Author Topic: [DISCUSSION] Moogle kit round 3 (Read 64207 times)

maoiste · « **Reply #250 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 11:27:51 »

i will buy black and white most likely just to be safe :>

snoopy · « **Reply #251 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 11:29:58 »

Iso Adapter would be very nice

gimpster · « **Reply #252 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 11:38:35 »

I took some pics of the ABS colors that most closely match, although IMO there's really only 2 colors that are close: GE and GEW. I took pics from several angles and some different lighting conditions to try and show a good overall impression of the color matching.

First up is my "good" Dolch keyboard that has very little yellowing.

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For comparison, I also took pics of the same colors against a more yellowed Dolch keyboard, I think GE/GEW still match up pretty well, and really, there aren't any better options for it.

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hashbaz · « **Reply #253 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 11:45:05 »

Thanks gimpster.

lowkey · « **Reply #254 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 13:24:33 »

Well at this point I would be in for at least two base kits.

I'd still like to see an add on kit for all of the missing modifiers for consistency's sake, although I don't know how reasonable that is to expect.

pitashen · « **Reply #255 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 13:49:30 »

Will i be able to just order the control anti-capslock? or I have to have a base kit to go with it?

hashbaz · « **Reply #256 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 14:13:13 »

Quote from: lowkey;529577

Well at this point I would be in for at least two base kits.

I'd still like to see an add on kit for all of the missing modifiers for consistency's sake, although I don't know how reasonable that is to expect.

I'll have quotes for Backspace and Tab shortly.

hashbaz · « **Reply #257 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 14:15:50 »

Quote from: pitashen;529600

Will i be able to just order the control anti-capslock? or I have to have a base kit to go with it?

You'll be able to order any of the add-on kits independently, with or without base kits.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #258 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 15:20:16 »

Whoa Dolch looks nice damn you Gimpster fopr making me spend money.

Hashbaz any way we could get the current pricing in the OP. So its easier then digging it up everytime.

Reptile · « **Reply #259 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 15:29:16 »

So pumped that I have a dolch board on the way

pitashen · « **Reply #260 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 15:49:04 »

Quote from: lightsout714;529665

Whoa Dolch looks nice damn you Gimpster fopr making me spend money.

Hashbaz any way we could get the current pricing in the OP. So its easier then digging it up everytime.

there willl be an official price listing in the order thread, which will be a better estimat coz all the other fees will be taken into account by then.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #261 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 16:12:51 »

Quote from: pitashen;529688

there willl be an official price listing in the order thread, which will be a better estimat coz all the other fees will be taken into account by then.

I understand. I just keep going back to it to look at what's in what and all that. No big deal I know what page its on.

gimpster · « **Reply #262 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 16:27:28 »

Quote from: lightsout714;529665

Whoa Dolch looks nice damn you Gimpster fopr making me spend money.

Always happy to help.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #263 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 16:56:30 »

Quote from: gimpster;529710

Always happy to help.

Seems the caps are quite a bit harder to find though. And pricey. Hopefully that will slow me down.

hashbaz · « **Reply #264 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 17:04:33 »

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|Full Modifier Adapter Kit - Tab, Enter, Backspace
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|25
|$14.85
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|50
|$8.97
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|75
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|100
|$6.03
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|150
|$5.04
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|200
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tsangan · « **Reply #265 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 17:11:55 »

+$35 each for legend fee for each key

APPROXIMATE
Exactly 25 sets - $19.85/set
Exactly 50 sets - $11.07/set

Not that bad but because of the 3 colours available it will be hard to hit a good number, black will have it the hardest

hashbaz · « **Reply #266 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 17:13:54 »

Why do you think black will be hardest? There are more black sets out there than Dolch + white, by far.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #267 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 17:21:17 »

So are all the kits you posted with price quotes a go? Or are we still gauging interest. I guess the real question is, is there a minimum order for the smaller kits?

tsangan · « **Reply #268 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 17:28:37 »

Quote from: hashbaz;529765

Why do you think black will be hardest? There are more black sets out there than Dolch + white, by far.

Black sets are more common compared to beige and dolch, also black sets with doubleshots that is fully compatible is out there, compared to Dolch which doesn't exist and I believe beige is hard to find.

For example, a Cherry black set used one that clicky and quarzac were doing GB for were $25, then you have Moogle Kit which I'll be generous and say there will be 50 orders $17.47/set without fees/legends/shipping then a Full Modifier Adapter Kit @ 25 sets is 19.85/set without fees/shipping

which comes to $62.32, I will round off the shipping/fees and what not so the total should be around $70

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item1c243174cc&item=120866305228&nma=true&pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&rt=nc&si=nciRyr5aE4iX1b3dbieoUEte%252BY4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc#ht_500wt_713 was recently posted and I showed it to some people that were looking for these to get, as it was $35 for a used set which the seller was willing to accept $25 + $10shipping but you get a full on compatible black DS set for half the price. Insead of a half Cherry half SP set.

So if you were to just get the moogle kit price wise it's reasonable but with the Full Modifier Adapter Kit not so much, but once again this is just for the black DS set. Beige and Dolch on the other hand this isn't possible that's why those will be far more popular

hashbaz · « **Reply #269 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 18:30:59 »

Quote from: lightsout714;529778

So are all the kits you posted with price quotes a go? Or are we still gauging interest. I guess the real question is, is there a minimum order for the smaller kits?

I'm not sure. The main issue is doing the SVGs. Ideally I'd like to have them in hand before I start taking orders, but it makes sense to know which of them are getting cut before spending time on the SVGs.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #270 on:** Tue, 28 February 2012, 18:40:34 »

I understand. I'll sit back at let you guys figure that out. Count me in for 1x ISO adapter if it goes through.

i3oilermaker · « **Reply #271 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 09:27:08 »

Did we determine if the center stemmed stepped capslock key is a possibility? If it is I am totally down for this GB

hashbaz · « **Reply #272 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 09:54:59 »

Quote from: i3oilermaker;530736

Did we determine if the center stemmed stepped capslock key is a possibility? If it is I am totally down for this GB

Yeah, that's no problem. It was the off-cetner flat caps lock that was an issue.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #273 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 10:32:08 »

Quote from: hashbaz;530762

Yeah, that's no problem. It was the off-cetner flat caps lock that was an issue.

Center stemmed stepped isn't a problem? I didn't think sp made those.

dfxdx · « **Reply #274 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 11:17:37 »

If they make them then great. Saves me having to mod my own.

hashbaz · « **Reply #275 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:56:36 »

Quote from: lightsout714;530815

Center stemmed stepped isn't a problem? I didn't think sp made those.

Yes, they do center-mount stepped, center-mount flat, and off-center stepped. Off-center flat is the only combo they don't have a mold for.

tsangan · « **Reply #276 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:57:31 »

Quote from: hashbaz;530961

Off-center flat is the only combo they don't have a mold for.

I wonder why? :whistle:

i3oilermaker · « **Reply #277 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 12:59:30 »

Quote from: hashbaz;530961

Yes, they do center-mount stepped, center-mount flat, and off-center stepped. Off-center flat is the only combo they don't have a mold for.

Now I am really pumped for this GB lets get it moving!

fossala · « **Reply #278 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:09:24 »

I would definitely want the Full Modifier Adapter

hashbaz · « **Reply #279 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:41:49 »

Anyone have opinions on Base Kit vs. Base Kit++ (see post 227) ?

How important to you are stepped caps lock and blank modifiers? (to use in place of the Win keys)

Wraul · « **Reply #280 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:49:33 »

Quote from: hashbaz;529003

We could offer just the 1.75x Ctrl instead of a full swap kit maybe:

Just wanted to show my support for this.

tsangan · « **Reply #281 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 13:51:56 »

I like the centre stem stepped caps but have no use for the blank modifiers, but if that's the only way centre stem stepped caps is offered I would get that kit

I find it odd looking to have everything to be OEM like but then throw in 2 blanks because you don't like the win key, but that's how Cherry makes it and isn't it the point to match Cherry key for key?

hashbaz · « **Reply #282 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 14:10:09 »

Quote from: tsangan;531046

I find it odd looking to have everything to be OEM like but then throw in 2 blanks because you don't like the win key, but that's how Cherry makes it and isn't it the point to match Cherry key for key?

This is my perspective. ^^

What if we replaced the flat caps lock in the base kit with a stepped caps? Love/hate?

fossala · « **Reply #283 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 14:12:11 »

I would prefer stepped.

tsangan · « **Reply #284 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 14:14:42 »

Quote from: hashbaz;531063

This is my perspective. ^^

What if we replaced the flat caps lock in the base kit with a stepped caps? Love/hate?

I know some people prefer flat, so I don't know about outright replacing it

you'll get hate/love responses I think

Reptile · « **Reply #285 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 14:25:53 »

stepped>flat

maoiste · « **Reply #286 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 14:35:15 »

i would not replace it flatout with stepped ;>

pitashen · « **Reply #287 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 14:39:39 »

does anyone have experiences with the center stem stepped caps lock? If cherry step caps lock to be center stemmed, would the key bottom out properly like the other keys?

tsangan · « **Reply #288 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 14:43:36 »

Quote from: pitashen;531110

does anyone have experiences with the center stem stepped caps lock? If cherry step caps lock to be center stemmed, would it the key bottom out properly like the other keys?

Yes it will be fine, unless SP screws up.

You get the same result from modding a off-centre stepped to centre-stem from OEM Cherry keycaps.

biochem · « **Reply #289 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 15:29:39 »

Quote from: hashbaz;531063

What if we replaced the flat caps lock in the base kit with a stepped caps? Love/hate?

I want the flat caps lock. Not interested in the stepped caps lock.

pitashen · « **Reply #290 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 17:11:02 »

OMG, the WYSE moogle is getting ahead of us.

tsangan · « **Reply #291 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 17:11:49 »

Quote from: pitashen;531234

OMG, the WYSE moogle is getting ahead of us.

That one's a lot easier come on, no custom legends required

pitashen · « **Reply #292 on:** Wed, 29 February 2012, 17:22:07 »

Quote from: tsangan;531235

That one's a lot easier come on, no custom legends required

true.

gimpster · « **Reply #293 on:** Thu, 01 March 2012, 09:31:53 »

Quote from: hashbaz;531030

Anyone have opinions on Base Kit vs. Base Kit++ (see post 227) ?

How important to you are stepped caps lock and blank modifiers? (to use in place of the Win keys)

Personally, I think Base Kit++ should be the base kit. It'll help drive down prices for a lot of people and it's not that big of a price jump, one that gets smaller very quickly.

i3oilermaker · « **Reply #294 on:** Thu, 01 March 2012, 09:44:50 »

If there is a center stem stepped caps lock "add-on" or stand alone key - I would take 5

jellowiggler · « **Reply #295 on:** Thu, 01 March 2012, 10:04:45 »

I know there is too much talk about spec'ing the keys and not enough movement on ordering, but I think a center stem stepped caps would be cool. Because there aren't any out there without manually modifying.
As this is a moogle kit I think the totally retro look stepped key is better than a flat. It completes the look, and you don't have to make a jig, hack up a key, glue a stem in, file it down to correct stem length, etc.

I don't care for the blank modifiers. We will have the colour code used for the keys. People can just get them from the SP stock list.

But it really doesn't matter. I'll order either way.

hashbaz · « **Reply #296 on:** Thu, 01 March 2012, 11:50:39 »

We are waiting on SVGs at the moment, so there's plenty of time to discuss the kits. As soon as I have the SVGs in hand I'll start the order thread.

There's also the option of two variations of the base kit, one for stepped and one for flat caps lock. Possibly also for ISO/ANSI, yielding 12 base kit combinations:

BASEKIT-{STEP,FLAT}-{ISO,ANSI}-{BLACK,WHITE,DOLCH}

That complicates pricing for me, but makes ordering easy.

I don't think the blank modifiers belong in the base kit though, and possibly not in the buy at all if you can buy them direct from SP.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #297 on:** Thu, 01 March 2012, 12:02:11 »

Oh so someone is doing svgs? Excellent. Hoping for a full mod kit option.

agor · « **Reply #298 on:** Thu, 01 March 2012, 14:15:26 »

Hope the stepped Caps is also an extra for ordering some more

jellowiggler · « **Reply #299 on:** Thu, 01 March 2012, 15:13:21 »

Just remember, don't over option this thing. Keep it simple, we will live.

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Author Topic: [DISCUSSION] Moogle kit round 3 (Read 64207 times)

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