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Title: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 13 February 2014, 20:36:07
- Material
- 14 gauge/.078" CP4 grade (aerospace grade) titanium provided by mkawa (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=5606)


- Cut method
   - Laser cut


- Layout
- Any layout
   - Huge thanks to jdcarpe (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17386) for helping with the plate files


- Price
   - $75 per plate


- Shipping
- Priority - CONUS - $9
- First Class - International - $18
- Shipped with a 1/4" hardboard backer (more than likely, but it might depend)


- Check here, list is in order of who gets in first (green names)
- http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52970.0
- There are 7-8 spots, the people in green get priority
- Post here, I'll contact you via PM. The green people above get 48 hours to reply to this thread


- Payment
- Via Paypay
- Option to add a $5 donation to Geekhack
- Post here, I'll PM you about payment info as well as plate layout
- Payment will be taken ASAP so mkawa can pick up the sheet and get it to my laser cutter
- Since my laser guy hasn't cut titanium, I'm not 100% sure how they will turn out. Therefore, if they don't come out, I will not be refunding anything. I have full confidence in my laser guy, but if they don't come out, they don't come out.
 - Enter this Gb at your own discretion. I also reserve the right to deny entry/sale
- If you have any concerns, ask them BEFORE giving payment!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium plates
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 13 February 2014, 20:37:26
In:
 - The_Beast - Paid
 - ANSI150
(http://i.imgur.com/lPhTrLv.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/3WXXLiD.jpg)


 - jdcarpe - Paid
 - danielucf plate
(http://i.imgur.com/11gvhnr.png)


 - riotonthebay - Paid
 - danielucf plate
(http://i.imgur.com/11gvhnr.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/yb5Fdq9.jpg)


 - fart_toast - Paid
 - ISO 1.25X plate with cherry plate mount stabs support"  ( if ISO 1.25X means the same as ISO poker 2 plate)
(http://i.imgur.com/JNcXitB.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/BUHQrr7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/2t8wMGt.jpg)


 - Latin00032 - Paid
 - ANSI 1.5x mods with short right-shift and with caps lock that can be off center.
(http://i.imgur.com/Vb4i1Ba.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/L0Qm8KI.jpg)


 - joneslee85 - Paid
 - ANSI 1.5x mods with short R-Shift
(http://i.imgur.com/Vb4i1Ba.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/L0Qm8KI.jpg)


 - heedpantsnow - Paid
 - Poker layout
(http://i.imgur.com/R8WMZvi.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/NdH6I4v.jpg)


 - danielucf - Paid
 - 1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 1 1.5 bottom layer, 1800 shift with extra key to the right of it, and universal backspace where I can put one 2x key or two 1x keys, plus a caps lock that can be center or off-center.
(http://i.imgur.com/11gvhnr.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/yb5Fdq9.jpg)




Green = in, orange = on deck since my laser guy will get 8 OR 9 out of kawas plate (or if anyone drops out). I'll take payment soon so kawa can get this shipped to the cutter (I'll take payment for the plate, then once it's closer to shipping, the cost of shipping + tools if you want them). It will be cut and everything shipped to me for sorting and tool making. Plate orders get dibs on tools. Cost of shipping to me will be divided amongst everyone in the plate buy.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 13 February 2014, 20:41:26
I'm in.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium plates
Post by: Nojo on Thu, 13 February 2014, 20:53:11
Not in the list, but would love a TKL plate if that's possible.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 13 February 2014, 20:54:02
Not in the list, but would love a TKL plate if that's possible.

At this time, 60% only


Also, switch tools will be in a different thread, don't ask for them here....
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: YongJK on Thu, 13 February 2014, 21:00:19
I am in for 1. Thanks.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 13 February 2014, 21:47:20
Just wondering, is a FC660C layout possible, and would there be compatibility issues with Topre boards?

Not sure if serious or trolling.

Seriously trolling. 

I'm not in for this (I'd get a 40% if it were an option), but I hope this turns out for all those who are involved!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 13 February 2014, 22:02:03
I can send the 40% plate design, if The_Beast wants to allow it, but it doesn't seem hopeful. :)
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 13 February 2014, 22:05:09
I can send the 40% plate design, if The_Beast wants to allow it, but it doesn't seem hopeful. :)

Right now, 60% only unless the 40% can fit.


Ie, the laser guy says we can only get 8 60% plates in, a 40% should fit and keep the current amount of tools on the plate.... HoffmanMyster gets first dibs IF it works out like that
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 13 February 2014, 22:05:16
I'd consider buying a HHKB plate for a GH60 but I wasn't on the list.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 13 February 2014, 23:01:01
I'm in
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: n0rvig on Thu, 13 February 2014, 23:13:30
Yup, still interested.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: joneslee85 on Fri, 14 February 2014, 01:56:38
Yes, I'm in.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: JayKthnx on Fri, 14 February 2014, 03:57:30
Would like a gh60 universal ANSI plate
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 14 February 2014, 07:28:28
I really need a Ti plate to go with all my Ti keys. I need to think about the layout though

Edit: Universal plate with 1800 shift and 1x key to the right also with ability to do winkey or winkeyless (1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 1 1.5 layout most important), center or stepped caps, and 2x backspace or two 1x .
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 14 February 2014, 08:30:31
Is there any reason I should get a Poker plate over a universal plate?
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 14 February 2014, 08:46:47
Is there any reason I should get a Poker plate over a universal plate?

What layout are you looking to make? That's what will determine what plate layout you'd like.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: BunnyLake on Fri, 14 February 2014, 09:01:11
in if there is a space
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 14 February 2014, 10:26:54
Is there any reason I should get a Poker plate over a universal plate?

What layout are you looking to make? That's what will determine what plate layout you'd like.

Sorry, what I meant to ask was this:
I want to use Poker layout.  Is there any downside to using a universal ansi plate for poker layout?
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 14 February 2014, 10:41:12
Is there any reason I should get a Poker plate over a universal plate?

What layout are you looking to make? That's what will determine what plate layout you'd like.

Sorry, what I meant to ask was this:
I want to use Poker layout.  Is there any downside to using a universal ansi plate for poker layout?

You MUST use Cherry PCB-mount stabilizers, and CANNOT use plate-mount stabilizers of either the Cherry or Costar variety.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: kod on Fri, 14 February 2014, 10:57:20
Does this mean the switch tools mentioned in the interest check thread are a no-go?
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 14 February 2014, 11:09:28
I'd like one. A HHKJD, I think. Can't remember anymore. I'll figure it out if I'm in.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 14 February 2014, 12:36:41
Is there any reason I should get a Poker plate over a universal plate?

What layout are you looking to make? That's what will determine what plate layout you'd like.

Sorry, what I meant to ask was this:
I want to use Poker layout.  Is there any downside to using a universal ansi plate for poker layout?

You MUST use Cherry PCB-mount stabilizers, and CANNOT use plate-mount stabilizers of either the Cherry or Costar variety.

I can live with that.  Is that the only drawback?
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 14 February 2014, 13:46:57
OK I'm going to keep my order for Poker layout plate.  Thanks to CPTBadAss for clarifying everything to me in another thread!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 14 February 2014, 14:10:27
6 of 9 plate spots taken by people interested in the IC
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 14 February 2014, 14:52:49
6 of 9 plate spots taken by people interested in the IC

My pants are tight. I need some GH60 PCB lovin.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 14 February 2014, 14:57:20
6 of 9 plate spots taken by people interested in the IC

My pants are tight. I need some GH60 PCB lovin.

I need it for my ti build

Ti mods and plate in a ti colored hammer case. GH60 rev A w/ 55g kirkle clears
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 14 February 2014, 14:58:03
Can I buy just the Kirkle Clears?
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 14 February 2014, 15:05:35
Does this mean the switch tools mentioned in the interest check thread are a no-go?
switch tools will be a different thread, but there will switch tools. many many switch tools.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 14 February 2014, 15:25:48
The_Beast and I are going for highest valued 60% keyboard :p
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 14 February 2014, 15:48:19
The_Beast and I are going for highest valued 60% keyboard :p

*Fills number row with clacks*

:D
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: AKmalamute on Fri, 14 February 2014, 17:29:24
I'm still talking this over with the missus. But I probably have to bow out.

If I don't ... I'm about a third done with making an ALPS WKL/1.75_R_shift. Except I don't totally know what I'm doing. Anyone want to clear up my .svgz file in case I can actually get one of these?
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Tarzan on Sat, 15 February 2014, 15:42:16
I'm in.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Sat, 15 February 2014, 18:20:26
Around 2 more hours for people who were interested in the IC get first dibs. After that, it's down to people in this thread (which more than likely means it will be closed)


I'll try to do invoicing for the plates tomorrow
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 15 February 2014, 21:30:17
I'm in.

I was on the list.

I think I'm late.

Darn!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Sun, 16 February 2014, 05:19:39
Am I still on for the first sheet? Last time I checked this was on hold
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Sun, 16 February 2014, 05:22:17
And yes was in first 9 of interest check, I was looking in group buys for this thread and only just saw the post in the interest check thread that it was over here in class fields. Still in for ISO poker 2 plate
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 18 February 2014, 00:33:41
Check the post here to see how made it in (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54757.msg1227012#msg1227012)
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Tue, 18 February 2014, 02:25:43
ah no!, any idea how long until second round? Was watching this for weeks since the start of the interest check. Keyboard remains in pieces :(.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Tue, 18 February 2014, 02:27:08
If it turns out that 9 can be fitted on the first sheet rather than 8 just drop me a PM :)
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 18 February 2014, 04:55:53
I'm in.

Cool!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Tarzan on Tue, 18 February 2014, 11:22:38
ah no!, any idea how long until second round? Was watching this for weeks since the start of the interest check. Keyboard remains in pieces :(.

You can take over my slot.  The_Beast, please move me down to the second tier. 

I've already got stainless steel Poker plates, and since this would be for the GH60 anyway, I'm in no rush.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 18 February 2014, 12:13:41
ah no!, any idea how long until second round? Was watching this for weeks since the start of the interest check. Keyboard remains in pieces :(.

You can take over my slot.  The_Beast, please move me down to the second tier. 

I've already got stainless steel Poker plates, and since this would be for the GH60 anyway, I'm in no rush.

Done.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Tue, 18 February 2014, 14:50:50
Ah thank you so much! @Beast Pm me with info you need for invoice when you have time :)
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Fri, 21 February 2014, 13:30:11
Am I missing an invoice or have they just not been done yet? :)
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Fri, 21 February 2014, 14:42:30
Am I missing an invoice or have they just not been done yet? :)

I've not been contacted or invoiced yet; I don't think there's anything to worry about.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Fri, 21 February 2014, 14:49:44
Ok, Ty :)
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 25 February 2014, 22:35:22
Payment PM sent, sorry about the delay
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Wed, 26 February 2014, 14:32:05
paid
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: skcheng on Wed, 26 February 2014, 14:41:46
Would like a GH60 plate and to be put on the 2nd list if possible.  Thx.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 26 February 2014, 15:37:06
paid
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 26 February 2014, 15:52:48
Updated with paid list

Be sure to let me know what layout you want
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: n0rvig on Thu, 27 February 2014, 01:13:04
Looks like I just missed the cut.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 27 February 2014, 08:02:24
I'd like Poker layout please.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 27 February 2014, 08:49:09
it looks like there may be enough demand to open up more spots. talking with the beast about the possibility of grabbing more material.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 28 February 2014, 18:44:40
Updated 2nd post with latest payment/layouts
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Sat, 01 March 2014, 18:31:38
ok, we've talked about the possibility of using more material and we want to proceed slowly here. we'll run the first batch through, send the plates and tools out and see how everything goes. there _is_ more material on deck, but we're going to hold most of it back until we're pretty sure that everything will go smoothly.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 01 March 2014, 18:51:31
Is there an eta or etp (estimated time of pics!) of the first run?
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: geniekid on Sun, 02 March 2014, 15:37:05
ok, we've talked about the possibility of using more material and we want to proceed slowly here. we'll run the first batch through, send the plates and tools out and see how everything goes. there _is_ more material on deck, but we're going to hold most of it back until we're pretty sure that everything will go smoothly.

Fantastic news  :thumb:
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 03 March 2014, 10:13:31
Lets get payment in by this Wednesday! Otherwise I'll be moving on to the waiting list.....
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 03 March 2014, 19:44:03
tomorrow i have to run to edsyn, so i won't be able to grab the material. soooo wednesday is probably the earliest i can grab the material, and then i have to repack for shipment out. that should be good to go thursday, then ground shipping out to the cutters (3-4 days), then cutting and back to the_beast, then individual shipping out.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 04 March 2014, 09:27:26
Cool.  Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Tue, 04 March 2014, 10:31:07
I have had confirmed what ISO 1.25X means. Seems like it IS what I need for my ISO poker 2 plate.... i.e 1.25 mods on the bottom and a 6.25 space bar.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 04 March 2014, 12:29:33
I'll be getting images of the drawings jd sent up later today. It's up to you, the plate buyer to check them before cutting!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 05 March 2014, 08:27:53
Money sent
Pm sent with plate type.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 05 March 2014, 09:46:48
Added images to second post.

Does anyone need the hole to the right of Caps Lock for the LED? If so, I can revise the drawing(s) for you. Please let me know.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 05 March 2014, 10:13:54
Added images to second post.

Does anyone need the hole to the right of Caps Lock for the LED? If so, I can revise the drawing(s) for you. Please let me know.

Thanks! For my plate, I have the file I want :D

also updated so everyone has paid. If you could get the other 3 images up, that would be great :D
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Wed, 05 March 2014, 10:20:08
Looking at this again, could I do danielucf's plate instead of the one I specified? I'm happy giving up the option to use costar stabs on backspace for the potential to do a true HHKB layout.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 05 March 2014, 10:34:10
also updated so everyone has paid. If you could get the other 3 images up, that would be great :D

They were the same as ones I had already posted, but I copied them under their usernames just now for clarity.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Wed, 05 March 2014, 11:29:44
Added images to second post.

Does anyone need the hole to the right of Caps Lock for the LED? If so, I can revise the drawing(s) for you. Please let me know.

hi there Jdcarpe, YES, my ISO poker 2 has the LED next to (right hand side) the caps. I will be going for an ISO POKER 2 plate. So that is 6.25 spacebar and 1.25 mods. Cherry plate mount stabs as normal poker 2. If you could amend one of the drawings to do that i'd very much appreciate it :)
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Wed, 05 March 2014, 11:40:44
Added images to second post.

Does anyone need the hole to the right of Caps Lock for the LED? If so, I can revise the drawing(s) for you. Please let me know.

Also, looking at my poker 2 plate in front of me.... the cutout between the two spacebar stabs (which goes through the space bar switch) bisects the stabs on my board. Your drawings have it raised upwards slightly. My ISO poker 2 keyboard has a small LED each side of the spacebar which are OK as they just poke through the straight cut section between the stabs. Any chance of that being changed too? The cut between the stabs kind of lines up with the screw hole to the right of the spacebar section.

Hope that explains it or would a picture/photo help?
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 05 March 2014, 11:58:14
Added images to second post.

Does anyone need the hole to the right of Caps Lock for the LED? If so, I can revise the drawing(s) for you. Please let me know.

Also, looking at my poker 2 plate in front of me.... the cutout between the two spacebar stabs (which goes through the space bar switch) bisects the stabs on my board. Your drawings have it raised upwards slightly. My ISO poker 2 keyboard has a small LED each side of the spacebar which are OK as they just poke through the straight cut section between the stabs. Any chance of that being changed too? The cut between the stabs kind of lines up with the screw hole to the right of the spacebar section.

Hope that explains it or would a picture/photo help?

If you could post some photos with the caps removed, that would help me to know all the little quirks of the Poker II, as I don't have one.

Also, maybe you can post a pic of the back of the PCB, removed from the case.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Wed, 05 March 2014, 12:08:48
Hi Jdcarpe. I've done some wonderful MS Paint annotations to your initial plate drawing which i'm sure you'll enjoy xD. I'll take a pic of the plate and PCB and add those all in a PM. The keyboard is all desoldered and disassembled so there's no problem in getting those images taken within the next hour or so!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Wed, 05 March 2014, 12:35:14
PM'd
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 05 March 2014, 13:10:26
Okay, I'll make those changes and get The_Beast the new plate drawing. These plates were designed for the GH60, so the Poker 2 wasn't really factored in when I designed them.

Edit: Changes made to your plate, fart_toast. Please check the image in the 2nd post to make sure that is how you want it. Thanks!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Wed, 05 March 2014, 15:12:42
That looks fantastic! Thank you so much. "Fartplate" lives ;)
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: cultofjosh on Wed, 05 March 2014, 15:59:24
If you guys end up doing another round of these, I'm in.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: skcheng on Wed, 05 March 2014, 16:03:38
I think I'm experiencing "plate envy" !!!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 05 March 2014, 18:12:16
sorry folks. my schedule has been pushed back at least a week due to the circumstances i've written about in OT. i will be out of town starting friday, and shipping GBs tomorrow among other things. i will talk to my colleague who's holding onto it and see if he feels comfortable sending the material. if not, it will have to be taken care of when i get back. sorry folks.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Sun, 09 March 2014, 16:38:19
@JDCarpe,

could I be a pain and ask you to make my plate have the larger slot to allow for either normal and off centre caps lock? I have found a stash of PCB mount switches so I can use one for this position. Beast will need to be updated with new drawing if so.

Many Thanks
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 12 March 2014, 16:11:12
Kawa has the money and should be shipping the ti to the cutter soon. However, I doubt I'll get it back during my spring break to pick it up while I'm home....
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 12 March 2014, 16:47:36
@JDCarpe,

could I be a pain and ask you to make my plate have the larger slot to allow for either normal and off centre caps lock? I have found a stash of PCB mount switches so I can use one for this position. Beast will need to be updated with new drawing if so.

Many Thanks

This has been done, sir. New image in 2nd post.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Wed, 12 March 2014, 16:55:15
@JDCarpe,

could I be a pain and ask you to make my plate have the larger slot to allow for either normal and off centre caps lock? I have found a stash of PCB mount switches so I can use one for this position. Beast will need to be updated with new drawing if so.

Many Thanks

This has been done, sir. New image in 2nd post.

Thank you :) That's fantastic!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 14 March 2014, 20:58:10
Kawa has shipped the plate. If you have any changes, make them now! I'll be sending in plate files in on Monday. That means I might be able to get the plates cut this week and pick them up since I'm back home for spring break
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Sat, 15 March 2014, 12:34:40
Great news
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 16 March 2014, 08:04:07
Kawa has shipped the plate. If you have any changes, make them now! I'll be sending in plate files in on Monday. That means I might be able to get the plates cut this week and pick them up since I'm back home for spring break

 :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :thumb:
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 16 March 2014, 18:19:49
tracking has the sheet getting to the cutter's by EOD tuesday. i would recommend not rushing the cutter. the material is very nice, but it's really unlike any other metal i've handled before. he's going to need some time to dial things in.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 18 March 2014, 13:45:48
"Don't Rush the Cutter"
Sounds like an 80's glam metal song!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 19 March 2014, 02:08:41
Plate files sent
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:09:16
Laser guy called, he tested out the laser on the cherry tools. They're coming out great!


However, when cutting one of the plates, the sheet got bumped and that plate is messed up. HOWEVER, there is still enough on the sheet to get all 8 plates (at this moment, subject to change).
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:10:24
Laser guy called, he tested out the laser on the cherry tools. They're coming out great!


However, when cutting one of the plates, the sheet got bumped and that plate is messed up. HOWEVER, there is still enough on the sheet to get all 8 plates (at this moment, subject to change).

That's awesome news! This is a really cool project and I'm happy to be supporting it :)

Ti plates for everyone!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: strict on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:43:15
Laser guy called, he tested out the laser on the cherry tools. They're coming out great!


However, when cutting one of the plates, the sheet got bumped and that plate is messed up. HOWEVER, there is still enough on the sheet to get all 8 plates (at this moment, subject to change).

Im super excited for the titanium switch tools. Is there a rough estimate on how many sets are being produced?
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:46:31
Laser guy called, he tested out the laser on the cherry tools. They're coming out great!


However, when cutting one of the plates, the sheet got bumped and that plate is messed up. HOWEVER, there is still enough on the sheet to get all 8 plates (at this moment, subject to change).

Im super excited for the titanium switch tools. Is there a rough estimate on how many sets are being produced?

I really have no idea. The sheet is secured to the laser cutter 3" - 5" on each side, then the plates are being cut. It's being secured so that sheet doesn't shift during cutting (which happened anyways.....). Then, with that 3" - 5" on each side the tools are being cut unsecured. I'm guessing, if he nested the same way I did in a mock up, around 40 sets.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 25 March 2014, 14:46:45
What is the etiquette when working with someone in this scenario where they messed up the materials on accident or through machine error? Does it vary per company or do they give a discount or make the item again free if you send more materials?
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Tue, 25 March 2014, 14:55:12
Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 25 March 2014, 15:04:34
What is the etiquette when working with someone in this scenario where they messed up the materials on accident or through machine error? Does it vary per company or do they give a discount or make the item again free if you send more materials?

I really don't know. So far, everything he has cut has come out fine with the exception of one plate (and I've run quite a few plates). It was cut with a slight serration in the switch cutout, but it's something that a file could have fixed within 5 minutes.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 25 March 2014, 15:57:25
So the damage isn't so bad for that one plate.

Hopefully, the rest come out well.

I'm excited.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 25 March 2014, 15:59:17
So the damage isn't so bad for that one plate.

Hopefully, the rest come out well.

I'm excited.

He didn't really say. It could have been the last cut on the plate or within the first few cuts where that area could still be used for tools (if he noticed and estopped it).
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Thu, 27 March 2014, 07:31:02
So now we are playing plate-roulette :p fingers crossed the cutting machine doesnt slip any more.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 27 March 2014, 18:11:54
Got an invoice today for 8 plates and 65 tools! Should be dropped off soonish by the cutter and sent to me
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 27 March 2014, 18:18:15
Got an invoice today for 8 plates and 65 tools! Should be dropped off soonish by the cutter and sent to me

Awesome! I'm very excited :)
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 27 March 2014, 18:38:05
Sweeeettttt

ti tools mmmmmm
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Cottonsox on Thu, 27 March 2014, 18:48:39
Is there some sort of list for the tools? Put my name in the ic thread for them and undersrand people ordering plates have priority. Really interested tho for my upcomming sprit board I am building.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 27 March 2014, 22:11:20
Is there some sort of list for the tools? Put my name in the ic thread for them and undersrand people ordering plates have priority. Really interested tho for my upcomming sprit board I am building.

I'll just put up a thread, first come first serve
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: JayKthnx on Thu, 27 March 2014, 22:48:52
will you be holding onto some for those of us in another hemisphere? I'm sure your tools will sell out very quickly leaving us without a chance to get any.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Fri, 28 March 2014, 06:15:49
Got an invoice today for 8 plates and 65 tools! Should be dropped off soonish by the cutter and sent to me

WOO! Finally get my build on the go soon after its planning last summer :p
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Sat, 29 March 2014, 12:44:18
please register interest for going on deck for plates if you want one. i have another piece of material in hand and ready to send to the cutter if/when the_beast feels ready to bring in the people on deck.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: skcheng on Sat, 29 March 2014, 13:00:55
please register interest for going on deck for plates if you want one. i have another piece of material in hand and ready to send to the cutter if/when the_beast feels ready to bring in the people on deck.


I think I've already registered interest, but just in case, are we registering interest here on this thread?

I'd like to be in for 2 plates on the 2nd round.   
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: cultofjosh on Sat, 29 March 2014, 15:08:00
I am interested in being on deck for a plate as well. If there is room for any extra after everyone who wants in gets in, I'll take a 2nd.

Same question, is this the right place or should I post in the original IC thread?

Really want some switch tools too, registered in the IC thread this morning for that.

Edit: Moved position of question so it was clearer that I was asking about plates, not tools.
Title: Re: [Pre-order] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: geniekid on Sat, 29 March 2014, 16:26:03
Interest registered.  I'm really curious about how easy titanium is to paint, but will probably get 1 or 2 regardless.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: JayKthnx on Sat, 29 March 2014, 22:56:36
1 plate ANSI poker layout.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: trizkut on Sun, 30 March 2014, 03:28:36
Interested in a plate with ANSI Poker 2 layout  ;D
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 30 March 2014, 14:25:20
Interest registered.  I'm really curious about how easy titanium is to paint, but will probably get 1 or 2 regardless.
afaik it takes paint like any other metal. there's nothing really that unique about the chemistry. it's highly pure unalloyed titanium. you will need to prep it like any other metal to take primer, but once you get the primer down you're painting on the primer not the metal.

however, having seen this material ground and polished to a very high tolerance finish, it is absolutely beautiful. no other metal quite has the spectral properties that titanium does. polished, it just looks amazing. if you want to get crazy colors out of titanium, the coolest option is anodization. titanium oxide does not have uniform refractive behavior. here are some examples of the spectrum behavior you get out of anodized titanium: http://mrtitanium.com/art4sale.html

the only unfortunate thing is that you have to either anodize at home (cut nasty dangerous chemicals) or find a specialized titanium anodizer. there is one locally that i can talk to if enough people end up wanting anodization, but it's very likely going to be extremely expensive, as their process is specialized for increasing surface hardness and other properties of titanium alloys for aerospace applications. there are probably better titanium anodizers out there for hobbyist purposes.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Latin00032 on Sun, 30 March 2014, 16:26:34
That would be great to get it polished. I'd be down for that.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: skcheng on Sun, 30 March 2014, 17:46:10
Satin finished or polished would be great for me.   I love Ti!! 
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: n0rvig on Mon, 31 March 2014, 00:23:19
 :eek:
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: bkoyle on Tue, 01 April 2014, 00:55:45
Registering interest in a plate from the second batch

Bkoyle
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 01 April 2014, 07:27:35
Boom, photos!

(http://i.imgur.com/hdiHUb4.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/4LmjrGv.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/LmliXqJ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/JaDJsnu.jpg)
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: JayKthnx on Tue, 01 April 2014, 07:30:46
Beautiful. Really looking forward to my chance at getting one of these
Title: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 01 April 2014, 07:38:47
Awesome, I'm glad they came out well!

However, is there a chance that the order was placed incorrectly? I'm only seeing one of the "danielucf layout" from the OP, which I assume is JD's because it has his name carved out of it :))

In particular, it looks like only one was made with the universal backspace when Daniel, JD, and me were all signed up for the same layout.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 01 April 2014, 07:59:52
Beast can I have my tools now? :P Those pics look great though :D.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:09:16
Wow! Jdcarpe got his name on it! wow!
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:10:31
Awesome, I'm glad they came out well!

However, is there a chance that the order was placed incorrectly? I'm only seeing one of the "danielucf layout" from the OP, which I assume is JD's because it has his name carved out of it :))

In particular, it looks like only one was made with the universal backspace when Daniel, JD, and me were all signed up for the same layout.

It looks like the cutter used joneslee85 or Latin00032 which is the same as yours/Daniels but without the universal backspace.....

Thankfully, it's the same layout, just a little extra metal (which is always better than too little metal)
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:11:04
Wow! Jdcarpe got his name on it! wow!

I let Jd go crazy since he designed all the plates without any compensation (other than the name thing)
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:23:20
I think the plates are upside down.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:28:42
How hard will it be to remove the extra metal for two 1x keys compatibility? Honestly I'll probably just put a 2x backspace on it and call it a day.

They all look awesome.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:32:12
How hard will it be to remove the extra metal for two 1x keys compatibility? Honestly I'll probably just put a 2x backspace on it and call it a day.

I'm also interested in this :). I'd really love 1x compatibility, since I've basically fallen in love with the true HHKB layout.

If it's difficult to remove the extra metal cleanly, I'd personally be okay waiting for round two – I'm not in any hurry, and if this run was any indication, there's no shortage of people looking for a plate with this particular layout.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:34:06
How hard will it be to remove the extra metal for two 1x keys compatibility? Honestly I'll probably just put a 2x backspace on it and call it a day.

I'm also interested in this :). I'd really love 1x compatibility, since I've basically fallen in love with the true HHKB layout.

If it's difficult to remove the extra metal cleanly, I'd personally be okay waiting for round two – I'm not in any hurry, and if this run was any indication, there's no shortage of people looking for a plate with this particular layout.

I couldn't really say. I've never sanded/filed titanium
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:44:56
How hard will it be to remove the extra metal for two 1x keys compatibility? Honestly I'll probably just put a 2x backspace on it and call it a day.

I'm also interested in this :). I'd really love 1x compatibility, since I've basically fallen in love with the true HHKB layout.

If it's difficult to remove the extra metal cleanly, I'd personally be okay waiting for round two – I'm not in any hurry, and if this run was any indication, there's no shortage of people looking for a plate with this particular layout.

I couldn't really say. I've never sanded/filed titanium

If you have concerns about it, I'd really be fine waiting for R2 and you could just make this plate available for someone who wants this layout now. To be honest, one of the reasons I was excited for this was for the aesthetics of it (silly, I know) and I'd prefer to avoid obvious blemishes that might occur from filing :). But I have no experience with it, so you might be able to make it look awesome anyways.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 01 April 2014, 08:58:11
Looks like my plate was one that got "bumped." The switch holes in rows don't line up exactly around the F-G and V-B area. Any chance he can re-cut that plate? I don't think it will be usable. :(
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 01 April 2014, 09:03:29
Looks like my plate was one that got "bumped." The switch holes in rows don't line up exactly around the F-G and V-B area. Any chance he can re-cut that plate? I don't think it will be usable. :(

I doubt it, It's going to be even hard to secure compared to the 12" x 48" plate it was cut from.



How hard will it be to remove the extra metal for two 1x keys compatibility? Honestly I'll probably just put a 2x backspace on it and call it a day.

I'm also interested in this :). I'd really love 1x compatibility, since I've basically fallen in love with the true HHKB layout.

If it's difficult to remove the extra metal cleanly, I'd personally be okay waiting for round two – I'm not in any hurry, and if this run was any indication, there's no shortage of people looking for a plate with this particular layout.

I couldn't really say. I've never sanded/filed titanium

If you have concerns about it, I'd really be fine waiting for R2 and you could just make this plate available for someone who wants this layout now. To be honest, one of the reasons I was excited for this was for the aesthetics of it (silly, I know) and I'd prefer to avoid obvious blemishes that might occur from filing :). But I have no experience with it, so you might be able to make it look awesome anyways.

If there is an R2...

It's hard to say since I don't have plates in my hand yet
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 01 April 2014, 09:05:16
Looks like my plate was one that got "bumped." The switch holes in rows don't line up exactly around the F-G and V-B area. Any chance he can re-cut that plate? I don't think it will be usable. :(

I doubt it, It's going to be even hard to secure compared to the 12" x 48" plate it was cut from.

Actually, I meant can he re-cut the plate from blank stock. That's a manufacturing defect.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 01 April 2014, 09:08:09
Looks like my plate was one that got "bumped." The switch holes in rows don't line up exactly around the F-G and V-B area. Any chance he can re-cut that plate? I don't think it will be usable. :(

I doubt it, It's going to be even hard to secure compared to the 12" x 48" plate it was cut from.

Actually, I meant can he re-cut the plate from blank stock. That's a manufacturing defect.

What blank stock? 8 plates were nested with 3-5" each side to be used to secure the sheet during cutting of the plates. This 3-5" was then used to cut switch tools since if I lost these, it wouldn't be as important and it's not nearly as much cutting time.

So the one sheet mkawa sent has been totally used. There is no other ti sheets at the cutter right now.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 01 April 2014, 09:10:29
Looks like my plate was one that got "bumped." The switch holes in rows don't line up exactly around the F-G and V-B area. Any chance he can re-cut that plate? I don't think it will be usable. :(

I doubt it, It's going to be even hard to secure compared to the 12" x 48" plate it was cut from.

Actually, I meant can he re-cut the plate from blank stock. That's a manufacturing defect.

What blank stock? 8 plates were nested with 3-5" each side to be used to secure the sheet during cutting of the plates. This 3-5" was then used to cut switch tools since if I lost these, it wouldn't be as important and it's not nearly as much cutting time.

So the one sheet mkawa sent has been totally used. There is no other ti sheets at the cutter right now.

Okay, so I just lose my $75, due to the manufacturer screwing up when he tried to cut it...

I'm cool with waiting on more stock from mkawa, if that's what it takes, but I won't be able to use that plate at all. You shouldn't have to pay the cutter for a defective product, is what I'm saying.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 01 April 2014, 09:15:59
Looks like my plate was one that got "bumped." The switch holes in rows don't line up exactly around the F-G and V-B area. Any chance he can re-cut that plate? I don't think it will be usable. :(

I doubt it, It's going to be even hard to secure compared to the 12" x 48" plate it was cut from.

Actually, I meant can he re-cut the plate from blank stock. That's a manufacturing defect.

What blank stock? 8 plates were nested with 3-5" each side to be used to secure the sheet during cutting of the plates. This 3-5" was then used to cut switch tools since if I lost these, it wouldn't be as important and it's not nearly as much cutting time.

So the one sheet mkawa sent has been totally used. There is no other ti sheets at the cutter right now.

Okay, so I just lose my $75, due to the manufacturer screwing up when he tried to cut it...

I'm cool with waiting on more stock from mkawa, if that's what it takes, but I won't be able to use that plate at all. You shouldn't have to pay the cutter for a defective product, is what I'm saying.

Hate to pull this, but this is CLEARLY in the OP. I'm sorry you're plate didn't turn out, but the risks are clearly stated in the OP as well as in the PM I sent when collecting payment.

- Since my laser guy hasn't cut titanium, I'm not 100% sure how they will turn out. Therefore, if they don't come out, I will not be refunding anything. I have full confidence in my laser guy, but if they don't come out, they don't come out.
 - Enter this Gb at your own discretion. I also reserve the right to deny entry/sale
- If you have any concerns, ask them BEFORE giving payment!
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 01 April 2014, 09:18:06
There were risks stated in the OP, but it was heavily implied that those risks were around the cutter being able to cut Ti. He can obviously cut Ti, but mistakes were made that were fully within his control. Mkawa has also suggested that more material is available.

I don't believe anyone is suggesting that you should be fixing these out of your own pocket, but it seems like there is an opportunity to have these issues fixed…
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 01 April 2014, 09:21:16
There were risks stated in the OP, but it was heavily implied that those risks were around the cutter being able to cut Ti. He can obviously cut Ti, but mistakes were made that were fully within his control. Mkawa has also suggested that more material is available.

He typically deals with sheets 4' x 8' long weighing much more than titanium, doing a sheet this small was another risk of cutting since it's not the norm. He thought he could secure it using 3-5" each side, which could have been right or wrong. I can't say, I'm not a laser cutter.

mkawa has suggested that there is more titanium available, but it's not exactly free....
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 01 April 2014, 09:23:38
Looks like my plate was one that got "bumped." The switch holes in rows don't line up exactly around the F-G and V-B area. Any chance he can re-cut that plate? I don't think it will be usable. :(

I doubt it, It's going to be even hard to secure compared to the 12" x 48" plate it was cut from.

Actually, I meant can he re-cut the plate from blank stock. That's a manufacturing defect.

What blank stock? 8 plates were nested with 3-5" each side to be used to secure the sheet during cutting of the plates. This 3-5" was then used to cut switch tools since if I lost these, it wouldn't be as important and it's not nearly as much cutting time.

So the one sheet mkawa sent has been totally used. There is no other ti sheets at the cutter right now.

Okay, so I just lose my $75, due to the manufacturer screwing up when he tried to cut it...

I'm cool with waiting on more stock from mkawa, if that's what it takes, but I won't be able to use that plate at all. You shouldn't have to pay the cutter for a defective product, is what I'm saying.

Hate to pull this, but this is CLEARLY in the OP. I'm sorry you're plate didn't turn out, but the risks are clearly stated in the OP as well as in the PM I sent when collecting payment.

- Since my laser guy hasn't cut titanium, I'm not 100% sure how they will turn out. Therefore, if they don't come out, I will not be refunding anything. I have full confidence in my laser guy, but if they don't come out, they don't come out.
 - Enter this Gb at your own discretion. I also reserve the right to deny entry/sale
- If you have any concerns, ask them BEFORE giving payment!

So, are you going to work with me toward getting this fixed, or do I need to take a different approach with you, sir?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 01 April 2014, 09:32:15
No one is holding you personally accountable, The_Beast, but you're being quite dismissive and that's what's a little frustrating. Material isn't free, but it's presumably less than $75 and the cutter should be willing to waive his charge at least for the plate that was messed up.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 01 April 2014, 10:23:29
If there is no chance for a Round 2, I'd appreciate it if you'd sell my plate to one of the folks who didn't make it into the first round, and then refund my fee. I unfortunately don't want a plate without the universal backspace and I'd prefer that it not be filed down.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: skcheng on Tue, 01 April 2014, 10:39:32
Hey ..... everyone relax.   I will personally drill out anything as long as it's marked clearly where I need to drill?   Shouldn't be difficult based on what I'm looking at.   And I can file out the area and smoother it as well.  Should take me minutes and I will do it for free.    Unless I'm mistaken, it's not much that needs to be filed out.   

skc
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: kektr0city on Wed, 02 April 2014, 14:07:56
I'm super interested in getting in on this if there's a round 2.  ANSI 1.25x standard Poker plate please!  Also, if there is a future option, I would also be interested in a polished or anodized finish.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Wed, 02 April 2014, 17:38:52
When are we shipping the plates out? Look lovely :)
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 02 April 2014, 17:49:42
If there is no chance for a Round 2, I'd appreciate it if you'd sell my plate to one of the folks who didn't make it into the first round, and then refund my fee. I unfortunately don't want a plate without the universal backspace and I'd prefer that it not be filed down.

If you want to sell it, do it and update shipping info to me
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Wed, 02 April 2014, 18:20:04
nvm
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 03 April 2014, 15:46:14
speaking only as someone who helped facilitate this and not as a staffmember, i can categorically tell you that no one has made any money on this yet. CP4 ASTM B265 titanium is incredibly expensive, but an amazing looking and acting material. i fronted the money for the material, and then the beast helped me out by getting some cut for plates, but we worked hard to make sure that everyone knew that this was the first time this had ever been done by all of us, cutter, the beast, and that there was a risk that something might not turn out.

again, no one has made any money on this. however, a wealth of knowledge has been gained. my material source didn't even know how the material would react to high powered laser cutting, as unalloyed titanium has very interesting behavior at high temps. for example, i approached a heat treater early on and she told me that titanium develops so much scale at heat that heat treating actually completely blows out all tolerances on your stock, by a factor of ten more than eg steel alloys.

so, please please take your lemons and make some lemonade. skcheng has offered to modify the two plates that have minor mistakes with his 12k$ ultrasonic drills _for free_. that is lemonade folks. and yes, there is more material, and yes, it also costs money. if you want a round 2, 3, 4 etc. to happen, taking up skcheng's extremely generous offer and not haranguing the cutter or the beast more than absolutely necessary is probably going to be a better way to go about things than to do otherwise.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 03 April 2014, 15:51:28
Or, alternately, a vendor on this site could act accoring to the VToS. Just because they partnered with a forum admin in this instance doesn't make them exempt from following the rules.

FYI, I am trying to work something out with The_Beast, and I'm awaiting his reply. And in my opinion, a repaired plate that has visible defects is most definitely not equivalent to a correctly cut plate.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 03 April 2014, 16:25:43
Or, alternately, a vendor on this site could act accoring to the VToS. Just because they partnered with a forum admin in this instance doesn't make them exempt from following the rules.

Ok, I have a problem with logic in this statement.  What does it have to do with the forum admin partnership?  Seems like you are just not happy with the situation and are going to an extreme here with assigning ranks to everyone.  Pretty sure no one here is saying that you should deal with it BECAUSE they are a vendor or forum administrator.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 03 April 2014, 18:46:03
I've decided not to transfer my plate order to anyone. I'll take it as-is.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: cultofjosh on Thu, 03 April 2014, 20:50:40
I've decided not to transfer my plate order to anyone. I'll take it as-is.

I would have done the same, no BS. If round 2 ends up falling through, you suddenly have a very rare, unique and desirable item IMHO. And if round 2 happens, you can always just put it back up for sale, it's not like it's going to lose value. I think the line is long enough here that not everyone is going to get in on round 2, assuming it happens.

I'm still trying to come up with some lemonade for jdcarpe...can anyone think of anything cool to do with it? Is it salvageable? If someone comes up with a cool idea for it, I'll certainly consider buying it.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 03 April 2014, 21:16:36
I'm still trying to come up with some lemonade for jdcarpe...can anyone think of anything cool to do with it? Is it salvageable? If someone comes up with a cool idea for it, I'll certainly consider buying it.

wall decor?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: cultofjosh on Thu, 03 April 2014, 21:28:21
I'm still trying to come up with some lemonade for jdcarpe...can anyone think of anything cool to do with it? Is it salvageable? If someone comes up with a cool idea for it, I'll certainly consider buying it.

wall decor?

I was going to suggest a jdcarpe stencil set, but I haven't conversed with him yet and didn't want him to take it the wrong way or be offended. Wait, he can't read this right?

<tries, hopefully with some success, to lighten the mood here a bit />
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: JayKthnx on Thu, 03 April 2014, 22:32:05
but that titanium lube station guys!
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 03 April 2014, 23:13:29
so jdcarpe and i talked today and he's graciously decided to step in to help me make things right. the beast is quite busy and not entirely happy about how this is going and frankly i don't really blame him. however, round 2 can happen, and will happen. since the beast is busy, we will be getting round 2 waterjet cut. because of the size of the jet, we'll have to revise the plate designs so that they don't have the switch opening tabs. however, i don't think that's a huge deal. first of all, the switch opening tabs aren't going to work with all mx-compatible switches. secondly, if you really want to open your switches constantly, just pcb mount them dudes.

anyway, hoad your horses. more information to come. between my earlier post and this post i kind of smashed my car into someone else's in a very unfortunate set of circumstances and that might delay things a bit, but we will be running more material. my goal was always to make this a readily available material for the community, and a few miscuts don't change that goal. neither does a kind of smashed car. life is too short to worry about a little bit of metal dudes! make stuff!
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 03 April 2014, 23:30:41
I'll be having someone ship the plates to me shortly. I'll inspect them and proceed once things are fully known.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 04 April 2014, 00:12:47
Very happy to read the last two posts :D
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 04 April 2014, 02:13:20
At first, my main concern was that the laser wouldn't cut. The secondary concern after cutting was that the plate could be bumped during cutting. My cutter thought 3-5" each side to secure the plate would be enough, but being that it's his first time, he didn't really know. How could he have, he was doing me a favor, going out of his comfort zone and cut a smaller than normal sheet (he typically does 4' x 8' sheets of stainless steel) of something he'd never cut before. He did me a huge favor by even letting this metal into the shop. For all he knew, it could have downed his new laser cutter, and I hope he gained some knowledge out of this. However, it's put a real sour taste in my mouth about how everything has gone down.


JD, it sucks that you're plate was messed up. However mkawas water jet may face similar problems, it's only his second time cutting Ti.


Edit: If I really wanted to make money on this whole ti business, I would have just made switch tools. They would have been easier to cut, if there was an error, I doubt it would have mattered too much. But I instead wanted to do something cool, make plates, for little if any monetary compensation, and for that, I guess I'm sorry. Lesson learned, don't make cool/innovative/or risky stuff anymore, just cover yourself.....
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: JayKthnx on Fri, 04 April 2014, 03:08:10
Words were said and hearts were broken, but I think everyone can learn from this and grow as a result. Alternative methods can be pursued for cutting more specific and unique designs, but I think that the more or less generic plates came out very well with this process and would love to acquire one myself, even if I have to wait quite some time to. A lot of fantastic work has been accomplished for this project by many people, mainly being mkawa, jdcarpe and the_beast, and I feel safe to say this work was done more for the community as a whole versus any personal gain by any of the three of you. Just try not to forget that.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: cultofjosh on Fri, 04 April 2014, 03:33:06
Glad to hear everything was worked out!

Lube station - I like that idea :) Would that actually work or are the switch holes too big with the switch top removal ability? Sorry if the answer to that is painfully obvious, but I haven't actually acquired any plates yet, though some should arrive relatively soon. I'm getting closer and closer to having everything I need for my first 2 keyboard builds :)
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Fri, 04 April 2014, 04:14:57
however, i don't think that's a huge deal. first of all, the switch opening tabs aren't going to work with all mx-compatible switches. secondly, if you really want to open your switches constantly, just pcb mount them dudes.

Mkawa, switch opening tabs don't work for all mx switches? I thought the switch bodies/tops were identical between them :/ Just sliders and springs were different?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: cultofjosh on Fri, 04 April 2014, 05:14:21
however, i don't think that's a huge deal. first of all, the switch opening tabs aren't going to work with all mx-compatible switches. secondly, if you really want to open your switches constantly, just pcb mount them dudes.

Mkawa, switch opening tabs don't work for all mx switches? I thought the switch bodies/tops were identical between them :/ Just sliders and springs were different?

I believe you are correct about Cherry MX switches. MX-compatible might be a different story.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 04 April 2014, 06:36:51
however, i don't think that's a huge deal. first of all, the switch opening tabs aren't going to work with all mx-compatible switches. secondly, if you really want to open your switches constantly, just pcb mount them dudes.

Mkawa, switch opening tabs don't work for all mx switches? I thought the switch bodies/tops were identical between them :/ Just sliders and springs were different?

Those chinese mx compatible fake clones selling now is what won't be compatible, really surprised they are being supported so highly but at the end of the day its about money one way or the other, funny though how it all seems to be about who is selling them.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Fri, 04 April 2014, 08:53:07
Ah OK! Fair enough. I'd go Cheryy every time myself so it's alright !
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 04 April 2014, 10:25:58
Also often times MX Clears have issues on plates where you can open the switch housings without desoldering. They grip inside keycaps really well.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 04 April 2014, 10:26:52
Thank you all for your hard work and for being generous with your time!
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 04 April 2014, 10:37:04
Also often times MX Clears have issues on plates where you can open the switch housings without desoldering.

Please explain. How does the stem type affect the switch housing exactly?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: cultofjosh on Fri, 04 April 2014, 11:20:45
Also often times MX Clears have issues on plates where you can open the switch housings without desoldering.

Please explain. How does the stem type affect the switch housing exactly?

I think he was implying the switch could be pulled apart when removing a keycap? If that is indeed the case, I think my stainless TKL plates will be enough for my switch popping needs as I'm definitely going to be using clear stems in everything I build. I really only need 1 keyboard with switch popping ability so I can experiment with ergonomically weighted springs or other switch mods before I build "the next"tm keyboard :)
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 04 April 2014, 11:36:21
Also often times MX Clears have issues on plates where you can open the switch housings without desoldering.

Please explain. How does the stem type affect the switch housing exactly?

I think he was implying the switch could be pulled apart when removing a keycap? If that is indeed the case, I think my stainless TKL plates will be enough for my switch popping needs as I'm definitely going to be using clear stems in everything I build. I really only need 1 keyboard with switch popping ability so I can experiment with ergonomically weighted springs or other switch mods before I build "the next"tm keyboard :)

Oh, okay. I've used clears quite a bit, and maybe I'm just careful when removing the keycaps, but I've never had one yet that has stuck and pulled the switch apart.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 04 April 2014, 16:04:55
i've had damage to the contacts when i'm sloppy in opening any kind of switch. i don't think clear stems are more or less immune to this. it's really just a product of pushing your tool too far into the internals of the switch in my experience.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 04 April 2014, 16:13:38
i've had damage to the contacts when i'm sloppy in opening any kind of switch. i don't think clear stems are more or less immune to this. it's really just a product of pushing your tool too far into the internals of the switch in my experience.

Mkawa how do you open switches? I mean I've only opened a few hundred but I've never damaged one.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 04 April 2014, 16:51:12
a 1mm slotted screwdriver and a spudger usually. i pull one side up, shim it with the driver and then pop the other side off with the spudger. it's not the most careful way to do things, but it's worked reasonably well for me. when i get really sloppy though, i shove the driver too far into the switch and oops
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: geniekid on Fri, 04 April 2014, 16:55:57
Lies.

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Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: danielucf on Sat, 05 April 2014, 11:15:22
I've experience the entire housing coming up with MX Clears when I slide my cap puller all around the key and gently attempt to wiggle it off. GON even told me he didn't design his plates with the space required to remove housings while plate mounted because of clears. Not sure what it is that makes them hold better to keycaps than other switches, maybe the type of plastic used in the "clear" color? *shrug*
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Sat, 05 April 2014, 12:23:49
afaik all the stems are delrin/acetal. there are many different acetal resins, but if this is happening, it's more likely to be the shape of the stem than the material
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 05 April 2014, 12:27:29
I've experience the entire housing coming up with MX Clears when I slide my cap puller all around the key and gently attempt to wiggle it off. GON even told me he didn't design his plates with the space required to remove housings while plate mounted because of clears. Not sure what it is that makes them hold better to keycaps than other switches, maybe the type of plastic used in the "clear" color? *shrug*


afaik all the stems are delrin/acetal. there are many different acetal resins, but if this is happening, it's more likely to be the shape of the stem than the material

There are a few threads about the phenomenon here is one

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45122.0
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 05 April 2014, 13:44:14
It's not stem material--there Clear stem was molded slightly differently, as noted in the thread Ray linked.  Not a mystery any longer.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 06 April 2014, 10:59:51
interesting.

anyway, here's the status of R2: i have to get a titanium sheet to my grinder to start the cutting process. we're going to give it a superficial ground finish. it sounds like it won't take too much effort to get it ground to 16ga at the same time. we're also doing some test runs of aluminum sheet at the waterjet to gauge how much tolerance is OK for our application.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Latin00032 on Sun, 06 April 2014, 11:51:07
interesting.

anyway, here's the status of R2: i have to get a titanium sheet to my grinder to start the cutting process. we're going to give it a superficial ground finish. it sounds like it won't take too much effort to get it ground to 16ga at the same time. we're also doing some test runs of aluminum sheet at the waterjet to gauge how much tolerance is OK for our application.

What's the ground finish going to do?

Is it going to change the thickness compared to round one?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 06 April 2014, 12:24:19
it's going to make the surface look like this:

Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 06 April 2014, 12:32:58
mkawa, has there been any discussion on your end regarding allowing layouts other than 60% at some point?  I'm still very interested in getting a 40% plate cut from this material.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 06 April 2014, 16:53:52
no we haven't gotten to that point yet. we have to run a test on the WJ and get the plate finished before anything can proceed
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 08 April 2014, 16:39:26
Pictures of the plates are up. By having plates in hand, I was fully able to assess the situation. From the first pictures it looked like some of the plates were cut with the incorrect layout. This proved not to be the fact. There are 2 "danielucf plate".

Jds plate however is still messed up. I'll be working things out with the cutter and JD. His plate will more than likely be sold to cover and repair costs. So if you're in the market for a one of a kind Ti switch lube station....
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 08 April 2014, 16:43:19
Pictures of the plates are up. By having plates in hand, I was fully able to assess the situation. From the first pictures it looked like some of the plates were cut with the incorrect layout. This proved not to be the fact. There are 2 "danielucf plate".

Jds plate however is still messed up. I'll be working things out with the cutter and JD. His plate will more than likely be sold to cover and repair costs. So if you're in the market for a one of a kind Ti switch lube station....

Thank you for the update. I'm glad the plates came out with the correct layouts after all.

That would be one hell of a lube station…
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 08 April 2014, 18:25:45
(http://i.imgur.com/JbPZ523.jpg)

#hype
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 08 April 2014, 21:00:38
I don't know what that is.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 08 April 2014, 21:01:56
I don't know what that is.

Me neither. It looks like a gigantic mop.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: cultofjosh on Tue, 08 April 2014, 21:02:23
Pictures of the plates are up. By having plates in hand, I was fully able to assess the situation. From the first pictures it looked like some of the plates were cut with the incorrect layout. This proved not to be the fact. There are 2 "danielucf plate".

Jds plate however is still messed up. I'll be working things out with the cutter and JD. His plate will more than likely be sold to cover and repair costs. So if you're in the market for a one of a kind Ti switch lube station....

If you still have it at the end of next week, I can probably help out :) But if someone else is as nuts as me, feel free to sell it first chance you get. I wasn't supposed to be buying anything else here until I got paid, but, umm, lightsaver v2....
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 08 April 2014, 21:05:07
I don't know what that is.

super potato?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: cultofjosh on Tue, 08 April 2014, 21:07:39
I don't know what that is.

super potato?

Food for a mechanical rabbit?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 09 April 2014, 11:53:02
Maybe some sort of polishing wheel for sheet metal?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 09 April 2014, 11:58:29
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JbPZ523.jpg)


#hype

Best joke ever. Ya'll thought you were paying for titanium plates, but you're just getting packing peanuts!

life is too short to worry about a little bit of metal dudes! make stuff!

The only thing worth worrying about in life is (heavy) metal and actual metals. mkawa is wrong :P

anyway, here's the status of R2: i have to get a titanium sheet to my grinder to start the cutting process. we're going to give it a superficial ground finish. it sounds like it won't take too much effort to get it ground to 16ga at the same time. we're also doing some test runs of aluminum sheet at the waterjet to gauge how much tolerance is OK for our application.

Waterjet is so cool. The laser cut stuff seems nice but watching waterjet cutting is mesmerizing. I think I might be interested in this round :D.



Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 10 April 2014, 01:48:12
here's a potatocam of the refractory behavior of various metals in various states of finish.

from left to right:

1) 5000 series aluminum extrusion lapped to a flat but rough finish with a surface plate going up to about 800 grit wet silicon carbide paper

2) (heat exchanger) polished 6061 aluminum, temper unknown

3) unfinished/mill finish 7075-t651 aluminum plate

4) (below) titanium b265 cp4 sheet, ground to a 32 finish.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Sun, 13 April 2014, 17:46:12
I apologize if this was mentioned earlier, but will these be shipping soon?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Sun, 13 April 2014, 22:53:53
I apologize if this was mentioned earlier, but will these be shipping soon?

As soon as I get 6-7 sets of switch tools sanded and ready to ship so that the people in the plate buy could, if they wanted tools, get them so I don't have to ship twice. It's also another bonus for those who ordered plates.


Also, #endhype, I talked to someone in the metals department and had the switch tools media polished/tumbled. They turned out ok, it's still a dull and uneven finish on the surface, but the edges are broken and the serration from the laser is less pronounced.

 (http://i.imgur.com/ptXDBcK.jpg)
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 13 April 2014, 23:14:20
Ah, so that's what the white chalky bits were!
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 14 April 2014, 07:07:45
:thumb:

Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: strict on Mon, 14 April 2014, 09:28:32
I apologize if this was mentioned earlier, but will these be shipping soon?

As soon as I get 6-7 sets of switch tools sanded and ready to ship so that the people in the plate buy could, if they wanted tools, get them so I don't have to ship twice. It's also another bonus for those who ordered plates.


Also, #endhype, I talked to someone in the metals department and had the switch tools media polished/tumbled. They turned out ok, it's still a dull and uneven finish on the surface, but the edges are broken and the serration from the laser is less pronounced.

 
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ptXDBcK.jpg)


I thought those were the foam peanuts they were shipped in haha. The two things I want the most right now are a set of these Ti switch tools and a BroBot  :))
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: JayKthnx on Mon, 14 April 2014, 11:25:38
I'm sure I'm one of many people impatiently chomping at the bit for a set of these tools. lol
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 14 April 2014, 23:18:20
good call on the tumbling. you can always bring the surface finish back with grinding and sanding, but it's a pain to finish all the edges by hand.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: OverKill on Thu, 17 April 2014, 01:11:05
You are most likely using the wrong media for titanium in your tumbler. That or you need to go to a multi step process for finishing. The media that is in there now is for finishing. You need a more aggressive media more then likely. If you want a shinier finish then you would use the media you have now after you use the initial more aggressive media. I have no suggestions for media for titanium since I mostly deal with tumbling aluminum and some steel, mostly 1018.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 17 April 2014, 01:44:52
You are most likely using the wrong media for titanium in your tumbler. That or you need to go to a multi step process for finishing. The media that is in there now is for finishing. You need a more aggressive media more then likely. If you want a shinier finish then you would use the media you have now after you use the initial more aggressive media. I have no suggestions for media for titanium since I mostly deal with tumbling aluminum and some steel, mostly 1018.

Yup, I finally got the tools out of the shaker, it didn't really do much other than breaking the edge a bit. Sand paper worked a lot better to actually "polish" the faces and take away the laser cut edge.

I doubt there is any other media to use, and it took long enough as is.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: OverKill on Thu, 17 April 2014, 12:52:08
You are most likely using the wrong media for titanium in your tumbler. That or you need to go to a multi step process for finishing. The media that is in there now is for finishing. You need a more aggressive media more then likely. If you want a shinier finish then you would use the media you have now after you use the initial more aggressive media. I have no suggestions for media for titanium since I mostly deal with tumbling aluminum and some steel, mostly 1018.

Yup, I finally got the tools out of the shaker, it didn't really do much other than breaking the edge a bit. Sand paper worked a lot better to actually "polish" the faces and take away the laser cut edge.

I doubt there is any other media to use, and it took long enough as is.

Oh i am sure there is media out there for it. It may be that even an aggressive media for steel would work ok for what you want. The problem is those stones are for sek finishing or finishing. They are used a lot in reloading. Throw all your brass in to clean it up for 8 hours or so and it comes out good as new. There are also compounds you can put in the water to help polish better.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 17 April 2014, 13:43:38
unworked steel doesn't quite have the surface hardness of titanium. surface hardness of cp4 is similar to precipitation hardened stainless (17, 18 series), or heat treated cold worked mild steel. it's also very similar to precipitation hardened aluminum alloys, but quite a bit less than anodized aluminum. for reference, it's in the C20s on the rockwell scale.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 17 April 2014, 13:48:17
You are most likely using the wrong media for titanium in your tumbler. That or you need to go to a multi step process for finishing. The media that is in there now is for finishing. You need a more aggressive media more then likely. If you want a shinier finish then you would use the media you have now after you use the initial more aggressive media. I have no suggestions for media for titanium since I mostly deal with tumbling aluminum and some steel, mostly 1018.

Yup, I finally got the tools out of the shaker, it didn't really do much other than breaking the edge a bit. Sand paper worked a lot better to actually "polish" the faces and take away the laser cut edge.

I doubt there is any other media to use, and it took long enough as is.

Oh i am sure there is media out there for it. It may be that even an aggressive media for steel would work ok for what you want. The problem is those stones are for sek finishing or finishing. They are used a lot in reloading. Throw all your brass in to clean it up for 8 hours or so and it comes out good as new. There are also compounds you can put in the water to help polish better.


Oh I'm sure there is a media out there too. However, I doubt the metals department has it since they almost never use ti. Plus, I wasn't picky since most of the time they don't like doing personal projects, even as simple as media tumbling.

I'll have pictures up of the hand sanded one up once I find a camera.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Tue, 22 April 2014, 21:04:09
i am picking up the second plate of raw (finished but uncut) material tomorrow.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Thu, 24 April 2014, 07:39:40
Any news on shipping out the first round? They were cut a while ago :/. Are we maybe waiting for second round or something? or switch tools...seems like they're done/almost done?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 24 April 2014, 08:06:37
Any news on shipping out the first round? They were cut a while ago :/. Are we maybe waiting for second round or something? or switch tools...seems like they're done/almost done?

I'm waiting on getting tools done. They need to be hand sanded, ground, checked and bent before I can ship them. The people who got plates get priority as a bonus but I have to get done with them first...
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: geniekid on Thu, 24 April 2014, 14:27:40
i am picking up the second plate of raw (finished but uncut) material tomorrow.

Pics of *raw* plates please!
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 25 April 2014, 17:53:49
Any news on shipping out the first round? They were cut a while ago :/. Are we maybe waiting for second round or something? or switch tools...seems like they're done/almost done?

I'm waiting on getting tools done. They need to be hand sanded, ground, checked and bent before I can ship them. The people who got plates get priority as a bonus but I have to get done with them first...

Cool, thanks!
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 25 April 2014, 23:24:23
i am picking up the second plate of raw (finished but uncut) material tomorrow.

Pics of *raw* plates please!

the uncut sheet looks pretty much like the ground plate in the picture above (although it was a potato-pic, i can't fit the whole sheet and skid into my apartment at the moment)
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Sun, 27 April 2014, 22:19:25
I got 7 sets ground tonight. I'm hoping to get those 7 sanded and bent tomorrow so I can sent out a PM for shipping info.

Hoping..... no promises :|
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Mon, 28 April 2014, 07:14:58
Fingers crossed xD
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 07 May 2014, 17:51:14
Alright, I don't see myself getting switch tools done. So I'll be sending PMs for shipping info/payment for all GB members. You'll still get first dibs at switch tools, but I feel bad about hanging onto these plates this long, I know you guys want them.

Only thing that sucks will  be shipping for switch tools if you want them....

Expect PMs later tonight or tomorrow.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 07 May 2014, 18:39:49
i think this is the right plan. shipping switch tools is only a couple dollars.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Sat, 17 May 2014, 13:02:41
My plate showed up. The laser work seems pretty good, but unfortunately the plate arrived pretty warped:

(Sorry for the ****ty pic)
(http://i.imgur.com/5BhprfP.jpg)

Anyways, hopefully it can be straightened out somehow to make it useable. The middle of the plate is about 5mm raised.

Did all of the plates come out like this? Is there a chance it happened in shipping?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 17 May 2014, 13:18:33
My plate showed up. The laser work seems pretty good, but unfortunately the plate arrived pretty warped:

(Sorry for the ****ty pic)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5BhprfP.jpg)


Anyways, hopefully it can be straightened out somehow to make it useable. The middle of the plate is about 5mm raised.

Did all of the plates come out like this? Is there a chance it happened in shipping?

That is very common with plates from The_Beast. It's from when he runs one side of the plate through the sander to remove the burrs, etc. You can just bend it straight by hand.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: riotonthebay on Sat, 17 May 2014, 13:38:14
My plate showed up. The laser work seems pretty good, but unfortunately the plate arrived pretty warped:

(Sorry for the ****ty pic)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5BhprfP.jpg)


Anyways, hopefully it can be straightened out somehow to make it useable. The middle of the plate is about 5mm raised.

Did all of the plates come out like this? Is there a chance it happened in shipping?

That is very common with plates from The_Beast. It's from when he runs one side of the plate through the sander to remove the burrs, etc. You can just bend it straight by hand.

Thanks for the advice, JD.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Sat, 17 May 2014, 18:03:57
My plate showed up. The laser work seems pretty good, but unfortunately the plate arrived pretty warped:

(Sorry for the ****ty pic)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5BhprfP.jpg)


Anyways, hopefully it can be straightened out somehow to make it useable. The middle of the plate is about 5mm raised.

Did all of the plates come out like this? Is there a chance it happened in shipping?

That is very common with plates from The_Beast. It's from when he runs one side of the plate through the sander to remove the burrs, etc. You can just bend it straight by hand.

Thanks for the advice, JD.

I place the smallest end on a table, and the other edge in my hand. Using my other hand, I just push down until the plate lays flat. You can fine tune the bending my moving your hand until it's flat.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Sat, 17 May 2014, 18:07:21
gentle pressure on this material flattens it out quite nicely. remember that to make a slightly winged material flat, you can't just flatten it and hope it stays that way. you have to bend it very slightly against the bend so that it is, under pressure, bent slightly in the exact opposite arc, and then release the pressure slowly. the_beast's method is quite nice, not to gain extra leverage, but to keep careful control over the process.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Mon, 19 May 2014, 04:46:25
Received in the UK, thanks beast. Mine was also warped. I was an idiot and tried to fix it to my PCB anyway....didn't work,  typing surface remained warped and PCB just bent with the plate. Keyboard was 100% functional just not flat. I'm going to get a new poker2 and try and straighten out the plate this time.
With Beast's method do i pout a small section of the plate on the table and then press into it , then shift along so more plate is on the table and bend it flat piece by piece? Is there a risk I can snap it by hand? I know titanium is strong but I don't want to be over confident with my hulk hands :)


Thanks
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 22 May 2014, 02:34:47
snapping it in half requires about a 2 ton press. you're safe there.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Mon, 26 May 2014, 13:24:13
snapping it in half requires about a 2 ton press. you're safe there.

Yeh im 95% there to having it flat. Just bending it on the table worked like a charm.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 16 June 2014, 13:11:20
Nevermind, it went to the correct address and was waiting for me when I got in last night.  Sorry for the false alarm.  Thanks!
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: IonutZ on Mon, 16 June 2014, 16:02:18
I don't mean to hijack the post, but I figured since you're doing this for 60% plates... I'm curious if it would be possible to do the same for 75% plates. (A QFR / Filco plate for example). There are a lot of people that would be interested in acquiring them from you (including myself) if you were able to do that.

EDIT: nvm didn't see it was a group buy  :'(

Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 18 June 2014, 21:35:03
i may do a few 80% (TKL) plates in round 3 (round 2 is in the geekhackers vendor forum). i would have to get them to nest nicely with the 60% GH60 plates i'll be running though, which is tough because of the dimensions (4.something by 13.something inches -- just a little too big to use the space efficiently...)
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: nukec on Wed, 25 June 2014, 18:05:35
Hi are you going to do new round for 60% poker II ?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: limitz on Sun, 13 July 2014, 00:18:24
Is this still active?

If so, does the plate fit onto GON's NS38?

Thanks.

Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: limitz on Thu, 14 August 2014, 16:57:32
Bump for question:

Is this buy associated at all with this?:

http://www.geekhackers.org/collections/keyboard-accessories/products/60-keyboard-titanium-switch-plates-with-notches-for-switch-disassembly

Because it doesn't seem like this buy is active anymore, and I just put in an order for that titanium plate. I don't want to be throwing money down a well if it's not going to get made.

If it is, and it's not being made anymore, I'm going to go ahead and cancel my order.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 15 August 2014, 05:47:26
Bump for question:

Is this buy associated at all with this?:

http://www.geekhackers.org/collections/keyboard-accessories/products/60-keyboard-titanium-switch-plates-with-notches-for-switch-disassembly

Because it doesn't seem like this buy is active anymore, and I just put in an order for that titanium plate. I don't want to be throwing money down a well if it's not going to get made.

If it is, and it's not being made anymore, I'm going to go ahead and cancel my order.

I was in on Round 1 of the 60% plates and they are well worth the money. That being said if it is on geekhackers.org it is going to happen. The site is along the lines of ctrlalt.io, techkeys.net, and many of the other reliable vendor pages.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: fart_toast on Fri, 15 August 2014, 09:17:50
ISO Plate installed

(http://i.imgur.com/ErdeT0k.jpg)

http://imgur.com/a/gBROA
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 18 August 2014, 10:26:00
Bump for question:

Is this buy associated at all with this?:

http://www.geekhackers.org/collections/keyboard-accessories/products/60-keyboard-titanium-switch-plates-with-notches-for-switch-disassembly

Because it doesn't seem like this buy is active anymore, and I just put in an order for that titanium plate. I don't want to be throwing money down a well if it's not going to get made.

If it is, and it's not being made anymore, I'm going to go ahead and cancel my order.
yah, i just have to collect enough orders to run a full sheet
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: kitsun8 on Sun, 21 September 2014, 06:27:27
Are these plates still available?
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: limitz on Tue, 23 September 2014, 12:16:17
Yes, geekhackers.org

Gogogo so we can get a full sheet faster.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: kitsun8 on Tue, 23 September 2014, 17:06:42
Yes, geekhackers.org

Gogogo so we can get a full sheet faster.
How many till a full sheet? ;p may order more than one.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: limitz on Wed, 24 September 2014, 11:15:47
You'll have to message Mkawa.

I was considering adding a TKL plate as well, to fill up the sheet faster. Let me know what you find.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: kitsun8 on Wed, 24 September 2014, 21:07:20
You'll have to message Mkawa.

I was considering adding a TKL plate as well, to fill up the sheet faster. Let me know what you find.
Ok cheers for the help :))
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: MrRooks on Tue, 17 March 2015, 13:32:42
ISO Plate installed

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ErdeT0k.jpg)


http://imgur.com/a/gBROA

I just bought a board with this plate in it and I noticed something I also notice in this picture. It doesn't seem like the switches snap into the plate. I believe they need 1.5mm plate to be able to snap in but this is just about 2mm thick. I notice the plate bending in some places and the switches not sitting flush with the plate. You can see it on the right most switch in the picture above. Is this just something we have to live with? I'm guessing so. Just seems to defeat the point of a plate if you cant snap anything to it, including costar stabs.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 March 2015, 13:47:49
I don't think those plates were 2mm thick. mkawa supplied the sanded titanium material to The_Beast to be lasered, so he would know. But they were suppose to be 1.5mm thick.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: MrRooks on Tue, 17 March 2015, 14:01:16
I don't think those plates were 2mm thick. mkawa supplied the sanded titanium material to The_Beast to be lasered, so he would know. But they were suppose to be 1.5mm thick.

Hmm, I just pulled mine back out of it's case and it measures 2.0mm. OP says it's .078" which is 1.98mm. Kinda bummed I bought this now. Seems silly to make a plate that can't correctly act as a plate.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 17 March 2015, 14:11:23
I don't think those plates were 2mm thick. mkawa supplied the sanded titanium material to The_Beast to be lasered, so he would know. But they were suppose to be 1.5mm thick.

Hmm, I just pulled mine back out of it's case and it measures 2.0mm. OP says it's .078" which is 1.98mm. Kinda bummed I bought this now. Seems silly to make a plate that can't correctly act as a plate.
Huh, that's very strange.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 17 March 2015, 18:13:41
I don't think those plates were 2mm thick. mkawa supplied the sanded titanium material to The_Beast to be lasered, so he would know. But they were suppose to be 1.5mm thick.

Nope, kawa supplied 14 gauge ti

- Material
- 14 gauge/.078" CP4 grade (aerospace grade) titanium provided by mkawa (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=5606)


The plate I have installed seems to work fine with the thicker plate
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: MrRooks on Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:14:34
I don't think those plates were 2mm thick. mkawa supplied the sanded titanium material to The_Beast to be lasered, so he would know. But they were suppose to be 1.5mm thick.

Nope, kawa supplied 14 gauge ti

- Material
- 14 gauge/.078" CP4 grade (aerospace grade) titanium provided by mkawa (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=5606)


The plate I have installed seems to work fine with the thicker plate

It "works" in the sense that it seems to stay put. But it's just held in place with friction. Switches wont snap in, nor will Costar stabilizers. The plate is too thick and the clips can't seat correctly causing the stabilizers to bind. I can work my way around the plate pushing it down and it will fall off of the switches and hit the PCB.
Title: Re: [Ordered] Laser cut titanium 60% plates
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:38:30
It "works" in the sense that it seems to stay put. But it's just held in place with friction. Switches wont snap in, nor will Costar stabilizers. The plate is too thick and the clips can't seat correctly causing the stabilizers to bind. I can work my way around the plate pushing it down and it will fall off of the switches and hit the PCB.

You just need a 3mm thick spacer with oversized switch holes under that plate, and you're golden. :)