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Title: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Fri, 01 May 2020, 16:02:48
Hi all!

Today is the day! Thank you for waiting patiently for all this time. My first GB, my first custom design, the MC-76K "Fat Boy" is available for order. If you've been following the development in the IC thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101040.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101040.0)), then you should already know most of the details, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the support that you guys have been giving me. If this is the first time that you hear about this project then, please look at the details carefully as it is a little different from other customs.

First let's take a look at some renders and the prototype. Thanks to Proji Keep Look (https://www.youtube.com/user/proboy84 (https://www.youtube.com/user/proboy84)) for the nice pictures and typing videos :D

(https://i.imgur.com/V12lbXm.png)
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(https://i.imgur.com/bK2eWly.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/f775YAg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oLr8zKs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ofto1UK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9iGqyu2.jpg)
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This keyboard was designed with two goals in my mind: I want it to last, and want it to be customizable.

When I said I want it "to last" I mean 20 or 30 years from now, I want to still be able to use this keyboard, just like how we're still using the Model F or even the Beamspring.

When I said I want it to be customizable, I wanted this to be a platform for us for experiment with switches, plates, controllers, mountings, etc.
Next, I'll try to explain each of the design decisions that I made to satisfy the two main goals of this project.

First, the Fat Boy has covers on the top and back instead of the bottom like most keyboards. This design allows the keyboard to be easily opened up so that you can get inside of it with minimum effort. No keyboard flipping required (unless you want to mess with bumpons).

The Fat Boy comes standard with CNCed top-cover with side-mount screws to hide it from view for aesthetic reasons, and a laser-cut friendly back cover, which can be customized easily to support any custom connectors that you desire. A new poodle-shaped connector becomes a new standard 44 years from now? No problem, just replace the back cover with the cutouts for the new poodle-shaped connector.

But wait!, there are more you can do with the covers. The Fat Boy also has extra screw holes to support laser-cut top cover. This allows you to easily customize the top cover to support different layouts, leds, knobs, connectors, etc. As you can see, the prototype is taking some advantage of this feature :)

Here are some concept renders from an old model to get the idea across:

(https://i.imgur.com/PMDPdsU.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5Yf0Y5z.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/7O6lOLR.png)

Next, the Fat Boy has a unique mounting system that allows you to easily experiment with different way to cushion your plate. I'll let the picture explain this one. This allows you to easily swap out the included silicon o-rings with many other materials. This also allows you to easily replace the standard o-rings 20 years from now when they finally lose their elasticity. No worries about custom gaskets disintegrating in the future.

(https://i.imgur.com/9l4N4Xh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xloCAW3.jpg)

Next, the PCB with a removable controller. This totally separate the matrix from the controller. Just like how the controller on the Model F and the Beamspring works, you can very easily remove the controller from the matrix. This is done not only so that 44 years down the line you can replace the controller to support the now standard poodle-shaped connector, but also for us modders to be able to easily change the matrix for new layouts or new switches. Since you can have more matrix than controllers, you can have a matrix of linears and a matrix of clickies, and switch between them in minutes.

(https://i.imgur.com/gUJ1VHo.jpg)

Okay, now that're familiar with the goods, here's the specs and prices:

- Price per kit is 460USD + 5% to cover Paypal fees + actual shipping
- I can accept Payment through Paypal only
- MoQ is 20, no hard maximum, but I don't think I can handle much more than 50 units, so FCFS may apply when I have to make the cut-of.
- At 50 units I'll be able to absorb the Paypal Fee
- You will get an invoice for the order after MoQ is met
- You will get another invoice for the shipping cost once the keyboard is ready to be shipped
- The shipping will be from where I live, Bangkok, Thailand.

- Each kit includes:
   - Case
       - CNCed 6063 aluminium
       - Two anodize color choices: Silver or Black
       - Top cover (CNCed with side-mount screws)
        - Back cover (Laser-cut)
        - 5.6 degree typing angle
    - Plate
       - Aluminium
       - Support MX switches only
       - Support one layout only (check layout picture below)
       - Silver only
   - 1 set of PCBs (matrix + controller)
      - Matrix support MX or Alps switches
      - QMK
      - USB-C
      - Holtite friendly
      - No RGB, sorry :(
   - All the required hardware: screws, o-rings, bumpons.

- Extra plate+PCB set is 60USD per set (plate + matrix + controller)
   - 35USD for just an extra plate+matrix PCB
   - At 50 units of extra plate+matrix PCB, price will be reduced to 30USD

- Estimated timeline:
   - GB period 02-May-2020 - 02-June-2020
   - Production time + shipping to me for packaging 60-75 days
   - Packaging and shipping 15 days

(https://i.imgur.com/9AisDZi.png)

Now, on to some less positive details:

The plate currently does not support ISO, which means ISO is not "officially" supported, yet. This is due to my own lack of confidence and I'm very sorry to all the ISO users that are let down. I have never used ISO before, and I want to reduce my chances of making costly mistakes in the production units, so I've decided to not risk it. However, I've already asked Yiancar, the PCB designer to add ISO support to the PCB, so if the project is a success, I'll do a special run of ISO plates for those who want it.

And finally, a disclaimer, please read this carefully before committing to purchase:

I could not get a "high-end" machine-shop to work with me on this project. I'm not very active socially, so my connections in the community isn't the best, and because this is a low-moq project that is quite difficult to machine (or so I'm told), not a lot of shops are interested in working with me. So, for better or worse, I decided to go back to work with the shop that created the prototype, which was done quite well and I have high hopes that the production units will be even better. It is a machine-shop in China that is not specialized in or has any experience in making custom keyboards. So, please expect a solid workhorse keyboard that looks and feels great and comes with a great PCB; but please please don't expect absolute perfection in the cosmetic department. Also, please don't be mistaken that I'm asking you to accept tons of ugly imperfections, because I don't want that as well, but I am asking you up-front to accept some minor imperfections. Please don't see this keyboard as a precious art-piece, but a functional tool that is meant for years and years of daily use. I own many custom keyboards, I know how they should look, and I'm not setting my bar low, so what I can promise you is by taking your money, I'm responsible to deliver a custom keyboard worth that amount.

Now that you've read EVERYTHING, here's the link to order form:
https://forms.gle/JvFsjKGLPYoA5EeB9 (https://forms.gle/JvFsjKGLPYoA5EeB9)


Thank you once again for all your support, interests and patients, especially during this hard time. Stay safe and healthy. I hope this is the beginning of something awesome for us keyboard lovers!

- Maethee "Eddie" Chongchitnant (a.k.a. mustcode)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Sat, 02 May 2020, 04:29:41
5/13/2020
Some invoices have been sent out :)
You can check your order status here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhCivzmeaHlIKTPpzk6lYt_TLM5uaPaDWQbu7jDKEMw/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhCivzmeaHlIKTPpzk6lYt_TLM5uaPaDWQbu7jDKEMw/edit?usp=sharing)
I update this manually, so please let me know if you have any questions or if I made any mistakes.

6/03/2020
Group buy is now closed. Will be waiting for invoices to be paid (or canceled) and I'll give the final count for the order to the factory.

6/08/2020
The factory has accepted the order and the quote is as expected. Funds will be added to my credit card and put down the deposit tomorrow.

6/09/2020
Deposit is paid to the factory. They should be able to start production soon after the payment is cleared for them.

7/07/2020
Factory started packing the cases, full balance is paid for and the factory should begin shipping the case to me soon.

8/06/2020
The shipment has arrived at my home! I've built a production unit with the prototype PCB to confirm that everything fits together properly, and everything fits!
So next we'll go ahead and order all the PCBs and while we wait for the PCBs to be manufactured, I'll prepare the rest of the packaging.

9/06/2020
The PCBs has arrived and flashed. Randomly tested around 10 sets, which all worked. Next is packing and figuring out the shipping cost. I'll start invoicing for the shipping cost once I figure out the shipping estimates :)

9/17/2020
I've started sending out invoices for the shipping cost. I've only invoiced about 1/3 of all participants, so don't be alarmed if you haven't received it yet.
And since I can't carry 30+ boxes to the post office by myself, my plan is to visit the post office a couple of times a week starting this Saturday and send out as many units as I can each visit.
I'm sorry I can't do this fast enough as I can only do this after I got off work and on weekends, but I'll keep you guys updated on the progress as much as I can :)

10/22/2020
Almost forgot to update this. All units shipped :)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 04 May 2020, 11:10:28
Approved :thumb:

(Image attachments are pretty broken right now site-wide, please upload pics to an external image hosting service and update the OP)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: fcoury on Mon, 04 May 2020, 11:17:56
This looks fantastic!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Mon, 04 May 2020, 11:19:47
Approved :thumb:

(Image attachments are pretty broken right now site-wide, please upload pics to an external image hosting service and update the OP)
Thank you so much! I'm going to fix the images right now  :thumb:
edit: images fixed!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: biothermal on Mon, 04 May 2020, 11:48:16

Show Image
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Woww some of these photos are bonkers. Really excited by how that proto turned out.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Jaltr on Mon, 04 May 2020, 11:55:59
I'll be joining this in a couple weeks or so.. hope the 50 units arent out by then

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Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Mon, 04 May 2020, 12:12:20
Congrats to mustcode on the GB launch, just filled out my GB entry! Been a great time following the IC, and I can't wait to build this!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Mon, 04 May 2020, 12:44:49
Thank you! I'll do my best to make the Fat Boy live up to your expectations :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Mon, 04 May 2020, 12:47:48
Well, I'm in
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: f1 on Mon, 04 May 2020, 14:09:58
You suggested mustcode, now we must code on this don't we!
All the best with the GB!

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Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Solotov on Mon, 04 May 2020, 21:43:24
In! 60% with F-row is what I have been looking for :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Sycomore on Tue, 05 May 2020, 00:49:50
I've been keeping up to date with this project since it's initial IC post. Hope to get one next week if I can, if I can't congratulations on finally getting this project in GB phase and good luck!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: beekey on Tue, 05 May 2020, 01:29:30
This is such a cool project. Will sell some unused stuff and get one of these.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mchanneh on Tue, 05 May 2020, 07:47:51
Looks great - I'm in the GB!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 05 May 2020, 11:18:07
Wow, thank you everyone! We are already only a few units away from meeting our moq of 20! We can do this!!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Tue, 05 May 2020, 11:20:58
Do I need this board? No, I do not. Do I want this board because it’s a ****in chonker and cool as hell? Yes, yes I do.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mchanneh on Tue, 05 May 2020, 18:28:44
Hi mustcode

Quick Q- while there are extra pcb and matrices available to purchase, I can see no additional plates offered... does this assume that the switches need to be pcb mounted/5pin?

Thank you
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 05 May 2020, 21:09:08
Hi mustcode

Quick Q- while there are extra pcb and matrices available to purchase, I can see no additional plates offered... does this assume that the switches need to be pcb mounted/5pin?

Thank you
Doh! You're right, I completely forgot about extra plates. I'm going to fix it soon, thank you for pointing it out. The board should allow for both PCB-mount and plate-mount switches :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 05 May 2020, 21:31:57
Post fixed, the plate is included when you purchase an extra PCB set or matrix PCB. Sorry for the confusion :)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mchanneh on Wed, 06 May 2020, 08:43:26
Ah perfect - thanks a lot!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Wed, 06 May 2020, 12:17:17
Would it be possible to get a frosted acrylic top?
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 06 May 2020, 13:48:55
Would it be possible to get a frosted acrylic top?
Yes, all the CAD files for this project is available for you, so you can go to your preferred laser-cutting service and order the top cover, back cover, or plates in any material that's available to you. Laser cutting is not expensive, so you won't even need to spend that much.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Wed, 06 May 2020, 23:08:21
How thick is the case, and how much does it weight? I'm tempted, but at that price point and with all the disclaimers about possible cosmetic issues I'm also super hesitant. I love the look, but I didn't see an example of the top case with side screws with the prototype?

Also, is the grey color in the renderings closer to what we could expect from the grey anodizing? I'm assuming the prototype was not anodized
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 06 May 2020, 23:21:04
How thick is the case, and how much does it weight? I'm tempted, but at that price point and with all the disclaimers about possible cosmetic issues I'm also super hesitant. I love the look, but I didn't see an example of the top case with side screws with the prototype?
The case is pretty think, a little bit over 3.5cm at the tallest part and around 2cm at the front before it chamfered down to about 1cm.
It's very heavy, especially for its size. Fully built, the prototype is almost 3kg. And yes, you're right, the prototype only have the laser-cut top, the top cover with side-screws is quite expensive to make so I decided to only use the laser-cut top for the prototype. :)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 06 May 2020, 23:29:35
Also, is the grey color in the renderings closer to what we could expect from the grey anodizing? I'm assuming the prototype was not anodized

The prototype is anodized, just not colored. If you choose silver, I expect it to have the same color as the prototype. The color in the rendering is not what you'll get. It was just a grey-ish shade that I pick for the rendering in CAD, sorry if that was misleading.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: biothermal on Thu, 07 May 2020, 07:47:04
the top cover with side-screws is quite expensive to make so I decided to only use the laser-cut top for the prototype. :)

So is that the version we'll be getting in the Group Buy? I must admit I was always confused by how many options the board presented  :p
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Thu, 07 May 2020, 08:17:59
the top cover with side-screws is quite expensive to make so I decided to only use the laser-cut top for the prototype. :)

So is that the version we'll be getting in the Group Buy? I must admit I was always confused by how many options the board presented  :p
Yes, you'll be getting the top cover with side-screws as standard. These side-screws top are CNCed, so they are expensive to make just one, so I wanted to include as standard, because it'll be expensive to do it afterwards with low volume. On the other hand, the laser-cut top like the prototype are cheap to make and anyone can make their own whenever they want. The reason I included the support for the laser-cut top are so that those who want to mod the board with different layouts can make their own top cover. Also, the top cover wasn't critical to the prototype so I decided to save some funds by going with just laser-cut top cover.
I hope this clears up some of the confusions, sorry for the confusing detail ("-_-)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: biothermal on Thu, 07 May 2020, 08:27:29
the top cover with side-screws is quite expensive to make so I decided to only use the laser-cut top for the prototype. :)

So is that the version we'll be getting in the Group Buy? I must admit I was always confused by how many options the board presented  :p
Yes, you'll be getting the top cover with side-screws as standard. These side-screws top are CNCed, so they are expensive to make just one, so I wanted to include as standard, because it'll be expensive to do it afterwards with low volume. On the other hand, the laser-cut top like the prototype are cheap to make and anyone can make their own whenever they want. The reason I included the support for the laser-cut top are so that those who want to mod the board with different layouts can make their own top cover. Also, the top cover wasn't critical to the prototype so I decided to save some funds by going with just laser-cut top cover.
I hope this clears up some of the confusions, sorry for the confusing detail ("-_-)
That definitely clears it up for me. Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Krionking on Thu, 07 May 2020, 12:41:22
I'm so sad I don't have the funds for this board as of now. This would be one of my favorite boards, but alas. I think its a super cool idea though. That its a board built around the idea that you should customise it yourself.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Fri, 08 May 2020, 09:39:41
Are there hotswap sockets on the PCB? I'm assuming not because I didn't see it mentioned, but it seems like a natural fit for a keyboard that's aimed at modders

I know holtites are an option but have heard pretty negative things about them and their longevity in comparison to Kailh's sockets
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Jaltr on Fri, 08 May 2020, 09:42:34
Are there hotswap sockets on the PCB? I'm assuming not because I didn't see it mentioned, but it seems like a natural fit for a keyboard that's aimed at modders

I know holtites are an option but have heard pretty negative things about them and their longevity in comparison to Kailh's sockets
I mean, you could mod it yourself and add sockets.

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Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Fri, 08 May 2020, 09:54:54
Are there hotswap sockets on the PCB? I'm assuming not because I didn't see it mentioned, but it seems like a natural fit for a keyboard that's aimed at modders

I know holtites are an option but have heard pretty negative things about them and their longevity in comparison to Kailh's sockets
I mean, you could mod it yourself and add sockets.

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Ahh I see, I could just buy Kailh sockets and solder them onto the PCB? Please forgive my ignorance. I know holtites can be added to many PCBs (all PCBs? I know it's based on hole size), and I've heard of Mill Max sockets - but I was under the impression that Kailh sockets had to be added at design time.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Jaltr on Fri, 08 May 2020, 09:59:03
Are there hotswap sockets on the PCB? I'm assuming not because I didn't see it mentioned, but it seems like a natural fit for a keyboard that's aimed at modders

I know holtites are an option but have heard pretty negative things about them and their longevity in comparison to Kailh's sockets
I mean, you could mod it yourself and add sockets.

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Ahh I see, I could just buy Kailh sockets and solder them onto the PCB? Please forgive my ignorance. I know holtites can be added to many PCBs (all PCBs? I know it's based on hole size), and I've heard of Mill Max sockets - but I was under the impression that Kailh sockets had to be added at design time.
No worries, man. Mill max sockets are way better and sturdier than Kailh sockets. They have a longer lifetime and will last a bunch more (not sure about the amount of insertion and pull outs).

Not sure about which size mill max sockets would fit. OP, could you tell us which size would be the better option? Between 0305 or 7305 that is.

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Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: ab042896 on Fri, 08 May 2020, 10:02:54
Are there hotswap sockets on the PCB? I'm assuming not because I didn't see it mentioned, but it seems like a natural fit for a keyboard that's aimed at modders

I know holtites are an option but have heard pretty negative things about them and their longevity in comparison to Kailh's sockets
I mean, you could mod it yourself and add sockets.

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Ahh I see, I could just buy Kailh sockets and solder them onto the PCB? Please forgive my ignorance. I know holtites can be added to many PCBs (all PCBs? I know it's based on hole size), and I've heard of Mill Max sockets - but I was under the impression that Kailh sockets had to be added at design time.

Yes, Kailh sockets must be designed into the PCB, so it is not possible to add these after the fact. Millmax sockets are much superior to holtites, but once you solder them in, they are somewhat comparable to Kailh sockets.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Fri, 08 May 2020, 10:06:48
No worries, man. Mill max sockets are way better and sturdier than Kailh sockets. They have a longer lifetime and will last a bunch more (not sure about the amount of insertion and pull outs).

Thank you very much for the information, I didn't know Mill Max were better than Kailh - clearly I have no experience with either :p

That's awesome news for me. Assuming I can just solder Mill Max sockets in there, I am so in. I love the design and aesthetic of this case. My only wish is that it could be the same color as the render. In the back of my mind I was pondering if it would be possible to re-anodize it in the future but I have done zero research into whether that's even possible or how insanely expensive it might be.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Fri, 08 May 2020, 10:09:08
Yes, Kailh sockets must be designed into the PCB, so it is not possible to add these after the fact. Millmax sockets are much superior to holtites, but once you solder them in, they are somewhat comparable to Kailh sockets.

Thanks very much for the information. I need to do some more research. Can you expand on "somewhat comparable"? I'm very interested to hear people's opinions and experience.

I've wondered if it might be possible to have a custom PCB manufactured since we'd have access to the CAD files so that I could put in some contactless switches or something. But again, I'm not sure how expensive (or even possible) that would be. I know everything in the keyboard world is much cheaper in bulk haha
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Jaltr on Fri, 08 May 2020, 10:14:33
No worries, man. Mill max sockets are way better and sturdier than Kailh sockets. They have a longer lifetime and will last a bunch more (not sure about the amount of insertion and pull outs).

Thank you very much for the information, I didn't know Mill Max were better than Kailh - clearly I have no experience with either

That's awesome news for me. Assuming I can just solder Mill Max sockets in there, I am so in. I love the design and aesthetic of this case. My only wish is that it could be the same color as the render. In the back of my mind I was pondering if it would be possible to re-anodize it in the future but I have done zero research into whether that's even possible or how insanely expensive it might be.
I've never tried mill max sockets, but learned a lot about them through people that recommended them to others. Just passing my limited knowledge about them haha.

If there's a factory near you that do anodizing, you'll be fine. Maybe you could cerakote it even? I dont think it costs much and also depends on size and complexity of what you'd like. Options are endless!

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Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: ab042896 on Fri, 08 May 2020, 10:30:56
Thanks very much for the information. I need to do some more research. Can you expand on "somewhat comparable"? I'm very interested to hear people's opinions and experience.

I've wondered if it might be possible to have a custom PCB manufactured since we'd have access to the CAD files so that I could put in some contactless switches or something. But again, I'm not sure how expensive (or even possible) that would be. I know everything in the keyboard world is much cheaper in bulk haha

I suppose it's difficult to quantify, but Kailh's are more foolproof IMO. Holtites aren't soldered onto the PCB, which can lead to crooked or loose switches, it seems to be dependent on your given switch, PCB, etc.. Millmax sockets are nice because you can take virtually any non-hotswap board if you solder these guys in properly, and your switches should stay in place quite nicely. You can also feature various layouts that are impossible with Kailh sockets since they would overlap each other.

But making your own PCB is not as expensive or difficult as you may think, even at low quantities. You can start by check out ai03's PCB design guide here: https://wiki.ai03.me/, it's very well done. I've used JLCPCB to order my own PCBs before, min order is 5 PCB, which for a near full size layout cost me only around $35 CAD.

PM if you'd like any more info, don't want to derail this GB thread too much ;D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Fri, 08 May 2020, 10:34:39
Hi, I'm sorry I'm a bit late to the conversation. Yea, I wanted the PCB to support Alps, because that'll be something that's difficult to add afterwards. While Kliah sockets are nice, but I decided to have Alps and use MillMax or holtites for hotswap rather than no Alps and use Kliah sockets. I hope that's the right decisions 😉
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Fri, 08 May 2020, 10:46:31
But making your own PCB is not as expensive or difficult as you may think, even at low quantities. You can start by check out ai03's PCB design guide here: https://wiki.ai03.me/, it's very well done. I've used JLCPCB to order my own PCBs before, min order is 5 PCB, which for a near full size layout cost me only around $35 CAD.

PM if you'd like any more info, don't want to derail this GB thread too much ;D

Awesome reference there, I've never seen that guide. Thanks very much for the offer, I'll shoot you a PM soon

Hi, I'm sorry I'm a bit late to the conversation. Yea, I wanted the PCB to support Alps, because that'll be something that's difficult to add afterwards. While Kliah sockets are nice, but I decided to have Alps and use MillMax or holtites for hotswap rather than no Alps and use Kliah sockets. I hope that's the right decisions 😉

I think that is probably the right decision - it maximizes the number of switches that are possible to use in the stock PCB. I doubt I'll personally ever use Alps but I appreciate having the option to do so in the future. Do you know which size Mill Max socket is more compatible with this board?
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Fri, 08 May 2020, 11:20:53
Hi, I'm sorry I'm a bit late to the conversation. Yea, I wanted the PCB to support Alps, because that'll be something that's difficult to add afterwards. While Kliah sockets are nice, but I decided to have Alps and use MillMax or holtites for hotswap rather than no Alps and use Kliah sockets. I hope that's the right decisions 😉

I think that is probably the right decision - it maximizes the number of switches that are possible to use in the stock PCB. I doubt I'll personally ever use Alps but I appreciate having the option to do so in the future. Do you know which size Mill Max socket is more compatible with this board?
Hmm, may be Yiancar can answer this better than me since he designed the PCB, but I've not tried MillMax, however, I've used Holtites with the prototype and it fits pretty well. A little on the loose side, so a touch of solder will help if you find some misbehave switches.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Fri, 08 May 2020, 11:34:20
Hi, I'm sorry I'm a bit late to the conversation. Yea, I wanted the PCB to support Alps, because that'll be something that's difficult to add afterwards. While Kliah sockets are nice, but I decided to have Alps and use MillMax or holtites for hotswap rather than no Alps and use Kliah sockets. I hope that's the right decisions 😉

I think that is probably the right decision - it maximizes the number of switches that are possible to use in the stock PCB. I doubt I'll personally ever use Alps but I appreciate having the option to do so in the future. Do you know which size Mill Max socket is more compatible with this board?
Ok, I just remembered I had some MillMax left over, so I tried and it fits very well. I don't remember the size of it, but these were MillMax that I got from one of the MillMax GB a while ago, so I imagine it's the "usual size" that most custom PCBs used
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Fri, 08 May 2020, 11:41:13
Ok, I just remembered I had some MillMax left over, so I tried and it fits very well. I don't remember the size of it, but these were MillMax that I got from one of the MillMax GB a while ago, so I imagine it's the "usual size" that most custom PCBs used

Awesome, well looks like it's time for me to fill out the GB form :D Now to try to contain my excitement during the wait for production

One more question for now, then I'll give it a rest for a while. Does the laser cut back plate come with a hole for the USB cable as pictured in the renderings?

I also noticed that, because of the way the cable plugs into the controller, if you were to accidentally pull on the cable (because you're a klutzy dumbass like me) there might be potential to damage the controller or PCB. I wonder if there is any technique or rig I could use on the interior to transfer the point of stress onto the cable and away from the controller.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Fri, 08 May 2020, 11:54:26
Ok, I just remembered I had some MillMax left over, so I tried and it fits very well. I don't remember the size of it, but these were MillMax that I got from one of the MillMax GB a while ago, so I imagine it's the "usual size" that most custom PCBs used

Awesome, well looks like it's time for me to fill out the GB form :D Now to try to contain my excitement during the wait for production

One more question for now, then I'll give it a rest for a while. Does the laser cut back plate come with a hole for the USB cable as pictured in the renderings?

I also noticed that, because of the way the cable plugs into the controller, if you were to accidentally pull on the cable (because you're a klutzy dumbass like me) there might be potential to damage the controller or PCB. I wonder if there is any technique or rig I could use on the interior to transfer the point of stress onto the cable and away from the controller.
Yes, the back cover will come like the prototype, but in aluminum, but if you worry that you will damage the controller by pulling too hard on the cable, you can tie a couple of zip tie on the cable just before it exits the case to act like a stopper, and that should stop the cable from going too far out  and prevent any force going all the way to the controller. Or you can get a short usb-c male to female cable and mount the female on the back cover if you want a more traditional usb port :)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Fri, 08 May 2020, 12:15:49
Yes, the back cover will come like the prototype, but in aluminum, but if you worry that you will damage the controller by pulling too hard on the cable, you can tie a couple of zip tie on the cable just before it exits the case to act like a stopper, and that should stop the cable from going too far out  and prevent any force going all the way to the controller. Or you can get a short usb-c male to female cable and mount the female on the back cover if you want a more traditional usb port :)

I think ultimately I'd like to mount some sort of connector on the back cover, but probably something more fun and exotic than USB. My concern is getting it mounted in a way that looks clean and professional. The zip tie method sounds pretty brilliant in the short term.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: biothermal on Fri, 08 May 2020, 12:19:12
Yes, the back cover will come like the prototype, but in aluminum, but if you worry that you will damage the controller by pulling too hard on the cable, you can tie a couple of zip tie on the cable just before it exits the case to act like a stopper, and that should stop the cable from going too far out  and prevent any force going all the way to the controller. Or you can get a short usb-c male to female cable and mount the female on the back cover if you want a more traditional usb port :)

I think ultimately I'd like to mount some sort of connector on the back cover, but probably something more fun and exotic than USB. My concern is getting it mounted in a way that looks clean and professional. The zip tie method sounds pretty brilliant in the short term.

It could be a lot of fun to make all sorts of back plates for this board, I think that's the fun of it. Even if they don't really look polished, it's on the part of the board that you don't usually see.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Robosculpts on Fri, 08 May 2020, 13:26:25
Yes, the back cover will come like the prototype, but in aluminum, but if you worry that you will damage the controller by pulling too hard on the cable, you can tie a couple of zip tie on the cable just before it exits the case to act like a stopper, and that should stop the cable from going too far out  and prevent any force going all the way to the controller. Or you can get a short usb-c male to female cable and mount the female on the back cover if you want a more traditional usb port :)

I think ultimately I'd like to mount some sort of connector on the back cover, but probably something more fun and exotic than USB. My concern is getting it mounted in a way that looks clean and professional. The zip tie method sounds pretty brilliant in the short term.

It could be a lot of fun to make all sorts of back plates for this board, I think that's the fun of it. Even if they don't really look polished, it's on the part of the board that you don't usually see.

Still on the fence about the board but if I do get in on this, Jae is going to be starting his carbon fiber gb for plates and whatnot. I'm thinking about getting the top and back clear acrylic done in carbon fiber. I'm sure i'd just get the plate done in carbon fiber as well. yeah man, i really want this board. Maybe even do some kind of slider or knob in the top area.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Sat, 09 May 2020, 18:03:39
Great news! We have reached our MOQ!
The Fat Boy will be made! :D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Sat, 09 May 2020, 19:27:10
Awesome! I'm stoked  ;D  Pretty early in the GB to hit MOQ too. Can't wait to get my hands on this bad boy, although not looking forward to shipping to the US. You said the proto was a whopping ~3kg without the CNCed top  :eek: :D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Sun, 10 May 2020, 08:29:13
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/614388261?fbclid=IwAR0IBA9Bhafey-OtXF03yorWsVc9lAS6ySFFqY0Wx677UYhSpBkCv2Rxtnk (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/614388261?fbclid=IwAR0IBA9Bhafey-OtXF03yorWsVc9lAS6ySFFqY0Wx677UYhSpBkCv2Rxtnk)

Huge thanks to Top Clack again for the coverage! I can't thank you guys enough for spreading the words way back when I just started the IC and now again on the GB :D

Oh, one thing that I think I really need to correct... I'm not the owner of Proji Keeb Look, the YouTube channel that did the typing test. The owner (Mr. Pro) is a good friend of mine, and a prominent member of the Thai Mech community. When the prototype was built, I didn't have all the recording gears to do a good typing video, so helped me with all those typing videos  :)

My keyboard collection, while it's enough for the wife to constantly complain about it, is no where near Mr. Pro collection :p
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Sun, 10 May 2020, 12:35:48
Top Clack really seemed to love the board! The one thing I gotta disagree about - I definitely intend for this to be my daily driver haha.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Sun, 10 May 2020, 15:19:20
Top Clack really seemed to love the board! The one thing I gotta disagree about - I definitely intend for this to be my daily driver haha.
Haha, agreed, I'm definitely planning to daily drive the hell out of mine. In fact, I've been daily driving the prototype for a while now :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sun, 10 May 2020, 16:48:52
Since MOQ was met, are we getting invoices soon?
I'm really glad this GB is happening.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Sun, 10 May 2020, 16:49:52
Very sick shot of the prototype there... If the production units are as clean as the proto's base looks in photos then I'll be more than happy. That chamfered front edge is so amazing
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Sun, 10 May 2020, 16:52:47
Since MOQ was met, are we getting invoices soon?
I'm really glad this GB is happening.
Yes, I'm planning to start invoicing this week. The invoice will due next month at the end of the GB :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Mon, 11 May 2020, 06:19:25
aaaand joined :D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 12 May 2020, 16:25:37
Some invoices have been sent out, I will continue to sent out more invoices through out the week. Also, I made a spreadsheet of the order status, you guys can see it here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhCivzmeaHlIKTPpzk6lYt_TLM5uaPaDWQbu7jDKEMw/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nhCivzmeaHlIKTPpzk6lYt_TLM5uaPaDWQbu7jDKEMw/edit?usp=sharing)
 :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Tue, 12 May 2020, 21:29:30
Any chance to see an all black render with some WoB SA caps?
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 12 May 2020, 21:55:23
Any chance to see an all black render with some WoB SA caps?
I am planning to do an all black render, since a few people have asked about that. Give me a couple of days to sort out the render. I'll also look into SA caps to see if I can find the 3d models for them  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Tue, 12 May 2020, 22:02:43
Any chance to see an all black render with some WoB SA caps?
I am planning to do an all black render, since a few people have asked about that. Give me a couple of days to sort out the render. I'll also look into SA caps to see if I can find the 3d models for them  :thumb:

Dude, awesome! I am thinking of replicating a dope ass typewriter setup...
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: jjj404001 on Wed, 13 May 2020, 03:05:23
I got invoice from you, but i cant pay for it right now. When is it due?I can pay it like 5/21~25.

Annnd, I can see pen rail?tray?slot? whatever, some kind of rail above the F-row in the render, but I cant see that in prototype,
top cover is CNCed so I think it will be there, but I just wanna make it sure. Are they still there?
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 13 May 2020, 03:07:39
I got invoice from you, but i cant pay for it right now. When is it due?I can pay it like 5/21~25.

Annnd, I can see pen rail?tray?slot? whatever, some kind of rail above the F-row in the render, but I cant see that in prototype,
top cover is CNCed so I think it will be there, but I just wanna make it sure. Are they still there?
The invoice is due at the end of GB on the 2nd of June, so no hurry, and yes the CNDed top will include the pen rail as seen in the render.  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Robosculpts on Wed, 13 May 2020, 05:37:44
oh snap payment due on the 2nd. I get paid the first! I'll probably get in late on the gb!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 13 May 2020, 12:26:43
All caught up on invoices for current orders! If I sent you invoices with incorrect information, please let me know and I'll sort it out  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Thu, 14 May 2020, 09:44:04
Finally did some renders for the black version, enjoy!

(https://i.imgur.com/mcSKqES.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/uZnkw0i.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/pRKM6GZ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/y2J3Dbv.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ouuKmEC.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/eDO8iIY.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/BRhi0UA.png)

Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:25:30
Oh man, that black has me tempted now. How close are you to the cut off?
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:41:48
Oh man, that black has me tempted now. How close are you to the cut off?
We're about halfway till I start thinking about making a cut-off, 25-ish orders last I checked  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Thu, 14 May 2020, 14:52:06
I am having a little bit of a hard time visualizing the top cover. Will the top cover be flush with the sides or will there be some overhang? In the prototype it looks like a top cover wouldn't be flush with anything once you put it over.

Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Thu, 14 May 2020, 15:16:18
I am having a little bit of a hard time visualizing the top cover. Will the top cover be flush with the sides or will there be some overhang? In the prototype it looks like a top cover wouldn't be flush with anything once you put it over.
It should be flushed, no over hangs like the renders  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Softkore on Mon, 18 May 2020, 11:17:24
I've already started looking in to what sorts of wacky connectors I could use with the controller. Someone suggested these Weipu waterproof connectors (http://m.weipu-connector.com/connector-ip-rating/ip67-circular-connector/sa10-ip67-waterproof-connector.html) with a chassis mount but I'm not sold on the aesthetic. Anyone else have some interesting ideas?
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Mon, 18 May 2020, 22:31:18
I've already started looking in to what sorts of wacky connectors I could use with the controller. Someone suggested these Weipu waterproof connectors (http://m.weipu-connector.com/connector-ip-rating/ip67-circular-connector/sa10-ip67-waterproof-connector.html) with a chassis mount but I'm not sold on the aesthetic. Anyone else have some interesting ideas?
I'm definitely planning on using a Lemo or a Neutrik on mine in the future, but these Weipu looks interesting!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: darkcl on Sun, 24 May 2020, 05:30:59
I think i can fit a raspberry-pi in it and make it a computer
Nice board :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Sun, 24 May 2020, 05:36:01
I think i can fit a raspberry-pi in it and make it a computer
Nice board :thumb:
Yes, last I checked, a raspberry pi zero fits  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: darkcl on Sun, 24 May 2020, 08:40:44
I think i can fit a raspberry-pi in it and make it a computer
Nice board :thumb:
Yes, last I checked, a raspberry pi zero fits  :thumb:
I am sold (hit submit form)  ^-^
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Axariel on Sun, 24 May 2020, 20:30:55
Made an account just to let you know I joined the GB and am happy to support this project.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Mon, 25 May 2020, 01:05:47
Made an account just to let you know I joined the GB and am happy to support this project.
Thank you! I really appreciate it. :D
We've now passed 30 orders! I'm super stoked, thank you all!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: cdaman on Tue, 26 May 2020, 09:28:11

        I have got a chance to live with this keyboard for about 2 weeks. Mustcode is kind enough to lend it to me for short period of time. So I take sometime to film a short video, documenting the whole keyboard in person.  I'm sorry for my Thai'ish broken English but I hope that you get what I was trying to say, ahah.  Really enjoying this keyboard!
       
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Robosculpts on Fri, 29 May 2020, 16:10:41
woo! signed up!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mchanneh on Fri, 29 May 2020, 18:12:23
woo! signed up!

Wahey can't wait too!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: Robosculpts on Sat, 30 May 2020, 06:50:19
I can't stop thinking about what I'm going to do with this board. definitely going to get a carbon fiber top piece. Looking at the renders with the pen rail on it seems like a really cool idea.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Sat, 30 May 2020, 12:27:53
Change to one of my favorite sets today. Looks great on silver in my humble opinion  ;D
I also just gave the factory a heads up that I'll be submitting order early next month just to make sure they're expecting us. :thumb:

Oh and GB ends on Tuesday! Now is the time to join if don't want to miss the train  :cool:

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Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us.
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 02 June 2020, 06:54:38
One final bump for the last day to join the GB!

Thanks everyone for all the support so far, I haven't been this excited about keyboards for a long time. I'll make sure to put everything I got into making this a successful GB  :D

After the GB closes, I'll place the order as soon as all the invoices are paid so that I can confirm the final count. Anyone that have trouble paying the invoice by the deadline please let me know and I'll see what I can do  :)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 03 June 2020, 02:17:55
Group buy is now closed! I will be waiting a little longer for invoices to be paid (or canceled) and I'll give the final count for the order to the factory within a day or two. :thumb:
Cheers!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Fri, 05 June 2020, 04:10:15
Hello again! I notified the factory that I'll finalized the details of the order and submit the order on Monday, so I'll be cancelling all unpaid invoices within the next 24 hours. So, if anyone still wants to keep their order, but need a bit more time to pay the invoice, please contact me asap or your order will be cancelled. :)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Fri, 05 June 2020, 07:44:25
much excite!!

Def can't wait for this board to come to fruition :D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: Robosculpts on Sun, 07 June 2020, 05:18:20
Hey Mustcode, quick question about the git hub files. I'm wanting to get in on Jae's carbon fiber GB and wanted to get the top cover, back piece where the cable comes out, and the plate done in carbon fiber. Do i download the pdf or the dxf files? I have never done this before so any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Sun, 07 June 2020, 05:27:37
Hey Mustcode, quick question about the git hub files. I'm wanting to get in on Jae's carbon fiber GB and wanted to get the top cover, back piece where the cable comes out, and the plate done in carbon fiber. Do i download the pdf or the dxf files? I have never done this before so any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Hi! .dxf are the 2D cad files for laser cutting, so yes, you want to modify the .dxf files to make your own covers. The pdf are just for reference in case the machine shop asked for it  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: Robosculpts on Sun, 07 June 2020, 05:39:21
Hey Mustcode, quick question about the git hub files. I'm wanting to get in on Jae's carbon fiber GB and wanted to get the top cover, back piece where the cable comes out, and the plate done in carbon fiber. Do i download the pdf or the dxf files? I have never done this before so any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Hi! .dxf are the 2D cad files for laser cutting, so yes, you want to modify the .dxf files to make your own covers. The pdf are just for reference in case the machine shop asked for it  :thumb:

Thanks for the help
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Sun, 07 June 2020, 07:59:27
I know I will regret not getting in on this.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Mon, 08 June 2020, 03:55:30
I've submitted the order to the machine shop and they are going to give me the final price for the order soon.
In the mean time, I've setup a discord server as suggested by a few of you. So if you're a discord users, here the invite: https://discord.gg/ZHzfCva (https://discord.gg/ZHzfCva)  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Mon, 08 June 2020, 10:44:00
Orders for the case is accepted by the factory and the price is as expected, so we're all good to start production!
I will add the funds to my credit card and put down the deposit tomorrow :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Mon, 08 June 2020, 10:45:29
I can't wait to see how this turns out!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 09 June 2020, 00:01:32
Deposit is paid to the factory. They should be able to start production soon after the payment is cleared for them.

I have also asked to see some pictures of the first unit made to verify that all the parts fit together correctly. I'll share the pictures once I got them :)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mchanneh on Tue, 09 June 2020, 07:04:42
Thanks a lot for these prompt updates mustcode.

The discord invite has expired for me, would it be possible to have this resent?
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 09 June 2020, 07:18:54
Thanks a lot for these prompt updates mustcode.

The discord invite has expired for me, would it be possible to have this resent?
Oh, I thought I set it to never expire, sorry about that, must be bugs when I use mobile and desktop discord at the same time.
I've set it never expire, please try again https://discord.gg/ZHzfCva (https://discord.gg/ZHzfCva)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: WhitePlate on Thu, 11 June 2020, 19:33:01
Thanks for the updates. :D  Cant Wait
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Thu, 18 June 2020, 11:48:05
(https://i.imgur.com/CdlIvHb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/veXhBVe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/24Vy6XF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dIdygBT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2XmjNIN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mBcdqiL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XNvNPiz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6xLVyKB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1ZbPP2C.jpg)

The factory sent some pictures of some of the simpler pieces. So far so good. Hoping to see some pics of the case soon :thumb:
The black plastic piece is the holder for the controller PCB, in case you're wondering  :)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Sun, 28 June 2020, 13:35:46
Got a couple of clips from the factory. Everything is looking good so far!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OEuDvblJ7sL8QLRcLlKBWH_TtRhtcCx1/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OEuDvblJ7sL8QLRcLlKBWH_TtRhtcCx1/view?usp=sharing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16nM0jv0yB-IH7vcJIZp0a9INojVVnDth/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/16nM0jv0yB-IH7vcJIZp0a9INojVVnDth/view?usp=sharing)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: WiLOUCHE on Tue, 30 June 2020, 09:18:28
Oh my god. I want this. Is it too late to enter? Hahahah  :D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 30 June 2020, 21:23:04
Yup, a bit too late now. Wait for a used one or round 2 :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: rondg on Wed, 01 July 2020, 16:57:25
Yup, a bit too late now. Wait for a used one or round 2 :thumb:

No extras? I had to prioritize things when this ran and wasn't able to get one.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Thu, 02 July 2020, 02:55:13
Yup, a bit too late now. Wait for a used one or round 2 :thumb:

No extras? I had to prioritize things when this ran and wasn't able to get one.
Sorry, there won't be any extras. The only extras are the 2 (one of each color) that I ordered for myself, which I'm willing to give up in case something went wrong. Sorry, I'm really pushing the price down, so I couldn't afford too many extras. :-[
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Thu, 02 July 2020, 03:00:04
More pics from the factory in Discord. I'll post them here later tonight. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Fri, 03 July 2020, 01:35:29
http://imgur.com/gallery/XjmwelK (http://imgur.com/gallery/XjmwelK)
Here are the promised images for those that are not on Discord. Enjoy!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: Robosculpts on Sat, 04 July 2020, 08:07:17
My only regret is not buying more pcb's to make different builds
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Sat, 04 July 2020, 10:19:55
My only regret is not buying more pcb's to make different builds
I ordered a few extra pcbs in case of failures, so I will update with what I got left after everything is shipped :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: Robosculpts on Sat, 04 July 2020, 11:05:50
youre the man!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: Krionking on Sun, 05 July 2020, 12:25:31
I'm hoping that if this goes well, that you might consider a round 2 in the future. Of course everything is up to you.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Sun, 05 July 2020, 13:45:22
I'm hoping that if this goes well, that you might consider a round 2 in the future. Of course everything is up to you.
Thanks, I hope there'll be a round two as well :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 07 July 2020, 01:35:59
The factory is already packing up the cases, they are quick!
So, I just paid the remaining balance and the cases should be on their way to me soon!
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: Robosculpts on Tue, 07 July 2020, 03:19:55
that was hella fast.
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mchanneh on Tue, 07 July 2020, 03:25:37
second that!^
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Tue, 07 July 2020, 03:30:03
The factory is already packing up the cases, they are quick!
So, I just paid the remaining balance and the cases should be on their way to me soon!


Excellent!!! Can't wait to build this
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: Axariel on Tue, 07 July 2020, 04:52:44
Everything looks so great given the speed and the complexity of your design! I am extremely hyped!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 08 July 2020, 12:15:42
The factory informed me that there were a few units that didn't pass their QC, so they are going to remake those and delay their schedule for a few days.
Welp, a little delay is fine for me as long as their QC is on point. ^-^
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Sat, 11 July 2020, 14:42:53
The PCB has been updated to support ISO as promised. Thanks agian Yiancar! I'll work on an ISO plate so that those who wanted ISO can get the dxf file and have it laser-cut. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Sun, 19 July 2020, 05:04:59
The factory has shipped the case  :cool:
Should reach me within a few weeks  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 05 August 2020, 17:57:02
Big update!
The shipment has arrived! I finally have the production units in my hands :D

(https://i.imgur.com/KgQ0ALO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/I1CNWAm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/aioj9FF.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/SQIyqKM)
(https://i.imgur.com/80jkvqO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/b9atuLw.jpg)

So, to make sure that every part fits together properly, I've transplanted the prototype PCB into a production unit to test, and everything fits!
(https://i.imgur.com/yGu9qTG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KKByJCw.jpg)

Compared to the prototype, we now have the final top and back cover, proper PCB mounting, and nice aluminium plate :thumb:
(https://i.imgur.com/nPE7GpY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sP3aBek.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QafyABe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BzB6cuL.jpg)

Now that we've confirmed that all parts fits together, all the PCBs will be green-lit for manufacturing. And while we wait for the PCBs, I'll work on the rest of the hardware and packaging stuff so that I can get all these Fat Boys off my living room as soon as possible :D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: biothermal on Wed, 05 August 2020, 18:09:45
Big update!
The shipment has arrived! I finally have the production units in my hands :D

Damn! That's super exciting. Kudos to you, they're looking really good  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: beekey on Thu, 06 August 2020, 00:32:40
Wow, these look super nice. Sad I had to skip it back then. :(
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: darkcl on Thu, 06 August 2020, 01:34:26
Awesome, cannot wait to build it :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Mon, 24 August 2020, 01:06:46
Another quick update. But first, I want to apologize for being a bit slow to update on geekhack compared to Discord. I haven't got a chance to sit down in front of my PC for a while, but discord is easy enough for me to update with my phone. :-[

I'm told that the PCB will be on its way to me soon, so hopefully, I can start doing all the packing and shipping within September. In the mean time, my friend over at Proji Keeb Look has made a build stream (Thai language) and a new assembly/typing video with all final parts except for the PCB. Enjoy  :thumb:

Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Sat, 05 September 2020, 09:31:57
The PCBs has arrived! I'll need to flash the firmware before I can pack and ship them out. It'll try to do it as fast as I can. The finish line is very close, and thanks you all for bearing with me all this time. I promise to not be slow on this! :D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Sun, 06 September 2020, 14:33:13
All controllers have been flashed! I randomly tested around 10 sets, which all worked correctly. Next is packing and figuring out the shipping cost. I'll start invoicing for the shipping cost once I figure out the shipping estimates  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 16 September 2020, 14:21:59
I've started sending out invoices for the shipping cost. I've only invoiced about 1/3 of all participants, so don't be alarmed if you haven't received it yet.
And since I can't carry 30+ boxes to the post office by myself, my plan is to visit the post office a couple of times a week starting this Saturday and send out as many units as I can each visit.
I'm sorry I can't do this fast enough as I can only do this after I got off work and on weekends, but I'll keep you guys updated on the progress as much as I can :)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Thu, 17 September 2020, 06:05:14
I've started sending out invoices for the shipping cost. I've only invoiced about 1/3 of all participants, so don't be alarmed if you haven't received it yet.
And since I can't carry 30+ boxes to the post office by myself, my plan is to visit the post office a couple of times a week starting this Saturday and send out as many units as I can each visit.
I'm sorry I can't do this fast enough as I can only do this after I got off work and on weekends, but I'll keep you guys updated on the progress as much as I can :)


Awesome. Do what you need to but I’m def excited to see that invoice!!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: snoofy on Sat, 10 October 2020, 02:11:47
any update?
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Sat, 10 October 2020, 07:12:45
any update?
Hey! Sorry that I haven't been updating this thread. I'm still in the process of shipping all the orders.
24 out of 36 units has shipped, only 12 units to go before this GB concludes :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Wed, 21 October 2020, 06:31:10
just got mine in today!!

Will likely show on stream on Sunday although I think I'll need build instructions as there is a lot of parts :D

Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 21 October 2020, 06:47:16
That is awesome to see! :D
I should have some materials that are useful as a build guide, I'll gather them up and post it here later tonight.  :thumb:

Can't wait to see more people receiving and building their Fat Boys! :D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 21 October 2020, 07:23:57
Btw, the last 3 units goes out tomorrow.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 21 October 2020, 10:13:31
Here are the best reference materials that I have for those that are looking for build instructions:

This video by my good friend Proji Keeb Look is probably the best one. I recommend watching this first:

And here are the steps of how I build:

First, do the switch-plate-pcb as you normally do, and once you're done, attach the mounting bracket like this:
[attach=1]

Next, attach the controller board to the plastic mounting and then to the matrix pcb:
[attach=2]

Next, place the post pins in the case as follows:
[attach=7]

Next, is the most difficult part. Carefully place the switch-plate-pcb sandwich into the case, lining up the holes on the mounting bracket with the pins in the case. I usually try to line up the bottom brackets before the top brackets. Once the bottom is in, the top is easy to do because you have extra space at the top of the case to work with.
Make sure every pins goes in all the way as pictured below, you may need a tweezer to push the pins through all the holes:
[attach=3]

Screw in the controller mount to the case:
[attach=4]

Attach your preferred USB cable:
[attach=5]

Close him up and that's it! Please feel free to let me know if you have any questions  :thumb:
[attachimg=6]
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Thu, 22 October 2020, 00:44:32
All units shipped! Tracking updated, this group buy is finally coming to an end. I will continue to provide support for any issues that you guys might have with your unit and anything that you might need if you plan to mod your Fat Boys

Also, I apologize in advance if your unit is not flawless. I have checked every unit and I've kept the two with the most visible defects. If something slipped my eyes and you found a major defect on your unit, please let me know and I'll be happy to swap it out with what I have or even provide full or partial refund in the case that you are unhappy with it.

While running this GB almost solo was A LOT of work, the keyboard that dreamed of in all you guys' hands and desks are all the rewards that I need :D

 Thanks you all from the bottom of my heart for being a part of this project.  :D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: snoofy on Wed, 04 November 2020, 22:33:01
I recived keyboard today!

But I think, someones are droped my package during delivery.

So my fat boy's under left was dameged :eek:

Can I take the after service?
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 04 November 2020, 22:41:03
Ouch! Can I see the damage? I only have one silver left on me with a minor defect on it. My black one was already sent out as replacement for a similar issue. But, I'll see what I can do! :)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: snoofy on Wed, 04 November 2020, 22:49:27
Ouch! Can I see the damage? I only have one silver left on me with a minor defect on it. My black one was already sent out as replacement for a similar issue. But, I'll see what I can do! :)
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Wed, 04 November 2020, 22:58:20
Wow, that box went through hell! Alright, no worries, I'll send you a pm and we'll figure something out  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: snoofy on Thu, 05 November 2020, 00:55:33
Wow, that box went through hell! Alright, no worries, I'll send you a pm and we'll figure something out  :thumb:

Oh! god! thank you so much!

I wait for you :thumb: >:D
Title: Re: [GB] MC-76K "Fat Boy" - A compact keyboard for the modders among us. [Closed]
Post by: mustcode on Thu, 05 November 2020, 00:58:53
Wow, that box went through hell! Alright, no worries, I'll send you a pm and we'll figure something out  :thumb:

Oh! god! thank you so much!

I wait for you :thumb: >:D
Already sent a pm to you :)