[IC] GMK 60's Happy Life(Old name Trooper feat.HHKB layout)-GB Opened

[LifeZ]

join with me and CLS SxH

[robbles]

The closest thing I've seen to a GMK clone of the standard HHKB set! Well done.

• Would it be possible to have a R3 Control key without the Caps Lock icon like the HHKB set? Also not sure what is possible with GMK, but a diamond icon or Code text on the 1.5u R4 keys would be preferable over seeing Control printed twice on the keyset.
• Seconded the front printing on GMK sets looks bad. Its small and hard to read.

This would go great on the TINA-A from KBDFans as well! For those of us who can't wait or afford the new Duck.

[roostrc0gburn]

i am all over the single-tone base kit. even if it wont work for many layouts, i can still use the alphas from this kit and mods from another to cover any layout.

[lanyusea]

wow duck is making a HHKB-style keeb!

[Puddsy]

wow duck is making a HHKB-style keeb!

viper?

[Unforgivable]

Hello.
I'd like to make new Interesting check.
Maybe many 60~70% mini users are very interesting this sets.

Now Duck0113 have been preparing New keyboard for mini and it will be HHKB style with asymmetry bottom row as same with HHKB. (See the last picture)
So I have been designing keycaps.

Please find the below,
Two sets are considered.
(1) Two tone.
     Alphas : CR on GR1
     Modi : CR on 2B
(2) One tone
     All CR on N9

Rendering will be additionally modified as below,
[Base Kit]
This set is for Trooper and Viper
1. Two tone
     - R2 backspace : Change to normal arrow
     - R4 Alt key : Change to Opt legends inclination
     - R4 control key will be changed below
        diamond icon needed(left position)
        Command mark inclination and increase size
     - Add 7U space bar for Viper user
2. One tone
     - R1 : delete duplicated | \ key.
     - R2 backspace : Change to normal arrow
     - R4 Alt key : Change to Opt legends inclination
     - R4 control key will be changed below
        diamond icon needed(left position)
        Command mark inclination and increase size
     - Add 7U space bar for Viper user

[Extended Kit]
Rendering for extended kit will be prepared. Just please check the keys. (Icon modi design)
This is for normal 60~70% user including 660M.


Maybe one tone kit and Extended kit will be progressed in only GB.
But two tone base kit will be possible to buy after finishing GB. (little bit higher price than GB)
Current plan but not fixed yet.

I will come back with updated rendering and I will prepare the poll for this interesting check. 

[Two tone base kit initial design]
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[One tone base kit initial design]
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[Extended kit - reference]
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[Duck0113 Trooper design render]
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Coco, can a grey 1u ~ key and 1.50u |\ be added?

[cocobrais]

Hello.
I'd like to make new Interesting check.
Maybe many 60~70% mini users are very interesting this sets.

Now Duck0113 have been preparing New keyboard for mini and it will be HHKB style with asymmetry bottom row as same with HHKB. (See the last picture)
So I have been designing keycaps.

Please find the below,
Two sets are considered.
(1) Two tone.
     Alphas : CR on GR1
     Modi : CR on 2B
(2) One tone
     All CR on N9

Rendering will be additionally modified as below,
[Base Kit]
This set is for Trooper and Viper
1. Two tone
     - R2 backspace : Change to normal arrow
     - R4 Alt key : Change to Opt legends inclination
     - R4 control key will be changed below
        diamond icon needed(left position)
        Command mark inclination and increase size
     - Add 7U space bar for Viper user
2. One tone
     - R1 : delete duplicated | \ key.
     - R2 backspace : Change to normal arrow
     - R4 Alt key : Change to Opt legends inclination
     - R4 control key will be changed below
        diamond icon needed(left position)
        Command mark inclination and increase size
     - Add 7U space bar for Viper user

[Extended Kit]
Rendering for extended kit will be prepared. Just please check the keys. (Icon modi design)
This is for normal 60~70% user including 660M.


Maybe one tone kit and Extended kit will be progressed in only GB.
But two tone base kit will be possible to buy after finishing GB. (little bit higher price than GB)
Current plan but not fixed yet.

I will come back with updated rendering and I will prepare the poll for this interesting check. 

[Two tone base kit initial design]
(Attachment Link)


[One tone base kit initial design]
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[Extended kit - reference]
(Attachment Link)


[Duck0113 Trooper design render]
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Coco, can a grey 1u ~ key and 1.50u |\ be added?

I requested rendering update to GMK.(huge update)  grey 1.50u |\ was included. But 1u ~ was not. If it will be necessary, it will be included in next update.

[ideus]

The double tone set will be a success in a group buy, there is no reason for keeping it for a second off group buy offering.

[cocobrais]

Design is updated!   

[xondat]

Still like it!

What is the point of the gray | \ key?

[cocobrais]

Still like it!

What is the point of the gray | \ key?

Someone likes the gray | \ key for symmetry color. So added. Maybe R1 gray ~ ` also need for them. (If really needed)

[jebbra]

Just see the update. Very very nice compatibility and OH GOD THAT REAL MAC OS KEYS! Is that double shot or pad-printed combination?

[cocobrais]

Just see the update. Very very nice compatibility and OH GOD THAT REAL MAC OS KEYS! Is that double shot or pad-printed combination?

Excepting Side Legends, all double shot. Bottom key like HHKB is new mold with Double shot.

[TalkingTree]

Still like it!

What is the point of the gray | \ key?

Someone likes the gray | \ key for symmetry color. So added. Maybe R1 gray ~ ` also need for them. (If really needed)

You might want to offer a grey ISO key (the one that goes on the right of the 1.25u shift) as well for simmetry.

[oatmicro]

I'm so ready for this

[ideus]

It is so close to be the ideal sixty set for my needs, I just can wish it included a row three tilde; but, it is a special key for those few that use the XT layout in a sixty, that's too selfish to be a valid request that I will not ask for it, just keep wishing.


Say your price and you can get my money.


Edit: I shall save enough to get at least two sets, so please take your time to open the buy, let my wallet overcome the holidays'.


More edit: This is what I meant by XT 60:

[xondat]

Still like it!

What is the point of the gray | \ key?

Someone likes the gray | \ key for symmetry color. So added. Maybe R1 gray ~ ` also need for them. (If really needed)

This is what confuses me.

Traditionally, the HHKB has the |\ on the left, and the ~` on the right:



So shouldn't you offer a gray and white ~`, and a white |\? Or a gray and white of both? 

[rpeterclark]

Oh man, this keyset and board look so fine.

[Rafa_n]

Will there be an EU proxy for this?

[cocobrais]

It is so close to be the ideal sixty set for my needs, I just can wish it included a row three tilde; but, it is a special key for those few that use the XT layout in a sixty, that's too selfish to be a valid request that I will not ask for it, just keep wishing.


Say your price and you can get my money.


Edit: I shall save enough to get at least two sets, so please take your time to open the buy, let my wallet overcome the holidays'.


More edit: This is what I meant by XT 60:

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I will consider your opinion because  I hope to make perfect mini 60% layout  as possible as I can.
Regarding price, I didn't receive the quote yet.  But If I will receive  it, I will. 

[cocobrais]

Still like it!

What is the point of the gray | \ key?

Someone likes the gray | \ key for symmetry color. So added. Maybe R1 gray ~ ` also need for them. (If really needed)

This is what confuses me.

Traditionally, the HHKB has the |\ on the left, and the ~` on the right:

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So shouldn't you offer a gray and white ~`, and a white |\? Or a gray and white of both?

I understand. I want to make  both. I will  update. ^^

[cocobrais]

Will there be an EU proxy for this?

I will try to make  EU proxy. Currently not fixed but in my plan, EU and US is needed.

[OracleKev]

Hi Brais, good to see you here.  Very nice design concept and color!

Couple of feedback on the latest update (11/26)

#1 R1 Home key
R1 Home key is missing.  Some 65% layouts have Home next to BS.
I don't know how important this is.

#2 > - Does it need the F1~F12 for 75%? How much increase the cost from adding this keys?
IMO, this concept is close knit with Happy/6x% so unless MoQ is at risk, it's more important to keep the cost down than expand layout support.
If for some reason layout support needs to be expanded, I think TKL is better target than 75%.  Lots more users and it only takes extra ~6 keys [from 75%] to get there.

[cocobrais]

Hi Brais, good to see you here.  Very nice design concept and color!

Couple of feedback on the latest update (11/26)

#1 R1 Home key
R1 Home key is missing.  Some 65% layouts have Home next to BS.
I don't know how important this is.

#2 > - Does it need the F1~F12 for 75%? How much increase the cost from adding this keys?
IMO, this concept is close knit with Happy/6x% so unless MoQ is at risk, it's more important to keep the cost down than expand layout support.
If for some reason layout support needs to be expanded, I think TKL is better target than 75%.  Lots more users and it only takes extra ~6 keys [from 75%] to get there.

Hi.
1) R1 Home key : will consider. 
2) F1~F12 : in my experience maybe 4~6 euro  increasing expected. But I  don't know exactly.
                  You are right. if F1~F12 added, TKL is  very close. I'd like to focus to 6x%.
Now still design developing stage and don't need hurry. Continuosly  hear the voice from users. 

[ideus]

Hi Brais, good to see you here.  Very nice design concept and color!

Couple of feedback on the latest update (11/26)

#1 R1 Home key
R1 Home key is missing.  Some 65% layouts have Home next to BS.
I don't know how important this is.

#2 > - Does it need the F1~F12 for 75%? How much increase the cost from adding this keys?
IMO, this concept is close knit with Happy/6x% so unless MoQ is at risk, it's more important to keep the cost down than expand layout support.
If for some reason layout support needs to be expanded, I think TKL is better target than 75%.  Lots more users and it only takes extra ~6 keys [from 75%] to get there.

Hi.
1) R1 Home key : will consider. 
2) F1~F12 : in my experience maybe 4~6 euro  increasing expected. But I  don't know exactly.
                  You are right. if F1~F12 added, TKL is  very close. I'd like to focus to 6x%.
Now still design developing stage and don't need hurry. Continuosly  hear the voice from users.

Breaking the boundary between sub-TKL to TKL will make the project grows into a full set that is not the original spirit of it. Just rising a yellow flag.

[cocobrais]

Hi Brais, good to see you here.  Very nice design concept and color!

Couple of feedback on the latest update (11/26)

#1 R1 Home key
R1 Home key is missing.  Some 65% layouts have Home next to BS.
I don't know how important this is.

#2 > - Does it need the F1~F12 for 75%? How much increase the cost from adding this keys?
IMO, this concept is close knit with Happy/6x% so unless MoQ is at risk, it's more important to keep the cost down than expand layout support.
If for some reason layout support needs to be expanded, I think TKL is better target than 75%.  Lots more users and it only takes extra ~6 keys [from 75%] to get there.

Hi.
1) R1 Home key : will consider. 
2) F1~F12 : in my experience maybe 4~6 euro  increasing expected. But I  don't know exactly.
                  You are right. if F1~F12 added, TKL is  very close. I'd like to focus to 6x%.
Now still design developing stage and don't need hurry. Continuosly  hear the voice from users.

Breaking the boundary between sub-TKL to TKL will make the project grows into a full set that is not the original spirit of it. Just rising a yellow flag.

yes. I also same opinion. 6x% focused!!

[schmoktopus]

Is there any chance for a Norde kit? Only thing that keeps me from joining.

[xondat]

Is there any chance for a Norde kit? Only thing that keeps me from joining.

Doubt it as it's a very focused set. This'll just add unnecessary keys that will raise the price. International kits are silly in practice as they never hit MOQ (on average you'd need 2500 base sets to hit 100 MOQ).

[cocobrais]

Is there any chance for a Norde kit? Only thing that keeps me from joining.

Always I try to make  a Norde kit but many users always tell that MOQ reach is very difficult. As you know, many GB ran to have Norde kit in massdrop and participant is very small.
So I don't have any plan to make Norde kit in this GB.

[avid]

Is there any chance for a Norde kit? Only thing that keeps me from joining.

Laser just sold 1500 base-kit and norde is in the 70s (but they will be produced). Child kits has MOQ 100 usually so will be impossible outside MD.

Also i quite like this concept! How much approx is one kit going to cost?

[cocobrais]

Is there any chance for a Norde kit? Only thing that keeps me from joining.

Laser just sold 1500 base-kit and norde is in the 70s (but they will be produced). Child kits has MOQ 100 usually so will be impossible outside MD.

Also i quite like this concept! How much approx is one kit going to cost?

I didn't receive the quote yet. Maybe next time I will receive the qoute from GMK and estimate the rough cost.

[MMKB]

Interested! Honestly I wish more keysets can offer 60%-specific child kit.

[SynkRz]

Definitely interested! is there a thread on KBDLab too?

[TalkingTree]

How about numpad numbers on the bottom right corner of the respective keys?
Like so.

[cocobrais]

Definitely interested! is there a thread on KBDLab too?

Not yet make a thread on KBDLab. I focus on geekhack now but I will make a thread in KBDLab too.

[cocobrais]

How about numpad numbers on the bottom right corner of the respective keys?
Like so.

if it will be made by double shout, new mold needed. Pad printing on top will be deleted after long time using. So just side pad printing. But I don't want to make it because I think that 60% custom users use many different setting. Please understand my opinion.

[TalkingTree]

Please understand my opinion.

I surely do.

[ideus]

Is the Duck's Trooper going to get its own IC soon?

[cocobrais]

Is the Duck's Trooper going to get its own IC soon?

Generally Duck's KBD GB had been one step by step and now Jetfire have been  progressing the GB.
I don't know exactly schedule but just he has been preparing the Trooper.
In the designing time, I give my idea to Duck for assymetry bottom row as HHKB and I also desige the keyset using 6x off-center space bar and bottom HHKB style.
So I hope that Trooper will be progressed to similar timing of my keyset schedule. 
 

[ideus]

Is the Duck's Trooper going to get its own IC soon?

Generally Duck's KBD GB had been one step by step and now Jetfire have been  progressing the GB.
I don't know exactly schedule but just he has been preparing the Trooper.
In the designing time, I give my idea to Duck for assymetry bottom row as HHKB and I also desige the keyset using 6x off-center space bar and bottom HHKB style.
So I hope that Trooper will be progressed to similar timing of my keyset schedule. 
 

Will the 6u off centered be a first for a Korean custom keyboard in happy style?

[AstralBandit]

Will definitely be interested in this!!

[ddot]

#1 R1 Home key
R1 Home key is missing.  Some 65% layouts have Home next to BS.

I'll add my vote for a Home key.  Obviously everyone's individual layouts vary, but I think all 4 of the Home, End, Page Up and Page Down keys should be available options for those 4 keys on the right side of a 65%.  For reference, the default layout of the Z70 was Page Up/Page Down/Home/End.

From what I've seen, most 75% keyboards (not that those are covered with this key set, but they still have that key cluster on the right) seem to go Home/Page Up/Page Down/End.  ie Vortex Race or Keycool 84.

[dubious]

definitely interested

[cocobrais]

Is the Duck's Trooper going to get its own IC soon?

Generally Duck's KBD GB had been one step by step and now Jetfire have been  progressing the GB.
I don't know exactly schedule but just he has been preparing the Trooper.
In the designing time, I give my idea to Duck for assymetry bottom row as HHKB and I also desige the keyset using 6x off-center space bar and bottom HHKB style.
So I hope that Trooper will be progressed to similar timing of my keyset schedule. 
 

Will the 6u off centered be a first for a Korean custom keyboard in happy style?

Yes. First. We have to try various layouts to evolution custom market!

[cocobrais]

#1 R1 Home key
R1 Home key is missing.  Some 65% layouts have Home next to BS.

I'll add my vote for a Home key.  Obviously everyone's individual layouts vary, but I think all 4 of the Home, End, Page Up and Page Down keys should be available options for those 4 keys on the right side of a 65%.  For reference, the default layout of the Z70 was Page Up/Page Down/Home/End.

From what I've seen, most 75% keyboards (not that those are covered with this key set, but they still have that key cluster on the right) seem to go Home/Page Up/Page Down/End.  ie Vortex Race or Keycool 84.

I fully understand your comment. I will consider your opinion.  In this case I have to add the R1 home/page up,
R2 page down, R3 Home. Mayne not problem.

[ideus]

Is the Duck's Trooper going to get its own IC soon?

Generally Duck's KBD GB had been one step by step and now Jetfire have been  progressing the GB.
I don't know exactly schedule but just he has been preparing the Trooper.
In the designing time, I give my idea to Duck for assymetry bottom row as HHKB and I also desige the keyset using 6x off-center space bar and bottom HHKB style.
So I hope that Trooper will be progressed to similar timing of my keyset schedule. 
 

Will the 6u off centered be a first for a Korean custom keyboard in happy style?

Yes. First. We have to try various layouts to evolution custom market!

That's what I thought and I think it is awesome to have a true happy MX layout in a custom Korean.

[cocobrais]

Design was updated but we have to go ahead more to meet the final design.

[ideus]

The current revised layout is very well thought, even the additional navigation keys for over sixty percent layouts are well selected and the second 2.25u shift is good to cover FC660 and similar layouts. I just hope that the price still be affordable.


One suggestion: Add F and J with bars. Many people prefer them and having the option for either typing home position markers is wise.

[cocobrais]

The current revised layout is very well thought, even the additional navigation keys for over sixty percent layouts are well selected and the second 2.25u shift is good to cover FC660 and similar layouts. I just hope that the price still be affordable.


One suggestion: Add F and J with bars. Many people prefer them and having the option for either typing home position markers is wise.

How do you think about the delete all function keys for 65% and add the R1~R4 blank keys?
I will consider the your  suggestion. F and J with bar is very comfortable to fine the typing position. I think that this is very important in specially mini KBD using many fn+alpha.

Maybe I need to make a poll to decide my options.

[ideus]

The current revised layout is very well thought, even the additional navigation keys for over sixty percent layouts are well selected and the second 2.25u shift is good to cover FC660 and similar layouts. I just hope that the price still be affordable.


One suggestion: Add F and J with bars. Many people prefer them and having the option for either typing home position markers is wise.

How do you think about the delete all function keys for 65% and add the R1~R4 blank keys?
I will consider the your  suggestion. F and J with bar is very comfortable to fine the typing position. I think that this is very important in specially mini KBD using many fn+alpha.

Maybe I need to make a poll to decide my options.

Ofering 65% coverage is a complex goal. How to achieve it,  is not an easy call and I think that only you that has full pricing data can make the best choice. The blank keys may be the more efficient way to cover 65% boards, however, some of them require double R1 and R2 keys like Varmilo's and the second 2.25 shift and arrows are required, as well. I'd say run the poll and see how much interest 65% coverage calls.


Edit: Some pictures that may be of help here.


https://imgur.com/a/trxLT


More edit: The set is only missing two keys to fully cover the upcoming GMK Uniqey C70 keyboard's layout: R1 Home and R2 End keys. Personally, I'd love to see the numpad secondary legends as well, but just dreaming.