All lies: analogue timepiece 100s of years, Apple Watch only 3?

[iLLucionist]

Soo remember when the Apple Watch was introduced? The "blend" of the analog world with the digital world? Electronics with style and fashion?

SAY NO MORE. Turns out Apple Watch is faced with swollen battery issue and Apple ONLY covers it for 3 years:

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/28/original-apple-watch-repairs-extended/

So classical timepieces can stand the test of time, even with analog wrist battery (power reserve). But the Apple Watch only holds up until battery dies and nothing you can do about it? Realize that there were also Apple "Edition" 10k+ watches..

Yeah of course it was a marketing gimmick to start with. Because if you actually keep your watch for 10 or more years, Apple would not sell new ones quick enough to increase there pile of cash.

But really... 3 years Apple? For a WATCH? Glad I didn't buy one..

[fanpeople]

have u seen that guy on youtube that repairs laptops the old fashioned way with a mocroscope and soldering iron. Should hear what he thinks about apple.

[iLLucionist]

have u seen that guy on youtube that repairs laptops the old fashioned way with a mocroscope and soldering iron. Should hear what he thinks about apple.

Yeah although I agree, I also very don't like his personality. I think deep down he is very insecure and tries to justify he has self-esteem by roasting products, like some sort of Freudian displacement / projection. "If this and that soldering sucks, it must mean I'm competent and not a failure at all."

That said Louis Rossmann has good points, solid reasoning, 10/10 most of the time.

[katushkin]

Okay?

Think about it. It's a small lithium ion battery. Battery swell could happen on any device and does. Only affects the first generation that wasn't very good anyway. This doesn't mean that if you have a Series 1 Apple Watch it's guaranteed to blow up within or after three years.

People aren't against changing their mobile phones every three years. Heck, some people change them every year, so what's the problem with changing your watch every few years? These phones cost up to three times as much as an Apple Watch as well. It's not just a watch anyway.

I am a watch nut. I really like watches. I long for a great Swiss classic like an IWC, or an A Lange Sohne, or a TAG. But since I got my apple watch in November, I've not worn another one. I don't feel the need to wear another one because it just does so much more.

[Shapey Fiend]

We're living in a particularly disposable culture right now. I figure it'll probably change and swing the other way eventually but people aren't putting a priority on build quality at the moment so Apple and most other technology companies aren't really overly concerned with it as a result. If they can save a cent or make it look cooler by being glued together and unrepairable then that's what they're going to go with because most people don't care.

[iLLucionist]

Okay?

Think about it. It's a small lithium ion battery. Battery swell could happen on any device and does. Only affects the first generation that wasn't very good anyway. This doesn't mean that if you have a Series 1 Apple Watch it's guaranteed to blow up within or after three years.

People aren't against changing their mobile phones every three years. Heck, some people change them every year, so what's the problem with changing your watch every few years? These phones cost up to three times as much as an Apple Watch as well. It's not just a watch anyway.

I am a watch nut. I really like watches. I long for a great Swiss classic like an IWC, or an A Lange Sohne, or a TAG. But since I got my apple watch in November, I've not worn another one. I don't feel the need to wear another one because it just does so much more.

Nothing. Except Apple shouldn't pretend that their watches are "jewelry" just like "the analog real timepieces" instead of gadgets like the iPhone you say. That's what stings.

[iLLucionist]

We're living in a particularly disposable culture right now. I figure it'll probably change and swing the other way eventually but people aren't putting a priority on build quality at the moment so Apple and most other technology companies aren't really overly concerned with it as a result. If they can save a cent or make it look cooler by being glued together and unrepairable then that's what they're going to go with because most people don't care.

I suspect they are even very cheap to produce (except for the gold and series line perhaps) and they just swap out and give you a new clock house if it breaks.

[tp4tissue]

i was looking at the atomic watch , it's kind of toooo gaudy for me.. but very cool that it could keep such accurate time..  And it's not completely unaffordable like those $50,000+ watches..   

[iLLucionist]

i was looking at the atomic watch , it's kind of toooo gaudy for me.. but very cool that it could keep such accurate time..  And it's not completely unaffordable like those $50,000+ watches..

That's nothing yet. That's like... the price of one professional match horse. As a matter of fact, I think I'm gonna get two. WHY NOT INNERNET

[tp4tissue]

i was looking at the atomic watch , it's kind of toooo gaudy for me.. but very cool that it could keep such accurate time..  And it's not completely unaffordable like those $50,000+ watches..

That's nothing yet. That's like... the price of one professional match horse. As a matter of fact, I think I'm gonna get two. WHY NOT INNERNET

The most expensive horse I've seen in person was a 1.5 million $USD horse at a dressage tournaments..

I felt that it was an ugly looking horse,  but apparently the price is justified by its impeccable temperament.

[iLLucionist]

i was looking at the atomic watch , it's kind of toooo gaudy for me.. but very cool that it could keep such accurate time..  And it's not completely unaffordable like those $50,000+ watches..

That's nothing yet. That's like... the price of one professional match horse. As a matter of fact, I think I'm gonna get two. WHY NOT INNERNET

The most expensive horse I've seen in person was a 1.5 million $USD horse at a dressage tournaments..

I felt that it was an ugly looking horse,  but apparently the price is justified by its impeccable temperament.

Very recently my GF went into breeding.. GONNA GET RICH TP. I'm gonna get me that 64 monitors setup mooeehhahaha. Nah... GF just likes horses and wants more to train for dressage, so here it is. The most recent addition to the family:



EDIT: I'll be on topic now here... sawry

[tp4tissue]

Very recently my GF went into breeding.. GONNA GET RICH TP. I'm gonna get me that 64 monitors setup mooeehhahaha. Nah... GF just likes horses and wants more to train for dressage, so here it is. The most recent addition to the family:

(Attachment Link)

EDIT: I'll be on topic now here... sawry

Man, look at these things..  and they're vegetarians..   how does grass turn into so much speed and muscle..

[tp4tissue]

also,  watches don't last 100s of years, the majority will become high inaccurate if in use over the years and require very specialized adjustment servicing..

obviously if you buy a million dollar watch you can afford it, but the cheaper analogues , like 500-5000,  might not even be worth the effort.

[fanpeople]

i was looking at the atomic watch , it's kind of toooo gaudy for me.. but very cool that it could keep such accurate time..  And it's not completely unaffordable like those $50,000+ watches..

That's nothing yet. That's like... the price of one professional match horse. As a matter of fact, I think I'm gonna get two. WHY NOT INNERNET

The most expensive horse I've seen in person was a 1.5 million $USD horse at a dressage tournaments..

I felt that it was an ugly looking horse,  but apparently the price is justified by its impeccable temperament.

Very recently my GF went into breeding.. GONNA GET RICH TP. I'm gonna get me that 64 monitors setup mooeehhahaha. Nah... GF just likes horses and wants more to train for dressage, so here it is. The most recent addition to the family:

(Attachment Link)

EDIT: I'll be on topic now here... sawry

BARREL RACING OR **** OFF AND SELL THE HORSE, BUY A FORD ESCORT AND TAKE UP RALLY DRIVING ROUND YOUR PADDOCK.

[tp4tissue]

BARREL RACING OR **** OFF AND SELL THE HORSE, BUY A FORD ESCORT AND TAKE UP RALLY DRIVING ROUND YOUR PADDOCK.

googled ford escort..   dis' a popular vehicle in ur area ?

[fanpeople]

BARREL RACING OR **** OFF AND SELL THE HORSE, BUY A FORD ESCORT AND TAKE UP RALLY DRIVING ROUND YOUR PADDOCK.

googled ford escort..   dis' a popular vehicle in ur area ?

No but ive seen more Ford F250s here than i have in my entire life... which was like two.... overseas.

Everyone here has 4wds with lift kits and spot lights and camping **** hanging off the side and gun racks with gun racks on them.

[Joey Quinn]

Smart watches are cool but

Mechanical watches > smart watches any day

I say this having owned several Pebbles and a Moto360, no Apple watch yet because Android > iPhone

[tp4tissue]

Smart watches are cool but

Mechanical watches > smart watches any day

I say this having owned several Pebbles and a Moto360, no Apple watch yet because Android > iPhone

Them are fighting words..

[Joey Quinn]

Smart watches are cool but

Mechanical watches > smart watches any day

I say this having owned several Pebbles and a Moto360, no Apple watch yet because Android > iPhone

Them are fighting words..

Which part 

If it's the first part the fact that I'm wearing my dad's Seiko from the 80s would beg to differ. I highly doubt any smart watch will make it 30+ years.

[ambalek]

Clockwork took hundreds of years before watches kept time reliably. It seems fair to give companies like Apple a bit more time before they can compete with something as mature as wristwatches.

[iLLucionist]

Very recently my GF went into breeding.. GONNA GET RICH TP. I'm gonna get me that 64 monitors setup mooeehhahaha. Nah... GF just likes horses and wants more to train for dressage, so here it is. The most recent addition to the family:

(Attachment Link)

EDIT: I'll be on topic now here... sawry

Man, look at these things..  and they're vegetarians..   how does grass turn into so much speed and muscle..

Well.. now we know the answer. The hidden power of grass.

Call it "powergrass" and sell it to the masses. Put picture of bulky muscled horse on box. PROFIT

[iLLucionist]

also,  watches don't last 100s of years, the majority will become high inaccurate if in use over the years and require very specialized adjustment servicing..

obviously if you buy a million dollar watch you can afford it, but the cheaper analogues , like 500-5000,  might not even be worth the effort.

So actually... the materials stay in place, don't degrade (glass... house). But the actual inner workings of the timepiece degrade over time? Hmm... never thought about it.

I thought those very expensive Frederique Constants etc. are like... perfect always forever and ever.

[iLLucionist]

i was looking at the atomic watch , it's kind of toooo gaudy for me.. but very cool that it could keep such accurate time..  And it's not completely unaffordable like those $50,000+ watches..

That's nothing yet. That's like... the price of one professional match horse. As a matter of fact, I think I'm gonna get two. WHY NOT INNERNET

The most expensive horse I've seen in person was a 1.5 million $USD horse at a dressage tournaments..

I felt that it was an ugly looking horse,  but apparently the price is justified by its impeccable temperament.

Very recently my GF went into breeding.. GONNA GET RICH TP. I'm gonna get me that 64 monitors setup mooeehhahaha. Nah... GF just likes horses and wants more to train for dressage, so here it is. The most recent addition to the family:

(Attachment Link)

EDIT: I'll be on topic now here... sawry

BARREL RACING OR **** OFF AND SELL THE HORSE, BUY A FORD ESCORT AND TAKE UP RALLY DRIVING ROUND YOUR PADDOCK.

GOOD POINTS MADE. BUT A FORD? DRIFTING THROUGH PADDOCK ANOTHER WAY OF PLOWING RIGHT

[iLLucionist]

BARREL RACING OR **** OFF AND SELL THE HORSE, BUY A FORD ESCORT AND TAKE UP RALLY DRIVING ROUND YOUR PADDOCK.

googled ford escort..   dis' a popular vehicle in ur area ?

Here as well... mostly Ford Focus and Ford Mondeo (not sure if those models also in US). They relatively cheap, relatively ok / sportsy looking.

[iLLucionist]

Smart watches are cool but

Mechanical watches > smart watches any day

I say this having owned several Pebbles and a Moto360, no Apple watch yet because Android > iPhone

I recently thought about getting an a-watch. for sports mostly.. heart rate and GPS tracking. No more bulky phone in the back when I'm bicycle racing. Would've been nice for in meetings as well... quickly seeing incoming mail and agenda.

But you know... **** that. I'm busy enough. I respond to e-mail instantly, that's enough I think. I am already stressed enough when people mail me and I feel I have to respond.

[Leslieann]

have u seen that guy on youtube that repairs laptops the old fashioned way with a mocroscope and soldering iron. Should hear what he thinks about apple.

That's not the "old fashioned way", it's how you do component level repairs (he does use more than just an iron though).

Louis knows his sh*t regarding Apple, but he should, he spends all day, repairing their garbage. It's how he makes a living.
Despite what people (and Apple) think, he doesn't think ALL of their stuff is bad, he has said a few models are actually reliable. Not many, but a few.*


For those curious these are what he thinks are reliable:
He considers the the 2013 Retina good (it lacked AMD or Nvidia graphics, which fail) and considers the 2013 and newer Macbook Airs as excellent for reliability. Pretty much everything else is garbage as far as he's concerned.

[iLLucionist]

have u seen that guy on youtube that repairs laptops the old fashioned way with a mocroscope and soldering iron. Should hear what he thinks about apple.

That's not the "old fashioned way", it's how you do component level repairs (he does use more than just an iron though).

Louis knows his sh*t regarding Apple, but he should, he spends all day, repairing their garbage. It's how he makes a living.
Despite what people (and Apple) think, he doesn't think ALL of their stuff is bad, he has said a few models are actually reliable. Not many, but a few.*


For those curious these are what he thinks are reliable:
He considers the the 2013 Retina good (it lacked AMD or Nvidia graphics, which fail) and considers the 2013 and newer Macbook Airs as excellent for reliability. Pretty much everything else is garbage as far as he's concerned.

People typically agree that Apple's engineering is "better than average". But then Louis comes around and zooms in on these details of their engineering that is REALLY below average. I saw one video recently where Louis explained that even though you THINK the hinges on macbooks are aluminum and that is a good thing, the attachment of the hinge of the base to the screen makes the corners of the screen go tear / fracture over time, with small rips in the aluminum. It's amazing into how many details louis goes.

[katushkin]

Smart watches are cool but

Mechanical watches > smart watches any day

I say this having owned several Pebbles and a Moto360, no Apple watch yet because Android > iPhone

Them are fighting words..

Which part 

If it's the first part the fact that I'm wearing my dad's Seiko from the 80s would beg to differ. I highly doubt any smart watch will make it 30+ years.

I don't think it's fair comparing a smart watch to an analogue watch. It's like comparing a 3310 to an iPhone or Samsung phone. The amount of features on modern technology mean that their battery life is a lot more limited than an old digital or analogue watch, and the amount of technology inside them means that the likelihood of failure increases as well.

[iLLucionist]

Smart watches are cool but

Mechanical watches > smart watches any day

I say this having owned several Pebbles and a Moto360, no Apple watch yet because Android > iPhone

Them are fighting words..

Which part 

If it's the first part the fact that I'm wearing my dad's Seiko from the 80s would beg to differ. I highly doubt any smart watch will make it 30+ years.

I don't think it's fair comparing a smart watch to an analogue watch. It's like comparing a 3310 to an iPhone or Samsung phone. The amount of features on modern technology mean that their battery life is a lot more limited than an old digital or analogue watch, and the amount of technology inside them means that the likelihood of failure increases as well.

That's what I mean. APPLE SHOULD STOP DOING THAT.

[vivalarevolución]

I'm actually trying to avoid products that don't have an easily replaceable battery these days.  The rechargeable batteries always go bad after a few years or sooner than that, and then it might be near impossible to open the device to replace them or find a replacement.  I've taken a step back in time and prefer to own device that take AA or AAA or whatever, or have an easily accessible battery that I can replace.

[tp4tissue]

I'm actually trying to avoid products that don't have an easily replaceable battery these days.  The rechargeable batteries always go bad after a few years or sooner than that, and then it might be near impossible to open the device to replace them or find a replacement.  I've taken a step back in time and prefer to own device that take AA or AAA or whatever, or have an easily accessible battery that I can replace.

It's not an issue, because the device is obsolete BEFORE the battery goes out..

If you could afford an $800 phone to begin with,  replacing it won't be much of an issue..


Of course, this leaves the people who bought into an expensive phone, but are not quite at the income level to replace it easily..

For this segment,  they are indeed better off with replaceable battery phones.


HOWEVER,  one could argue that these people shouldn't buy into a high premium phone to begin with, because they most likely have other more pressing financial priorities..

[vivalarevolución]

I'm actually trying to avoid products that don't have an easily replaceable battery these days.  The rechargeable batteries always go bad after a few years or sooner than that, and then it might be near impossible to open the device to replace them or find a replacement.  I've taken a step back in time and prefer to own device that take AA or AAA or whatever, or have an easily accessible battery that I can replace.

It's not an issue, because the device is obsolete BEFORE the battery goes out..

If you could afford an $800 phone to begin with,  replacing it won't be much of an issue..


Of course, this leaves the people who bought into an expensive phone, but are not quite at the income level to replace it easily..

For this segment,  they are indeed better off with replaceable battery phones.


HOWEVER,  one could argue that these people shouldn't buy into a high premium phone to begin with, because they most likely have other more pressing financial priorities..

I was referring more to other devices rather than phones.  I had a bike light with a lithium battery that I couldn't find a replacement for, those Fitbit devices, wireless keyboards with rechargeable batteries, etc.  I find myself getting rid of such devices when the battery goes bad, when I would rather just easily replaceable the battery rather than buy a new device.

[tp4tissue]

I'm actually trying to avoid products that don't have an easily replaceable battery these days.  The rechargeable batteries always go bad after a few years or sooner than that, and then it might be near impossible to open the device to replace them or find a replacement.  I've taken a step back in time and prefer to own device that take AA or AAA or whatever, or have an easily accessible battery that I can replace.

It's not an issue, because the device is obsolete BEFORE the battery goes out..

If you could afford an $800 phone to begin with,  replacing it won't be much of an issue..


Of course, this leaves the people who bought into an expensive phone, but are not quite at the income level to replace it easily..

For this segment,  they are indeed better off with replaceable battery phones.


HOWEVER,  one could argue that these people shouldn't buy into a high premium phone to begin with, because they most likely have other more pressing financial priorities..

I was referring more to other devices rather than phones.  I had a bike light with a lithium battery that I couldn't find a replacement for, those Fitbit devices, wireless keyboards with rechargeable batteries, etc.  I find myself getting rid of such devices when the battery goes bad, when I would rather just easily replaceable the battery rather than buy a new device.

well for bike light..  You can use ANY lithium battery that fits the compartment .. OR you can simply tape up the cell itself in some electrical tape and fasten to the bike using velcro straps.

The same offshelf rigging would work for keyboards  and most small electronics..


If you're willing to solder, you can almost certainly find the precise cell-size that fits in the original compartments.


Maybe with the exclusion of fitbit..

[vivalarevolución]

I'm actually trying to avoid products that don't have an easily replaceable battery these days.  The rechargeable batteries always go bad after a few years or sooner than that, and then it might be near impossible to open the device to replace them or find a replacement.  I've taken a step back in time and prefer to own device that take AA or AAA or whatever, or have an easily accessible battery that I can replace.

It's not an issue, because the device is obsolete BEFORE the battery goes out..

If you could afford an $800 phone to begin with,  replacing it won't be much of an issue..


Of course, this leaves the people who bought into an expensive phone, but are not quite at the income level to replace it easily..

For this segment,  they are indeed better off with replaceable battery phones.


HOWEVER,  one could argue that these people shouldn't buy into a high premium phone to begin with, because they most likely have other more pressing financial priorities..

I was referring more to other devices rather than phones.  I had a bike light with a lithium battery that I couldn't find a replacement for, those Fitbit devices, wireless keyboards with rechargeable batteries, etc.  I find myself getting rid of such devices when the battery goes bad, when I would rather just easily replaceable the battery rather than buy a new device.

well for bike light..  You can use ANY lithium battery that fits the compartment .. OR you can simply tape up the cell itself in some electrical tape and fasten to the bike using velcro straps.

The same offshelf rigging would work for keyboards  and most small electronics..


If you're willing to solder, you can almost certainly find the precise cell-size that fits in the original compartments.


Maybe with the exclusion of fitbit..

Meh, I'm tired of having to MacGyver crap to make it work.  Just make something that works for the long haul off the shelf, and I am happy.

[tp4tissue]

Meh, I'm tired of having to MacGyver crap to make it work.  Just make something that works for the long haul off the shelf, and I am happy.

Dat's un-American..

// millennial  .... sigh.....................

[vivalarevolución]

Meh, I'm tired of having to MacGyver crap to make it work.  Just make something that works for the long haul off the shelf, and I am happy.

Dat's un-American..

// millennial  .... sigh.....................

Um, the American thing to do is buy some cheap piece of crap, throw it away when it breaks, and then buy another cheap piece of crap.  Trying to make things last or buying a product that will last for the long term is distinctly un-American.  Come on, man.

[tp4tissue]

Meh, I'm tired of having to MacGyver crap to make it work.  Just make something that works for the long haul off the shelf, and I am happy.

Dat's un-American..

// millennial  .... sigh.....................

Um, the American thing to do is buy some cheap piece of crap, throw it away when it breaks, and then buy another cheap piece of crap.  Trying to make things last or buying a product that will last for the long term is distinctly un-American.  Come on, man.

No, it's not.. you are too far removed..

[Coreda]

IDK about anyone else but part of the attractiveness of a product to me is how well its made and bonus if parts are user replaceable. My Sennheiser HD-25 headphones have been in production for like 30 years, every part is replaceable and they take a beating. As soon as I saw them many years ago I knew they were the only cans I cared for. Sold all my other cans.

Too many things these days in tech are made to last only a few years whether intentionally or not—not just in hardware but also in software, such as short EoLs to phone updates, etc. Various designs are often also too 'precious' in their construction despite being intended as everyday use items and appearance. 

Keyboards occupy that nice space where they're durable, parts are replaceable and customizable, and they can have some appealing designs to boot.

[vivalarevolución]

Yes, you are right.  Keyboards are the Pinnacle of modern consumer goods.  /Debate.

[Joey Quinn]

IDK about anyone else but part of the attractiveness of a product to me is how well its made and bonus if parts are user replaceable.

That's why I like my early 2010 MacBook Pro, I've been able to replace every broken part myself relatively cheaply.

Yes, you are right.  Keyboards are the Pinnacle of modern consumer goods.  /Debate.

Isn't that why we're all here?

[vivalarevolución]

IDK about anyone else but part of the attractiveness of a product to me is how well its made and bonus if parts are user replaceable.

That's why I like my early 2010 MacBook Pro, I've been able to replace every broken part myself relatively cheaply.

Yes, you are right.  Keyboards are the Pinnacle of modern consumer goods.  /Debate.

Isn't that why we're all here?

Yes, you are correct.

And hold onto that Macbook, you sure can't do that anymore.

[Joey Quinn]

IDK about anyone else but part of the attractiveness of a product to me is how well its made and bonus if parts are user replaceable.

That's why I like my early 2010 MacBook Pro, I've been able to replace every broken part myself relatively cheaply.

Yes, you are right.  Keyboards are the Pinnacle of modern consumer goods.  /Debate.

Isn't that why we're all here?

Yes, you are correct.

And hold onto that Macbook, you sure can't do that anymore.

That's the plan, ideally I'd like it to last another few years.

When it fully dies I won't be replacing it with another Apple laptop, with the new ones a $20 repair you can do yourself becomes a $200 repair that Apple forces you to do. When the glass broke on my MacBook Pro it cost me $13 to replace it myself and apple wanted $350 to do it... They said the screen HAD to be replaced with it, which is totally false.

[Jaymanlp]

Kinda sad how my $100 Zenwatch works fine after 3 years but the Apple watch can't last that long.

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[noisyturtle]

To repair swollen batteries simply pierce them w/ a sharp object to relieve the pressure. Should fix everything.

[tp4tissue]

To repair swollen batteries simply pierce them w/ a sharp object to relieve the pressure. Should fix everything.

u write this..

then someone burns their house down.

[Jaymanlp]

To repair swollen batteries simply pierce them w/ a sharp object to relieve the pressure. Should fix everything.

I think I did it wrong.

[Olumin]

I long for a great Swiss classic like an IWC, or an A Lange Sohne, or a TAG.

Lange & Söhne ist DEUTSCHE UHR, not Swiss my Freund.
And lets not forget that the founder of Rolex was also German jawohl.
Superior German watches keep time better then atomic clock. Folded 28.000 times... nein wait..

[iLLucionist]

I long for a great Swiss classic like an IWC, or an A Lange Sohne, or a TAG.

Lange & Söhne ist DEUTSCHE UHR, not Swiss my Freund.
And lets not forget that the founder of Rolex was also German jawohl.
Superior German watches keep time better then atomic clock. Folded 28.000 times... nein wait..

Unfortunately, I observe that an ever increasing amount of people at my work show up too late for meetings. Does this mean their watches fail or that my colleagues fail in time keeping?

[Olumin]

Depenz. Do your Kollegen wear german watches? If Ja it cant be the watch. I advise getting neue Kollegen.

[Shapey Fiend]

I used always want a grandfather clock some of them look and sound incredible. I should really look into that cos I think they're one of the few collectables that peaked 20 years ago and is in decline pricewise.