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Offline Lester

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« on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 10:51:31 »
Hello geekhack!

I've been looking arround for a while now and decided I want to buy a mechanical keyboard.
Also I've decided that I'd love to have a keyboard with Cherry MX Red switches.
But now I can't choose between what brands.
First I was doubting between Leopold, Ducky and Filco, but apparantly Leopold parts are hard to replace unlike the Ducky / Filco ones (with keycaps etc.) so I've decided not to go for a Leopold.
Now I cannot decide wether to go for a Ducky or a Filco keyboard.
Also I'm looking for a wrist-rest (I saw Ducky and Filco both have wrist rests but the Filco ones seem very pricy :()
It also seems there are some Ducky keyboards which come with an included wrist-rest but I can't seem to find out which model includes these.
Ducky has many models, 1087 (apparantly Tenkeyless), 9000, 9008, 9008G2, but I've got no idea what the differences are between these models.
Anyone happens to've tried both Ducky and Filco keyboards and can give me some suggestions?

Help is much appreciated!
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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 10:57:00 »
To make things easier for you, Plu, Plum and Noppoo are all rolling out models with red switches as well.

Meanwhile, I don't think there's a 1087 with reds, in fact the only red switch toting Duckies are 9000G2 and the soon to be released 9008G2 limited white edition.
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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 11:13:15 »
wlcm 2 gh.

go for tried and true, the filco
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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 11:21:00 »
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wlcm 2 gh.

go for tried and true, the filco

 
Seconded. Can't recommend Filco highly enough
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Offline Lester

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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 11:34:30 »
Thx for the replies everyone!! :)

Quote from: foliolio;355521
To make things easier for you, Plu, Plum and Noppoo are all rolling out models with red switches as well.

Meanwhile, I don't think there's a 1087 with reds, in fact the only red switch toting Duckies are 9000G2 and the soon to be released 9008G2 limited white edition.
I've saw those Plu floating arround on ebay but I haven't been able to find much info about them, are they reliable quality brands? Also I'm wondering what is the difference between the 9000G2 & 9008G2? And do any of them come with a wrist-rest? (Saw some ducky's coming with wrist rest on some unboxing videos and other's didn't)

Also I've seen Ducky's with ABS & PBT, anyone know what's the difference? :P

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wlcm 2 gh.
Thx! :)
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go for tried and true, the filco
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Seconded. Can't recommend Filco highly enough

Why? :P

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Does anyone know how a Ducky feels compared to a Filco?
I've heard people say a Filco has more cripsness & Leopold is more gummy then a Filco, but I've got no idea how Ducky's fit in? Are they crispy or gummy?
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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 11:38:40 »
Welcome another 'ster member to geekhack!

Here is what I know about Filco reds, as I had been trying to get one.

Without using a buying agent, the only place that I know where you can buy a Filco TKL red is kebyoardco.com.  And there are only 2 left, but there are a lot more 104s left there.  The last batch of Filco TKL reds on Amazon are soldout.  And from what diatec in Japan said, the next batch of Filco reds going to Amazon are only 104s.  There will be no more TKL reds going to Amazon, as least not for quite some time.  So the "Limited" description on these reds was true. :-).  Even more rare is the White body Filco wth MX Red switches.  They were only sold in China.

The only place I found Filco TKL reds was on taobao.com.  There are still quite a few sellers selling Filco reds in black body.  There are only a couple sellers still have the white body reds in stock.  taobaobee.com found and bought a white one for me and it is on its way to me.

Good luck.  I am sure you will enjoy any mechanical keyboard you end up purchasing.
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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 11:56:17 »
Thx for your reply litster! ;)

The ones one keyboardco are very expensive compared to the ones from asia :(
http://www.armygroup.com.tw/shop/goods.php?id=6092
(This one is chinese layout tho, the english ones are out of stock there, 4300TWD aka: 92 pounds and I've got no idea if the english ones will be back in stock, they do have full-size english ones left tho but those are 106 pounds)
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=821
(English layout but 156 pounds :()

Is a Filco really that much better compared to a Ducky? And does anyone have a clue if the 9000G2 (red) or 9008G2 (red) comes with a wrist-rest? (Having to pay 156 pound + 50~ish for filco wristrest is kinda out of my budget :/)
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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 12:10:57 »
If you buy the Chinese version, you can buy this: http://www.armygroup.com.tw/shop/goods.php?id=4465, which is English keycaps to swap.  English letters are still printed on the Chinese version, it just has the extra Chinese glyphs on the caps as well.

Filco has been around longer than the Chinese clones.  I haven't typed on anything but Filcos, Realforce/Topre, and some older DAS (see my signature).  But a friend of mine who has just recently fallen in love with Filco browns after he used Realforce Topre for a couple of years, said that he likes Filco more than Leopold and PLU.  He said The wide keys on Filco are the best among all of them.

He bought a MX brown from each brand to test them all, and are selling all but the Filco, and he just ordered 3 more Filco Ninja browns, one from suntec in Hong Kong earlier, and 2 more from Amazon yesterday when it became in stock.  Yes, he is crazy like us.
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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 12:27:41 »
Welcome to OCN!  


Oh wait I mean GH. lol  =D
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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 12:31:30 »
^ lol Yeah, I'd just noticed that "Printing on my OCN Ducky is wearing off" thread.
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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 12:32:19 »
^ 2 familiar names! ;)
Thought I'd come here to GH also, seems here is more info & discussions related to keyboards then at OCN :P
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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 12:34:13 »
Quote from: reaper~;355565
^ lol Yeah, I'd just noticed that "Printing on my OCN Ducky is wearing off" thread.
Weird why they closed that yea, prolly don't wanna give their "friends" @ Ducky a "bad name", which is very odd, don't add your brand to poor-quality products then imo.
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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 12:34:37 »
Well it is a keyboard forum.
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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 12:36:03 »
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Well it is a keyboard forum.
I know that's why I came here ;)
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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 12:39:44 »
Quote from: Lester;355567
Weird why they closed that yea, prolly don't wanna give their "friends" @ Ducky a "bad name", which is very odd, don't add your brand to poor-quality products then imo.

I'm starting to have second thoughts about buying one of their keyboards. lol  But yeah, here's where all the action's at.  Unlike "I barf on my keyboard" weekly thread they're having over there (as ripster puts it =D ).
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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 12:50:31 »
Quote from: litster;355557
If you buy the Chinese version, you can buy this: http://www.armygroup.com.tw/shop/goods.php?id=4465, which is English keycaps to swap.  English letters are still printed on the Chinese version, it just has the extra Chinese glyphs on the caps as well.

Filco has been around longer than the Chinese clones.  I haven't typed on anything but Filcos, Realforce/Topre, and some older DAS (see my signature).  But a friend of mine who has just recently fallen in love with Filco browns after he used Realforce Topre for a couple of years, said that he likes Filco more than Leopold and PLU.  He said The wide keys on Filco are the best among all of them.

He bought a MX brown from each brand to test them all, and are selling all but the Filco, and he just ordered 3 more Filco Ninja browns, one from suntec in Hong Kong earlier, and 2 more from Amazon yesterday when it became in stock.  Yes, he is crazy like us.

 

someone is a little racist. Chinese glyphs? do you mean characters?
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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 13:22:03 »
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyph

Those are not characters.  They are glyphs that you type to build character.

I read Chinese.  And I am Chinese.
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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 13:33:57 »
never have I heard it be called glyphs. Thanx for telling me your chinese though.

This will help in my ethnicity report on litster
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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 13:35:57 »
It's okay.  He didn't know I am Chinese.  It is all good.  We are all the keyboard race here.
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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 13:42:57 »
Isn't it "Year of the Tiger" symbol?  I'd much rather have Year of the Rabbit edtion but in tenkeyless:
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« Reply #20 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 14:01:37 »
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Isn't it "Year of the Tiger" symbol?  I'd much rather have Year of the Rabbit edtion but in tenkeyless:
That looks sexy, happen to know perhaps that's the one coming in red switches?
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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 14:09:02 »
the rabbit edition looks ridiculously beautiful
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« Reply #22 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 14:12:43 »
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What DOES that symbol mean?

Quack?

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The seal character on the left is "虎", or Tiger. The two characters on the right are "庚寅", which is the Chinese calendar year that roughly coincides with the Gregorian calendar year 2010 expressed in the traditional Chinese Stems-and-Branches notation, or, simply, the Year of Tiger.
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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 14:14:19 »
Is the Tiger edition made with real tiger blood?

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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 14:20:01 »
titmouse beat me to it :)

Quote from: ripster;355596
What DOES that symbol mean?

Quack?

Those characters are written in old style, so it is harder for me to tell. The left, larger character is "Tiger".  The smaller two characters are 庚寅, the calendar name for year of the Tiger year 2010. See row 27 on the table on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar_correspondence_table.
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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 14:24:24 »
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Is the Tiger edition made with real tiger blood?


Only the Tiger edition with red switches ;)
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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 15:23:44 »
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Only the Tiger edition with red switches ;)
Do you have any idea where that one is availible? Cherry MX Red Ducky Tiger-mode?
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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 15:34:21 »
I think I might aim for a red board myself, just to see what the hype is about. So Noppoo is comin out with one...is it the Noppoo Choc Mini or just the regular Noppoo Choc fullsize that are coming with reds lol
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« Reply #28 on: Sat, 04 June 2011, 18:22:58 »
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is it the Noppoo Choc Mini or just the regular Noppoo Choc fullsize that are coming with reds lol


Both.
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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 17:34:01 »
Anyone has a clue where they sell ducky's with red switches?
And what is this taobao or something? Some chinese version of ebay?
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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 17:37:03 »
Ducky MX Red 104 from PCHome in Taiwan, $10 shipping to the US:
http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func=exhibit&IT_NO=DCAH0X-A55611213&SR_NO=DCAH0F&ROWNO=2&tm=u

taobao is China's version of ebay, except it only takes Chinese Yuan from China banks.  If you want to buy from taobao, you need a buying agent like taobaobee or obook.  Search around here and you will find the info you need.
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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 17:41:40 »
Quote from: litster;356027
Ducky MX Red 104 from PCHome in Taiwan, $10 shipping to the US:
http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func=exhibit&IT_NO=DCAH0X-A55611213&SR_NO=DCAH0F&ROWNO=2&tm=u

taobao is China's version of ebay, except it only takes Chinese Yuan from China banks.  If you want to buy from taobao, you need a buying agent like taobaobee or obook.  Search around here and you will find the info you need.
Thx for link!

10$ to US? :o Would it be arround that to europe also? Last time I mailed Leopold shipping cost it was 76$ to The Netherlands :(((
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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 17:43:32 »
On this page, it says $20 to Europe http://global.pchome.com.tw/?m=manual&no=26#01.  Scroll down to the middle of the page.
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« Reply #33 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 17:44:50 »
:o thats nice, thx!
And do you know if there exist Ducky tenkeyless with red? And what is the difference between DK9000 & DK9008 & ABS/PBT keycaps? :P

edit: Starting to doubt now about maybe going for a 1087 with blue (I prefer reds tho) but that 1087 is so extremely cheap :o
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« Reply #34 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 17:53:08 »
http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=store&func=style_show&SR_NO=DCAH0F&tm=u

These are all the reds PCHome carries.  No TKL.

I just purchased a Filco TKL with MX Red on taobao.com via taoboabee.com.  http://www.taobaobee.com/recommend.php?action=view&gid=1455

Keyboard price + local shipping to buying agent + commision + credit card tranfer fee + shipping to the US = US$270.
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« Reply #35 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 17:57:38 »
Quote from: Lester;356035
:o thats nice, thx!
And do you know if there exist Ducky tenkeyless with red? And what is the difference between DK9000 & DK9008 & ABS/PBT keycaps? :P

edit: Starting to doubt now about maybe going for a 1087 with blue (I prefer reds tho) but that 1087 is so extremely cheap :o

 
Amen to that, torn between 1087 and 9000.
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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 05 June 2011, 23:05:23 »
jelly!

Just like you said about on my thread about my filco ^^
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« Reply #37 on: Mon, 06 June 2011, 01:33:31 »
quack quack
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« Reply #38 on: Mon, 06 June 2011, 04:28:15 »
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That's easy. Don't get the 1087.  It cracks easily.
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Dam :S that's nasty.

But still.... it's so cheap.
And why are these reds so extremely expensive? DK9000 with blues 2590, DK9000G2 (reds) 3890
:( :( sad panda
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« Reply #39 on: Mon, 06 June 2011, 04:40:41 »
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And why are these reds so extremely expensive? DK9000G2 (reds) 3890
:( :( sad panda


That would be cos the G2s are "special edition" boards. 3890 TWD is still less than 93€ though, not outrageously expensive by any means.
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« Reply #40 on: Mon, 06 June 2011, 04:51:17 »
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That would be cos the G2s are "special edition" boards. 3890 TWD is still less than 93€ though, not outrageously expensive by any means.
Ah, I didn't know all the G2's are special edition boards.

The one linked here before looks so interesting:


I really wonder when that one will come out :P
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« Reply #41 on: Mon, 06 June 2011, 10:13:41 »
About time ducky comes out with a 9000 series tenkeyless!
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« Reply #42 on: Mon, 06 June 2011, 10:28:11 »
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About time ducky comes out with a 9000 series tenkeyless!
Yeah! I would love that! :) :)
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« Reply #43 on: Mon, 06 June 2011, 12:05:17 »
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About time ducky comes out with a 9000 series tenkeyless!

They said they were developing one on their facebook. Hopefully they are still at it.
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« Reply #44 on: Mon, 06 June 2011, 16:47:49 »
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They said they were developing one on their facebook. Hopefully they are still at it.
:o, I hope they are, that would be awesome!
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« Reply #45 on: Mon, 06 June 2011, 17:13:05 »
I am not being factious (really), Duckys aren't much cheaper than a Filco (based on what was on ebay and what is on tankguys' site now), its quality isn't proven yet, and you can buy a tenkeyless Filco or even a Leopold now.  Just curious, why are you guys so incline in getting a Ducky?  Thanks.
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« Reply #46 on: Mon, 06 June 2011, 17:31:15 »
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They are cheaper in Asia is why.
^

It's so much more expensive for me to buy a Filco from somewhere compared to a ducky, I'd be paying arround 160 euro to get a Filco with reds and a Ducky remains below 100.
(Pchome shipping to US is 10$, EU 20$, they sell only Ducky's, and Armygroup who sell filco's shipping to EU was 76$ for me :/)

edit: No doubt Filco > Ducky atm, but some ppl budget don't allow it :P, and Ducky should atleast be decent/solid keyboards also ;) (the 9008 series atleast)
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« Reply #47 on: Mon, 06 June 2011, 19:35:30 »
That's a lot cheaper for you folks in Europe.  It is good to be an American living in the US.  Proud to be an infidel!  ;)
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Ducky 1087/9000/9008/9008G2 vs Filco (Cherry MX Red)
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 07 June 2011, 05:16:26 »
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Oops.  Thought you were Asian.
I wish... :P Asia = mech keyboard heaven, even the possibility to try them out in stores lol, if only we had that over here in the Netherlands :)

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That's a lot cheaper for you folks in Europe.  It is good to be an American living in the US.  Proud to be an infidel!  ;)
True, it's quite a big diff, if the diff only was like 20-30$ I'd instantly go for a Filco, but this shipping cost adds so much, and I've got no idea why it's so much more expensive on armygroup then on pchome :/
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Ducky 1087/9000/9008/9008G2 vs Filco (Cherry MX Red)
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 12 June 2011, 06:56:24 »
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That's easy. Don't get the 1087.  It cracks easily.
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Did some checking and apparantly this cracking/breaking problem & the visible-PCB problem were only with the first few batches and are resolves now! :)

edit: Anyone has a clue where they sell Ducky 1087 white keyboards?
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