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tp4tissue:
Why do we even use radio telescopes/transmissions.

If the aliens are out there, and they're capable of and "want" to observe or interact,  they're probably already here.  Signs of life are detectable even before humans, for millions of years.

Pre_warp aliens probably wouldn't bother coming, since they wouldn't be that much superior to hughmahns. and the Cost of a visit would be extravagant and less likely to Math out..

Faster than light aliens, well, they'd come down, look around and probably bounce.

In any case, wouldn't it be much easier to find the aliens ON EARTH (visiting), more easily than the ones IN SPACE.

Thoughts?  they iz here ? seen one ? sus ?



Are you an extraterrestrial? if so plz contact Tp4.

chyros:
relevant:

Leslieann:
The only reason for them to come would be to study us or we had some rare mineral or location.
We have nothing else to really offer them.

The bad part is if we do have something they want.
For a long time the prevailing thought was that if they had that tech they probably posses the empathy to help other cultures because how else did they survive long enough to reach that point. However, that's taking a human approach and even we're (really) bad about it. We have no way of knowing whether or not we'd just be viewed as pests, no more than ants to be crushed. Stephen Hawking warned against trying to contact other civilizations for this very reason.


I do think they're out there, just probably not here, it's just one big disinformation campaign, which the Air Force has admitted to doing in the past.
On the other hand, maybe they are here and they're using fossil fuels to terraform the planet for their own use.

tp4tissue:

--- Quote from: Leslieann on Mon, 15 August 2022, 19:18:39 ---
I do think they're out there, just probably not here, it's just one big disinformation campaign, which the Air Force has admitted to doing in the past.
On the other hand, maybe they are here and they're using fossil fuels to terraform the planet for their own use.

--- End quote ---

Animal agriculture is a significantly greater contributor to Climate Change, buhhh.... it's still pretty slow (for super smart aliens, I'd think).

There's possibly some _universe rule_, where you can't destroy a culture on purpose, but you can influence them and if they destroy themselves, you have salvage rights to their planet.   Conceivably this would satisfy your scenario of them being here meddling towards their own ends..

chyros:

--- Quote from: Leslieann on Mon, 15 August 2022, 19:18:39 ---I do think they're out there, just probably not here, it's just one big disinformation campaign, which the Air Force has admitted to doing in the past.

--- End quote ---
They're undoubtedly out there, it's a virtual mathematical impossibility that they aren't. Even the most conservative models for estimating the amount of planets with intelligent life on them have ended up in the tens of thousands.

That said, none appear to be anywhere near us. Although from an astronomical-biological perspective this makes pretty good sense.

Considering the universe is expanding (away from us) at an increasing rate, we're less likely to find aliens with every day that passes by, too. 

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