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« on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:10:38 »
Please see the order thread for the latest.

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The moogle train is rounding the bend and approaching the station folks.  I hadn't planned on doing an interest check since there is obviously enough interest to support a buy.  But there has been enough back and forth in the RGBY and R2 moogle threads that I want to see what options everyone desires and how realistic those options are.

First off, there will definitely be black, white, and Dolch sets available.  Quarzac is also planning to do a sister group buy for WYSE moogles more or less simultaneously.

So the big question that we need to discuss is what variations will be available.  Obviously we will include at least the "standard" moogle kit: 1.25x Ctrl/Alt/Win/Menu, left and right ANSI shifts, caps lock, and space bar.

A) The most obvious add-on is an ISO left shift.  This will almost certainly happen.

B) The second most obvious variation is 1.5x modifiers, though I'm not clear on why this would benefit anyone.

C) Some have been pushing for a full modifier set that includes tab, backspace, and enter as well, in order to maintain a consistent look.

D) Others have asked for an ISO adapter kit that would allow doubleshot sets harvested from ISO keyboards to be used on ANSI keyboards.  This would include enter, backslash, and maybe quote and/or others ... I'm not sure, someone familiar with ISO layouts help me out.

E) At least one person wants off-center, non-stepped caps locks

F) Other ideas?

So let's discuss.  What do you want to see offered and why, and how many would you buy assuming reasonable prices?


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Below are pricing breakdowns from Melissa for the ideas that have been kicking around in the thread.

Bear in mind that these are just the raw production costs.  The final pricing will have other fixed costs factored in (legend fees, shipping from SP, supplies, etc.).  I'm posting these breakdowns as a sanity check against sets that are not likely to succeed, and to give a feel for what kind of cost decreases we are likely to get as we gather orders.

Also bear in mind that I'm not sure yet what will be offered in the final buy.  My current feelings are that the base kit will happen as it is shown below.  Stepped caps lock, blank mods, ISO left shift, and extra space bars will likely be for sale individually rather than as kits.   1.5x Caps Lock will probably be dropped from the Anti-Caps kit as there doesn't seem to be much demand for it.  The ISO Adapter and Full Modifier kits are dependent on new SVGs.  If those don't pan out, they won't happen.

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qty
|Base Kit - 2 Ctrl, 2 Alt, 2 Win, left Shift (ANSI), right Shift, Menu, Caps Lock, Universal space bar
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|25
|$25.62
|-
|50
|$17.47
|-
|75
|$14.75
|-
|100
|$13.39
|-
|150
|$12.03
|-
|200
|$11.35[/table]

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qty
|Base Kit++ - Base Kit, 2 blank modifiers, stepped Caps Lock
|Delta from regular Base Kit
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|25
|$33.77
| +$8.15
|-
|50
|$23
| +$5.53
|-
|75
|$19.30
| +$4.55
|-
|100
|$17.28
| +$3.89
|-
|150
|$15.43
| +$3.40
|-
|200
|$14.47
| +$3.12[/table]

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|qty
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Anti-Caps - 1.75x Ctrl, 1.25x Caps Lock, 1.5x Caps Lock
|ISO Adapter - Enter, Backslash/Pipe
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|25
|$14.59
|$9.58
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|50
|$8.71
|$5.66
|-
|75
|$6.75
|$4.36
|-
|100
|$5.77
|$3.70
|-
|150
|$4.78
|$3.04
|-
|200
|$4.30
|$2.72[/table]

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qty
|Full Modifier Adapter Kit - Tab, Enter, Backspace
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|25
|$14.85
|-
|50
|$8.97
|-
|75
|$7.01
|-
|100
|$6.03
|-
|150
|$5.04
|-
|200
|$4.56[/table]

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|ISO left Shift
|Blank modifier
|Universal space bar
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|25
|$1.31
|$2.43
|$3.65
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|50
|$1.03
|$1.45
|$2.56
|-
|75
|$0.94
|$1.12
|$2.20
|-
|100
|$0.89
|$0.96
|$2.02
|-
|150
|$0.89
|$0.79
|$1.84
|-
|200
|$0.82
|$0.71
|$1.75[/table]
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« Reply #1 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:13:00 »
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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:13:59 »
I like the concept of a extra-moogley kit but I would love it more if it had a stepped and regular caps for variety. I will come up with more demands when I get off thiis damn phone.
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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:14:38 »
A. Doesn't ISO left shift work on normal Cherry ISO boards?
B. 1.5x modifiers? They normally all come with 1.5x modifiers why do we want SP's version?
C. I'm still for the full modifier set for the sake of consistency, if cost is a issue throw this idea out then.
D. you need back slash, enter and shift. I'm on the fence on this one, if there's interest sure, but the fact that normal ANSI Cherry DS isn't exactly rare so I don't see a point to this except for the 2-3 people that ran into this.
E. Yeah... About that...

F. A caps lock <-> control swap 2 keys kit!
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« Reply #4 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:15:41 »
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E) At least one person wants off-center, non-stepped caps locks.

I would like to see just the opposite, center, stepped Caps Lock.  Also I'd probably get at least 3 set (one of each).
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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:16:23 »
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I would like to see just the opposite, center, stepped Caps Lock.  Also I'd probably get at least 3 set (one of each).

Don't you have a bunch of these?
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« Reply #6 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:17:01 »
Centre stepped caps is a much better idea then off-centre flat caps, I'm just saying
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« Reply #7 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:18:19 »
I'm ok with just the standard set.  As tsangbro said, if there's interest for the consistency set, I'm down also.

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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:19:25 »
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I'm ok with just the standard set.  As tsangbro said, if there's interest for the consistency set, I'm down also.

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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:20:46 »
black on white.
white on black
and wyse!!

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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:22:49 »
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black on white.
white on black
and wyse!!
Erm you're forgetting Dolch

I believe WYSE is a seperate GB
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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:24:08 »
the problem with wyse is that some of us need more than the usual keycaps.

i dont have a backspace, |\, and some other keycaps

i got a stupid terminal board -.-
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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:26:09 »
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Centre stepped caps is a much better idea then off-centre flat caps, I'm just saying

I do wonder how well the center stepped caps would work unless you are talking about one of these


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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:26:27 »
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A. Doesn't ISO left shift work on normal Cherry ISO boards?

Ah, yeah I imagine so.  I guess I still have RGBY on the brain.  Although some will probably want them so they match the SP right shift.  I assume that ISO POS keyboards have short right shifts like ANSI ones do.

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B. 1.5x modifiers? They normally all come with 1.5x modifiers why do we want SP's version?

Yup, I don't understand the point either, unless you are harvesting keys from an off-center Cherry board and putting them on a 1.5x center-stemmed board.  Doesn't seem incredibly likely to me.

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D. you need back slash, enter and shift. I'm on the fence on this one, if there's interest sure, but the fact that normal ANSI Cherry DS isn't exactly rare so I don't see a point to this except for the 2-3 people that ran into this.

I think the main motivation is for white sets, which are more common in ISO land.

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E. Yeah... About that...

Yeah ... I don't see this happening either.

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« Reply #14 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:29:16 »
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I do wonder how well the center stepped caps would work unless you are talking about one of these

More like this?

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« Reply #15 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:29:40 »
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the problem with wyse is that some of us need more than the usual keycaps.

i dont have a backspace, |\, and some other keycaps

i got a stupid terminal board -.-

Feel free to hash out what we need/want for the WYSE sets here too.  Can you list all the WYSE keys that doesn't work on regular keyboards?

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« Reply #16 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:30:50 »
Well I don't know if this matters but my 1.25x set haad non doubleshot mods so maybe people want to replace those but on the 1.5x end?
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« Reply #17 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:33:19 »
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Feel free to hash out what we need/want for the WYSE sets here too.  Can you list all the WYSE keys that doesn't work on regular keyboards?


yeah, i'll get on it tomorrow after i meet up with reaper. i know the terminal boards have a couple non regular keycaps compared to the wyse boards with ps/2 connectors.
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« Reply #18 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:39:40 »
WYSE would need 1.25x and 1.5x modifiers, but I doubt there will be a lot of interest for the 1.5x ones.

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« Reply #19 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:52:25 »
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WYSE would need 1.25x and 1.5x modifiers, but I doubt there will be a lot of interest for the 1.5x ones.

Can you elaborate?  Why would we need a 1.5x WYSE kit?

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« Reply #20 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:53:33 »
I like the idea of additional keys to convert an iso set to ansi. Seems like every time I see a nice cherry board on DT or ebay its iso.

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« Reply #21 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 01:59:07 »
I'm in for white on black, black on white - probably 2 sets of each.

An ISO->ANSI kit would be cool too (rshift, enter and \) to allow more scavenging of ISO layouts but toss the idea if there aren't enough people interested. I'd probably buy two white on black ISO->ANSI kits.

WYSE too, but you don't care about those ;)
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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:00:32 »
I threw up a thread for the WYSE kits, since I figure I would need it eventually. Further information regarding that buy would be better utilized within that thread. Thanks!
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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:03:02 »
Well spacebar will be awesome, atleast as addon.

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:05:25 »
I think spacebar is standard.

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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:07:10 »
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Well spacebar will be awesome, atleast as addon.

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I think spacebar is standard.

Yep, space bar will be included in the base kits.

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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:20:31 »
i am in too.

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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:26:45 »
I like the idea of option C, would be keen for a couple of sets.
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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:29:51 »
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WYSE would need 1.25x and 1.5x modifiers, but I doubt there will be a lot of interest for the 1.5x ones.

Quote from: hashbaz;526469
Can you elaborate?  Why would we need a 1.5x WYSE kit?

1.5x modifers for Wyse would be cool if you want to put Wyse on older Cherry G80 keyboards.  Both would best work with Phantom and the next batch of custom keyboards.  Since PrinsValium pioneered the multi-layout PCB design, I'd imagine Phantom V2 and other custom keyboards we will build in the future will also support both 1.25x and 1.5x modifiers.

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:32:43 »
As I stated before, I'd like to see a textless "handbag" caps lock instead of the text only one from Moogle Kit 2.

I was also wondering if we could get a matching PBT spacebar from a non-SP source, like Vortex (SP ABS spacebar is not that great).

ISO left shift is not strictly necessary: they do come with standard Cherry set. The matter is, their arrows is not centered horizontaly like in the Moogle kit, so it would be a better match to have a ISO left shift done like the one from RGBY kit.

Oh, and a 1.25 "diamond" key for non-windows users may be a nice and cheap option.
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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:35:43 »
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I was also wondering if we could get a matching PBT spacebar from a non-SP source, like Vortex (SP ABS spacebar is not that great).

In the absence of PBT spacebars, it would be great if extra spacebars could be ordered separately so people can have backups after the first one gets shiny :-)

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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:52:39 »
I've been using the Moogle Kit 2 since I got it. The modifiers still look fine, but the spacebar is already starting to shine a little... :(

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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 02:53:33 »
Want to throw in another vote for a anti capslock control.

And show my support for this.
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In the absence of PBT spacebars, it would be great if extra spacebars could be ordered separately so people can have backups after the first one gets shiny :-)

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« Reply #33 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 03:08:54 »
I will add my support for the anti-capslock team.

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« Reply #34 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 03:50:48 »
Expecting the price of ISO sets to go up if this kit comes off :P.

In for at least one of each :)
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« Reply #35 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 04:02:43 »
Another vote here for separate space bars.

I also like the idea of extra keys for ISO -> ANSI; it seems there are a lot of us hungry for cherry doubleshots and that would expand our donor pool significantly.

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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 04:28:39 »
Do 1,25 modifiers with win key exist as double shots on cherry keyboards, beeing just really rare, or don't they exist at all?

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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 04:30:57 »
I believe original win keys are all pad-printed, aren't they?

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« Reply #38 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 06:29:26 »
+1 support for "Control" rather than "caps lock"

And I'd like to float the idea of OSX modifiers in the Cherry style.

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« Reply #39 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 06:45:27 »
Are we going to have windows logo or use something desktop agnostic like a diamond?

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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 07:03:51 »
a) b) c) +1
1.75 shift +1

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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 09:10:38 »
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+1 support for "Control" rather than "caps lock"

And I'd like to float the idea of OSX modifiers in the Cherry style.

I support both of these ideas.

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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 09:44:41 »
Yes a Command key would be nice.

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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 09:46:35 »
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Are we going to have windows logo or use something desktop agnostic like a diamond?

Imo it looks more original with a windows logo. Since that is what we are going for here, transparency.

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« Reply #44 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 10:24:42 »
It can be original and transparent all the way up to the windows logo. ;)

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« Reply #45 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 10:28:32 »
I think option D will have too many additional keys to include in this buy and is better done in its own group buy.

I like option A B C

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« Reply #46 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 10:47:57 »
From what it looks like

We're going to have 3 standard sets:

BASE KIT Cherry Beige/Black/Dolch

2 Control 1.25x
2 Alt 1.25x
2 Win 1.25x
1 Menu 1.25x
1 Right shift 2.75x
1 Capslock 1.75x
1 Spacebar 6.25x
1 ANSI left shift 2.25x
1 ISO left shift 1.25x

For simplicity sake I suggest both shift is included in the base kit or we can have what we did in the RGBY kit where you choose what shift you want.

ANTI CAPS LOCK ADD-ON KIT Cherry Beige/Black/Dolch
1 Control 1.75x
1 Capslock 1.25x
1 Capslock 1.5x

ISO -> ANSI CONVERSION KIT Cherry Beige
BOTH REQUIRES LEGEND FEES
1 Enter 2.25x
1 Backslash 1.5x

SINGLE KEY ADD-ON Cherry Beige/Black/Dolch
1 Space bar 6.25x
1 Blank Key 1.25x (This could be in base kit as it doesn't add much to cost but don't know how many people want this)
1 Centre stem stepped capslock 1.75x (I really think this should be include this in base kit)
« Last Edit: Sun, 26 February 2012, 11:20:59 by tsangan »
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« Reply #47 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 10:54:53 »
No ISO>ANSI conversion kit?  That seems like a great idea to me for all the iso DS's out there.

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« Reply #48 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 10:55:50 »
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No ISO>ANSI conversion kit?  That seems like a great idea to me for all the iso DS's out there.

Does seem like a good idea to me as well.

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« Reply #49 on: Sun, 26 February 2012, 10:58:31 »
Thats an expensive kit for due to legends never done before for backslash and enter, but of course we can do it

Also I don't know if it's just me but a regular ANSI Cherry DS isn't exactly rare so I don't know why you would buy an ISO set

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