Post by: eniigma on Tue, 21 April 2020, 15:10:06
Update 6/26
Production of the second batch is now complete! HHHH expects to receive them sometime next week, and they should be shipped out to vendors very soon! We expect the sales to begin in mid-July. Thanks everyone for your patience!
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Hi all, after a lengthy interest check, we've finally come to the point of group buy!
These will be sold as an instock item from Novelkeys, MyKeyboard, iLumKB, DailyClack, ApexKeyboards and letsgetit.io (HHHH's website).
ApexKeyboards sold their switches as a preorder, and those switches are en route to them now for fulfillment. They will also have some extra units that will be sold soon as a Canada only sale. Join their discord for updates on that: https://discord.gg/ZkTtnb3 (https://discord.gg/ZkTtnb3)
Novelkeys, MyKeyboard, iLumKB and DailyClack will be opening up their websites tomorrow, April 22nd, for orders. These switches are sold as first come, first serve. Please keep an eye out for incoming communications from your regional vendor, which is where the official times for these sales will be announced.
Letsgetit.io (HHHH's store) will open sometime this weekend, and I will make a post here when that happens.
Take a look at the original interest check for more info.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104578.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104578.0)
I've condensed the basic information about the switch below.
Top: Polycarbonate
Bottom: Polyamide (which is essentially nylon)
Stem: POM
Spring: 78g
Vendors: Novelkeys, MyKeyboard, iLumKB, DailyClack, letsgetit.io (HHHH's store for Korea and neighboring nations) and ApexKeyboards
Estimated price: About $6.00 (could be more in some regions with import tax etc)
Typing tests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFwqGrmi4fI&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFwqGrmi4fI&feature=emb_logo) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfR35mq6VHw&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfR35mq6VHw&feature=emb_logo)
Reviews:
Theremingoat: https://www.theremingoat.com/blog/h1-switch-review (https://www.theremingoat.com/blog/h1-switch-review)
Eniigma (me): https://eniigmakeyboards.com/pages/h1-switch-review (https://eniigmakeyboards.com/pages/h1-switch-review)
Make sure to join HHHH and my discords to keep up to date on future projects!
HHHH's discord: https://discord.gg/8nCxKEm (https://discord.gg/8nCxKEm)
My Discord: https://discord.gg/FbdVJbD (https://discord.gg/FbdVJbD)
On behalf of HHHH and myself, thank you all so much for the overwhelming interest in this switch! We sincerely hope you enjoy it!
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 21 April 2020, 15:13:24
iLumKB is going live at 12:00 midnight tomorrow: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200423T00&p0=236&font=cursive (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200423T00&p0=236&font=cursive)
MyKeyboard is going live at 18:00 GMT +1: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200422T18&p0=284&font=cursive (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200422T18&p0=284&font=cursive)
Novelkeys is going live at 12:00 noon EST: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200422T12&p0=179&font=cursive (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200422T12&p0=179&font=cursive)
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 21 April 2020, 15:39:59
Edit: Nevermind. Looks like times will come out from vendors. Missed that in the post.
Post by: Sup on Tue, 21 April 2020, 16:19:17
Edit: Nvm didn't read will wait for updates.
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 21 April 2020, 19:46:58
Any update for Mykeyboard.EU PepeHandsMyKeyboard is going live at 18:00 GMT +1: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20200422T18&p0=284&font=cursive
Edit: Nvm didn't read will wait for updates.
Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Tue, 21 April 2020, 20:12:15
Post by: yrneh on Tue, 21 April 2020, 22:11:03
Post by: roguesystem087 on Tue, 21 April 2020, 22:22:24
Post by: Abhorrent Cell on Tue, 21 April 2020, 23:16:40
Will the switches be factory lubed?
Yes. Unless something has changed. No indication of any changes though.
Post by: yrneh on Wed, 22 April 2020, 00:17:12
Will the switches be factory lubed?
Yes. Unless something has changed. No indication of any changes though.
Thanks, I was wondering if there was a change. Couldn't find anything on the IC thread other than a possibility of it being removed.
Post by: Sycomore on Wed, 22 April 2020, 00:42:11
Post by: Kukulcanvs on Wed, 22 April 2020, 09:53:28
Post by: persocom on Wed, 22 April 2020, 10:06:25
Did I miss anything from Novelkeys? Haven’t seen any update on their website or instagram from novelkeys
They haven't sent a newsletter email yet
Post by: tkh531 on Wed, 22 April 2020, 10:10:24
Did I miss anything from Novelkeys? Haven’t seen any update on their website or instagram from novelkeys
They haven't sent a newsletter email yet
Mike did send one, they'll go live at 12pm EDT
Post by: persocom on Wed, 22 April 2020, 10:14:23
Did I miss anything from Novelkeys? Haven’t seen any update on their website or instagram from novelkeys
They haven't sent a newsletter email yet
Mike did send one, they'll go live at 12pm EDT
What the hell, I had to search for it and it supposedly showed up 30 mins ago.. in my primary inbox, but I can't see it normally. oh well. thanks for the heads up!
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 22 April 2020, 10:21:10
Will the switches be factory lubed?Yes they will be, but like I said, very lightly.
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 22 April 2020, 10:57:20
Post by: Unborn1993 on Wed, 22 April 2020, 11:04:25
Post by: Solotov on Wed, 22 April 2020, 11:06:11
Post by: FIJ1 on Wed, 22 April 2020, 11:07:14
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 22 April 2020, 11:11:22
Here they are on Novelkeys.
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 22 April 2020, 11:12:01
hey bro what time is GB live on Ilumkb, :)
Nothing updates on ilumkb :-XEDIT: that time passed, not sure what is going on. I message Louis and will give update here asap
Post by: thanatic on Wed, 22 April 2020, 11:14:52
Checked Mykeyboard.eu and they were up as well
ilumkb couldn't find it up yet 12 minutes after time of launch.
Post by: Solotov on Wed, 22 April 2020, 11:25:08
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 22 April 2020, 11:39:01
hey bro what time is GB live on Ilumkb, :)
Nothing updates on ilumkb :-X
https://ilumkb.com/collections/switches/products/h1-linear-switch
Post by: Sup on Wed, 22 April 2020, 12:13:39
(https://i.imgur.com/B5aTato.gif)
Post by: Abhorrent Cell on Wed, 22 April 2020, 12:30:53
Post by: KetchyKech on Wed, 22 April 2020, 13:41:33
Post by: foysauce_ on Wed, 22 April 2020, 13:46:11
Feels good to have gotten a set when it was available :p
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 22 April 2020, 14:32:46
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 22 April 2020, 14:42:26
Post by: Top Right Logo on Wed, 22 April 2020, 14:50:26
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 22 April 2020, 15:03:28
Same here. Here's to waiting for a restock in a few months or an h2 announcement.
you mean h4
Post by: Rob27shred on Wed, 22 April 2020, 15:05:44
I didn't even stand a chance.
Don't feel bad my dumb ass fell asleep & they were sold out by the time I woke up.......
Post by: KKapul on Wed, 22 April 2020, 15:28:13
Post by: Southern Discomfort on Wed, 22 April 2020, 15:30:56
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 22 April 2020, 16:44:54
Post by: donkey on Wed, 22 April 2020, 17:04:18
Post by: Boy_314 on Wed, 22 April 2020, 17:07:26
Well, I woke a little past noon PST and it was all gone at NovelKeys by then. Oh well.
haha me too
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 22 April 2020, 17:45:53
It took around 3 hours to sell out on Novelkeys. Pretty easy to scoop as long as you set an alarm.
Yeah that's dandy and all but was a time announced? I didn't see anything
Post by: Pach on Wed, 22 April 2020, 18:01:43
Post by: donkey on Wed, 22 April 2020, 18:06:50
Yeah that's dandy and all but was a time announced? I didn't see anything
Time was announced via update newsletter email early in the morning, just an hour and a half before the switch went on sale. The only time I'm awake at those hours is when I pulled an all-nighter.
Not that I'm complaining. I saved money and that's never bad. :-)
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 22 April 2020, 18:17:05
Yeah that's dandy and all but was a time announced? I didn't see anything
Time was announced via update newsletter email early in the morning, just an hour and a half before the switch went on sale. The only time I'm awake at those hours is when I pulled an all-nighter.
Not that I'm complaining. I saved money and that's never bad. :-)
Ah yes, the good ol' junk mail.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 23 April 2020, 01:28:28
It took around 3 hours to sell out on Novelkeys. Pretty easy to scoop as long as you set an alarm.
Yeah that's dandy and all but was a time announced? I didn't see anything
He sent a newsletter and it was also mentioned by someone in this thread. Just scroll up.
Post by: Sycomore on Thu, 23 April 2020, 02:27:35
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 23 April 2020, 07:52:36
Will these become an "in stock" item or is this a one shot?It is likely that HHHH will produce more, but I can't and shouldn't speak on his behalf. It is a big possibility though :D
Still waiting on dailyclack. Feelsbad :(I'm awaiting news for DC right now, and I'll post here when times for their sale is posted. They haven't actually received their switches yet, so they might have their sale in a few more days.
Post by: killuchen on Thu, 23 April 2020, 07:56:01
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 23 April 2020, 07:58:44
Just got notification my switches have been shipped from NK :) what lube and film do you guys recommend for these?I recommend 205g0 and TX films, although both of those things seem to be in shortage right now
Post by: hmmmwhatsthis on Thu, 23 April 2020, 13:36:51
Post by: FIJ1 on Thu, 23 April 2020, 13:45:12
looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Post by: DrHigsby on Thu, 23 April 2020, 13:56:15
looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
Post by: hmmmwhatsthis on Thu, 23 April 2020, 13:59:02
looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Post by: catamscott on Thu, 23 April 2020, 16:49:02
looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointment
Post by: donkey on Thu, 23 April 2020, 17:30:02
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.
Post by: Sup on Thu, 23 April 2020, 19:58:25
looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.
Post by: donkey on Thu, 23 April 2020, 20:11:47
Post by: hmmmwhatsthis on Thu, 23 April 2020, 23:37:11
FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
Post by: DukeEsquire on Fri, 24 April 2020, 00:13:33
FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Post by: Sycomore on Fri, 24 April 2020, 00:49:32
Post by: Sycomore on Fri, 24 April 2020, 00:57:00
FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
I mean cheaper than tealios, on par with them for nearly half the price. And I mean after seeing tangies sell out in 2 mins on TKC more JWK linears available the better the community is as there are more options.
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 24 April 2020, 01:03:26
Saw it on a disc server
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/653102496230932507/702577749608628254/unknown.png)
Post by: Sycomore on Fri, 24 April 2020, 01:22:06
Just gonna leave this here
Saw it on a disc serverShow Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/653102496230932507/702577749608628254/unknown.png)
Hot damn!
Post by: hmmmwhatsthis on Fri, 24 April 2020, 01:56:03
FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
Post by: Sycomore on Fri, 24 April 2020, 02:37:58
I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
Post by: Joaquox on Fri, 24 April 2020, 08:19:13
I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 24 April 2020, 08:36:43
https://dailyclack.com/products/h1-switches
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 24 April 2020, 08:37:14
I will be updating this post as soon as I hear back from vendors about exact times of their sales.
All vendors, except letsgetit.io, are either live or the sale has eclipsed!
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 24 April 2020, 08:37:42
Still waiting on dailyclack. Feelsbad :(
https://dailyclack.com/products/h1-switches
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 24 April 2020, 08:40:46
More
looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointment
looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.
FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
People who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.
FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
Post by: Joaquox on Fri, 24 April 2020, 09:03:23
MoreI'm not exactly sure why everyone is speculating that these are the same as regular JWK/Durocks, as afaik, nobody has received them in hand yet. They aren't a recolor, and the materials and molds are different to ordinary JWK switches. Please stop generalizing and making umbrella statements if you haven't even tried them.looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointmentlooking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha TypesPeople who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switchI wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 24 April 2020, 09:22:29
I don't even see why I'm to respond to this, but I will. If they were the same, then H1s would not have placed higher than Alpacas in the blind sound test. They clearly sound different, the springs are different, the materials are different; I'm not sure what else you need to see to understand that these are different switches.MoreI'm not exactly sure why everyone is speculating that these are the same as regular JWK/Durocks, as afaik, nobody has received them in hand yet. They aren't a recolor, and the materials and molds are different to ordinary JWK switches. Please stop generalizing and making umbrella statements if you haven't even tried them.looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointmentlooking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha TypesPeople who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switchI wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
It's really frustrating when people like yourself come in and rant about a product that hasn't even shipped yet, and that's leaving alone the fact that you basically have no idea what you're talking about.
Post by: YMwoo on Fri, 24 April 2020, 09:24:23
I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
I agree with Sycomore. If you dislike it so much, simply no need to buy it.
It's literally just $0.5 difference between Alpaca and this and it's still cheaper than Creams, Inks or Tealios.
Not sure what's the big fuss. Even the spring difference already makes it "different" than Alpaca.
If you feel that doesnt justify the price difference then no need to get it as simple as that.
More switch options is always good anyway and no one forcing you to get it either.
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 24 April 2020, 09:25:34
$0.05 difference, not $0.50 :thumb:I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
I agree with Sycomore. If you dislike it so much, simply no need to buy it.
It's literally just $0.5 difference between Alpaca and this and it's still cheaper than Creams, Inks or Tealios.
Not sure what's the big fuss. Even the spring difference already makes it "different" than Alpaca.
If you feel that doesnt justify the price difference then no need to get it as simple as that.
More switch options is always good anyway and no one forcing you to get it either.
Post by: Joaquox on Fri, 24 April 2020, 09:30:06
I don't even see why I'm to respond to this, but I will. If they were the same, then H1s would not have placed higher than Alpacas in the blind sound test. They clearly sound different, the springs are different, the materials are different; I'm not sure what else you need to see to understand that these are different switches.MoreI'm not exactly sure why everyone is speculating that these are the same as regular JWK/Durocks, as afaik, nobody has received them in hand yet. They aren't a recolor, and the materials and molds are different to ordinary JWK switches. Please stop generalizing and making umbrella statements if you haven't even tried them.looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointmentlooking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha TypesPeople who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switchI wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
It's really frustrating when people like yourself come in and rant about a product that hasn't even shipped yet, and that's leaving alone the fact that you basically have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm sorry that you're feeling frustrated. If you don't want to be questioned, maybe you could just show us what exactly sets the switch apart, please?
Post by: YMwoo on Fri, 24 April 2020, 09:32:57
Well on my defence, I was referring to how it's sold which is by pack of 10 hahaI agree with Sycomore. If you dislike it so much, simply no need to buy it.$0.05 difference, not $0.50 :thumb:
It's literally just $0.5 difference between Alpaca and this and it's still cheaper than Creams, Inks or Tealios.
Not sure what's the big fuss. Even the spring difference already makes it "different" than Alpaca.
If you feel that doesnt justify the price difference then no need to get it as simple as that.
More switch options is always good anyway and no one forcing you to get it either.
But I totally agree with your words above. Review is nice and all, but I prefer to experience it myself to know the difference.
Still hoping I'd be able to cope it tomorrow when it's up on HHHH's store.
I'm sorry that you're feeling frustrated. If you don't want to be questioned, maybe you could just show us what exactly sets the switch apart, please?It's all in the OP post and he just mentioned all the difference.
You decide whether that's overpriced for a $0.05 difference per switch or not. Idk what else you need to see.
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 24 April 2020, 09:39:00
All my cards are on the table. At this point, I don't owe you anything else. I've told you everything that sets it apart, and that's how this community operates; we give the information present to the best of our knowledge. I'm not sure what else you expect from me. I think we're done hereI don't even see why I'm to respond to this, but I will. If they were the same, then H1s would not have placed higher than Alpacas in the blind sound test. They clearly sound different, the springs are different, the materials are different; I'm not sure what else you need to see to understand that these are different switches.MoreI'm not exactly sure why everyone is speculating that these are the same as regular JWK/Durocks, as afaik, nobody has received them in hand yet. They aren't a recolor, and the materials and molds are different to ordinary JWK switches. Please stop generalizing and making umbrella statements if you haven't even tried them.looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointmentlooking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha TypesPeople who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switchI wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
It's really frustrating when people like yourself come in and rant about a product that hasn't even shipped yet, and that's leaving alone the fact that you basically have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm sorry that you're feeling frustrated. If you don't want to be questioned, maybe you could just show us what exactly sets the switch apart, please?
Post by: walie on Fri, 24 April 2020, 10:01:50
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 24 April 2020, 11:30:26
We've seen the video and read the review.I don't even see why I'm to respond to this, but I will. If they were the same, then H1s would not have placed higher than Alpacas in the blind sound test. They clearly sound different, the springs are different, the materials are different; I'm not sure what else you need to see to understand that these are different switches.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
It's really frustrating when people like yourself come in and rant about a product that hasn't even shipped yet, and that's leaving alone the fact that you basically have no idea what you're talking about.
This is very debatable, seeing how inconsistent the results were between sound tests: Tealios got voted the worst out of 6, then the best out of 6 when lubed, and then the worst again right afterwards, still lubed. Stock H1s, on the other hand, were voted the worst sounding in round 1 and then then second best sounding in round 2. It's all very subjective. I personally thought the H1s and Alpacas sounded almost identical and had a hard time telling them apart throughout the tests, whereas I had no trouble identifying Creams, Tealios and Inks. The position of the switches on the plate also had a really big impact on the sound, likely even more so than the inherent differences between the three JWK switches.
I do, however, totally agree that it's silly to make criticisms like that when the switches haven't shipped yet. Especially based off of one review and one inconsistent sound comparison video (which, even if it were more consistent, doesn't tell you anything about the rest of the switch's characteristics). Wait until you or other people have the switches in hand before definitively drawing conclusions.
Post by: cari66ean on Fri, 24 April 2020, 11:43:32
Post by: FIJ1 on Fri, 24 April 2020, 11:56:33
I'll be quarantining the package for a few days due to COVID-19 because I don't plan on washing the switches with soap and water.
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 24 April 2020, 12:47:31
Post by: cari66ean on Fri, 24 April 2020, 12:52:36
However in terms of sound I personally really like the H1 a lot. When lubed they sounded like having the deepest pitched thock sound of the bunch with the C3s and Alpacas being relatively similar too.
Post by: hmmmwhatsthis on Fri, 24 April 2020, 13:17:13
All my cards are on the table. At this point, I don't owe you anything else. I've told you everything that sets it apart, and that's how this community operates; we give the information present to the best of our knowledge. I'm not sure what else you expect from me. I think we're done hereI don't even see why I'm to respond to this, but I will. If they were the same, then H1s would not have placed higher than Alpacas in the blind sound test. They clearly sound different, the springs are different, the materials are different; I'm not sure what else you need to see to understand that these are different switches.MoreI'm not exactly sure why everyone is speculating that these are the same as regular JWK/Durocks, as afaik, nobody has received them in hand yet. They aren't a recolor, and the materials and molds are different to ordinary JWK switches. Please stop generalizing and making umbrella statements if you haven't even tried them.looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointmentlooking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha TypesPeople who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switchI wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
It's really frustrating when people like yourself come in and rant about a product that hasn't even shipped yet, and that's leaving alone the fact that you basically have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm sorry that you're feeling frustrated. If you don't want to be questioned, maybe you could just show us what exactly sets the switch apart, please?
me know best, don't question me
:confused:
Maybe develop some emotional maturity before running another GB. You're gonna need it for that poorly-designed TKL.
This was marketed as a vintage black replacement and it's not. It's a generic JWK. Shameful.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Fri, 24 April 2020, 13:30:24
All my cards are on the table. At this point, I don't owe you anything else. I've told you everything that sets it apart, and that's how this community operates; we give the information present to the best of our knowledge. I'm not sure what else you expect from me. I think we're done hereI don't even see why I'm to respond to this, but I will. If they were the same, then H1s would not have placed higher than Alpacas in the blind sound test. They clearly sound different, the springs are different, the materials are different; I'm not sure what else you need to see to understand that these are different switches.MoreI'm not exactly sure why everyone is speculating that these are the same as regular JWK/Durocks, as afaik, nobody has received them in hand yet. They aren't a recolor, and the materials and molds are different to ordinary JWK switches. Please stop generalizing and making umbrella statements if you haven't even tried them.looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointmentlooking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha TypesPeople who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switchI wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
It's really frustrating when people like yourself come in and rant about a product that hasn't even shipped yet, and that's leaving alone the fact that you basically have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm sorry that you're feeling frustrated. If you don't want to be questioned, maybe you could just show us what exactly sets the switch apart, please?
me know best, don't question me
:confused:
Maybe develop some emotional maturity before running another GB. You're gonna need it for that poorly-designed TKL.
This was marketed as a vintage black replacement and it's not. It's a generic JWK. Shameful.
Imagine getting this worked up over a $0.60 switch.
Post by: Sup on Fri, 24 April 2020, 13:34:10
Post by: hmmmwhatsthis on Fri, 24 April 2020, 13:41:50
All my cards are on the table. At this point, I don't owe you anything else. I've told you everything that sets it apart, and that's how this community operates; we give the information present to the best of our knowledge. I'm not sure what else you expect from me. I think we're done hereI don't even see why I'm to respond to this, but I will. If they were the same, then H1s would not have placed higher than Alpacas in the blind sound test. They clearly sound different, the springs are different, the materials are different; I'm not sure what else you need to see to understand that these are different switches.MoreI'm not exactly sure why everyone is speculating that these are the same as regular JWK/Durocks, as afaik, nobody has received them in hand yet. They aren't a recolor, and the materials and molds are different to ordinary JWK switches. Please stop generalizing and making umbrella statements if you haven't even tried them.looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointmentlooking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha TypesPeople who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switchI wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
It's really frustrating when people like yourself come in and rant about a product that hasn't even shipped yet, and that's leaving alone the fact that you basically have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm sorry that you're feeling frustrated. If you don't want to be questioned, maybe you could just show us what exactly sets the switch apart, please?
me know best, don't question me
:confused:
Maybe develop some emotional maturity before running another GB. You're gonna need it for that poorly-designed TKL.
This was marketed as a vintage black replacement and it's not. It's a generic JWK. Shameful.
Imagine getting this worked up over a $0.60 switch.
Sure, just keep bending over for dishonest marketers. That's what the community has been doing for the past year.
Post by: Pach on Fri, 24 April 2020, 13:54:53
All my cards are on the table. At this point, I don't owe you anything else. I've told you everything that sets it apart, and that's how this community operates; we give the information present to the best of our knowledge. I'm not sure what else you expect from me. I think we're done hereI don't even see why I'm to respond to this, but I will. If they were the same, then H1s would not have placed higher than Alpacas in the blind sound test. They clearly sound different, the springs are different, the materials are different; I'm not sure what else you need to see to understand that these are different switches.MoreI'm not exactly sure why everyone is speculating that these are the same as regular JWK/Durocks, as afaik, nobody has received them in hand yet. They aren't a recolor, and the materials and molds are different to ordinary JWK switches. Please stop generalizing and making umbrella statements if you haven't even tried them.looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointmentlooking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha TypesPeople who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switchI wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
It's really frustrating when people like yourself come in and rant about a product that hasn't even shipped yet, and that's leaving alone the fact that you basically have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm sorry that you're feeling frustrated. If you don't want to be questioned, maybe you could just show us what exactly sets the switch apart, please?
me know best, don't question me
:confused:
Maybe develop some emotional maturity before running another GB. You're gonna need it for that poorly-designed TKL.
This was marketed as a vintage black replacement and it's not. It's a generic JWK. Shameful.
damn, no need to get super salty
I'd like to know where eniigma specifically said that the H1 switches were marketed as a vintage black replacement.
I can count numerous times where he states that H1 switches feel like vint blacks, and how in his opinion H1 switches are similar to vint blacks, but at what point did he specifically market H1s as a vint black replacement? Sure, these switches are based on vint blacks, but that doesn't mean that they are a replacement for vint blacks. I was kind of lost in your claim.
I don't recall him stating that H1s were majorly different than other JWK switches like Alpacas.
I also trust eniigma that these are not "generic" JWK switches and the molds are actually modified, but just because the mold is different doesn't 100% mean there should be a large change in anything.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Fri, 24 April 2020, 14:55:40
All my cards are on the table. At this point, I don't owe you anything else. I've told you everything that sets it apart, and that's how this community operates; we give the information present to the best of our knowledge. I'm not sure what else you expect from me. I think we're done hereI don't even see why I'm to respond to this, but I will. If they were the same, then H1s would not have placed higher than Alpacas in the blind sound test. They clearly sound different, the springs are different, the materials are different; I'm not sure what else you need to see to understand that these are different switches.MoreI'm not exactly sure why everyone is speculating that these are the same as regular JWK/Durocks, as afaik, nobody has received them in hand yet. They aren't a recolor, and the materials and molds are different to ordinary JWK switches. Please stop generalizing and making umbrella statements if you haven't even tried them.looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointmentlooking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha TypesPeople who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switchI wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
It's really frustrating when people like yourself come in and rant about a product that hasn't even shipped yet, and that's leaving alone the fact that you basically have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm sorry that you're feeling frustrated. If you don't want to be questioned, maybe you could just show us what exactly sets the switch apart, please?
me know best, don't question me
:confused:
Maybe develop some emotional maturity before running another GB. You're gonna need it for that poorly-designed TKL.
This was marketed as a vintage black replacement and it's not. It's a generic JWK. Shameful.
Imagine getting this worked up over a $0.60 switch.
Sure, just keep bending over for dishonest marketers. That's what the community has been doing for the past year.
For someone that doesn't seem interested in the switches, you sure seem to be really concerned about the folks that got them.
While I do appreciate you looking out for me, I don't think it's necessarily. I'm a big boy. I can take care of myself and how I spend my $0.60.
Post by: Velvet_Crowe on Fri, 24 April 2020, 15:05:34
r u ok?All my cards are on the table. At this point, I don't owe you anything else. I've told you everything that sets it apart, and that's how this community operates; we give the information present to the best of our knowledge. I'm not sure what else you expect from me. I think we're done hereI don't even see why I'm to respond to this, but I will. If they were the same, then H1s would not have placed higher than Alpacas in the blind sound test. They clearly sound different, the springs are different, the materials are different; I'm not sure what else you need to see to understand that these are different switches.MoreI'm not exactly sure why everyone is speculating that these are the same as regular JWK/Durocks, as afaik, nobody has received them in hand yet. They aren't a recolor, and the materials and molds are different to ordinary JWK switches. Please stop generalizing and making umbrella statements if you haven't even tried them.looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointmentlooking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha TypesPeople who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switchI wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
It's really frustrating when people like yourself come in and rant about a product that hasn't even shipped yet, and that's leaving alone the fact that you basically have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm sorry that you're feeling frustrated. If you don't want to be questioned, maybe you could just show us what exactly sets the switch apart, please?
me know best, don't question me
:confused:
Maybe develop some emotional maturity before running another GB. You're gonna need it for that poorly-designed TKL.
This was marketed as a vintage black replacement and it's not. It's a generic JWK. Shameful.
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 24 April 2020, 15:06:38
if you don't like it don't buy it
if you do buy it and don't like it give actual reasons
speculation is a waste of everyone's time
Post by: Joaquox on Fri, 24 April 2020, 15:06:49
Anyway we paid $.45 per switch in the MKSwe GB, but we didn't get this purple unicorn housing of course, just the regular ones.
Post by: noodleman on Fri, 24 April 2020, 15:10:04
r u ok?
BUSTAAAAA WOLF!
Post by: badboy731 on Fri, 24 April 2020, 15:19:10
ANYWAY
Looking forward to trying them out!
Post by: hmmmwhatsthis on Fri, 24 April 2020, 15:20:04
r u ok?All my cards are on the table. At this point, I don't owe you anything else. I've told you everything that sets it apart, and that's how this community operates; we give the information present to the best of our knowledge. I'm not sure what else you expect from me. I think we're done hereI don't even see why I'm to respond to this, but I will. If they were the same, then H1s would not have placed higher than Alpacas in the blind sound test. They clearly sound different, the springs are different, the materials are different; I'm not sure what else you need to see to understand that these are different switches.MoreI'm not exactly sure why everyone is speculating that these are the same as regular JWK/Durocks, as afaik, nobody has received them in hand yet. They aren't a recolor, and the materials and molds are different to ordinary JWK switches. Please stop generalizing and making umbrella statements if you haven't even tried them.looking forward to the disappointment threads
jwk linears are already known for being solid switches, not sure why there would be mass disappointmentlooking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
:))
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."
Well if you say it like that any switch needs tuning to be "Good". Even vintage blacks are getting filmed and lubed why if its that good why do people film and lube it?. Most people who are deep into this hobby they know this is from JWK and are not gonna place the H1 on par with a vintage black. What makes you assume people are setting this switch on par with Vintage blacks lol. People are hyped for that custom top that makes the sound deeper then other JWK switches.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha TypesPeople who expect H1 to feel and sound like vintage MX black will be disappointed.
People who can appreciate good linear switches will be satisfied.
People who are insanely sensitive to every aspect of linear switches will need to lube and film before satisfaction.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switchI wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.looking forward to the disappointment threads
Any particular reasoning behind this?
Our community has a history over over-hyping good quality products. And then when that good quality product doesn’t provide a mind-blowing out-of-body experience, people get salty and vent it out in posts.
;D
Although these need a lot of tuning to be "good."FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.I wouldn't be surprised is black inks end up having umphwe in them, so at the end of the day no tangerines didn't do something different with materials in the sense of being the first company to do it.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
It's the same price as a tangerine. Seems reasonable.
Tangerines did something different with the materials. These didn't.
But that's just a speculation. Like I stated above, more availability of JWK linear switches the better off the mkb community is. Imagine having to be forced into buying a switch that is over a dollar for a good linear experience.
If you dislike them so much, you always can vote with your wallet and not buy them simple as that, stick with tangerines which sell out in 2mins likewise with alpacas or I dunno enjoy the price gouge that is zeal switches.
It's still bad people are having to pay more for a recolor that claims to be different, but in reality is the same thing as the regular jwk switches.
We've seen the video and read the review.
They sound the same, they need the same mods to be good, they are from the same factory, we have seen 0 evidence that they are not literally 100% the exact same switch.
They were marked as a vint black replacement, despite having no likeness except for the color.
Whip out the calipers and show us what the difference is, until you do it's an overpriced JWK.
It's really frustrating when people like yourself come in and rant about a product that hasn't even shipped yet, and that's leaving alone the fact that you basically have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm sorry that you're feeling frustrated. If you don't want to be questioned, maybe you could just show us what exactly sets the switch apart, please?
me know best, don't question me
:confused:
Maybe develop some emotional maturity before running another GB. You're gonna need it for that poorly-designed TKL.
This was marketed as a vintage black replacement and it's not. It's a generic JWK. Shameful.
ya r u?
Post by: donkey on Fri, 24 April 2020, 17:36:32
FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
I think Alpaca, H1, Marshmallow, and Mauve switches are pretty much the same except for minor difference in price and sound. More important is availability. None on the list are available stock so the mentioned differences are irrelevant.
Get them when you can because you can sell them at profit if you don't like them.
Just try not to hog the switches. That's not cool.
Post by: Pach on Fri, 24 April 2020, 18:27:28
Exactly what I think. They are all similar switches, and vary only slightly by feel and sound. Nevertheless, they are still very very good linears, and right now it's hard to find them in stock.FYI: H1 Review by Taeha Types
so just a normal durock for more money lol. even alpacas are better value
meme switch
I think Alpaca, H1, Marshmallow, and Mauve switches are pretty much the same except for minor difference in price and sound. More important is availability. None on the list are available stock so the mentioned differences are irrelevant.
Get them when you can because you can sell them at profit if you don't like them.
Just try not to hog the switches. That's not cool.
Post by: Sycomore on Fri, 24 April 2020, 18:34:29
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 24 April 2020, 18:48:58
I think Alpaca, H1, Marshmallow, and Mauve switches are pretty much the same except for minor difference in price and sound. More important is availability. None on the list are available stock so the mentioned differences are irrelevant.
Get them when you can because you can sell them at profit if you don't like them.
Just try not to hog the switches. That's not cool.
Speaking of in-stock switches, someone on Discord contacted Durock on Alibaba and asked them this:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/580081384094302208/703140909574782976/unknown.png)
These are available on AliExpress in different variants (L4 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000416269396.html), L6 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000416364835.html), L7 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000363692997.html)) for $0.55 each, all in stock ready to ship. Also:
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/681576512796885010/702585448345763890/alpaca.JPG)
Make of it what you will.
Post by: Sycomore on Fri, 24 April 2020, 18:59:10
I think Alpaca, H1, Marshmallow, and Mauve switches are pretty much the same except for minor difference in price and sound. More important is availability. None on the list are available stock so the mentioned differences are irrelevant.
Get them when you can because you can sell them at profit if you don't like them.
Just try not to hog the switches. That's not cool.
Speaking of in-stock switches, someone on Discord contacted Durock on Alibaba and asked them this:Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/580081384094302208/703140909574782976/unknown.png)
These are available on AliExpress in different variants (L4 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000416269396.html), L6 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000416364835.html), H7 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000363692997.html)) for $0.55 each, all in stock ready to ship. Also:Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/681576512796885010/702585448345763890/alpaca.JPG)
Make of it what you will.
Noice.
Post by: donkey on Fri, 24 April 2020, 19:14:51
Post by: abrokencondom on Fri, 24 April 2020, 21:02:51
I think Alpaca, H1, Marshmallow, and Mauve switches are pretty much the same except for minor difference in price and sound. More important is availability. None on the list are available stock so the mentioned differences are irrelevant.
Get them when you can because you can sell them at profit if you don't like them.
Just try not to hog the switches. That's not cool.
Speaking of in-stock switches, someone on Discord contacted Durock on Alibaba and asked them this:Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/580081384094302208/703140909574782976/unknown.png)
These are available on AliExpress in different variants (L4 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000416269396.html), L6 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000416364835.html), L7 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000363692997.html)) for $0.55 each, all in stock ready to ship. Also:Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/681576512796885010/702585448345763890/alpaca.JPG)
Make of it what you will.
I have messaged them about the difference between Alpacas and the L series that in stock, and got the same message that it's pretty much the spring force difference 62g vs 67g. I didn't realise Tangies were also the same. Good to know too!
On an aside, I feel we need a better naming system to basically classify switch that are just recolours of the same type... (i.e. Tangerine [DL-67] (Durock Linear 67g)], and Alpacas are [DL-62]). It's getting a bit confusing with all the new catchy naming and alternative colourways.
Silent Alpacas and Ghost switches are essentially Durock silent linear.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 24 April 2020, 21:23:44
On an aside, I feel we need a better naming system to basically classify switch that are just recolours of the same type... (i.e. Tangerine [DL-67] (Durock Linear 67g)], and Alpacas are [DL-62]). It's getting a bit confusing with all the new catchy naming and alternative colourways.
Silent Alpacas and Ghost switches are essentially Durock silent linear.
I don't think classifying by weight would be particularly useful, since springs are usually one of the first things that get changed for custom order switches / recolors. Doing it by top/bottom/stem materials1 and molds used2 would be more accurate, but good luck creating a sensible shorthand for all of that.
1 Most JWK linears, including the stock Durock L* ones, Alpacas, H1s and the upcoming HC SD (https://www.instagram.com/p/B9af5RPnTQQ/), use PC tops, Nylon bottoms and POM stems.
2 If there even are any different molds at all (other than possibly Obsidians).
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 24 April 2020, 21:35:10
one of hundreds
if you want to try it, try it
Post by: gridds on Fri, 24 April 2020, 21:41:09
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 24 April 2020, 22:04:30
Fwiw, I've been in Durock as well and some of the stuff they say is....well...questionable. We already knew that Alpacas were just durock linears, but Tangerines are, from my knowledge, definitely not the same as Durocks. Take those screenshots with a massive grain of salt.I think Alpaca, H1, Marshmallow, and Mauve switches are pretty much the same except for minor difference in price and sound. More important is availability. None on the list are available stock so the mentioned differences are irrelevant.
Get them when you can because you can sell them at profit if you don't like them.
Just try not to hog the switches. That's not cool.
Speaking of in-stock switches, someone on Discord contacted Durock on Alibaba and asked them this:Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/580081384094302208/703140909574782976/unknown.png)
These are available on AliExpress in different variants (L4 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000416269396.html), L6 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000416364835.html), L7 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000363692997.html)) for $0.55 each, all in stock ready to ship. Also:Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/681576512796885010/702585448345763890/alpaca.JPG)
Make of it what you will.
Again, you're calling it a "generic JWK" without having the switches in hand. Low shots about my other designs are just petty.
me know best, don't question me
:confused:
Maybe develop some emotional maturity before running another GB. You're gonna need it for that poorly-designed TKL.
This was marketed as a vintage black replacement and it's not. It's a generic JWK. Shameful.
Anyhow, why don't we drop this until someone actually gets the switches in hand; I can't keep arguing with people like you.
Maybe develop some mental maturity before getting on a forum for community-oriented users like Geekhack :thumb:
Post by: donkey on Fri, 24 April 2020, 22:39:58
Fwiw, I've been in Durock as well and some of the stuff they say is....well...questionable. We already knew that Alpacas were just durock linears, but Tangerines are, from my knowledge, definitely not the same as Durocks. Take those screenshots with a massive grain of salt.
Same here, at least in regard to Tangerines. Tangerines feel and sound noticeably different from other JWK made switches. The only way I can describe the difference is that it feels cleaner and sounds more solid. I am not saying it's better but different and subject to preference.
I found myself using my Mauve board far more often than my Tangerine board. Cream remains my favorite linear switch but it draws too much attention from me while I work so, when I'm working, I use the more bland Mauve board.
Post by: abrokencondom on Fri, 24 April 2020, 22:55:38
On an aside, I feel we need a better naming system to basically classify switch that are just recolours of the same type... (i.e. Tangerine [DL-67] (Durock Linear 67g)], and Alpacas are [DL-62]). It's getting a bit confusing with all the new catchy naming and alternative colourways.
Silent Alpacas and Ghost switches are essentially Durock silent linear.
I don't think classifying by weight would be particularly useful, since springs are usually one of the first things that get changed for custom order switches / recolors. Doing it by top/bottom/stem materials1 and molds used2 would be more accurate, but good luck creating a sensible shorthand for all of that.
1 Most JWK linears, including the stock Durock L* ones, Alpacas, H1s and the upcoming HC SD (https://www.instagram.com/p/B9af5RPnTQQ/), use PC tops, Nylon bottoms and POM stems.
2 If there even are any different molds at all (other than possibly Obsidians).
Good points! Yeah no easy solution for a shorthand system. Although in 15 years time, we're going run out of catchy fruit and animal names for switches if the exponential trend of alternative colourways continues.
Post by: Sycomore on Fri, 24 April 2020, 23:42:43
its a keyboard switch
one of hundreds
if you want to try it, try it
At the end of the day this is what it comes down to
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 24 April 2020, 23:54:33
I found myself using my Mauve board far more often than my Tangerine board. Cream remains my favorite linear switch but it draws too much attention from me while I work so, when I'm working, I use the more bland Mauve board.
Lucky you, already having a board full of Mauves! It seems like that would be the perfect weight for Alpaca-style switches. Did you leave them stock or did you lube / spring-swap?
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 24 April 2020, 23:54:47
its a keyboard switch
one of hundreds
if you want to try it, try it
At the end of the day this is what it comes down to
people want end-all, be-all **** in keyboards these days. sadly that isn't attainable
Post by: Sycomore on Fri, 24 April 2020, 23:59:07
its a keyboard switch
one of hundreds
if you want to try it, try it
At the end of the day this is what it comes down to
people want end-all, be-all **** in keyboards these days. sadly that isn't attainable
100% agree
but at the end of the day it just comes down to personal choice. I personally like a good linear so me seeing more on the market is a good thing.
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 24 April 2020, 23:59:55
its a keyboard switch
one of hundreds
if you want to try it, try it
At the end of the day this is what it comes down to
people want end-all, be-all **** in keyboards these days. sadly that isn't attainable
100% agree
but at the end of the day it just comes down to personal choice. I personally like a good linear so me seeing more on the market is a good thing.
yup. worst case it's just another one to try. every switch is hyped at this point and sells out v quickly. may as well yolo it
Post by: ackzot on Sat, 25 April 2020, 00:09:05
its a keyboard switch
one of hundreds
if you want to try it, try it
At the end of the day this is what it comes down to
people want end-all, be-all **** in keyboards these days. sadly that isn't attainable
100% agree
but at the end of the day it just comes down to personal choice. I personally like a good linear so me seeing more on the market is a good thing.
yup. worst case it's just another one to try. every switch is hyped at this point and sells out v quickly. may as well yolo it
yolo for sure. Glad I picked up 150 switches, enough for 2 builds. JWK linears are good and their variations are constantly sold out.
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 25 April 2020, 00:10:03
its a keyboard switch
one of hundreds
if you want to try it, try it
At the end of the day this is what it comes down to
people want end-all, be-all **** in keyboards these days. sadly that isn't attainable
100% agree
but at the end of the day it just comes down to personal choice. I personally like a good linear so me seeing more on the market is a good thing.
yup. worst case it's just another one to try. every switch is hyped at this point and sells out v quickly. may as well yolo it
yolo for sure. Glad I picked up 150 switches, enough for 2 builds. JWK linears are good and their variations are constantly sold out.
ez flip on mechmarket if you dont like them kekw
Post by: DukeEsquire on Sat, 25 April 2020, 00:11:49
They are very audibly different and I don't know how that can be the case if they are just a spring swap.
I mean, it's easy to test: just use the same spring in an Alpaca and a Tangerine and see if they sound the same. They don't.
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 25 April 2020, 01:17:33
I would be shocked if tangerines were just plain durock switches.
They are very audibly different and I don't know how that can be the case if they are just a spring swap.
I mean, it's easy to test: just use the same spring in an Alpaca and a Tangerine and see if they sound the same. They don't.
They dap the tangerines with a bit of citrus, it softens the plastics for that easy slide.
Post by: donkey on Sat, 25 April 2020, 01:58:28
Lucky you, already having a board full of Mauves! It seems like that would be the perfect weight for Alpaca-style switches. Did you leave them stock or did you lube / spring-swap?
I always give my switches the full treatment: lube (205g0) + film + spring-swap (63.5g).
Then I find the best case + plate + padding combo. For modded Mauve, modded Tofu + POM plate + plate padding was best for me.
Post by: dyka.tran on Sat, 25 April 2020, 04:50:50
Speaking of in-stock switches, someone on Discord contacted Durock on Alibaba and asked them this:Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/580081384094302208/703140909574782976/unknown.png)
These are available on AliExpress in different variants (L4 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000416269396.html), L6 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000416364835.html), L7 (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000363692997.html)) for $0.55 each, all in stock ready to ship. Also:Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/681576512796885010/702585448345763890/alpaca.JPG)
Make of it what you will.
Really noice :cool: TYVM.
Post by: FinalEleven on Sat, 25 April 2020, 08:57:24
They will take forever and then some to arrive. I placed an order for them on the 27th of March and they're still in transit I'm assuming.
If you need linears now, i wouldn't recommend it.
Post by: dyka.tran on Sat, 25 April 2020, 09:12:40
Note on the Durock linears on aliexpress.
They will take forever and then some to arrive. I placed an order for them on the 27th of March and they're still in transit I'm assuming.
If you need linears now, i wouldn't recommend it.
From my experience shipping time of aliex is pretty much RNG ;D
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 25 April 2020, 10:08:54
"once lubed and filmed they are beyond smooth. Better than C3, tealios and fat inks by far."
Post by: Sycomore on Sat, 25 April 2020, 13:11:33
Post by: Pulstura on Sun, 26 April 2020, 20:35:09
Post by: catamscott on Sun, 26 April 2020, 20:57:21
Did I miss out on the GB? :(it was an in-stock sale so people either have their switches already or will have them soon, and yes :-X
luckily though you should be able to find some on mechmarket now or very soon from now since they are already in people's hands
Post by: cari66ean on Mon, 27 April 2020, 08:32:55
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 27 April 2020, 09:02:44
Post by: FIJ1 on Mon, 27 April 2020, 09:32:08
I was able to snag some from DailyClack after hearing Rensuya and Xerpocalypse talk about these switches, I can't wait to get mine in!
Do you have links to these reviews? I've received my switches but my board, films and other parts are stuck in transit somewhere - I'm anxious to try them out...
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 27 April 2020, 10:48:40
And btw, if you aren't subscribed to :3ildcat, you should, great KB content creator.
Post by: cari66ean on Mon, 27 April 2020, 11:15:52
Another sound comparison video with H1s and a few different switches (lubed/unlubed):
And btw, if you aren't subscribed to :3ildcat, you should, great KB content creator.
Interesting... I'm kinda not surprised that I once again prefer the sound of Tealios, which when lubed imho have a very underrated unique and glassy sound. But then again I AM surprised because in Taehe's video while sounding different the H1 were equally good to my ears with a very satisfying low-pitched thock. Here on the other hand it seems to still sound kinda high-pitched even after lubing and filming.
Since in this video a mixed lube was used my assumption is that these switches fare better in terms of sound with the thicker lube (I think Taehe also used Tribosys 3204). We shall see since I only have Tribosys 3204 at home I'll compare them to lubed Tealios and C3 Tangerines once I get the C3s and the H1s.
Post by: scoopbb on Mon, 27 April 2020, 12:13:20
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 27 April 2020, 15:19:01
Post by: Pach on Mon, 27 April 2020, 15:24:15
I received my switches from Novelkeys today. I'm currently using them stock. No films, no lube anywhere. Very low spring ping. Springs are moderately heavy, which I love. I roughly estimate that 50% of the top housings are a snug fit, and 50% need films. So, I will probably end up filming them all. To my ears, they do sound better than stock Durock switches. Quite smooth as well. If someone were to ask me which linear switch to use "stock" I would put these high up on the list with tealios and inks. I think they sound better than inks, personally. Nice switches, sir.Nice short review. Looks like I won't be regretting my purchase.
Post by: rockydbull on Mon, 27 April 2020, 18:11:58
Post by: Pach on Mon, 27 April 2020, 18:13:11
Are these expected to be regularly stocked at novelkeys?No, I think it's up to HHHH if he wants to produce more in the future.
Post by: Sycomore on Mon, 27 April 2020, 23:20:27
I received my switches from Novelkeys today. I'm currently using them stock. No films, no lube anywhere. Very low spring ping. Springs are moderately heavy, which I love. I roughly estimate that 50% of the top housings are a snug fit, and 50% need films. So, I will probably end up filming them all. To my ears, they do sound better than stock Durock switches. Quite smooth as well. If someone were to ask me which linear switch to use "stock" I would put these high up on the list with tealios and inks. I think they sound better than inks, personally. Nice switches, sir.
Thanks, now I'm super excited to get these delivered... These days you just can't go wrong with JWK linears, which is nice seeing as you're not forkin out $100 for a set of 100 switches of another maker/seller.
Post by: Ustinj on Mon, 27 April 2020, 23:21:55
Lubed enough to put on an HHKB -- 60 switches. I haven't typed onthem yet, but I noted that some of them have a scratchy sound while finger-pressing (no cap, just the switch between my fingers), and some are pretty clean / smooth / silent sounding. Reminds me of the somewhat inconsistent nature in my batch of Retooled Blacks.
edit: of course, typing is the ultimate determinant :p
Post by: scoopbb on Mon, 27 April 2020, 23:32:44
i wouldnt say theyd replace blacks for me but they are fine switches. spring just feels a little different and obviously sound is different. the h1s sound louder but also thin and hollow, hopefully lube and film will help when i get around to it.
i still believe all jwk switches are basically the same thing but im also not ultra picky and all said and done i like them and have no regrets lol.
Post by: Sycomore on Mon, 27 April 2020, 23:35:49
i still believe all jwk switches are basically the same thing but im also not ultra picky and all said and done i like them and have no regrets lol.
I agree on the fact that JWK linears are all essentially they same but I can't hate as having more options available for good linears is a good thing.
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 28 April 2020, 00:20:21
Post by: cari66ean on Tue, 28 April 2020, 03:25:06
wait. can someone actually clarify if H1 and Alpacas use the same mold? just diff colors and spring weights?
According to OP H1 have an altered mold. Alpacas, Tangerines and maybe other JWK linears share the same mold but use different materials.
Post by: Sycomore on Tue, 28 April 2020, 03:48:32
wait. can someone actually clarify if H1 and Alpacas use the same mold? just diff colors and spring weights?
According to OP H1 have an altered mold. Alpacas, Tangerines and maybe other JWK linears share the same mold but use different materials.
well most JWK switches excluding the marshmallows from what I can see are the same switch. well the switch housing at least. (uncertain with the tangerines as we don't really have a way to confirm or not if they do have uhmpwe in them).
Post by: FinalEleven on Tue, 28 April 2020, 05:08:19
wait. can someone actually clarify if H1 and Alpacas use the same mold? just diff colors and spring weights?
According to OP H1 have an altered mold. Alpacas, Tangerines and maybe other JWK linears share the same mold but use different materials.
well most JWK switches excluding the marshmallows from what I can see are the same switch. well the switch housing at least. (uncertain with the tangerines as we don't really have a way to confirm or not if they do have uhmpwe in them).
From all the sound tests we've been getting, it seems that at least something is different with the H1s as they sound a bit different than alpacas and tangies.
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Tue, 28 April 2020, 05:18:22
The housing is just like any other JWK switch to be completely honest, but the factory lube job here feels fairly consistent. Where these really shine is the spring. The spring is Exceptional for one thats stock. Of all the switches I've tried and used, which is most of whats on the market, these are one of only two switches that I dont consider necessary for a spring swap. The other being Gat Yellow, although those are a touch light for my chubby fingers).
Out of the box these switches should be usable for most people. whilst the spring is exceptional, I do find a very light coating of 104 does work well for them too. If you dont open these switches there is no need for a film IMO; however, once you do open them its best to add a switch film as the tops seem to be looser just from the opening like many JWK switches.
TL:DR: Spring good. Factory lube even. JWK so smooth. Only need films if you mod them.
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 28 April 2020, 16:39:03
had mine for just voer a week now. I used them in the E8.5 on the weekend and tbh I'm pretty impressed.thanks for the review! good to hear that people are enjoying them!
The housing is just like any other JWK switch to be completely honest, but the factory lube job here feels fairly consistent. Where these really shine is the spring. The spring is Exceptional for one thats stock. Of all the switches I've tried and used, which is most of whats on the market, these are one of only two switches that I dont consider necessary for a spring swap. The other being Gat Yellow, although those are a touch light for my chubby fingers).
Out of the box these switches should be usable for most people. whilst the spring is exceptional, I do find a very light coating of 104 does work well for them too. If you dont open these switches there is no need for a film IMO; however, once you do open them its best to add a switch film as the tops seem to be looser just from the opening like many JWK switches.
TL:DR: Spring good. Factory lube even. JWK so smooth. Only need films if you mod them.
Post by: rockydbull on Tue, 28 April 2020, 19:35:20
Are these expected to be regularly stocked at novelkeys?No, I think it's up to HHHH if he wants to produce more in the future.
Heard from novelkeys on reddit and there will be a big restock in june.
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 29 April 2020, 13:08:35
1. They are very smooth although I could not tell much difference between them and my stock Tangerines in terms of smoothness. I would say they are on par. I would say that both are smoother than Gateron Ink Blacks.
2. They sound better than stock Tangerines and they sound even better filmed.
3. The spring isn't as heavy as I would have thought and are quite usable.
4. The factory lube is VERY light. I lubed with 205g0 and the sound improved.
5. The spring is fantastic. No ping or crunch at all.
In summary, it's a fantastic switch. It's not a game changer by any stretch, but it's a great switch compared to the leading linears on the market. They do cost 5 cents more than run of the mill Durocks so, if you plan on doing a spring swap, then I would stick to normal Durocks since you won't benefit from the quality spring.
Post by: Abhorrent Cell on Wed, 29 April 2020, 15:50:55
I also noticed there seems to be a lot of Vintage Blacks flooding the market right now. Wonder if it's connected to the H1 release.
Post by: catamscott on Wed, 29 April 2020, 16:42:16
I'm not really equipped to provide an in-depth analysis or comparison, but I can definitely say I like these more than Sakurios and lubed Gat Yellows I currently have.
I also noticed there seems to be a lot of Vintage Blacks flooding the market right now. Wonder if it's connected to the H1 release.
unfortunately vintage black prices are pretty rough (at least compared to what i remember them being previously), both for cleaned switches and harvest boards. pretty much all the old wyse boards i've seen on ebay lately are around $100 when they used to be around $50 a year ago or so. and that's for a switch that requires more work and is often not as smooth as many recent linears :(
to keep this response somewhat on topic, i got my H1s in yesterday and am really, really impressed. super smooth and the spring is very nice (though i'll be swapping in something much lighter). wasn't sure if the smoothness would be comparable to the tangerine V2s, but they definitely are just as smooth. great switch at a very reasonable price.
Post by: MMKB on Thu, 30 April 2020, 14:04:28
Post by: dyka.tran on Mon, 04 May 2020, 22:34:22
...Hi Eniigma, when will H1 be in stock again?
thanks for the review! good to hear that people are enjoying them!
Post by: smoian on Tue, 05 May 2020, 06:50:43
Spring is a bit too heavy for my taste, but this is the first switch I've only wanted to spring swap before. Thanks for a great group buy!
Post by: Solotov on Tue, 05 May 2020, 07:32:59
Post by: A.Belousov on Fri, 08 May 2020, 04:00:20
also HHHH's discord link is not working, pls update
thanksss
Post by: Blvck.- on Fri, 08 May 2020, 13:12:02
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 08 May 2020, 16:23:02
Please let us know if you do another run I missed out.https://discord.gg/37VDb8f
please let us know when will be in stock again?When I have news to share, I'll post an update here :thumb:
also HHHH's discord link is not working, pls update
thanksss
Post by: yuki on Sun, 24 May 2020, 06:43:51
With all of my conversations with durock, everglide (through peak) and with JWK resellers and proxies i've come up with this much:
The differences in the sound of jwk switches comes from 3 factors:
factory leg lube
dye content
retool period (they retool their molds on a cycle, and at the beginning of 2019 they retooled housings to try to reduce the switch top wobble and
stem wobble)
As for Tangerines, make of this screenshot what you will, I think it may be slightly more explicitly relevant, I have censored the name for obv reasons but the pfp is there, this is through Alibaba.
Post by: Rob27shred on Sun, 24 May 2020, 07:30:39
Edit: Looks like it didnt quote the message i was looking at for some reason. Sry about that.
With all of my conversations with durock, everglide (through peak) and with JWK resellers and proxies i've come up with this much:
The differences in the sound of jwk switches comes from 3 factors:
factory leg lube
dye content
retool period (they retool their molds on a cycle, and at the beginning of 2019 they retooled housings to try to reduce the switch top wobble and
stem wobble)
As for Tangerines, make of this screenshot what you will, I think it may be slightly more explicitly relevant, I have censored the name for obv reasons but the pfp is there, this is through Alibaba.
So Tangies V2 are just recolors then, hmm. I wonder why they were described to have a UHMPE blend for the housings... I hope it was something just lost in translation, not a flatout lie. Although on a brighter point those of us who have neglected trying PE stems with Tangie V2 housing because of them being the same material can drop that ideal & give it a try.
Post by: ThereminGoat on Tue, 09 June 2020, 12:07:16
Edit: Looks like it didnt quote the message i was looking at for some reason. Sry about that.
With all of my conversations with durock, everglide (through peak) and with JWK resellers and proxies i've come up with this much:
The differences in the sound of jwk switches comes from 3 factors:
factory leg lube
dye content
retool period (they retool their molds on a cycle, and at the beginning of 2019 they retooled housings to try to reduce the switch top wobble and
stem wobble)
As for Tangerines, make of this screenshot what you will, I think it may be slightly more explicitly relevant, I have censored the name for obv reasons but the pfp is there, this is through Alibaba.
Well Yuki, there are a couple of issues with your post and the understanding that you've generated from this conversation. This may help set you a bit more straight:
1. If you attempt to contact JWK as a westerner or English speaker you will automatically be pushed to Durock, which is currently the only western facing producer in JWK's factory. This is just the way that the Chinese manufacturers to business, both in practice and culturally. The fact that you got a response in English that is good tells me your response is from Durock instead of JWK.
2. JWK is the factory. Durock is a manufacturer and/or distributor within the factory. In a great analogy, JWK is to Gateron as Durock is to Zeal.
3. Tangerine V2s absolutely do have their own molds - I've discussed as much with both C3 as well as multiple people at TKC and know for a fact that I new mold was created. In fact, these molds have their own production line at JWK and are *not* used by Durock because they are bought and owned by C3/TKC.
4. Since there is a clear and present separation of JWK and Durock properties given that there is a specific Tangerine V2 production line at JWK, we can assume that its not out of the picture to think that the only line that can support UHMWPE is the one that produces Tangerines. If they don't share molds then why could they share materials? Only further positing an idea - perhaps TKC has a contract with them that would allow *only them* to use UHMWPE. Doesn't sound reasonable? Do consider that Keebwerk has a contract to literally be the only one to have silent tactiles for an entire year - the precedent has been sent.
5. If the claim wants to be made that in fact *no* manufacturer has the capacity to work with UHMWPE - I'd like to point to Invyr's PE stems. If they are being made at the same manufacturing location that made Invyr Pandas (V1 or V3) then they are significantly smaller and have (in general) worse product output than Durock does. If this company is capable of pushing out PE stems, and there is no question of authenticity with them, then its kind of unreasonable to think JWK is incapable.
(And if you send this screenshot to my favorite buddy who I won't name, I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong, mate.)
Post by: Zeelobby on Tue, 09 June 2020, 12:19:34
Edit: Looks like it didnt quote the message i was looking at for some reason. Sry about that.
With all of my conversations with durock, everglide (through peak) and with JWK resellers and proxies i've come up with this much:
The differences in the sound of jwk switches comes from 3 factors:
factory leg lube
dye content
retool period (they retool their molds on a cycle, and at the beginning of 2019 they retooled housings to try to reduce the switch top wobble and
stem wobble)
As for Tangerines, make of this screenshot what you will, I think it may be slightly more explicitly relevant, I have censored the name for obv reasons but the pfp is there, this is through Alibaba.
Well Yuki, there are a couple of issues with your post and the understanding that you've generated from this conversation. This may help set you a bit more straight:
1. If you attempt to contact JWK as a westerner or English speaker you will automatically be pushed to Durock, which is currently the only western facing producer in JWK's factory. This is just the way that the Chinese manufacturers to business, both in practice and culturally. The fact that you got a response in English that is good tells me your response is from Durock instead of JWK.
2. JWK is the factory. Durock is a manufacturer and/or distributor within the factory. In a great analogy, JWK is to Gateron as Durock is to Zeal.
3. Tangerine V2s absolutely do have their own molds - I've discussed as much with both C3 as well as multiple people at TKC and know for a fact that I new mold was created. In fact, these molds have their own production line at JWK and are *not* used by Durock because they are bought and owned by C3/TKC.
4. Since there is a clear and present separation of JWK and Durock properties given that there is a specific Tangerine V2 production line at JWK, we can assume that its not out of the picture to think that the only line that can support UHMWPE is the one that produces Tangerines. If they don't share molds then why could they share materials? Only further positing an idea - perhaps TKC has a contract with them that would allow *only them* to use UHMWPE. Doesn't sound reasonable? Do consider that Keebwerk has a contract to literally be the only one to have silent tactiles for an entire year - the precedent has been sent.
5. If the claim wants to be made that in fact *no* manufacturer has the capacity to work with UHMWPE - I'd like to point to Invyr's PE stems. If they are being made at the same manufacturing location that made Invyr Pandas (V1 or V3) then they are significantly smaller and have (in general) worse product output than Durock does. If this company is capable of pushing out PE stems, and there is no question of authenticity with them, then its kind of unreasonable to think JWK is incapable.
(And if you send this screenshot to my favorite buddy who I won't name, I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong, mate.)
Definitely makes sense. Just wish some proof would be supplied, that would make all of this go away, basically instantly. Pictures of the new molds, name-redacted back and forths, etc. Like this shouldn't be impossible to do, and would just end all this speculation which has been going back and forth for months. I'm sure TKC, or one of these other connections could just do it, and put this all to rest, no?
Also, I'd honestly not use Invyr's PE stems as an example which a larger company would be OK mass producing. While I've used some and had no issue, they're very inconsistent and tolerances are all over the place. I'd be pretty pissed if i bought those as a pre-packaged switch, especially the occasional binding. Now as a frankenswitch product, i'm fine with it, cause i can pick through them, and use ones that work at minimal cost. As an owner of tangerines, I've never had issues with their stems, which is different from PE stems in my experience.
Post by: ThereminGoat on Tue, 09 June 2020, 12:24:52
Edit: Looks like it didnt quote the message i was looking at for some reason. Sry about that.
With all of my conversations with durock, everglide (through peak) and with JWK resellers and proxies i've come up with this much:
The differences in the sound of jwk switches comes from 3 factors:
factory leg lube
dye content
retool period (they retool their molds on a cycle, and at the beginning of 2019 they retooled housings to try to reduce the switch top wobble and
stem wobble)
As for Tangerines, make of this screenshot what you will, I think it may be slightly more explicitly relevant, I have censored the name for obv reasons but the pfp is there, this is through Alibaba.
Well Yuki, there are a couple of issues with your post and the understanding that you've generated from this conversation. This may help set you a bit more straight:
1. If you attempt to contact JWK as a westerner or English speaker you will automatically be pushed to Durock, which is currently the only western facing producer in JWK's factory. This is just the way that the Chinese manufacturers to business, both in practice and culturally. The fact that you got a response in English that is good tells me your response is from Durock instead of JWK.
2. JWK is the factory. Durock is a manufacturer and/or distributor within the factory. In a great analogy, JWK is to Gateron as Durock is to Zeal.
3. Tangerine V2s absolutely do have their own molds - I've discussed as much with both C3 as well as multiple people at TKC and know for a fact that I new mold was created. In fact, these molds have their own production line at JWK and are *not* used by Durock because they are bought and owned by C3/TKC.
4. Since there is a clear and present separation of JWK and Durock properties given that there is a specific Tangerine V2 production line at JWK, we can assume that its not out of the picture to think that the only line that can support UHMWPE is the one that produces Tangerines. If they don't share molds then why could they share materials? Only further positing an idea - perhaps TKC has a contract with them that would allow *only them* to use UHMWPE. Doesn't sound reasonable? Do consider that Keebwerk has a contract to literally be the only one to have silent tactiles for an entire year - the precedent has been sent.
5. If the claim wants to be made that in fact *no* manufacturer has the capacity to work with UHMWPE - I'd like to point to Invyr's PE stems. If they are being made at the same manufacturing location that made Invyr Pandas (V1 or V3) then they are significantly smaller and have (in general) worse product output than Durock does. If this company is capable of pushing out PE stems, and there is no question of authenticity with them, then its kind of unreasonable to think JWK is incapable.
(And if you send this screenshot to my favorite buddy who I won't name, I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong, mate.)
Definitely makes sense. Just wish some proof would be supplied, that would make all of this go away, basically instantly. Pictures of the new molds, name-redacted back and forths, etc. Like this shouldn't be impossible to do, and would just end all this speculation which has been going back and forth for months. I'm sure TKC, or one of these other connections could just do it, and put this all to rest, no?
Also, I'd honestly not use Invyr's PE stems as an example which a larger company would be OK mass producing. While I've used some and had no issue, they're very inconsistent and tolerances are all over the place. I'd be pretty pissed if i bought those as a pre-packaged switch, especially the occasional binding. Now as a frankenswitch product, i'm fine with it, cause i can pick through them, and use ones that work at minimal cost. As an owner of tangerines, I've never had issues with their stems, which is different from PE stems in my experience.
With respect to Invyr PE stems - I used them as an example of a company being able to have the *capability* of using UHMWPE in their molding process. If you disagree with the quality or production standard of that product, that's fine - but it can be made like **** (in your opinion) and still made out of PE
As for the response from TKC - Do consider its like a small handful of people who are saying these things and aren't exactly throwing a big fit. Is it worth TKC's time to go through all of the effort to prove stuff if like 10 people choose not to buy their products? Until someone big and of actual impact or note starts making these claims, it just isn't worth their time to be entirely honest. Someone like me who has nothing better to do? - **** it, I'll reply to all of these threads to help point people out to their misunderstandings.
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 09 June 2020, 12:27:31
Edit: Looks like it didnt quote the message i was looking at for some reason. Sry about that.
With all of my conversations with durock, everglide (through peak) and with JWK resellers and proxies i've come up with this much:
The differences in the sound of jwk switches comes from 3 factors:
factory leg lube
dye content
retool period (they retool their molds on a cycle, and at the beginning of 2019 they retooled housings to try to reduce the switch top wobble and
stem wobble)
As for Tangerines, make of this screenshot what you will, I think it may be slightly more explicitly relevant, I have censored the name for obv reasons but the pfp is there, this is through Alibaba.
Well Yuki, there are a couple of issues with your post and the understanding that you've generated from this conversation. This may help set you a bit more straight:
1. If you attempt to contact JWK as a westerner or English speaker you will automatically be pushed to Durock, which is currently the only western facing producer in JWK's factory. This is just the way that the Chinese manufacturers to business, both in practice and culturally. The fact that you got a response in English that is good tells me your response is from Durock instead of JWK.
2. JWK is the factory. Durock is a manufacturer and/or distributor within the factory. In a great analogy, JWK is to Gateron as Durock is to Zeal.
3. Tangerine V2s absolutely do have their own molds - I've discussed as much with both C3 as well as multiple people at TKC and know for a fact that I new mold was created. In fact, these molds have their own production line at JWK and are *not* used by Durock because they are bought and owned by C3/TKC.
4. Since there is a clear and present separation of JWK and Durock properties given that there is a specific Tangerine V2 production line at JWK, we can assume that its not out of the picture to think that the only line that can support UHMWPE is the one that produces Tangerines. If they don't share molds then why could they share materials? Only further positing an idea - perhaps TKC has a contract with them that would allow *only them* to use UHMWPE. Doesn't sound reasonable? Do consider that Keebwerk has a contract to literally be the only one to have silent tactiles for an entire year - the precedent has been sent.
5. If the claim wants to be made that in fact *no* manufacturer has the capacity to work with UHMWPE - I'd like to point to Invyr's PE stems. If they are being made at the same manufacturing location that made Invyr Pandas (V1 or V3) then they are significantly smaller and have (in general) worse product output than Durock does. If this company is capable of pushing out PE stems, and there is no question of authenticity with them, then its kind of unreasonable to think JWK is incapable.
(And if you send this screenshot to my favorite buddy who I won't name, I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong, mate.)
Definitely makes sense. Just wish some proof would be supplied, that would make all of this go away, basically instantly. Pictures of the new molds, name-redacted back and forths, etc. Like this shouldn't be impossible to do, and would just end all this speculation which has been going back and forth for months. I'm sure TKC, or one of these other connections could just do it, and put this all to rest, no?
Also, I'd honestly not use Invyr's PE stems as an example which a larger company would be OK mass producing. While I've used some and had no issue, they're very inconsistent and tolerances are all over the place. I'd be pretty pissed if i bought those as a pre-packaged switch, especially the occasional binding. Now as a frankenswitch product, i'm fine with it, cause i can pick through them, and use ones that work at minimal cost. As an owner of tangerines, I've never had issues with their stems, which is different from PE stems in my experience.
Here's a list of the known facts:
-Durock is the only known Western distributor for JWK (source: Durock on Alibaba)
-C3 Tangerines have custom molds (source: TKC)
-Durock also has their own molds (source: Durock owns T1, Alpacas, and other molds)
-Durock is not JWK's only customer (source: H1s exist)
-JWK has other customers than Durock (source: H1s)
-Not all JWK molds are accessible by Durock (source: TKC and Durock)
I think it's unreasonable to assume that since Durock is unwilling to put in the time and money for creating a UHWMPE mold (source: I asked them, see screenshot), JWK cannot produce switches with UHWMPE in them.
(https://i.imgur.com/ssFDrwj.png]https://i.imgur.com/ssFDrwj.png)
Post by: Zeelobby on Tue, 09 June 2020, 12:35:10
Edit: Looks like it didnt quote the message i was looking at for some reason. Sry about that.
With all of my conversations with durock, everglide (through peak) and with JWK resellers and proxies i've come up with this much:
The differences in the sound of jwk switches comes from 3 factors:
factory leg lube
dye content
retool period (they retool their molds on a cycle, and at the beginning of 2019 they retooled housings to try to reduce the switch top wobble and
stem wobble)
As for Tangerines, make of this screenshot what you will, I think it may be slightly more explicitly relevant, I have censored the name for obv reasons but the pfp is there, this is through Alibaba.
Well Yuki, there are a couple of issues with your post and the understanding that you've generated from this conversation. This may help set you a bit more straight:
1. If you attempt to contact JWK as a westerner or English speaker you will automatically be pushed to Durock, which is currently the only western facing producer in JWK's factory. This is just the way that the Chinese manufacturers to business, both in practice and culturally. The fact that you got a response in English that is good tells me your response is from Durock instead of JWK.
2. JWK is the factory. Durock is a manufacturer and/or distributor within the factory. In a great analogy, JWK is to Gateron as Durock is to Zeal.
3. Tangerine V2s absolutely do have their own molds - I've discussed as much with both C3 as well as multiple people at TKC and know for a fact that I new mold was created. In fact, these molds have their own production line at JWK and are *not* used by Durock because they are bought and owned by C3/TKC.
4. Since there is a clear and present separation of JWK and Durock properties given that there is a specific Tangerine V2 production line at JWK, we can assume that its not out of the picture to think that the only line that can support UHMWPE is the one that produces Tangerines. If they don't share molds then why could they share materials? Only further positing an idea - perhaps TKC has a contract with them that would allow *only them* to use UHMWPE. Doesn't sound reasonable? Do consider that Keebwerk has a contract to literally be the only one to have silent tactiles for an entire year - the precedent has been sent.
5. If the claim wants to be made that in fact *no* manufacturer has the capacity to work with UHMWPE - I'd like to point to Invyr's PE stems. If they are being made at the same manufacturing location that made Invyr Pandas (V1 or V3) then they are significantly smaller and have (in general) worse product output than Durock does. If this company is capable of pushing out PE stems, and there is no question of authenticity with them, then its kind of unreasonable to think JWK is incapable.
(And if you send this screenshot to my favorite buddy who I won't name, I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong, mate.)
Definitely makes sense. Just wish some proof would be supplied, that would make all of this go away, basically instantly. Pictures of the new molds, name-redacted back and forths, etc. Like this shouldn't be impossible to do, and would just end all this speculation which has been going back and forth for months. I'm sure TKC, or one of these other connections could just do it, and put this all to rest, no?
Also, I'd honestly not use Invyr's PE stems as an example which a larger company would be OK mass producing. While I've used some and had no issue, they're very inconsistent and tolerances are all over the place. I'd be pretty pissed if i bought those as a pre-packaged switch, especially the occasional binding. Now as a frankenswitch product, i'm fine with it, cause i can pick through them, and use ones that work at minimal cost. As an owner of tangerines, I've never had issues with their stems, which is different from PE stems in my experience.
With respect to Invyr PE stems - I used them as an example of a company being able to have the *capability* of using UHMWPE in their molding process. If you disagree with the quality or production standard of that product, that's fine - but it can be made like **** (in your opinion) and still made out of PE
As for the response from TKC - Do consider its like a small handful of people who are saying these things and aren't exactly throwing a big fit. Is it worth TKC's time to go through all of the effort to prove stuff if like 10 people choose not to buy their products? Until someone big and of actual impact or note starts making these claims, it just isn't worth their time to be entirely honest. Someone like me who has nothing better to do? - **** it, I'll reply to all of these threads to help point people out to their misunderstandings.
But that quote from durock above seems to clearly imply that failure rate would be a reason not consider it. They might have the capability to produce inconsistent stems like Invyr, but clearly they don't want to? And I never said they were made like ****, but i would never mass produce and ship a product like that. Shipping stems is pretty easy to forgive, as it's such a small niche of a niche that even frankenswitches to begin with. That said, your right that it may only be Durock avoiding it, and JWK might be totally on board.
Also, you make it sound like it would be more than just sending an email or contacting JWK (who they must have lines to already). Doesn't sound that hard. I know it's been brought up multiple times in the TKC discord, and other discords as well (not just the one that should not be mentioned ;)). And I'm sorry, but if there excuse is "people will buy them anyway", that's a pretty ****ty reason. People will buy anything these days with the massive demand and limited supply, doesn't mean we should just give every vendor a free pass to say and sell whatever they want.
Again, i don't really care, I like my tangies, but I would like to know what they are, and it seems easy to clear up. Bigger companies do that in simple support emails for single customers. Feel like i'm not asking to move mountains. But anyway, i have no real dog in this fight so I'll just leave it at that.
Post by: yuki on Wed, 10 June 2020, 05:42:16
Thank you Goat, I am well aware to whom I was speaking. You may have somehow missed the part where I explicitly stated I was speaking with Durock. Also taking TKC/c3 as a source for correct information about the switches is not proof in the slightest, not that they must be lying. But it would be absolutely stupid to say "the people that stand to benefit from saying so, and whose claims are being questioned say its true therefor it must be". As im sure must be obvious.
As for JWK being the factory, yes once again I am well aware though they produce switches and tooling, Durock are a manufacturer who uses some of
said tooling, that specifically which they purchased/are contracted to use (pdf below with some switch details). Consider this, Durock confers with JWK about creating new tooling for their switches... JWK themselves give switches made with the material a failure evaluation, most likely due to tolerance and consistency/yield issues and say simply its not possible/we wont do it.
This leads me to believe that tangerines v2 are not UHMWPE for two reasons, one you probably already understand admittedly is weak, that being that, if JWK/Durock gives them a failure evaluation, why would tkc have them produced regardless? This one isn't great since its not Durock producing them supposedly but its worth thinking about to an extent.
The second reason, we know from bsun's UHMWPE stem tolerances being poor, that similarly other UHMWPE switch tolerances should also be rather poor, as was stated by them as well as JWK and Durock. Knowing this I have a few questions. For example, A) tv2 have the exact same switch top wobble as other JWK switches, B) they have the exact same tooling marks as other jwk switches, C) they sound practically indistinguishable from other jwk switches which are a mix of nylon and pc, D) they do not look remotely like what UHMWPE is expected to look like,
Most importantly E), they are very consistent from switch to switch, the tolerances seem very good (aside from poor elasticity of major pc content top housings causing switch top wobble), as expected of jwk and durock switches we have seen before. *not* expected from UHMWPE.
Nothing so far leads any of us to believe that they are UHMWPE nor that they have actually any UHMWPE content. So far everything leads us to believe the opposite.
Moving on to Eniigma's kind response,
Quote
Here's a list of the known facts:
-Durock is the only known Western distributor for JWK (source: Durock on Alibaba)
-C3 Tangerines have custom molds (source: TKC)
-Durock also has their own molds (source: Durock owns T1, Alpacas, and other molds)
-Durock is not JWK's only customer (source: H1s exist)
-JWK has other customers than Durock (source: H1s)
-Not all JWK molds are accessible by Durock (source: TKC and Durock)
I think it's unreasonable to assume that since Durock is unwilling to put in the time and money for creating a UHWMPE mold (source: I asked them, see screenshot), JWK cannot produce switches with UHWMPE in them.
1, yes
2, claims from the group that stands to benefit and that has provided no proof is not valid, especially since they themselves dont know how much uhmwpe there "could be" in the switches, based on what they said in their discord, it seems any information they have either is not verifiable by any of us including them, or someone is lying, whether it be them or JWK, I am willing to believe nobody is lying, but its hard to trust tkc, and its hard to trust JWK as well, but i dont think they could both be lying if at all.
3, yes, also leopold surprisingly
4, same statement as before, just inverted for some reason
5, yes
Durock *can* produce uhmwpe, they just refuse to, JWK also *can* for sure, no proof thus far if they do or are willing to or not.
Also finally, in the screenshot i posted, they do clearly say in response to my question only about tangerines v2, that "the advertisement by customers are not controlled by us", not sure if theyre expanding the response to include unrelated switches i have never mentioned to them in conversation, but i doubt they would do that.
Post by: zacheadams on Wed, 10 June 2020, 10:44:45
Post by: Gondolindrim on Wed, 10 June 2020, 12:49:47
Sorry to break up this unclear scuffle, but if anyone is looking to part with 65-70 H1 switches, please hit me up.
Same, dm me in disc
Post by: ThereminGoat on Wed, 10 June 2020, 17:09:20
Starting out I am not attacking TKC or anyone else, I just want accurate information like the rest of us.
Thank you Goat, I am well aware to whom I was speaking. You may have somehow missed the part where I explicitly stated I was speaking with Durock. Also taking TKC/c3 as a source for correct information about the switches is not proof in the slightest, not that they must be lying. But it would be absolutely stupid to say "the people that stand to benefit from saying so, and whose claims are being questioned say its true therefor it must be". As im sure must be obvious.
As for JWK being the factory, yes once again I am well aware though they produce switches and tooling, Durock are a manufacturer who uses some of
said tooling, that specifically which they purchased/are contracted to use (pdf below with some switch details). Consider this, Durock confers with JWK about creating new tooling for their switches... JWK themselves give switches made with the material a failure evaluation, most likely due to tolerance and consistency/yield issues and say simply its not possible/we wont do it.
This leads me to believe that tangerines v2 are not UHMWPE for two reasons, one you probably already understand admittedly is weak, that being that, if JWK/Durock gives them a failure evaluation, why would tkc have them produced regardless? This one isn't great since its not Durock producing them supposedly but its worth thinking about to an extent.
The second reason, we know from bsun's UHMWPE stem tolerances being poor, that similarly other UHMWPE switch tolerances should also be rather poor, as was stated by them as well as JWK and Durock. Knowing this I have a few questions. For example, A) tv2 have the exact same switch top wobble as other JWK switches, B) they have the exact same tooling marks as other jwk switches, C) they sound practically indistinguishable from other jwk switches which are a mix of nylon and pc, D) they do not look remotely like what UHMWPE is expected to look like,
Most importantly E), they are very consistent from switch to switch, the tolerances seem very good (aside from poor elasticity of major pc content top housings causing switch top wobble), as expected of jwk and durock switches we have seen before. *not* expected from UHMWPE.
Nothing so far leads any of us to believe that they are UHMWPE nor that they have actually any UHMWPE content. So far everything leads us to believe the opposite.
Moving on to Eniigma's kind response,QuoteHere's a list of the known facts:
-Durock is the only known Western distributor for JWK (source: Durock on Alibaba)
-C3 Tangerines have custom molds (source: TKC)
-Durock also has their own molds (source: Durock owns T1, Alpacas, and other molds)
-Durock is not JWK's only customer (source: H1s exist)
-JWK has other customers than Durock (source: H1s)
-Not all JWK molds are accessible by Durock (source: TKC and Durock)
I think it's unreasonable to assume that since Durock is unwilling to put in the time and money for creating a UHWMPE mold (source: I asked them, see screenshot), JWK cannot produce switches with UHWMPE in them.
1, yes
2, claims from the group that stands to benefit and that has provided no proof is not valid, especially since they themselves dont know how much uhmwpe there "could be" in the switches, based on what they said in their discord, it seems any information they have either is not verifiable by any of us including them, or someone is lying, whether it be them or JWK, I am willing to believe nobody is lying, but its hard to trust tkc, and its hard to trust JWK as well, but i dont think they could both be lying if at all.
3, yes, also leopold surprisingly
4, same statement as before, just inverted for some reason
5, yes
Durock *can* produce uhmwpe, they just refuse to, JWK also *can* for sure, no proof thus far if they do or are willing to or not.
Also finally, in the screenshot i posted, they do clearly say in response to my question only about tangerines v2, that "the advertisement by customers are not controlled by us", not sure if theyre expanding the response to include unrelated switches i have never mentioned to them in conversation, but i doubt they would do that.
A. I mean nobody I am aware of has an objective metric for wobble. In my experience, they do have less wobble and especially compared with other JWK switches that would have been being developed around the same time.
B. Again, while some photographic evidence might support this, you probably are referring to injection points? If not and just general tooling, it would stand to reason that if a company has found a best way to make a mold that they would emulate that in future productions, no? No need to reinvent the wheel.
C. Sound is even more subjective than wobble when it comes to comparing switches. This isn't a strong metric in the slightest.
D. What exactly is UHMWPE supposed to look like? Are there not dyes and coloring agents that can make any material look like anything these days?
E. Again, not sure where you are supporting this claim that this is somehow unexpected behavior?
Post by: yuki on Wed, 10 June 2020, 23:20:33
It is unexpected for a switch housing or stem made from UHMWPE to have such consistent tolerances for a number of reasons, for one we know how hard it is seeing how much trouble bsun is having with it. But more importantly, UHMWPE is rather bad for injection molding, due to it being as massive as it is (among other qualities which I am not knowledgeable enough to describe accurately), it does not "flow" when "melted" and is hard to handle. It is very difficult to get consistency from molds and the material is normally made into large blocks and or sheets, then material is removed from said pieces to make it suitable for other applications.
Additionally UHMWPE is a material that is almost completely opaque normally, simply dying it is quite the challenge. Thats what instantly made many of us suspicious of the claim that they were made from UHMWPE, and not instead a mix of it and another material. The colour is one thing, but the high, basically complete transparency is another altogether, without a high content of a non UHMWPE material, this level of clarity through the housings is not achievable. Think of it as similar in look to nylon, gateron ks3x47 milky tops for example are nylon like the normal ks3 but with PC content added to achieve translucency, this also introduces lesser elasticity and after being opened a few times they also begin to 'require' films.
In any case, im glad people are willing to talk about it without hostility, though I think its time the discussion either moved somewhere that isnt eniigma's H1 thread or simply ended. Its clear tkc has no conclusive information and likely will not receive any extra. I dont think its worth for any of us to hound them or jwk or anyone else for said information either. (even if it was, please dont, thats not okay) Regardless, I dont see a point in continuing this without objective proof one way or another so im not going to keep pushing the point, to me what ive brought up so far is enough to warrant me not trusting whats been claimed. And I hope people can make their own decisions with a little more to consider than just company claims.
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 12 June 2020, 14:07:27
I think it's safe to say that the H1 switches were a success, and they seemed to be generally liked. HHHH passes along his thanks to all of you for all the support.
There is another batch of H1 switches that are currently undergoing manufacturing as we speak, and they should be ready for sale sometime in July!
Thank you all again for all the support! We really appreciate it!
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 12 June 2020, 14:08:01
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 12 June 2020, 14:10:12
Is this batch the same number of units as the first?
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 12 June 2020, 14:11:47
Finally! :DYeah, there is an overall similar number of switches
Is this batch the same number of units as the first?
Post by: FunBox on Fri, 12 June 2020, 17:13:19
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Post by: eniigma on Fri, 12 June 2020, 17:23:26
Where will they be for sale this time around? Been wanting to try some heavier springsSame vendors as the first batch!
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Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 12 June 2020, 17:29:17
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 12 June 2020, 17:36:24
I assume you are going to announce here when the sales go live, like you did before?Yep, definitely
Post by: dRnRcRr on Fri, 12 June 2020, 19:48:42
Post by: junwon9710 on Fri, 12 June 2020, 21:03:15
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 12 June 2020, 21:51:45
Around how many switches will be available?We won't get into specifics about numbers, but a similar number to last time.
Post by: mech0nly on Fri, 12 June 2020, 22:54:17
Hey everyone, I think it's time for a little update!
I think it's safe to say that the H1 switches were a success, and they seemed to be generally liked. HHHH passes along his thanks to all of you for all the support.
There is another batch of H1 switches that are currently undergoing manufacturing as we speak, and they should be ready for sale sometime in July!
Thank you all again for all the support! We really appreciate it!
fingers crossed!
Post by: junwon9710 on Fri, 12 June 2020, 22:56:15
Oh Can we know how many were in stock from the first sale?Around how many switches will be available?We won't get into specifics about numbers, but a similar number to last time.
Post by: Boy_314 on Fri, 12 June 2020, 23:05:20
Oh Can we know how many were in stock from the first sale?Around how many switches will be available?We won't get into specifics about numbers, but a similar number to last time.
bro you can't be serious lmao
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 15 June 2020, 07:52:52
Production of the second batch should be wrapping up later this week! Vendors are expected to receive their switches in mid-July!
Post by: Blvck.- on Tue, 16 June 2020, 16:41:26
Hey everyone, another quick update!
Production of the second batch should be wrapping up later this week! Vendors are expected to receive their switches in mid-July!
Can we get a list of vendors or are they still being figured out?
Post by: KaosJ on Tue, 16 June 2020, 17:11:45
Hey everyone, another quick update!
Production of the second batch should be wrapping up later this week! Vendors are expected to receive their switches in mid-July!
vendors name ?
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 16 June 2020, 17:31:48
Hey everyone, another quick update!
Production of the second batch should be wrapping up later this week! Vendors are expected to receive their switches in mid-July!
vendors name ?
I think the same vendors as before
Post by: dRnRcRr on Tue, 16 June 2020, 17:35:30
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 26 June 2020, 10:03:17
Update 6/26
Production of the second batch is now complete! HHHH expects to receive them sometime next week, and they should be shipped out to vendors very soon! We expect the sales to begin in mid-July. Thanks everyone for your patience!
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 26 June 2020, 10:03:57
Post by: Blvck.- on Sun, 28 June 2020, 06:26:05
Hey everyone, it's time to start getting excited! :D
Update 6/26
Production of the second batch is now complete! HHHH expects to receive them sometime next week, and they should be shipped out to vendors very soon! We expect the sales to begin in mid-July. Thanks everyone for your patience!
Can we have a list of vendors?
Post by: okidna on Sun, 28 June 2020, 07:29:41
Can we have a list of vendors?
Where will they be for sale this time around? Been wanting to try some heavier springsSame vendors as the first batch!
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So it will be ILUMKB, Mykeyboard, and Novelkeys.
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 28 June 2020, 09:43:45
... and Apexkeyboards, DailyClack, and Letsgetit.io (HHHH’s store). All this info is in the OP as well.Can we have a list of vendors?Where will they be for sale this time around? Been wanting to try some heavier springsSame vendors as the first batch!
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So it will be ILUMKB, Mykeyboard, and Novelkeys.
Post by: alper_maestro on Tue, 14 July 2020, 15:03:52
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 14 July 2020, 16:26:56
When can we expect to buy the second batch? This week?
soon™
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 14 July 2020, 19:48:03
When can we expect to buy the second batch? This week?Hopefully next week.
Post by: flying1911 on Wed, 15 July 2020, 01:35:14
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 20 July 2020, 18:48:50
Novelkeys will go live with their stock at noon tomorrow, so be sure to take a look if you're interested! Other vendors should follow suit soon, and we'll make the relevant announcements.
Also, on another note - it has come to our attention that DailyClack proceeded with their sales, and we failed to properly communicate that to you guys. That's our bad, and we'll do better next time. Thanks everyone!
Post by: mrpetrov on Mon, 20 July 2020, 20:52:18
Hi everyone!
Novelkeys will go live with their stock at noon tomorrow, so be sure to take a look if you're interested! Other vendors should follow suit soon, and we'll make the relevant announcements.
Also, on another note - it has come to our attention that DailyClack proceeded with their sales, and we failed to properly communicate that to you guys. That's our bad, and we'll do better next time. Thanks everyone!
oh noes! hobson's choice coming up - both these and silk switches coming online at noon est tomorrow on nk. no way we'll have time to get both into the shopping basket before they both sell out. i gotta somehow choose one as i can't risk missing both...
Post by: KaosJ on Tue, 21 July 2020, 04:32:03
Hi everyone!
Novelkeys will go live with their stock at noon tomorrow, so be sure to take a look if you're interested! Other vendors should follow suit soon, and we'll make the relevant announcements.
Also, on another note - it has come to our attention that DailyClack proceeded with their sales, and we failed to properly communicate that to you guys. That's our bad, and we'll do better next time. Thanks everyone!
Do you know any timing for mykeyboard?
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 21 July 2020, 11:24:30
Hobby must be on the decline.
Post by: ackzot on Tue, 21 July 2020, 11:51:13
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 21 July 2020, 12:11:45
or novelkeys ordered a ton. glad to grab h1 and dry.
I was joking.
Post by: ackzot on Tue, 21 July 2020, 13:14:32
or novelkeys ordered a ton. glad to grab h1 and dry.
I was joking.
don't you know? things are funnier when there is a straight man to play off.
anyways, h1 sold out now at novelkeys.
Post by: vi0till on Wed, 22 July 2020, 06:22:10
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 22 July 2020, 10:24:09
Any news one restock date for ilumkb?Not yet, this thread will be updated when we have those dates.
Post by: tobold on Thu, 23 July 2020, 12:42:21
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 23 July 2020, 13:05:08
Have I missed the mykeyboard.eu sale?
Has it actually happened?
Post by: alper_maestro on Fri, 24 July 2020, 07:07:45
Have I missed the mykeyboard.eu sale?
No.
Post by: TopreMoon on Thu, 30 July 2020, 18:10:07
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 30 July 2020, 21:18:47
For those watching, Apex Keyboards will be selling their H1 stock tomorrow morning. https://www.apexkeyboards.ca/collections/switches/products/h1switchesThanks for this! Was just about to make an annoucement.
Goes live at 1PM EST.
Post by: marshskitow on Fri, 31 July 2020, 01:59:26
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Post by: alper_maestro on Fri, 31 July 2020, 02:37:43
They said it would come last week.
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 31 July 2020, 09:14:43
Sorry guys, I put the incorrect time here. It is at 11AM EST, which is in just under an hour!For those watching, Apex Keyboards will be selling their H1 stock tomorrow morning. https://www.apexkeyboards.ca/collections/switches/products/h1switchesThanks for this! Was just about to make an annoucement.
Goes live at 1PM EST.
Post by: tobold on Fri, 31 July 2020, 09:21:03
Post by: bball2 on Fri, 31 July 2020, 10:01:38
Post by: minnus on Fri, 31 July 2020, 10:03:26
Post by: marshskitow on Fri, 31 July 2020, 13:19:07
Post by: tobold on Sat, 01 August 2020, 08:16:17
(https://i.imgur.com/sPBozR0.png)
Post by: alper_maestro on Sat, 01 August 2020, 16:28:21
For people not in the discord looking for a mykeyboard.eu update:That explains the delay, thanks for this information.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sPBozR0.png)
Post by: tobold on Fri, 07 August 2020, 03:40:09
(https://i.imgur.com/i31VJ7x.png)
Dunno why I'm the one updated the thread 😅
Post by: KaosJ on Fri, 07 August 2020, 04:37:37
new delay, now looking at the end of next week...Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/i31VJ7x.png)
Dunno why I'm the one updated the thread 😅
:thumb: :thumb: waiting for it
Post by: tobold on Fri, 14 August 2020, 09:14:23
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440448436412743680/743832980749025300/unknown.png)
Post by: chestera on Fri, 14 August 2020, 19:30:40
Post by: bball2 on Fri, 14 August 2020, 22:49:26
Really liking how smooth they are and the sound of them as they pop back up after being actuated. :thumb:
Post by: eniigma on Sat, 15 August 2020, 11:23:13
Post by: tobold on Mon, 24 August 2020, 06:49:18
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 28 August 2020, 08:40:31
iLumKB will be going live with the H1 switches on August 30th at 10AM SGT!
Be sure to join our Discord server (https://eniigmakeyboards.com/discord) to get these updates the quickest. Thanks everyone.
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 28 August 2020, 09:19:54
Hey guys - quick update.
iLumKB will be going live with the H1 switches on August 30th at 10AM SGT!
Be sure to join our Discord server (https://eniigmakeyboards.com/discord) to get these updates the quickest. Thanks everyone.
Nice, thanks for the heads up!
Post by: tobold on Sat, 29 August 2020, 14:15:15
(https://i.imgur.com/OVr3mfj.png)
Post by: alper_maestro on Sat, 29 August 2020, 16:33:04
Post by: tobold on Mon, 31 August 2020, 14:12:25
(https://i.imgur.com/37Cug1b.png)
It didn't work and some people got charged without orders going through.
(https://i.imgur.com/vkIPP0T.png)
Post by: tobold on Mon, 31 August 2020, 14:20:51
I managed to get some this time. Don't know what to say to people who didn't. Check discord?
Post by: tobold on Tue, 01 September 2020, 02:54:19
This is 14:00 CEST (GMT+2)
Here's a countdown to the release: https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/2156807/h1-release-mykeyboardeu
Here's a link to them, as they're very hard to find: https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/h1-switches-10-pack_2043/
Post by: marshskitow on Tue, 01 September 2020, 07:28:34
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Post by: tobold on Tue, 01 September 2020, 07:50:33
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Post by: marshskitow on Tue, 01 September 2020, 08:02:05
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Post by: marshskitow on Tue, 01 September 2020, 08:09:22
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Post by: tobold on Tue, 01 September 2020, 09:14:41
new timer: https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/2157352/h1-release-mykeyboardeu
link: https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/h1-switches-10-pack_2043/
I will stop updated this thread now.
Post by: marshskitow on Tue, 01 September 2020, 13:17:07
Thanks man. I didn’t see first they had update on discord.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Iu1Pnmb.png)
new timer: https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/2157352/h1-release-mykeyboardeu
link: https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/h1-switches-10-pack_2043/
I will stop updated this thread now.
I ordered some ty
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