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« Reply #50 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 14:21:54 »
lowpoly: This is true, although usually the nasty letters go to Cafepress, and Cafepress deletes the item.

However, in the case of the Model M shirt, it's part of the patent drawing, which is public domain once the patent is expired, IIRC. (And, it expired 11 or so years ago, IIRC.)
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« Reply #51 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 14:36:28 »
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xsphat: I already drive a Mazda Miata, the last thing I need is to wear the last one, and make more people think I swing that way. (Hint: I don't. :p)


lol :D

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The problem with the Topre t-shirt is that no female carbon based life form in the known universe will wear it. Well, xsphat's wife perhaps. When she feels kinky. And it's spring. And xsphat managed to get her drunk. And Venus is aligned with Mars in the night sky. But besides that, no one really.


If I bought it for she'd wear it. Maybe only to clean the house, but she'd wear it.
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« Reply #52 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 15:40:51 »
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@wellington

Just a quick and clumsy mashup in photoshop to get the idea across. Here's another (sexist) one:


I'd buy that topre t-shirt too! :)  Sweet.
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« Reply #53 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 15:41:50 »
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Putting company logos and copyrighted pics up for sale, even if it's cafepress, might result in some nasty letters (I like the IBM shirt too).


Damn, reality check.
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« Reply #54 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 16:30:09 »
I'm working on something, using patent drawings...

Drawings from the following patents are currently used:

4,118,611 - Buckling spring torsional snap actuator, invented by Richard Hunter Harris, assigned to International Business Machines Corporation, filed 1977-08-30
4,584,444 - Keyboard switch, invented by Takao Nagashima, assigned to Topre Corporation, filed 1984-09-21

I'm trying to find the patents for the Cherry MX and Alps switches...

Edit: Is patent 4,186,290 an Alps? It looks like one, and it belongs to Alps Electric, and was designed for computer terminal use, but I'm not 100% sure that it's actually what I'm looking for. Take a look at the diagrams here. (They're in TIFF format, though, so you'll need a TIFF plugin such as AlternaTIFF to view them.)

I'm gonna use figure 7 (on sheet 5, which is page 6) if it is, because that one matches the style of the other drawings I've got.

Edit 2: Or 4,249,055 is also mentioned for that application...

Edit 3: Looks like 4,467,160 is the Cherry MX (and I also found the ML.) Annoyingly, that patent doesn't have any drawings in the same style...
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« Reply #55 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 17:17:34 »
Here's what I've come up with, although that Cherry switch needs to be changed.

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« Reply #56 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 17:30:22 »
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Here's what I've come up with, although that Cherry switch needs to be changed.


nice.  I'd want the pics to be small to medium though (not excessively large).  Its nice that they look like real technical diagrams.  

Also for actual phrasing of the slogan I must say I'm partial to lowpoly's "Wanna switch?" :)
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« Reply #57 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 17:39:16 »
They look like real technical diagrams, because they are real technical diagrams, straight from the US patents. ;)

Actually, I wouldn't mind to see the German patent for the Cherry MX, to see if there's anything better for me to use than that exploded diagram... the real issue is that the printing on that one will wear away faster than the other diagrams.
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« Reply #58 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 17:43:38 »
Here's kinda what I had in mind (see attached):
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« Reply #59 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 17:44:34 »
That's along the lines of what I originally had in mind, too, but I started working with the other ideas. ;)
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« Reply #60 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 17:52:44 »
Ok, bhtooefr is officially in charge of designing the first t-shirt.  ;)

I REALLY like what you're doing with it.
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« Reply #61 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 18:48:34 »
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I like both Chloe's and webwit's ideas.  Hell, I'd even wear one of the ladies tanks with the Cherry switch on it. :)


Thanks itlnstln. :)
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« Reply #62 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 19:09:02 »
Still haven't found a suitable drawing of the MX - if/when I do find one, all of them will get resized.

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« Reply #63 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 19:38:13 »
I am liking it, nice job!

there is no room for a rubber dome? /ducks/
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« Reply #64 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 19:43:01 »
Note that there's barely enough room for that Cherry. :p

Besides, rubber domes are what just about everyone uses, most people on here that would buy that shirt (or post here, for that matter) do it because they use something different. ;)
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« Reply #65 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 20:15:25 »
yeah, thats true....
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« Reply #66 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 22:45:41 »
You know, I just noticed my sig. :D

(I think it'll get edited once these t-shirts are released...)
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« Reply #67 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 23:49:05 »
bhtooefr: sweet! nice job

imav: I like the keys design too. How about on the same t-shirt putting the keys in front and the technical drawings with 'wanna switch' on the back?
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« Reply #68 on: Sat, 15 November 2008, 23:50:18 »
you know honestly, I also still really want to buy those ibm and topre shirts, illegal or not!  Seriously. I'm totally serious. Those are very neat designs.
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« Reply #69 on: Sun, 16 November 2008, 17:22:43 »
Well, I'm going with what I've got... so final versions:

Light shirt:


Dark shirt:


I'm gonna send the full resolution (and transparent - I left backgrounds in to show what it'd really look like, on those two) copies to iMav...
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« Reply #70 on: Sun, 16 November 2008, 17:27:36 »
Nice. I like the cherry switch that Chloe suggested better though. But that may not be doable.?
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« Reply #71 on: Sun, 16 November 2008, 17:30:54 »
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Nice. I like the cherry switch that Chloe suggested better though. But that may not be doable.?


Resolution is way too low on that image (she got it from the Cherry site,) and the legality could be questionable.

There's a reason I only used patent drawings. ;)
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« Reply #72 on: Sun, 16 November 2008, 18:08:59 »
I think the design looks great.  If anyone is up to creating other designs, feel free.  Choice is a good thing!

(that being said, I'm very happy with what we have now and very much appreciate the effort)
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« Reply #73 on: Sun, 16 November 2008, 18:25:59 »
no offense, it looks fine as is.
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« Reply #74 on: Sun, 16 November 2008, 22:01:27 »
Well, I uploaded the images to cafepress and created an initial store here.
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« Reply #75 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 00:41:12 »
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Well, I uploaded the images to cafepress and created an initial store here.


Its nice and I especially like it on a black tee :)
One observation, the second keyswitch (from the left) shows up only very lightly. Not as pronounced as the others. Not that I think that really matters.

I'd second webwit's suggestion for an additional simpler version with smaller fonts and possibly without the drawings. A simple version might be just the right thing for folks like webwit and others who prefer non-loud t-shirts (loudness is relative of course, but I know a lot of people are sensitive about what they're wearing).  

For the not-as-loud version, why not put the keycaps image (of "geekhack.org') in front (not too big), and under it "wanna switch?" in small font?  (both should be relatively small, since the idea is for a subtler tee)

that way the two main designs we've talked about in this thread would be available... and choice would be a great thing :)

[if the keycap image above isnt showing up well on different colored tees, then maybe just model M keycaps for all the letters. Those should show up well on any background color, and are 'classics'].
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« Reply #76 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 00:52:31 »
p.s., a third variation on this same design could be the current tee (i.e., with the drawings at current size) but with much smaller fonts on both "geekhack.org" and "wanna switch?").
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« Reply #77 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 01:05:22 »
I need to take some time and read up on the image requirements for cafepress.  (for some reason, they don't like my keycap image)

Maybe bhtooefr can help.  :)
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« Reply #78 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 01:16:36 »
From a distance, the keyswitch diagrams look like chinese characters. :) Kinda funky.
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« Reply #79 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 01:18:41 »
iMav, now that you're going to have all kinds of merchandise, surely some creative contests for said merchandise is the next step ;)
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« Reply #80 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 01:25:53 »
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iMav, now that you're going to have all kinds of merchandise, surely some creative contests for said merchandise is the next step ;)

Interesting you should mention that.

Early on, I had envisioned a HHKB Pro giveaway contest that would be essay-based.  Something cheesy like, "how would a HHKB complete me?"  But it turned out that, at the time, so many members already HAD HHKB's that it would've been a waste (and I couldn't think of another keyboard that would be as universally coveted by the membership).

As many know here, I regularly give keyboards away to members.  (no real rhyme or reason to it...just when I feel like it)  I could certainly see randomly rewarding good posts/reviews/etc with free geekhack merchandise.  (bhtooefr certainly should get a free t-shirt)  ;)
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« Reply #81 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 05:16:45 »
The reason the second image shows up so faintly is because the lines are much thinner.

Image requirements for CafePress t-shirts... optimal is 2000x2000, 200 DPI, PNG. Anything else will give subpar results. Using transparency is good, too, and is required on dark shirts. (IIRC, on light shirts, white is treated as transparent.)
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« Reply #82 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 05:57:16 »
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Still haven't found a suitable drawing of the MX - if/when I do find one, all of them will get resized.

Show Image


Looks like I found my new desktop wallpaper...
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« Reply #83 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 06:17:31 »
What resolution is your screen? I can do some cropping and scaling, if you want to go that route.

Also, what sort of background and foreground colors do you want?

(I've got the 2000x2000 original in front of me. ;))
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« Reply #84 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 07:23:03 »
My screen resolution is 1280 x 1024 (x2) and my base color is RGB 26,26,26.  I think a 900 x 900 version with white text and a 26,26,26 base color would be sweet.  Thanks!!!
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« Reply #85 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 07:28:30 »
See the new desktop (with existing image)...
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« Reply #86 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 07:55:32 »
Is that 0d26 or 0x26? ;)
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« Reply #87 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 08:12:55 »
Not sure.  I just pulled those numbers from the Display Properties screen in Windows (XP x64).  It should be a really dark grey (almost black).  I appologize; my graphic arts skillz suck.
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« Reply #88 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 08:23:08 »
Well, both 26,26,26 decimal and #262626 (HTML hexadecimal notation) are a really dark, almost black grey. But, the first one is a slightly darker grey - #1a1a1a, in HTML notation.

And, checking the properties box, it's in decimal, so...

http://bhtooefr.ath.cx/images/itlnstlnbackground.png
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« Reply #89 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 08:46:45 »
Perfect!!!  Thanks!!!
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« Reply #90 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 08:51:34 »
Check it:
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« Reply #91 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 16:25:21 »
So I just found out that I used the wrong Alps switch. I used the Alps leaf spring switch, not the Bigfoot switch that is liked on this forum.

So, I'll be editing everything, and making new versions, and sending them to iMav. ;)

Also, because of the change, the Alps Bigfoot is actually the newest switch, meaning the Topre gets moved to the left.
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« Reply #92 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 16:31:49 »
I didn't realize you had them in date order.  Do you have the dates available to post (or did I miss them in another post)?
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« Reply #93 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 16:39:58 »
http://bhtooefr.ath.cx/images/itlnstlnbgnew.png <-- new version of the background

Updated shirt images are going to iMav... I'll get a link for the dates, and the Alps Bigfoot patent was filed July 11, 1985.
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« Reply #94 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 16:43:20 »
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« Reply #95 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 16:49:42 »
Awesome.  I already updated my background.
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« Reply #96 on: Mon, 17 November 2008, 20:13:55 »
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Updated shirt images are going to iMav...

Cafepress store updated.
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« Reply #97 on: Tue, 18 November 2008, 05:35:34 »
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Cafepress store updated.



Imav how about your "geekhack.org" image?
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« Reply #98 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 19:11:53 »
this is my idea, would kind of get what we are about and be obscure.

Sorry its in txt, but I couldn't think of another way

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with probably geekhack.org printed on the back of the shirt
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« Reply #99 on: Fri, 21 November 2008, 19:14:12 »
Thats clever! : )
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