Author Topic: Pandora 60% - Koob's premium universal case - 4.5lb RGB ANSI/ISO/WKL/HHKB (Read 52037 times)

Koobaczech · « **Reply #50 on:** Fri, 29 June 2018, 10:09:47 »

I've talked with Exclusive and he and I both understand the situation. This is simply an Interest Check. Pearl went through 3 revisions, its not the end of the world if something needs change. And even Pearl wasn't a unique design, it was a JD45 upgraded with what I wanted in it. My main interest isn't copying people or designs, its making a board I'm happy with. And there are many examples of boards that contribute design to themselves. Look at the Revo One, Duck Poker and Klippe. They are pretty much all the same. Ill be looking at what can be improved and changed, so that everyone including Exclusive is happy

Snappo · « **Reply #51 on:** Fri, 29 June 2018, 10:09:56 »

Quote from: excluisve on Fri, 29 June 2018, 10:05:56

Quote from: Snappo on Fri, 29 June 2018, 09:46:21
Quote from: excluisve on Fri, 29 June 2018, 09:35:17
Quote from: Snappo on Fri, 29 June 2018, 04:26:20
People seem more concerned about calling something a copy than they are trying to improve the design.

Does exclusive have a copyright on nameplates and middle pieces now?

As far as I see it, its different for exclusive himself to be upset. From others its just gatekeeping designs.

However, I think I would actually like it more without the middle piece and nameplate.

Yea I am not have copyright on nameplate and middle pieces

So it mean ppl can copy whatever they want as long as they have no copyright is it ?

That's not quite my point. I worded it poorly, sorry.

What I meant was because you did that with your board, does that mean other community members cannot have middle pieces and nameplates now?

If you feel this design is too close to yours, then I can understand that. Talk to koob about it.

As I've said, I'm in favour of removing the nameplate and middle piece. This should have differentiate the two boards more, and would look cleaner to me. Would this satisfy you excluisve?
This is not about make me satisfaction dont throw the topic on that

you're not the designer for the pandora, it's not your responsibility to make sure it does not copy other boards. koob should make his own unique design for 60% and not change it a minimal amount to stop complaints, the pearl was a unique design, no one could confuse it with another 40%
he should also make pandora a unique design

I never said it was my job, just that I was in favour of it.

Fair point about the rest tho.

Snappo · « **Reply #52 on:** Fri, 29 June 2018, 10:18:27 »

Quote from: Koobaczech on Fri, 29 June 2018, 10:09:47

I've talked with Exclusive and he and I both understand the situation. This is simply an Interest Check. Pearl went through 3 revisions, its not the end of the world if something needs change. And even Pearl wasn't a unique design, it was a JD45 upgraded with what I wanted in it. My main interest isn't copying people or designs, its making a board I'm happy with. And there are many examples of boards that contribute design to themselves. Look at the Revo One, Duck Poker and Klippe. They are pretty much all the same. Ill be looking at what can be improved and changed, so that everyone including Exclusive is happy

Looking forward to see what you come up with then.

Question, would there be an option to have the weight not pvd, like the pearls?

Koobaczech · « **Reply #53 on:** Fri, 29 June 2018, 10:41:32 »

Definitely man! PVD, cable routing, the nameplate, LED holes, these were all experiments to see how they came out, and see how the designs can expand. Now that I have a comparison, anything can be done. Thanks for all the contributions buddy!

cijanzen · « **Reply #54 on:** Fri, 29 June 2018, 11:07:48 »

Having touched the exposed pearl brass, I’d be all for PVD to avoid the staining that occurs from fingerprints.

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mangoes · « **Reply #55 on:** Fri, 29 June 2018, 13:40:59 »

I got to see this in person, and MAN OH MAN it's ****ing beautiful. I can't wait for everyone to get the same opportunity!

peggisan · « **Reply #56 on:** Fri, 29 June 2018, 13:57:38 »

Not a big fan of the nameplate, but I really love how the side of the case looks.

KorbenDallas · « **Reply #57 on:** Sat, 30 June 2018, 02:59:34 »

Color me excited! Really digging the options. If everything pans out I’d be down for one

mgsickler · « **Reply #58 on:** Sat, 30 June 2018, 05:31:44 »

Looks great Koob!

cijanzen · « **Reply #59 on:** Sat, 30 June 2018, 15:14:44 »

I really like that you’re going for universal 60% pcb support so we can use whatever we want without having to worry about buying extras out of fear of a failure. Also allows for any firmware. Good call!

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lordgiblite · « **Reply #60 on:** Sat, 30 June 2018, 15:46:04 »

Wow, looks like I'm a little late to the party since I'm in the process of moving and all that jazz (you know only 1 day late, but still)

Honestly love the look of this board! I love the design choices and extra little nuances that make it unique

Yes, it may look similar to an E6V2 but if you really look at them its just a "similar" design philosophy being the middle piece to do that (alright enough beating a dead horse)

I'm really looking forward to seeing what changes and revisions you make Koob! You know I'm in for one! (you know just let me save up okay?)

_haru · « **Reply #61 on:** Sun, 01 July 2018, 04:27:39 »

Really interested in this. Don't mind the midplate or nameplate but I don't mind them not being there either.

If I have cash when the GB starts, i'm super in.

dantambok · « **Reply #62 on:** Sun, 01 July 2018, 05:14:12 »

The sides look really nice. I could do with or without the nameplate as well! One thing i'm concerned about is that 400$ seems a bit.. high?

audax989 · « **Reply #63 on:** Sun, 01 July 2018, 08:30:36 »

looking good koob. will definitely have to save up to join this one.

Vigrith · « **Reply #64 on:** Sun, 01 July 2018, 09:01:14 »

Quote from: excluisve on Fri, 29 June 2018, 10:05:56

This is not about make me satisfaction dont throw the topic on that

you're not the designer for the pandora, it's not your responsibility to make sure it does not copy other boards. koob should make his own unique design for 60% and not change it a minimal amount to stop complaints, the pearl was a unique design, no one could confuse it with another 40%
he should also make pandora a unique design

Whilst I also think that middle pieces and nameplates on 60% boards shouldn't be out of bounds for other members of the community because of the E6, I absolutely agree with what's said here by Exclusive.

This isn't about him, this is about the Pandora and its design. It should satisfy Koob first and foremost and the community by association - not Exclusive. The Pearl is an incredibly distinctive board, so much so that I've considered buying one aftermarket (which is something I never do) even though I don't think I'd use a 40% much. This project can and should have the same potential for an end product as the Pearl did.

PS: I see the situation appears resolved, I'm glad.

fine_italian_leather · « **Reply #65 on:** Sun, 01 July 2018, 10:01:47 »

Quote from: Vigrith on Sun, 01 July 2018, 09:01:14

The Pearl is an incredibly distinctive board, so much so that I've considered buying one aftermarket (which is something I never do) even though I don't think I'd use a 40% much. This project can and should have the same potential for an end product as the Pearl did.

Agreed. The Pearl looks cute as heck, I too almost got one despite not really liking 40's.

I alluded to this in my earlier post but I personally was actually kind of hoping this board would stick closer to the design of the Pearl.

Duckunderscore · « **Reply #66 on:** Sun, 01 July 2018, 14:51:32 »

lemme buy a proto real quick C:

BobCarltheThird · « **Reply #67 on:** Sun, 01 July 2018, 17:41:46 »

Quote from: fine_italian_leather on Sun, 01 July 2018, 10:01:47

Quote from: Vigrith on Sun, 01 July 2018, 09:01:14

The Pearl is an incredibly distinctive board, so much so that I've considered buying one aftermarket (which is something I never do) even though I don't think I'd use a 40% much. This project can and should have the same potential for an end product as the Pearl did.

Agreed. The Pearl looks cute as heck, I too almost got one despite not really liking 40's.

I alluded to this in my earlier post but I personally was actually kind of hoping this board would stick closer to the design of the Pearl.

I love custom keyboards that weigh an absolute ton. the Pearl was awesome because there were next to no cutouts to save weight. I'm kind if disappointed that we aren't getting the same design in a larger footprint this time around.

odd · « **Reply #68 on:** Sun, 01 July 2018, 19:37:36 »

I missed the Pearl I'm not going to miss this

Starston3 · « **Reply #69 on:** Thu, 05 July 2018, 20:46:05 »

Pandora Pearl combo? plz

krey · « **Reply #70 on:** Fri, 06 July 2018, 00:54:07 »

yesssssssss, very happy to see this happening.

really like the design in general (especially indicator holes), but would like it better if the side bezels were a little bit beefier.

otanishock · « **Reply #71 on:** Fri, 06 July 2018, 01:34:00 »

Love love love LOVE this design. I'm all in for those light indicators and a slim bezel design. The fact that it could incorporate a universal PCB which allows split spacebar layour makes it a must buy for me. Have you ever considered allowing some space for battery placement for a bluetooth pcb?

MeloDet · « **Reply #72 on:** Fri, 06 July 2018, 12:59:16 »

Count me in as someone who would seriously like to see non universal plate options. It gets a little harder to justify at this price point imo.

otanishock · « **Reply #73 on:** Mon, 09 July 2018, 05:03:54 »

Really hope to see this coming into GB phase.

lac29 · « **Reply #74 on:** Mon, 09 July 2018, 09:20:36 »

I like this a lot too! Are most people planning on pairing this with a Zeal60 pcb?

cijanzen · « **Reply #75 on:** Mon, 09 July 2018, 09:23:15 »

Quote from: lac29 on Mon, 09 July 2018, 09:20:36

I like this a lot too! Are most people planning on pairing this with a Zeal60 pcb?

I would go with the DZ60. More layout options and the underglow is more important than RGB switch LEDs for me.

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Puddsy · « **Reply #76 on:** Mon, 09 July 2018, 20:32:28 »

Quote from: lac29 on Mon, 09 July 2018, 09:20:36

I like this a lot too! Are most people planning on pairing this with a Zeal60 pcb?

GH60 satan cause i'm weird

but i might not have cash to get one when the time comes so we'll see

olivia · « **Reply #77 on:** Mon, 09 July 2018, 22:43:53 »

I will probably use a HS60

satricion · « **Reply #78 on:** Tue, 10 July 2018, 00:53:50 »

I liked the pearl a lot but 40% is not for me so I would possibly be in on this. I think it looks great.

Yeoh · « **Reply #79 on:** Tue, 10 July 2018, 12:07:38 »

I can live with switchtop removal, but with a dedicated ANSI plate this would be an insta-buy for me.

gutsack · « **Reply #80 on:** Tue, 10 July 2018, 13:02:50 »

I feel like this IC got absolutely clobbered by the initial reaction about the design similarities and such and lost all momentum—any chance we could get an update about plans for it? Still super excited but curious about what might/might not change.

BobCarltheThird · « **Reply #81 on:** Tue, 10 July 2018, 18:15:57 »

Quote from: gutsack on Tue, 10 July 2018, 13:02:50

I feel like this IC got absolutely clobbered by the initial reaction about the design similarities and such and lost all momentum—any chance we could get an update about plans for it? Still super excited but curious about what might/might not change.

I think he went back to the drawing board after the huge push back from the community and Exclusive. Maybe we'll get an update on the new board design soon.

nu_types · « **Reply #82 on:** Thu, 12 July 2018, 20:58:41 »

I think having the mid piece and an acrylic layer is a bit much... perhaps a thick acrylic mid piece for those that want that? Anyway, I really like the direction you're heading with this!

cijanzen · « **Reply #83 on:** Thu, 12 July 2018, 21:00:57 »

Quote from: Iredeus on Thu, 12 July 2018, 20:58:41

I think having the mid piece and an acrylic layer is a bit much... perhaps a thick acrylic mid piece for those that want that? Anyway, I really like the direction you're heading with this!

I agree that it would be clean with just a simple top and bottom piece like the Pearl with the optional acrylic mid piece. Would simplify the design and bring it more in line with the Pearl design.

duckboi · « **Reply #84 on:** Fri, 13 July 2018, 07:50:30 »

Quote from: cijanzen on Thu, 12 July 2018, 21:00:57

Quote from: Iredeus on Thu, 12 July 2018, 20:58:41
I think having the mid piece and an acrylic layer is a bit much... perhaps a thick acrylic mid piece for those that want that? Anyway, I really like the direction you're heading with this!

I agree that it would be clean with just a simple top and bottom piece like the Pearl with the optional acrylic mid piece. Would simplify the design and bring it more in line with the Pearl design.

To be fair Koob has said that he does not want to just make a "60% Pearl." He's pushing for something a bit different, and I personally really like the way he's going.

cijanzen · « **Reply #85 on:** Fri, 13 July 2018, 07:53:42 »

Quote from: duckboi on Fri, 13 July 2018, 07:50:30

Quote from: cijanzen on Thu, 12 July 2018, 21:00:57
Quote from: Iredeus on Thu, 12 July 2018, 20:58:41
I think having the mid piece and an acrylic layer is a bit much... perhaps a thick acrylic mid piece for those that want that? Anyway, I really like the direction you're heading with this!

I agree that it would be clean with just a simple top and bottom piece like the Pearl with the optional acrylic mid piece. Would simplify the design and bring it more in line with the Pearl design.

To be fair Koob has said that he does not want to just make a "60% Pearl." He's pushing for something a bit different, and I personally really like the way he's going.

I also like the design as is or at least in the direction it’s going. I suppose my feedback would only be relevant if there was a goal of more consistency between the two designs.

Muiju · « **Reply #86 on:** Sat, 14 July 2018, 01:42:54 »

Take my money

Snappo · « **Reply #87 on:** Thu, 26 July 2018, 15:29:40 »

Quote from: Yeoh on Tue, 10 July 2018, 12:07:38

I can live with switchtop removal, but with a dedicated ANSI plate this would be an insta-buy for me.

^^^^

ItsAllen · « **Reply #88 on:** Thu, 26 July 2018, 23:25:27 »

+1 for Florida! Woohoo! This thing looks awesome!

Jkush463 · « **Reply #89 on:** Sun, 29 July 2018, 11:30:23 »

want for sure this looks beautiful.

petamva · « **Reply #90 on:** Sun, 29 July 2018, 15:32:31 »

This looks cool. Definitely in!

lasernasaur · « **Reply #91 on:** Fri, 03 August 2018, 23:22:05 »

Already have money on the side for this! So excited!

kmba · « **Reply #92 on:** Sat, 04 August 2018, 07:49:46 »

Ditch the name plate. That will differentiate it enough.

DJSwayde · « **Reply #93 on:** Sat, 04 August 2018, 16:12:02 »

I would personally want no nameplate and sharper corners.

ideus · « **Reply #94 on:** Sat, 04 August 2018, 16:48:47 »

Quote from: xondat on Thu, 28 June 2018, 13:24:35

Honestly, it looks like a E6-V2 clone with some personal touches. The roundness, nameplate, and mid piece together make it look too close to be respectable.

There are a lot of other design choices that I won't comment on, since I don't think they really matter in retrospect. I can see a lot changing from now to group buy

But wait. It will be "fairly" priced "just" under four hundred bucks!

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mr scooty · « **Reply #95 on:** Mon, 06 August 2018, 13:15:20 »

stoked for this

bard · « **Reply #96 on:** Mon, 06 August 2018, 14:04:46 »

any chance for MAO or white color?

sythie · « **Reply #97 on:** Tue, 07 August 2018, 15:54:55 »

Love the sunken keycaps with the rounded edges!
Are you planning on offering that black middle part in different colors aswell and is it aluminum?

Are you set on the aluminum type for the case? Or I would suggest checking aluminum 7075.
I haven't tried it myself but I have seen multiple cases now using it for its more durable properties and would I very much like to try it out.
The latest Southpaw GB offered cases in both aluminum 6061 and 7075 even.

Quote from: DJSwayde on Sat, 04 August 2018, 16:12:02

I would personally want no nameplate and sharper corners.

I second this although I like the soft corners of the inside of the case but not the corners outside of the case.

petamva · « **Reply #98 on:** Wed, 08 August 2018, 06:22:17 »

Everytime i check out geekhack i stop by this ic just to take a look at your keeb... Looks awesome man! Definitely in for one! Keep us updated!

Zilleon · « **Reply #99 on:** Wed, 08 August 2018, 08:30:57 »

I absolutely love it. I'm in if it happens.

Since you mentioned being subject to change, a ortholinear plate would be amazing and unique (would be the only premium top mount ortholinear ever seen wouldn't it?)

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Author Topic: Pandora 60% - Koob's premium universal case - 4.5lb RGB ANSI/ISO/WKL/HHKB (Read 52037 times)