhibit this problem at all (verified with multimeter).
I also noticed that the bottom of the switch housing where the pins pass through have markings where the plastic appears to have melted slightly around the pins. If this is the case, the portions of the housing holding the leaf in place could be heating up enough to shift slightly during soldering causing the resting position of the leaf to change.
I know Cherry uses PBT plastic in their housings which is very resistant to heat. I'm not sure what kind of plastic is used in these clear housings.
I used a fairly hot iron when I soldered the switches (it wasn't adjustable) and I ended up with 32 malfunctioning switches. I haven't tried it yet, but using a lower temperature on the iron might help.
I used a nice Weller WES50 set at 550F which is where I've had it set for every other switch I've ever installed and never had this issue, Gateron or Cherry. Not saying that's not the issue, but if it is there should be a huge disclaimer about the extra heat sensitivity when installing these.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 02 November 2015, 09:59:36
Huh, I think I was running a touch closer to 600F than you. I did, however, cheat a little bit because I didn't really heat up the pins, I just flowed solder into the holes, so it went extremely quickly.That sounds like that may well be the issue, because at a 10-30% failure rate, I would assume that I would have gotten some broken switches, but I didn't, so that makes me think that it probably is due to the heat of the iron (I have a makerspace near me, and I used their really nice temperature adjustable iron, so I was running pretty low heat.)So I brought my Phantom with Zealios in to work to use today and I'm having some serious issues with it. At least 8 of the 86 switches activate early (before the tactile bump) and are causing keys presses to double-register non-stop. Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Swap out to a different stem? Replace the switch?
I have to admit, I'm less than impressed by the shear number of my switches having this issue. If it were only 1 or even 2 I wouldn't have even said anything, but when you're getting close to a 10% failure rate that is a sincere problem.
I'm not sure of a fix but many of my switches had the same issue. I took apart a few of the ones I removed and noticed that the contacts on the leaf sit very close together with the slider in its up position where there should be a clear separation between the contacts. Strangely enough, none of the new, unused switches I have exhibit this problem at all (verified with multimeter).
I also noticed that the bottom of the switch housing where the pins pass through have markings where the plastic appears to have melted slightly around the pins. If this is the case, the portions of the housing holding the leaf in place could be heating up enough to shift slightly during soldering causing the resting position of the leaf to change.
I know Cherry uses PBT plastic in their housings which is very resistant to heat. I'm not sure what kind of plastic is used in these clear housings.
I used a fairly hot iron when I soldered the switches (it wasn't adjustable) and I ended up with 32 malfunctioning switches. I haven't tried it yet, but using a lower temperature on the iron might help.
I used a nice Weller WES50 set at 550F which is where I've had it set for every other switch I've ever installed and never had this issue, Gateron or Cherry. Not saying that's not the issue, but if it is there should be a huge disclaimer about the extra heat sensitivity when installing these.
Post by: ika on Mon, 02 November 2015, 10:09:02
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 02 November 2015, 10:43:14
with almost a third of your switches having issues, 10% of another user's switches with issues, and only one out of 100 of my switches with issues, I'm inclined to think the soldering method is the key. I even opened all of my Zealios up to put SIP sockets in and I still only see problems with one switch.I also did SIP sockets, and I haven't had a single issue with the switches.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 02 November 2015, 10:44:48
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 02 November 2015, 10:47:34
I installed all my LED's inside the switches and soldered with the Edsyn CL1481 fixed temp iron I got from mkawa ("between 325 and 450 degrees celsius" per his site). Only 5 switches applied to my FaceW were affected. It was my second ever soldering attempt, so I was naturally real rough with it
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 02 November 2015, 10:54:39
Install with SIP sockets appears to be the way to go with Zealios.
I really have no desire to install with SIP sockets, so I'll do a board without them and report back on how it goes.
Post by: E3E on Mon, 02 November 2015, 11:00:55
Install with SIP sockets appears to be the way to go with Zealios.
[Insert thoughts about using twice as many SIP sockets for RGB LEDs here]
:eek:
[EDIT: {Then realize you are sleep deprived and being stupid, E3E}]
:confused:
Post by: inanis on Mon, 02 November 2015, 11:07:44
Post by: rpeterclark on Mon, 02 November 2015, 11:08:28
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 02 November 2015, 11:09:52
I don't see how SIP sockets could have any affect. I think ika was just noting that he added SIP sockets (thus heating the metal/switch contact points twice) and only had one instance of the problem, in comparison to some people who only soldered the switches once and have encountered the issue much more frequently. However, it sounds plausible to me that whatever the clear plastic is on the switch bottom in just not as heat as the standard switch bottom materials and that a little too much heat can deform it, thereby deforming the switch interior.
Makes sense. I'll only be using enough heat to melt the solder, nothing more.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 02 November 2015, 11:19:26
Post by: ika on Mon, 02 November 2015, 11:22:26
I do have a suspicion that some of the friction/rubbing/mushy bottom out I'm experiencing either has to do with the fact that my PCB has LEDs to the bottom, or due to the SIP sockets making the switch top not sit as flush as it could be. I'm still looking into why I have/had issues with the bottom-out on my switches but no one other than Oobly has mentioned it. I need to go so hopefully this post makes sense.
Post by: E3E on Mon, 02 November 2015, 11:30:48
I don't see how SIP sockets could have any affect. I think ika was just noting that he added SIP sockets (thus heating the metal/switch contact points twice) and only had one instance of the problem, in comparison to some people who only soldered the switches once and have encountered the issue much more frequently. However, it sounds plausible to me that whatever the clear plastic is on the switch bottom in just not as heat as the standard switch bottom materials and that a little too much heat can deform it, thereby deforming the switch interior.
Makes sense. I'll only be using enough heat to melt the solder, nothing more.
Yeah, I keep my soldering iron set to 256c so it's just enough to melt the solder and not blazing to the point of destroying pads or singing the switch bottoms.
Desoldering is usually the only time you'd ever see the bottoms possibly singe for the most part though, especially if you're having trouble soldering a particular pad.
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 02 November 2015, 11:43:03
Post by: ccc24 on Mon, 02 November 2015, 12:04:18
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 02 November 2015, 12:13:32
is this an issue with all the different weights? I have yet to put my purple 67's into a board yet...so it'd be nice to pinpoint the problem before I do.I have 67s and I didn't have a single issue with them, at all.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 02 November 2015, 12:24:21
That being said, after shipping out almost all the Zealios (still working on cables/spring lube), I got really curious if I could replicate the chattering issue in order to experience it first hand.
I spent Saturday afternoon modding/lubing my 65g Zealios (they are unbelievably quiet after lube!) and soldered my Viper on Sunday. I used my Edsyn 951sxe @650F with a medium sized chisel tip and Kester 44 63/37 0.021" solder. It's a 95W iron so heat transfer and regen is really quick. Both pins and joints were touching the tip, and solder was being fed onto the tip to flow. Viper PCB has a larger hole for 1 pin (to support matias switches), so those pads were heated for longer than the other.
Here's the result (http://puu.sh/l6SAX/c6ccecc5b7.png)
I only grabbed 60 Zealios out of the bin and nothing more. I did not replace any switches or do any "checks". No chattering or actuation before bump was found. I wiggled all the keys in all directions before spamming each key a couple times in EK's switch hitter.
I will say that the transparent line of Zealios were designed for enthusiast use only (meaning no automated wave soldering). Yes, the bottom housing has a lower melting point than stock Gateron/Cherry switches, but that's the limitation of the nylon polymer used to achieve the transparent look. Gateron has confirmed with me that it will be fine for hand soldering though. If manufacturers were to use Zealios, their version would require the use of the "milky" nylon bottom housing that has fiberglass mixed into it. Maybe I got super lucky, maybe it's the soldering technique that's deforming the bottom housing. Would anyone be able to perform some more testing to see if non-soldered Zealios are affected?
There was some discussion on reddit found here (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3qya72/keyboard_science_poking_switches_including_purple/) and they think it may be the stem size causing issue. It could be both though?
Post by: mtl on Mon, 02 November 2015, 12:36:40
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 02 November 2015, 12:58:09
51:56.0790 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) DOWN
51:56.0794 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) UP -> 5ms
It ranges between 5ms and 64ms each tap. The best way to identify these is to just kinda tap your fingers against the top of the cap a few times, the maybe-defective ones actuate like MX Red's with a 10g spring :p
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 02 November 2015, 13:12:52
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 02 November 2015, 13:38:44
Hi Zeal, Thanks for working to make these the best switches possible. For v2, can you make the PCB mount legs about 0.1 mm narrower? They're still too tight for a PCB I had made using a common MX footprint. I've ordered a new PCB with wider holes to test the fit.Can't make injection moulds smaller, only larger. :x I've tried Gaterons and Zealios on a few PCBs, and it seems like only winkeyless' line of PCBs have a tight PCB hole. Duck, LZ all fit in smoothly. If you feel that the PCB holes are a bit too tight, you can shave one or two of the "micro-fins" down for a snug fit.
I can see my right Ctrl key is activating too high, but it's not showing up as red on EK's program. Just by giving the top of the keycap a light tap a few times I was able to get it to log this repeatedly:
51:56.0790 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) DOWN
51:56.0794 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) UP -> 5ms
It ranges between 5ms and 64ms each tap. The best way to identify these is to just kinda tap your fingers against the top of the cap a few times, the maybe-defective ones actuate like MX Red's with a 10g spring :p
I just tried again, the shortest I was able to get was 15ms, but that was me tapping into the top of the tactile bump and letting go. Everything else for a full travel was around 30-60ms avg.
I could only spend a few minutes on this during lunch and I did find a few switches that had a malformed stem like the one someone pictured above. However, those switches operate just fine and feel fine. So far the switches with major chattering are all melted a bit at the pins.
Please provide some pictures if possible. I'll be collecting pictures to submit to Gateron. I'd also like to see how deformed the bottom housings were.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 02 November 2015, 13:40:45
My zealios fit in my sprit facew pcb just fine. I'm thinking I might grab a nerd pcd and see what desoldering does to the switches.Hi Zeal, Thanks for working to make these the best switches possible. For v2, can you make the PCB mount legs about 0.1 mm narrower? They're still too tight for a PCB I had made using a common MX footprint. I've ordered a new PCB with wider holes to test the fit.Can't make injection moulds smaller, only larger. :x I've tried Gaterons and Zealios on a few PCBs, and it seems like only winkeyless' line of PCBs have a tight PCB hole. Duck, LZ all fit in smoothly. If you feel that the PCB holes are a bit too tight, you can shave one or two of the "micro-fins" down for a snug fit.I can see my right Ctrl key is activating too high, but it's not showing up as red on EK's program. Just by giving the top of the keycap a light tap a few times I was able to get it to log this repeatedly:
51:56.0790 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) DOWN
51:56.0794 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) UP -> 5ms
It ranges between 5ms and 64ms each tap. The best way to identify these is to just kinda tap your fingers against the top of the cap a few times, the maybe-defective ones actuate like MX Red's with a 10g spring
I just tried again, the shortest I was able to get was 15ms, but that was me tapping into the top of the tactile bump and letting go. Everything else for a full travel was around 30-60ms avg.I could only spend a few minutes on this during lunch and I did find a few switches that had a malformed stem like the one someone pictured above. However, those switches operate just fine and feel fine. So far the switches with major chattering are all melted a bit at the pins.
Please provide some pictures if possible. I'll be collecting pictures to submit to Gateron. I'd also like to see how deformed the bottom housings were.
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 02 November 2015, 13:48:14
You guys got any other pearls of wisdom I've missed out on?
Post by: filphil on Mon, 02 November 2015, 13:50:20
http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/others/135-cherry-switch-puller.html
I noticed that when I use this tool(modded to gons specifications) to pull switches out of a plate that it cracks the front area of the switch top(where the led is fed through). Normally cherry mx tops and cherry mx switches with gateron clear switch tops are tough enough to withstand being pulled that way. I'm not sure if it's a result of the material in the switch top or the snugness of the switch to the pcb but I thought I'd let you know.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 02 November 2015, 13:52:14
Hey zeal,That's interesting. I've yanked a few with nothing but a paper clip I bent with a Leatherman, and my switches are all looking like new.
http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/others/135-cherry-switch-puller.html
I noticed that when I use this tool(modded to gons specifications) to pull switches out of a plate that it cracks the front area of the switch top(where the led is fed through). Normally cherry mx tops and cherry mx switches with gateron clear switch tops are tough enough to withstand being pulled that way. I'm not sure if it's a result of the material in the switch top or the snugness of the switch to the pcb but I thought I'd let you know.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 02 November 2015, 13:57:22
Hey zeal,
http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/others/135-cherry-switch-puller.html
I noticed that when I use this tool(modded to gons specifications) to pull switches out of a plate that it cracks the front area of the switch top(where the led is fed through). Normally cherry mx tops and cherry mx switches with gateron clear switch tops are tough enough to withstand being pulled that way. I'm not sure if it's a result of the material in the switch top or the snugness of the switch to the pcb but I thought I'd let you know.
That's interesting. I've used the Topre keypuller to pull Zealios out of a plate+PCB and have not had such issues (wiggle+pull). I'll try again later in the afternoon. Please provide some pictures if possible.
Post by: filphil on Mon, 02 November 2015, 14:12:41
Hey zeal,
http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/others/135-cherry-switch-puller.html
I noticed that when I use this tool(modded to gons specifications) to pull switches out of a plate that it cracks the front area of the switch top(where the led is fed through). Normally cherry mx tops and cherry mx switches with gateron clear switch tops are tough enough to withstand being pulled that way. I'm not sure if it's a result of the material in the switch top or the snugness of the switch to the pcb but I thought I'd let you know.
That's interesting. I've used the Topre keypuller to pull Zealios out of a plate+PCB and have not had such issues (wiggle+pull). I'll try again later in the afternoon. Please provide some pictures if possible.
What happens is it pushes the tabs in and lifts purely from the switch top. I'll get you a pic when i can.
Edit::
(http://i.imgur.com/MBOcWgv.jpg?1)
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 02 November 2015, 14:20:33
Please provide some pictures if possible. I'll be collecting pictures to submit to Gateron. I'd also like to see how deformed the bottom housings were.
I'll take some pics when I get home. I tried to take some real quick before I went back to work but it didn't show up well.
I assume you have a large quantity of 65g tactile on hand ready to ship? I may just end up replacing these 62g (some of which I melted) with 65g.
Post by: rpeterclark on Mon, 02 November 2015, 14:50:01
Hey zeal,
http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/others/135-cherry-switch-puller.html
I noticed that when I use this tool(modded to gons specifications) to pull switches out of a plate that it cracks the front area of the switch top(where the led is fed through). Normally cherry mx tops and cherry mx switches with gateron clear switch tops are tough enough to withstand being pulled that way. I'm not sure if it's a result of the material in the switch top or the snugness of the switch to the pcb but I thought I'd let you know.
That's interesting. I've used the Topre keypuller to pull Zealios out of a plate+PCB and have not had such issues (wiggle+pull). I'll try again later in the afternoon. Please provide some pictures if possible.
What happens is it pushes the tabs in and lifts purely from the switch top. I'll get you a pic when i can.
Edit::Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MBOcWgv.jpg?1)
I suspect that has to do with it having less material in that cross area to make room for RGB LEDs. If you look at a regular switch top there's a lot more structure there that probably helps it withstand the pulling.
Post by: strict on Mon, 02 November 2015, 16:46:20
(https://i.imgur.com/rUPbRn5.png)
Post by: strict on Mon, 02 November 2015, 17:03:22
I think what confounds me about this is that I soldered on a relatively low temp (550F-575F) and did not hold the iron tip on the legs any longer than needed on any of these switches and I still ended up with a >10% failure rate. Is it possible that these things are truly that sensitive to heat?? I have a hard time imagining that to be the case, I wish I had a better multimeter to test some of my unsoldered spares laying around to see if any of them have this issue.
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 02 November 2015, 17:55:32
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 02 November 2015, 18:27:26
Please provide some pictures if possible. I'll be collecting pictures to submit to Gateron. I'd also like to see how deformed the bottom housings were.
I'll take some pics when I get home. I tried to take some real quick before I went back to work but it didn't show up well.
I assume you have a large quantity of 65g tactile on hand ready to ship? I may just end up replacing these 62g (some of which I melted) with 65g.
Yes, I have a large quantity of 65g and 67g Zealios remaining.
A quick way to test the heat sensitivity theory is to fire up your iron to heat, apply tip to leg of one sacrificial Zealio, and see how long it takes before it gets all melty and junk. +100 bonus points if you record it with a fancy schmancy macro lens so we can all clearly see what the ****s going on, and how long one Zealio can stand the heat before it has to get out of the kitchen
On Behalf of Zeal PC, I'll do that for the name of science. :P
Post by: romevi on Mon, 02 November 2015, 18:34:40
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 02 November 2015, 18:39:18
Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.I only have 67, but the bump feels massive to me.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 02 November 2015, 18:43:21
Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
The bump from the 65g feels longer than 67g for some reason. It was noted in the reviews. I think it's just the slightly stiffer spring that causes the shorter bump on 67gs.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 02 November 2015, 18:50:38
Ah, that makes sense. I read the reviews but obviously forgot.Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
The bump from the 65g feels longer than 67g for some reason. It was noted in the reviews. I think it's just the slightly stiffer spring that causes the shorter bump on 67gs.
Thanks so much!
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 02 November 2015, 18:53:03
Post by: hebbler on Mon, 02 November 2015, 18:54:17
Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
This was my experience with the standard Cherry switches also. Increasing the spring weight on the clear and brown (tactile) switches lessens the feeling of the bump. Lighter springs had the opposite effect. More finger pressure to activate but same pressure required to overcome the bump, means you feel less of the bump is my guess.
Post by: W_hinklebottom on Mon, 02 November 2015, 20:13:16
Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
This was my experience with the standard Cherry switches also. Increasing the spring weight on the clear and brown (tactile) switches lessens the feeling of the bump. Lighter springs had the opposite effect. More finger pressure to activate but same pressure required to overcome the bump, means you feel less of the bump is my guess.
That explains why I can't feel the bump anymore on my brown switches I swapped out with 100g springs.
Post by: Kazekumiho on Mon, 02 November 2015, 20:53:33
Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
The bump from the 65g feels longer than 67g for some reason. It was noted in the reviews. I think it's just the slightly stiffer spring that causes the shorter bump on 67gs.
Hey Zeal! I'm about to buy a bunch of switches for a WKL board, but I'm not sure if I should get 65g or 67g switches. Apparently those 2g make a huge difference, because people keep talking about how the bump is longer on the 65g switches, etc. I'm having so much trouble deciding that I think I'll just get hybrid - 67g alphas with 65g modifiers. I'm going for what's most like ergo-clears, and from what I've heard, 67g switches are most like those. That said, I still want to try 65g's and I think having lighter modifiers is more ergonomic/less strain-ful? In your opinion, is there much of a difference and is this a good idea or should I choose one type? Thank's so much! (I honestly don't think I would be able to tell the difference between the switches and I guess worst case, I can change out springs...)
Post by: Rayoui on Mon, 02 November 2015, 20:58:02
Please provide some pictures if possible. I'll be collecting pictures to submit to Gateron. I'd also like to see how deformed the bottom housings were.
Left is a new, unused Zealio. Right is one I desoldered exhibiting the "melty" housing around the pins.
I tested some unused switches with a multimeter and none of them seem to have the chattering issue. I think the housing is shifting just slightly enough around the pins to allow the leaf to shift so that the contacts are sitting too close together.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5800/22718147712_ccf76948f0_o.jpg)
Post by: romevi on Mon, 02 November 2015, 21:00:11
I'd get 65g Zealios and, if you want to change them later, 67g springs. I much prefer the 65g as I feel the bump more.Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
The bump from the 65g feels longer than 67g for some reason. It was noted in the reviews. I think it's just the slightly stiffer spring that causes the shorter bump on 67gs.
Hey Zeal! I'm about to buy a bunch of switches for a WKL board, but I'm not sure if I should get 65g or 67g switches. Apparently those 2g make a huge difference, because people keep talking about how the bump is longer on the 65g switches, etc. I'm having so much trouble deciding that I think I'll just get hybrid - 67g alphas with 65g modifiers. I'm going for what's most like ergo-clears, and from what I've heard, 67g switches are most like those. That said, I still want to try 65g's and I think having lighter modifiers is more ergonomic/less strain-ful? In your opinion, is there much of a difference and is this a good idea or should I choose one type? Thank's so much! (I honestly don't think I would be able to tell the difference between the switches and I guess worst case, I can change out springs...)
Post by: Kazekumiho on Mon, 02 November 2015, 21:12:14
I'd get 65g Zealios and, if you want to change them later, 67g springs. I much prefer the 65g as I feel the bump more.Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
The bump from the 65g feels longer than 67g for some reason. It was noted in the reviews. I think it's just the slightly stiffer spring that causes the shorter bump on 67gs.
Hey Zeal! I'm about to buy a bunch of switches for a WKL board, but I'm not sure if I should get 65g or 67g switches. Apparently those 2g make a huge difference, because people keep talking about how the bump is longer on the 65g switches, etc. I'm having so much trouble deciding that I think I'll just get hybrid - 67g alphas with 65g modifiers. I'm going for what's most like ergo-clears, and from what I've heard, 67g switches are most like those. That said, I still want to try 65g's and I think having lighter modifiers is more ergonomic/less strain-ful? In your opinion, is there much of a difference and is this a good idea or should I choose one type? Thank's so much! (I honestly don't think I would be able to tell the difference between the switches and I guess worst case, I can change out springs...)
Hey, thanks for your response! I think I'll go hybrid for two reasons - A. I probably won't notice a difference and it will be ever so slightly easier on my pinkies - not that this is ever a problem because I use a BS keyboard. B. If I go hybrid and decide to change, it's less springs to change out. I wonder if my keyboard supports switch opening....
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 02 November 2015, 21:14:20
Please provide some pictures if possible. I'll be collecting pictures to submit to Gateron. I'd also like to see how deformed the bottom housings were.
Left is a new, unused Zealio. Right is one I desoldered exhibiting the "melty" housing around the pins.
I tested some unused switches with a multimeter and none of them seem to have the chattering issue. I think the housing is shifting just slightly enough around the pins to allow the leaf to shift so that the contacts are sitting too close together.Show Image(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5800/22718147712_ccf76948f0_o.jpg)
What temp you using to solder and de-solder the switches? I'm curious as to how easy the casing melts.
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 02 November 2015, 23:05:53
(http://i.imgur.com/85ImVyQ.jpg)
Post by: Ngt on Tue, 03 November 2015, 02:31:53
Post by: gadzkun on Tue, 03 November 2015, 02:41:40
i want to ask is there a plan for this round 2 GB? hhe..
Post by: UTEster750 on Tue, 03 November 2015, 03:16:11
aw, im new at GH and im just now realize this awesome switch...
i want to ask is there a plan for this round 2 GB? hhe..
Pretty sure Zeal is taking feedback, improving the switches and then possibly having a round two with improved switches.
That's the impression I got from previous comments from him, feel free to correct me :)
Post by: icyskyz on Tue, 03 November 2015, 03:33:08
aw, im new at GH and im just now realize this awesome switch...There are plenty of 65g and 67g switches in stock as far as I know. Unless 62g are the only ones you want.
i want to ask is there a plan for this round 2 GB? hhe..
Post by: gadzkun on Tue, 03 November 2015, 03:41:05
Pretty sure Zeal is taking feedback, improving the switches and then possibly having a round two with improved switches.
That's the impression I got from previous comments from him, feel free to correct me :)
wow this is a great..
improved an improved switch. how much it will improved :cool:
i hope for clicky switch next round :p
Post by: zhihuichan on Tue, 03 November 2015, 03:43:35
Post by: UTEster750 on Tue, 03 November 2015, 04:17:07
Pretty sure Zeal is taking feedback, improving the switches and then possibly having a round two with improved switches.
That's the impression I got from previous comments from him, feel free to correct me :)
wow this is a great..
improved an improved switch. how much it will improved :cool:
i hope for clicky switch next round :p
Might have to talk to Zeal nicely for that one ;)
Post by: gadzkun on Tue, 03 November 2015, 04:26:54
Pretty sure Zeal is taking feedback, improving the switches and then possibly having a round two with improved switches.
That's the impression I got from previous comments from him, feel free to correct me :)
wow this is a great..
improved an improved switch. how much it will improved :cool:
i hope for clicky switch next round :p
Might have to talk to Zeal nicely for that one ;)
hahaha zeal will probably see it. my dreammmmssss xD
but im sure i will get a purple ones when my wallet ready.
this november too much good stuff my wallet already hacked too much xD
Post by: UTEster750 on Tue, 03 November 2015, 04:28:39
Pretty sure Zeal is taking feedback, improving the switches and then possibly having a round two with improved switches.
That's the impression I got from previous comments from him, feel free to correct me :)
wow this is a great..
improved an improved switch. how much it will improved :cool:
i hope for clicky switch next round :p
Might have to talk to Zeal nicely for that one ;)
hahaha zeal will probably see it. my dreammmmssss xD
but im sure i will get a purple ones when my wallet ready.
this november too much good stuff my wallet already hacked too much xD
I have schoolies at the end of the month so I need to stop spending money :-X
Post by: braidn on Tue, 03 November 2015, 07:01:19
Post by: Malicium on Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:57:23
Post by: ideus on Tue, 03 November 2015, 09:05:43
Now I need to buy a new iron, I don't want to mess up my zealios switch with my first price iron :-[
I would replace the bottoms with translucent ones before soldering, instead.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 03 November 2015, 09:07:35
The clear housing was a huge selling point of the switches.Now I need to buy a new iron, I don't want to mess up my zealios switch with my first price iron :-[
I would replace the bottoms with translucent ones before soldering, instead.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 03 November 2015, 09:09:24
The clear housing was a huge selling point of the switches.Now I need to buy a new iron, I don't want to mess up my zealios switch with my first price iron :-[
I would replace the bottoms with translucent ones before soldering, instead.
But it appears to require some re-thinking in the plastics blend to be functional, even if the look suffers a little.
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:01:47
Post by: ika on Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:05:41
The clear housing was a huge selling point of the switches.Now I need to buy a new iron, I don't want to mess up my zealios switch with my first price iron :-[
I would replace the bottoms with translucent ones before soldering, instead.
But it appears to require some re-thinking in the plastics blend to be functional, even if the look suffers a little.
I had a 1% failure rate in my switches. Plently of others have had none. It's a function of soldering skill as well.
Post by: nickheller on Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:07:23
Post by: ideus on Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:07:37
The clear housing was a huge selling point of the switches.Now I need to buy a new iron, I don't want to mess up my zealios switch with my first price iron :-[
I would replace the bottoms with translucent ones before soldering, instead.
But it appears to require some re-thinking in the plastics blend to be functional, even if the look suffers a little.
I had a 1% failure rate in my switches. Plently of others have had none. It's a function of soldering skill as well.
Soldering procedure helps; however, it does not happen with Cherry or other Gateron, at all.
Post by: RoastPotatoes on Tue, 03 November 2015, 11:53:57
Post by: cjhard on Tue, 03 November 2015, 12:29:50
Post by: chromatically on Tue, 03 November 2015, 12:33:55
Looking like I'm going to drop my Hakko down to 550f or so?
Using kester 60/40 .8mm
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 03 November 2015, 12:40:36
Waiting on zealios 67g and they're going on an infinity ergodox.
Looking like I'm going to drop my Hakko down to 550f or so?
Using kester 60/40 .8mm
I used 650F on my 951sxe with a medium fat (around 4mm) chisel tip. Kester 44 63/37 0.021"/0.53mm solder. Did not have any issues with my Viper. You need to find the sweet spot where your iron is hot enough to melt the solder effectively, but not on the pins/traces for too long enough to spread the heat too far. Too low of a temp and you're heating pads/pins for too long, too hot and the pad isn't fully heated.
Post by: GhostofHarry on Tue, 03 November 2015, 12:53:59
THIS IS ONE REVOLUTIONARY PRODUCT
gold plated spring, clear case, smoother switch stem, is this dream?
finally have free time to browse around GH and im immediately attracted to this thread!
GJ Zeal!
I am more interested about the part of the 4 pin RGB LED option for the switch.
As I recently planned to build a board for one of my friend, and I am kind of out of touch...
Are the any current PCBs which are capable to handle these LED?
I'm definitely gonna use them for my projects!
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:03:41
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
THIS IS ONE REVOLUTIONARY PRODUCT
gold plated spring, clear case, smoother switch stem, is this dream?
finally have free time to browse around GH and im immediately attracted to this thread!
GJ Zeal!
I am more interested about the part of the 4 pin RGB LED option for the switch.
As I recently planned to build a board for one of my friend, and I am kind of out of touch...
Are the any current PCBs which are capable to handle these LED?
I'm definitely gonna use them as highest level parts for my projects!
Only Kailh/Razer (and a few domestic mainland China) keyboards support the 4pin RGB LEDs. Aftermarket DIY PCBs that support 4 pin RGB LEDs are still being developed.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:06:10
(http://i.imgur.com/48F83a8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LEmZ8vL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zRoUQhQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oCUb1Xd.jpg)
Typing video @~100wpm (lower sound until no white noise -- that's how it sounds irl, super quiet:
Sound only (more accurate, camera in front of spacebar)
Post by: chromatically on Tue, 03 November 2015, 14:04:21
BTW, here's a crosspost of my Viper built with 65g lubed Zealios.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/48F83a8.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LEmZ8vL.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zRoUQhQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oCUb1Xd.jpg)
Typing video @~100wpm (lower sound until no white noise -- that's how it sounds irl, super quiet:
Sound only (more accurate, camera in front of spacebar)
holy &%AWD%&^%@#$(@$
beautiful.
Waiting on zealios 67g and they're going on an infinity ergodox.
Looking like I'm going to drop my Hakko down to 550f or so?
Using kester 60/40 .8mm
I used 650F on my 951sxe with a medium fat (around 4mm) chisel tip. Kester 44 63/37 0.021"/0.53mm solder. Did not have any issues with my Viper. You need to find the sweet spot where your iron is hot enough to melt the solder effectively, but not on the pins/traces for too long enough to spread the heat too far. Too low of a temp and you're heating pads/pins for too long, too hot and the pad isn't fully heated.
cool, thanks for the tip. I'm experienced with an iron but want to make sure I don't melt any of the housings heh... I'd be very sad :P I did get 90 just in case I screw up so I'll have extras.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 03 November 2015, 14:29:06
Post by: skaloola on Tue, 03 November 2015, 14:37:13
preinstalled SIP sockets as an option would be spectacular.
also, is every recommended part of the switch lubed or just the springs? specifically the slider or bottom of switch housing?
I've got some stickered ergoclears that feel much smoother on bottom out.
anyone try stickering these to see if it helps with the switch wobble?
Post by: cjhard on Tue, 03 November 2015, 20:27:30
Suggestion for round 2, don't know if it's feasible, but ..
preinstalled SIP sockets as an option would be spectacular.
also, is every recommended part of the switch lubed or just the springs? specifically the slider or bottom of switch housing?
I've got some stickered ergoclears that feel much smoother on bottom out.
anyone try stickering these to see if it helps with the switch wobble?
I would suggest arranging for a proxy to do switch customizations instead if you're into that.
Some people bought lube with their switches for a reason.
Stickers won't really help with the switch wobble, it's not a problem with the housing moving around, it's all in the size of slider vs the hole it's encased in. I think this was done to prevent catching, but Zeal can correct me if I'm spreading lies. If you want to decrease wobble, you'd use something to fill that space such as copper tape, as has been suggested in this thread.
Post by: filphil on Tue, 03 November 2015, 20:40:24
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
Post by: slushi on Tue, 03 November 2015, 20:45:02
Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
Sorry if this was already mentioned, but which version of the purple zealios did you use?
Post by: filphil on Tue, 03 November 2015, 20:47:05
Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
Sorry if this was already mentioned, but which version of the purple zealios did you use?
Straight 62g zealios
Post by: ideus on Tue, 03 November 2015, 21:00:56
Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
You got a lower percentage of chattering units than others, did you have some special care while soldering?
Post by: filphil on Tue, 03 November 2015, 21:14:29
Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
You got a lower percentage of chattering units than others, did you have some special care while soldering?
Yep. I kept up with the thread and was hoping that by keeping the time my soldering iron made contact with the pin and joint to an absolute minimum it would cut down on the chances of any "melting". The switches that did have issues had some deformation at the base where the pins protrude. Obviously with the switches that didn't have any issues I can't say because those weren't pulled.
Post by: wilarseny on Tue, 03 November 2015, 21:29:13
No special care taken on the soldering, mostly out of inexperience - I learned to solder literally this morning so I don't think it was probably especially well done. I also had to desolder about 6 switches because of my messups, and none of those switches ended up having issues either. I used a Weller WTS100 at max heat. Probably just got lucky with an especially problem-free batch!
My first impressions on the 67g tactile switches is generally very positive. I didn't like their feel with SA caps, but swapping over to a GMK set made the clickiness come alive. Very nice bounce to the keys - feels really crisp and enjoyable to type on. Like em even more than the ergo-clears on my GON, and that's saying something.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 03 November 2015, 21:35:32
I also finished soldering my switches tonight. Had only 1 switch that just didn't work, but it wasn't the activation above bump issue or the chattering issue that folks have been talking about. It just didn't register anything at all.
No special care taken on the soldering, mostly out of inexperience - I learned to solder literally this morning so I don't think it was probably especially well done. I also had to desolder about 6 switches because of my messups, and none of those switches ended up having issues either. I used a Weller WTS100 at max heat. Probably just got lucky with an especially problem-free batch!
This is very interesting, that makes the melting theory a little bit weaker.
My first impressions on the 67g tactile switches is generally very positive. I didn't like their feel with SA caps, but swapping over to a GMK set made the clickiness come alive. Very nice bounce to the keys - feels really crisp and enjoyable to type on. Like em even more than the ergo-clears on my GON, and that's saying something.
Could this may be related with the weight of the caps?
Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
You got a lower percentage of chattering units than others, did you have some special care while soldering?
Yep. I kept up with the thread and was hoping that by keeping the time my soldering iron made contact with the pin and joint to an absolute minimum it would cut down on the chances of any "melting". The switches that did have issues had some deformation at the base where the pins protrude. Obviously with the switches that didn't have any issues I can't say because those weren't pulled.
Do you have pictures of the deformations you reported? Could those be seen at simple sight?
Post by: Uhmkevinkev on Tue, 03 November 2015, 21:45:18
Contemplating a gaming build with some liners next month. Anyone have some opinions of the Zealio liners over clear Gaterons with spring mods?
I am using 6 Zealio linear in my fight stick and i love it compared to the reds.
Post by: lishi on Tue, 03 November 2015, 22:46:40
Post by: filphil on Tue, 03 November 2015, 22:47:46
I also finished soldering my switches tonight. Had only 1 switch that just didn't work, but it wasn't the activation above bump issue or the chattering issue that folks have been talking about. It just didn't register anything at all.
No special care taken on the soldering, mostly out of inexperience - I learned to solder literally this morning so I don't think it was probably especially well done. I also had to desolder about 6 switches because of my messups, and none of those switches ended up having issues either. I used a Weller WTS100 at max heat. Probably just got lucky with an especially problem-free batch!
This is very interesting, that makes the melting theory a little bit weaker.
My first impressions on the 67g tactile switches is generally very positive. I didn't like their feel with SA caps, but swapping over to a GMK set made the clickiness come alive. Very nice bounce to the keys - feels really crisp and enjoyable to type on. Like em even more than the ergo-clears on my GON, and that's saying something.
Could this may be related with the weight of the caps?Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
You got a lower percentage of chattering units than others, did you have some special care while soldering?
Yep. I kept up with the thread and was hoping that by keeping the time my soldering iron made contact with the pin and joint to an absolute minimum it would cut down on the chances of any "melting". The switches that did have issues had some deformation at the base where the pins protrude. Obviously with the switches that didn't have any issues I can't say because those weren't pulled.
Do you have pictures of the deformations you reported? Could those be seen at simple sight?
You can see the deformation very easily. I'll have pictures when I get back home.
Post by: wilarseny on Wed, 04 November 2015, 02:30:51
I also finished soldering my switches tonight. Had only 1 switch that just didn't work, but it wasn't the activation above bump issue or the chattering issue that folks have been talking about. It just didn't register anything at all.
No special care taken on the soldering, mostly out of inexperience - I learned to solder literally this morning so I don't think it was probably especially well done. I also had to desolder about 6 switches because of my messups, and none of those switches ended up having issues either. I used a Weller WTS100 at max heat. Probably just got lucky with an especially problem-free batch!
This is very interesting, that makes the melting theory a little bit weaker.
My first impressions on the 67g tactile switches is generally very positive. I didn't like their feel with SA caps, but swapping over to a GMK set made the clickiness come alive. Very nice bounce to the keys - feels really crisp and enjoyable to type on. Like em even more than the ergo-clears on my GON, and that's saying something.
Could this may be related with the weight of the caps?
Re: the heat thing: sounds right. I mean, I don't know if my iron was that hot, even at max heat - it's one of the lower-end Weller and the less-than-max settings were barely melting the solder (standard 60/40 rosin). I dunno, maybe the solder job is better than I think, but I doubt it. It does seem weird to me that something like heat transfer / melting point of the switch case bottom would be inconsistent set-to-set - since it's a property of the material seems like that wouldn't change much. But I'm far from an expert on the materials side of things.
Re: the feel of SA: I think it's partly the key weight and partly the fact that these seem to have just a bit more side-to-side travel than standard Cherry MX. I haven't had Gateron before so not sure how they compare. But I felt like keys were traveling in not-purely-up-and-down directions a bit more often than I'm used to, and that's a lot more noticeable / unpleasant with the taller SA keys.
I will say that after slightly more extended use tonight, I'm really starting to love the clear housing, especially w/ having these on a WKL board with RGB bottom LEDs. It's a nice subtle glow around the key bottoms that almost completely eliminates the urge for in-switch LEDs for me, at least in this build. I do hope we eventually see some custom PCBs allowing for in-switch RGB to take advantage of that neat future-proofing of the Zealios.
Post by: UTEster750 on Wed, 04 November 2015, 03:26:13
I also finished soldering my switches tonight. Had only 1 switch that just didn't work, but it wasn't the activation above bump issue or the chattering issue that folks have been talking about. It just didn't register anything at all.
No special care taken on the soldering, mostly out of inexperience - I learned to solder literally this morning so I don't think it was probably especially well done. I also had to desolder about 6 switches because of my messups, and none of those switches ended up having issues either. I used a Weller WTS100 at max heat. Probably just got lucky with an especially problem-free batch!
This is very interesting, that makes the melting theory a little bit weaker.
My first impressions on the 67g tactile switches is generally very positive. I didn't like their feel with SA caps, but swapping over to a GMK set made the clickiness come alive. Very nice bounce to the keys - feels really crisp and enjoyable to type on. Like em even more than the ergo-clears on my GON, and that's saying something.
Could this may be related with the weight of the caps?
Re: the heat thing: sounds right. I mean, I don't know if my iron was that hot, even at max heat - it's one of the lower-end Weller and the less-than-max settings were barely melting the solder (standard 60/40 rosin). I dunno, maybe the solder job is better than I think, but I doubt it. It does seem weird to me that something like heat transfer / melting point of the switch case bottom would be inconsistent set-to-set - since it's a property of the material seems like that wouldn't change much. But I'm far from an expert on the materials side of things.
Re: the feel of SA: I think it's partly the key weight and partly the fact that these seem to have just a bit more side-to-side travel than standard Cherry MX. I haven't had Gateron before so not sure how they compare. But I felt like keys were traveling in not-purely-up-and-down directions a bit more often than I'm used to, and that's a lot more noticeable / unpleasant with the taller SA keys.
I will say that after slightly more extended use tonight, I'm really starting to love the clear housing, especially w/ having these on a WKL board with RGB bottom LEDs. It's a nice subtle glow around the key bottoms that almost completely eliminates the urge for in-switch LEDs for me, at least in this build. I do hope we eventually see some custom PCBs allowing for in-switch RGB to take advantage of that neat future-proofing of the Zealios.
I really do hope that when I get my SA keycaps that my 67g switches feel ok :-X
I also need to order a pcb for my ergodox already so I can test these switches :thumb:
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 04 November 2015, 05:17:26
I really do hope that when I get my SA keycaps that my 67g switches feel ok :-XIt sounds like the issue is the side-to-side travel, I'd try out Oobly's copper tape mod if I were you.
Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 04 November 2015, 14:55:01
Post by: UTEster750 on Wed, 04 November 2015, 16:20:29
I really do hope that when I get my SA keycaps that my 67g switches feel ok :-XIt sounds like the issue is the side-to-side travel, I'd try out Oobly's copper tape mod if I were you.
This will be my first mech, so I doubt I'll even notice a problem, but I'll try that if I do have a problem :thumb:
Post by: derpingit on Wed, 04 November 2015, 16:29:39
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 04 November 2015, 16:35:23
Btw just finished my doing my Leopold fc900 with 65g lubed zealios with latex & trampoline mod, it is silent as ****. Maybe the quietest mech in the galaxy? (it also has noise dampening foam on the inside).
65g seems perfect for a work board, I'm going to put 62g into my starcraft ii board (octagon) and I'm pretty sure 67g is too heavy for me.
Post by: VentureG on Wed, 04 November 2015, 17:04:46
Any whoozle, to echo Zeal's sound test these switches are super quiet. Even though I type way harder than Zeal (from what I can tell, in the video), I got similar results in my sound test:
Fantastic.
Post by: strict on Wed, 04 November 2015, 22:53:13
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.
(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 04 November 2015, 23:00:19
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-light bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
Thank you very much for the suggestion for fixing the chattering issue bro. Do you have a success rate for the mod?
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 04 November 2015, 23:02:02
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-light bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
Thank you very much for the suggestion for fixing the chattering issue bro. Do you have a success rate for the mod?
I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing.
I'd say 100%
Post by: strict on Wed, 04 November 2015, 23:02:33
Thank you very much for the suggestion for fixing the chattering issue bro. Do you have a success rate for the mod?
100% of my chattering switches are now working as expected. 10 of the 12 worked perfect after the first tweak, and the remaining two only took one more light nudge and they started behaving properly as well.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 04 November 2015, 23:03:19
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-light bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
Thank you very much for the suggestion for fixing the chattering issue bro. Do you have a success rate for the mod?I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing.
I'd say 100%
Awesome, cannot appreciate enough your diligence in finding a solution for this issue.
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 05 November 2015, 01:05:54
I love open source hardware!
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 05 November 2015, 01:50:03
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-light bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
Very good work!
This leads me to believe a possible way to prevent this issue is to solder them "from the inside". What I mean is that you press the soldering iron to the inside edge of the pin (the side towards the bottom of the switch) when soldering it instead of the outside (side towards the top) for that pin.
Post by: 3K on Thu, 05 November 2015, 05:40:44
More
(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 05 November 2015, 07:33:56
I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
Stabs?
Post by: 3K on Thu, 05 November 2015, 08:05:06
I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
Stabs?
Yep :(
Post by: ideus on Thu, 05 November 2015, 08:06:05
I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
Stabs?
Yep :(
What PCB is that?
Post by: 3K on Thu, 05 November 2015, 08:13:32
I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
Stabs?
Yep :(
What PCB is that?
A SPRiT PCB that I got in Leandrens groupbuy some weeks ago. Pretty good quality I think!
Post by: cjhard on Thu, 05 November 2015, 08:27:33
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 05 November 2015, 08:38:06
Since you haven't put the switches in yet, you can still work most of them in there if you're careful. That Spacebar is going to get weird since it doesn't have the slot for the wire like a non-universal plate would have for plate-mount stabs. You could try sliding the wire into the stabs after they're attached, but since the FaceW has the Spacebar wire towards the Alphas, it may not be a piece of cake...I can confirm that getting the space bar stab in there after the plate is on is a complete pain in the butt. My stab wire kept coming out of the stabs when I took the space bar out, and I've had to get it back in there 5 or 6 times. It takes more pressure than I really want to put on that stuff, but my switches were already soldered after I thought I had fixed the problem or I would have pulled the pcb off again (already did that twice...)
To that end, there were some stab inserts that screw into the pcb, which I'm going to use with Mira and the gold bars. Hopefully that will completely eliminate the issue. (zealios are going into that board too!!!)
Edit: that's the same plate I used! So yeah... For pressing the space bar stab in, I used the ifixit pro toolkit's wide tipped straight tweezers, but the two sides had come apart, so it's basically a very very thin flathead screwdriver.
Post by: E3E on Thu, 05 November 2015, 08:53:58
Since you haven't put the switches in yet, you can still work most of them in there if you're careful. That Spacebar is going to get weird since it doesn't have the slot for the wire like a non-universal plate would have for plate-mount stabs. You could try sliding the wire into the stabs after they're attached, but since the FaceW has the Spacebar wire towards the Alphas, it may not be a piece of cake...I can confirm that getting the space bar stab in there after the plate is on is a complete pain in the butt. My stab wire kept coming out of the stabs when I took the space bar out, and I've had to get it back in there 5 or 6 times. It takes more pressure than I really want to put on that stuff, but my switches were already soldered after I thought I had fixed the problem or I would have pulled the pcb off again (already did that twice...)
To that end, there were some stab inserts that screw into the pcb, which I'm going to use with Mira and the gold bars. Hopefully that will completely eliminate the issue. (zealios are going into that board too!!!)
Edit: that's the same plate I used! So yeah... For pressing the space bar stab in, I used the ifixit pro toolkit's wide tipped straight tweezers, but the two sides had come apart, so it's basically a very very thin flathead screwdriver.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, but screw-in stabs won't help. :( I use them on my Octagon and Lightpad and Gateron blanks and cherry OG, both incredibly tight-fitting on the stabs, can indeed still force the stab dummies out of their positions and cause the wire to pop out. I feel your pain though, as I had to go through it a few times, even desoldering a switch or two to get it back in there (with SIP sockets that were recessed into the PCB holes! GOD IS IT TERRIBLE TO DESOLDER THOSE UNLESS YOU HAVE CHIPQUIK, even with a vacuum-powered desoldering gun).
I'd recommend using wax carving tools (they look like dental picks) to shimmy the wires back into the stab clips. It's how I've done it. The issue is not so much with how the stabs are mounted (PCB/Plate/PCB screw-in) to the board but with how the mx mount dummies can pop out of position. It sucks, but yeah.
Post by: techmattr on Thu, 05 November 2015, 11:48:59
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-light bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
I had 28 chattering switches and was able to fix all 28 with this method. I'm curious to see if it lasts. I would guess over a bit of time it would return to original position. We'll have to wait and see.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 05 November 2015, 12:20:44
Dang. Well, maybe I just won't swap my space bar once I put it on (I got a titanium one, so I doubt that it will get switched out frequently, because it's pretty cool.)Since you haven't put the switches in yet, you can still work most of them in there if you're careful. That Spacebar is going to get weird since it doesn't have the slot for the wire like a non-universal plate would have for plate-mount stabs. You could try sliding the wire into the stabs after they're attached, but since the FaceW has the Spacebar wire towards the Alphas, it may not be a piece of cake...I can confirm that getting the space bar stab in there after the plate is on is a complete pain in the butt. My stab wire kept coming out of the stabs when I took the space bar out, and I've had to get it back in there 5 or 6 times. It takes more pressure than I really want to put on that stuff, but my switches were already soldered after I thought I had fixed the problem or I would have pulled the pcb off again (already did that twice...)
To that end, there were some stab inserts that screw into the pcb, which I'm going to use with Mira and the gold bars. Hopefully that will completely eliminate the issue. (zealios are going into that board too!!!)
Edit: that's the same plate I used! So yeah... For pressing the space bar stab in, I used the ifixit pro toolkit's wide tipped straight tweezers, but the two sides had come apart, so it's basically a very very thin flathead screwdriver.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, but screw-in stabs won't help. :( I use them on my Octagon and Lightpad and Gateron blanks and cherry OG, both incredibly tight-fitting on the stabs, can indeed still force the stab dummies out of their positions and cause the wire to pop out. I feel your pain though, as I had to go through it a few times, even desoldering a switch or two to get it back in there (with SIP sockets that were recessed into the PCB holes! GOD IS IT TERRIBLE TO DESOLDER THOSE UNLESS YOU HAVE CHIPQUIK, even with a vacuum-powered desoldering gun).
I'd recommend using wax carving tools (they look like dental picks) to shimmy the wires back into the stab clips. It's how I've done it. The issue is not so much with how the stabs are mounted (PCB/Plate/PCB screw-in) to the board but with how the mx mount dummies can pop out of position. It sucks, but yeah.
Post by: W_hinklebottom on Thu, 05 November 2015, 17:28:28
(http://i.imgur.com/xYZr9zR.jpg)
Post by: AdmiralSquid on Thu, 05 November 2015, 17:56:39
That is a really cool board, what PCB/Plate are you using?
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 05 November 2015, 17:58:53
@W_hinklebottom.I'm pretty sure the plate is one of the ones that leandre had on his shop.
That is a really cool board, what PCB/Plate are you using?
Post by: W_hinklebottom on Thu, 05 November 2015, 19:50:01
@W_hinklebottom.
That is a really cool board, what PCB/Plate are you using?
I got the Plate and the PCB from Leandre's last group buy (he is doing an IC for another one now) It is a universal 60% plate designed by JDcarpe and the pcb is a Sprit Face w. The next group buy is going with winkeyless b. pcb which supports RGB LED underlighting. The switches are of course Zealios 67g tactile, best group buy I decided to pull the trigger on.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 06 November 2015, 06:34:31
Re: Soldering temp concerns with the switches
There is definitely something going on with the soldering process, and I believe it has to be heat. I tested all my switches with a multimeter before assembling and they were fine. After assembly, four switches chattered. I desoldered them and installed new switches, just barely "kissing" them with heat and solder, and it worked fine. This is not ideal from a soldering-quality perspective, which kinda bums me out, but it's what I had to do to make the board work. :-/
Just sharing my story to add to the list of feedback. :thumb:
@Zeal, I personally don't care at all about the fact these switches are clear (I'm in it for the lack of annoying mods needed). Do you have any thoughts on offering a more "true" Cherry approximation that uses the original materials? I really like the way the switches feel, I just don't like how narrow the processing window is for soldering.
I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
If this plate accepts plate-mount stabs and you haven't already desoldered, and you really don't want to desolder, I'd be happy to send you some plate-mount stabs.
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 06 November 2015, 07:13:41
Just assembled another board with Zealios last night.
Re: Soldering temp concerns with the switches
There is definitely something going on with the soldering process, and I believe it has to be heat. I tested all my switches with a multimeter before assembling and they were fine. After assembly, four switches chattered. I desoldered them and installed new switches, just barely "kissing" them with heat and solder, and it worked fine. This is not ideal from a soldering-quality perspective, which kinda bums me out, but it's what I had to do to make the board work. :-/
Just sharing my story to add to the list of feedback. :thumb:
@Zeal, I personally don't care at all about the fact these switches are clear (I'm in it for the lack of annoying mods needed). Do you have any thoughts on offering a more "true" Cherry approximation that uses the original materials? I really like the way the switches feel, I just don't like how narrow the processing window is for soldering.I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
If this plate accepts plate-mount stabs and you haven't already desoldered, and you really don't want to desolder, I'd be happy to send you some plate-mount stabs.
... a possible way to prevent this issue is to solder them "from the inside". What I mean is that you press the soldering iron to the inside edge of the pin (the side towards the bottom of the switch) when soldering it instead of the outside (side towards the top) for that pin.
Worth a try? Could even try to "fix" a chattering switch by reflowing with a bit of pressure and holding it long enough to soften the plastic.
I'd suggest using Cherry switch bottoms, but they will add a little just a little scratchiness to the slider movement. Prevents the slightly rough bottom out and the melting issue, though.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 06 November 2015, 07:25:08
Just assembled another board with Zealios last night.
Re: Soldering temp concerns with the switches
There is definitely something going on with the soldering process, and I believe it has to be heat. I tested all my switches with a multimeter before assembling and they were fine. After assembly, four switches chattered. I desoldered them and installed new switches, just barely "kissing" them with heat and solder, and it worked fine. This is not ideal from a soldering-quality perspective, which kinda bums me out, but it's what I had to do to make the board work. :-/
Just sharing my story to add to the list of feedback. :thumb:
@Zeal, I personally don't care at all about the fact these switches are clear (I'm in it for the lack of annoying mods needed). Do you have any thoughts on offering a more "true" Cherry approximation that uses the original materials? I really like the way the switches feel, I just don't like how narrow the processing window is for soldering.I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
If this plate accepts plate-mount stabs and you haven't already desoldered, and you really don't want to desolder, I'd be happy to send you some plate-mount stabs.... a possible way to prevent this issue is to solder them "from the inside". What I mean is that you press the soldering iron to the inside edge of the pin (the side towards the bottom of the switch) when soldering it instead of the outside (side towards the top) for that pin.
Worth a try? Could even try to "fix" a chattering switch by reflowing with a bit of pressure and holding it long enough to soften the plastic.
I'd suggest using Cherry switch bottoms, but they will add a little just a little scratchiness to the slider movement. Prevents the slightly rough bottom out and the melting issue, though.
Oh wow, I missed that post of yours. Thanks for re-quoting! I think the logic is sound, and I'll give it a try with the next board. :thumb:
Post by: ideus on Fri, 06 November 2015, 07:38:04
I could do that when I got my switches, but, I am not sure how long that may take.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 06 November 2015, 07:46:41
Would someone try to find the relation between strict's fix and the melting theory? Someone has tested the switches before soldering and found some casualties after it, that still point to some issues with the melting point of the switch's bottom.
I could do that when I got my switches, but, I am not sure how long that may take.
My theory is that putting a little lateral pressure on the switch contact while heating the solder/pin (and subsequently melting the bottom of the switch a bit with the solder that flows down into the hole) causes the leaf inside to shift a bit towards the top (away from the center of the switch). Strict's fix pushes the leaf just that little bit back toward the center.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 06 November 2015, 07:49:40
Would someone try to find the relation between strict's fix and the melting theory? Someone has tested the switches before soldering and found some casualties after it, that still point to some issues with the melting point of the switch's bottom.
I could do that when I got my switches, but, I am not sure how long that may take.
My theory is that putting a little lateral pressure on the switch contact while heating the solder/pin (and subsequently melting the bottom of the switch a bit with the solder that flows down into the hole) causes the leaf inside to shift a bit towards the top (away from the center of the switch). Strict's fix pushes the leaf just that little bit back toward the center.
That makes sense, it seems then that strict's fix compensates the effect of the melting bottom on the leaf contacts alignment.
Post by: filphil on Fri, 06 November 2015, 11:13:35
Just assembled another board with Zealios last night.
Re: Soldering temp concerns with the switches
There is definitely something going on with the soldering process, and I believe it has to be heat. I tested all my switches with a multimeter before assembling and they were fine. After assembly, four switches chattered. I desoldered them and installed new switches, just barely "kissing" them with heat and solder, and it worked fine. This is not ideal from a soldering-quality perspective, which kinda bums me out, but it's what I had to do to make the board work. :-/
Just sharing my story to add to the list of feedback. :thumb:
Speaking of bad technique I did something a little bit different but my goal was the same as yours. I tinned my tip with excess solder hoping that the heat stored in the solder would transfer quickly once contact was made with the joint and adding a little bit of solder to essentially flood it. The joint looked similar to the others but who knows on the other side of the pcb? It's been used for the past two or three days now with no issues.
Post by: cjhard on Fri, 06 November 2015, 11:49:04
Just assembled another board with Zealios last night.
Re: Soldering temp concerns with the switches
There is definitely something going on with the soldering process, and I believe it has to be heat. I tested all my switches with a multimeter before assembling and they were fine. After assembly, four switches chattered. I desoldered them and installed new switches, just barely "kissing" them with heat and solder, and it worked fine. This is not ideal from a soldering-quality perspective, which kinda bums me out, but it's what I had to do to make the board work. :-/
Just sharing my story to add to the list of feedback. :thumb:
Speaking of bad technique I did something a little bit different but my goal was the same as yours. I tinned my tip with excess solder hoping that the heat stored in the solder would transfer quickly once contact was made with the joint and adding a little bit of solder to essentially flood it. The joint looked similar to the others but who knows on the other side of the pcb? It's been used for the past two or three days now with no issues.
You could probably make that easier by throwing some flux down in there before tip touching. I've seen this technique used for SMD soldering alongside tacky flux goop.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Fri, 06 November 2015, 12:05:18
Maybe that's why I didn't have any issues. I was using flux goop.Just assembled another board with Zealios last night.
Re: Soldering temp concerns with the switches
There is definitely something going on with the soldering process, and I believe it has to be heat. I tested all my switches with a multimeter before assembling and they were fine. After assembly, four switches chattered. I desoldered them and installed new switches, just barely "kissing" them with heat and solder, and it worked fine. This is not ideal from a soldering-quality perspective, which kinda bums me out, but it's what I had to do to make the board work. :-/
Just sharing my story to add to the list of feedback. :thumb:
Speaking of bad technique I did something a little bit different but my goal was the same as yours. I tinned my tip with excess solder hoping that the heat stored in the solder would transfer quickly once contact was made with the joint and adding a little bit of solder to essentially flood it. The joint looked similar to the others but who knows on the other side of the pcb? It's been used for the past two or three days now with no issues.
You could probably make that easier by throwing some flux down in there before tip touching. I've seen this technique used for SMD soldering alongside tacky flux goop.
Post by: jiexi on Sun, 08 November 2015, 11:35:45
Whoo Hoo! These things look almost too good to put caps on! Thanks ZealNow we need purple stabilizersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xYZr9zR.jpg)
Post by: Skuloth on Sun, 08 November 2015, 12:03:43
Whoo Hoo! These things look almost too good to put caps on! Thanks ZealNow we need purple stabilizersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xYZr9zR.jpg)
yes please
Post by: njbair on Sun, 08 November 2015, 12:57:28
Matias switches are clear and I've never had problems but I'm not sure if it's the same kind of plastic.
Post by: strict on Sun, 08 November 2015, 13:55:05
Are people overdoing it with the solder? I can't imagine using enough heat to cause melting like this, although all my Zealios are still sitting in the bag. But I know my iron very well and always try to use as little heat as possible.
Matias switches are clear and I've never had problems but I'm not sure if it's the same kind of plastic.
I've been soldering since I was 12 including hundreds of Playstation and Xbox mod chips (DMS and Xecuter) very successfully. I've installed thousands of Cherry and Gaterons switches at this point and never had a bit of trouble with any of them until the Zealios. I soldered mine on a relatively low temp (575F) and didn't keep the iron on the legs for anything even approaching an exorbitant amount of time but still had 12 switches on my Phantom chattering.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 08 November 2015, 14:00:44
I think I was close to 700F, and that let me solder quickly, which may have had less heat bleed, and made it so none of mine melted.Are people overdoing it with the solder? I can't imagine using enough heat to cause melting like this, although all my Zealios are still sitting in the bag. But I know my iron very well and always try to use as little heat as possible.
Matias switches are clear and I've never had problems but I'm not sure if it's the same kind of plastic.
I've been soldering since I was 12 including hundreds of Playstation and Xbox mod chips (DMS and Xecuter) very successfully. I've installed thousands of Cherry and Gaterons switches at this point and never had a bit of trouble with any of them until the Zealios. I soldered mine on a relatively low temp (575F) and didn't keep the iron on the legs for anything even approaching an exorbitant amount of time but still had 12 switches on my Phantom chattering.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 08 November 2015, 14:01:10
OK well then it's clearly not a matter of skill. I'm glad mine are still in the bag so I can learn from others' experiences.Are people overdoing it with the solder? I can't imagine using enough heat to cause melting like this, although all my Zealios are still sitting in the bag. But I know my iron very well and always try to use as little heat as possible.
Matias switches are clear and I've never had problems but I'm not sure if it's the same kind of plastic.
I've been soldering since I was 12 including hundreds of Playstation and Xbox mod chips (DMS and Xecuter) very successfully. I've installed thousands of Cherry and Gaterons switches at this point and never had a bit of trouble with any of them until the Zealios. I soldered mine on a relatively low temp (575F) and didn't keep the iron on the legs for anything even approaching to an exorbitant amount of time but still had 12 switches on my Phantom chattering.
Post by: tofgerl on Sun, 08 November 2015, 14:28:28
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Sun, 08 November 2015, 20:57:10
I've been soldering since I was 12 including hundreds of Playstation and Xbox mod chips (DMS and Xecuter) very successfully. I've installed thousands of Cherry and Gaterons switches at this point and never had a bit of trouble with any of them until the Zealios. I soldered mine on a relatively low temp (575F) and didn't keep the iron on the legs for anything even approaching an exorbitant amount of time but still had 12 switches on my Phantom chattering.
Adding in my experience here for statistical purposes:
I just put 90-odd zealios in a quickfire TK over the weekend, and found no issues so far, though i didn't use the EK switch hitter which i will try when i get home.
I had to redo some switches because the first time i forgot to put in the cherry stabs before i soldered the switches in, and then i had to fix a broken trace (secondhand board) on the enter key with copper wire - so 3x solder, 2x desolder in total on that one switch.
I use a SEEED mini soldering iron set to 300C, which google tells me is just a hair off 575F. Haven't noticed any chattering at all so far, and this is my first time soldering since school. I did examine that one switch and found no deformation of the plastic housing.
What i did was similar to filphil in that i'd tin the iron a bit more than i needed to, and once i saw the pad get shiny (i don't know if that is the best way to describe it, but it there would be a sheen that originated from where my iron touched the pad that would run around the pad - i assumed this meant the pad was hot enough or that the solder was flowing to the pad), i added more solder to the pin. Spent no more than 5 seconds on each joint.
I think we need a few sacrificial zealios to test a few situations - iron against pin to see how long it takes to deform at different temps, and iron with pressure against the pin to see if the issue is independent of housing deformation.
Post by: apolotary on Mon, 09 November 2015, 04:11:42
It took me a while to realize what these switches were reminding me of though. I'm fairly certain that they are super-close in tactility to Matias Click switches, except they don't click (duh). I'm curious to try lighter versions, as I used to be a huge fan of Matias Quiet Click switches and as far as I remember those were slightly lighter in feel than their noisy counterparts.
Overall, huge props to Gateron and Zealio for putting this out! I'm fairly happy to finally have my favorite flavor of mechanical switches in Cherry MX format without having to worry about keychattering or a shoddy micro-usb connector :)
Made a crappy typing test and comparison video for anyone interested:
Post by: Tyr on Mon, 09 November 2015, 13:08:28
(http://i.imgur.com/1hy7AcW.jpg)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 09 November 2015, 14:32:16
Are people overdoing it with the solder? I can't imagine using enough heat to cause melting like this, although all my Zealios are still sitting in the bag. But I know my iron very well and always try to use as little heat as possible.
Matias switches are clear and I've never had problems but I'm not sure if it's the same kind of plastic.
I won't claim to never make mistakes (I wish :)) ), but I've been soldering for well over 10 years and never had this issue. I've worked to get my soldering technique up to par and try to avoid cold joints, so I apply a bit of heat, but never to the point that I'd be concerned about applying too much.
I don't feel comfortable with the technique many are suggesting of applying "just enough heat to melt the solder", because that won't give the best transfer of heat to the pad, which is important for a good joint.
But I'm just a hobbyist, so if any professionals can weigh in that'd be nice. Maybe I've been going about it wrong and didn't realize it. :)
Post by: UTEster750 on Mon, 09 November 2015, 23:12:33
Are people overdoing it with the solder? I can't imagine using enough heat to cause melting like this, although all my Zealios are still sitting in the bag. But I know my iron very well and always try to use as little heat as possible.
Matias switches are clear and I've never had problems but I'm not sure if it's the same kind of plastic.
I won't claim to never make mistakes (I wish :)) ), but I've been soldering for well over 10 years and never had this issue. I've worked to get my soldering technique up to par and try to avoid cold joints, so I apply a bit of heat, but never to the point that I'd be concerned about applying too much.
I don't feel comfortable with the technique many are suggesting of applying "just enough heat to melt the solder", because that won't give the best transfer of heat to the pad, which is important for a good joint.
But I'm just a hobbyist, so if any professionals can weigh in that'd be nice. Maybe I've been going about it wrong and didn't realize it. :)
I'm no pro either but I've done a share of soldering and I think what you said has merit. I think having a good temperature then just only having heat contact for as long as needed instead of a long exposure to a colder iron.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 10 November 2015, 17:09:19
The remaining geekhackers spring lube was shipped today. mkawa's very sorry about the lube delays -- he's been super busy with work and also has family matters to deal with.
I expect to receive the spring lube sometime next week, and will turn around the remaining 10% of orders that are left. After that, we can finally conclude the GB. Thanks everyone. :)
Post by: Lepidus on Tue, 10 November 2015, 17:26:11
Although they appear to have the same weight, their "construction" is indeed very different. Yet, couldnt feel any difference, even between the 62g and 65g. Maybe my fingers are broken. :D
By order: Cherry MX clear, Zeal 65g, Sprit 62g gold plated, Sprit 65g "regular"
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Post by: Zustiur on Wed, 11 November 2015, 01:38:35
Post by: alex952 on Wed, 11 November 2015, 06:50:17
I haven't really tested thoroughly, but from my experience, there might me some kind of degree of chattering, as the first keys that I noticed always double-press when I hit them, at any force whatsoever, but the last two that I realized had the same issue, do not affect my typing at all if I press them normally.
I've got 4 spares, so I guess I will be desoldering the affected ones and using those as replacements because I cannot remove the switch with it sitting in the plate :(
Post by: breitling on Wed, 11 November 2015, 17:19:02
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 11 November 2015, 17:27:48
Imagine your entire keyboard switching colors based on which mode you're in in vim!
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 12 November 2015, 00:46:39
Been using my 67g purple Zealio build for a week now, I had no issues with chattering or actuating to high. When I read these comments I even went to test with Switch Hitter, but it confirmed that all is normal. I soldered my build with my Aoyue on 400C with a 1,6mm chisel tip and I had to desolder 2 keys to reseat the spacebar stabiliser wire which had come loose, but those keys are fine as well. All switches have had a sip sockets installed. Super happy with the switches, I was afraid they were going to be too light as I'm coming off of mx clears but they're really comfortable.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1hy7AcW.jpg)
That keyboard case is awesome!
And I agree with Hoff, best to use a high enough heat for just enough time. You want to heat the pad with the tip more than the pin, but it still needs some for the solder to "wet" it and not form a dry joint. Tinning them before insertion may help.
I'll be replacing the Gateron Browns in my Magicforce when it arrives, but that's gonna only be in January, so I may try install a few in the Ducky PCB I have lying around to test and share my findings.
Post by: renzpwns on Thu, 12 November 2015, 16:15:26
Post by: yowaffle on Thu, 12 November 2015, 16:32:56
Got my pack of 67g Zealios today! Modded my KBParadise v60 with TEX acrylic case and a plate from LeandreN.
It took me a while to realize what these switches were reminding me of though. I'm fairly certain that they are super-close in tactility to Matias Click switches, except they don't click (duh). I'm curious to try lighter versions, as I used to be a huge fan of Matias Quiet Click switches and as far as I remember those were slightly lighter in feel than their noisy counterparts.
May I ask why you used to be a huge fan of Matias Quiet Click? I alternate between the 65g Zealios and MQCs at work and home and am curious!
Post by: breitling on Thu, 12 November 2015, 17:49:48
I also did not want to desolder my key switches and realized I could reach that contact without removing the key switch and just push the stem down all the way and insert a very thin jewelers screwdriver into the space between the stem and the case and it is just enough room to bend that contact back.. it definitely works 100% for me so far on about 4 switches. Some of the function and lock keys its harder to tell if its chattering.
Thanks guys for all the help in this thread, very useful.
For the record, I soldered at 450 degrees using a small chisel tip.. not sure the measurement.
Post by: inanis on Thu, 12 November 2015, 18:00:18
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 12 November 2015, 18:32:30
Zeal, quick question I saw your not above regarding orders with lube, what about the orders with cables? Will those be going out in a similar time frame?
I'm still working through them, and have been shipping orders out with cables. Sorry to keep you guys waiting. :( I'll try to finish them all by next week.
Post by: ika on Thu, 12 November 2015, 21:26:03
Just fixed all my chattering keys using the method illustrated above. I noticed the keys that had the issue were ones that the key was engaging when you just tapped the key really lightly, so it occasionally resulted in a double-press when pushed a certain way. This made it easy to diagnose which keys were having the issue as I would tap the key really lightly a few times and see if it would register a click.
I also did not want to desolder my key switches and realized I could reach that contact without removing the key switch and just push the stem down all the way and insert a very thin jewelers screwdriver into the space between the stem and the case and it is just enough room to bend that contact back.. it definitely works 100% for me so far on about 4 switches. Some of the function and lock keys its harder to tell if its chattering.
Thanks guys for all the help in this thread, very useful.
For the record, I soldered at 450 degrees using a small chisel tip.. not sure the measurement.
Can you further detail exactly how you did it through the top? I attempted to do strict's fix using your instructions. From the stem hole I found I was only able to affect the front "half" of leaf bend (the bend facing towards the stem), and wasn't able to do what strict said he did. I tried both pulling and pushing that leaf and couldn't fix the chattering. I did, however, kill the bump a little bit :blank:. Are you levering the switch leaf from the back towards the middle/stem, or pushing it towards the back, away from the stem?
Post by: hamilton on Thu, 12 November 2015, 22:01:02
Can't wait to put them in a board
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Thu, 12 November 2015, 23:18:43
Maybe i have some cold joints. Well the bright side is, i'll be de/resoldering all the connections soon, so we'll see if any chattering develops.
Post by: Rayoui on Fri, 13 November 2015, 01:49:25
Welp, mye keyboard went haywire are 3 days of use. Keystrokes intermittently dont register, keystrokes appearing after an 8 second lag, weird voodoo stuff like that.
Maybe i have some cold joints. Well the bright side is, i'll be de/resoldering all the connections soon, so we'll see if any chattering develops.
Keystrokes appearing after a delay sounds more like a software issue than bad soldering. Could be a faulty controller or it could be your computer.
Post by: Lepidus on Fri, 13 November 2015, 05:33:59
The springs Zeal is selling are copy products made in China, Not from me. They are pirate copies from my old version, sorry for that.
I will post soon again. Thanks! ;)
Ouch.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 13 November 2015, 08:40:06
The springs Zeal is selling are copy products made in China, Not from me. They are pirate copies from my old version, sorry for that.
I will post soon again. Thanks! ;)
Ouch.
That's not really true. You even posted a comparison shot proving that it's not true. ;) Why bother posting the quote here?
Got my zealios at the same day some SPRiT springs arrived. So why not post here? :))
Although they appear to have the same weight, their "construction" is indeed very different. Yet, couldnt feel any difference, even between the 62g and 65g. Maybe my fingers are broken. :D
By order: Cherry MX clear, Zeal 65g, Sprit 62g gold plated, Sprit 65g "regular"
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Post by: Zeal on Fri, 13 November 2015, 11:38:14
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 13 November 2015, 11:40:17
I don't know why he's so salty about me having 62g/65g/67g springs in Zealios by default. My springs aren't even being sold separately as there's no point anymore, and coil wise they're all different from his offerings.
Probably because you're taking away customers from him, even though it's not like he was shipping out peoples orders anyways.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 13 November 2015, 12:44:57
I don't know why he's so salty about me having 62g/65g/67g springs in Zealios by default. My springs aren't even being sold separately as there's no point anymore, and coil wise they're all different from his offerings.
Probably because you're taking away customers from him, even though it's not like he was shipping out peoples orders anyways.
Well he's not a vendor anyway, so if he is worried about losing "customers" then there's another discussion to be having.
But this isn't the place for it, so let's stay on topic here. :thumb:
Post by: inanis on Fri, 13 November 2015, 17:59:59
Post by: dragon788 on Fri, 13 November 2015, 21:07:25
Post by: zoke on Sat, 14 November 2015, 13:54:33
Post by: dragon788 on Sat, 14 November 2015, 16:28:16
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Sat, 14 November 2015, 23:24:52
[attach=2]
Bought flux, Wick, new solder, every damn thing, didn't work..
Until now!
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I had to use this, and align it vertically or there'd be some solder left in the hole.
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Can't wait til I have time for the whole board!
EDIT: I also had to run my iron at 340C, instead of my usual 300C.
Post by: E3E on Sun, 15 November 2015, 02:07:29
Received my Zealios on 29th Oct. Could not for the life of me desoldering these darn 4 pin LEDs.
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Bought flux, Wick, new solder, ever damn thing, didn't work..
Until now!
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I had to use this, and align it vertically or there'd be some solder left in the hole.
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Can't wait til I have time for the whole board!
Sweet. Looks like you've found the perfect board for zealios!
Post by: ideus on Sun, 15 November 2015, 09:27:05
:'(
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Sun, 15 November 2015, 19:27:22
[attach=1]
I have no idea what purpose i had in mind when i did this, other than because i can. I have to say, i never particularly liked linear switches til i tried these clear zealios.
Post by: Zealousy on Mon, 16 November 2015, 00:40:21
Just curious, have all 10 of the Bingecap winners shown? You never know...
Post by: UTEster750 on Mon, 16 November 2015, 06:05:05
Still waiting anxiously for the Zealios. My order contained lube so I can understand it being in the last batch.
Just curious, have all 10 of the Bingecap winners shown? You never know...
I think I have counted 5 or 6 so far, so who knows? :p
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Tue, 17 November 2015, 11:32:34
107 switches. Exactly enough for a blackwidow te and an orbweaver.
Two days, a total of about 5 hours in, and this is all I've accomplished on this keyboard:
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That's like, three switches an hour. Also, it looks like the plate is actually soldered to the pcb.
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Post by: Cheesebaron on Thu, 19 November 2015, 18:09:37
(http://i.imgur.com/hciIkAP.jpg)
8 of them seem to be chattering. I can barely touch the key and it activates.
I've soldered loads of Cherry MX switches before, this is the first time ever I encounter this problem. I soldered with 300 degrees C.
What do?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 19 November 2015, 18:15:32
I've soldered loads of Cherry MX switches before, this is the first time ever I encounter this problem. I soldered with 300 degrees C.
What do?
Looks like you can open the switches without desoldering so try this :)
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-lightly bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
Post by: zombimuncha on Fri, 20 November 2015, 04:47:04
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107 switches. Exactly enough for a blackwidow te and an orbweaver.
Two days, a total of about 5 hours in, and this is all I've accomplished on this keyboard:
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That's like, three switches an hour. Also, it looks like the plate is actually soldered to the pcb.
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I had similar....fun.
First 1-2 hour session: 0 switches desoldered.
Second session: 0 switches desoldered
Third session: 1 switch desoldered
Fourth session: 6 switches desoldered
Fifth session: 8
Sixth: 12
...
Hopefully I'll finish sometime before the end of next week.
No chattering so far!
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 20 November 2015, 06:55:24
(Attachment Link)
107 switches. Exactly enough for a blackwidow te and an orbweaver.
Two days, a total of about 5 hours in, and this is all I've accomplished on this keyboard:
(Attachment Link)
That's like, three switches an hour. Also, it looks like the plate is actually soldered to the pcb.
(Attachment Link)
I had similar....fun.
First 1-2 hour session: 0 switches desoldered.
Second session: 0 switches desoldered
Third session: 1 switch desoldered
Fourth session: 6 switches desoldered
Fifth session: 8
Sixth: 12
...
Hopefully I'll finish sometime before the end of next week.
No chattering so far!
Glad someone else has my desoldering skills
Post by: techmattr on Fri, 20 November 2015, 09:29:02
Post by: Remenition on Fri, 20 November 2015, 11:21:54
Still waiting anxiously for the Zealios. My order contained lube so I can understand it being in the last batch.nope.
Just curious, have all 10 of the Bingecap winners shown? You never know...
Post by: ideus on Fri, 20 November 2015, 11:36:31
Still waiting anxiously for the Zealios. My order contained lube so I can understand it being in the last batch.nope.
Just curious, have all 10 of the Bingecap winners shown? You never know...
My order does not have lube, but it is still not showing, ???
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 20 November 2015, 13:40:34
@ideus, your order was shipped out on Oct 25. Let me know if you haven't received it by the end of the month.
Post by: inanis on Fri, 20 November 2015, 13:45:31
I totally forgot about the possibility of getting a Binge cap. I got my package on Wednesday, and no Binge was to be found. That is okay though, I forgot to be disappointed! Also, my cable that I ordered with my switches is completely fantastic.Still waiting anxiously for the Zealios. My order contained lube so I can understand it being in the last batch.nope.
Just curious, have all 10 of the Bingecap winners shown? You never know...
Post by: ideus on Fri, 20 November 2015, 14:58:21
I've pretty much shipped everyone's order, people with spring lube should have received notification last night/this morning. I have about 3 or so orders left with cables that I'll try to finish up today. Thanks for everyone's patience and understanding.
@ideus, your order was shipped out on Oct 25. Let me know if you haven't received it by the end of the month.
I will let you know, thank you very much for the feedback.
Post by: kekstee on Fri, 20 November 2015, 19:49:40
Post by: gadzkun on Fri, 20 November 2015, 22:09:28
i really want it, but 200$ for 200 switch i cant afford it :(
Post by: romevi on Fri, 20 November 2015, 22:55:45
hope there will be a 2nd round. $0.75 per switch is really a good deal.
i really want it, but 200$ for 200 switch i cant afford it :(
Pretty sure they're just regular stock in his store now.
Could be proven otherwise, though.
Post by: Zealousy on Sat, 21 November 2015, 01:13:06
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 21 November 2015, 03:23:18
So the chattering issues mentioned here appeared only after soldering? Or would it still be wise to check every switch before soldering?
One person had a single purple stem that was missing half a leg so I'm planning to open and check all of mine before soldering (they're going in a non open-able plate) but the chattering issue only happens when you solder them the wrong way.
Reports suggest it's not related to heat so to avoid bending the leaf relative to the slider I will be soldering from the thin sides of the legs with my toes crossed (fingers will be busy :)))
Post by: zombimuncha on Sat, 21 November 2015, 08:37:13
BTW, I got 0 chattery switches out of 66, and am a total n00b at soldering.
Post by: Dee1 on Sat, 21 November 2015, 14:47:05
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 22 November 2015, 11:13:16
Post by: filphil on Sun, 22 November 2015, 21:03:58
I put together my Orion v2 yesterday, used the 65g Zealio switches and I did not have a problem with a single switch. I kept my soldering iron on 290 C and made sure just to get the it hot enough for the solder to flow in the switch post holes.
What did you think of the switches I sent you?
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 22 November 2015, 22:11:22
I put together my Orion v2 yesterday, used the 65g Zealio switches and I did not have a problem with a single switch. I kept my soldering iron on 290 C and made sure just to get the it hot enough for the solder to flow in the switch post holes.
What did you think of the switches I sent you?
I like the feel the feel of the lubed zealios, I never tried lubed switches before so it felt pretty to me. Although it feels a little lighter with the lube, the bump feels a slightly muffled as well. I'd say the zealio beat the clear but the lubed clear beat the lubed zealio switches. I didn't lube my Orion but I'm still quite satisfied with it. :thumb:
Post by: wilarseny on Mon, 23 November 2015, 02:12:56
Impressions - the 65g feel much closer to ergo clears than the 67g do. It's amazing that 2g of resistance can make this much difference. I think I overall prefer the 67g - they feel much snappier, there's a really nice bounceback after the keypress which is missing to some small degree in the 65g (though it's still present, just a bit less). I prefer heavier switches in general though so YMMV. The 67g are also a more "unique" switch to me - again, the 65g are pretty close to ergos to me, while the 67g don't feel like any other switch I've tried (including Topre, though I understand the comparison now). Hopefully the 62g tactile come back with round 2 so I can be financially irresponsible enough to build a 3rd Zealios board!
* A fully transparent case was a bad choice in this regard, as cool as it looks otherwise.
Post by: braidn on Mon, 23 November 2015, 08:21:31
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 23 November 2015, 08:28:34
Has anyone tried QMX dampeners with these switches?
Post by: asgeirtj on Mon, 23 November 2015, 08:32:28
Anyone build a board with 65g alphas and 67g mods? Getting a 60 for some unique layout love and thinking that this might be an equally cool experience. Just wondering if it is worth grabbing maybe 30 or so more Zealios. Thanks again.
In my experience making a board with differing weights is a bad idea. We have been using uniform boards since we starting using computers and I think we have learned to use it like that and nonuniform weight will actually be unnatural, but this is probably just taste and the only way to know is to try it yourself.
I've now done a second board with Zealios (65g this time, rather than the 67g of the first) and again have 0 problem keys. To be honest, the soldering is even worse this time - I somehow got worse at it, and I'd be ashamed if anyone else saw the bottom of this PCB.* It makes me really doubt that soldering is at issue unless people are jamming the iron all the way down under the pad and somehow touching the switch bottom, or at putting on so much solder that it's dripping through the hole and melting the area around the pin. Are the chattering keys showing up for people with PCB builds, or handwire? I could see a handwire build going a bit more awry heat-wise, but I've never done one so not sure.
Impressions - the 65g feel much closer to ergo clears than the 67g do. It's amazing that 2g of resistance can make this much difference. I think I overall prefer the 67g - they feel much snappier, there's a really nice bounceback after the keypress which is missing to some small degree in the 65g (though it's still present, just a bit less). I prefer heavier switches in general though so YMMV. The 67g are also a more "unique" switch to me - again, the 65g are pretty close to ergos to me, while the 67g don't feel like any other switch I've tried (including Topre, though I understand the comparison now). Hopefully the 62g tactile come back with round 2 so I can be financially irresponsible enough to build a 3rd Zealios board!
* A fully transparent case was a bad choice in this regard, as cool as it looks otherwise.
I first did my gaming board (octagon) with 65g clears but they turned out to be too heavy for constant spamming of keys, so I've changed it to 62g. Now I have my work board with 65g's and am thinking that it might be a little too light, or at least that 67g might feel better. I don't have 67g zealios for a full board so I'm going to do a spring swap, you should know that you can get 62g from sprit. Concerning springs I tried sprit's 62g's and 65g's vs zeals counterparts and I didn't feel any difference. But I'm not 100% sure, it would be nice to get a confirmation of this from someone else who has tried it. I have some 67g's from originative and am going to use them to spring swap, I'm going to check if they feel the same as zeal's 67g though first (I have 10x of them), does anyone here know if they feel the same?
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 23 November 2015, 08:33:46
I have a real dilemma now. I bought a perplz plate from LeandreN, but i also have GMK QMX dampeners coming, and they don't go with plates. What to do...
Has anyone tried QMX dampeners with these switches?
I have QMX clips coming in today to play with (assuming the mail person doesn't take my package back to HQ). I actually built up my FaceW as PCB mount for the purpose of eventually testing it with QMX Clips, but I've come to really like PCB mount switches. It feels more light-touch springy than my the steel plate of my Poker 2.
You should add Gateron Blue's and a second PCB to your LeandreN order and try Zealio's PCB mount :)
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 23 November 2015, 11:42:28
I'll try out a few combos.
Post by: asgeirtj on Mon, 23 November 2015, 15:14:27
Post by: Remenition on Mon, 23 November 2015, 21:21:12
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 23 November 2015, 21:49:15
I've now done a second board with Zealios (65g this time, rather than the 67g of the first) and again have 0 problem keys. To be honest, the soldering is even worse this time - I somehow got worse at it, and I'd be ashamed if anyone else saw the bottom of this PCB.* It makes me really doubt that soldering is at issue unless people are jamming the iron all the way down under the pad and somehow touching the switch bottom, or at putting on so much solder that it's dripping through the hole and melting the area around the pin. Are the chattering keys showing up for people with PCB builds, or handwire? I could see a handwire build going a bit more awry heat-wise, but I've never done one so not sure.
Impressions - the 65g feel much closer to ergo clears than the 67g do. It's amazing that 2g of resistance can make this much difference. I think I overall prefer the 67g - they feel much snappier, there's a really nice bounceback after the keypress which is missing to some small degree in the 65g (though it's still present, just a bit less). I prefer heavier switches in general though so YMMV. The 67g are also a more "unique" switch to me - again, the 65g are pretty close to ergos to me, while the 67g don't feel like any other switch I've tried (including Topre, though I understand the comparison now). Hopefully the 62g tactile come back with round 2 so I can be financially irresponsible enough to build a 3rd Zealios board!
* A fully transparent case was a bad choice in this regard, as cool as it looks otherwise.
What type of soldering iron are you using? If you're using some cheapo without temp regulation that actually might be helping keep you from melting the base as it wouldn't be capable of holding a consistent temperature. The downside is sloppy soldering and cold joints.
Post by: wilarseny on Tue, 24 November 2015, 05:18:27
I've now done a second board with Zealios (65g this time, rather than the 67g of the first) and again have 0 problem keys. To be honest, the soldering is even worse this time - I somehow got worse at it, and I'd be ashamed if anyone else saw the bottom of this PCB.* It makes me really doubt that soldering is at issue unless people are jamming the iron all the way down under the pad and somehow touching the switch bottom, or at putting on so much solder that it's dripping through the hole and melting the area around the pin. Are the chattering keys showing up for people with PCB builds, or handwire? I could see a handwire build going a bit more awry heat-wise, but I've never done one so not sure.
Impressions - the 65g feel much closer to ergo clears than the 67g do. It's amazing that 2g of resistance can make this much difference. I think I overall prefer the 67g - they feel much snappier, there's a really nice bounceback after the keypress which is missing to some small degree in the 65g (though it's still present, just a bit less). I prefer heavier switches in general though so YMMV. The 67g are also a more "unique" switch to me - again, the 65g are pretty close to ergos to me, while the 67g don't feel like any other switch I've tried (including Topre, though I understand the comparison now). Hopefully the 62g tactile come back with round 2 so I can be financially irresponsible enough to build a 3rd Zealios board!
* A fully transparent case was a bad choice in this regard, as cool as it looks otherwise.
What type of soldering iron are you using? If you're using some cheapo without temp regulation that actually might be helping keep you from melting the base as it wouldn't be capable of holding a consistent temperature. The downside is sloppy soldering and cold joints.
Could be. It's a Weller WLC100, which runs about $40 on Amazon. It does have temp control but I've felt like anything below the highest setting is too low to melt the solder quick enough for my tastes. Does burn pretty hot especially after tinning - and I tin probably more than I need to given my noob-ness - but no idea to what extent the temps are dropping while on the pin. Why I say my soldering sucks is usually the opposite problem, really - I'm melting the solder pretty quickly and usually ending up with beading, but it doesn't look like a cold joint (from what I've seen). Most of my joints look like the furthest-to-the-right image in this pic: https://learn.adafruit.com/system/assets/assets/000/001/978/original/tools_Header_Joints.jpg?1396777967
Post by: cjhard on Tue, 24 November 2015, 08:03:40
EDIT: Tested with a Cherry MX switch, Zealio is only slightly harder to attach these things, but they do go on!
Post by: dragon788 on Tue, 24 November 2015, 08:12:05
Post by: techmattr on Tue, 24 November 2015, 10:52:50
I've now done a second board with Zealios (65g this time, rather than the 67g of the first) and again have 0 problem keys. To be honest, the soldering is even worse this time - I somehow got worse at it, and I'd be ashamed if anyone else saw the bottom of this PCB.* It makes me really doubt that soldering is at issue unless people are jamming the iron all the way down under the pad and somehow touching the switch bottom, or at putting on so much solder that it's dripping through the hole and melting the area around the pin. Are the chattering keys showing up for people with PCB builds, or handwire? I could see a handwire build going a bit more awry heat-wise, but I've never done one so not sure.
Impressions - the 65g feel much closer to ergo clears than the 67g do. It's amazing that 2g of resistance can make this much difference. I think I overall prefer the 67g - they feel much snappier, there's a really nice bounceback after the keypress which is missing to some small degree in the 65g (though it's still present, just a bit less). I prefer heavier switches in general though so YMMV. The 67g are also a more "unique" switch to me - again, the 65g are pretty close to ergos to me, while the 67g don't feel like any other switch I've tried (including Topre, though I understand the comparison now). Hopefully the 62g tactile come back with round 2 so I can be financially irresponsible enough to build a 3rd Zealios board!
* A fully transparent case was a bad choice in this regard, as cool as it looks otherwise.
What type of soldering iron are you using? If you're using some cheapo without temp regulation that actually might be helping keep you from melting the base as it wouldn't be capable of holding a consistent temperature. The downside is sloppy soldering and cold joints.
Could be. It's a Weller WLC100, which runs about $40 on Amazon. It does have temp control but I've felt like anything below the highest setting is too low to melt the solder quick enough for my tastes. Does burn pretty hot especially after tinning - and I tin probably more than I need to given my noob-ness - but no idea to what extent the temps are dropping while on the pin. Why I say my soldering sucks is usually the opposite problem, really - I'm melting the solder pretty quickly and usually ending up with beading, but it doesn't look like a cold joint (from what I've seen). Most of my joints look like the furthest-to-the-right image in this pic: https://learn.adafruit.com/system/assets/assets/000/001/978/original/tools_Header_Joints.jpg?1396777967
Yeah the WLC100 has temp control but not regulated at the tip. Though from your description your probably melting the solder onto the pin rather than using heat to flow the solder onto both contact points. It may not look like it but that is creating a cold joint. If you gobbing a bunch of solder on there though it may never be an issue. Typically cold joints cause an issue by cracking and separating under pressure or stress. Since these parts shouldn't really endure any of that they could very well be fine.
I've found that any amount of heat required to flow the solder against the pins causes the base to start melting. The issues comes in when as others have mentioned... you apply pressure to the pin causing the leaf to move out of position. If you melt the base enough then it'll just move on it's own due to the pressure from the contact.
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 24 November 2015, 10:57:36
I've found that any amount of heat required to flow the solder against the pins causes the base to start melting. The issues comes in when as others have mentioned... you apply pressure to the pin causing the leaf to move out of position. If you melt the base enough then it'll just move on it's own due to the pressure from the contact.
I used 290C on my Weller WESD51 and had absolutely no problems. I only ended up having one cold joint for my ESC LED but that was an easy fix. Other than that all my switches are no with no chattering or double register issues. Obviously since the switches are soldered on I can't really get a good look at them to see whether or not the base has melted but I highly doubt it. I was pretty quick with my soldering and have had quite a bit of practice over the years.
Post by: ika on Tue, 24 November 2015, 15:58:12
Post by: breitling on Tue, 24 November 2015, 16:45:23
Just fixed all my chattering keys using the method illustrated above. I noticed the keys that had the issue were ones that the key was engaging when you just tapped the key really lightly, so it occasionally resulted in a double-press when pushed a certain way. This made it easy to diagnose which keys were having the issue as I would tap the key really lightly a few times and see if it would register a click.
I also did not want to desolder my key switches and realized I could reach that contact without removing the key switch and just push the stem down all the way and insert a very thin jewelers screwdriver into the space between the stem and the case and it is just enough room to bend that contact back.. it definitely works 100% for me so far on about 4 switches. Some of the function and lock keys its harder to tell if its chattering.
Thanks guys for all the help in this thread, very useful.
For the record, I soldered at 450 degrees using a small chisel tip.. not sure the measurement.
Can you further detail exactly how you did it through the top? I attempted to do strict's fix using your instructions. From the stem hole I found I was only able to affect the front "half" of leaf bend (the bend facing towards the stem), and wasn't able to do what strict said he did. I tried both pulling and pushing that leaf and couldn't fix the chattering. I did, however, kill the bump a little bit :blank:. Are you levering the switch leaf from the back towards the middle/stem, or pushing it towards the back, away from the stem?
Sorry I missed this until now.. If you haven't solved the problem yet, here is how I did it, I don't really have photos though. If I understand what you're saying, you had trouble reaching the front of the switch leaf in order to pull it back towards the plastic stem, correct? You are only able to reach the back side of the switch leaf and push it away from the stem, which does not solve this problem.
If that's the case, you may need something thinner than what you are using.. I have a thin jewelers screwdriver which I used to get in there and get in front of the switch leaf and pull it back towards the plastic stem. Its quite deep in there but I have solved all my keys 100% and I am loving these switches now.
Post by: ika on Tue, 24 November 2015, 16:52:00
Just fixed all my chattering keys using the method illustrated above. I noticed the keys that had the issue were ones that the key was engaging when you just tapped the key really lightly, so it occasionally resulted in a double-press when pushed a certain way. This made it easy to diagnose which keys were having the issue as I would tap the key really lightly a few times and see if it would register a click.
I also did not want to desolder my key switches and realized I could reach that contact without removing the key switch and just push the stem down all the way and insert a very thin jewelers screwdriver into the space between the stem and the case and it is just enough room to bend that contact back.. it definitely works 100% for me so far on about 4 switches. Some of the function and lock keys its harder to tell if its chattering.
Thanks guys for all the help in this thread, very useful.
For the record, I soldered at 450 degrees using a small chisel tip.. not sure the measurement.
Can you further detail exactly how you did it through the top? I attempted to do strict's fix using your instructions. From the stem hole I found I was only able to affect the front "half" of leaf bend (the bend facing towards the stem), and wasn't able to do what strict said he did. I tried both pulling and pushing that leaf and couldn't fix the chattering. I did, however, kill the bump a little bit :blank:. Are you levering the switch leaf from the back towards the middle/stem, or pushing it towards the back, away from the stem?
Sorry I missed this until now.. If you haven't solved the problem yet, here is how I did it, I don't really have photos though. If I understand what you're saying, you had trouble reaching the front of the switch leaf in order to pull it back towards the plastic stem, correct? You are only able to reach the back side of the switch leaf and push it away from the stem, which does not solve this problem.
If that's the case, you may need something thinner than what you are using.. I have a thin jewelers screwdriver which I used to get in there and get in front of the switch leaf and pull it back towards the plastic stem. Its quite deep in there but I have solved all my keys 100% and I am loving these switches now.
Were you pulling the small contact (the one closer to the middle) or the bent leaf itself?
Post by: breitling on Tue, 24 November 2015, 17:44:34
Sorry I missed this until now.. If you haven't solved the problem yet, here is how I did it, I don't really have photos though. If I understand what you're saying, you had trouble reaching the front of the switch leaf in order to pull it back towards the plastic stem, correct? You are only able to reach the back side of the switch leaf and push it away from the stem, which does not solve this problem.
If that's the case, you may need something thinner than what you are using.. I have a thin jewelers screwdriver which I used to get in there and get in front of the switch leaf and pull it back towards the plastic stem. Its quite deep in there but I have solved all my keys 100% and I am loving these switches now.
Were you pulling the small contact (the one closer to the middle) or the bent leaf itself?
Yes - I was pulling the Blue circled contact towards the centre plastic stem which was circled in red, in essence nudging the two metal contacts further apart. This is the post pic I was referring to:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1923515#msg1923515
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 25 November 2015, 14:34:58
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 25 November 2015, 15:27:27
You guys know you can solder without so much as touching copper, right? Put the solder between the tip and the contact.
You can get it to stick, but it won't really be the best joint without giving it sufficient time to heat the contact anyway, at which point why bother?
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 25 November 2015, 15:33:37
Post by: ideus on Sun, 29 November 2015, 00:20:52
They feel smooth and the sound is very silence.
Thank you Zeal.
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Sun, 29 November 2015, 10:20:17
I checked the green razers I just pulled out, and there's no give on either pin.
Could the actuation problems be from that?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 29 November 2015, 10:40:50
My order for Zealios has arrived, they were soldered in my new GON and there was no chattering, at all. I had no special precautions, I just use the same basic procedure with the same cheapo soldering station.
There's always the chance that your soldering iron just couldn't get up to the temperature required to damage the zealios. Glad to hear you had no problems though! How are you enjoying the switches?
Post by: asgeirtj on Sun, 29 November 2015, 15:22:07
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 29 November 2015, 15:52:12
My order for Zealios has arrived, they were soldered in my new GON and there was no chattering, at all. I had no special precautions, I just use the same basic procedure with the same cheapo soldering station.
There's always the chance that your soldering iron just couldn't get up to the temperature required to damage the zealios. Glad to hear you had no problems though! How are you enjoying the switches?
I desoldered a Zealio to mount my Viper's capslock key off-centre for a photo shoot, and I did not notice any melting "rings" around the pin as seen from a few pictures. My iron stays at 650F/343C with 0.02" 63/37 Kester 44. Just throwing that figure out there cause to this day, I have not experienced any issues with the Zealios.
Wish there was a 66g option :)
If you pull the coils apart ever so slightly, it'll become 66g. :P
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 30 November 2015, 08:33:49
Post by: E3E on Mon, 30 November 2015, 20:37:06
If I ever want to go tactile, I'll probably swap stems with vintage MX clear stems. :3 Happy to finally be part of the Zealio buy, even if it was more a Black Friday - Cyber Monday sale. :P
Post by: ideus on Mon, 30 November 2015, 20:53:28
(http://i.imgur.com/MWT4W77.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/mF7Jvom.jpg)
Post by: ari on Tue, 01 December 2015, 03:43:25
If this theory is right, this problem cannot be seen in linear switches; it will only present on tactiles, and even then, only on some tactiles. The tolerences here are small enough that hamfisted soldering could introduce it - or just pressure at the right angle on the leg of the stationary contact. But it can - and does - present these symptoms on never-soldered switches...
I gave Zeal a heads-up with the core details already, but I need some better measurements before I'm comfortable posting everything. I'm hoping to have a full write-up late this weekend.
(Also, hi, finally got off my arse and registered an account instead of lurking.)
Post by: kekstee on Tue, 01 December 2015, 04:39:03
I don't have switches that are quite like it, and given lighter 45g HHKB Topres I can't follow that analogy either.
It's probably the heaviest switch I see myself using and enjoying to use. So I guess I'm happy I went with 67g instead of the more ErgoClear like variants. :)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 01 December 2015, 05:15:46
Depending on how you soldered them in, not necessarily. I need to get some better measurements made [under a microscope], but the physical difference between a chattering switch and a clean one is as little as 0.01mm, +/- 0.00025mm.
If this theory is right, this problem cannot be seen in linear switches; it will only present on tactiles, and even then, only on some tactiles. The tolerences here are small enough that hamfisted soldering could introduce it - or just pressure at the right angle on the leg of the stationary contact. But it can - and does - present these symptoms on never-soldered switches...
I gave Zeal a heads-up with the core details already, but I need some better measurements before I'm comfortable posting everything. I'm hoping to have a full write-up late this weekend.
(Also, hi, finally got off my arse and registered an account instead of lurking.)
Glad to hear that it won't affect linear versions, as that's what I recently picked up! I did put together two boards for customers who provided purple Zealios and I had little issue there. One had two chattering switches prior to soldering. There were no issues post-soldering with any switches.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 01 December 2015, 07:27:15
Post by: E3E on Tue, 01 December 2015, 07:32:54
I need to order more 67g switches. Bought another keyboard I want expecting.
It's comforting to know I'm not the only one, hahaha.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 01 December 2015, 07:44:22
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 01 December 2015, 08:35:34
I need to order more 67g switches. Bought another keyboard I want expecting.
It's comforting to know I'm not the only one, hahaha.
Leeku's 1800 buy got to me :))
Post by: inanis on Tue, 01 December 2015, 08:48:23
Great switches. Thanks, Zeal!
Post by: edel781 on Tue, 01 December 2015, 17:12:13
(http://i.imgur.com/SXcKr9J.png)
Post by: E3E on Tue, 01 December 2015, 17:41:24
I'm having no issues with my 62g linears. Thanks Zeal :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/SXcKr9J.png)
Aww yeah, good to see another linear junkie!
Post by: edel781 on Tue, 01 December 2015, 17:56:48
Aww yeah, good to see another linear junkie!
#linears4life :cool: :cool: :cool:
Post by: ctm on Thu, 03 December 2015, 21:24:56
Post by: Zustiur on Sat, 05 December 2015, 02:49:46
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-lightly bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.I have also fixed 9 keys this way. One was stubborn but it worked eventually.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
To clarify, I'm using 'precision screwdrivers' such as you'd use on a watch or on the arms of your glasses. They're tiny and cheap. Push the stem down with one of the larger screwdrivers, then using the smallest flat head you've got in the set, push the clear plastic under the word 'Gateron' forward. As you do this, the thicker of the two pieces of copper should become visible. Push the screwdriver down a bit further, inserting it between the plastic and the copper. Tweak the copper towards yourself (assuming the word Gateron is the right way up!). Some will require a bit more pushing than others.Just fixed all my chattering keys using the method illustrated above. I noticed the keys that had the issue were ones that the key was engaging when you just tapped the key really lightly, so it occasionally resulted in a double-press when pushed a certain way. This made it easy to diagnose which keys were having the issue as I would tap the key really lightly a few times and see if it would register a click.
I also did not want to desolder my key switches and realized I could reach that contact without removing the key switch and just push the stem down all the way and insert a very thin jewelers screwdriver into the space between the stem and the case and it is just enough room to bend that contact back.. it definitely works 100% for me so far on about 4 switches. Some of the function and lock keys its harder to tell if its chattering.
Thanks guys for all the help in this thread, very useful.
For the record, I soldered at 450 degrees using a small chisel tip.. not sure the measurement.
Can you further detail exactly how you did it through the top? I attempted to do strict's fix using your instructions. From the stem hole I found I was only able to affect the front "half" of leaf bend (the bend facing towards the stem), and wasn't able to do what strict said he did. I tried both pulling and pushing that leaf and couldn't fix the chattering. I did, however, kill the bump a little bit :blank:. Are you levering the switch leaf from the back towards the middle/stem, or pushing it towards the back, away from the stem?
I'm convinced that this does tie into the melting issue. I do not have a variable temperature iron, and I suspect my iron is a bit hotter than some. Having made a really stupid error in building my keyboard I had to do a lot of desoldering and ended up melting quite a few of the switches to one degree or another. It became really apparent that if you put any pressure on the thicker leg of the copper while heating that it can melt the plastic just enough to move. Thankfully I only destroyed one switch completely but I can see how it happens. So here's an extreme example of what I'm talking about.
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/Zustiur/GeekHack/20151204_210216e.jpg)
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/Zustiur/GeekHack/20151204_210229e.jpg)
This switch is dead, the stem wouldn't even go down at all, but the keys I've fixed had all moved that thicker leg in the same sort of way.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 05 December 2015, 20:56:40
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-lightly bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.I have also fixed 9 keys this way. One was stubborn but it worked eventually.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)To clarify, I'm using 'precision screwdrivers' such as you'd use on a watch or on the arms of your glasses. They're tiny and cheap. Push the stem down with one of the larger screwdrivers, then using the smallest flat head you've got in the set, push the clear plastic under the word 'Gateron' forward. As you do this, the thicker of the two pieces of copper should become visible. Push the screwdriver down a bit further, inserting it between the plastic and the copper. Tweak the copper towards yourself (assuming the word Gateron is the right way up!). Some will require a bit more pushing than others.Just fixed all my chattering keys using the method illustrated above. I noticed the keys that had the issue were ones that the key was engaging when you just tapped the key really lightly, so it occasionally resulted in a double-press when pushed a certain way. This made it easy to diagnose which keys were having the issue as I would tap the key really lightly a few times and see if it would register a click.
I also did not want to desolder my key switches and realized I could reach that contact without removing the key switch and just push the stem down all the way and insert a very thin jewelers screwdriver into the space between the stem and the case and it is just enough room to bend that contact back.. it definitely works 100% for me so far on about 4 switches. Some of the function and lock keys its harder to tell if its chattering.
Thanks guys for all the help in this thread, very useful.
For the record, I soldered at 450 degrees using a small chisel tip.. not sure the measurement.
Can you further detail exactly how you did it through the top? I attempted to do strict's fix using your instructions. From the stem hole I found I was only able to affect the front "half" of leaf bend (the bend facing towards the stem), and wasn't able to do what strict said he did. I tried both pulling and pushing that leaf and couldn't fix the chattering. I did, however, kill the bump a little bit :blank:. Are you levering the switch leaf from the back towards the middle/stem, or pushing it towards the back, away from the stem?
I'm convinced that this does tie into the melting issue. I do not have a variable temperature iron, and I suspect my iron is a bit hotter than some. Having made a really stupid error in building my keyboard I had to do a lot of desoldering and ended up melting quite a few of the switches to one degree or another. It became really apparent that if you put any pressure on the thicker leg of the copper while heating that it can melt the plastic just enough to move. Thankfully I only destroyed one switch completely but I can see how it happens. So here's an extreme example of what I'm talking about.Show Image(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/Zustiur/GeekHack/20151204_210216e.jpg)Show Image(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/Zustiur/GeekHack/20151204_210229e.jpg)
This switch is dead, the stem wouldn't even go down at all, but the keys I've fixed had all moved that thicker leg in the same sort of way.
Man that is painful to look at
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Sun, 06 December 2015, 09:34:12
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No problems with ek switch hitter so far!
Interestingly, it seems that some LEDs affect the others - some LEDs didn't display some colours until I had all the LEDs soldered in.
Post by: E3E on Sun, 06 December 2015, 09:41:19
After weeks of attempts, I present: razer chroma feat: zealios!
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No problems with ek switch hitter so far!
Interestingly, it seems that some LEDs affect the others - some LEDs didn't display some colours until I had all the LEDs soldered in.
Wow, excellent use of the 4 pin RGB LEDs. It's a great way to really show what the Zealios were intended for. So awesome. If you could put it in a more low key case, it'd be one of the neatest full-size boards ever. :D
Either way though, it looks fantastic. Kudos to your hard work. :)
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 06 December 2015, 14:31:58
After weeks of attempts, I present: razer chroma feat: zealios!
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No problems with ek switch hitter so far!
Interestingly, it seems that some LEDs affect the others - some LEDs didn't display some colours until I had all the LEDs soldered in.
This may be the first Razer Chroma board with Zealios :P
Great job, kudos on you desoldering 522 through whole joints...and then soldering them back!
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 06 December 2015, 17:39:10
Great job, kudos on you desoldering 522 through whole joints...and then soldering them back!
Ugh, I hate desoldering. You are right in saying that is quite an achievement.
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Mon, 07 December 2015, 02:14:20
After weeks of attempts, I present: razer chroma feat: zealios!
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No problems with ek switch hitter so far!
Interestingly, it seems that some LEDs affect the others - some LEDs didn't display some colours until I had all the LEDs soldered in.
Wow, excellent use of the 4 pin RGB LEDs. It's a great way to really show what the Zealios were intended for. So awesome. If you could put it in a more low key case, it'd be one of the neatest full-size boards ever. :D
Either way though, it looks fantastic. Kudos to your hard work. :)
This may be the first Razer Chroma board with Zealios :P
Great job, kudos on you desoldering 522 through whole joints...and then soldering them back!
Ugh, I hate desoldering. You are right in saying that is quite an achievement.
Thanks! It was definitely an interesting experience.
I feel like the keyboard was built like a bloody tank - Getting to the pcb itself was an ordeal, and i think it had plated-through holes on a double sided pcb, which made it that much more of a pain! Looks like razer really doesn't want people getting into their keyboards.
Luckily, with advice from Zeal and you other guys on geekhack, i managed it! :D :D So props to everyone! ;D ;D
Anyway, now i'm feeling a bit sad that the light effect from the clear switches are hidden by stock razer keycaps - so any suggestions? I like the idea of jelly white POMs for diffusion but they seem hard to find.
P.S. I had two chattery keys this time - fixed them with strict's method, although now one seems to have less of a bump. The less-bumpy one has been relegated to the FN key.
Post by: dragon788 on Tue, 15 December 2015, 07:44:09
Post by: PrinsPils on Thu, 17 December 2015, 20:13:01
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 17 December 2015, 20:49:44
Zeal, any plans for a second run? :cool:
Very soon^tm
Post by: PrinsPils on Fri, 18 December 2015, 05:52:15
Awesome! do you have maybe 1 or 2 switches left over of the clicky switches. I checked your website but they are out of stock and would like to try some switches before i purchase 200.Zeal, any plans for a second run? :cool:
Very soon^tm
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 18 December 2015, 11:18:15
Awesome! do you have maybe 1 or 2 switches left over of the clicky switches. I checked your website but they are out of stock and would like to try some switches before i purchase 200.Zeal, any plans for a second run? :cool:
Very soon^tm
The clicky switch moulds haven't been made yet, it's still a concept phase.
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 18 December 2015, 12:22:52
If you do mean tactile, PM me, I have a couple extras if you pay postage. But note that I live in Norway, so the postage fees will be steep, and the speed slow.
Post by: Tuntematon on Sat, 19 December 2015, 15:32:10
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 23 December 2015, 13:59:49
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 23 December 2015, 14:49:13
I ordered 100, which was a weird choice, since I knew I would be using them for 60% keyboards... So now I have 30-ish left and nothing to do with them...
Post by: potatowire on Wed, 23 December 2015, 22:23:43
(http://i.imgur.com/gr0FYo8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SFFfVDH.jpg)
I love them.
Post by: mashby on Thu, 24 December 2015, 08:27:37
It took me a while to gather everything, but here is my first Zealio build.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gr0FYo8.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SFFfVDH.jpg)
I love them.
Looks great! Love the Nerd60 peeking out. What plate and case is that?
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 24 December 2015, 11:24:42
It took me a while to gather everything, but here is my first Zealio build.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gr0FYo8.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SFFfVDH.jpg)
I love them.
Looks great! Love the Nerd60 peeking out. What plate and case is that?
I could swear there were a few posts about this last night... Did gh roll back again or something?
I couldn't tell you what plate it is, but the case is one called something like "aluminum 60% custom keyboard case" from massdrop. I have it in blue and it's a great case! I wish I had gotten a nerd pcb for my build, maybe with the new zealios! :D
Post by: potatowire on Thu, 24 December 2015, 12:34:40
Looks great! Love the Nerd60 peeking out.
I liked that bit too! I took a few extra pictures of this area (http://i.imgur.com/TSAyhVo.jpg) for that reason.
What plate and case is that?
I'm pretty sure it is the LeandreN plate (I bought it from another user who got it from Massdrop), and the case is this one (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/60-keyboard-case?mode=guest_open). I am pleasantly surprised by it.
Post by: potatowire on Thu, 24 December 2015, 12:35:14
I could swear there were a few posts about this last night... Did gh roll back again or something?
You may have seen it on Reddit...
Edit: quote syntax typo
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 24 December 2015, 13:30:12
Haha! That may well be! I totally forget which is which sometimes XD
I could swear there were a few posts about this last night... Did gh roll back again or something?
You may have seen it on Reddit...
Edit: quote syntax typo
Post by: apolotary on Wed, 30 December 2015, 00:16:16
Also I was wondering if there's going to be a sale any time soon, wanted to buy or trade for a big pack of those :)
Post by: Happylomo on Wed, 30 December 2015, 00:57:19
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 30 December 2015, 15:56:42
Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 30 December 2015, 18:18:09
Whoa. I'm so out of the loop. Sauce?Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 30 December 2015, 18:28:02
Sorry can't really provide a source, it was discussed in IRC. Hop in there some time to join in on all the fun. :pWhoa. I'm so out of the loop. Sauce?Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Post by: Grrizz on Wed, 30 December 2015, 19:58:13
Whoa. I'm so out of the loop. Sauce?Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Zeal, any plans for a second run? :cool:
Very soon^tm
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 30 December 2015, 20:48:05
Post by: ari on Thu, 31 December 2015, 05:21:55
Here's the setup: Scope hooked up to a Teensy, probing the switch and the uC output.
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Looking just at the janky setup. Not a snowball's chance I'd do this for work, but these are slow signals with a pretty good voltage swing.
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With one keypress, we can easily see the problem: Early contact - 68ms before the main closure. That's WAY out of spec; there's a 5ms window for bounce; it is supposed to be stable after that point. Yellow trace: Switch. Green Trace: Microcontroller detection.
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Here's a different switch, showing not only an early closure (just over 70ms prior to main switch activation), it also shows a second activation after release. Mind you, these switches are unmodified, unsoldered, straight out of the shipping container. There's not a single controller that would think this is only one keypress. (Ignore the purple trace; it toggled every time through the main loop; I was curious.)
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With the stems at the lowest part of the tactile dip, you can see that the switch on the right (the good switch) is still open, while the switch on the left (the chattering switch) is CLOSED.
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This is what the switch SHOULD look like at this point -- there's a small gap, so it's still an open circuit.
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And here's what a chattering switch looks like:
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That difference is due to two things. First, the length difference between the front of the stationary contact mount and the rear of the slider guide. This accounts for up to 0.002 inches in my switches - smaller is better here:
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Secondly, the slider itself can vary slightly -- there appears to be a range of 0.003 inches in my switches. Bigger is better here:
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... So that's the problem. That's why hamfisted soldering can cause this. That's why you can see this on factory-fresh switches. That's why strict's fix works. And that's why you'll never see this on linear Zealios. :)
(I also put this on imgur so I'd have some time to write things up and try to present it all logically. Some extra photos and setup and fluff at the link: http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I )
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 31 December 2015, 05:56:05
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference.
78g, like the sound of that, bring it on 8) .
Post by: Skuloth on Thu, 31 December 2015, 10:13:37
OK -- finally have had time to put a report together. My apologies for the delays; life is kind of chaotic lately. I'll skip over some of the initial examination (tl;dr: switches are pretty clean in the short timescale) and get straight into the heart of the problem:
Here's the setup: Scope hooked up to a Teensy, probing the switch and the uC output.
(Attachment Link)
Looking just at the janky setup. Not a snowball's chance I'd do this for work, but these are slow signals with a pretty good voltage swing.
(Attachment Link)
With one keypress, we can easily see the problem: Early contact - 68ms before the main closure. That's WAY out of spec; there's a 5ms window for bounce; it is supposed to be stable after that point. Yellow trace: Switch. Green Trace: Microcontroller detection.
(Attachment Link)
Here's a different switch, showing not only an early closure (just over 70ms prior to main switch activation), it also shows a second activation after release. Mind you, these switches are unmodified, unsoldered, straight out of the shipping container. There's not a single controller that would think this is only one keypress. (Ignore the purple trace; it toggled every time through the main loop; I was curious.)
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With the stems at the lowest part of the tactile dip, you can see that the switch on the right (the good switch) is still open, while the switch on the left (the chattering switch) is CLOSED.
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This is what the switch SHOULD look like at this point -- there's a small gap, so it's still an open circuit.
(Attachment Link)
And here's what a chattering switch looks like:
(Attachment Link)
That difference is due to two things. First, the length difference between the front of the stationary contact mount and the rear of the slider guide. This accounts for up to 0.002 inches in my switches - smaller is better here:
(Attachment Link)
Secondly, the slider itself can vary slightly -- there appears to be a range of 0.003 inches in my switches. Bigger is better here:
(Attachment Link)
... So that's the problem. That's why hamfisted soldering can cause this. That's why you can see this on factory-fresh switches. That's why strict's fix works. And that's why you'll never see this on linear Zealios. :)
(I also put this on imgur so I'd have some time to write things up and try to present it all logically. Some extra photos and setup and fluff at the link: http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I )
So what do you recommend we do to resolve or avoid the issue? Opening every switch and investigating sounds extremely tedious, but if it's the only option I'd like to know.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 31 December 2015, 10:40:04
As for the <±0.005" tolerance, that's under the manufacturing spec.
I'd like to personally thank all supporters from the community that purchased Zealios directly or indirectly. Really looking forward for R2...(and R3 SoonTM) Sorry that Round 1 wasn't perfect, but without your guys' support, Zealios wouldn't have even happened! Gateron and I both desire for a 0 defect item and we truly hope we can deliver that starting next round.
Cheers to all, and have a Happy New Year everyone!
Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
I'll actually have some R1 Zealios listed on my site again. Stay tuned, it'll be updated today.
Sorry if this question was brought up before, but how do linear Zealios compare with Gateron Black?
Also I was wondering if there's going to be a sale any time soon, wanted to buy or trade for a big pack of those :)
They've got a slightly lighter and cushiony spring force all the way down, not as hard IMO past the 2mm mark. They also have a warm fuzzy tone when you look at it! :D
Post by: ideus on Thu, 31 December 2015, 13:45:56
OK -- finally have had time to put a report together. My apologies for the delays; life is kind of chaotic lately. I'll skip over some of the initial examination (tl;dr: switches are pretty clean in the short timescale) and get straight into the heart of the problem:
Here's the setup: Scope hooked up to a Teensy, probing the switch and the uC output.
(Attachment Link)
Looking just at the janky setup. Not a snowball's chance I'd do this for work, but these are slow signals with a pretty good voltage swing.
(Attachment Link)
With one keypress, we can easily see the problem: Early contact - 68ms before the main closure. That's WAY out of spec; there's a 5ms window for bounce; it is supposed to be stable after that point. Yellow trace: Switch. Green Trace: Microcontroller detection.
(Attachment Link)
Here's a different switch, showing not only an early closure (just over 70ms prior to main switch activation), it also shows a second activation after release. Mind you, these switches are unmodified, unsoldered, straight out of the shipping container. There's not a single controller that would think this is only one keypress. (Ignore the purple trace; it toggled every time through the main loop; I was curious.)
(Attachment Link)
With the stems at the lowest part of the tactile dip, you can see that the switch on the right (the good switch) is still open, while the switch on the left (the chattering switch) is CLOSED.
(Attachment Link)
This is what the switch SHOULD look like at this point -- there's a small gap, so it's still an open circuit.
(Attachment Link)
And here's what a chattering switch looks like:
(Attachment Link)
That difference is due to two things. First, the length difference between the front of the stationary contact mount and the rear of the slider guide. This accounts for up to 0.002 inches in my switches - smaller is better here:
(Attachment Link)
Secondly, the slider itself can vary slightly -- there appears to be a range of 0.003 inches in my switches. Bigger is better here:
(Attachment Link)
... So that's the problem. That's why hamfisted soldering can cause this. That's why you can see this on factory-fresh switches. That's why strict's fix works. And that's why you'll never see this on linear Zealios. :)
(I also put this on imgur so I'd have some time to write things up and try to present it all logically. Some extra photos and setup and fluff at the link: http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I (http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I) )
Nice job man; why some switches do not show any early triggering? What is the manufacturing difference between the samples you analyzed and the others that do not have any issue?
Post by: ari on Thu, 31 December 2015, 15:40:25
Nice job man; why some switches do not show any early triggering? What is the manufacturing difference between the samples you analyzed and the others that do not have any issue?I'm not entirely certain I'm answering your question, but it appears to be a combined effect resulting from miniscule (0.003in -- well below manufacturing tolerance) size differences in the stem and switch base. I couldn't tell you where those differences come from, but since it all appears to be in the plastic components, a semi-educated guess would be differing rates of post-injection shrinkage or different physical dies. I don't know enough about injection molding to give a better answer. :(
So what do you recommend we do to resolve or avoid the issue? Opening every switch and investigating sounds extremely tedious, but if it's the only option I'd like to know.Honestly? Practice good soldering technique (to avoid any issues resulting from melting the plastic) and don't worry about it unless you notice a switch chattering. If you do notice one, pop the top off and apply strict's fix -- https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1923515#msg1923515 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1923515#msg1923515)
Cheers to all, and have a Happy New Year everyone!Thank you, Zeal. I really appreciate all the work you've put into these things, and I'm truly hoping that I've been able to help. :)
Post by: wilarseny on Thu, 31 December 2015, 17:15:20
So what do you recommend we do to resolve or avoid the issue? Opening every switch and investigating sounds extremely tedious, but if it's the only option I'd like to know.Honestly? Practice good soldering technique (to avoid any issues resulting from melting the plastic) and don't worry about it unless you notice a switch chattering. If you do notice one, pop the top off and apply strict's fix -- https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1923515#msg1923515 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1923515#msg1923515)
Just to add to this, so you don't have to go through the entire thread to check - there've been a lot of us, even beginner solderers like myself, who have had no chattering switches. Just seems to be a matter of luck as to what end of the tolerances your switches end up on but the % of problem switches seems pretty low for most.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 31 December 2015, 17:28:24
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 31 December 2015, 19:23:55
@ari, that makes sense, the transparent material should have lower melting point and higher contraction coefficient than the regular translucent one, that Gateron uses in all the other switches, if they use the same molds with different contraction coefficients that may result in out of tolerance parts.
You can't use the same moulds for different plastics. I've mentioned it before -- Zealios consist of two new moulds that I had purchased and gotten made. One being the purple stem, the other being the bottom clear housing.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 31 December 2015, 19:47:51
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 31 December 2015, 20:21:21
@Zeal, I am sure you are already taking care of it, because that may indicate the need to double check the tolerances of the new molds if they were adjusted for the transparent material, as you mentioned before, you already informed your supplier about the issue.
Gateron will be adjusting the two contact leafs a tiny bit more to prevent possible chatter in future versions.
+/- 0.0508mm is unfortunately under the manufacturing tolerances of the moulds, so it's not currently possible to make any changes in that regard.
Post by: ari on Thu, 31 December 2015, 21:41:09
+/- 0.0508mm is unfortunately under the manufacturing tolerances of the moulds, so it's not currently possible to make any changes in that regard.
Yeah, no surprise there. That's a pretty small difference to hold in a mold.
Quick update -- I was able to eliminate some chatter overall by another method: Re-matching some of the chattering and non-chattering stems / lowers. I found switches with the biggest gaps and traded sliders with switches that chatter. In quite a few instances, I was able to start with a chattering switch and a non-chattering switch, and end up with two non-chattering switches.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 04 January 2016, 01:49:05
Preparing for R2. 4 different shades of purple to differentiate the weights. 65g will remain current colour, the above 3 are new shades of purple. Names? :)
Post by: WinterIsle on Mon, 04 January 2016, 02:01:34
Mid: Purple
Right: Dark Purple
Post by: exitfire401 on Mon, 04 January 2016, 02:04:25
Post by: gadzkun on Mon, 04 January 2016, 02:05:19
mid = purple 2
right = purple 3
:D
Post by: xondat on Mon, 04 January 2016, 02:39:58
Left: Light Purple
Mid: Purple
Right: Dark Purple
This :blank:
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 04 January 2016, 02:52:34
Left: Light Purple
Mid: Purple
Right: Dark Purple
This :blank:
There's 4 purples though. D: 65g will keep the current purple, the above 3 shades are "new" shades. I'm thinking of naming the darkest one indigo.
Post by: ctrlX on Mon, 04 January 2016, 03:23:09
Show Image(http://puu.sh/mj1Om/e34bad4c81.jpg)
Preparing for R2. 4 different shades of purple to differentiate the weights. 65g will remain current colour, the above 3 are new shades of purple. Names? :)
Maybe it is way too early to ask the question when the R2 Zealios will become available? Still I can't resist to ask... Reason being I am contemplating installing the R2 version instead of R1 on my Orion V2 TKL...
Post by: Zealousy on Mon, 04 January 2016, 04:25:42
Zealio Purple
Zealio Royal Purple
Urple is not a typo.
Post by: xondat on Mon, 04 January 2016, 06:27:40
Left: Light Purple
Mid: Purple
Right: Dark Purple
This :blank:
There's 4 purples though. D: 65g will keep the current purple, the above 3 shades are "new" shades. I'm thinking of naming the darkest one indigo.
How does the 65g stem compare to these then? Have I missed what weights these new shades are?
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 04 January 2016, 06:50:53
Post by: w00zie on Mon, 04 January 2016, 08:00:33
purpl
purple
purpled
Post by: diqkiq on Mon, 04 January 2016, 08:19:38
Purple
Purplos
Post by: a-c on Mon, 04 January 2016, 10:43:42
Dino
Barney
Grimace
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 04 January 2016, 10:58:57
Amethyst
Indigo
Violet
Royal or Eminence
Post by: Zustiur on Fri, 08 January 2016, 03:07:32
Purpler
Purplest
I-can't-believe-it's-not-purple
Post by: zombimuncha on Fri, 08 January 2016, 08:46:28
"Blue"
"Brown"
"Purple"
As long as it has the name Zealio in there, no-ones gonna confuse it with a Gateron or Cherry.
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Fri, 08 January 2016, 11:46:08
Post by: Bromono on Fri, 08 January 2016, 12:52:20
Purple Haze
Purple Urkle
Purple Drank
Purple People Eater
Purple Kush
Purple Lurple
Periwinkle
Mauve
iris
violet
lilac
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Sat, 09 January 2016, 10:23:48
Post by: Steezus on Sat, 09 January 2016, 10:26:09
Will the V2 zealios attempt to address the chattering issues as well as the wobblyness oobly described?
Thanks to ari's detailed reports he's provided to me over PM's, Round 2 Zealios will not have this issue. I've already forwarded his reports to Gateron, and they have said that they will address the problem by slightly adjusting the distance between the metal leaves. I'll be receiving some R2 samples in January, and will send a batch of switches to ari to confirm that there are no issues.
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sat, 09 January 2016, 10:31:32
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 09 January 2016, 12:49:12
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 09 January 2016, 12:53:32
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
What are the switch weights going to be for round 2?
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sat, 09 January 2016, 13:11:19
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
R3 possibly?
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 09 January 2016, 14:22:48
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
What are the switch weights going to be for round 2?
62g, 65g, 67g, 78g
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
R3 possibly?
Will depend on demand.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 09 January 2016, 14:27:07
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
What are the switch weights going to be for round 2?
62g, 65g, 67g, 78g
Count me in for 78g!
Post by: xondat on Sat, 09 January 2016, 14:57:37
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 09 January 2016, 15:00:07
Did I miss it somewhere but when is R2?
Tweaking the darker purples a bit before approving them for samples. Once I get them on hand and everything's A-OK, a GB will launch. By the looks of it, maybe around mid-Jan.
Post by: Waateva on Sat, 09 January 2016, 15:01:33
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
What are the switch weights going to be for round 2?
62g, 65g, 67g, 78g
Count me in for 78g!
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 09 January 2016, 15:02:23
Post by: xondat on Sat, 09 January 2016, 15:32:41
Did I miss it somewhere but when is R2?
Tweaking the darker purples a bit before approving them for samples. Once I get them on hand and everything's A-OK, a GB will launch. By the looks of it, maybe around mid-Jan.
When is shipping planned? I want to try a 67g next to a 78g before I buy 100 of them; already have everything but 78g :'(
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 10 January 2016, 12:46:04
Post by: diqkiq on Sun, 10 January 2016, 15:38:44
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 10 January 2016, 19:51:24
Did I miss it somewhere but when is R2?
Tweaking the darker purples a bit before approving them for samples. Once I get them on hand and everything's A-OK, a GB will launch. By the looks of it, maybe around mid-Jan.
When is shipping planned? I want to try a 67g next to a 78g before I buy 100 of them; already have everything but 78g :'(
Same here, anxiously waiting for the Supreme 78g's :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: .
Post by: m1kehonch0 on Sun, 10 January 2016, 20:20:49
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Post by: LeandreN on Mon, 11 January 2016, 04:49:35
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 13 January 2016, 06:51:29
This is a long shot, but I would like to test out the 65g and 67g purple tactical, I have a few spare of the 62g, so happy to either trade or I'll buy them off you.
Thank you so much in advance.
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 13 January 2016, 09:01:01
Hi all
This is a long shot, but I would like to test out the 65g and 67g purple tactical, I have a few spare of the 62g, so happy to either trade or I'll buy them off you.
Thank you so much in advance.
I had a 65g and 67g that I had bought to test out but sold them to someone for testing as well over on reddit. They may still have them, but it was a couple months ago.
Post by: sneaky0 on Wed, 13 January 2016, 13:04:02
Post by: Vozella on Wed, 13 January 2016, 14:40:30
Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Why are there no more 62g? I bought a sample pack and prefer teh 62g.
Post by: xondat on Wed, 13 January 2016, 15:08:49
Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Why are there no more 62g? I bought a sample pack and prefer teh 62g.
There are 4 variants but new stems for 62g, 67g and 78g I thought
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 13 January 2016, 15:21:05
Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Why are there no more 62g? I bought a sample pack and prefer the 62g.
I believe originally Zeal was thinking of dropping it due to lack of interest but it seems that for next round it will still be available
62g, 65g, 67g, 78g
Post by: Dog on Fri, 15 January 2016, 00:54:32
Hi all
This is a long shot, but I would like to test out the 65g and 67g purple tactical, I have a few spare of the 62g, so happy to either trade or I'll buy them off you.
Thank you so much in advance.
I have a few 65g tactiles from a failed project. If I don't have to guarantee the switches are functional on a board, I can send you a few if you pay shipping.
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 15 January 2016, 01:38:15
Post by: 64rky on Fri, 15 January 2016, 05:49:09
Hi all
This is a long shot, but I would like to test out the 65g and 67g purple tactical, I have a few spare of the 62g, so happy to either trade or I'll buy them off you.
Thank you so much in advance.
I have a few 65g tactiles from a failed project. If I don't have to guarantee the switches are functional on a board, I can send you a few if you pay shipping.
Perfect, will pm you, thank you!
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 15 January 2016, 13:37:32
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 16 January 2016, 00:27:27
so when is Round 2?
Soon, samples are still under production and testing. Just called my Gateron rep and requested them to expedite their samples.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 16 January 2016, 00:43:42
so when is Round 2?
Soon, samples are still under production and testing. Just called my Gateron rep and requested them to expedite their samples.
Q1? Q2? if not, ok. just wondering
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 16 January 2016, 00:49:53
Should be this month or the next, I think.so when is Round 2?
Soon, samples are still under production and testing. Just called my Gateron rep and requested them to expedite their samples.
Q1? Q2? if not, ok. just wondering
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 16 January 2016, 01:34:03
so when is Round 2?
Soon, samples are still under production and testing. Just called my Gateron rep and requested them to expedite their samples.
Q1? Q2? if not, ok. just wondering
Q1 for sure. It was supposed to launch mid January, but might end up happening around the end of January.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 16 January 2016, 11:01:49
I need me more switches!!!so when is Round 2?
Soon, samples are still under production and testing. Just called my Gateron rep and requested them to expedite their samples.
Q1? Q2? if not, ok. just wondering
Q1 for sure. It was supposed to launch mid January, but might end up happening around the end of January.
Post by: gadzkun on Sat, 16 January 2016, 23:45:22
and works perfectly fine in my CP-SQ without chattering..
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2iau7p0.jpg)
i really love the switch cant wait for round 2 :p
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 17 January 2016, 02:55:07
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
Post by: Zorberema on Sun, 17 January 2016, 03:26:33
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
Ooh, awesome! Certainly didn't expect this so early! :)
No Tealios though :( Do you have any information on release-date for those?
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 17 January 2016, 03:29:49
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
Ooh, awesome! Certainly didn't expect this so early! :)
No Tealios though :( Do you have any information on release-date for those?
Tealios are cancelled until further notice. If I get a huge spike of orders for R2, maybe Gateron will consider it again.
Post by: Zorberema on Sun, 17 January 2016, 03:49:48
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
Ooh, awesome! Certainly didn't expect this so early! :)
No Tealios though :( Do you have any information on release-date for those?
Tealios are cancelled until further notice. If I get a huge spike of orders for R2, maybe Gateron will consider it again.
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that! Hope they chage their minds after R2! :)
Post by: UTEster750 on Sun, 17 January 2016, 08:46:44
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
Ooh, awesome! Certainly didn't expect this so early! :)
No Tealios though :( Do you have any information on release-date for those?
Tealios are cancelled until further notice. If I get a huge spike of orders for R2, maybe Gateron will consider it again.
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that! Hope they chage their minds after R2! :)
Excited about the concept of Tealios, also excited about this fresh GB, order up people! ;D
Post by: xondat on Sun, 17 January 2016, 13:26:02
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 17 January 2016, 13:27:54
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)Ordered 100!
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
If I wanted to add more/add a few other things to my order, can I just pm you?
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 17 January 2016, 13:30:18
I don't mean to be that guy but TLDR the differences between R1 and R2?Basically, in r1 all sliders were the same colors. Now the weight will decide the slider color.
R1 also only had up to 67g, and there were linear and tactile versions. It looks like this buy will only have tactile switches, and they go up to 78g.
Also, there appears to be a 65g version with a milky bottom, which will be more heat resistant, if you're concerned about the issues that some others had when they built their boards. Imo, it isn't necessary, but I also had zero issues with the r1 zealios.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 17 January 2016, 13:30:34
I don't mean to be that guy but TLDR the differences between R1 and R2?
Slightly difference share purple for each switch weight.
65g with milky bottom housing to withstand higher soldering temperatures.
Slight changes to prevent chattering switches.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 17 January 2016, 13:31:09
Beat you to itI don't mean to be that guy but TLDR the differences between R1 and R2?
Slightly difference share purple for each switch weight.
65g with milky bottom housing to withstand higher soldering temperatures.
Slight changes to prevent chattering switches.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:17:47
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)Ordered 100!
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
If I wanted to add more/add a few other things to my order, can I just pm you?
PM / email me and I'll cancel your order so you can add more.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 17 January 2016, 16:10:14
Thanks guys for answerifor me while I slept inCool! Will do when that happens! :)R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)Ordered 100!
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
If I wanted to add more/add a few other things to my order, can I just pm you?
PM / email me and I'll cancel your order so you can add more.
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 18 January 2016, 07:02:09
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Mon, 18 January 2016, 07:49:16
Also R1 had linear switches, nicknamed Tealios due to the extremely boring non-purple colour.
Uh, pretty sure tealios were going to be the aristotle inspired aqua slider clicky switches. Considering clear =/= teal.
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 18 January 2016, 07:50:21
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 18 January 2016, 09:52:27
I might be misinformedThe linear switches were just called clear zealios.
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 18 January 2016, 16:26:40
Also R1 had linear switches, nicknamed Tealios due to the extremely boring non-purple colour.
I think Tealios were going to be the linear switches for R2 that got canceled.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 18 January 2016, 16:30:50
Also R1 had linear switches, nicknamed Tealios due to the extremely boring non-purple colour.
I think Tealios were going to be the linear switches for R2 that got canceled.
Tealios are clicky switches and have been put on the back burner for now.
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 18 January 2016, 16:31:31
Also R1 had linear switches, nicknamed Tealios due to the extremely boring non-purple colour.
I think Tealios were going to be the linear switches for R2 that got canceled.
Tealios are clicky switches and have been put on the back burner for now.
Oh, don't mind me then.
Post by: Lengradde on Mon, 18 January 2016, 22:21:27
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 18 January 2016, 22:34:55
Awesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 18 January 2016, 22:36:59
Awesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Zealios are similar to ergo-clears which are basically clears with brown springs in them.
Lengradde: If you really want you could swap the stems out of browns and put them into the Zealios.
Post by: Lengradde on Mon, 18 January 2016, 23:00:40
Awesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Zealios are similar to ergo-clears which are basically clears with brown springs in them.
Lengradde: If you really want you could swap the stems out of browns and put them into the Zealios.
Most of the grittiness of browns comes from the molding of the stem and the lack of lube. Zeal and Gateron are providing a solution for the clear/ergo-clear users (and linear in R1). I wouldn't mind some brown love though. :)
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 18 January 2016, 23:18:48
Awesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Zealios are similar to ergo-clears which are basically clears with brown springs in them.
Lengradde: If you really want you could swap the stems out of browns and put them into the Zealios.
Most of the grittiness of browns comes from the molding of the stem and the lack of lube. Zeal and Gateron are providing a solution for the clear/ergo-clear users (and linear in R1). I wouldn't mind some brown love though. :)
Well there are several options that you could do...
1. Harvest some old browns that are much smoother than newer ones.
2. Buy Linear Zealios and put weaker springs in them or even the mx brown's springs.
3. Buy current browns and lube them, you could also lube the other options for even added smoothness.
I have browns from a NIB g80-11801 and they feel quite good. I didn't anything to them other than add a clear Gateron switch top.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 19 January 2016, 00:44:19
Awesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Zealios are similar to ergo-clears which are basically clears with brown springs in them.
Lengradde: If you really want you could swap the stems out of browns and put them into the Zealios.
Most of the grittiness of browns comes from the molding of the stem and the lack of lube. Zeal and Gateron are providing a solution for the clear/ergo-clear users (and linear in R1). I wouldn't mind some brown love though. :)
Well there are several options that you could do...
1. Harvest some old browns that are much smoother than newer ones.
2. Buy Linear Zealios and put weaker springs in them or even the mx brown's springs.
3. Buy current browns and lube them, you could also lube the other options for even added smoothness.
I have browns from a NIB g80-11801 and they feel quite good. I didn't anything to them other than add a clear Gateron switch top.
Why doesn't he just buy Gateron Clears? Aren't they supposed to be similar to Browns?
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 19 January 2016, 00:57:32
MoreAwesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Zealios are similar to ergo-clears which are basically clears with brown springs in them.
Lengradde: If you really want you could swap the stems out of browns and put them into the Zealios.
Most of the grittiness of browns comes from the molding of the stem and the lack of lube. Zeal and Gateron are providing a solution for the clear/ergo-clear users (and linear in R1). I wouldn't mind some brown love though. :)
Well there are several options that you could do...
1. Harvest some old browns that are much smoother than newer ones.
2. Buy Linear Zealios and put weaker springs in them or even the mx brown's springs.
3. Buy current browns and lube them, you could also lube the other options for even added smoothness.
I have browns from a NIB g80-11801 and they feel quite good. I didn't anything to them other than add a clear Gateron switch top.
Why doesn't he just buy Gateron Clears? Aren't they supposed to be similar to Browns?
Gateron Clears are linear and lighter, there are Gateron Browns if he wanted to as well but linear zealio switches are a better version of that imo.
Post by: mastermachetier on Sun, 07 February 2016, 10:22:47
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 07 February 2016, 17:30:26
Just out of curiosity have you ever tried putting the purple stem in the Gateron Red switches? Also do you sell just the stems?
The purple stem would work in any Gateron housing. As for the purple stems, they are not sold separately.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 07 February 2016, 17:34:03
I actually have some spare stems from those switches we talked about that I messed upJust out of curiosity have you ever tried putting the purple stem in the Gateron Red switches? Also do you sell just the stems?
The purple stem would work in any Gateron housing. As for the purple stems, they are not sold separately.
Post by: mastermachetier on Sun, 07 February 2016, 18:45:48
I actually have some spare stems from those switches we talked about that I messed upJust out of curiosity have you ever tried putting the purple stem in the Gateron Red switches? Also do you sell just the stems?
The purple stem would work in any Gateron housing. As for the purple stems, they are not sold separately.
Would you be willing to send them along my way for a small fee :) I just purchased 120 red gateron switches I am to experiment with.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 07 February 2016, 19:37:33
Shoot me a pm!I actually have some spare stems from those switches we talked about that I messed upJust out of curiosity have you ever tried putting the purple stem in the Gateron Red switches? Also do you sell just the stems?
The purple stem would work in any Gateron housing. As for the purple stems, they are not sold separately.
Would you be willing to send them along my way for a small fee :) I just purchased 120 red gateron switches I am to experiment with.
Post by: ileben on Sat, 23 April 2016, 04:50:24
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The good thing is that the tactility and smoothness is everything I wished for. The 67g gives me an experience that is the closest to 55g topre I've had on a non-topre switch. The large bump fills almost entire travel distance which gives a similar experience to a topre dome compressing.
There are two problems, though, which annoy me to the point that I would actually prefer to use any other of my boards with Cherries or Topre instead. First issue is the wobbliness, which others have already mentioned. The switch stem wobbles enough to give the entire build a very cheap feel, like I'm typing on something that's going to fall apart any moment. Second issue is the bottom out, which feels every so slightly spongy and muted. I like to bottom out when I type and for me personally, the sharp clack of MX's is a part of the whole tactile experience, just like the actuation bump is and I want my bottom out to feel sturdy and solid.
I've tried several different caps on the board - SA, thick Imsto (cherry-profile) PBT, GMK thick ABS, thick OEM PBT. Due to the two issues above combined, all of these caps lose some of their quality feel when put on the Zealios board, compared to another same Filco board with Cherry switches in it. I would try a cap on Zealios for a bit in think "that's kind of alright", then put the same cap on a Cherry switch and be like "oh wow this cap is really nice". Yes, the tactile feedback and smoothness is sublime and that is irreplaceable and cannot be reproduced on any cherry switch, but the wobbliness and spongy/muted sound kind of overshadows the whole experience.
Props to Zeal for innovating and developing something new and unique, but as of right now, for me personally, the negatives outweigh the positives. I hope this development will not stop here, and I'm looking forward to potential Version 2 in the future.
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 27 April 2016, 12:02:03
Finished putting Zealios onto my Filco. The alpha rows each have different weights for comparison (bottom 62g, middle 65g, top 67g). Quick review below:
(Attachment Link)
The good thing is that the tactility and smoothness is everything I wished for. The 67g gives me an experience that is the closest to 55g topre I've had on a non-topre switch. The large bump fills almost entire travel distance which gives a similar experience to a topre dome compressing.
There are two problems, though, which annoy me to the point that I would actually prefer to use any other of my boards with Cherries or Topre instead. First issue is the wobbliness, which others have already mentioned. The switch stem wobbles enough to give the entire build a very cheap feel, like I'm typing on something that's going to fall apart any moment. Second issue is the bottom out, which feels every so slightly spongy and muted. I like to bottom out when I type and for me personally, the sharp clack of MX's is a part of the whole tactile experience, just like the actuation bump is and I want my bottom out to feel sturdy and solid.
I've tried several different caps on the board - SA, thick Imsto (cherry-profile) PBT, GMK thick ABS, thick OEM PBT. Due to the two issues above combined, all of these caps lose some of their quality feel when put on the Zealios board, compared to another same Filco board with Cherry switches in it. I would try a cap on Zealios for a bit in think "that's kind of alright", then put the same cap on a Cherry switch and be like "oh wow this cap is really nice". Yes, the tactile feedback and smoothness is sublime and that is irreplaceable and cannot be reproduced on any cherry switch, but the wobbliness and spongy/muted sound kind of overshadows the whole experience.
Props to Zeal for innovating and developing something new and unique, but as of right now, for me personally, the negatives outweigh the positives. I hope this development will not stop here, and I'm looking forward to potential Version 2 in the future.
I don't feel any wobbliness on the switches
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 27 April 2016, 12:20:16
Finished putting Zealios onto my Filco. The alpha rows each have different weights for comparison (bottom 62g, middle 65g, top 67g). Quick review below:
(Attachment Link)
The good thing is that the tactility and smoothness is everything I wished for. The 67g gives me an experience that is the closest to 55g topre I've had on a non-topre switch. The large bump fills almost entire travel distance which gives a similar experience to a topre dome compressing.
There are two problems, though, which annoy me to the point that I would actually prefer to use any other of my boards with Cherries or Topre instead. First issue is the wobbliness, which others have already mentioned. The switch stem wobbles enough to give the entire build a very cheap feel, like I'm typing on something that's going to fall apart any moment. Second issue is the bottom out, which feels every so slightly spongy and muted. I like to bottom out when I type and for me personally, the sharp clack of MX's is a part of the whole tactile experience, just like the actuation bump is and I want my bottom out to feel sturdy and solid.
I've tried several different caps on the board - SA, thick Imsto (cherry-profile) PBT, GMK thick ABS, thick OEM PBT. Due to the two issues above combined, all of these caps lose some of their quality feel when put on the Zealios board, compared to another same Filco board with Cherry switches in it. I would try a cap on Zealios for a bit in think "that's kind of alright", then put the same cap on a Cherry switch and be like "oh wow this cap is really nice". Yes, the tactile feedback and smoothness is sublime and that is irreplaceable and cannot be reproduced on any cherry switch, but the wobbliness and spongy/muted sound kind of overshadows the whole experience.
Props to Zeal for innovating and developing something new and unique, but as of right now, for me personally, the negatives outweigh the positives. I hope this development will not stop here, and I'm looking forward to potential Version 2 in the future.
I don't feel any wobbliness on the switches
I guess it's quite subjective. I have no issue with wobbliness or how the switches feel when bottoming out.