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Are the vintage windows logo and the menu keys all doubleshots?
Would be a dream come true if GMK finally made these available in doubleshot.
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Is this the final render?
Are the vintage windows logo and the menu keys all doubleshots?
Would be a dream come true if GMK finally made these available in doubleshot.
Nice :)
Are the vintage windows logo and the menu keys all doubleshots?
Would be a dream come true if GMK finally made these available in doubleshot.
They're pad-printed, I asked GMK if they could be doubleshot and they said "The win and menu legends have too much fine detail and are therefore not suitable for the doubleshot process". I'll ask again to see if anything has changed.
Are the vintage windows logo and the menu keys all doubleshots?
Would be a dream come true if GMK finally made these available in doubleshot.
They're pad-printed, I asked GMK if they could be doubleshot and they said "The win and menu legends have too much fine detail and are therefore not suitable for the doubleshot process". I'll ask again to see if anything has changed.
Does this mean I can simply sandpaper the legends out? Or anyone can recommend the best method of removing the legends? I will probably need additional 2 blanks for my custom keyboard.
Originative: 30/125
Magenta: 25/125
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wow, that is not many orders. very surprised at this
wow, that is not many orders. very surprised at this
One thing I wanted to suggest, but would sherryton not want to put GMK in the groupbuy page? It says Originative and then Originative again when you click on the link https://www.originativeco.com/products/originative
I don't know if this is something sherryton wants to change, but if you put GMK then Originative people may be more assured this is a GMK set and not a set from another supplier? Plus a bigger more defined ORDER HERE link at the very beginning of the thread would help?
wow, that is not many orders. very surprised at this
One thing I wanted to suggest, but would sherryton not want to put GMK in the groupbuy page? It says Originative and then Originative again when you click on the link https://www.originativeco.com/products/originative
I don't know if this is something sherryton wants to change, but if you put GMK then Originative people may be more assured this is a GMK set and not a set from another supplier? Plus a bigger more defined ORDER HERE link at the very beginning of the thread would help?
wow, that is not many orders. very surprised at this
One thing I wanted to suggest, but would sherryton not want to put GMK in the groupbuy page? It says Originative and then Originative again when you click on the link https://www.originativeco.com/products/originative
I don't know if this is something sherryton wants to change, but if you put GMK then Originative people may be more assured this is a GMK set and not a set from another supplier? Plus a bigger more defined ORDER HERE link at the very beginning of the thread would help?
Originative is the name of the vendor and also the name of the keyset. If you read the description on the store page, it clearly says this set is manufactured by GMK
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Chears.
effectiveduck, sherryton, have you thought about promoting this GB on Deskthority? As a community they seem to be more into the classic colour schemes.
How are we doing? The absence of activity in the thread has me worried. I need this set!
How are we doing? The absence of activity in the thread has me worried. I need this set!
We're not doing too well, last I heard we were at 32/28 orders, and we'll need a minimum of ~75 for the set to be made. So we'll need a strong final push or a considerable order from China to succeed.
How are we doing? The absence of activity in the thread has me worried. I need this set!
We're not doing too well, last I heard we were at 32/28 orders, and we'll need a minimum of ~75 for the set to be made. So we'll need a strong final push or a considerable order from China to succeed.
I've seen many sets take off in the final week. I hope that this will follow the same path. A similar thing has happened to the gmk stormtrooper set.
How are we doing? The absence of activity in the thread has me worried. I need this set!
We're not doing too well, last I heard we were at 32/28 orders, and we'll need a minimum of ~75 for the set to be made. So we'll need a strong final push or a considerable order from China to succeed.
How are we doing? The absence of activity in the thread has me worried. I need this set!
We're not doing too well, last I heard we were at 32/28 orders, and we'll need a minimum of ~75 for the set to be made. So we'll need a strong final push or a considerable order from China to succeed.
I've seen many sets take off in the final week. I hope that this will follow the same path. A similar thing has happened to the gmk stormtrooper set.
I really hope so, but it might be difficult with everything that's coming out soon
I agree. Here is hoping for the best I just hope the GB is open long enough for me to grab one. I guess this is one benefit of getting paid weekly.How are we doing? The absence of activity in the thread has me worried. I need this set!
We're not doing too well, last I heard we were at 32/28 orders, and we'll need a minimum of ~75 for the set to be made. So we'll need a strong final push or a considerable order from China to succeed.
I've seen many sets take off in the final week. I hope that this will follow the same path. A similar thing has happened to the gmk stormtrooper set.
I really hope so, but it might be difficult with everything that's coming out soon
It is not the best timing for my keyboard hobby budget; but, I hope to be able to set an order before the deadline, more importantly, I really hope the set reaches MoQ to be made, it is a shame a nice set like this at a great price does not make it.
Hey guys,
I'm here to make an update on the Originative set.
So far it's not that great. We're at 36/150 for Originative set and 28/150 for the Magenta Mod set.
If the Chinese Group Buy can double the numbers, then I'll make sure we get this through.
Hey guys,
I'm here to make an update on the Originative set.
So far it's not that great. We're at 36/150 for Originative set and 28/150 for the Magenta Mod set.
If the Chinese Group Buy can double the numbers, then I'll make sure we get this through.
How are not more people buying this!? Or do they already have a WoB set? I might be able to purchase a second set to help out.
I just want to confirm before I join in that the 'F' and 'J' keys do have the nubs on them correct? I believe it does say so in the OP but it looks like the render hasn't been updated yet.
Orders have been picking up in the last few days and we're up to 47/35 now, we're getting closer but we're not there yet. Thanks to everyone for the support! I'm sure we can make this set a success! ;DWoo! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
We're still at ~47 sets with roughly a week left to order, if you've been thinking about picking up a set nows the time! We need to sell ~75 for this set to be made. We can do it!
2.25u Shift, R4 1u Alt, R4 1u Ctrl, R4 1u Menu, and R5 1u Menu keys addedThose MOQ250 keys would be in addition to the current render, right?
Quote2.25u Shift, R4 1u Alt, R4 1u Ctrl, R4 1u Menu, and R5 1u Menu keys addedThose MOQ250 keys would be in addition to the current render, right?
54/150
I think the Magenta is very unlikely. 36/150
We may do a small Esc+Enter pack. The Chinese Vendor hasn't made their order yet, and if we can expect 15+, then i would say this Group Buy is good to go. We should expect it within this week.
Shame about this set, it should make it... Right?
It's come at a bad time when the market is flooded, reminds me of GMK SNES.
Shame about this set, it should make it... Right?
It's come at a bad time when the market is flooded, reminds me of GMK SNES.
Shame about this set, it should make it... Right?
It's come at a bad time when the market is flooded, reminds me of GMK SNES.
just so i understand this correctly - Originative is going to pay for MOQ on the base set, and ship out to people who ordered. The remaining sets will be stocked on Originative?
and there are not enough orders of the mod kit for Originative to make the MOQ purchase on those?
Will this happen? I would like to order this one... I can't order at the same time 3 sets that may or may not happen :-)What's holding you back? This is why it's failing, everyone is waiting for it to drop. You cried for bars and they added them, no?
Will this happen? I would like to order this one... I can't order at the same time 3 sets that may or may not happen :-)What's holding you back? This is why it's failing, everyone is waiting for it to drop. You cried for bars and they added them, no?
Simply that if this doesn't happen, I need to order another one (there are two actually). But if this and the other one all happen, I will have to pay for three sets...
Note for future GBs: when Giorgio cries for bars, don't add them. He's not going to purchase anyway. :confused: :rolleyes:Will this happen? I would like to order this one... I can't order at the same time 3 sets that may or may not happen :-)What's holding you back? This is why it's failing, everyone is waiting for it to drop. You cried for bars and they added them, no?
Will this happen? I would like to order this one... I can't order at the same time 3 sets that may or may not happen :-)What's holding you back? This is why it's failing, everyone is waiting for it to drop. You cried for bars and they added them, no?
Simply that if this doesn't happen, I need to order another one (there are two actually). But if this and the other one all happen, I will have to pay for three sets...
Looks like both sets might actually happen right now.
Thanks for everyone putting in their orders.
59/150 ORIGINATIVE
44/150 Magenta Mods
I'll most likely be pushing the group buys. I'll try to put in an order tonight.
Looks like both sets might actually happen right now.
Thanks for everyone putting in their orders.
59/150 ORIGINATIVE
44/150 Magenta Mods
I'll most likely be pushing the group buys. I'll try to put in an order tonight.
Is there a way to add an 7u spacebar to the base set? Looking at the base set, I can see it can cater 2 winkeyless if there was an extra spacebar.
Is there a way to add an 7u spacebar to the base set? Looking at the base set, I can see it can cater 2 winkeyless if there was an extra spacebar.Originative sells black GMK spacebars if you wanted to have an extra. (https://www.originativeco.com/products/gmk-spacebars-6-25-7?variant=11185411141) I think it is a bit too late to add keys, but maybe not :-X
Yeah, but leaves the other WKL bottom spacebarless. :) I was hoping I could find an incomplete WOB in the future.Is there a way to add an 7u spacebar to the base set? Looking at the base set, I can see it can cater 2 winkeyless if there was an extra spacebar.
There is a 7u space bar in the base set.
Thanks, never saw that. But including it on a GB is a cheaper option. :)Is there a way to add an 7u spacebar to the base set? Looking at the base set, I can see it can cater 2 winkeyless if there was an extra spacebar.Originative sells black GMK spacebars if you wanted to have an extra. (https://www.originativeco.com/products/gmk-spacebars-6-25-7?variant=11185411141) I think it is a bit too late to add keys, but maybe not :-X
Last day to order, is this going to make it?
With all the GBs this month, sorry I had to miss this one. Will be picking this one up in the aftermarket. Would have loved to support! :thumb:
Oh no.
Look like I missed this.
Is it too late to join this?
It's still Sep 30 here in Canada though. :))
With all the GBs this month, sorry I had to miss this one. Will be picking this one up in the aftermarket. Would have loved to support! :thumb:
Oh no.
Look like I missed this.
Is it too late to join this?
It's still Sep 30 here in Canada though. :))
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With about an hour or so to go I can confirm 100% that we got enough orders to have these sets made! ;D
The price will go up to pre-order price shortly but if your quick you might be able to snag one at group buy price.
Thank you to everyone for there support and a huge thank you to sherryton and the folks over at Orignative for making this happen!
Will this happen? I would like to order this one... I can't order at the same time 3 sets that may or may not happen :-)What's holding you back? This is why it's failing, everyone is waiting for it to drop. You cried for bars and they added them, no?
Simply that if this doesn't happen, I need to order another one (there are two actually). But if this and the other one all happen, I will have to pay for three sets...
For the level of fuss you kicked up in the IC, you haven't even entered the group buy? You should be ashamed of yourself.
He made that comment before you entered the buyWill this happen? I would like to order this one... I can't order at the same time 3 sets that may or may not happen :-)What's holding you back? This is why it's failing, everyone is waiting for it to drop. You cried for bars and they added them, no?
Simply that if this doesn't happen, I need to order another one (there are two actually). But if this and the other one all happen, I will have to pay for three sets...
For the level of fuss you kicked up in the IC, you haven't even entered the group buy? You should be ashamed of yourself.
you... you should be ashamed of yourself. I did enter the gb.
He made that comment before you entered the buyWill this happen? I would like to order this one... I can't order at the same time 3 sets that may or may not happen :-)What's holding you back? This is why it's failing, everyone is waiting for it to drop. You cried for bars and they added them, no?
Simply that if this doesn't happen, I need to order another one (there are two actually). But if this and the other one all happen, I will have to pay for three sets...
For the level of fuss you kicked up in the IC, you haven't even entered the group buy? You should be ashamed of yourself.
you... you should be ashamed of yourself. I did enter the gb.
So what:confused:
Really glad this is happening! I plan on combining the WoB, Ceresia, HKP Maroon/Black blanks and one imperial rouge cavalier into the greatest red/black set ever!.
Really glad this is happening! I plan on combining the WoB, Ceresia, HKP Maroon/Black blanks and one imperial rouge cavalier into the greatest red/black set ever!.
Really glad this is happening! I plan on combining the WoB, Ceresia, HKP Maroon/Black blanks and one imperial rouge cavalier into the greatest red/black set ever!.
One of the reasons we pushed this set was to help Ceresia match something. I'm excited for the Ceresia + WoB combo as well.
Really glad this is happening! I plan on combining the WoB, Ceresia, HKP Maroon/Black blanks and one imperial rouge cavalier into the greatest red/black set ever!.
One of the reasons we pushed this set was to help Ceresia match something. I'm excited for the Ceresia + WoB combo as well.
ayyy, any news on ceresia shipping date? i'm waiting on that to get my skeletor order also. thanks!
Update: GMK had a holiday on Monday. We were able to send the payment today.
Should expect product around end of December towards early January.
I totally forgot to put in my order. Gonna buy it when it's available later :D
Any ETA updates? Is this still on track for a mid-January delivery date?
I saw post late ....great joke bro :thumb: :thumb:
Can I participate GMK Originative group buy?
originative site $169, very expensive.....
Can I purchase at a group buy purchase $115 price?
send pm please... wait for answer.
I saw post late ....
Can I participate GMK Originative group buy?
originative site $169, very expensive.....
Can I purchase at a group buy purchase $115 price?
send pm please... wait for answer.
if anyone willing to part their 1800 kit, i'm willing to buy it at decent price. please drop me a pm :thumb:
we're on schedule so it shouldn't be long now :thumb:
Sorry everyone, been a bit MIA in recent weeks. There's not much news to report really, we're on schedule so it shouldn't be long now :thumb:
The items just arrived! Will work on shipping these asap :)
Another sad story...
I guess because of the chaotic season, it had a huge impact on our shipping. Our shipment got stuck at the warehouse airport, and the pallet was lost for 2 days. It finally arrived to us this morning.
The items just arrived! Will work on shipping these asap :)
Another sad story...
I guess because of the chaotic season, it had a huge impact on our shipping. Our shipment got stuck at the warehouse airport, and the pallet was lost for 2 days. It finally arrived to us this morning.
The items just arrived! Will work on shipping these asap :)
Another sad story...
I guess because of the chaotic season, it had a huge impact on our shipping. Our shipment got stuck at the warehouse airport, and the pallet was lost for 2 days. It finally arrived to us this morning.
The items just arrived! Will work on shipping these asap :)
Another sad story...
I guess because of the chaotic season, it had a huge impact on our shipping. Our shipment got stuck at the warehouse airport, and the pallet was lost for 2 days. It finally arrived to us this morning.
Will there be any extra mod sets available?
if anyone willing to part their 1800 kit, i'm willing to buy it at decent price. please drop me a pm :thumb:
The items just arrived! Will work on shipping these asap :)
Another sad story...
I guess because of the chaotic season, it had a huge impact on our shipping. Our shipment got stuck at the warehouse airport, and the pallet was lost for 2 days. It finally arrived to us this morning.
Will there be any extra mod sets available?
What's the dealio here? Are they really sold out on O.Co? Was in the GB but dropped out but now regret every decision I've made in my life.
Thanks for the email! We're working on putting them up and they should go up soon. Be sure to sign up for our newsletter so you don't miss it!
There's a decent overlap between reddit and here but I wanted to show off the BBv2 again. It's gorgeous.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NDNHhN5.jpg)
Thanks again to Sheraton and effectiveduck, super stoked for the raffle win.
Yep, here's a short and sweet build log (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5lov5h/a_new_red_scarf_ii_for_a_new_year/) with the set. Loving it so far.
Got a shipment notification for these! Woop woop!Same!
NEVER LUCKY FOR GIVE AWAY SINCE 1993!
NEVER LUCKY FOR GIVE AWAY SINCE 1993!
Please. I've been trying seven years longer than you have.
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GMK Originative w/ HKP Red Blanks -- Just got it couldn't help throw them on!!! :thumb:
many thanks ;)
I love this set. I have been waiting for a good WOB set forever.
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I love this set. I have been waiting for a good WOB set forever.
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Received today... damn sexy set!! Really love the magenta mods. Will post a pic when I decide/ build the board that deserves these babies! Thanks much effectiveduck and Sherryton.
Got my order yesterday, really nice that gmk has a smaller tray for the magenta mods :thumb:
Got my order yesterday, really nice that gmk has a smaller tray for the magenta mods :thumb:
This small tray was not mentioned in the product description on the Originative website. Do orders for WoB without tray still get the small one for the Magenta mods?
Has anyone in Canada received their sets?
Disregard my last post. I just got a shipping notification :DHas anyone in Canada received their sets?
You were like one of the last orders. After today, all Originative orders should have been shipped!
Disregard my last post. I just got a shipping notification :DHas anyone in Canada received their sets?
You were like one of the last orders. After today, all Originative orders should have been shipped!
Disregard my last post. I just got a shipping notification :DHas anyone in Canada received their sets?
You were like one of the last orders. After today, all Originative orders should have been shipped!
Do you have any extras at this point?
Mine arrived in the UK.. waiting for customs clearance :(
Got my shipping notice this morning. Thanks :thumb:
Disregard my last post. I just got a shipping notification :DHas anyone in Canada received their sets?
You were like one of the last orders. After today, all Originative orders should have been shipped!
Do you have any extras at this point?
Yes, we do! We have a few releases to announce this week, so it's going to get REAL busy at Originative. Stay Tuned ...
Disregard my last post. I just got a shipping notification :DHas anyone in Canada received their sets?
You were like one of the last orders. After today, all Originative orders should have been shipped!
Do you have any extras at this point?
Yes, we do! We have a few releases to announce this week, so it's going to get REAL busy at Originative. Stay Tuned ...
Thanks! And congrats on all the releases! You HAVE been busy! :thumb:
Received today, looks great! The box arrived a little beat up, but the packaging was great (my first trays - those are awesome!) so nothing was even close to damaged. Thanks for a well executed GB!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VpzIorn.jpg)
Colors aren't very accurate due to lack of natural light and my inability to correct crappy lighting...
Got my set! Thanks, Sheraton! Packing was great and beautiful products :)).
Got my set today! I'm at work so haven't had a chance to actually open it yet :blank:
Hi,
Mine too. Since January 4 :(Hi,
my order is now "Pre-Shipment Info Sent to USPS, USPS Awaiting Item"
should I worried about it? it has shipped out since January 6.
Hi,
my order is now "Pre-Shipment Info Sent to USPS, USPS Awaiting Item"
should I worried about it? it has shipped out since January 6.
Mine too. Since January 4 :(Hi,
my order is now "Pre-Shipment Info Sent to USPS, USPS Awaiting Item"
should I worried about it? it has shipped out since January 6.
This set is way better than pictures make it seem (looks amazing in person). Going to be sad to get it all shiny!
Paired up with TX-CPs along with Hyperfuse R2.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CsEzHIh.jpg)
Received today, looks great! The box arrived a little beat up, but the packaging was great (my first trays - those are awesome!) so nothing was even close to damaged. Thanks for a well executed GB!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/W1kvOxR.jpg)
PM me your guy's order number. I'll have that taken care of.
Received today, looks great! The box arrived a little beat up, but the packaging was great (my first trays - those are awesome!) so nothing was even close to damaged. Thanks for a well executed GB!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/W1kvOxR.jpg)
This set is way better than pictures make it seem (looks amazing in person). Going to be sad to get it all shiny!
Paired up with TX-CPs along with Hyperfuse R2.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CsEzHIh.jpg)
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That is absolutely beautiful.
I'm curious to see more magenta mods pics. So far people seem to be using them sparingly...
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That is absolutely beautiful.
but he cheated! (jk) :)
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Anyone want to sell the BoW set? I regret a lot ; _ ;
Anyone want to sell the BoW set? I regret a lot ; _ ;
It's available here
https://www.originativeco.com/
Anyone want to sell the BoW set? I regret a lot ; _ ;
It's available here
https://www.originativeco.com/
I could swear it was sold out like 30 minutes ago
Anyone want to sell the BoW set? I regret a lot ; _ ;
It's available here
https://www.originativeco.com/
I could swear it was sold out like 30 minutes ago
yea I thought so too..
Anyone want to sell the BoW set? I regret a lot ; _ ;
It's available here
https://www.originativeco.com/
I could swear it was sold out like 30 minutes ago
Anyone want to sell the BoW set? I regret a lot ; _ ;
It's available here
https://www.originativeco.com/
I could swear it was sold out like 30 minutes ago
They took the set off the site just before the holidays (perhaps to wait for stock). Now that the sets have arrived, it seems both magenta mods and WoB set is back on sale.
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work keyboard ---- level = expert :))
Hey if anyone isn't using the hhkb backspace and stepped control from their set, I will happily buy them for a decent hunk of cash ;)
Is there a stepped control?Hey if anyone isn't using the hhkb backspace and stepped control from their set, I will happily buy them for a decent hunk of cash ;)
Also, as a reminder, if that hunk of cash is super decent, you might also get the entire set: https://www.originativeco.com/products/originative?variant=20134490245
Or maybe just buy the set, get the keycaps you need + resell
I just finished my Infinity 60% build. Originative's WOB is amazing. So glad they included the extra barred f and j keys.
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I just finished my Infinity 60% build. Originative's WOB is amazing. So glad they included the extra barred f and j keys.
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I just finished my Infinity 60% build. Originative's WOB is amazing. So glad they included the extra barred f and j keys.
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Looks great!
A Green Esc/Enter would look great in there ;)
Still looking to buy/trade for the arrow style 1.5u backspace from GMK Originative. I have the 1.5u backspace from the WoB Icon Mod Kit and am willing to pay a substantial amount for it.
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What set are those Mods from? i don't see them on OC.com
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What set are those Mods from? i don't see them on OC.com
I love this set. I have been waiting for a good WOB set forever.
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I just finished my Infinity 60% build. Originative's WOB is amazing. So glad they included the extra barred f and j keys.
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Fantastic! It sure seems so. Only bad thing: "An updated render will be made as we are changing the Windows and Menu key to a more modern finish."
Just opened my kits after many months in storage
I was pleasantly suprised to see 1.25 pad-printed Windows keys, they could make awesome 1.25 blanks when sanded down :)
Overall, awesome kits (the Magenta one was garbled inside it's package, the WoB packaging survived : )
Just opened my kits after many months in storage
I was pleasantly suprised to see 1.25 pad-printed Windows keys, they could make awesome 1.25 blanks when sanded down :)
Overall, awesome kits (the Magenta one was garbled inside it's package, the WoB packaging survived : )
70% iso is better than sanding