Okey, so guess what? MY HHKB FINALLY CAME!!!
I'm not sure wether I like it or not yet though, I guess time will tell. I honestly don't like how the topres feel atm. It simply feels weird right now. Bear in mind this is my first time ever typing on a topre switch though, so I'll try to get used to it before I say anything. And for some weird reason: I got the third DIP switch enabled, but the delete still works as a delete, and not as a BS, anyone knows why?
Okey, so guess what? MY HHKB FINALLY CAME!!!
I'm not sure wether I like it or not yet though, I guess time will tell. I honestly don't like how the topres feel atm. It simply feels weird right now. Bear in mind this is my first time ever typing on a topre switch though, so I'll try to get used to it before I say anything. And for some weird reason: I got the third DIP switch enabled, but the delete still works as a delete, and not as a BS, anyone knows why?
Grats on your new board! I would give it a week or two to get used to how Topre feels. After a week, try using another board and see how it feels then.
Did you make sure the board was unplugged when you changed the DIP switch?
Okey, so guess what? MY HHKB FINALLY CAME!!!
I'm not sure wether I like it or not yet though, I guess time will tell. I honestly don't like how the topres feel atm. It simply feels weird right now. Bear in mind this is my first time ever typing on a topre switch though, so I'll try to get used to it before I say anything. And for some weird reason: I got the third DIP switch enabled, but the delete still works as a delete, and not as a BS, anyone knows why?
Grats on your new board! I would give it a week or two to get used to how Topre feels. After a week, try using another board and see how it feels then.
Did you make sure the board was unplugged when you changed the DIP switch?
That's probably what I'm gonna do, give it a week or two. For the unplugging thing, check my edit :)) I'm stupid!
Okey, so guess what? MY HHKB FINALLY CAME!!!
I'm not sure wether I like it or not yet though, I guess time will tell. I honestly don't like how the topres feel atm. It simply feels weird right now. Bear in mind this is my first time ever typing on a topre switch though, so I'll try to get used to it before I say anything. And for some weird reason: I got the third DIP switch enabled, but the delete still works as a delete, and not as a BS, anyone knows why?
Grats on your new board! I would give it a week or two to get used to how Topre feels. After a week, try using another board and see how it feels then.
Did you make sure the board was unplugged when you changed the DIP switch?
That's probably what I'm gonna do, give it a week or two. For the unplugging thing, check my edit :)) I'm stupid!
I was underwhelmed by Topre at first, but they grew on me. ;)
But from the reports I have read, they are not for everyone! If you find you are still not pleased with your board an extended period of time, you might want to switch it up!
Okey, so guess what? MY HHKB FINALLY CAME!!!
I'm not sure wether I like it or not yet though, I guess time will tell. I honestly don't like how the topres feel atm. It simply feels weird right now. Bear in mind this is my first time ever typing on a topre switch though, so I'll try to get used to it before I say anything. And for some weird reason: I got the third DIP switch enabled, but the delete still works as a delete, and not as a BS, anyone knows why?
Grats on your new board! I would give it a week or two to get used to how Topre feels. After a week, try using another board and see how it feels then.
Did you make sure the board was unplugged when you changed the DIP switch?
That's probably what I'm gonna do, give it a week or two. For the unplugging thing, check my edit :)) I'm stupid!
I was underwhelmed by Topre at first, but they grew on me. ;)
But from the reports I have read, they are not for everyone! If you find you are still not pleased with your board an extended period of time, you might want to switch it up!
I must be the odd one out haha. I actually really liked 55g from the first day of typing on it and despised 45g when I tried it. I understand why they're not for everyone, but I'm glad I tried it, and now I love it more than any MX switch (but damn, lubed clears make it a very close decision).
Give it a month....If you're used to Cherry, Topre will feel odd at first...I think a lot of people's first reaction is, this just feels like my old rubber dome keyboard...and in a lot of ways, it does...When you use it for awhile though, you'll start seeing the differences between the two...when you go back to a cherry board you may find you actually miss your Topre....
OR
You might never like it..which is fine...
Okey, so guess what? MY HHKB FINALLY CAME!!!
I'm not sure wether I like it or not yet though, I guess time will tell. I honestly don't like how the topres feel atm. It simply feels weird right now. Bear in mind this is my first time ever typing on a topre switch though, so I'll try to get used to it before I say anything. And for some weird reason: I got the third DIP switch enabled, but the delete still works as a delete, and not as a BS, anyone knows why?
EDIT: Just replugged the thing and now it works fine ^^ Anyways, just to clarify my problem with the topres; it just isn't that instant satisfaction that I was first expecting to get :c Anyone want to add something?
Okey, so guess what? MY HHKB FINALLY CAME!!!
I'm not sure wether I like it or not yet though, I guess time will tell. I honestly don't like how the topres feel atm. It simply feels weird right now. Bear in mind this is my first time ever typing on a topre switch though, so I'll try to get used to it before I say anything. And for some weird reason: I got the third DIP switch enabled, but the delete still works as a delete, and not as a BS, anyone knows why?
EDIT: Just replugged the thing and now it works fine ^^ Anyways, just to clarify my problem with the topres; it just isn't that instant satisfaction that I was first expecting to get :c Anyone want to add something?
Yes I want to add this: you have read too much about Topre. They are good, but so are Cherry MX switches. The problem is that there are people singing the praise of Topre for whatever reason, and they are so vocal about it that it creates a reality distortion field.
Disclaimer: I'm typing this on Topre (Realforce 87U). Last week I would have been typing this on Cherry MX brown, blue or red.
Oh, and don't worry: given the price you have paid for the HHKB, you will love it in a few days. It's automatic. It comes with the price tag.
Okey, so guess what? MY HHKB FINALLY CAME!!!
I'm not sure wether I like it or not yet though, I guess time will tell. I honestly don't like how the topres feel atm. It simply feels weird right now. Bear in mind this is my first time ever typing on a topre switch though, so I'll try to get used to it before I say anything. And for some weird reason: I got the third DIP switch enabled, but the delete still works as a delete, and not as a BS, anyone knows why?
EDIT: Just replugged the thing and now it works fine ^^ Anyways, just to clarify my problem with the topres; it just isn't that instant satisfaction that I was first expecting to get :c Anyone want to add something?
Yes I want to add this: you have read too much about Topre. They are good, but so are Cherry MX switches. The problem is that there are people singing the praise of Topre for whatever reason, and they are so vocal about it that it creates a reality distortion field.
Disclaimer: I'm typing this on Topre (Realforce 87U). Last week I would have been typing this on Cherry MX brown, blue or red.
Oh, and don't worry: given the price you have paid for the HHKB, you will love it in a few days. It's automatic. It comes with the price tag.
Funny thing is, I learned the psychology behind that thoughtprocess a couple months ago (studying psychology). We'll see if it still works :)) And yes, I've defo gotten a bit too hyped 'cause of all the praise, but I was also prepared that I might NOT like it ^^' We'll see how I feel 'bout it in a couple weeks.. if I REALLY don't like it, I can just sell it!
Okey, so guess what? MY HHKB FINALLY CAME!!!
I'm not sure wether I like it or not yet though, I guess time will tell. I honestly don't like how the topres feel atm. It simply feels weird right now. Bear in mind this is my first time ever typing on a topre switch though, so I'll try to get used to it before I say anything. And for some weird reason: I got the third DIP switch enabled, but the delete still works as a delete, and not as a BS, anyone knows why?
EDIT: Just replugged the thing and now it works fine ^^ Anyways, just to clarify my problem with the topres; it just isn't that instant satisfaction that I was first expecting to get :c Anyone want to add something?
Yes I want to add this: you have read too much about Topre. They are good, but so are Cherry MX switches. The problem is that there are people singing the praise of Topre for whatever reason, and they are so vocal about it that it creates a reality distortion field.
Disclaimer: I'm typing this on Topre (Realforce 87U). Last week I would have been typing this on Cherry MX brown, blue or red.
Oh, and don't worry: given the price you have paid for the HHKB, you will love it in a few days. It's automatic. It comes with the price tag.
Funny thing is, I learned the psychology behind that thoughtprocess a couple months ago (studying psychology). We'll see if it still works :)) And yes, I've defo gotten a bit too hyped 'cause of all the praise, but I was also prepared that I might NOT like it ^^' We'll see how I feel 'bout it in a couple weeks.. if I REALLY don't like it, I can just sell it!
Now that's interesting. Can you please elaborate on this psychological side? Because I'm absolutely convinced that we are almost unable to be objective when it comes to keyboards, and I would really like to know about the underlying psychological mechanics behind this.
One thing I have noticed, is that even when we are convinced that the "feel" (tactile feel) of the switch is the most important thing, we are actually heavily influenced by the sound it makes. But most of the time we do not realize it.
I assume you mean something else that what our senses tell us.
Okey, so guess what? MY HHKB FINALLY CAME!!!
I'm not sure wether I like it or not yet though, I guess time will tell. I honestly don't like how the topres feel atm. It simply feels weird right now. Bear in mind this is my first time ever typing on a topre switch though, so I'll try to get used to it before I say anything. And for some weird reason: I got the third DIP switch enabled, but the delete still works as a delete, and not as a BS, anyone knows why?
EDIT: Just replugged the thing and now it works fine ^^ Anyways, just to clarify my problem with the topres; it just isn't that instant satisfaction that I was first expecting to get :c Anyone want to add something?
Yes I want to add this: you have read too much about Topre. They are good, but so are Cherry MX switches. The problem is that there are people singing the praise of Topre for whatever reason, and they are so vocal about it that it creates a reality distortion field.
Disclaimer: I'm typing this on Topre (Realforce 87U). Last week I would have been typing this on Cherry MX brown, blue or red.
Oh, and don't worry: given the price you have paid for the HHKB, you will love it in a few days. It's automatic. It comes with the price tag.
Funny thing is, I learned the psychology behind that thoughtprocess a couple months ago (studying psychology). We'll see if it still works :)) And yes, I've defo gotten a bit too hyped 'cause of all the praise, but I was also prepared that I might NOT like it ^^' We'll see how I feel 'bout it in a couple weeks.. if I REALLY don't like it, I can just sell it!
Now that's interesting. Can you please elaborate on this psychological side? Because I'm absolutely convinced that we are almost unable to be objective when it comes to keyboards, and I would really like to know about the underlying psychological mechanics behind this.
One thing I have noticed, is that even when we are convinced that the "feel" (tactile feel) of the switch is the most important thing, we are actually heavily influenced by the sound it makes. But most of the time we do not realize it.
I assume you mean something else that what our senses tell us.
Well, I'll be honest and say that I'm not an expert on this yet, I'm just barely done with my first year :)) And I realise what I said earlier was not really accurate. I don't know the "thoughtprocess" per se, I just know that such a process of liking something just simply because you've put effort into it is a real thing. What's interesting though, it's been "proven" (best word I could think of) in a couple experiments that for example buyer's "argumentation", and how you start to like something if you've put enough effort into gaining it (for example lots of money), actually is a "real" satisfaction.
There's no difference between that and the satisfaction you feel for something at once (according to these experiments). The same goes for happiness, the happiness you imagine, will sooner or later become a "real" happiness. They took people with extreme demencia and let them rank 5 pictures from which they liked the best to worst. Then they were given the picture (for a few minutes, before they took it back) they liked second best. Then, a couple hours later when everything was completely forgotten, they did the same thing again, only this time they actually rated the picture they the first time had said to been second best as the best. In other words, there is a real cognitive change in the brain that helps you be happy with what you got (if that's what you'd like to call it).
This is, however, not something I've read in any proper psychology books, just something I found in my leisure time, and I've never seen any documention of the experiments or anything, so it could ofc be completely false :)) I still think it's an interesting concept though!
I swap my keyboards around a lot, but I always come back to my HHKB.
I was also kinda meh the first time I typed on it, and because I use many different keyboards with a more conventional layout, but only the one HHKB, it took me a while to get used to the function key combinations, particularly for arrows.
But I am slowly getting there, and each time I switch back to HHKB it feels like I have come home.
Oh, and don't worry: given the price you have paid for the HHKB, you will love it in a few days. It's automatic. It comes with the price tag.
The problem is that there are people singing the praise of Topre for whatever reason, and they are so vocal about it that it creates a reality distortion field.
A quick update: I'm liking this keyboard more and more, the only problem ive got at this point is the fact that it still feels too light :/
Topre made me love MX more.
MX made me love Topre more.
I think your expectations were too high :(
I also thought it's a little light until yesterday, when I had to program for few hours. My pinky would have been dead if the fn key was any heavier. Home, end, F9,F10 seemed quite taxing on pinky if you use these keys a lot. So 45g gets a big + from me when it comes to working.
I would love to try some 55g hhkb with a 30(?)g fn key. As far as I've read, the 55g gives better feels, but a light fn key would make it better for more intense work with the text.
I swap my keyboards around a lot, but I always come back to my HHKB.
I was also kinda meh the first time I typed on it, and because I use many different keyboards with a more conventional layout, but only the one HHKB, it took me a while to get used to the function key combinations, particularly for arrows.
But I am slowly getting there, and each time I switch back to HHKB it feels like I have come home.
I swap my keyboards around a lot, but I always come back to my HHKB.
I was also kinda meh the first time I typed on it, and because I use many different keyboards with a more conventional layout, but only the one HHKB, it took me a while to get used to the function key combinations, particularly for arrows.
But I am slowly getting there, and each time I switch back to HHKB it feels like I have come home.
This. I typed for a full year on my Filco MJT 2 TKL with Browns, as hesitant to keep my HHKB2 Pro as my daily driver. But now, after 4 months or so, when I try my Filco again for an hour or so, I switch back to my HHKB. I have no idea what it is about Topre (and it is not that I am in for the niche or that I have to justify the price point), but there is something I am really fond of with that switch.
I can't say I know of anybody who was unhappy with their Topre keyboard. I'm sure you will enjoy using yours.
I can't say I know of anybody who was unhappy with their Topre keyboard. I'm sure you will enjoy using yours.Show Image(http://eemoticons.net/Upload/Big%20Onion/th_30.gif)
I for one was thoroughly disappointed with my 87u
Which mx switch type you mean? Clears perhaps? possibly so.
Don't think broken in MX browns ever get as smooth as Topre. Just Never. Or you maybe drown the mx switch in oil...
Topre is not as smooth as well broken in Cherry with a set of good caps..
I'd rank Cherry + thick-pbt above topre in smoothness.
the absolute smoothest keyboards available, are new $5 rubber dome keyboards...
Topre is not as smooth as well broken in Cherry with a set of good caps..
I'd rank Cherry + thick-pbt above topre in smoothness.
the absolute smoothest keyboards available, are new $5 rubber dome keyboards...
Well, wether I like the board or not.. I keep longing back to it whenever I'm at work or anywhere else :))
Well, wether I like the board or not.. I keep longing back to it whenever I'm at work or anywhere else :))
This is where you start thinking about buying a second one to use at work!
Which mx switch type you mean? Clears perhaps? possibly so.
Don't think broken in MX browns ever get as smooth as Topre. Just Never. Or you maybe drown the mx switch in oil...
Indeed. Due to this thread I got curious and tried my browns again, but they feel more 'grainy' than my Topre. I think my HHKB is butter smooth. Weirdest thing is that where I first found the tactile feedback lacking, I somehow got used to not bottoming out on my Topre's.
Which mx switch type you mean? Clears perhaps? possibly so.
Don't think broken in MX browns ever get as smooth as Topre. Just Never. Or you maybe drown the mx switch in oil...
Indeed. Due to this thread I got curious and tried my browns again, but they feel more 'grainy' than my Topre. I think my HHKB is butter smooth. Weirdest thing is that where I first found the tactile feedback lacking, I somehow got used to not bottoming out on my Topre's.
I'd like to see it..sorry, I just don't believe when people say that..Unless you type really slow and in a very oddball fashion (which is also slow) like the like palm of your finger (or whatever it is called..the part w/ your finger prints) like I've seen some person video themselves doing...then I have a hard time believing anyone that says they're not bottoming out at all...
OR you have 30g Topre...in which case I think it is possble...
Which mx switch type you mean? Clears perhaps? possibly so.
Don't think broken in MX browns ever get as smooth as Topre. Just Never. Or you maybe drown the mx switch in oil...
Indeed. Due to this thread I got curious and tried my browns again, but they feel more 'grainy' than my Topre. I think my HHKB is butter smooth. Weirdest thing is that where I first found the tactile feedback lacking, I somehow got used to not bottoming out on my Topre's.
I'd like to see it..sorry, I just don't believe when people say that..Unless you type really slow and in a very oddball fashion (which is also slow) like the like palm of your finger (or whatever it is called..the part w/ your finger prints) like I've seen some person video themselves doing...then I have a hard time believing anyone that says they're not bottoming out at all...
OR you have 30g Topre...in which case I think it is possble...
I have to agree with this.
There is simply no way you can type normally or fast without bottoming out on Topre. Unless you can control your actuation force within fractions of a second. This is difficult at full concentration. Pressing light on the bump and then increasing until you get over the bump then lessening so you don't bottom out which is like a millimeter of distance (from actuation to bottom out).
Yeah... Not possible. Perhaps Topre is so smooth after breaking in its giving you the illusion of not bottoming out. That seems more likely.
Good point. Well, it's all subjective I guess. My 45g Topre feels harder to actuate than my 45g Browns, but I do agree that when typing fast I bottom out a lot more. Perhaps it is indeed the smoothness to it that gives me the impression of not bottoming out. Perhaps a difference is that the HHKB is not plate-mountend, making it feel 'softer' somehow compared to my plate-mounted Filco.
Good point. Well, it's all subjective I guess. My 45g Topre feels harder to actuate than my 45g Browns, but I do agree that when typing fast I bottom out a lot more. Perhaps it is indeed the smoothness to it that gives me the impression of not bottoming out. Perhaps a difference is that the HHKB is not plate-mountend, making it feel 'softer' somehow compared to my plate-mounted Filco.
Update: Felt like giving a quick update.. just want to say that I'm sitll liking my topre, but I'm defo considering selling it and getting a Noppoo Choc Mini with blacks instead ^^' I'll keep using the HHKB for another week or two though, just to be sure!
I'm honestly not sure with the 60% deal.. I'll have to experiment some more. But noppoo and keycool 84 are appealing to me cause they have everything, but are still compact. I don't really miss having the "missing" keys on my HHKB though, so we'll see what I end up doing :)) I'm definitely liking topre more and more, though!Update: Felt like giving a quick update.. just want to say that I'm sitll liking my topre, but I'm defo considering selling it and getting a Noppoo Choc Mini with blacks instead ^^' I'll keep using the HHKB for another week or two though, just to be sure!
Well, Topre is supposed to "grow on you", so giving it some time is a good idea. Personally the 45g switches are too light for me, I definitely prefer the feel of 55g.
The Choc Mini has a non standard bottom row, so if you don't like how the POM keycaps feel, you can't change them.... Keycool 84 is more compatible.
But if you're happy with using a 60% size board (like the HHKB) then why not get a Poker II? Or has the experience taught you that you need the F keys and arrows on the default layer?
I'm honestly not sure with the 60% deal.. I'll have to experiment some more. But noppoo and keycool 84 are appealing to me cause they have everything, but are still compact. I don't really miss having the "missing" keys on my HHKB though, so we'll see what I end up doing :)) I'm definitely liking topre more and more, though!
I had my Realforce locked away for maybe 2 months, took it out, fell in love, used it for a week, fell out of love, and now it its back in its box. But I know in another 2 months I will like it again.
But maybe that's just me. As I said, MX makes me love Topre and Topre makes me love MX. If you can, try to have both :)
Man, you're so deep I can't even see you down there :)) anyways.. I'd like to have only one keyboard (dont lynch me, plz!) at a time.. I don't like having something I don't useI had my Realforce locked away for maybe 2 months, took it out, fell in love, used it for a week, fell out of love, and now it its back in its box. But I know in another 2 months I will like it again.
But maybe that's just me. As I said, MX makes me love Topre and Topre makes me love MX. If you can, try to have both :)
YES you get that similar feeling like all hostages get when trapped into a failed relationship (thorpie-addiction). After some time it becomes the ONLY keyboard you have ever used.
Once you tear yourself away and use a real cherry based keyboard then everything becomes normal again, but who again is normal here on Geekhack ;D ?
Which mx switch type you mean? Clears perhaps? possibly so.
Don't think broken in MX browns ever get as smooth as Topre. Just Never. Or you maybe drown the mx switch in oil...
Indeed. Due to this thread I got curious and tried my browns again, but they feel more 'grainy' than my Topre. I think my HHKB is butter smooth. Weirdest thing is that where I first found the tactile feedback lacking, I somehow got used to not bottoming out on my Topre's.
I'd like to see it..sorry, I just don't believe when people say that..Unless you type really slow and in a very oddball fashion (which is also slow) like the like palm of your finger (or whatever it is called..the part w/ your finger prints) like I've seen some person video themselves doing...then I have a hard time believing anyone that says they're not bottoming out at all...
OR you have 30g Topre...in which case I think it is possble...
I have to agree with this.
There is simply no way you can type normally or fast without bottoming out on Topre. Unless you can control your actuation force within fractions of a second. This is difficult at full concentration. Pressing light on the bump and then increasing until you get over the bump then lessening so you don't bottom out which is like a millimeter of distance (from actuation to bottom out).
Yeah... Not possible. Perhaps Topre is so smooth after breaking in its giving you the illusion of not bottoming out. That seems more likely.
Good point. Well, it's all subjective I guess. My 45g Topre feels harder to actuate than my 45g Browns, but I do agree that when typing fast I bottom out a lot more. Perhaps it is indeed the smoothness to it that gives me the impression of not bottoming out. Perhaps a difference is that the HHKB is not plate-mountend, making it feel 'softer' somehow compared to my plate-mounted Filco.
Man, you're so deep I can't even see you down there :)) anyways.. I'd like to have only one keyboard (dont lynch me, plz!) at a time.. I don't like having something I don't useI had my Realforce locked away for maybe 2 months, took it out, fell in love, used it for a week, fell out of love, and now it its back in its box. But I know in another 2 months I will like it again.
But maybe that's just me. As I said, MX makes me love Topre and Topre makes me love MX. If you can, try to have both :)
YES you get that similar feeling like all hostages get when trapped into a failed relationship (thorpie-addiction). After some time it becomes the ONLY keyboard you have ever used.
Once you tear yourself away and use a real cherry based keyboard then everything becomes normal again, but who again is normal here on Geekhack ;D ?
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