Post by: westfoxtrot on Sat, 11 April 2020, 05:17:12
PCB numrow issue - PLEASE PLEASE only use the information added in the following more block if you face an issue with your PCB where your numrow is outputting every key in its column
If you checkout the source then please only use this for a prophet PCB that is faulty - I offer no replacements/repairs on other PCBs built using this firmware. If you still face issues with the PCB after using this then please reach out to your vendor - I have a reworked PCB testing at the moment to replace anyone with long term faults
More
for via:
just flash this new firmware - you'll need to clear the eeprom by holding esc when you plug in the board
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729738464806830132/808726942283071498/westfoxtrot_prophet_via.bin
source:
https://github.com/westfoxtrot/qmk_firmware/tree/prophet_fix
just flash this new firmware - you'll need to clear the eeprom by holding esc when you plug in the board
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729738464806830132/808726942283071498/westfoxtrot_prophet_via.bin
source:
https://github.com/westfoxtrot/qmk_firmware/tree/prophet_fix
Update 10: 2 issues to cover
1) If you have a problem with your PCB where the numrow is outputting the full column we are currently testing a software based fix for this. Inital results are promising. The majority of PCBs are absolutely fine so please don't take this as cause for concern.
2) If you have a problem with your Nylon plate that is overly sized or overly small (some shrinkage is expected - see FAQ at bottom of post) then please open a ticket with your vendor so we can get a reliable report of numbers of fails to help us scope the problem for replacements. So far this seems to be affecting a small pool of people and I need to get a better idea of what I need to arrange with vendors to help solve this problem.
Update 9: It has come to my attention there is some issues with some Nylon plates. We are currently trying to gauge the scope of the issue, we have previously agreed to a resolution with the manufacturer and it seems that most of the parts are testing just fine.
Update 8: ilumkb has started shipping, expect other vendors to follow suit shortly. Thanks for everyone's continued patience on this one, I really appreciate it.
Update 7: Parts are all finished and being packed at the factory to be sent out to vendors this week.
Update 6: e-white parts are still not finished. Current projections from my factory contact place completion at the 24th of this month at which point it should be OK to ship everything out to vendors. Apologies for the continued delays
Update 5: Nylon plates are manufactured, everything else is manufactured and finished except for the e-white parts as there was a delay with the shop used by the fab to handle the e-finishes. China is now on a week long vacation and when they're back hopefully we'll be on track really quickly. Sorry for the delay and thanks for your patience. :thumb:
Update 4: I have been using the prophet with the new nylon plate and I am very pleased with it - I have placed the full order with the new fab this week and they are predicting 2-3 weeks to complete the work (about 300 plates total). The anodising is currently predicted to finish end of the month. Black parts are in QC now and blue is in anodising.
here's some spoiler pics from the anodisers (nothing fancy)
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583941653908160522/753519551311904768/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583941653908160522/753520085619966012/unknown.png
Update 3: I have 2 sample nylon plates from new manufacturers on the way - they should be here this week and I'll be able to place the order asap. Cases are all finished manu but some are still pending anodisation as the factory has some delays with their external anodising partner. Currently trying to get a better idea of what impact these 2 things will have on delivery. PCBs are finished as are all additional parts
Update 2: Case production is almost finished - hardware has been sent for assembly to the manufacturer. Vendors are prepped for the situation.
There is a slight hold up with the nylon plates - the factory I originally intended to use are unable to source reliable material. I am currently trying to source alternatives and will provide a better update if/when I have one. Currently trying to make sure that we have an acceptable sample that acts as a proof of work, I have already received a set of samples and they're not satisfactory in my opinion.
Update 1: Production is all booked for PCBs, cases, plates etc
Edit: Updated pricing, added details about colours, extended to May 1st
Hello fellow keyboard enthusiasts
Here is the official GB thread for Prophet, a pin-mount seamless 60% keyboard kit.
(https://imgur.com/1BYtVps.png)
The IC thread is available here where a lot of questions were answered
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104294)
(https://imgur.com/vrAo7pu.png)(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393396388282761219/668551342637318164/v3v27.gif)
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there is no pressure from the top half of the case on the plate. There are 4 pins in the corners of the base that hold the plate in place and it rests on the lip of the base. The theory is that the lack of downward pressure allows the plate more freedom of movement towards the center whilst still retaining an even pressure around the edge of the board
The group buy will launch on 15th April and the kit will be priced at $325 US excluding sales/import tax and shipping. A kit includes: 1 x top, 1 x bottom, 1 x plate, and 1 PCB. The angle of the case is 6°. It includes a custom PCB designed by me that supports ISO/ANSI layouts with a 7u(Tsangan) bottom row only, this will be matte black. The case also supports any standard 60% PCB with a type-c usb port. Mini will likely also work but it depends on the cable. I have tested it with a hotswap PCB and it held fine but I am not a particularly heavy typist so your mileage might vary.
Options:
Top is available in MX HHKB, WKL, or Standard
Case is available in Aluminium in 3 colours: Black, Dark Blue & e-white
Base will be available in either Black or to match your top colour.
Plate will be available in ISO/ANSI half or full layout with 7U bottom row only in 3 materials: PP (Polypropylene, White), PC (Polycarbonate, media blasted clear), Nylon (Black). If the ISO numbers stay low we might have to restrict the material to ensure we hit a suitable price.
Here is a list of the retailers with their respective prices and regions. I will update this with links to the product page as soon as I have them. The group buy will launch on the 15th April and remain open until the end of day May 1st.
CannonKeys is sold out of the 150 units, NA buyers can still purchase from the other vendors.
Please make sure that you only fill out the form respective to your vendor
| Region | Retailer & Link | Regional price | Notes |
| Europe | mykeyboard.eu (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/prophet-60-keyboard_282/) | €360 (Inc. VAT) | Non-EU Order form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSej8ZS8ECDHA-SvjZBRdjeZoile_JI81WIA0wDtYNcOVFkEzw/viewform) |
| NA | CannonKeys (https://cannonkeys.com/collections/prophet) | $325 | Limited to 150 total units. SOLD OUT |
| OCE | Daily Clack (https://dailyclack.com/products/prophet-keyboard-kit) | $506AUD (inc GST) | |
| SEA | iLumkb (https://ilumkb.com/collections/prophet) | SGD$464 | If purchasing a case you must also puchase a PCB and Plate, orders without this will be cancelled |
Extras pricing:
Additional Top: $140
Additional PCBs: $35
Additional Plates: $45
The MOQ for the GB is 150 units for this pricing.
Due to the current global situation it’s hard to nail down an exact timeline estimate but conservative projections should put us 3-4 months out from the close of the GB for shipping. So we should be shipping in August-September, I will try to ensure we keep this thread as the source for updates but will make sure the information is available elsewhere.
Plate files are available in my github plate repository. (https://github.com/westfoxtrot/plate_files)
If you have any questions or comments about the case/pcb/buy structure please ask here or by any of these contact methods: Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/user/Amthe/), Geekhack (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105670.0), email (http://mailto:max@cablecardesigns.co), discord (https://discord.gg/5GHFAtb).
Here is an album of images
(https://imgur.com/a/D4IMiSv)
here are some soundtests/typing videos of R1/Original proto
Koen on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLxB3Jpa4A)
Koen on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFRUs_eC4YM)
TopClack on youtube (https://youtu.be/ZXSGzKXGqWs?t=7058)
invis on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV-j-eJmZbU)
invis on clyp.it (https://clyp.it/qo1h1wpa)
Aly on youtube (https://youtu.be/ixwDj9GoiDM)
Chris on youtube (https://youtu.be/UC2NbB3Uv9c)
Thank you for your time
Max
FAQ
Won't the plate fall out?
The plate does sit loose in the assembly and if you pick it up and shake it then it will rattle but there's not enough room for it to fall off, in typing this doesn't happen.
What is pin mount? Have there been any other boards that use this mounting style?
there is no pressure from the top half of the case on the plate. There are 4 pins in the corners of the base that hold the plate in place and it rests on the lip of the base. The theory is that the lack of downward pressure allows the plate more freedom of movement towards the center whilst still retaining an even pressure around the edge of the board. To my knowledge, this is the first keyboard to use it.
Which plate material is the best?
In my opinion there is no wrong choice, the plates on offer are my opinion for the plates that work well with this construction. I have used all of them and enjoy all of them. If you want a short recommendation then I think a full PP plate offers the most unique experience without the drawbacks of Nylon.
Why is the nylon bending the assembly?
Nylon shrinks over time. Due to this it will look to contract the assembly. I have used a nylon plate in my private buy prophet for close to a year with no issues, I have also built with it more recently and, whilst frustrating to build with, it works just fine as soon as it's mounted. If you are concerned about this I'd recommend choosing PP over this.
How much does the keyboard weigh?
The weight of the keyboard built is around 1.1kg (2.5lbs)
KLE?
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/15d2dbeccf8be54143ac8bb7d8b97d4d
Post by: toastyAU on Mon, 13 April 2020, 10:35:26
Post by: self on Mon, 13 April 2020, 10:36:11
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Post by: cerement on Mon, 13 April 2020, 11:50:28
but I’m far more interested in getting my hands on some of those PCBs
Post by: noahf on Mon, 13 April 2020, 11:58:53
Post by: fishinaspacesuit on Mon, 13 April 2020, 17:48:32
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Mon, 13 April 2020, 21:22:47
Post by: FatherFizz on Tue, 14 April 2020, 00:13:50
I might be dropping on my first case with this one :)
Post by: egla on Tue, 14 April 2020, 02:20:52
Hype. Are there any purchase limits on Cannonkeys?
Says in the post:
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NA cannon keys $325 Limited to 100 total units. Releasing at 11AM ET
Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 14 April 2020, 04:23:22
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 14 April 2020, 04:24:42
Post by: westfoxtrot on Tue, 14 April 2020, 06:02:52
I picked up KAT Atlantis and have been looking for a blue 60% case GB. Are there any images of the dark blue color anywhere?
I might be dropping on my first case with this one :)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523166255520284683/699574726468567040/image0.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523166255520284683/699574941967974400/image0.jpg)
Same colour code as this board
dunno if i can afford one given the current situation of the world :( looks like a very interesting board, I hope to try one some day. Good luck with gb!
there's always more keyboards, hope you and your loved ones are safe :-)
Don’t get me wrong, that case is really nice,
but I’m far more interested in getting my hands on some of those PCBs
PCB is open sourced: https://github.com/westfoxtrot/prophet_pcb
Post by: joshuarubin on Tue, 14 April 2020, 06:11:51
Post by: westfoxtrot on Tue, 14 April 2020, 06:16:13
Can you explain why cannonkeys has the 100 unit limit? I thought the GB was unlimited. Will NA people have to order from a different region's proxy after the 100 are gone?
CannonKeys only wanted to do 100 units maximum, the GB still remains unlimited and if CannonKeys sells out then the other vendors will remain open for orders.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 14 April 2020, 08:34:58
No, I meant purchase limits per person. Can one person buy multipleHype. Are there any purchase limits on Cannonkeys?
Says in the post:QuoteNA cannon keys $325 Limited to 100 total units. Releasing at 11AM ET
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 14 April 2020, 09:08:02
Post by: rockydbull on Tue, 14 April 2020, 09:13:34
Just had a thought. It's probably too late now, but why not end the gb one day later on May 1st. This is a friday when a lot of people will get paid. This may help considering the economic situation. For me at least, rent is due at the end of the month, but my paycheck will hit literally hours after this closes.
No real prejudice in backing it up a day, but I can't imagine the venn diagram of people buying a keyboard for $325+shipping and people who don't have the liquidity in cash or ability to float this on a credit card for one day is a big enough crossover to warrant consideration. But maybe I don't have a good read on the demo.
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 14 April 2020, 09:18:34
Just had a thought. It's probably too late now, but why not end the gb one day later on May 1st. This is a friday when a lot of people will get paid. This may help considering the economic situation. For me at least, rent is due at the end of the month, but my paycheck will hit literally hours after this closes.
No real prejudice in backing it up a day, but I can't imagine the venn diagram of people buying a keyboard for $325+shipping and people who don't have the liquidity in cash or ability to float this on a credit card for one day is a big enough crossover to warrant consideration. But maybe I don't have a good read on the demo.
I mean, I could float in on my cc for a day worst case scenario. I just hate any amount of debt, lol. It would get me like $3.50 in rewards points though I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post by: rockydbull on Tue, 14 April 2020, 10:26:02
Just had a thought. It's probably too late now, but why not end the gb one day later on May 1st. This is a friday when a lot of people will get paid. This may help considering the economic situation. For me at least, rent is due at the end of the month, but my paycheck will hit literally hours after this closes.
No real prejudice in backing it up a day, but I can't imagine the venn diagram of people buying a keyboard for $325+shipping and people who don't have the liquidity in cash or ability to float this on a credit card for one day is a big enough crossover to warrant consideration. But maybe I don't have a good read on the demo.
I mean, I could float in on my cc for a day worst case scenario. I just hate any amount of debt, lol. It would get me like $3.50 in rewards points though I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
To each their own, but I don't see this as debt since it won't even hit the billing statement if you pay it off immediately. Also $3.5 in rewards. Free money
Post by: westfoxtrot on Tue, 14 April 2020, 10:34:04
Just had a thought. It's probably too late now, but why not end the gb one day later on May 1st. This is a friday when a lot of people will get paid. This may help considering the economic situation. For me at least, rent is due at the end of the month, but my paycheck will hit literally hours after this closes.
No real prejudice in backing it up a day, but I can't imagine the venn diagram of people buying a keyboard for $325+shipping and people who don't have the liquidity in cash or ability to float this on a credit card for one day is a big enough crossover to warrant consideration. But maybe I don't have a good read on the demo.
I mean, I could float in on my cc for a day worst case scenario. I just hate any amount of debt, lol. It would get me like $3.50 in rewards points though I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've asked the vendors if they're OK to extend a day
Post by: befbef on Tue, 14 April 2020, 16:32:28
What do you think?
Post by: upas on Tue, 14 April 2020, 17:54:47
I talked to westfoxtrot.
I'll be bumping up my order cap to 150 on CannonKeys.
Hope this is good news!
Post by: cijanzen on Tue, 14 April 2020, 17:55:27
Hey guys,Great news!
I talked to westfoxtrot.
I'll be bumping up my order cap to 150 on CannonKeys.
Hope this is good news!
Post by: Aerizu on Tue, 14 April 2020, 20:55:42
Post by: Emir on Wed, 15 April 2020, 01:25:30
(https://i.imgur.com/FyfoZVx.jpg)
Post by: Solotov on Wed, 15 April 2020, 01:57:19
best 60%, go buyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/FyfoZVx.jpg)
Could you please explain what you like most about the board? And how are the typing feel and sound? :)
Post by: jmsp0511 on Wed, 15 April 2020, 02:25:52
In the IC thread it says "The bottom will be available in either black or matching your top."
Is this still the case?
Do we have a choice of matching color or black?
Post by: LostGoatOnHill on Wed, 15 April 2020, 02:49:31
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 15 April 2020, 03:14:02
There is no mention of bottom case color in this GB thread.
In the IC thread it says "The bottom will be available in either black or matching your top."
Is this still the case?
Do we have a choice of matching color or black?
missed from original post my bad. Added now and yes this is the case.
Guess we can expect kb showing on mykeyboard.eu along with pricing today?
Pricing is up now, listing will be available ASAP
Post by: LostGoatOnHill on Wed, 15 April 2020, 03:25:34
On plate front, any recommendation for half/full plate and material? primarily use kb for software dev, using tactiles (holy pandas inbound for this). Thanks!
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 15 April 2020, 03:31:06
Thanks for posting euro price. When converted to USD (1 EUR = 1.093USD) that's $393. Could be cheaper getting it from Cannonkeys and having it shipped? Noob to custom kb to excuse the naivety if this is typically the case.
On plate front, any recommendation for half/full plate and material? primarily use kb for software dev, using tactiles (holy pandas inbound for this). Thanks!
it's the price inclusive of VAT. If you order from CannonKeys then you will pay $325 + international shipping + VAT on import + import fees. Depending on your country the VAT will be around $65-80 total.
Half Plate is a very floaty soft, bouncy typing experience. Personally, I'd recommend full plate as not sure how tactiles would feel with a half plate (sorry not a tactiles guy really)
Post by: kchlam on Wed, 15 April 2020, 04:08:14
Thanks for posting euro price. When converted to USD (1 EUR = 1.093USD) that's $393. Could be cheaper getting it from Cannonkeys and having it shipped? Noob to custom kb to excuse the naivety if this is typically the case.
On plate front, any recommendation for half/full plate and material? primarily use kb for software dev, using tactiles (holy pandas inbound for this). Thanks!
it's the price inclusive of VAT. If you order from CannonKeys then you will pay $325 + international shipping + VAT on import + import fees. Depending on your country the VAT will be around $65-80 total.
Half Plate is a very floaty soft, bouncy typing experience. Personally, I'd recommend full plate as not sure how tactiles would feel with a half plate (sorry not a tactiles guy really)
What would you recommend for linears in terms of plate configurations?
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 15 April 2020, 04:20:39
What would you recommend for linears in terms of plate configurations?
I have used vints on Nylon and PP and on both it sounds and feels great. My current board is half nylon, vints with geekmaker tops and tx 60g springs - really nice sound and feel to that. I previously had a full PP plate with retools which also was great. I've used MX silents in zeal housing previously and liked it but it isn't the nicest sounding IMO, think the zeal housing makes it a touch higher pitched? I think the denser housing will be nice on any configuration so gateron with a milky top is probably a nice option if you can't get a hold of nice retools or vints.
I know that koen has built with a much wider choice of switches maybe he can provide his thoughts
Post by: Rafa_n on Wed, 15 April 2020, 09:07:09
Post by: tluer on Wed, 15 April 2020, 09:09:18
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 15 April 2020, 09:48:54
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Maybe it will work later?
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 15 April 2020, 10:08:35
My form link from cannonkeys via email doesn’t work. I get this:
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Maybe it will work later?
A few people have pointed this out, I guess there's an issue with the traffic atm. Upas and I are keeping an eye on it.
Post by: fatcoffeebeans on Wed, 15 April 2020, 10:12:15
Post by: Rob27shred on Wed, 15 April 2020, 10:27:14
Post by: Ensaum on Wed, 15 April 2020, 11:39:56
Post by: Rob27shred on Wed, 15 April 2020, 12:02:13
Lol, Cannon Keys already sold through their 150 unit max ^-^
Damn that was fast! Oh well, I wasn't 100% sure on it anyways. GL with the production guys!
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 15 April 2020, 12:49:18
Not to tempt you, but you can order from the other vendors too!Lol, Cannon Keys already sold through their 150 unit max ^-^
Damn that was fast! Oh well, I wasn't 100% sure on it anyways. GL with the production guys!
Post by: Mike89914 on Wed, 15 April 2020, 12:49:45
I was thinking of
WKL White top
black bottom
nylon plate (cuz it's black)
for the stormtrooper look.
What do you guys think? Also, did westfoxtrot say he prefers the nylon for this keyboard?
Post by: elmo on Wed, 15 April 2020, 13:03:32
enable the "edit after submit" function in case people change their minds about the options they selected :D
Post by: Rob27shred on Wed, 15 April 2020, 13:10:50
Not to tempt you, but you can order from the other vendors too!Lol, Cannon Keys already sold through their 150 unit max ^-^
Damn that was fast! Oh well, I wasn't 100% sure on it anyways. GL with the production guys!
Good point!
Post by: lunr on Wed, 15 April 2020, 13:38:33
Not to tempt you, but you can order from the other vendors too!Lol, Cannon Keys already sold through their 150 unit max ^-^
Damn that was fast! Oh well, I wasn't 100% sure on it anyways. GL with the production guys!
Post by: macclack on Wed, 15 April 2020, 14:50:14
Post by: Ensaum on Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:13:09
So... did they sell out? Not available on Cannon Keys anymore. I didn’t think there was a limit.
Connon keys had a unit cap. You should be able to order through one of the other vendors though. Ilumkb would probably be your best bet once it's live
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:40:00
So... did they sell out? Not available on Cannon Keys anymore. I didn’t think there was a limit.There wasn't a limit to the amount a single person could buy, but there was a limit to number being sold by the vendor. These sold out super fast
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:23:40
So... did they sell out? Not available on Cannon Keys anymore. I didn’t think there was a limit.There wasn't a limit to the amount a single person could buy, but there was a limit to number being sold by the vendor. These sold out super fast
CannonKeys had a limit of 150. The other vendors are still open until May 1st and will all ship to the US.
All vendors are now live
Post by: macclack on Wed, 15 April 2020, 18:38:30
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 15 April 2020, 19:40:22
WTS US Proxy Prophet. 5 thousand dollars.
Don't low ball me, I know what I got.
Post by: Ensaum on Wed, 15 April 2020, 20:19:30
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 15 April 2020, 23:46:43
Could you give a tldr of plate material stiffness/consistency out of the options offered? I could have sworn i saw this discussed in the ic but couldn't find it in a quick skim through. Currently leaning towards nylon but curious about the pp as well.
He's using Nylon on his own board if that tells you anything.
Post by: slxdegrees on Thu, 16 April 2020, 01:47:25
Could you give a tldr of plate material stiffness/consistency out of the options offered? I could have sworn i saw this discussed in the ic but couldn't find it in a quick skim through. Currently leaning towards nylon but curious about the pp as well.
He's using Nylon on his own board if that tells you anything.
Just caught the topclack video and it seemed like the nylon plate somehow 'dried up', causing everything else to bend?
Post by: Solotov on Thu, 16 April 2020, 01:51:12
Could you give a tldr of plate material stiffness/consistency out of the options offered? I could have sworn i saw this discussed in the ic but couldn't find it in a quick skim through. Currently leaning towards nylon but curious about the pp as well.
He's using Nylon on his own board if that tells you anything.
Wish we had nylon typing test...
Post by: LostGoatOnHill on Thu, 16 April 2020, 02:25:41
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Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 16 April 2020, 03:24:31
Could you give a tldr of plate material stiffness/consistency out of the options offered? I could have sworn i saw this discussed in the ic but couldn't find it in a quick skim through. Currently leaning towards nylon but curious about the pp as well.
He's using Nylon on his own board if that tells you anything.
Wish we had nylon typing test...
This is a link to a nylon typing test (https://youtu.be/ZXSGzKXGqWs?t=7058)
Could you give a tldr of plate material stiffness/consistency out of the options offered? I could have sworn i saw this discussed in the ic but couldn't find it in a quick skim through. Currently leaning towards nylon but curious about the pp as well.
He's using Nylon on his own board if that tells you anything.
Just caught the topclack video and it seemed like the nylon plate somehow 'dried up', causing everything else to bend?
Nylon will shrink over time, once it's in place in the assembly it doesn't cause a problem. I recently built with a nylon plate I have had since the last round and didn't have a problem (despite it being a PITA to assemble with)
My advice if you're concerned is to go with another material - all of them offer a great experience.
Which is stiffest of plate materials. Trying to decide for tactiles (hp). Thanks
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The stiffest would be PC but it's still not very stiff compared to metals :thumb:
Could you give a tldr of plate material stiffness/consistency out of the options offered? I could have sworn i saw this discussed in the ic but couldn't find it in a quick skim through. Currently leaning towards nylon but curious about the pp as well.
here's what I've previously said about these materials in relation to a plastic plate GB I ran:
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PC - relatively solid material, easy assembly - has a really nice sound profile in more traditional mounting methods (top/tray/sandwich) softens bottom out considerably compared to metals
PP - softest plastic IMO really softens out switch action in an interestingly uniform manner. Because it's soft it absorbs a lot of impact so lends itself well to flex-focussed applications
Nylon - my personal fave. softens impact nicely like PP but has a stronger deeper sound profile. excels in sandwich & pin-mount
and in regards this case in particular
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Both are softer than acrylic and PC. PP has a much lower rating in terms of hardness which gives it a really soft bottom out and a lighter note. Nylon has a slightly deeper note than that and is also slightly firmer. The advantage in both is they are soft enough to dampen vibrations from hitting switches
Fwiw nylon is my preferred material in this case
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 16 April 2020, 10:20:27
Edit: Just watched Chris' polypropylene typing test and it sounds amazing. Love the upstroke thwacks it has. Def going with PP.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 17 April 2020, 06:48:59
Post by: Solotov on Fri, 17 April 2020, 07:20:20
Post by: elmo on Fri, 17 April 2020, 08:11:39
(asking cuz I will most likely end up making my own for ANSI bottom row)
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 17 April 2020, 09:38:23
How thick are the default plates?
(asking cuz I will most likely end up making my own for ANSI bottom row)
1.5mm
Post by: wylietimes on Fri, 17 April 2020, 19:17:20
1) Between PP, PC and Nylon, which would be the more durable plate material?
2) Is the whole plate secured to just the pins or are the whole length of the sides sandwiched / friction secured between the base and the top?
3) Do other plates have the same pinholes to match or do I have to source the plate solely from you?
Sorry for the lengthy questions, I just have real concerns of the plate flexing and the corners breaking if those are the only points of securing the plate to the base like so:
(https://i.imgur.com/WsdDGWB.jpg)
I am quite the heavy typist and am prone to accidentally breaking fragile components in products.
Thanks!
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Sat, 18 April 2020, 00:01:33
Hi, been checking out the videos and pictures of the prophet and I and love the design and above all the sound of the board. I have to say that it is probably the nicest sounding board I have heard on video (I'm sure that its because of the new pin mount system). However, I do have a few questions mostly regarding the pin mount mechanism.
1) Between PP, PC and Nylon, which would be the more durable plate material?
2) Is the whole plate secured to just the pins or are the whole length of the sides sandwiched / friction secured between the base and the top?
3) Do other plates have the same pinholes to match or do I have to source the plate solely from you?
Sorry for the lengthy questions, I just have real concerns of the plate flexing and the corners breaking if those are the only points of securing the plate to the base like so:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WsdDGWB.jpg)
I am quite the heavy typist and am prone to accidentally breaking fragile components in products.
Thanks!
once you assemble it, you shouldn't break it unless you tried to damage the keyboard by hitting it, tho with much force I'm not sure if any other keyboard would survive.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Sat, 18 April 2020, 04:38:42
Hi, been checking out the videos and pictures of the prophet and I and love the design and above all the sound of the board. I have to say that it is probably the nicest sounding board I have heard on video (I'm sure that its because of the new pin mount system). However, I do have a few questions mostly regarding the pin mount mechanism.
1) Between PP, PC and Nylon, which would be the more durable plate material?
2) Is the whole plate secured to just the pins or are the whole length of the sides sandwiched / friction secured between the base and the top?
3) Do other plates have the same pinholes to match or do I have to source the plate solely from you?
Sorry for the lengthy questions, I just have real concerns of the plate flexing and the corners breaking if those are the only points of securing the plate to the base like so:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WsdDGWB.jpg)
I am quite the heavy typist and am prone to accidentally breaking fragile components in products.
Thanks!
1) They're all pretty durable and not prone to cracking. I think nylon or PC is the strongest.
2) the plate is only held in place by the pins, the top doesn't touch the plate.
3) the plate files are open sourced on my github (linked in the original post)
I am not a very heavy typist, hopefully some original round buyers can chime in.
There aren't really fragile parts however. You can push or put a lot of pressure on the plate and it doesn't break
Post by: wylietimes on Sat, 18 April 2020, 06:46:01
Post by: Solotov on Sat, 18 April 2020, 08:36:44
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Sat, 18 April 2020, 19:13:53
Hi, been checking out the videos and pictures of the prophet and I and love the design and above all the sound of the board. I have to say that it is probably the nicest sounding board I have heard on video (I'm sure that its because of the new pin mount system). However, I do have a few questions mostly regarding the pin mount mechanism.
1) Between PP, PC and Nylon, which would be the more durable plate material?
2) Is the whole plate secured to just the pins or are the whole length of the sides sandwiched / friction secured between the base and the top?
3) Do other plates have the same pinholes to match or do I have to source the plate solely from you?
Sorry for the lengthy questions, I just have real concerns of the plate flexing and the corners breaking if those are the only points of securing the plate to the base like so:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WsdDGWB.jpg)
I am quite the heavy typist and am prone to accidentally breaking fragile components in products.
Thanks!
1) They're all pretty durable and not prone to cracking. I think nylon or PC is the strongest.
2) the plate is only held in place by the pins, the top doesn't touch the plate.
3) the plate files are open sourced on my github (linked in the original post)
I am not a very heavy typist, hopefully some original round buyers can chime in.
There aren't really fragile parts however. You can push or put a lot of pressure on the plate and it doesn't break
Also, I cut my PP plate apart and it's still not broken.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/576452755766378496/659560573020930054/20191225_195740.jpg
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 18 April 2020, 21:06:24
Hi, been checking out the videos and pictures of the prophet and I and love the design and above all the sound of the board. I have to say that it is probably the nicest sounding board I have heard on video (I'm sure that its because of the new pin mount system). However, I do have a few questions mostly regarding the pin mount mechanism.
1) Between PP, PC and Nylon, which would be the more durable plate material?
2) Is the whole plate secured to just the pins or are the whole length of the sides sandwiched / friction secured between the base and the top?
3) Do other plates have the same pinholes to match or do I have to source the plate solely from you?
Sorry for the lengthy questions, I just have real concerns of the plate flexing and the corners breaking if those are the only points of securing the plate to the base like so:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WsdDGWB.jpg)
I am quite the heavy typist and am prone to accidentally breaking fragile components in products.
Thanks!
1) They're all pretty durable and not prone to cracking. I think nylon or PC is the strongest.
2) the plate is only held in place by the pins, the top doesn't touch the plate.
3) the plate files are open sourced on my github (linked in the original post)
I am not a very heavy typist, hopefully some original round buyers can chime in.
There aren't really fragile parts however. You can push or put a lot of pressure on the plate and it doesn't break
Also, I cut my PP plate apart and it's still not broken.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/576452755766378496/659560573020930054/20191225_195740.jpg
big brane move
Post by: 808San808 on Sun, 19 April 2020, 14:27:38
Post by: wylietimes on Thu, 23 April 2020, 16:42:21
1) Im planning to order the HHKB layout, how many sets of switches (sold in packs of 10) would I need?
2) Would I need to disassemble and lube the switches?
3) Would I need this tool? https://ilumkb.com/collections/accessories/products/2-in-1-puller
4) Which stabilizers should I choose from your shop? and of which configuration from the dropdown :
https://ilumkb.com/collections/stabs-lubes/products/authentic-cherry-pcb-mounted-stabilizers
https://ilumkb.com/collections/stabs-lubes/products/gmk-screw-in-stabs
Thanks lots again and so sorry for the many questions. I'm very much new to the hobby :)
Post by: chits on Thu, 23 April 2020, 17:10:54
I emailed Louis from the SEA retailer iLumkb regarding a few questions about purchase parts, my last email was 3 days ago and have still not received a reply. Just wondering if anyone could help me out here as I would like to place an order.
1) Im planning to order the HHKB layout, how many sets of switches (sold in packs of 10) would I need?
2) Would I need to disassemble and lube the switches?
3) Would I need this tool? https://ilumkb.com/collections/accessories/products/2-in-1-puller
4) Which stabilizers should I choose from your shop? and of which configuration from the dropdown :
https://ilumkb.com/collections/stabs-lubes/products/authentic-cherry-pcb-mounted-stabilizers
https://ilumkb.com/collections/stabs-lubes/products/gmk-screw-in-stabs
Thanks lots again and so sorry for the many questions. I'm very much new to the hobby :)
1) I would get 70-80 switches to be safe. The board itself will require a different number of switches based on the layout you choose (split backspace, split right shift etc)
2) If you want lubed switches, then yes you will have to.
3) That tool is useful and everyone should have one.
4) Screw in stabilizers are often preferred because they are more stable, less likely to come loose. You will want a 7u kit as the prophet only supports 7u spacebar.
Post by: Rafa_n on Thu, 23 April 2020, 17:13:26
I emailed Louis from the SEA retailer iLumkb regarding a few questions about purchase parts, my last email was 3 days ago and have still not received a reply. Just wondering if anyone could help me out here as I would like to place an order.
1) Im planning to order the HHKB layout, how many sets of switches (sold in packs of 10) would I need?
2) Would I need to disassemble and lube the switches?
3) Would I need this tool? https://ilumkb.com/collections/accessories/products/2-in-1-puller
4) Which stabilizers should I choose from your shop? and of which configuration from the dropdown :
https://ilumkb.com/collections/stabs-lubes/products/authentic-cherry-pcb-mounted-stabilizers
https://ilumkb.com/collections/stabs-lubes/products/gmk-screw-in-stabs
Thanks lots again and so sorry for the many questions. I'm very much new to the hobby :)
1) I would get 70-80 switches to be safe. The board itself will require a different number of switches based on the layout you choose (split backspace, split right shift etc)
2) If you want lubed switches, then yes you will have to.
3) That tool is useful and everyone should have one.
4) Screw in stabilizers are often preferred because they are more stable, less likely to come loose. You will want a 7u kit as the prophet only supports 7u spacebar.
this + you will also need a soldering iron + solder to build the keyboard. Unless you are planning to use a hotswap pcb.
Post by: self on Thu, 23 April 2020, 17:17:55
I would suggest you to buy 10 more (70 in total) if you are new to the hobby.
In order to lube your switches, you will need to disassemble them. You may buy a switch opener for doing this or you may use the screwdriver (check on YT, there are a lot of videos showing how to disassemble, lube and switch you switches).
The 2-in-1 tool you linked is a keycaps and switch puller, so you will need to get this as well if you don't want to damage your keycaps.
You may take any good PCB mounted stabs.
I personally prefer GMK screw-ins or Everglide stabs. I would suggest you to lube them (there are a lot of guides on YT).
Post by: JamCrumpet on Thu, 23 April 2020, 18:24:40
Anyone got any ideas for which keycaps would match nicely with e-white? I might pre-order GMK's Bleached which is just white on white.
Post by: wylietimes on Fri, 24 April 2020, 00:36:27
Post by: westway on Fri, 24 April 2020, 10:14:04
Just pre-ordered an e-white HHKB-ISO layout prophet :) HHKB-ISO is so hard to find.Take a look at GMK Minimall. There is an IC live right now.
Anyone got any ideas for which keycaps would match nicely with e-white? I might pre-order GMK's Bleached which is just white on white.
Post by: FatherFizz on Fri, 24 April 2020, 12:20:23
Post by: dmatx1 on Fri, 24 April 2020, 12:30:26
How do I go about ordering from mykeyboard.eu if I'm from the United States, because when I try and checkout, it doesn't let me put united states as an option
Use the Non-EU Order form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSej8ZS8ECDHA-SvjZBRdjeZoile_JI81WIA0wDtYNcOVFkEzw/viewform) link in the first post.
Post by: FatherFizz on Fri, 24 April 2020, 12:42:40
Post by: avtar on Fri, 24 April 2020, 15:01:16
Awesome thank you. I had filled it out around 14 hours ago so it was just thinking that I would have a reply by now or at least the Paypal invoice.
I filled it out about a week ago. I think they're going to send out payment requests soonish.
Post by: edctog on Fri, 24 April 2020, 16:18:46
... I have tested it with a hotswap PCB and it held fine but I am not a particularly heavy typist so your mileage might vary.
Which hotswap PCB did you try? Due to my indecision, I got 4 different plates (3 full + half nylon). I'm a 65% guy but this is looking so good so I broke my rule. Hopefully you will make a 65% next :D.
Post by: FireLock on Fri, 24 April 2020, 17:44:54
The form also asks if one wants a extra PCB/Plate which also is included in the same order number right? Better safe than sorry with these questions I guess. Thanks
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Post by: FoxFire007 on Fri, 24 April 2020, 19:14:40
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Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 24 April 2020, 19:47:54
I'm in the US. Can I purchase from dailyclack?
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Yes
Post by: westway on Sat, 25 April 2020, 04:18:49
Post by: RedBaron99 on Sat, 25 April 2020, 05:02:02
Post by: guzzi on Sat, 25 April 2020, 05:12:32
Is it a pain to switch from a 65% layout to a 60% standard or HHKB layout? I hope it isn't a stupid question, but I am worried to miss the arrow keys while coding. Meanwhile, I placed the order on mykeyboard on the first day. When am I going to receive the form to choose the layout and the plate?
I thought I'd have trouble getting used to my first 60 after only using 65s for over a year, but personally I've never had a real problem with it. You need to try out
different setups for arrow keys and nav cluster to see what works best for you, smart use of layers and macros for navigation heavy coding expressions make all the difference.
As for the form, there's a link on the mykb product page.
Post by: _PixelNinja on Sat, 25 April 2020, 05:16:59
Any chance of VIA support?
I'll let Max confirm, but he has alluded to it being in the pipeline.
Post by: dmatx1 on Sat, 25 April 2020, 05:30:45
Is it a pain to switch from a 65% layout to a 60% standard or HHKB layout? I hope it isn't a stupid question, but I am worried to miss the arrow keys while coding.
standard layout: use layers and map arrow keys to FN+WASD or FN+IJKL.. Or if you want one-key arrow keys then use QMK's modtap feature and use RSFT_T(KC_UP) for right Shift, RGUI_T(KC_LEFT) for right Win, LT(1, KC_DOWN) for right Fn, and RCTL_T(KC_RGHT) for right Ctrl. If you press these keys alone (or in a sequence second or later), they will act as arrow keys. If you press these keys with other keys (as first in the sequence), they will act as modifiers.
press right Ctrl → generates right
hold down right Ctrl → press A → generates Ctrl+A
hold down left Ctrl → press right Ctrl → generator Ctrl+right
HHKB layout: use HHKB's diamond-shaped (https://www.keychatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/keychatter_2015-02-24_22-46-52.jpg) nav cluster
When am I going to receive the form to choose the layout and the plate?
If you are from Europe, use the Google form link (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1D60UXUcuak4lNBvmf-5DJSF2Uvw56QOBHzq4CBuch94/edit) on the product page.
Post by: westway on Sat, 25 April 2020, 06:05:38
Is it a pain to switch from a 65% layout to a 60% standard or HHKB layout? I hope it isn't a stupid question, but I am worried to miss the arrow keys while coding.
standard layout: use layers and map arrow keys to FN+WASD or FN+IJKL.. Or if you want one-key arrow keys then use QMK's modtap feature and use RSFT_T(KC_UP) for right Shift, RGUI_T(KC_LEFT) for right Win, LT(1, KC_DOWN) for right Fn, and RCTL_T(KC_RGHT) for right Ctrl. If you press these keys alone (or in a sequence second or later), they will act as arrow keys. If you press these keys with other keys (as first in the sequence), they will act as modifiers.
press right Ctrl → generates right
hold down right Ctrl → press A → generates Ctrl+A
hold down left Ctrl → press right Ctrl → generator Ctrl+right
HHKB layout: use HHKB's diamond-shaped (https://www.keychatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/keychatter_2015-02-24_22-46-52.jpg) nav cluster
Thank you very much. I was looking exactly to this, as I had an Anne Pro 2 for a month which had a similar modtap feature.
When am I going to receive the form to choose the layout and the plate?
If you are from Europe, use the Google form link (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1D60UXUcuak4lNBvmf-5DJSF2Uvw56QOBHzq4CBuch94/edit) on the product page.
Thank you, I feel dumb when I don't read carefully. I don't know how I missed it in the product page.
Post by: mech0nly on Sat, 25 April 2020, 08:36:49
Post by: slxdegrees on Sun, 26 April 2020, 05:24:47
I wish ilumkb accepts Paypal ;)
I don't think any GB will accept Paypal due to their terms and conditions these days.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Sun, 26 April 2020, 08:40:18
I emailed Louis from the SEA retailer iLumkb regarding a few questions about purchase parts, my last email was 3 days ago and have still not received a reply. Just wondering if anyone could help me out here as I would like to place an order.
1) Im planning to order the HHKB layout, how many sets of switches (sold in packs of 10) would I need?
2) Would I need to disassemble and lube the switches?
3) Would I need this tool? https://ilumkb.com/collections/accessories/products/2-in-1-puller
4) Which stabilizers should I choose from your shop? and of which configuration from the dropdown :
https://ilumkb.com/collections/stabs-lubes/products/authentic-cherry-pcb-mounted-stabilizers
https://ilumkb.com/collections/stabs-lubes/products/gmk-screw-in-stabs
Thanks lots again and so sorry for the many questions. I'm very much new to the hobby :)
you can see a KLE here:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/15d2dbeccf8be54143ac8bb7d8b97d4d
1) for standard HHKB it's 60 switches exactly but I'd recommend having a few extra so grab 7 packs
2) If you want lubed switches then yes, some switches come pre-lubed
3) This is a really useful tool, you don't need it but it comes in handy imo
4) for hhkb you need 2*2u stabilisers and 1*7u stabiliser
I wish ilumkb accepts Paypal ;)
mykeyboard.eu are able to accept paypal as the new T&Cs aren't in effect in the EU yet
Any chance of VIA support?
I'll let Max confirm, but he has alluded to it being in the pipeline.
the PCB will support VIA, qmk and VIA port already done. Just not been merged into QMK yet.
Is it a pain to switch from a 65% layout to a 60% standard or HHKB layout? I hope it isn't a stupid question, but I am worried to miss the arrow keys while coding. Meanwhile, I placed the order on mykeyboard on the first day. When am I going to receive the form to choose the layout and the plate?
Personally I don't find it a problem, I like using 60s and 65s most and find hhkb arrows the most comfortable to swap between!
The form is available here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1D60UXUcuak4lNBvmf-5DJSF2Uvw56QOBHzq4CBuch94)
I'm in the US. Can I purchase from dailyclack?
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You can purchase from any of the vendors!
One question, when ordering from mykeyboard.eu I would need to buy the product first in order to fill in the order number in the form right?
The form also asks if one wants a extra PCB/Plate which also is included in the same order number right? Better safe than sorry with these questions I guess. Thanks
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You'll have one order number if you bought everything at the same time, if you have multiple order numbers you should be able to enter this in the field on the form.
... I have tested it with a hotswap PCB and it held fine but I am not a particularly heavy typist so your mileage might vary.
Which hotswap PCB did you try? Due to my indecision, I got 4 different plates (3 full + half nylon). I'm a 65% guy but this is looking so good so I broke my rule. Hopefully you will make a 65% next :D.
I have 3 65s in design/proto stages :eek:
I tried a HS60 v2 (it's the only hotswap PCB I have) but I think it's hand soldered, not sure if you'd have bigger issues with some of the cheaper ones.
Awesome thank you. I had filled it out around 14 hours ago so it was just thinking that I would have a reply by now or at least the Paypal invoice.
I filled it out about a week ago. I think they're going to send out payment requests soonish.
They have to manually process these invoice requests, they will be doing it in the next few days.
Sorry for taking a few days to reply everyone, life has been chaotic recently :-)
Post by: jackcauliflower on Thu, 30 April 2020, 08:10:49
Anyone order from Dailyclack received the link to form yet?Just ordered mine yesterday and haven’t received one yet. Will they be sending out a link once the GB closes?
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Post by: Solotov on Thu, 30 April 2020, 08:15:42
Anyone order from Dailyclack received the link to form yet?Just ordered mine yesterday and haven’t received one yet. Will they be sending out a link once the GB closes?
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They will send it in a couple days after placing an order. Just have to wait :thumb:.
Post by: chaosen on Thu, 30 April 2020, 09:32:38
Post by: jackcauliflower on Thu, 30 April 2020, 09:48:18
Cool beans, thanks for letting me know!Anyone order from Dailyclack received the link to form yet?Just ordered mine yesterday and haven’t received one yet. Will they be sending out a link once the GB closes?
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They will send it in a couple days after placing an order. Just have to wait :thumb:.
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Post by: segami on Thu, 30 April 2020, 10:25:23
Post by: Giptuke on Thu, 30 April 2020, 15:05:25
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 01 May 2020, 02:52:08
Sorry for the last minute question but how annoying is it actually to build with Nylon? Is there any risk of ruining the build? Have some concern because this is the first time I'll be soldering.
No you wouldn't be able to actually cause damage to anything. The biggest issue is you have to push the plate up from underneath to clip into the switches properly meaning you need to start at the centre of the board.
Post by: SourKimchi on Sun, 03 May 2020, 13:14:50
Post by: lys.nordique on Sun, 03 May 2020, 16:01:05
I saw that on ilumkb the group buy is still open. How long is it open for?
I have the same question.
Post by: dmatx1 on Sun, 03 May 2020, 16:14:30
It is already closed on MyKeyboard and DailyClack. It is Monday 5:13 AM in Singapore, so probably it will close in a couple hours.I saw that on ilumkb the group buy is still open. How long is it open for?
I have the same question.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 04 May 2020, 03:27:53
I saw that on ilumkb the group buy is still open. How long is it open for?
I have the same question.
It shouldn't still be open, I'll message them to change it
Post by: ComfortablyJuice on Sun, 10 May 2020, 14:49:49
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 11 May 2020, 04:48:11
Any chance there'll be extra tops in stock once these arrive to vendors? Really regretting not picking up a white top.
we will be ordering extras with each vendor to cover QC fails, hopefully everything is good and there will be some nice A-stock extras. Else there will be b-c stock
Post by: SourKimchi on Mon, 11 May 2020, 08:56:53
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 11 May 2020, 18:04:28
That’s amazing news!! I was so bummed I missed the group buy! Will you make an announcement when those are available?
Yes, likely will be here but no firm decision yet.
Post by: The Real Lippy on Tue, 09 June 2020, 21:55:15
Post by: cijanzen on Tue, 09 June 2020, 21:57:52
Does anyone know if there is a discord server for this GB? i got in through mech.eu and would like to follow updates, if they have them?https://discord.gg/JKMeBR
Post by: adamjohari on Thu, 11 June 2020, 21:11:04
The entrance of the rabbit hole
Post by: TemporaryFix101 on Fri, 12 June 2020, 21:57:04
Any chance of a raffle for an extra keyboard or a second round?
Post by: Rew23 on Sun, 21 June 2020, 16:47:40
Post by: Emir on Mon, 22 June 2020, 00:38:07
Sorry for the last minute question but how annoying is it actually to build with Nylon? Is there any risk of ruining the build? Have some concern because this is the first time I'll be soldering.
No you wouldn't be able to actually cause damage to anything. The biggest issue is you have to push the plate up from underneath to clip into the switches properly meaning you need to start at the centre of the board.
For plastic plates in general, I recommend using two skewers while putting in switches in a row at a time. Works wonders. ;)
Can confirm this method works fine with Nylon for my prophet.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 25 June 2020, 12:08:23
Will there be extra like pcbs, plates, and different tops available once the initial Groupbuy orders have been fulfilled?
I'm so sad I missed this. The sound tests by Koen Romers sound incredible. The Prophet and Zephyr are my favourite sounding boards so far.
Any chance of a raffle for an extra keyboard or a second round?
yes once all GB orders are shipped and verified extras will be sold. It is up to the vendors how they want to sell their extras :-)
Post by: Tarek on Sat, 27 June 2020, 08:19:11
Post by: CoolMike on Sat, 27 June 2020, 14:18:07
Such a fantastic job done here, I will be waiting for extras.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 02 July 2020, 04:56:07
Here's hoping the Nylon plate doesn't give me too much trouble but I'm pretty sure ill end up using PP and Nylon as a potential backup. Honestly super excited for this one. Can't wait.
I really think everyone is worried too much about it! I haven't had an issue with mine.
I neglected to pick this up when I had the chance and now I regret not having one for my collection.
Such a fantastic job done here, I will be waiting for extras.
Thanks for the kind words
Post by: Emir on Thu, 02 July 2020, 05:04:51
It will be your best typing experience, but with time it stiffens and loses its overly unique properties over other plastic plates.
With that said, even knowing this, I ordered 2 boards with nylon plates exclusively. :)
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 10 July 2020, 05:57:52
If you got a Nylon plate, I recommend using it right away. These shrink over time, at one point they will no longer fit the board.
It will be your best typing experience, but with time it stiffens and loses its overly unique properties over other plastic plates.
With that said, even knowing this, I ordered 2 boards with nylon plates exclusively. :)
FWIW I had a half nylon plate in the box for over 8 months and used it for a build and it worked fine - it was a little harder to build with but once built worked as the other does. Of course your mileage might vary.
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 04 August 2020, 17:43:13
I chose HHKB, but am now realizing WKL or Standard is way more practical for my needs.
Post by: Zeelobby on Tue, 04 August 2020, 18:19:34
So.. Just out of curiosity.. What would be the deadline to edit the option selection form?Well past. The boards are already being manufactured. Best you can do is ask whatever vendor you bought from if they'd be willing to swap it out when they get them in with some of the extras. Or find someone with the top you want to trade with.
I chose HHKB, but am now realizing WKL or Standard is way more practical for my needs.
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 04 August 2020, 18:47:56
So.. Just out of curiosity.. What would be the deadline to edit the option selection form?Well past. The boards are already being manufactured. Best you can do is ask whatever vendor you bought from if they'd be willing to swap it out when they get them in with some of the extras. Or find someone with the top you want to trade with.
I chose HHKB, but am now realizing WKL or Standard is way more practical for my needs.
Kinda figured this would be the case. Honestly might just try and get an extra top :D
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 17 August 2020, 07:47:49
Post by: Solotov on Mon, 17 August 2020, 10:08:12
Post by: Cujo96 on Wed, 19 August 2020, 23:35:33
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 20 August 2020, 00:01:32
Is there a discord that we can join? I can't seem to find one on the website anywhere.There's a link in the opening post.
Post by: Cujo96 on Thu, 20 August 2020, 00:55:11
I am so blind, thanks lmaoIs there a discord that we can join? I can't seem to find one on the website anywhere.There's a link in the opening post.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Tue, 01 September 2020, 05:53:00
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 11 September 2020, 09:01:25
Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 01 October 2020, 07:43:38
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 26 October 2020, 06:41:55
Post by: elmo on Mon, 26 October 2020, 09:37:14
Post by: 808San808 on Fri, 30 October 2020, 00:27:20
Thank you
Post by: zekth on Sat, 31 October 2020, 02:28:36
Post by: westfoxtrot on Tue, 03 November 2020, 03:17:03
Will extra accessories be for sale anytime in the future? I neglected to pick up an extra plate and stuff.
Thank you
Extras will be in the hands of the individual vendors - there are extras of everything though!
Post by: Rafa_n on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:37:28
Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 18 November 2020, 06:41:53
have the boards shipped to the vendors?Yup
Post by: kchlam on Mon, 23 November 2020, 01:32:33
have the boards shipped to the vendors?Yup
When can we expect it to ship?
Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 26 November 2020, 06:49:52
have the boards shipped to the vendors?Yup
When can we expect it to ship?
Most is still on its way to the vendors - once they have it most estimate 1-2 weeks for QC and packing before they will begin shipping so hopefully we're looking at 1st-2nd week of December for shipping
Post by: Emir on Thu, 03 December 2020, 13:51:02
(https://i.imgur.com/eyaEG00.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hXaxTWM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wgO501n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rxhgunm.jpg)
Disclaimer: Brass is not max approved and he won't run it as it doesn't align with his vision for the board, don't bother him about these.
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 03 December 2020, 13:56:07
Which one do I go with :oShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/eyaEG00.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXaxTWM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wgO501n.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rxhgunm.jpg)
Disclaimer: Brass is not max approved and he won't run it as it doesn't align with his vision for the board, don't bother him about these.
PC and brass all day.
Is there a planned r2 with a frosted PC option? Or are these just protos.
Post by: Emir on Thu, 03 December 2020, 13:57:11
Which one do I go with :oShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/eyaEG00.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXaxTWM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wgO501n.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rxhgunm.jpg)
Disclaimer: Brass is not max approved and he won't run it as it doesn't align with his vision for the board, don't bother him about these.
PC and brass all day.
Is there a planned r2 with a frosted PC option? Or are these just protos.
These are private runs and Max has explicitly said he won't run brass, probably same for PC
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 03 December 2020, 14:00:39
These are private runs and Max has explicitly said he won't run brass, probably same for PC
Gotcha. A good pc 60% has been on my endgame list for a while. Guess I'll just keep waiting for a second run of Klippe S then.
Post by: Joaquox on Thu, 03 December 2020, 14:34:32
Which one do I go with :o
The one that got stolen and ended up on ebay covered in spunk. At least it got a good story to it!
Post by: kaisn on Thu, 03 December 2020, 16:36:14
Post by: datfroyodoe on Thu, 03 December 2020, 16:49:39
Curious to know why. Do you know was it because of cost/sound/weight?Which one do I go with :oShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/eyaEG00.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXaxTWM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wgO501n.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rxhgunm.jpg)
Disclaimer: Brass is not max approved and he won't run it as it doesn't align with his vision for the board, don't bother him about these.
PC and brass all day.
Is there a planned r2 with a frosted PC option? Or are these just protos.
These are private runs and Max has explicitly said he won't run brass, probably same for PC
Post by: Emir on Fri, 04 December 2020, 04:19:53
Curious to know why. Do you know was it because of cost/sound/weight?Which one do I go with :oShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/eyaEG00.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXaxTWM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wgO501n.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rxhgunm.jpg)
Disclaimer: Brass is not max approved and he won't run it as it doesn't align with his vision for the board, don't bother him about these.
PC and brass all day.
Is there a planned r2 with a frosted PC option? Or are these just protos.
These are private runs and Max has explicitly said he won't run brass, probably same for PC
doesn't align with the designers vision of the board
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 11 December 2020, 09:39:47
Curious to know why. Do you know was it because of cost/sound/weight?Which one do I go with :oShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/eyaEG00.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXaxTWM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wgO501n.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rxhgunm.jpg)
Disclaimer: Brass is not max approved and he won't run it as it doesn't align with his vision for the board, don't bother him about these.
PC and brass all day.
Is there a planned r2 with a frosted PC option? Or are these just protos.
These are private runs and Max has explicitly said he won't run brass, probably same for PC
doesn't align with the designers vision of the board
PC is more a technical limitation of the design - it's tricky to have it support a robust thread for the screw points as there's not enough space for heat set inserts so I think some work needs to be done around hardware for the board before there's a large run of it.
Just FYI for all this run was not organised by me - I'm not opposed to the PC though my unit is not perfect and I think you lose a little of what makes it special with the PC variant. It's not something I'd be comfortable running as is.
Regards to a round 2 - there's no firm plans one way or the other. I don't treat boards as "work" so for me I like to keep things interesting by not re-treading the same space, I'm not saying it won't happen again but due to the time commitment of running a group buy I don't feel comfortable running multiple boards at once and I have other boards I'd like to make in the meantime.
All that said - I really hope those who bought a PC/brass variant are really pleased with the board and that it meets up to what they want. At the end of the day I'd like everyone to have a board that makes *them* happy rather than aligns with what I want the board to be.
Curious to know why. Do you know was it because of cost/sound/weight?Which one do I go with :oShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/eyaEG00.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hXaxTWM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wgO501n.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rxhgunm.jpg)
Disclaimer: Brass is not max approved and he won't run it as it doesn't align with his vision for the board, don't bother him about these.
PC and brass all day.
Is there a planned r2 with a frosted PC option? Or are these just protos.
These are private runs and Max has explicitly said he won't run brass, probably same for PC
With regards to why I don't like the brass there's a few reasons. Firstly, I'm really not a fan of the way it adjusts the sound profile. Of course this is personal preference and YMMV but I think it negatively affects this enough that my brass base sits in a box unused*. Secondly, I actually think that one of the advantages of prophet as it comes is the weight - it's heavy enough to not be knocked around but light enough you can carry it to and from the office (if that ever happens again). Thirdly, the cost increase is substantial considering it subtracts from the overall experience.
*No it's not for sale - not at any price
Post by: datfroyodoe on Fri, 11 December 2020, 19:50:09
Curious to know why. Do you know was it because of cost/sound/weight?
With regards to why I don't like the brass there's a few reasons. Firstly, I'm really not a fan of the way it adjusts the sound profile. Of course this is personal preference and YMMV but I think it negatively affects this enough that my brass base sits in a box unused*. Secondly, I actually think that one of the advantages of prophet as it comes is the weight - it's heavy enough to not be knocked around but light enough you can carry it to and from the office (if that ever happens again). Thirdly, the cost increase is substantial considering it subtracts from the overall experience.
*No it's not for sale - not at any price
ah damn so it was all 3. thanks again for the detailed insights! can't wait to my board to arrive and try it out.
Post by: infinii on Mon, 14 December 2020, 07:44:39
Very surprised to open and see a keyboard case included included. Sorry no pics and not sure when I'll get around to building it yet.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 14 December 2020, 09:27:42
Just got mine delivered today from Illumkb
Very surprised to open and see a keyboard case included included. Sorry no pics and not sure when I'll get around to building it yet.
Glad to hear it arrived safely!
Post by: hkiri on Mon, 14 December 2020, 12:58:38
Post by: zekth on Mon, 14 December 2020, 13:38:41
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 14 December 2020, 16:34:07
Received mine! Also pretty amazed by the fact it includes a bag also! :thumb:
Just got mine delivered today from Illumkb
Very surprised to open and see a keyboard case included included. Sorry no pics and not sure when I'll get around to building it yet.
Ohhh, please post pics when you are able!
Post by: westfoxtrot on Tue, 15 December 2020, 06:52:44
Does MyKeyboard already have their Prophets?
Yes
Also updated OP
Post by: Joaquox on Tue, 15 December 2020, 07:11:04
Update 9: It has come to my attention there is some issues with some Nylon plates. We are currently trying to gauge the scope of the issue, we have previously agreed to a resolution with the manufacturer and it seems that most of the parts are testing just fine.I didn't order nylon, do I still have to wait for this to be resolved? MyKeeb as vendor.
Post by: Fisher on Wed, 16 December 2020, 03:25:35
Post by: yhs on Wed, 16 December 2020, 04:51:55
Cool!!
No. Also my nylon plate from MK has no issues.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 16 December 2020, 05:33:44
Update 9: It has come to my attention there is some issues with some Nylon plates. We are currently trying to gauge the scope of the issue, we have previously agreed to a resolution with the manufacturer and it seems that most of the parts are testing just fine.I didn't order nylon, do I still have to wait for this to be resolved? MyKeeb as vendor.
No - it also shouldn't affect anyone who did order Nylon at the moment.
Post by: zekth on Wed, 16 December 2020, 05:37:46
https://imgur.com/a/MzV3adj
Post by: diseeease on Tue, 29 December 2020, 17:48:42
(https://i.imgur.com/k2IxRwth.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/288pmDPh.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/obqTd98h.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/4yPjHH7h.png)
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 29 December 2020, 22:08:55
Post by: krautcat on Thu, 31 December 2020, 12:11:17
Very good, despite I don't generally like SA profile on the boards with small bezels.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 15 January 2021, 16:59:00
Not sure what switches to put in it. I didn’t feel anything special about the board when I tried linears. My gateron kangaroo ink did feel really good though. We shall see. More experimenting to come.
Post by: Ensaum on Fri, 15 January 2021, 17:48:44
Post by: pott on Fri, 15 January 2021, 18:18:24
* I cannot fit it over the stabs
* I cannot mount it to the keyboard: the mounting holes are too small and even if I locate one correctly (without actually mounting it), the other corners aren't aligned
It seems that the plate is shrunk down by a small amount, i.e. the ratio isn't 100%... This is so weird.
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 15 January 2021, 18:31:11
Just got mine. Nylon plate. Does not fit. It's too small.It's happened to a couple others. Just heat it up slowly and stretch it out. Hairdryer, heat gun, boiling water, and stretch. Once it's in the case should help it keep it's form.
* I cannot fit it over the stabs
* I cannot mount it to the keyboard: the mounting holes are too small and even if I locate one correctly (without actually mounting it), the other corners aren't aligned
It seems that the plate is shrunk down by a small amount, i.e. the ratio isn't 100%... This is so weird.
Post by: pott on Fri, 15 January 2021, 18:52:31
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 16 January 2021, 15:29:04
Any chance of extras available in the near future?
Post by: pott on Sat, 16 January 2021, 20:36:08
That being said, this worry apart, I am truly enjoying this keyboard. It's just really nice and looks great!
Post by: Aerizu on Sun, 17 January 2021, 01:20:22
So I can get the plate over the pins but it causes the pcb to curve. When I dry fit it, without soldering, the PCB pulls off of the plate when I finally get it over the pins. I don’t know what will happen if I solder the switches. Kinda wishing I would have just bought a PP plate.
Any chance of extras available in the near future?
I have the same predicament. Definitely interested if there are any plans for extra plates.
Post by: _PixelNinja on Sun, 17 January 2021, 04:50:20
Post by: pott on Sun, 17 January 2021, 19:10:42
We'll see. Something more concrete would have been welcome here, as needing to soak a plate upon receipt is hardly customer-friendly nor expected out of a GB, for which customers pay for a functional product.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 17 January 2021, 23:05:21
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 18 January 2021, 05:58:05
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 18 January 2021, 06:00:00
I mean at the same time it's a novel mounting with novel materials. In cases like this there's always risk. I'm sure vendors/max will do what is necessary to resolve the issue, but heating up and stretching a plate isn't the apocalypse. We lube switches cause they're scratchy, we add foam to improve sound. We buy custom keycaps to change the feel. We do tons of stuff to improve a board and make it optimal. Even if nylon and pp plates require some additional love and care, it's just the nature of the material, and those two plate materials making up the major appeal of the board.
FWIW PP shouldn't require any additional work. Nylon is a more problematic material and due to what happened behind the scenes in the manufacturing process we had more trouble than expected this side of the buy
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 18 January 2021, 08:23:23
Your right. I corrected. No one has had any issues with pp. Nylon as a material is just known to shrink and expand, mostly due to moisture.I mean at the same time it's a novel mounting with novel materials. In cases like this there's always risk. I'm sure vendors/max will do what is necessary to resolve the issue, but heating up and stretching a plate isn't the apocalypse. We lube switches cause they're scratchy, we add foam to improve sound. We buy custom keycaps to change the feel. We do tons of stuff to improve a board and make it optimal. Even if nylon and pp plates require some additional love and care, it's just the nature of the material, and those two plate materials making up the major appeal of the board.
FWIW PP shouldn't require any additional work. Nylon is a more problematic material and due to what happened behind the scenes in the manufacturing process we had more trouble than expected this side of the buy
Post by: Joaquox on Wed, 20 January 2021, 02:16:49
(https://i.redd.it/v7f67vvvgcc61.jpg)
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 20 January 2021, 07:25:50
Mine arrived yesterday, and I must say it's quite decent. Well done Max!
Looks great :thumb:
Post by: pott on Wed, 20 January 2021, 15:15:06
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 22 January 2021, 03:41:23
Black Prophet, Nylon plate, Mauves, GMK Taro R2.
Looks really nice! Hope you are pleased :thumb:
Post by: pott on Fri, 22 January 2021, 16:20:02
Post by: kew0184 on Wed, 27 January 2021, 10:41:40
Black WKL prophet / Gat black KS3
Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 28 January 2021, 03:16:30
I just built my Prophet today but i foundnthat my PCB doesnot working. Only 50% of all key works. I will try to continue troubleshoot tomorrow.
Black WKL prophet / Gat black KS3
Did it test OK before building? if it's definitely a faulty PCB then the vendors all have replacements so please open a support ticket with them
Post by: Zurg Eon on Sat, 30 January 2021, 15:33:38
Overall very happy with the looks, sound and the flexy feel. It's built with Gateron Black Ink switches. Thank you for a great board, westfoxtrot!
(https://i.imgur.com/eFYmcHe.jpg)
P.S.: Having to worry about only two stabilisers is pretty nice. Shout out to Jae-3soteric for advocating split left shift for an extra key for gaming! :thumb:
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 30 January 2021, 15:43:19
Kinda addicted to it at the moment. Looking for a white WKL or HHKB if anyone has one to sell :p
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Post by: Ensaum on Sat, 30 January 2021, 19:34:52
I already shared my pics on discord, but I'll put it here too. I used Gateron yellow KS-3s lubed on the stem and housing with 205g0. 1/2 POM (delrin) plate cut from Ponoko. I didn't need to do anything to available plate file. Just uploaded it and got it at my house about 10 days later. Fantastic feel and sound. Couldn't be happier.
Kinda addicted to it at the moment. Looking for a white WKL or HHKB if anyone has one to sell :p
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I'm trying to upload the dxf to get a plate made, but it keeps getting stuck at 100% optimization and perpetually loading. Did you have this problem?
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 30 January 2021, 19:39:40
Post by: Ensaum on Sat, 30 January 2021, 19:42:50
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 30 January 2021, 19:59:11
Nope, just uploaded it directly from the zip. I did try in Edge and had the same problem.
I just tried uploading the same file that I uploaded 2 weeks ago and it's stuck at 100%. Must be an issue with their site. Probably can't upload anything atm. Either email support or wait until tomorrow to try again?
Post by: Ensaum on Sat, 30 January 2021, 20:02:44
Nope, just uploaded it directly from the zip. I did try in Edge and had the same problem.
I just tried uploading the same file that I uploaded 2 weeks ago and it's stuck at 100%. Must be an issue with their site. Probably can't upload anything atm. Either email support or wait until tomorrow to try again?
Yeah, I just emailed them and I'll try again tomorrow.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Tue, 09 February 2021, 10:48:32
Post by: kchlam on Wed, 17 February 2021, 23:27:59
Finally got around to filming a typing test and doing a short write-up about the Prophet! Simple and elegant. Can't wait to see what you guys have to offer in the future!
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 22 February 2021, 05:30:43
Finally got around to filming a typing test and doing a short write-up about the Prophet! Simple and elegant. Can't wait to see what you guys have to offer in the future!
nice write up and thank you for the kind words :thumb:
Post by: Rew23 on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:13:40
Post by: nasp on Mon, 22 February 2021, 21:52:41
Unsure if this similar to the issues that was addressed in the most recent update on the OP, but when I hit spacebar the entire column of 6yhb activates. May just be a borked pcb or I shocked it or something. Gonna have to grab some extra pcbs and plates when they go up.
Sounds like bridged pins on your MCU
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 24 February 2021, 03:43:24
Unsure if this similar to the issues that was addressed in the most recent update on the OP, but when I hit spacebar the entire column of 6yhb activates. May just be a borked pcb or I shocked it or something. Gonna have to grab some extra pcbs and plates when they go up.
This is different to the more common issue. If you open a support ticket with your vendor they can offer a replacement
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 24 February 2021, 10:53:27
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 26 February 2021, 09:50:24
I find myself thinking about the typing feel of this keyboard even when I'm not using it. Not sure if it's the 1/2 plate, or the flex cuts or the switches or the lube job or the case design... probably a perfect storm of all the above.
Thanks for the kind words! Glad to hear you are enjoying it :)
Post by: WetRacoon on Tue, 23 March 2021, 11:39:08
Updated OP to address PCB and Nylon plate issues.
Any progress on this? My board was working fine for a couple months but yesterday the PCB issue with the num row setting off the entire column just popped up. I was bashing my head against a wall trying to figure out what was going on, made sure the board wasn't shorting somewhere, did a clean up, a reset and nothing...then I came back here and saw the issue.
Very frustrating :\
Awesome board otherwise though! Love the typing feel, it's my favorite right now.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Tue, 23 March 2021, 14:31:02
Updated OP to address PCB and Nylon plate issues.
Any progress on this? My board was working fine for a couple months but yesterday the PCB issue with the num row setting off the entire column just popped up. I was bashing my head against a wall trying to figure out what was going on, made sure the board wasn't shorting somewhere, did a clean up, a reset and nothing...then I came back here and saw the issue.
Very frustrating :\
Awesome board otherwise though! Love the typing feel, it's my favorite right now.
Yes - please check the first post I have added all the details there! sorry for the trouble
Post by: WetRacoon on Tue, 23 March 2021, 15:48:02
Updated OP to address PCB and Nylon plate issues.
Any progress on this? My board was working fine for a couple months but yesterday the PCB issue with the num row setting off the entire column just popped up. I was bashing my head against a wall trying to figure out what was going on, made sure the board wasn't shorting somewhere, did a clean up, a reset and nothing...then I came back here and saw the issue.
Very frustrating :\
Awesome board otherwise though! Love the typing feel, it's my favorite right now.
Yes - please check the first post I have added all the details there! sorry for the trouble
Awesome thank you! I'll give it a go tonight and see if it resolves the problem.
And no need to apologize, **** happens. Thanks for the awesome board!
Post by: WetRacoon on Thu, 25 March 2021, 15:16:21
Updated OP to address PCB and Nylon plate issues.
Any progress on this? My board was working fine for a couple months but yesterday the PCB issue with the num row setting off the entire column just popped up. I was bashing my head against a wall trying to figure out what was going on, made sure the board wasn't shorting somewhere, did a clean up, a reset and nothing...then I came back here and saw the issue.
Very frustrating :\
Awesome board otherwise though! Love the typing feel, it's my favorite right now.
Yes - please check the first post I have added all the details there! sorry for the trouble
So I flashed the board last night and all was good until earlier today when it started doing the same thing. Perhaps I did something wrong during the flash process? Followed all the usual steps, made sure it was in DFU and cleared eeprom. Is there anything else I should be doing here? I'll try flashing again tonight, hopefully this isn't a recurring issue with my board.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 26 March 2021, 10:18:17
Updated OP to address PCB and Nylon plate issues.
Any progress on this? My board was working fine for a couple months but yesterday the PCB issue with the num row setting off the entire column just popped up. I was bashing my head against a wall trying to figure out what was going on, made sure the board wasn't shorting somewhere, did a clean up, a reset and nothing...then I came back here and saw the issue.
Very frustrating :\
Awesome board otherwise though! Love the typing feel, it's my favorite right now.
Yes - please check the first post I have added all the details there! sorry for the trouble
So I flashed the board last night and all was good until earlier today when it started doing the same thing. Perhaps I did something wrong during the flash process? Followed all the usual steps, made sure it was in DFU and cleared eeprom. Is there anything else I should be doing here? I'll try flashing again tonight, hopefully this isn't a recurring issue with my board.
That's really odd - you're the first person to report something like that. Most people have not had a recurring issue. Try flashing again by holding esc and plugging in the board, hopefully this resolves. If not then please open a support ticket with your vendor for a replacement
Post by: WetRacoon on Sun, 28 March 2021, 18:16:19
Updated OP to address PCB and Nylon plate issues.
Any progress on this? My board was working fine for a couple months but yesterday the PCB issue with the num row setting off the entire column just popped up. I was bashing my head against a wall trying to figure out what was going on, made sure the board wasn't shorting somewhere, did a clean up, a reset and nothing...then I came back here and saw the issue.
Very frustrating :\
Awesome board otherwise though! Love the typing feel, it's my favorite right now.
Yes - please check the first post I have added all the details there! sorry for the trouble
So I flashed the board last night and all was good until earlier today when it started doing the same thing. Perhaps I did something wrong during the flash process? Followed all the usual steps, made sure it was in DFU and cleared eeprom. Is there anything else I should be doing here? I'll try flashing again tonight, hopefully this isn't a recurring issue with my board.
That's really odd - you're the first person to report something like that. Most people have not had a recurring issue. Try flashing again by holding esc and plugging in the board, hopefully this resolves. If not then please open a support ticket with your vendor for a replacement
I flashed it again and so far so good. I'll keep an eye on it though - super weird for sure.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 06 May 2021, 08:52:09
The prize is a WKL E-White Prophet with PP Plate, PCB, & Case. Worldwide entries are welcome!
Please make sure you tick to share your details with me so I can email you if you win. If there's no name or email I have no way of verifying entries!
Please enter here: https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/prophetraffle
Post by: niicao on Sun, 15 August 2021, 16:28:47
Post by: Rafa_n on Sun, 15 August 2021, 18:32:17
any chance of a r3? been wanting a prophet for so long but no sign of extras and i missed the angel ;-;
you can get one on mechmarket pretty easily, and for a reasonable price
Post by: pott on Wed, 18 August 2021, 15:55:34
But.
The stock nylon plate was unusable.
I did the hot water bath to try and stretch it out. It did not revert to its correct size as to fit the keyboard. The plate is too small. I had to purchase an aftermarket POM plate (which is very nice).
It is disappointing that a solution could not be made between the designers and Cannonkeys. I did pay for the whole keyboard, but did not get a functional plate. I did contact Cannonkeys but they did not offer a replacement plate nor compensation.
Post by: Ensaum on Wed, 18 August 2021, 16:31:19
I really like my Prophet.
But.
The stock nylon plate was unusable.
I did the hot water bath to try and stretch it out. It did not revert to its correct size as to fit the keyboard. The plate is too small. I had to purchase an aftermarket POM plate (which is very nice).
It is disappointing that a solution could not be made between the designers and Cannonkeys. I did pay for the whole keyboard, but did not get a functional plate. I did contact Cannonkeys but they did not offer a replacement plate nor compensation.
Same thing happened to me, except I ordered a pp plate and cannon sent a nylon one anyways. They also sent the wrong top too.. I kinda just decided I wouldn't be ordering from them moving forward.
Post by: lys.nordique on Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:58:35
I really like my Prophet.
But.
The stock nylon plate was unusable.
I did the hot water bath to try and stretch it out. It did not revert to its correct size as to fit the keyboard. The plate is too small. I had to purchase an aftermarket POM plate (which is very nice).
It is disappointing that a solution could not be made between the designers and Cannonkeys. I did pay for the whole keyboard, but did not get a functional plate. I did contact Cannonkeys but they did not offer a replacement plate nor compensation.
Same thing happened to me, except I ordered a pp plate and cannon sent a nylon one anyways. They also sent the wrong top too.. I kinda just decided I wouldn't be ordering from them moving forward.
I got the same kind of customer service with another keyboard from them that arrived defective. Basically, there was no discussion, I was wrong and they were right...
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 24 August 2021, 14:17:53
Basically, there was no discussion, I was wrong and they were right...
It's good to know that other people had the same experience as me. Luckily, they haven't run anything interesting (to me) since prophet, so I don't really feel like I'm missing out. I was going to trade my hhkb top anyways, so that worked out. I just wanted a functional plate. But nope, I had to go get one custom cut.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 26 August 2021, 04:08:41
Sorry you had trouble - I didn't get much fed back to me about fails on the nylon aside from people reaching out directly. If you send me a private message on here I'd love to further talk about it and see if I can resolve this personally somehow.
I really like my Prophet.
But.
The stock nylon plate was unusable.
I did the hot water bath to try and stretch it out. It did not revert to its correct size as to fit the keyboard. The plate is too small. I had to purchase an aftermarket POM plate (which is very nice).
It is disappointing that a solution could not be made between the designers and Cannonkeys. I did pay for the whole keyboard, but did not get a functional plate. I did contact Cannonkeys but they did not offer a replacement plate nor compensation.
Post by: Koniotaur on Sun, 29 August 2021, 11:30:14
Post by: pott on Mon, 30 August 2021, 14:49:21
Hi,
Sorry you had trouble - I didn't get much fed back to me about fails on the nylon aside from people reaching out directly. If you send me a private message on here I'd love to further talk about it and see if I can resolve this personally somehow.I really like my Prophet.
But.
The stock nylon plate was unusable.
I did the hot water bath to try and stretch it out. It did not revert to its correct size as to fit the keyboard. The plate is too small. I had to purchase an aftermarket POM plate (which is very nice).
It is disappointing that a solution could not be made between the designers and Cannonkeys. I did pay for the whole keyboard, but did not get a functional plate. I did contact Cannonkeys but they did not offer a replacement plate nor compensation.
Much appreciated! I PMd you.
Post by: Ensaum on Thu, 27 January 2022, 14:04:52
Post by: pott on Thu, 27 January 2022, 16:51:48
Still using an aftermarket POM plate with mine, a really great fit.
Post by: infinii on Tue, 16 May 2023, 04:30:32
Anyone have problem with usb-c port sitting too low in the hole? I can't fully insert my usb-c cable.
https://imgur.com/a/YmSNaGA
Post by: mmayhem17 on Tue, 16 May 2023, 14:12:33
Only getting around to building this now.
Anyone have problem with usb-c port sitting too low in the hole? I can't fully insert my usb-c cable.
https://imgur.com/a/YmSNaGA
I never got that issue, and I built mine with 4 different pcbs and did almost a dozen builds, maybe you have a bent pin or the switches aren't flush on the pcb?
Post by: infinii on Tue, 16 May 2023, 21:16:47
The switches are on the top of the PCB. How would that affect the USB port?
I've eyeballed it and all my switches are sitting flush.
It's as if the hole cut out in the case is too high. The port sits flush on the bottom of the hole (as opposed to squarely in the middle).
Post by: honoka on Wed, 17 May 2023, 05:15:55
Post by: honoka on Wed, 17 May 2023, 05:23:10
The switches need to go through the plate and then into the pcb.
Post by: infinii on Wed, 17 May 2023, 06:33:07
Once seen it cannot be unseen. My dude, it looks like you have put the switches in the pcb, thrown the pcb down in the bottom of the case and then just slapped the plate on top.
The switches need to go through the plate and then into the pcb.
Whoa, really?? That's exactly what I did. Thanks, looks like I'll have a lot of desoldering to do this weekend.
Post by: infinii on Wed, 17 May 2023, 10:07:41
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Post by: honoka on Wed, 17 May 2023, 10:09:03
Thanks honoka! I had a spare plate so didn't wait to unsolder my mistake and was able to put everything together tonight.Nice! Glad it worked out
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