Approved :D
Great price! Could you take photos with Cherry profile caps on?
Would the plate and pcb from this board work with the TIME tkl?
Is it possible to get one without the leaf name imprinted on the top?
are there any pictures of the PCB? is mx and alps pcb the same? i dont see any distinction being made on the order page
What color is the plate/insert in the yellow prototype you have? I thought it was silver or grey but neither of those are options.
are extra aluminum plates sold out already?? :eek:
are extra aluminum plates sold out already?? :eek:
would the plate from the leaf80 fit inside a TIME TKL? I'm thinking about taking this opportunity to upgrade my TIME TKL plate to brass.
Hm, thinking about making this my first alu custom Alps build... Now to hunt for keycaps!
What is the programming for the PCB like? QMK? BMC?
Is the normal weight silver for all colours? Would have been nice to have it green by default
Very nice to see a good custom kit without 8+degree angles! I love smaller angles (<5 ideally) and you guys are one of the few designers that make this type of keyboard.
The corners are a bit too rounded for my liking, but besides that it's a unique and beautiful design. Good luck with the gb.
Can we order it without the leaf writing engraving? D:
Can we order it without the leaf writing engraving? D:
Is it possible to get one without the leaf name imprinted on the top?
Can we order it without the leaf writing engraving? D:
+1
snagged a yellow, is there a limited number or before this ends will i be able to snag another?
A bit of a stretch, but any chance for a ANSI only plate? :p
Just a bit tired of having a wonky pipe key haha.
Senter, I notice that there isn't an option for an WK Alps kit. If I ordered the Winkey MX kit + extra Alps plate, would that offer WK Alps support?
glad the gb is finally started, now to just decide what color i want........man, this decision may take the whole gb period :))
As several people asked, I decided to make a small batch of leaf 80 without the "leaf" engraving on the top case.
Please PM me with your order # and screenshot if you want to remove the engraving.
Will the brass have some kind of coating to protect it from getting a patina?
And is it possible to get a different color plate and insert color?
Any idea on how much shipping would be to USA? Would like to get an idea before I commit to purchasing.
Also any word on the pcb colour?
No option to select raw or bead-blast brass parts?
Senter, I notice that there isn't an option for an WK Alps kit. If I ordered the Winkey MX kit + extra Alps plate, would that offer WK Alps support?
The PCB was designed to support ALPS + WKL only. If you have some nice WK ALPS caps, I would suggest you to drill holes on the PCB and do the wiring. It requires some skills but it's feasible. I did it once. I can help you to change the case layout to WK if you want to do it. I can't guarantee it will work tho.
Is it possible to order the weight a different color from the plate?
I would love a white one, black plate, gold (yellow) weight.
Will the brass have some kind of coating to protect it from getting a patina?
And is it possible to get a different color plate and insert color?
no coating and not possible
Is it possible to order the weight a different color from the plate?
I would love a white one, black plate, gold (yellow) weight.
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5NyCjC6.jpg)
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5NyCjC6.jpg)
Can we see some red samples?
Is it compatible with Time tkl PCB?
Thats so white, wow. How durable is ecoating?
Is there no option for gradient plate?
can we get a few shots of the weight? the shot of the green proto makes it seem like the weight may have a variable depth to it.Just noticed that after you pointed it out, looks like something similar to the tkl no. 1 except that it is not also part of the plate or an outside accent to the board.
can we get a few shots of the weight? the shot of the green proto makes it seem like the weight may have a variable depth to it.
Red prototype is finished as well
Hi, Senter.
Is this the same color of TIME TKL's Opera Red?
Great price! Could you take photos with Cherry profile caps on?
Will update photos in OP
No pink? Figured it was going to be an option given it was in the IC renders.I suspect that was a play at a pastel red.
Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5NyCjC6.jpg)
Wow that's like actual white unlike the greyish color that MAO is closer to. Sign me up Senter.
Yep, e-coating on the left, MAO on the right.Any pictures of MAO white vs ecoating white?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5NyCjC6.jpg)
Wow that's like actual white unlike the greyish color that MAO is closer to. Sign me up Senter.
Which one is which? Is the one on the left the ecoating?
Hi, Senter.
Is this the same color of TIME TKL's Opera Red?
Not exactly the same color but close.
The blasting media used on Leaf will be finer to achieve a smoother finish. The finish also affects the color.
Great price! Could you take photos with Cherry profile caps on?
Will update photos in OP
Could you add these? I want to see how deep the caps sit before I purchase.
Does the pcb support north facing or south facing leds?
Could you also provide specs on the PCB (wondering if I can install hotswap sockets).
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Switch-LED-hot-swap-32pcs-for-mechanical-keyboard-DIY-keyboard/32827918016.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.22.19293393pjTE0u&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_10152_10151_10065_10344_10068_10130_10342_10547_10343_10546_10340_10548_10341_315_10545_10696_531_10084_10083_10618_10307_5013515_5013615_10059_5013715_100031_10103_10624_10623_10622_10621_10620_5013815,searchweb201603_51,ppcSwitch_4&algo_expid=e6bcaf50-b0e2-4300-9101-8a5c32250bb3-3&algo_pvid=e6bcaf50-b0e2-4300-9101-8a5c32250bb3&priceBeautifyAB=0
Is the plate/pcb compatible with other TKLs? I'd love to pick up an extra alps plate and pcb for my Mira or KE80.
Is the plate/pcb compatible with other TKLs? I'd love to pick up an extra alps plate and pcb for my Mira or KE80.
I don't have the dimensions of other TKLs. I can share the dimension files for both plate and pcb if you need.
Is the plate/pcb compatible with other TKLs? I'd love to pick up an extra alps plate and pcb for my Mira or KE80.
I don't have the dimensions of other TKLs. I can share the dimension files for both plate and pcb if you need.
Could you post the dimensions of the plate and PCB?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XRDk30l.png)
The plate I have right now is 129.5mm x 351.5mm
I am unfamiliar but would it also fit a TX keyboard?Is the plate/pcb compatible with other TKLs? I'd love to pick up an extra alps plate and pcb for my Mira or KE80.
I don't have the dimensions of other TKLs. I can share the dimension files for both plate and pcb if you need.
Could you post the dimensions of the plate and PCB?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XRDk30l.png)
The plate I have right now is 129.5mm x 351.5mm
If this PCB is the same size as the Time TKL one it will fit almost any common TKL, the Time TKL PCB fits the LZ CLS
If this PCB is the same size as the Time TKL one it will fit almost any common TKL, the Time TKL PCB fits the LZ CLSI am unfamiliar but would it also fit a TX keyboard?
Is the plate/pcb compatible with other TKLs? I'd love to pick up an extra alps plate and pcb for my Mira or KE80.
I don't have the dimensions of other TKLs. I can share the dimension files for both plate and pcb if you need.
Could you post the dimensions of the plate and PCB?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XRDk30l.png)
The plate I have right now is 129.5mm x 351.5mm
Okay I really want the yellow but I can't figure out which caps would work with it besides Godspeed (which I don't have). If you're getting yellow what are you pairing it with?
I've got:
GMK Terminal (R2 soon)
GMK Plum
GMK Laser
GMK Coniferous
GMK Metaverse (in gb)
SA Pulse (recent MD gb)
SA Carbon
Okay I really want the yellow but I can't figure out which caps would work with it besides Godspeed (which I don't have). If you're getting yellow what are you pairing it with?
I've got:
GMK Terminal (R2 soon)
GMK Plum
GMK Laser
GMK Coniferous
GMK Metaverse (in gb)
SA Pulse (recent MD gb)
SA Carbon
yeah, i have similar thoughts on picking ecoat white. at least with white you can play off the white a particular set may have. with the yellow you have to rely more on softer color keysets. for example, i think dsa/jtk hana would go well with this. sa by the sea, sa bubbles. sa grand budapest. a lot of the more popular sets, many of which you have, tend to skew towards looking better on darker keyboards.
Plum probably is your best bet since it works well with Gold case.
Other sets (they are nice~), I'm not that keen on.
Classic beige (9009, etc.) works well with pretty much everything.
yeah, i have similar thoughts on picking ecoat white. at least with white you can play off the white a particular set may have. with the yellow you have to rely more on softer color keysets. for example, i think dsa/jtk hana would go well with this. sa by the sea, sa bubbles. sa grand budapest. a lot of the more popular sets, many of which you have, tend to skew towards looking better on darker keyboards.Plum probably is your best bet since it works well with Gold case.
Other sets (they are nice~), I'm not that keen on.
Classic beige (9009, etc.) works well with pretty much everything.
Yeah I think I might reconsider the yellow one then. Ideally I don't want to be stuck using a few keysets. Thanks for the input!
For matching keysets with the yellow case you could probably also go with DSA Milkshake, DSA Peach, GMK Serika or SA/GMK Chocolatier!
Senter, i am extremely tempted by the fade anno, can you show* the meeting of the two halves on your prototype? Would like to see how close/far they got on that particular unit
Ok guys white case with metaverse or fade Anno with something like SA Pulse?
Ok guys white case with metaverse or fade Anno with something like SA Pulse?
Let's start the waiting game.
Any updates perhaps?
So i just realized i opted to upgrade my weight not buy a second weight, if anyone wants to sell the aluminum one ill buy. Figure its kind of late to try and get it added.
Any updates perhaps?
https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-sept-25-2018
On schedule.
Any updates perhaps?
https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-sept-25-2018
On schedule.
Update:
Top and bottom cases: CNC finished, waiting for anodizing
Plates: waiting for anodizing
Weight: manufacturing
PCB: manufacturing
Any updates perhaps?
https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-sept-25-2018
On schedule.
Update:
Top and bottom cases: CNC finished, waiting for anodizing
Plates: waiting for anodizing
Weight: manufacturing
PCB: manufacturing
Any updates perhaps?
https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-sept-25-2018
On schedule.
Update:
Top and bottom cases: CNC finished, waiting for anodizing
Plates: waiting for anodizing
Weight: manufacturing
PCB: manufacturing
awesome. senter i hope your team is considering making a matching numpad. (yes, it's me, still asking hehe)
Update on progress? Shipping was expected Nov.
Update on progress? Shipping was expected Nov.
CNC all finished. Anodizing is still ongoing but should be finished within 1 week.
We're expected to ship all the kits to zFrontier around Nov. 15 after the first round QC. zFrontier then will ship all the packages to you after the second round QC.
oooo, very exciting!Update on progress? Shipping was expected Nov.
CNC all finished. Anodizing is still ongoing but should be finished within 1 week.
We're expected to ship all the kits to zFrontier around Nov. 15 after the first round QC. zFrontier then will ship all the packages to you after the second round QC.
Update on progress? Shipping was expected Nov.
CNC all finished. Anodizing is still ongoing but should be finished within 1 week.
We're expected to ship all the kits to zFrontier around Nov. 15 after the first round QC. zFrontier then will ship all the packages to you after the second round QC.
Update:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HXBnWJs.jpg)
- Production finished
- First round QC finished
- Boxes will arrive tomorrow. It was delayed for three days due to the 11/11 Taobao sale.
- All the packages will be shipped to zFrontier this week. zFrontier will ship the boards to you after second round QC.
how many yellow were ordered lol? that might be my yellow/moa white one there lol looks nice!
how many yellow were ordered lol? that might be my yellow/moa white one there lol looks nice!
I did! Though mine was alps, and it looks like the one in the pic is MX. I know of another in the community that also ordered yellow with an alps plate as well.
I really like how it turned out! I'm excited for my build!
Update:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HXBnWJs.jpg)
- Production finished
- First round QC finished
- Boxes will arrive tomorrow. It was delayed for three days due to the 11/11 Taobao sale.
- All the packages will be shipped to zFrontier this week. zFrontier will ship the boards to you after second round QC.
please Check my email... Plaease
Hi, I have ordered leaf 80 WKL(ALPS support) order number #ZFI28175348.
below, I have requested order list.
- yellow top and bottom case
- alps plate and pcb
and "additional" cherry plate and pcb "NOT" change those.
I think ... This is Conversation Mistake. I'm very embarrassed
(Because I have sent you email which requested additional cherry plate and pcb)
I really want alps plate and pcb ...
So, Could you send me Alps set and If you could extra cherry and plate , please send me paypal invoice.
I will fee extra charge.
Thank you for your honor, and Please send me together. Thx :)
please Check my email... Plaease
Hi, I have ordered leaf 80 WKL(ALPS support) order number #ZFI28175348.
below, I have requested order list.
- yellow top and bottom case
- white wkl alps plate and pcb
and "additional" cherry plate and pcb "NOT" change those.
I think ... This is Conversation Mistake. I'm very embarrassed
(Because I have sent you email which requested additional cherry plate and pcb)
I really want alps plate and pcb ...
So, Could you send me Alps set and If you could extra cherry and plate , please send me paypal invoice.
I will fee extra charge.
Result : I want alps plate and pcb + cherry plate and pcb OK?
Thank you for your honor, and Please send me together. Thx :)
got my shipping notification~
I just got mine! The yellow color looks really cool! The only thing is that I'm pretty sure the order is partially wrong. I thought it was not possible to get two different colors for the plate/weight. I recieved a MAO plate (which I ordered) but then got a gold weight, when I thought it was also supposed to be MAO. Here's a pic:
(https://i.ibb.co/PcyskY5/photo-2018-12-05-17-58-52.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tq6wRhb)
did you order a brass weight? i don't see what weight you ordered in that pic
did you order a brass weight? i don't see what weight you ordered in that pic
Lol you should stop posting in threads you have no clue about. There were 2 options, one for case colour and one for plate/weight colour.
Gainsborough, you should send an email to zfrontier support, they should be able to help you out.
Any pics of the mounting tabs for the plate?
Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181206/5cfaadbb325197db0d32e005497410f9.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181206/7e5b4a6354d1ea422c7fb6ac39417032.jpg)
Yeah I see now, the CNC on the alu weight is not as nice as the brass (aside from the mark).(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181207/8ceaab6aaa2644c5cd181b07af5701e1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181207/749d2101e7cb689b93a677b29119e9ec.jpg)
my brass weight has this too its not a scratch but a spot where its not milled down i can feel it with my nail
Just finished building mine! I had minor setbacks with a whole caps lock fiasco, but I'm very pleased with how it turned out!
(https://i.ibb.co/wSdV9my/leaf80.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sKgn0Yj)
Have to admit I'm a little disappointed in the "green" it's definitely cyan or seafoam green at best in the daylight.. was definitely hoping for a bit more green in there vs bright blue...Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181213/98519b371e7cc77bea1c1f018469e2e9.jpg)
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Have to admit I'm a little disappointed in the "green" it's definitely cyan or seafoam green at best in the daylight.. was definitely hoping for a bit more green in there vs bright blue...Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181213/98519b371e7cc77bea1c1f018469e2e9.jpg)
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I still haven't received my shipping notification. Should I be concerned?
my money is on a translation issue
color names are particularly hard to translate from chinese to english
my money is on a translation issue
color names are particularly hard to translate from chinese to english
Senter speaks fluent English and I suspect fluent Chinese too, I doubt it. Just seems like an unfortunate case of mismatched colours in production or just a photo that didn't represent what he had in his head.
my money is on a translation issue
color names are particularly hard to translate from chinese to english
Senter speaks fluent English and I suspect fluent Chinese too, I doubt it. Just seems like an unfortunate case of mismatched colours in production or just a photo that didn't represent what he had in his head.
my money is on a translation issue
color names are particularly hard to translate from chinese to english
Senter speaks fluent English and I suspect fluent Chinese too, I doubt it. Just seems like an unfortunate case of mismatched colours in production or just a photo that didn't represent what he had in his head.
there's no word for teal in chinese as far as i know, i've seen it written with the same word as green a few times
then again my chinese isn't super great so i could be totally wrong
Have to admit I'm a little disappointed in the "green" it's definitely cyan or seafoam green at best in the daylight.. was definitely hoping for a bit more green in there vs bright blue...Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181213/98519b371e7cc77bea1c1f018469e2e9.jpg)
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I haven't either and I paid as soon as I got it
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I still haven't received my shipping notification. Should I be concerned?
Got my board in today. E-black with MAO plate/leaf looks incredible.
Any possibility of selling extra parts? I think I want an extra PCB + ALPs plate, and I'm dumb for not ordering them before.
Would definitely love a chance at some extra parts (PCB, plates, etc)!
I didn't receive shipping notification, so I've sent you a PM as well~I haven't either and I paid as soon as I got it
Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using TapatalkI still haven't received my shipping notification. Should I be concerned?
Please PM me your order numbers.
I got mine this morning but thanks :) luckily DHL is so fast haha and I trust zfrontier so it was no worryI haven't either and I paid as soon as I got it
Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using TapatalkI still haven't received my shipping notification. Should I be concerned?
Please PM me your order numbers.
My kit arrived this morning, here's some pics I took of it. Blue / MAO White for reference.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0DDgUJS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AhPyi4P.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HR2vEra.jpg)
More pics over here, including the brass weight: https://imgur.com/a/2C7wAqN
Worth noting that I also got an extra MAO white plate, universal layout (unlike the custom one I asked senter for).
My kit arrived this morning, here's some pics I took of it. Blue / MAO White for reference.These pictures made me go in awe once I scrolled upon them. Absolutely gorgeous!! Take good care of her :DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/0DDgUJS.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AhPyi4P.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HR2vEra.jpg)
More pics over here, including the brass weight: https://imgur.com/a/2C7wAqN
Worth noting that I also got an extra MAO white plate, universal layout (unlike the custom one I asked senter for).
Grats on a beautiful board, man. It's a looker. What keycaps are you planning to put on it?
Grats on a beautiful board, man. It's a looker. What keycaps are you planning to put on it?
Waiting on Modern Dolch to come in for it. Fixed plate really is the way to go.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/lP3NYoS.jpg)
Built it with a Skog PCB cause the one I got had issues out of the box, replacement coming in soon. Did not notice that the Skog PCB had flipped spacebar stabs, so my space is... a bit whack :))
Will rebuild later haha.
Looks nice! Which way is the space bar wire supposed to go. I think I might have built mine wrong (used mill Max sockets tho so should be okay).
Grats on a beautiful board, man. It's a looker. What keycaps are you planning to put on it?
Waiting on Modern Dolch to come in for it. Fixed plate really is the way to go.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/lP3NYoS.jpg)
Built it with a Skog PCB cause the one I got had issues out of the box, replacement coming in soon. Did not notice that the Skog PCB had flipped spacebar stabs, so my space is... a bit whack :))
Will rebuild later haha.
Pretty jealous of that fixed plate, had no idea fox labs offered customs, did it cost extra? Also the PCBs, because of alps support I had trouble with caps and left ctrl always enabled, turned out the solder had bled onto the alps pad.
I can't seem to figure out why I can't get this key working on my PCB. Every other key registers fine, I ordered two PCB's and on both I can't get the key to register. I believe it should be a right Alt key? Maybe that key isn't supposed to work and my layout is wrong? I'm not sure.
The key in question is the one in-between the tweezers. The pad to the left registers as right alt. and the one to the right is windows key.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/V21onoC.jpg)
I can't seem to figure out why I can't get this key working on my PCB. Every other key registers fine, I ordered two PCB's and on both I can't get the key to register. I believe it should be a right Alt key? Maybe that key isn't supposed to work and my layout is wrong? I'm not sure.
The key in question is the one in-between the tweezers. The pad to the left registers as right alt. and the one to the right is windows key.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/V21onoC.jpg)
Open up BootmapperClient, hit Download then Toggle Bootmapper. That key is default mapped as FN, so it doesnt send a keycode to the PC on its own. With Toggle Bootmapper on, try shorting it and you should hopefully see that it is indeed working.
Built my e-coat white with holy chickies x eBPT 9009.
Also used mill max sockets to make the board hotswappable.
The lighting makes the board look more cream but it is a true white in person.
I am very pleased with the quality and finish on the board.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5tzKC99.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/K1nJPV6.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/dMjD3Iw.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WuSYW5k.jpg)
Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/TqlBori
How does the cooler white board look with the warmer 9009 white, irl?Built my e-coat white with holy chickies x eBPT 9009.
Also used mill max sockets to make the board hotswappable.
The lighting makes the board look more cream but it is a true white in person.
I am very pleased with the quality and finish on the board.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5tzKC99.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/K1nJPV6.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/dMjD3Iw.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WuSYW5k.jpg)
Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/TqlBori
Hey guys, has any of you received a defective PCB? Mine came with a dead 'right' arrow key and it looks like the diode was damaged or defective from manufacturing. When I contacted Senter, he said he would send me a diode to replace on my own. But those diodes are not 'through-hole' type and I don't believe they should be soldered/desoldered by hand. Any insight would be appreciated!
https://imgur.com/a/jJutj3n
Frankly, I am very disappointed with the entire experience. I didn't join the original GB, I bought the remaining stock from Senter when he posted them. The case arrived with a dent dead in the middle of the front side, a blemish on on the blue weight, and his response was that I was nick-picking and these are considered normal. He refunded $30 for the dent on the case, but said the blue weight looks fine to him. He said I should be able to fix the diode myself and told me not to bother him again. I guess this is the new normal for customer relationship. I want to say this is kinda a GB thing, but then I didn't join the GB. This was a direct purchase. Then again, why do we even call this a group buy?
In any case, not starting a spitting contest here, and I will not bother to respond to Senter either as he clearly has never had any intention to make things right from the start. I have been an audiophile trading gears online for the 20 years and I have seen all kinds of behaviors from sellers and buyers. I also learned not to get upset over stupidity. Just didn't expect it from a so-called 'manufacturer'.
Hopefully Senter would make things right for everyone from now on, if there is one thing to achieve with this writing.
Caveat Emptor as the forum said. :)
Hey guys, has any of you received a defective PCB? Mine came with a dead 'right' arrow key and it looks like the diode was damaged or defective from manufacturing. When I contacted Senter, he said he would send me a diode to replace on my own. But those diodes are not 'through-hole' type and I don't believe they should be soldered/desoldered by hand. Any insight would be appreciated!
https://imgur.com/a/jJutj3n
Frankly, I am very disappointed with the entire experience. I didn't join the original GB, I bought the remaining stock from Senter when he posted them. The case arrived with a dent dead in the middle of the front side, a blemish on on the blue weight, and his response was that I was nick-picking and these are considered normal. He refunded $30 for the dent on the case, but said the blue weight looks fine to him. He said I should be able to fix the diode myself and told me not to bother him again. I guess this is the new normal for customer relationship. I want to say this is kinda a GB thing, but then I didn't join the GB. This was a direct purchase. Then again, why do we even call this a group buy?
In any case, not starting a spitting contest here, and I will not bother to respond to Senter either as he clearly has never had any intention to make things right from the start. I have been an audiophile trading gears online for the 20 years and I have seen all kinds of behaviors from sellers and buyers. I also learned not to get upset over stupidity. Just didn't expect it from a so-called 'manufacturer'.
Hopefully Senter would make things right for everyone from now on, if there is one thing to achieve with this writing.
Caveat Emptor as the forum said. :)
Hey guys, has any of you received a defective PCB? Mine came with a dead 'right' arrow key and it looks like the diode was damaged or defective from manufacturing. When I contacted Senter, he said he would send me a diode to replace on my own. But those diodes are not 'through-hole' type and I don't believe they should be soldered/desoldered by hand. Any insight would be appreciated!
https://imgur.com/a/jJutj3n
Frankly, I am very disappointed with the entire experience. I didn't join the original GB, I bought the remaining stock from Senter when he posted them. The case arrived with a dent dead in the middle of the front side, a blemish on on the blue weight, and his response was that I was nick-picking and these are considered normal. He refunded $30 for the dent on the case, but said the blue weight looks fine to him. He said I should be able to fix the diode myself and told me not to bother him again. I guess this is the new normal for customer relationship. I want to say this is kinda a GB thing, but then I didn't join the GB. This was a direct purchase. Then again, why do we even call this a group buy?
In any case, not starting a spitting contest here, and I will not bother to respond to Senter either as he clearly has never had any intention to make things right from the start. I have been an audiophile trading gears online for the 20 years and I have seen all kinds of behaviors from sellers and buyers. I also learned not to get upset over stupidity. Just didn't expect it from a so-called 'manufacturer'.
Hopefully Senter would make things right for everyone from now on, if there is one thing to achieve with this writing.
Caveat Emptor as the forum said. :)
It's a shame your PCB came with a defect, real unfortunate, but it would be a waste for both of you if you had to sent the PCB back and forth for repair. They can very easily be soldered and desoldered by hand though, so don't worry. The only extra tool you will need are a pair of tweezers, any old pair will do.
To desolder the diode, heat one pad while holding the diode with the tweezers and lift it up gently on that side, there shouldn't be much resistance. Next, heat up the other pad and do the same, this time lifting the whole diode hopefully. If it doesn't lift off the second time, keep repeating, alternating between sides until you get the whole diode off.
To solder the diode, make sure there's some solder on both of the pads first, adding a bit on otherwise. Then, using your tweezers, hold the diode in place on the PCB, ensuring the direction (position of the line) is correct. While applying a light amount of downward force on the diode with your tweezers, heat up one pad and visually check that it is soldered down. Repeat to the other side and bam, you're done.
I have to agree with senter about your weight though, that pic makes it seem like an absolutely tiny nick in a weight. The cause is most likely due to a small bump or something, this anodizing is quite fragile and tends to get scratched quite easily, a trade-off for the gorgeous colours you can get out of it. The case is more visible, so I can understand your sentiment, good to see you got some compensation there.
Thanks for your help MxBlue! I appreciate it. I too am sorry that this doesn't work out. It's a nice board but I don't need the aggravation and insults. I think people need to hold these so-called GB runners to a bit higher standard. It's not a good thing when your only choice is to accept a blemished item with a small compensation. Most reputable seller would have labelled this B-Stock. period. It's not up for debate.
This is not GB, this is selling direct with 100% payment upfront and delivery in 3-6 months, and the buyers bears all the risk. The only other thing that resembles a GB here is the 'doing you a favor' attitude.
Thanks again for your help! Glad you're happy with yours.
Senter, I am surprised to see you come out to defend not 1, but 3 issues in a single kit, as though this is solely my 'high' expectation. The mere idea that even 1 issue is passable is ludicrous. Whether the buyer accepts the defects is up to the buyer, but not to be a standard of delivering a finished product. You pride yourself with high quality but make an exception when it is not? I did pass on and accepted the defects albeit you only took responsibility for one, one that is dead in the middle in the front. I did it because there was no other option without returning the kit. I did it for simplicity sake.
The kit arrived during the holidays and I only tested the PCB after, and the picture clearly shows that the diode is damaged, not missing. In either case, why is it my fault that it is missing or damaged? Even now, you take absolutely no responsibility on why these defects were there in the first place. I didn't join the group buy, I bought this kit because you solicited to sell them. Why haven't you or your partner checked before selling them?
You have never been apologetic, not the slightest bit. You blame me for high standard, and somehow I didn't notice the damaged diode? As far as I can see, that was a bad diode soldered on the PCB from the start! And this is somehow my fault?
All my responses to you show that I have every intention to work this out and take the kits as it. But 3 issues in one order, and most importantly, your arrogant responses did it for me. Like you said, stop bothering me. The kit is going back to you and I want nothing to do with it.
For those who think this is acceptable and think that we should give GB runners a break, I think it's time to rethink what GB really is today. This is not what GB used to be, this is just selling direct masking as GB. It's keyboards after keyboards, GB after GB non-stop because this GB sale model is unbeatable. Where else can you ask people to put up with the production cost and profit upfront with no risk to themselves? I guess we need to be thankful that we actually receive the goods, sometimes?
I don't want this to be a spitting contest thus I never mentioned any detail and my Paypal action. I only thought that other members should be aware of the situation. Perhaps Senter would do better next time either with QC, or with treating the next customer who runs into issues.
Please know this - I wouldn't have bought this if I didn't like Senter's work. This is not a rejection of the design, it's a beautiful board. It's unfortunate that I won't have this or any future products under the circumstance.
I digress and won't add further.
So the dude got a free board plus $30 over a little blemish and a damaged diode? And on top of that he comes on this forum to complain how Senter did him wrong? Entitlement much?
Senter, I am surprised to see you come out to defend not 1, but 3 issues in a single kit, as though this is solely my 'high' expectation. The mere idea that even 1 issue is passable is ludicrous. Whether the buyer accepts the defects is up to the buyer, but not to be a standard of delivering a finished product. You pride yourself with high quality but make an exception when it is not? I did pass on and accepted the defects albeit you only took responsibility for one, one that is dead in the middle in the front. I did it because there was no other option without returning the kit. I did it for simplicity sake.
The kit arrived during the holidays and I only tested the PCB after, and the picture clearly shows that the diode is damaged, not missing. In either case, why is it my fault that it is missing or damaged? Even now, you take absolutely no responsibility on why these defects were there in the first place. I didn't join the group buy, I bought this kit because you solicited to sell them. Why haven't you or your partner checked before selling them?
You have never been apologetic, not the slightest bit. You blame me for high standard, and somehow I didn't notice the damaged diode? As far as I can see, that was a bad diode soldered on the PCB from the start! And this is somehow my fault?
All my responses to you show that I have every intention to work this out and take the kits as it. But 3 issues in one order, and most importantly, your arrogant responses did it for me. Like you said, stop bothering me. The kit is going back to you and I want nothing to do with it.
For those who think this is acceptable and think that we should give GB runners a break, I think it's time to rethink what GB really is today. This is not what GB used to be, this is just selling direct masking as GB. It's keyboards after keyboards, GB after GB non-stop because this GB sale model is unbeatable. Where else can you ask people to put up with the production cost and profit upfront with no risk to themselves? I guess we need to be thankful that we actually receive the goods, sometimes?
I don't want this to be a spitting contest thus I never mentioned any detail and my Paypal action. I only thought that other members should be aware of the situation. Perhaps Senter would do better next time either with QC, or with treating the next customer who runs into issues.
Please know this - I wouldn't have bought this if I didn't like Senter's work. This is not a rejection of the design, it's a beautiful board. It's unfortunate that I won't have this or any future products under the circumstance.
I digress and won't add further.
So the dude got a free board plus $30 over a little blemish and a damaged diode? And on top of that he comes on this forum to complain how Senter did him wrong? Entitlement much?
Ya I'd probably blacklist this dude from future GBs.
Wow, you guys are so quick to come to his defense and believe every word he said. The Paypal dispute is open and I am waiting for Papyal's instruction to return the item. Free board and $30? You wish it is that easy.So are you going to return his $30? You still made a chargeback for the full amount
Senter, I have never accused you of anything other than facts, which you admitted. I have never accused you for intentionally pushing these last few leftover boards as A-Stock. You suggested you could send me a diode replacement, and I never heard from you for days. Then when I asked again, you said you already sent me a dinode, and 'What more do you want? Leave me alone!" First, I never agree to accepting responsibility to repair the PCB myself, because if it doesn't work, you will surely blame me for it. And even if so, do you have a tracking no. for those dinodes you've sent last week?
I was generalizing what GB is today, not addressing your particular delivery time, which I had no idea what it was. I never asked you to apologize and especially not beg for forgiveness! I was describing the situation and your behavior. What is this extreme talk with you?
So excuse my ignorance folks, I didn't know 2 blemishes and a defective PCB in a single keyboard is normal around here. Ban me or not, I volunteer not to be a sucker anymore.
Wow, you guys are so quick to come to his defense and believe every word he said. The Paypal dispute is open and I am waiting for Papyal's instruction to return the item. Free board and $30? You wish it is that easy.
Senter, I have never accused you of anything other than facts, which you admitted. I have never accused you for intentionally pushing these last few leftover boards as A-Stock. You suggested you could send me a diode replacement, and I never heard from you for days. Then when I asked again, you said you already sent me a dinode, and 'What more do you want? Leave me alone!" First, I never agree to accepting responsibility to repair the PCB myself, because if it doesn't work, you will surely blame me for it. And even if so, do you have a tracking no. for those dinodes you've sent last week?
I was generalizing what GB is today, not addressing your particular delivery time, which I had no idea what it was. I never asked you to apologize and especially not beg for forgiveness! I was describing the situation and your behavior. What is this extreme talk with you?
So excuse my ignorance folks, I didn't know 2 blemishes and a defective PCB in a single keyboard is normal around here. Ban me or not, I volunteer not to be a sucker anymore.
If anyone has a Leaf 80 they're willing to sell, I am looking to buy one. Please PM me!
How does the cooler white board look with the warmer 9009 white, irl?Built my e-coat white with holy chickies x eBPT 9009.
Also used mill max sockets to make the board hotswappable.
The lighting makes the board look more cream but it is a true white in person.
I am very pleased with the quality and finish on the board.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5tzKC99.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/K1nJPV6.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/dMjD3Iw.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WuSYW5k.jpg)
Imgur Album: https://imgur.com/a/TqlBori
It looks great, you can’t really go wrong. Right now I switched to DSa Milkshake though.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QJyI7kv.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/1mrUfdk
Have had my kit since december, but didn't get around to start build it until now. I realised there are no rubber feet in my order. zFrontier didn't respond to my e-mail about it, which is no big surprise. What do you guys do in such situations? Find substitutes in hardware stores?
Keyboard kit looks great btw :)
I can't seem to figure out why I can't get this key working on my PCB. Every other key registers fine, I ordered two PCB's and on both I can't get the key to register. I believe it should be a right Alt key? Maybe that key isn't supposed to work and my layout is wrong? I'm not sure.
The key in question is the one in-between the tweezers. The pad to the left registers as right alt. and the one to the right is windows key.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/V21onoC.jpg)
Open up BootmapperClient, hit Download then Toggle Bootmapper. That key is default mapped as FN, so it doesnt send a keycode to the PC on its own. With Toggle Bootmapper on, try shorting it and you should hopefully see that it is indeed working.
Thank you so much! It works.
I can't seem to figure out why I can't get this key working on my PCB. Every other key registers fine, I ordered two PCB's and on both I can't get the key to register. I believe it should be a right Alt key? Maybe that key isn't supposed to work and my layout is wrong? I'm not sure.
The key in question is the one in-between the tweezers. The pad to the left registers as right alt. and the one to the right is windows key.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/V21onoC.jpg)
Open up BootmapperClient, hit Download then Toggle Bootmapper. That key is default mapped as FN, so it doesnt send a keycode to the PC on its own. With Toggle Bootmapper on, try shorting it and you should hopefully see that it is indeed working.
Thank you so much! It works.
Which version of the bootmapperclient did you use? I'm getting an error: "Error setting action: Communication error with device". Has anyone else seen this? I'm trying to remap this right function key to something else...
Super long shot, but would anyone be willing to trade a WKL yellow top for a WK yellow top?
I was building my Leaf80 with 1.5, 1, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1, 1.5 bottom layout in a WK top and realized that the PCB doesn't actually support this layout strangely enough :-X
Super long shot, but would anyone be willing to trade a WKL yellow top for a WK yellow top?
I was building my Leaf80 with 1.5, 1, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1, 1.5 bottom layout in a WK top and realized that the PCB doesn't actually support this layout strangely enough :-X
Hiney's H87a pcb fits this case and supports the tsangan bottom row if you would like to keep your wk top
I'm looking for an extra MX plate as well actually. Was contemplating getting a pom plate cut on ponoko.
These PCBs are compatible if you need another: https://switchmod.net/products/h87a