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Title: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 August 2020, 14:10:14
Update:   OH MY GAWD...

ABOVE 2080TI  performance @ ALL PRICE LEVELS  $500, $700, $1499.

3070,3080,3090, ALL > 2080Ti


THIS IS A  GPU RENAISSANCE


(https://i.imgur.com/8Wc1obj.gif)



Leaked specs,  https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-and-geforce-rtx-3080-specifications-leaked

Leaked performance <RUMOR> 1.3x  2080ti.  4x Raytrace performance.  ~28900 passmark

Amd Big Navi <RUMOR> 2x 5700xt,  ~32000 passmark bench


NVDA Stonks + 3.92% , through the r00f.

Which card you guys holdn' out fer ??


(https://i.imgur.com/HmeSYmM.jpg)
Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 28 August 2020, 14:53:24
Trusting that site is like trusting wccftech or whatever.
Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 August 2020, 14:57:16
Trusting that site is like trusting wccftech or whatever.

Agreed, But the rumor is extremely close to the real release, so it's quite likely a publicity stunt, vs an actual leak.

Journalistic Leak has really been reduced to a form of advertisement these days.

Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Sintpinty on Fri, 28 August 2020, 20:38:33
Now i have to save another 400 dollars for a top of the line graphics card, dammit.
Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 August 2020, 20:57:22
Now i have to save another 400 dollars for a top of the line graphics card, dammit.

Rumored price $1400,  not insane, but would prefer $600
Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: PadawanGeek on Fri, 28 August 2020, 23:42:37
It's not JeeTeeEEhks, it's ArrTeeEks....and though I'm due for a GPU upgrade, my RX VEGA64's and GTX1080 are kinda showing their age, I'm gonna hold out till Big Navi hits the scene, will compare benchmarks (RTX3090/RTX3080 Ti vs Big Navi) and see which would offer a better price/performance ratio.
Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 29 August 2020, 02:14:31
this thread title gave me ****ing cancer
Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: SBJ on Sat, 29 August 2020, 04:05:34
this thread title gave me ****ing cancer
Honestly didn't even know wtf it meant until I went into the thread.
Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Coreda on Sat, 29 August 2020, 04:10:45
Wanting to hold out for that upcoming 3080 20GB model to see how much it'll retail at (or if it'll even fit in the case).

It's not JeeTeeEEhks, it's ArrTeeEks....

Also this
Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 29 August 2020, 04:24:30
Which card you guys holdn' out fer ??
Not those.
They can take a hike with those prices.

They got addicted to high profit with the mining craze and I seriously hope almost no one buys the 80 or 90 but you know they will.
Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 29 August 2020, 04:31:08
If the Hardware Gods are on my side and I've resisted the urge to move to a cave my next 'card' will be a Rembrandt APU.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 August 2020, 06:31:18
Wanting to hold out for that upcoming 3080 20GB model to see how much it'll retail at (or if it'll even fit in the case).

It's not JeeTeeEEhks, it's ArrTeeEks....

Also this

Calm down guyz,  Tp4 fixed.. ^^^, check it out, best title EVar, m0ar shadarz, mo4r jigahurtz..
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 August 2020, 06:34:53
Which card you guys holdn' out fer ??
Not those.
They can take a hike with those prices.

They got addicted to high profit with the mining craze and I seriously hope almost no one buys the 80 or 90 but you know they will.

Mining isn't why.

It's really APPLE's fault,  they're the ones who began heavily skewing the electronics profit margin with their $1000+ Iphone.

Over time, for example, APPLE could BUY / Absorb Nvidia,  if Nvidia didn't raise prices.   This was a necessary corporate move.

You can rank the Power of a Company this way,  The Percentage of your income THEY-Take is their strength relative to other companies.

If Apple, giving you LESS, takes MORE OF your Income, overtime, Apple will become Disproportionately Powerful RELATIVE to Nvidia.

This is why CIGARETTE Companies and potentially Marijuana companies will become Disruptive, because their product costs next to nothing to produce, Yet they pull a HUGE chunk of cash in from the consumer. 
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 August 2020, 19:30:52
Mulling it over,  It's rumored triple slot. that's gonna block a whole pcie x16 port on alot of boards.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: PadawanGeek on Sat, 29 August 2020, 20:56:02
I don't think that's an issue, unless a sound card is a must for you....even then, might fit an eATX mobo. But, in my neck of the woods, the RTX3090 would be more pricey than 1400USD, due to distributers imposing a high premium over cost price. That's why I hope AMD's big Navi can at least pose a big enough threat for nGreedia to get real with its pricing policy....yes, I have a right to dream, don't I?

Edit - Since hardly anyone is using SLi these days, and support for SLi/CF is pretty much dead, a single powerful card is the way to go. That the RTX3090 takes up three slots and blocks off some PCIe slots is moot....
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: absyrd on Sun, 30 August 2020, 00:54:43
Looking like the 12-pin rumor is true. Why in the actual ****?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 30 August 2020, 05:00:59
Some claim it's because normal wires can't flow enough power, even if you change the guage there's no reason 12 handles more than dual 8 pin if it's the same connector.

My guess is that it matches the new mobo power connector cables, which would be be nice if all of them were the same.
Would be nice if they could standardize it on the other end as well so cables were universal.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: mr.squishy on Sun, 30 August 2020, 06:42:20
I'm holding out for a 3060. Those high prices can go commit rubberdome.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 August 2020, 07:01:59
I'm holding out for a 3060. Those high prices can go commit rubberdome.

(https://i.imgur.com/8l4kWNs.gif)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 30 August 2020, 08:04:46
Did some checking, the RTX 3090 is rated for 350 watts.
They need the extra power.

For comparison, almost no other card draws much over 200 with most around 150-190.
Makes me think they may have glued two 3080's together, it would explain the price.
Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Sintpinty on Sun, 30 August 2020, 12:38:16
Now i have to save another 400 dollars for a top of the line graphics card, dammit.

Rumored price $1400,  not insane, but would prefer $600


cad makes things more inflated
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: absyrd on Sun, 30 August 2020, 15:38:10
Did some checking, the RTX 3090 is rated for 350 watts.
They need the extra power.

For comparison, almost no other card draws much over 200 with most around 150-190.
Makes me think they may have glued two 3080's together, it would explain the price.

**** that. 350w+? I thought we were moving to more efficient power-to-performance. Such a turn-off.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 August 2020, 17:05:12
Did some checking, the RTX 3090 is rated for 350 watts.
They need the extra power.

For comparison, almost no other card draws much over 200 with most around 150-190.
Makes me think they may have glued two 3080's together, it would explain the price.

**** that. 350w+? I thought we were moving to more efficient power-to-performance. Such a turn-off.

it' dat 7nm, 30-40% m0ar pwer efficient. m0ar perf0rmance in the same footprint...

Not sure if the power rumor is true.  But if it is.. I would think  Big-Navi should put up some Big numbers, otherwise there'd be no reason to stretch so hard
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: mr.squishy on Sun, 30 August 2020, 20:52:44
Did some checking, the RTX 3090 is rated for 350 watts.
They need the extra power.

For comparison, almost no other card draws much over 200 with most around 150-190.
Makes me think they may have glued two 3080's together, it would explain the price.

**** that. 350w+? I thought we were moving to more efficient power-to-performance. Such a turn-off.

it' dat 7nm, 30-40% m0ar pwer efficient. m0ar perf0rmance in the same footprint...

Not sure if the power rumor is true.  But if it is.. I would think  Big-Navi should put up some Big numbers, otherwise there'd be no reason to stretch so hard

The power draw rumor is most likely true, if rumors about TSMC/Samsung are true. I'm no engineer, but from what I've heard, the 3xxx series will be built on Samsung's 8nm node instead of TSMC's 7nm node. Samsung simply isn't as efficient at making the massive dies that TSMC has been building for years, so it doesn't surprise me at all that the power draw is much higher. Honestly the high power draw and the massive cooler really remind me of the Fermi days.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 30 August 2020, 21:06:48
Keep in mind, the 3090 is NOT a 2080 replacement
It's probably not even a 2080 TI replacement, it's more likely a Titan replacement. Everything about it from price to size to power draw makes more sense if that's the case.

3080 will mostly likely be 200watts give or take about 10%.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Coreda on Mon, 31 August 2020, 00:15:52
3080 will mostly likely be 200watts give or take about 10%.

We know from the Gainward leaks a couple days ago that their 3080 will be 320W (with 350w for their 3090). So gives some ballpark for other board partners. Though how much in typical use it'll draw idk (same could be said for EVGA's 2080Ti and Supers which are mostly 250W).
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 31 August 2020, 01:18:07
Jeez that's a heck of a jump.
These are going draw insane amounts under OC, not that don't already.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: yui on Mon, 31 August 2020, 04:16:06
i kinda hope that those will not drive the used market through the roof. like the 2080 did and covid did after.
cause here i see already RX580-8G for sale at 250 euros and it has been 2 or 3 years that the used card price stays the same or goes up for new generations... 3 years ago i bought an R9 280 tri-X at 50 euros, now i can't find them under 80... kinda why i hate nvidia/apple/samsung...
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: typeaudesign on Mon, 31 August 2020, 04:48:40
3080 will mostly likely be 200watts give or take about 10%.

We know from the Gainward leaks a couple days ago that their 3080 will be 320W (with 350w for their 3090). So gives some ballpark for other board partners. Though how much in typical use it'll draw idk (same could be said for EVGA's 2080Ti and Supers which are mostly 250W).

So what would be the new Titan? 48 Gigs of VRAM?  :D
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 31 August 2020, 05:05:55
i kinda hope that those will not drive the used market through the roof. like the 2080 did and covid did after.
cause here i see already RX580-8G for sale at 250 euros and it has been 2 or 3 years that the used card price stays the same or goes up for new generations... 3 years ago i bought an R9 280 tri-X at 50 euros, now i can't find them under 80... kinda why i hate nvidia/apple/samsung...
RX 580 4gb is around $120-130. They were about $80 this time last year.
8gb is only about $20 more.

Anyone expecting $250 is smoking crack, you can buy 8gb for sub $160 all day long.
Ebay UK is also similarly priced.

As for why it went up, Mining caused a shortage of cards, I'm not sure what happened mid last year to cause a second shortage, maybe it never recovered fully? Then Covid hit and depleted what was left of the market. I suspect people mining other crypto are still mining on gpus.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 31 August 2020, 07:08:26
Leaked benchmarks say  + 40% ontop of 2080Ti.


(https://i.imgur.com/cH14rUh.gif)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: typeaudesign on Mon, 31 August 2020, 07:11:59
Leaked benchmarks say  + 40% ontop of 2080Ti.


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/cH14rUh.gif)


How would it compare to lets say, a 1080TI? I'm upgrading soon and I'm curious how that would compare to a 3080 or 3090. Disregarding the price.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:02:08
How would it compare to lets say, a 1080TI? I'm upgrading soon and I'm curious how that would compare to a 3080 or 3090. Disregarding the price.

+72.5%
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:07:17
How would it compare to lets say, a 1080TI? I'm upgrading soon and I'm curious how that would compare to a 3080 or 3090. Disregarding the price.

+72.5%

Do different engines/resolutions/CPU and RAM speeds have so little influence that a number can be plucked out of the air like this?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:16:38
How would it compare to lets say, a 1080TI? I'm upgrading soon and I'm curious how that would compare to a 3080 or 3090. Disregarding the price.

+72.5%

Do different engines/resolutions/CPU and RAM speeds have so little influence that a number can be plucked out of the air like this?

Well the +40% is just a leaked benchmark video / rumor status

But the 1080ti to 2080ti is fact,  so that's what we're calculating from. 

Obviously this doesn't scale with every game engine,  but then there's 400% <rumored> Ray tracing performance increase,  so in a ray traced game,  you'd see 400% increase in frame rates, if the ray count was left the same.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:22:31
Sticking with my EVGA GTX 1080 SC until it can't play new games anymore, then I'll upgrade...
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: typeaudesign on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:25:24
Sticking with my EVGA GTX 1080 SC until it can't play new games anymore, then I'll upgrade...

My TI has has always kept me happy but now that I'm moving to high res ultrawide and I'm afraid that won't last :(
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:26:51
I don't need anything over 1080p to game well, so my 1080 should last me at least a few more years...
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: typeaudesign on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:37:49
I don't need anything over 1080p to game well, so my 1080 should last me at least a few more years...

For 1080p you're definetly set for a while!

EDIT: Grammar hard.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 31 August 2020, 08:38:57
I don't need anything over 1080p to game well, so my 1080 should last me at least a few more years...

For 1080p you're definetly set for a while!

 :thumb:










 :llama:
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Sniping on Mon, 31 August 2020, 18:59:26
yeah unfortunate that i've put myself on the tp setup because my 4k display doesn't play nice with my 1080 anymore and i've been itching to change my setup to accommodate a higher refresh rate.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 31 August 2020, 19:27:17
yeah unfortunate that i've put myself on the tp setup because my 4k display doesn't play nice with my 1080 anymore and i've been itching to change my setup to accommodate a higher refresh rate.

Dey got dat 1080p 360hz monitor now for Epic PR() Gam3rzing.

Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 September 2020, 11:41:28
OH MY GAWD...

ABOVE 2080TI  performance @ ALL PRICE LEVELS  $500, $700, 1499.


THIS IS A  GPU RENAISSANCE
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 01 September 2020, 11:45:10
Praise be

:llama:
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 September 2020, 11:56:20
Praise be

:llama:

OUR GOD,  JENSEN HUANG
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 September 2020, 12:09:09
THIS IS INSANE,  where do i PREORDER..  BUYYYY BUY BUYy
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: suicidal_orange on Tue, 01 September 2020, 12:17:16
What did you read?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 September 2020, 12:18:50
Christ, 

Think about the pricing,

2060 now is $300, it has to become ~ $150

2070 now is $450, it has to become ~ $200

2080 Super is now $770, it has to become ~ $300

2080 Ti, is $1400 street$,  it has to become  Less than $500
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 01 September 2020, 12:46:55
$1400 lmao go **** yourself
My entire rig cost $1400
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 September 2020, 14:23:30
What did you read?

Nvidia Livestream event. u can watch on utube, in 4K,
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 September 2020, 14:24:25
$1400 lmao go **** yourself
My entire rig cost $1400

U can buy the 3080, for $700, it's 40% faster than the current $1400 (streetprice) 2080Ti.

3090, King of GPU is $1499,   WHICH imho is very competitively priced.

//Perspective

Think about it, you can't even buy the Top Iphone for that much, And the Iphone is garbage compared to Mighty 3090.

3090 can play ray-traced games @ 8K (DLSS).

What can people do with an Iphone, go outside, and call people ? oh wait !
Maybe play 1080p games where it can barely hold 30fps before throttling after 20mins.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 01 September 2020, 17:01:43
You're preachin' to the choir. I don't think anyone on Earth would say any Apple product is not drastically overpriced. I'm shocked they make a profit and people support them at all at all with their current pricing and death timers on their phones.

But that's a terrible comparison.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Sintpinty on Tue, 01 September 2020, 22:00:53
Nvm I can afford a 3080 :)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Wed, 02 September 2020, 02:24:38
tp if you buy one of those do not go complain that you have no money for good food... i am 99% sure you do not need that extra power at all.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: absyrd on Wed, 02 September 2020, 02:48:56
Good thing I unloaded my 2060 supers when I did.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Wed, 02 September 2020, 03:37:53
F***, I need to sell my 2070s fast.
Then getting 3070.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Sup on Wed, 02 September 2020, 03:42:27
Well lets wait for second hand market 1000 series and 2000 to crash when these GPU's are massively accessible to everyone.

Maybe gonna try to snipe a 1080 TI or something if they crash.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 02 September 2020, 08:15:13
Well lets wait for second hand market 1000 series and 2000 to crash when these GPU's are massively accessible to everyone.

Maybe gonna try to snipe a 1080 TI or something if they crash.

You can haz 3070, which is around a 2080Ti for $500.

1080 Ti  for Retro gaming,    RTX is the FUTURE, the FUTURE IS HERE


Playable Raytracing is a major milestone,  Also DLSS, and Direct GPU-SSD IO. 

Though Tp4 still think 3080 is the best bang for buk,  and 3090 is honestly very reasonably priced.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 04 September 2020, 05:39:45
Holding out for a cheap upgrade. Being a gen behind is fine in PC world.

but still...
(https://i.redd.it/yiqnklmzhrk51.jpg)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Darthbaggins on Fri, 04 September 2020, 13:04:14
I'll be holding onto my 1080ti and just buying a 3080, I can put the 1080Ti into my son's rig - as everyone knows every 5yr old should have a 1080ti lol.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 September 2020, 15:21:22
I'll be holding onto my 1080ti and just buying a 3080, I can put the 1080Ti into my son's rig - as everyone knows every 5yr old should have a 1080ti lol.

I agree on keeping the 1080ti, but one should buy a 3090 to replace it. Not a 3080.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Sup on Fri, 04 September 2020, 20:39:18
I'll be holding onto my 1080ti and just buying a 3080, I can put the 1080Ti into my son's rig - as everyone knows every 5yr old should have a 1080ti lol.

I agree on keeping the 1080ti, but one should buy a 3090 to replace it. Not a 3080.


if you donate the difference in price between the 3080 and 3090 :)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 04 September 2020, 21:25:08
if you donate the difference in price between the 3080 and 3090 :)

(https://i.imgur.com/bmmPIeW.gif)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Sintpinty on Fri, 04 September 2020, 21:47:15
I'll be holding onto my 1080ti and just buying a 3080, I can put the 1080Ti into my son's rig - as everyone knows every 5yr old should have a 1080ti lol.

I agree on keeping the 1080ti, but one should buy a 3090 to replace it. Not a 3080.


I think a 3080 is fine for what he wants to do
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 14 September 2020, 00:56:17
People are STILL trying to get $700-1k for their 1080 blowers, what market do you believe you are currently in? Have you not seen what's coming? Are you stupid or delusional?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 14 September 2020, 02:34:55
I was just looking at used prices last night... yeah, some people are absolutely smoking crack.

1080's can be had under $300 again (finally!) and even 2080's are under $350. You may have to be patient and be ready to pounce on a good deal when you see it* but those deals are out there by people desperate to get what they can before the prices absolutely tank.

Anyhow,
I fully expect to see 1080s well under $200 by November but I think the best deals are going to be had on 2070s because they tend to get lost between the bulk of 60s and the hype of the 80s.



*Don't bother with auctions. Yes, occasionally you can score something really cheap on an auction, but in general at least one other person bidding knows what it's worth so there's no deal there. Another issue is people prone to gambling addiction treat Ebay like gambling and they hate to lose, so people will very often bid more than they simply could have gotten using Buy It Now. it's crazy, but they do it all the time. So they pay more and take longer to get it, just buy a good deal and be happy. If that's your jam, go for it, but I'd rather buy it and be done that spend a month trying to game the system and save $5.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: mr.squishy on Mon, 14 September 2020, 02:39:09
I remember when the 1000' series came out and instead of getting a new card I just bought another 970.

RIP SLI. It was cool as heck and had the potential to be awesome for VR, but it wasn't destined to be.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Mon, 14 September 2020, 07:09:40
I remember when the 1000' series came out and instead of getting a new card I just bought another 970.

RIP SLI. It was cool as heck and had the potential to be awesome for VR, but it wasn't destined to be.
well yeah SLI/CrossFire died for multiple reasons, 1 both were buggy and badly supported by games and 2 DX12 promised to replace them and support multi GPU at the API level and so they became redundant, although DX12 mutli-gpu is still plagued with the same issues as was SLI/CF so yeah pretty much dead until either nVidia or AMD needs it bad
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 14 September 2020, 08:10:10
It was easy to see it was a dead end from the start, it was proprietary and not supported by default. I was honestly surprised it lasted as long as it did, though to be fair it was dead long ago. I can probably count the number of SLI systems I've dealt with on one hand.

Had it been handled natively by the OS, Direct X, OpenGL or even the chipset sooner it may have stood a chance but Nvidia held too tightly too the reigns for entirely too long, making it a hassle for companies to properly support it. Nvidia also used it to drive a wedge between them and AMD and it put game developers and users right in the middle of it. I don't blame any company for refusing to implement it, it was more work and was anti-competition, and we've all seen how Nvidia acts when there's little competition.

If DX12 did help kill it, it only adds more fuel to the point that it was meant to be a wedge issue.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Darthbaggins on Mon, 14 September 2020, 15:44:46
So if this is true holy crap: NVIDIA's next-gen Titan RTX specs teased: 48GB GDDR6X and over $3000

Source (take w/ a grain of NaCL): https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75147/nvidias-next-gen-titan-rtx-specs-teased-48gb-gddr6x-and-over-3000/index.html
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 14 September 2020, 18:31:38
So if this is true holy crap: NVIDIA's next-gen Titan RTX specs teased: 48GB GDDR6X and over $3000

Source (take w/ a grain of NaCL): https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75147/nvidias-next-gen-titan-rtx-specs-teased-48gb-gddr6x-and-over-3000/index.html


Allegedly AMD also has constructed --Secret-- Weapon --
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Sintpinty on Tue, 15 September 2020, 08:46:55
So if this is true holy crap: NVIDIA's next-gen Titan RTX specs teased: 48GB GDDR6X and over $3000

Source (take w/ a grain of NaCL): https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75147/nvidias-next-gen-titan-rtx-specs-teased-48gb-gddr6x-and-over-3000/index.html


Thats bigger than my entire savings account
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Darthbaggins on Tue, 15 September 2020, 08:58:25
personally I could not see myself spending $3k on a GPU, but I could see myself building a track car for that amount lol.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: ergonaut on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:43:37
All of these cards consume way too much energy IMO. I'm perfectly happy with my passively cooled 1050ti with a peak consumption of 75 W. Wake me up when there's a capable RTX card with that TDP.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Darthbaggins on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:45:08
But winter is coming, might as well use it to heat the room instead of running the HVAC heater/radiator/heatpump/etc
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: ergonaut on Tue, 15 September 2020, 09:54:48
Good point, hard to argue with that.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: suicidal_orange on Tue, 15 September 2020, 11:51:45
My passive 1050ti is plenty to heat my room in Winter, but I'd need to shut the window first.  Maybe if you have real whether the argument makes sense but not for me :p
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Coreda on Wed, 16 September 2020, 22:10:20
FE 3080 is reviewing well, though seems to be luck whether it has decent OC potential. Will be interested how the higher end AIB cards compare overall.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: mr.squishy on Wed, 16 September 2020, 22:42:06
Power draw is as insane as I expected. OC numbers are pushing 550w+ (not shown on the graph)

(https://linustechtips.com/main/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://www.io-tech.fi/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/rtx380-bench-teho.png&key=0d9db1aecaec90fd83b75f78c77df6d3f11a5848022c4b7e7aff294bd5d0392b)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Coreda on Wed, 16 September 2020, 22:53:38
Power draw is as insane as I expected. OC numbers are pushing 550w+ (not shown on the graph)

Show Image
(https://linustechtips.com/main/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://www.io-tech.fi/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/rtx380-bench-teho.png&key=0d9db1aecaec90fd83b75f78c77df6d3f11a5848022c4b7e7aff294bd5d0392b)


This appears to be total system power consumption ('without the display' per translation) not the card alone. Gamers Nexus has charts (https://youtu.be/oTeXh9x0sUc?t=1402) which look at GPU only power draw for both stock and OC'd and it peaked at 373W.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: mr.squishy on Wed, 16 September 2020, 23:05:02
~snip~
This appears to be total system power consumption ('without the display' per translation) not the card alone. Gamers Nexus has charts (https://youtu.be/oTeXh9x0sUc?t=1402) which look at GPU only power draw for both stock and OC'd and it peaked at 373W.
It doesn't matter, 320w power draw is still completely unacceptable. This isn't a "TI" or a Super or a flagship model.

Who knows how much power the Aftermarket cards are going to draw.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Coreda on Wed, 16 September 2020, 23:30:45
It doesn't matter, 320w power draw is still completely unacceptable. This isn't a "TI" or a Super or a flagship model.

*Shrug* It is what it is. If one wants less power draw there's always the 3070 and perhaps AMD has something more conservative in that regard. Nvidia though does consider the 3080 their flagship as per their announcement. The 3090 OTOH is their Titan-class (the traditionally much higher priced and spec'd class above Ti).

The leaked model numbers show there's a 20GB 3080 on the horizon but that will be exclusive to AIBs and not coming from Nvidia so it's unclear what 'Super' or similar models apart from that will be released.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Thu, 17 September 2020, 00:16:23
It doesn't matter, 320w power draw is still completely unacceptable. This isn't a "TI" or a Super or a flagship model.
What i would find unacceptable is nVidia claims of 100% improvement where it seems to be about a 40% average... but it is now expected of them.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 September 2020, 08:22:43
So we're looking at ~1.4x raytracing performance on 3080 vs 2080ti.

Given that statistic, I think 3090 is definitely warranted.

The 335watt thing,  well, it's not going into an SFF build that's for sure. Unless it's an SFF that's not really that smole, with a giant 800watt psu. HHAHAHA
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Thu, 17 September 2020, 08:44:34

The 335watt thing,  well, it's not going into an SFF build that's for sure. Unless it's an SFF that's not really that smole, with a giant 800watt psu. HHAHAHA

well silverstone have you covered there :) it will be the cooling that is going to be a huge problem in a sff, one that cooler is huge and 2 it requires that your case do all the work of exhausting that hot air and that will not work that well in an sff maybe a crazy partner will make a blower one for those use cases
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Darthbaggins on Thu, 17 September 2020, 08:47:23
Now I wonder how these will fair in Folding at home. .  :cool:
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 17 September 2020, 10:11:52
So we're looking at ~1.4x raytracing performance on 3080 vs 2080ti.

Given that statistic, I think 3090 is definitely warranted.

The 335watt thing,  well, it's not going into an SFF build that's for sure. Unless it's an SFF that's not really that smole, with a giant 800watt psu. HHAHAHA

I wouldn't count on that.

It can fit an Ncase m1, however the front I/O would be sacrificed and heat could be an issue if all air but the Ncase usually struggles more with with the CPU heat than the GPU because you have two 120 or 140mm fans blowing directly up into the GPU but only a small 90mm for the cpu. However, if you custom water looped it, no problem, in fact it would work pretty good since the water block would be short allowing better airflow through the case than a normal card. There's a Lian-Li that's similar and now a Cooler Master (NR200), they might also do well, but both are a bit larger.

I do agree though, pretty much anything smaller is going to be a serious stretch, it's an oddity due to the way due to the layout. It's probably not going to work well in a Dancase or Ghost or any sandwich style regardless of size, there's just nowhere for the air to go in them and even on water they're a bit limited by air flow, but don't count them out, SFF people are crafty.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 17 September 2020, 18:38:15
Meanwhile cpu's have been stagnated for about a decade. Sucks that we need to rely on the gpu's power to build a faster computer these days, I kinda miss the cpu race of the '90s but suppose it is more convenient to just replace one bit of hardware rather than an entire system. Someday cpu's will reliably be a stable 5Ghz and up. I think it's part of why we are getting these insane workhorse gpu's now, because there's nowhere else to shoulder the brunt on a modern system.

Honestly what we need is a new type of computer that is not restricted by the bottlenecks of current clockspeeds. I keep waiting for that announcement, and they MUST be working on it being aware of the hard line that limits technology growth of the current cpu design. I have a feeling that technology is being suppressed to lengthen the life of the ailing current cpu technology that isn't really improving at all anymore.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: mr.squishy on Thu, 17 September 2020, 20:44:25
Honestly what we need is a new type of computer that is not restricted by the bottlenecks of current clockspeeds. I keep waiting for that announcement, and they MUST be working on it being aware of the hard line that limits technology growth of the current cpu design. I have a feeling that technology is being suppressed to lengthen the life of the ailing current cpu technology that isn't really improving at all anymore.
x86 just needs to die. We could advance so much further without the restrictions of x86, but it's ingrained too far into all of our tech so far. RISC could potentially get us somewhere new, but it's not enough.

On another note, I'm glad I kept my z170 oc formula. I'll be doing the bios mod to put a 9900k in and slap a 3070 in and be good for another 6 years. I'll probably snag a Sliger Cerberus to keep size down though.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 17 September 2020, 22:53:36
I'm not sure how much faster they can go with current Intel and AMD designs, 5ghz, sure at some point, too much beyond that I'm less sure about. Higher speeds in them are FAAAAR too depending on die and trace size, you can only divide so many times before you reach zero. Sure you can eek it ever and ever closer down to an atom, but at some point reliability will also be an issue. When your voltages get that low and the traces become more and more fragile even the slightest power fluctuation would fry it. And that's only half the problem, you also have Moore's Law, each jump in performance requires far more computing power, because it multiplies. It's not 1,2,3,4,5 it's 1,2,4,8,16.  Like spinning drives, I think we're nearing the end of the line for copper on silicon, it's certainly peaked if nothing else.

ARM was where myself and many others put our hopes, however if Nvidia buys them then that hope is dead and it seems others are starting to realize that as well. We've all seen how nvvidia acts when it has no competition and ARM has almost none. There's a few here and there but nothing on that level, and you can forget it on desktop. Sure Nvidia will push it but they'll also push the price once it gains traction. I consider them one of the least trustworthy companies, right up there with Comcast and big oil, I never trust them to do the right thing.

The greatest jump right now is in going to be in software design or a whole new architecture. We're starting to see the cracks in software as it was all designed to offset slow hard drives, now the drives are fast and the tricks that allowed spinners to run well are coming back to haunt us. I'm not sure how hard it will be for Windows to deal with this but I know Linux has been working on it for a while.


Mr. Squishy, can that board supply enough power to a 10900k? I know the chips fit and it can run newer chips but I'm not sure it can handle such a massive jump in power.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 September 2020, 23:51:27
Honestly what we need is a new type of computer that is not restricted by the bottlenecks of current clockspeeds. I keep waiting for that announcement, and they MUST be working on it being aware of the hard line that limits technology growth of the current cpu design. I have a feeling that technology is being suppressed to lengthen the life of the ailing current cpu technology that isn't really improving at all anymore.
x86 just needs to die. We could advance so much further without the restrictions of x86, but it's ingrained too far into all of our tech so far. RISC could potentially get us somewhere new, but it's not enough.

On another note, I'm glad I kept my z170 oc formula. I'll be doing the bios mod to put a 9900k in and slap a 3070 in and be good for another 6 years. I'll probably snag a Sliger Cerberus to keep size down though.


Mmmm..... idk,,,,  3080 better choice 4 raytrace,   but def wait for the AMD announcement october.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Coreda on Thu, 17 September 2020, 23:57:39
Nvidia has some exclusive benefits like CUDA which if one even dabbles in neural network stuff and the project supports it is a huge perf acceleration.

(Besides that I know a lot just want a beefier GPU for Cyberpunk in Nov so for some it's important the release timelines on new cards :P)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Fri, 18 September 2020, 00:49:25
Honestly what we need is a new type of computer that is not restricted by the bottlenecks of current clockspeeds. I keep waiting for that announcement, and they MUST be working on it being aware of the hard line that limits technology growth of the current cpu design. I have a feeling that technology is being suppressed to lengthen the life of the ailing current cpu technology that isn't really improving at all anymore.
x86 just needs to die. We could advance so much further without the restrictions of x86, but it's ingrained too far into all of our tech so far. RISC could potentially get us somewhere new, but it's not enough.

On another note, I'm glad I kept my z170 oc formula. I'll be doing the bios mod to put a 9900k in and slap a 3070 in and be good for another 6 years. I'll probably snag a Sliger Cerberus to keep size down though.
x86 does have some advantages, for one its retro-compatibility and its cisc approach although power hungry for some task lends itself pretty well at everyday computing, and with nVidia buying ARM i do not think it is the future anymore as my expectation from nVidia is doing the same thing they did with their GPU, pack full or proprietary tech that they do not even sell to anyone else, and end up failing from lack of adoption (Gsync, SLI, PhysX...) so maybe Power can take the crown... i guess we will see how it goes
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: mr.squishy on Fri, 18 September 2020, 01:07:08
Mr. Squishy, can that board supply enough power to a 10900k? I know the chips fit and it can run newer chips but I'm not sure it can handle such a massive jump in power.
Only a 9900k, but yes the z170OCF absolutely has the VRM's for it. There were overclockers setting records with the OCF's with 9900k's until the EVGA DARK board came out.

Honestly what we need is a new type of computer that is not restricted by the bottlenecks of current clockspeeds. I keep waiting for that announcement, and they MUST be working on it being aware of the hard line that limits technology growth of the current cpu design. I have a feeling that technology is being suppressed to lengthen the life of the ailing current cpu technology that isn't really improving at all anymore.
On another note, I'm glad I kept my z170 oc formula. I'll be doing the bios mod to put a 9900k in and slap a 3070 in and be good for another 6 years. I'll probably snag a Sliger Cerberus to keep size down though.


Mmmm..... idk,,,,  3080 better choice 4 raytrace,   but def wait for the AMD announcement october.

TP4 is absolutely correct here, but I'm less of a gamer than I used to be. Sure, a 3080 would be better for games with rtx, but I mostly want more power for encoding  and rendering. A 3070 for me will still be a gigantic upgrade over my 1070ti for 1080p/144hz and VR gaming though. I'm hoping to pick up the rumored eye tracking version of the HP Reverb G2 if it ever comes out, 3070 will be stonks for that.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 18 September 2020, 04:58:10
Only a 9900k, but yes the z170OCF absolutely has the VRM's for it. There were overclockers setting records with the OCF's with 9900k's until the EVGA DARK board came out.
I phrased it wrong, VRM I have little doubt, I believe they repurposed a few pins to get more power to the chip, but we're talking Intel, so it's not a surprise.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 18 September 2020, 06:31:17
, but I mostly want more power for encoding  and rendering.

See if you can buy cloud service for that, it's way faster, time/cost efficient to have your render done at the data center.

It doesn't make sense to wait 3 hrs for a render at home when the cloud can poof it out in 1 minute.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 18 September 2020, 07:48:59
1080 TI's are already flirting with the $200 range on eBay the past week. I'll definitely snap one up if they dip much further.

meanwhile...
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=GeForce+RTX+3080&_sacat=0&_sop=16 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=GeForce+RTX+3080&_sacat=0&_sop=16)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 18 September 2020, 09:41:54
1080 TI's are already flirting with the $200 range on eBay the past week. I'll definitely snap one up if they dip much further.

meanwhile...
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=GeForce+RTX+3080&_sacat=0&_sop=16 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=GeForce+RTX+3080&_sacat=0&_sop=16)


Tp4 also looking at 1080tis,    Great for video playback


Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: suicidal_orange on Fri, 18 September 2020, 10:34:24
1080 TI's are already flirting with the $200 range on eBay the past week. I'll definitely snap one up if they dip much further.
Still Ł300+ here (https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=GeForce+1080ti&_sop=1), even with stupid UK price premium that seems too high.  Not that I want one, you just made me interested :p
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 18 September 2020, 14:06:26
1080 TI's are already flirting with the $200 range on eBay the past week. I'll definitely snap one up if they dip much further.
Still Ł300+ here (https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=GeForce+1080ti&_sop=1), even with stupid UK price premium that seems too high.  Not that I want one, you just made me interested :p

it doesn't make sense to get a 1080ti  if you CAN fordz a 3070 or 3080. 

1080Ti  ONLY IF @ maximum p00r like Tp4.  Tp4 is really only using it for video playback.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 18 September 2020, 22:27:05
meanwhile...
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=GeForce+RTX+3080&_sacat=0&_sop=16 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=GeForce+RTX+3080&_sacat=0&_sop=16)
Proof that people are morons.

Edit:
It's possible some of these are businesses, maybe A.I., video editing, flight sim companies, but also companies that make aftermarket air and waterblocks needs these or they will be behind later, but there's also a lot of stupid people out there.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Sat, 19 September 2020, 01:34:24

it doesn't make sense to get a 1080ti  if you CAN fordz a 3070 or 3080. 

1080Ti  ONLY IF @ maximum p00r like Tp4.  Tp4 is really only using it for video playback.

well we do not have the same definition of poor, i can't afford a 200 euro GPU and food but i do not think of myself as poor or "@ maximum p00r" there are far worse everywhere
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 19 September 2020, 21:02:15
So it now looks like people used automated bots to buy, how many were scalpers has yet to be determined.

People are also using bots to automatically bid up 3080 cards on ebay, they aren't paying those amounts, it's just to screw with the auction, probably using hijacked accounts. EVGA has new cards going out weekly so all you need to do is delay the scalpers a week or two and the prices will start to tank back to what they should be. Unfortunately people have used this same bot system to wreck charity auctions.

Eidt:
The sellers are now fighting the bots by artificially inflating the numbers again. The reason being that they don't want to go through the hassle of a non-paying bidder which can take days or a week or two. They would rather pay the Ebay fees and resell the card again quickly.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 19 September 2020, 21:43:42
There's all these obvious fake joke auctions now. I see a dog, some boobs, someone flipping off the camera. What an embarrassment for eBay.

The worst are these *******s adding charity benefits to their joke auctions. God I hate this planet so much.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: mr.squishy on Mon, 21 September 2020, 07:30:35
, but I mostly want more power for encoding  and rendering.

See if you can buy cloud service for that, it's way faster, time/cost efficient to have your render done at the data center.

It doesn't make sense to wait 3 hrs for a render at home when the cloud can poof it out in 1 minute.

Right but cloud services can't also get me better gaming performance. Plus there aren't cloud solutions that I like for the work I do. Anyway, it's all just hobby work. I'm not losing money if I wait for a 3 hour render to finish. Squishy is patient.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Wed, 21 October 2020, 16:08:14
I managed to sell my 2070 Super for same price as 3070, so will try to grab one in 8 days.
For me it is simple swap, same money, 2070S -> 2080Ti jump in performance.
I wonder how many of those 3070 cards nividia will release on first day.
I'll be running Quadro K600 for now, at least I can have my desktop in 4K :D
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 21 October 2020, 16:51:32
I managed to sell my 2070 Super for same price as 3070, so will try to grab one in 8 days.
For me it is simple swap, same money, 2070S -> 2080Ti jump in performance.
I wonder how many of those 3070 cards nividia will release on first day.
I'll be running Quadro K600 for now, at least I can have my desktop in 4K :D

3080 Phinixx.. 3080..

Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 21 October 2020, 17:13:06
and here I am just dreaming of getting more than 19fps on medium settings while playing RDR2 :(
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 21 October 2020, 17:58:31
and here I am just dreaming of getting more than 19fps on medium settings while playing RDR2 :(

almost @ 24fps for that filmic look.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 22 October 2020, 01:42:24
I managed to sell my 2070 Super for same price as 3070, so will try to grab one in 8 days.
For me it is simple swap, same money, 2070S -> 2080Ti jump in performance.
I wonder how many of those 3070 cards nividia will release on first day.
I'll be running Quadro K600 for now, at least I can have my desktop in 4K :D

that's a good plan to sell off your 2070 super, but all the 30xx series cards have been so hard to get a hold of. i only know one friend who has one so far, and he got it through the nvidia employee gear store. you can tell how hard they are to get a hold of by looking at the scalped price of the 3080's.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Thu, 22 October 2020, 01:51:46
I managed to sell my 2070 Super for same price as 3070, so will try to grab one in 8 days.
For me it is simple swap, same money, 2070S -> 2080Ti jump in performance.
I wonder how many of those 3070 cards nividia will release on first day.
I'll be running Quadro K600 for now, at least I can have my desktop in 4K :D
have you got your buy bot ready? or are you hopping for nVidia to not be ****s and send enough cards out that the scalpers will not keep up?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Thu, 22 October 2020, 02:57:50
I managed to sell my 2070 Super for same price as 3070, so will try to grab one in 8 days.
For me it is simple swap, same money, 2070S -> 2080Ti jump in performance.
I wonder how many of those 3070 cards nividia will release on first day.
I'll be running Quadro K600 for now, at least I can have my desktop in 4K :D

that's a good plan to sell off your 2070 super, but all the 30xx series cards have been so hard to get a hold of. i only know one friend who has one so far, and he got it through the nvidia employee gear store. you can tell how hard they are to get a hold of by looking at the scalped price of the 3080's.

I know:( I hope I'll catch one, K600 I have in my PC just now (Ł15 from ebay) will run my desktop and simple adventure games for now, till I get 3070.

I managed to sell my 2070 Super for same price as 3070, so will try to grab one in 8 days.
For me it is simple swap, same money, 2070S -> 2080Ti jump in performance.
I wonder how many of those 3070 cards nividia will release on first day.
I'll be running Quadro K600 for now, at least I can have my desktop in 4K :D

3080 Phinixx.. 3080..



Naah, 3080 is sweet, but too expensive, 3070 price range is enough for me. I had top card before, 980Ti and then 1080Ti. I'm getting old now, less gaming and hardware bragging, so 3070 will be fine for my 4K casual gaming:)

I managed to sell my 2070 Super for same price as 3070, so will try to grab one in 8 days.
For me it is simple swap, same money, 2070S -> 2080Ti jump in performance.
I wonder how many of those 3070 cards nividia will release on first day.
I'll be running Quadro K600 for now, at least I can have my desktop in 4K :D
have you got your buy bot ready? or are you hopping for nVidia to not be ****s and send enough cards out that the scalpers will not keep up?

No:( I'm only hoping to buy one using my own hands and mouse:(

Does nvidia do anything not to let those bots buy cards on their site?
If I knew how to set up up, I would, just to get my 3070:(
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Thu, 22 October 2020, 03:28:00
Does nvidia do anything not to let those bots buy cards on their site?
i was just joking, hopefully, nVidia said, after the 1st batch was all sold, that they will implement a CAPTCHA to prevent that, although like for nintendo scalpers are good for business so how hard are they going to try to fight them remain to be seen but as team red as leak a document in which they seem very adamant to stop the bots hopefully nVidia will do the same, or they may lose market shares if AMD is telling the truth about their cards
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Thu, 29 October 2020, 08:59:04
Well, they release 3070 on nvidia site 5 minutes late.
Buy Now button transferred you to Scan UK shop, which site was immediately slowed down, going to checkout took 40 minutes after it wiped your basket. So there was no way to buy it.
Don't understand how retailer cannot prepare their system for such releases...
Mother****ers.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Thu, 29 October 2020, 09:08:17
Well, they release 3070 on nvidia site 5 minutes late.
Buy Now button transferred you to Scan UK shop, which site was immediately slowed down, going to checkout took 40 minutes after it wiped your basket. So there was no way to buy it.
Don't understand how retailer cannot prepare their system for such releases...
Mother****ers.
i do not think they even can, scalpers use bot nets to slow the site down even the beefiest supercomputer would end up throttled by the connection to the internet, and while they overwhelm the server they can buy the stock, dimensioning for that would require to overall all of the UK (for your case) communication infrastructure. they can mitigate but not prepare fully, and it will be the same for all next gpu launch, a few peoples saw they could make big bank out of that, they will continue...
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Thu, 29 October 2020, 09:28:32
Well, they release 3070 on nvidia site 5 minutes late.
Buy Now button transferred you to Scan UK shop, which site was immediately slowed down, going to checkout took 40 minutes after it wiped your basket. So there was no way to buy it.
Don't understand how retailer cannot prepare their system for such releases...
Mother****ers.
i do not think they even can, scalpers use bot nets to slow the site down even the beefiest supercomputer would end up throttled by the connection to the internet, and while they overwhelm the server they can buy the stock, dimensioning for that would require to overall all of the UK (for your case) communication infrastructure. they can mitigate but not prepare fully, and it will be the same for all next gpu launch, a few peoples saw they could make big bank out of that, they will continue...

Yep. Mother*&%#@%$^#($*%^#*(&....  :mad:
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 October 2020, 09:38:23
6900 XT  ??
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: mr.squishy on Thu, 29 October 2020, 09:42:06
69

Nice.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Thu, 29 October 2020, 09:47:42
6900 XT  ??

Nope, never AMD.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Thu, 29 October 2020, 10:16:13
6900 XT  ??
well with the hype around it the problem will be the same, scalpers are going cripple the servers to buy them all and sell them at very high profit, the only way to make them stop is to never buy their cards, so that they lose money on dead inventory, but we all know that it will not happen, at worse they need to lose .5 usd per card to sell them faster than hot cakes and that will be largely offset by the money they made before dropping the price.

i may be a tad pessimistic today though, given current world events, and personal life events
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 October 2020, 10:18:28
i may be a tad pessimistic today though, given current world events, and personal life events

Tp4 also deeply saddened by the Sharp TV-debacle.  Ordered the Sony 65 x750h though, hopefully it wurks gud'   Should be here Saturday.

Come on Japangineers, don'fail me nao.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Thu, 29 October 2020, 10:26:27
i may be a tad pessimistic today though, given current world events, and personal life events

Tp4 also deeply saddened by the Sharp TV-debacle.  Ordered the Sony 65 x750h though, hopefully it wurks gud'   Should be here Saturday.

Come on Japangineers, don'fail me nao.

historically sony has made quite a few improvement to TV technology, although i have not looked at TV for a while now, and the last was a Trinitron for my playstation and playstation 2 (from what i have read online best screens for them)... so my knowledge may be a bit antiquated :) and all the best things come from japan :)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 29 October 2020, 12:03:43
slept right through the 3070 launch, looks like i didn't miss out on a whole lot.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 October 2020, 13:03:33
slept right through the 3070 launch, looks like i didn't miss out on a whole lot.

did peeps get to order this time ?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Thu, 29 October 2020, 14:27:49
F*** no.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Mon, 02 November 2020, 12:57:59
Do we know when nvidia is going to fill the void with those cards again?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 November 2020, 16:35:00
Do we know when nvidia is going to fill the void with those cards again?

When Drumph loses the election.. Go out and vote Gekha. The Future of PC Gaming depends on it.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 02 November 2020, 21:58:23
Do we know when nvidia is going to fill the void with those cards again?
I guess you missed the stats on delivery rates (vid below)
At best Nvidia is only fulfilling about 15% of orders and this is after claiming they were manufacturing since June.

I'm totally convinced at this point these cards were rushed, big time.
No supply, 3rd party vendors (AIBs) not given gpus till last minute, drivers given to testers before AIBs, crashing... I think they knew AMD had something and they rushed this to beat them to market.

Skip to 32minutes 50 seconds (I tried to link to the time but it doesn't work). Seriously this is bad if you want Nvidia.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Tue, 03 November 2020, 00:35:53
Do we know when nvidia is going to fill the void with those cards again?
I guess you missed the stats on delivery rates (vid below)
At best Nvidia is only fulfilling about 15% of orders and this is after claiming they were manufacturing since June.

I'm totally convinced at this point these cards were rushed, big time.
No supply, 3rd party vendors (AIBs) not given gpus till last minute, drivers given to testers before AIBs, crashing... I think they knew AMD had something and they rushed this to beat them to market.
Whaat a company rushing an unfinished product to try to undercut the competition, never heard of that (example: intel 10th gen, saints row 4, intel Pentium D) although i do not remember nVidia having to do it.
and if the 6000 series is as good as it is said to be there is chances that scalpers may want to get rid of their 3080/3070 stock, so maybe not that bad (although in the best case scenario it is still only 30% will get them)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Tue, 03 November 2020, 02:22:22
Do we know when nvidia is going to fill the void with those cards again?
I guess you missed the stats on delivery rates (vid below)
At best Nvidia is only fulfilling about 15% of orders and this is after claiming they were manufacturing since June.

I'm totally convinced at this point these cards were rushed, big time.
No supply, 3rd party vendors (AIBs) not given gpus till last minute, drivers given to testers before AIBs, crashing... I think they knew AMD had something and they rushed this to beat them to market.

Skip to 32minutes 50 seconds (I tried to link to the time but it doesn't work). Seriously this is bad if you want Nvidia.

Sad days indeed.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Tue, 03 November 2020, 02:31:23
do like me, buy a last gen card, i try to get a 5600xt (although being cheap makes it harder than it needs to be...) plenty of stock of those :)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Sniping on Tue, 03 November 2020, 12:04:08
do like me, buy a last gen card, i try to get a 5600xt (although being cheap makes it harder than it needs to be...) plenty of stock of those :)

yeah this is the right way to do it. you get sucked into the launch hype of a new product and in cases like this you're just hunting endlessly for something you can't even get your hands on. promise it's not even worth your time. it's a damn graphics card kids
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Sun, 08 November 2020, 12:00:25
Is there any chance nvidia will get those 3070s back in stock this year?
Any predictions?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 08 November 2020, 21:04:41
There has been a bit of a surge of Nvidia cards, maybe they held inventory back in case AMD actually has something but most have gone toward system integrators.
Also an MSI factory went up in flames the other day, so I mean, that has to be at least 4 high end Nvidia cards lost.

What worries me is we've been so starved for cards for the last few years (due to inventory and lack of competition) that it could be months before things settle, not having a 3060 is also driving 3070 sales. I really hope AMD delivers, if so they can not only shift the market but would send a lot of cards into the sencond hand market.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Mon, 09 November 2020, 03:56:04
There has been a bit of a surge of Nvidia cards, maybe they held inventory back in case AMD actually has something but most have gone toward system integrators.
Also an MSI factory went up in flames the other day, so I mean, that has to be at least 4 high end Nvidia cards lost.

What worries me is we've been so starved for cards for the last few years (due to inventory and lack of competition) that it could be months before things settle, not having a 3060 is also driving 3070 sales. I really hope AMD delivers, if so they can not only shift the market but would send a lot of cards into the sencond hand market.

I'm hoping for 3070FE before christmas...
If not, I may catch that 6800, even if its extra money. It would be my first red card... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Coreda on Mon, 09 November 2020, 04:19:58
At best Nvidia is only fulfilling about 15% of orders and this is after claiming they were manufacturing since June.

Hmm, I heard from Gamers Nexus (IIRC) that they only began manufacturing in August, who was commenting on the narrow timeframes card makers have to design, test (which is hamstrung by Nvidia with their limited pre-release drivers) then produce them. It's kind of crazy how quickly they have to get stuff sorted.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 09 November 2020, 08:32:36
I'm hoping for 3070FE before christmas...
If not, I may catch that 6800, even if its extra money. It would be my first red card... :rolleyes:
If you plan on going ITX, AMD will be a lot easier, they're smaller and less heat.
If you use Linux, go AMD, F-Nvidia on Linux, it's worse than AMD ever was on Windows.
We've been waiting on an Nvidia driver that's compatible with the 5.9 kernel for several weeks now. yay.

If you use Windows, it may be a toss-up, AMD drivers have always been less good on Windows but they are working on it. Usually what I found was every other driver was good, and the odds were always terrible, but again, they are working on making them better.

If you're considering the 6800 be sure to check the XT. If you can get the 6800 you aren't far from the the XT, it's another jump from the 3070 but it's a lot more card for little extra. Either is good though and any of these are better than a card you can't even find on shelves. I don't expect Nvidia's supply issues to fix anytime soon, we're already into black November, people always save and try to get a deal this time of year, that means lots of people with money burning a hole in their pocket. It's sort of the perfect storm so keep expectations low.

Above all, wait for reviews.

Hmm, I heard from Gamers Nexus (IIRC) that they only began manufacturing in August, who was commenting on the narrow timeframes card makers have to design, test (which is hamstrung by Nvidia with their limited pre-release drivers) then produce them. It's kind of crazy how quickly they have to get stuff sorted.
Maybe it was that they stopped making 2080s in june... They did something in June.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 09 November 2020, 09:43:58
We've been waiting on an Nvidia driver that's compatible with the 5.9 kernel for several weeks now. yay.

For what card(s)?  My 1050ti is working fine in Arch with 5.9 and I've done nothing special.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Mon, 09 November 2020, 09:52:19
We've been waiting on an Nvidia driver that's compatible with the 5.9 kernel for several weeks now. yay.

For what card(s)?  My 1050ti is working fine in Arch with 5.9 and I've done nothing special.
you are using the opensource or proprietary drivers? the opensource ones will not crash on new kernels as it is built into it but have lesser performances as nVidia does not want to help develop it
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Darthbaggins on Mon, 09 November 2020, 10:03:16
We've been waiting on an Nvidia driver that's compatible with the 5.9 kernel for several weeks now. yay.

For what card(s)?  My 1050ti is working fine in Arch with 5.9 and I've done nothing special.
Pascal has had few issues w/ Linux installs/distros from my experience, but Newer gens seem to have issues. 
Around June was when Nvidia started messing w/ drivers more frequently again due to new game betas and launches.  I know I had some bugs even in w10 w/ my 1080ti, but my 1050 was unscathed (which I find weird but hey).
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 11 November 2020, 05:10:05
We've been waiting on an Nvidia driver that's compatible with the 5.9 kernel for several weeks now. yay.

For what card(s)?  My 1050ti is working fine in Arch with 5.9 and I've done nothing special.
you are using the opensource or proprietary drivers? the opensource ones will not crash on new kernels as it is built into it but have lesser performances as nVidia does not want to help develop it
I'm using the proprietary driver I think?  Pretty sure it was the only viable option when I did this install years ago.
Code: [Select]
glxinfo
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation

I know I had some bugs even in w10 w/ my 1080ti, but my 1050 was unscathed (which I find weird but hey).
Guess I got lucky, must be something advanced they disabled in the lower end cards which they decided to break.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 11 November 2020, 05:27:00
In command line try running (no sudo or anything):
nvidia-smi

If you are using the Nvidia driver it should tell you the version, if not it will error.
"NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Make sure that the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running."
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 11 November 2020, 06:06:48
Thanks, proprietary driver confirmed:
Code: [Select]
NVIDIA-SMI 455.38       Driver Version: 455.38       CUDA Version: 11.1
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 11 November 2020, 07:45:23
There's at least 8 versions of 455.38.

If I remember right (guessing based on my logs), 455.38-5 was fine on the 5.9.3 kernel but on 5.9.4 it completely died. Dropping to the Nvidia 455.28-(7?) driver worked until the kernel went to 5.9.6, at which point I dropped to the non-proprietary drivers just to get up and running, I didn't feel like messing with it anymore once I saw the alert about not using them. 455.38-7 and -8 are now out, both are experimental and 7 has already been deprecated.

I have a new SSD coming later today so I can experiment a bit more after I backup this drive for the move, I didn't want to bother just before an upgrade. Switching between proprietary and non causes my entire desktop and taskbars to get jumbled.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Sun, 15 November 2020, 08:50:59
I'm hoping for 3070FE before christmas...
If not, I may catch that 6800, even if its extra money. It would be my first red card... :rolleyes:
If you plan on going ITX, AMD will be a lot easier, they're smaller and less heat.
If you use Linux, go AMD, F-Nvidia on Linux, it's worse than AMD ever was on Windows.
We've been waiting on an Nvidia driver that's compatible with the 5.9 kernel for several weeks now. yay.

If you use Windows, it may be a toss-up, AMD drivers have always been less good on Windows but they are working on it. Usually what I found was every other driver was good, and the odds were always terrible, but again, they are working on making them better.

If you're considering the 6800 be sure to check the XT. If you can get the 6800 you aren't far from the the XT, it's another jump from the 3070 but it's a lot more card for little extra. Either is good though and any of these are better than a card you can't even find on shelves. I don't expect Nvidia's supply issues to fix anytime soon, we're already into black November, people always save and try to get a deal this time of year, that means lots of people with money burning a hole in their pocket. It's sort of the perfect storm so keep expectations low.

Above all, wait for reviews.

Hmm, I heard from Gamers Nexus (IIRC) that they only began manufacturing in August, who was commenting on the narrow timeframes card makers have to design, test (which is hamstrung by Nvidia with their limited pre-release drivers) then produce them. It's kind of crazy how quickly they have to get stuff sorted.
Maybe it was that they stopped making 2080s in june... They did something in June.

I have ITX case, plus need to have fans on one side, so 3080 fe is out. Also 2 slot fat only, 305mm long max.
Case is Dr Zaber Sentry.

AMD could be an option, 6800 or even 6800xt.
However, I dont know how they do RT. Is it same as nvidia?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 November 2020, 08:52:26
They is doin' dx12 Raytracn',  asssssuming console gamez will actually push on the feature, Amd should come out of the gate sooonish w/ m0ar rayzes
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Mon, 16 November 2020, 04:51:16
They is doin' dx12 Raytracn',  asssssuming console gamez will actually push on the feature, Amd should come out of the gate sooonish w/ m0ar rayzes

quite strange, i do not think PS5 would use D3D as it likely is an other BSD platform, so vulkan or sony API, if Vulkan RT could grow it would be great for linux/bsd/osX gamers
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Sun, 22 November 2020, 08:20:40
Waasssaaaa b*tches!  :D

[attachimg=1]


Next - LG CX48 :-*

Need to pick a HDMI 2.1 cable for these two.

TP, you're the expert, is this one ok (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07Y84BY1W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AXZ3JQ1GVFPIF&psc=1)?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 22 November 2020, 09:38:53
Waasssaaaa b*tches!  :D

(Attachment Link)


Next - LG CX48 :-*

Need to pick a HDMI 2.1 cable for these two.

TP, you're the expert, is this one ok (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07Y84BY1W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AXZ3JQ1GVFPIF&psc=1)?
JELLY @ max
(https://i.imgur.com/6Zwa0Hm.gif)

Have bought ugreen cables before, they've been good.

IDK if you guys have monoprice, but they take their cable ratings seriously, so if they say it works with 2.1, it will hit those impedance values.

Other companies might just take their shorter cables and say, yea 2.1, but in reality, they're not @ spec
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Sun, 22 November 2020, 16:51:40
Waasssaaaa b*tches!  :D

(Attachment Link)


Next - LG CX48 :-*

Need to pick a HDMI 2.1 cable for these two.

TP, you're the expert, is this one ok (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07Y84BY1W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AXZ3JQ1GVFPIF&psc=1)?
JELLY @ max
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/6Zwa0Hm.gif)


Have bought ugreen cables before, they've been good.

IDK if you guys have monoprice, but they take their cable ratings seriously, so if they say it works with 2.1, it will hit those impedance values.

Other companies might just take their shorter cables and say, yea 2.1, but in reality, they're not @ spec


TP approved, awesome then :)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 25 November 2020, 17:20:37
Black Friday and I STILL can't afford a 1070/1080/2070/2080

I was promised sub $300 prices!  >:D >:D

970 for another year  :'(
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 November 2020, 18:11:58
Black Friday and I STILL can't afford a 1070/1080/2070/2080

I was promised sub $300 prices!  >:D >:D

970 for another year  :'(

wait fur 3080rtx
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 25 November 2020, 18:45:36
Black Friday and I STILL can't afford a 1070/1080/2070/2080

I was promised sub $300 prices!  >:D >:D

970 for another year  :'(

wait fur 3080rtx


lmao did you not understand my budgetary restrictions? my cpu can't even run that thing.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 25 November 2020, 22:47:28
I was promised sub $300 prices!  >:D >:D
That was conditional on Nvidia and AMD fixing their supply issues.

My understanding is that at this point it's either going to be 3-4 months before resale prices start dropping or it will be closer to 16 months. We may be looking at still another year without a good supply of GPUs.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Thu, 26 November 2020, 00:56:05
I was promised sub $300 prices!  >:D >:D
That was conditional on Nvidia and AMD fixing their supply issues.

My understanding is that at this point it's either going to be 3-4 months before resale prices start dropping or it will be closer to 16 months. We may be looking at still another year without a good supply of GPUs.
how can they fix the scalper issue? AMD seems to have tried but failed, while nVidia just did not even bother and so far same results in both camps. it is in the hands or retailers to be able to fix it, if they even can...
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 26 November 2020, 01:47:30
Stop the scalpers? Easy.
Flood the market, that always works.

Everyone wants to blame the bots at the cart but truth is a lot of them never even made it to warehouses, a lot were bought in bulk right at the docks. This is usually miners and small vendors who do this but it does happen. The biggest problem though is simply supply and demand, there is A LOT of demand and a very limited supply. I don't think there has ever been this much demand for GPUs, even during the mining craze people were not spending what they are for new cards, this is just crazy. Mix that with limited supply due to COVID and you have a recipe for exactly what we're seeing. I can excuse AMD for underestimating demand, let's be honest, they haven't reelly been competitive since before the shortages started, much less Covid, and I'm sure their sales numbers reflect that. Nvidia on the other hand had to know, I think they saw AMD's headlights in the rear view mirror and it scared them into a paper launch long before they were ready. Think about this, had AMD launched first and then Nvidia dropped, Nvidia's pricing would be a MUCH larger issue, people would have flat out laughed at the 3090. Instead of AMD being a good cheaper alternative at the top end it would be people saying Nvidia priced themselves out of the market, too late and too expensive.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Thu, 26 November 2020, 01:59:55
Stop the scalpers? Easy.
Flood the market, that always works.
Both are fabless now, they have actually very little control over how many can be produced in a given amount of time, and while nVidia launch cards as soon as they have 50 in stock, from what was reported AMD tried to flood the market, and well failed.
Everyone wants to blame the bots at the cart but truth is a lot of them never even made it to warehouses, a lot were bought in bulk right at the docks. This is usually miners and small vendors who do this but it does happen. The biggest problem though is simply supply and demand, there is A LOT of demand and a very limited supply. I don't think there has ever been this much demand for GPUs, even during the mining craze people were not spending what they are for new cards, this is just crazy. Mix that with limited supply due to COVID and you have a recipe for exactly what we're seeing. I can excuse AMD for underestimating demand, let's be honest, they haven't reelly been competitive since before the shortages started, much less Covid, and I'm sure their sales numbers reflect that. Nvidia on the other hand had to know, I think they saw AMD's headlights in the rear view mirror and it scared them into a paper launch long before they were ready. Think about this, had AMD launched first and then Nvidia dropped, Nvidia's pricing would be a MUCH larger issue, people would have flat out laughed at the 3090. Instead of AMD being a good cheaper alternative at the top end it would be people saying Nvidia priced themselves out of the market, too late and too expensive.
and nVidia did now, they did the nintendo tactic and it worked, even though AMD has cards out everyone wants the lower end nVidia still, it is not the 1st time this happen to nVidia i do not think they were scared at all, just psychology dictate that if a product sells out instantly peoples will want to buy it even more so trickle the supply to make for free very strong advertisement, so it was a good marketing move on their part except if AMD had managed to flood the market but they failed, so nVidia won. and at least on nVidia's side some MSI (i think) employees did pretty much steal all the stock before it was sent out and scalped them on an alternative store (still owned by the same company though).
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 27 November 2020, 21:09:44
Well isn't that nice....

Nvidia's financial results appears to show that they sold 250,000 RTX 3080 and RTX 3090 cards directly to miners before retailers even had a chance at them. That's not $250k worth of cards, it was 250,000 cards. This was no accident, they planned this from the start and actually ended up over selling to them shorting gamers even more than they originally intended.

Oh, but it gets worse.
This appears to be a massive chunk of their inventory and they not only cut out the middle man (Newegg, Best Buy, etc...) but they also cut out 3rd party board partners (Asus, Gigabyte, EVGA, etc...) and took all of that profit as well. "Partners", I don't think they know what that word means.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 27 November 2020, 21:57:54
why would a hardware company cut a deal with btc miners and stiff actual consumers? that is crazy
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 November 2020, 22:18:58
Sigh.. crypto needs to die.. this is the second dumbest endeavor humanity has ever taken upon, second only to meat-eating.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 28 November 2020, 03:03:26
why would a hardware company cut a deal with btc miners and stiff actual consumers? that is crazy
Guaranteed sales, it was like printing money.
Regardless of estimations, they knew miners would pay whatever they they asked with no questions asked. They don't need benchmarks, store shelves, vendors, marketing, nothing. They know it will not sit on shelves for 3 months waiting to be sold or expect to be marked down for Black Friday. They can get full price, right here, right now.

Gamers on the other hand, yes some will buy a 3080 and 3090, but how many? Be honest, how many here would pay $1400 for a GPU if it was in front of them for sale? How many would wait for benchmarks? It's a far more fickle crowd and by shorting them it created an even larger artificial demand and hype machine that will carry sales even longer. Drop that same card in front of a miner and it's not a question of much but how many can they get.

They're in business to make money, but even still this is pretty shady. They shorted their core customer and screwed vendors.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 28 November 2020, 03:22:07
I would say I'd boycot nvidia for the foreseeable future (probably 20 years or the firing of their CEO, I have a good memory) and recommend anyone who asks do the same but sounds like they wouldn't care.  As such this news is just yet another depressing reminder how futile the life of a no-one is when you're not even worthy of being offered overpriced commodities.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: PadawanGeek on Sat, 28 November 2020, 03:39:39
Just to rain on some of the RTX 3xxx love here, and to reaffirm my love for Team Red....
(https://i.imgur.com/N0i9qIb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GzcjG0t.jpg)
Anyone else think I should have more RGB? :p
(https://i.imgur.com/9LGMCTk.jpg)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 November 2020, 08:28:03
(https://i.imgur.com/bHpPPyc.gif)(https://i.imgur.com/bHpPPyc.gif)(https://i.imgur.com/bHpPPyc.gif)

Sapphire Nitro is typically the best line of ATI cards to buy.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 November 2020, 09:01:43
I would say I'd boycot nvidia for the foreseeable future (probably 20 years or the firing of their CEO, I have a good memory) and recommend anyone who asks do the same but sounds like they wouldn't care.  As such this news is just yet another depressing reminder how futile the life of a no-one is when you're not even worthy of being offered overpriced commodities.

Tp4 is as anti capitalism as they come,  buhhh  Plz sell 3090 to Tp4 before you guys Killz Nvidia.. so yes BOYCOTT, get out so Tp4 can haz 3090.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Mon, 30 November 2020, 05:32:50
the only nitro that looks bad is the card i want... damn you Sapphire :) (what did they think with the 5600XT nitro? it looks outright ugly compared to all others nitros from the past and all other 5600XT...)
and well nVidia really seems to like giving peoples reasons to hate them but peoples still love them... and SO do not hold your breath for Jensen Huang to step down, he was the founder and he is likely going to be down with the ship if it comes to that.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: ergonaut on Mon, 30 November 2020, 07:50:12
I didn't even know that mining on GPUs is a thing anymore. Didn't they all move to ASICs a while backż
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Mon, 30 November 2020, 08:01:42
I didn't even know that mining on GPUs is a thing anymore. Didn't they all move to ASICs a while backż
for btc yes but quite a few currencies are impossible to mine on ASIC, some are even only possible to mine on CPU or hdd,  so yeah gpu miners still exists and also folding can only be done on C/GPU but i do not think F@H would buy 250k GPUs from nVidia
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: ergonaut on Mon, 30 November 2020, 10:10:26
Thanks for the explanation.

i do not think F@H would buy 250k GPUs from nVidia

LOL, yeah, that's rather unlikely. Although it'd do much more good than those miner parasites.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 24 December 2020, 02:00:57
I don't even want a 3090 unless the pc it goes in can fry chicken as I get winner winner chicken dinner!
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Mon, 28 December 2020, 15:10:51
Guys, do you know what kind of software I need to get to have those CPU/GPU on-screen stats?

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 December 2020, 15:47:24
https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html

It installs both the afterburner and the rivatuner oscreen display thing, you need both.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Mon, 28 December 2020, 18:27:11
https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html

It installs both the afterburner and the rivatuner oscreen display thing, you need both.


Cool, thanks, works like a charm:)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: PadawanGeek on Mon, 28 December 2020, 20:20:30
While my Sapphire Nitro+ RX6800 is a great card for the games I play at 3840x1080, I still hunger for that need for speed. So, I'd preordered an XFX Speedster MERC319 RX 6900XT (would have liked the RX 6800 XT version, but it's always OOS) and hope to get it sometime next month. I don't mind XFX because, to me, they're like PowerColor and Sapphire, exclusive AMD AIB's (at least, from the time they'd jumped from exclusive nVidia AIB all those years back). Besides, I find it ridiculous that MSI, Gigabyte and especially Asus, are asking more for their equivalent cards (in my neck of the woods, Asus price premium is often referred to as 'Asus tax').
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: PadawanGeek on Fri, 01 January 2021, 04:54:22
Okay, there was an issue with my CC (had lowered my limit due to not travelling overseas, forgot to raise it for the GPU purchase), Amazon had not bothered to notify me, I could have had the limit raised within minutes, and basically let another have my card (another guy who'd ordered his 6900 XT at the same day as me had already gotten a confirmation) and pushed me back to the next restock. Well, a big FU to amazon then, managed to get my mitts on a Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6900 XT and I went for it. It's a local card with local warranty and cost me about 100USD more than the MERC319, I decided not to play the waiting game anymore.

In case you're wondering, the RX 6900 XT is at the back...
(https://i.imgur.com/JMG51ZL.jpg)

in my rig, up and running...even with my 3900X, I have resizable bar or SAM (as AMD calls it) enabled with the latest BIOS from Gigabyte.
(https://i.imgur.com/KJn4557.jpg)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 01 January 2021, 09:09:31
Noiiice...  /maximum jelly
Title: Re: jeeteeEhkss 3090
Post by: korrelate on Fri, 01 January 2021, 15:36:25
this thread title gave me ****ing cancer

ROTFLMAO

"Nice Once, Centurion, like it, like it."
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: suicidal_orange on Fri, 01 January 2021, 15:47:23
In case you're wondering, the RX 6900 XT is at the back...
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/JMG51ZL.jpg)

Glad you said - moving a couple of screws, shrinking the logo and adding a tiny arrow pointing at nothing much does nothing to hint at the massive price difference between the two.

Who's the lucky recipient of your 'old' card?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: PadawanGeek on Fri, 01 January 2021, 20:31:44
Who's the lucky recipient of your 'old' card?
Oh, I'm selling it, already have a buyer and will meet later today (it's morning here in my neck of the woods), I'd offered a good price for it last night (a local unit with local warranty) and it's been snapped up already.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 01 January 2021, 22:59:26
wtb RTX 2070 S  :'(

or a 2070, or 1080 Ti, or 1080, or 1070 Ti.... really anything at this point is better than this 970.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Lanrefni on Fri, 01 January 2021, 23:22:38
wtb RTX 2070 S  :'(

or a 2070, or 1080 Ti, or 1080, or 1070 Ti.... really anything at this point is better than this 970.

Would love to replace my now 6 year old Strix 970,hopefully more gpu's get stocked soon.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 02 January 2021, 02:28:57
wtb RTX 2070 S  :'(

or a 2070, or 1080 Ti, or 1080, or 1070 Ti.... really anything at this point is better than this 970.

Install quak3 Arena. get 500 fps
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Sat, 02 January 2021, 09:46:15
All my games show max 60fps. Is it dictated by monitor's max fps?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: NoteMakoti on Sat, 02 January 2021, 09:48:11
All my games show max 60fps. Is it dictated by monitor's max fps?
Do you have vsync on?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Sat, 02 January 2021, 09:52:07
All my games show max 60fps. Is it dictated by monitor's max fps?
Do you have vsync on?

Probably yes
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: PadawanGeek on Sat, 02 January 2021, 10:00:26
All my games show max 60fps. Is it dictated by monitor's max fps?
Turn Vsync off if you don't want it locked at 60fps, but if games run smooth with no visual tearing, then leave it be. Back when I had a 60Hz monitor, I'd get >100fps while playing UT3, I didn't have any issue. And now, I have a 144Hz monitor and UT3 runs at >500fps and I still don't see anything wrong with it, and all the time I'd had Vsync disabled.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 02 January 2021, 10:11:39
All my games show max 60fps. Is it dictated by monitor's max fps?
Do you have vsync on?

Probably yes

You want to use the Variable Refresh Rate feature. on Nvidia it's Gsync VRR.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 05 January 2021, 04:31:32
Asus raises prices (https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/kqho5a/it_seems_asus_have_increased_their_msrp_prices_of/) for their Ampere lines.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: NoteMakoti on Tue, 05 January 2021, 15:04:09
I'm so fed up I might wait for the 4000s.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 05 January 2021, 18:11:32
That scalpers have become the norm and generally accepted makes me so damn mad at the general consumer. How stupid and selfish to pay scalper prices then turn around and complain. **** everyone who bought their kid a PS5 off a reseller, and everyone who bought a new GPU off a scalper.

It's like complaining about priests while having 5 kids tied up in your basement
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 05 January 2021, 21:27:26
Asus raises prices (https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/kqho5a/it_seems_asus_have_increased_their_msrp_prices_of/) for their Ampere lines.
Not just Asus, they all are expected to.
I also wouldn't be surprised if it effects TV, cpus and more as well. It's not an Asus problem it's a fab problem.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 05 January 2021, 21:29:36
Asus raises prices (https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/kqho5a/it_seems_asus_have_increased_their_msrp_prices_of/) for their Ampere lines.
Not just Asus, they all are expected to.
I also wouldn't be surprised if it effects TV, cpus and more as well. It's not an Asus problem it's a fab problem.

Didn't korea get dat rona under control ?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 05 January 2021, 21:36:32
[Didn't korea get dat rona under control ?
Doesn't matter if labor is back up to 100% if your facility needs to operate at 140% capacity to meet demand.

It also doesn't help if your entire supply chain is broken, they can't get the supplies needed to keep them running at the levels needed and demand is higher than ever. This goes for everything from art supplies to car manufacturers.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: phinix on Thu, 04 February 2021, 07:21:33
Hey guys, I haven't followed nvidia's card shortage issue for last month or so - how's the situation?
Are we getting RTX 30x series any time soon, I mean available for normal purchase? How's the production going on?
Do we know anything now?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 04 February 2021, 07:42:46
Hey guys, I haven't followed nvidia's card shortage issue for last month or so - how's the situation?
Are we getting RTX 30x series any time soon, I mean available for normal purchase? How's the production going on?
Do we know anything now?

Nope nothing.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Darthbaggins on Thu, 04 February 2021, 07:47:21
All we know is there is a 3060 coming, availability is another thing.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 04 February 2021, 22:22:13
You can actually buy 3090's easier than almost ANY other card at the moment.
I know of a few that are in stock but are local pickup only.

Good luck finding ANYTHING less than a 3090 and has more than 2gigs ram in stock.
Seriously, even 3gb 1060's on the used market are fetching good money. I'm giving serious thoughts to selling my 1070 as I can get almost $500 freaking dollars for the stupid thing. I was angry when they hit $300, then $350, but seriously, $500 for a 1070 is just moronic. I'm planning on putting my 4gb RX 580 back in and use that until I can get a 3060 or 3070 at retail with that money.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 04 February 2021, 22:51:02
I don't understand why the price has gone up , are they going to mining again?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Fri, 05 February 2021, 00:50:04
You can actually buy 3090's easier than almost ANY other card at the moment.
I know of a few that are in stock but are local pickup only.

Good luck finding ANYTHING less than a 3090 and has more than 2gigs ram in stock.
Seriously, even 3gb 1060's on the used market are fetching good money. I'm giving serious thoughts to selling my 1070 as I can get almost $500 freaking dollars for the stupid thing. I was angry when they hit $300, then $350, but seriously, $500 for a 1070 is just moronic. I'm planning on putting my 4gb RX 580 back in and use that until I can get a 3060 or 3070 at retail with that money.
i watched yesterday to get a new card, and even the R9 Nano i got 2 years ago for 79 usd now is fetching about 300 to 350 euros in France... if only it was not my only working gpu. could make a good profit :)
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 05 February 2021, 03:39:55
I don't understand why the price has gone up , are they going to mining again?

Have you looked at what Newegg?
It's a desert.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 05 February 2021, 06:33:05
Have you looked at what Newegg?
It's a desert.

Seems like 1060 6gb is selling between 250-300,  1070 is between 350-450..

Hrrrrrmmm.. Tp4 has an evga 1060 6gb ftw+,   Buhhh it's in movie rig. and everything's already calibrated/ setup
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: NoteMakoti on Fri, 05 February 2021, 15:40:53
I don't understand why the price has gone up , are they going to mining again?
Mining, people future-proofing for next gen gaming, supply messed up from the pandemic, people stuck inside and bored, and scalpers on top of the whole show playing their part.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 05 February 2021, 17:34:03
Does the 3k series even come in 6gb flavor? I was sure by now we'd have 8gb and 12gb cards. Even my old ass 970s have 6.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 05 February 2021, 21:43:51
Seems like 1060 6gb is selling between 250-300,  1070 is between 350-450..
Pricing varies depending on model, accessories, seller reputation and of course desperation.

There was a few 1070's that have sold for $500, not many, but a few.


Does the 3k series even come in 6gb flavor? I was sure by now we'd have 8gb and 12gb cards. Even my old ass 970s have 6.
3060 mobiles have 6gb
3060 desktop has 12gb
3060 TI desktop has 8gb
I have no idea why the desktop 3060 version will have more than then desktop 3060 TI but it will.*

I won't be surprised if the 3050 desktop ends up with 6gb but in all cases, be prepared for sticker shock, all cards are getting a 30-50% price hike. Scalper prices for everyone!


*source
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3060-3060ti/
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 06 February 2021, 08:55:37
Overall, Tp4 glad he's aged out of playing most vidya.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: SBJ on Sat, 06 February 2021, 09:18:45
Overall, Tp4 glad he's aged out of playing most vidya.
I'm afraid I am reaching that point now too.
Very few games hold my interest for long enough to get really hooked.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 06 February 2021, 18:04:57
Overall, Tp4 glad he's aged out of playing most vidya.

I dropped the ball in my 20s doing dumb **** like hanging out with friends, having hobbies, and going out of the house. But my 30s I'm playing more games than ever! It's like being a teenager again.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 12 February 2021, 00:49:05
lol used 1070s are going for $800-1000+ even the blowers are $750+
you can get a 1080ti for the same price as a 1070ti

  :confused: what even is this? what is happening?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: suicidal_orange on Fri, 12 February 2021, 02:58:17
lol used 1070s are going for $800-1000+ even the blowers are $750+
you can get a 1080ti for the same price as a 1070ti

  :confused: what even is this? what is happening?
Unforeseen post-Covid symptom number 63 - increased stupidity?
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: yui on Fri, 12 February 2021, 03:42:01
lol used 1070s are going for $800-1000+ even the blowers are $750+
you can get a 1080ti for the same price as a 1070ti

  :confused: what even is this? what is happening?
Unforeseen post-Covid symptom number 63 - increased stupidity?
just peoples that are clueless about PC and prices getting into the hobby, and *******s that are less clueless taking advantage of them
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: suicidal_orange on Fri, 12 February 2021, 04:20:39
lol used 1070s are going for $800-1000+ even the blowers are $750+
you can get a 1080ti for the same price as a 1070ti

  :confused: what even is this? what is happening?
Unforeseen post-Covid symptom number 63 - increased stupidity?
just peoples that are clueless about PC and prices getting into the hobby, and *******s that are less clueless taking advantage of them
Even if someone is unlucky enough to have no friends, family or colleagues who know anything a 30 second search would reveal old reviews showing that the new price at the time was less than the used price now - not doing this is only further proof of stupidity to me.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 12 February 2021, 10:15:03
lol used 1070s are going for $800-1000+ even the blowers are $750+
you can get a 1080ti for the same price as a 1070ti

  :confused: what even is this? what is happening?
Unforeseen post-Covid symptom number 63 - increased stupidity?
just peoples that are clueless about PC and prices getting into the hobby, and *******s that are less clueless taking advantage of them
Even if someone is unlucky enough to have no friends, family or colleagues who know anything a 30 second search would reveal old reviews showing that the new price at the time was less than the used price now - not doing this is only further proof of stupidity to me.

That's the price of NOW.  A person can wait,  but if the economy ramps up, and everyone goes back to slavn' , he won't have time to play computer games.

So the NET FramesPerSecond consumed is LOWER, even if a consumer gets a better deal later.


The only way to make up for it, would be ultra-high frame rate monitors from the future, where 500-1000fps is possible. Currently it just gets really smeary.  And you'd have to play alot of quake3arena
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 13 February 2021, 00:28:31
The only ones getting $700+ are new old stock or lying and claiming to be and they aren't selling, it's people fishing.

Used are (actually) getting $350-450 on average.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Coreda on Sat, 13 February 2021, 00:47:45
Unforeseen post-Covid symptom number 63 - increased stupidity?
just peoples that are clueless about PC and prices getting into the hobby, and *******s that are less clueless taking advantage of them

Could also be partially driven by Nvidia's lower GPU production forecast for part of this year.
Title: Re: yiiyargteeEhkss 3090 OH MY GOD <Updated>
Post by: Darthbaggins on Tue, 16 February 2021, 14:36:15
Pricing and availability are why I'm holding onto my 1080Ti (glad I have it under a fullcover block so I can push it's clocks and keep it cool for moar frames). .   Pricing is ridiculous even from retailers on the new hardware. 
If SLI was truly beneficial I would opt for another 1080Ti w/ a block and stay there.