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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 16 January 2018, 07:00:20 »
Hi LifeZ
On the google form it says that you‘re not 100% sure if other PCBs (others than the Leeku pcb) fit the case or not. I‘d love to have QMK in mine, especially when considering that there are quite a few 60% PCBs with QMK support on the market. Could you double check that for us?

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #101 on: Tue, 16 January 2018, 08:13:42 »
The non-special 60% pcb is compatible.
You should check which layout the switch plate supports.
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #102 on: Tue, 16 January 2018, 08:28:29 »
The non-special 60% pcb is compatible.
You should check which arrays the switch plate supports.
So Nerd60 and FaceW PCBs are compatible, correct?
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #103 on: Tue, 16 January 2018, 08:53:07 »
The non-special 60% pcb is compatible.
You should check which arrays the switch plate supports.
So Nerd60 and FaceW PCBs are compatible, correct?
Yes. Nerd. Bface ,poker.... compatible
If you have a layout cad file, I can check compatibility.
« Last Edit: Tue, 16 January 2018, 08:54:55 by LifeZ »
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #104 on: Thu, 18 January 2018, 01:37:15 »
The non-special 60% pcb is compatible.
You should check which arrays the switch plate supports.
So Nerd60 and FaceW PCBs are compatible, correct?
That sounds good. So I can use my 60% standard PCB (FaceW, GoN60, GH60 etc) with one of your plates?

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #105 on: Thu, 18 January 2018, 02:06:00 »
The non-special 60% pcb is compatible.
You should check which arrays the switch plate supports.
So Nerd60 and FaceW PCBs are compatible, correct?
That sounds good. So I can use my 60% standard PCB (FaceW, GoN60, GH60 etc) with one of your plates?

It’s top mounted, so the pcb isn’t mounted to anything, it’s just held there by the switches.

The port is in the standard position.

As long as your pcb isn’t weirdly large, you can use any pcb you want. If you get a universal plate, you can use any pcb that supports any of the layouts the plate supports.

But if you wanted to use something more unusual, like a 64key with arrows, you could get a custom plate and use that instead.

There are probably a few random edge cases where the pcbs are poorly made so the port is out of alignment or the pcb is too wide or something, but those should be rare.

Any normal 60% pcb should work.

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #106 on: Thu, 18 January 2018, 02:49:51 »
The non-special 60% pcb is compatible.
You should check which arrays the switch plate supports.
So Nerd60 and FaceW PCBs are compatible, correct?
That sounds good. So I can use my 60% standard PCB (FaceW, GoN60, GH60 etc) with one of your plates?

It’s top mounted, so the pcb isn’t mounted to anything, it’s just held there by the switches.

The port is in the standard position.

As long as your pcb isn’t weirdly large, you can use any pcb you want. If you get a universal plate, you can use any pcb that supports any of the layouts the plate supports.

But if you wanted to use something more unusual, like a 64key with arrows, you could get a custom plate and use that instead.

There are probably a few random edge cases where the pcbs are poorly made so the port is out of alignment or the pcb is too wide or something, but those should be rare.

Any normal 60% pcb should work.
Yeah, you're right. Thanks for the clarification. I just need to sell a few stuff and then hopefully get a spot.

@LifeZ: Are you going to let us know once the slots are almost full? It'd be a shame to hear that you won't take any orders, right after I sold a bunch of stuff.

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #107 on: Sat, 20 January 2018, 03:29:39 »
LZ,

Will the PCB have the CLS branding on it like the one in your picture,
and do the diodes & resistors come pre-soldered?
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #108 on: Sat, 20 January 2018, 04:12:41 »
LZ,

Will the PCB have the CLS branding on it like the one in your picture,
and do the diodes & resistors come pre-soldered?

The CLS branding appears to be on the polycarbonate plate.

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #109 on: Sat, 20 January 2018, 04:55:32 »
LZ,

Will the PCB have the CLS branding on it like the one in your picture,
and do the diodes & resistors come pre-soldered?

It seems that the CLS mark is printed on the PC plate, not on the PCB,
and like LZ-CLS, all the diodes & resistors must be pre-soldered.

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #110 on: Sat, 20 January 2018, 07:19:35 »
Realized as I was making coffee this morning that the blue option would make for a killer SkiData-themed 60%.

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #111 on: Sun, 21 January 2018, 18:30:57 »
Would an extra bag increase shipping cost?

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #112 on: Sun, 21 January 2018, 20:32:07 »
Has it been said how much extra bags cost?
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #113 on: Sun, 21 January 2018, 21:55:36 »
Would an extra bag increase shipping cost?
Yes. Check the weight of the order, shipping costs are different.
1 bag is about 1kg.
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #114 on: Sun, 21 January 2018, 21:58:12 »
Has it been said how much extra bags cost?
1 bag : 30usd
and Shipping costs will rise.
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #115 on: Sun, 21 January 2018, 22:02:09 »
There is also a note on the order form.
I receive a lot of PM a day.
I can forget your message.
Please e-mail me if you have any inquiries for switch plates.
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #116 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 01:02:27 »
Real carbon switch plate sample.  ;D
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #117 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 01:13:48 »
Real carbon switch plate sample.  ;D
(Attachment Link)

Can we get custom carbon plates? or just aluminum/steel/pc?

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #118 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 01:23:54 »
Real carbon switch plate sample.  ;D
(Attachment Link)

Damn.  That does look nice  :thumb:
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #119 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 01:27:05 »
Real carbon switch plate sample.  ;D
(Attachment Link)

Can we get custom carbon plates? or just aluminum/steel/pc?

This GB include switch One of the options
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #120 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 01:50:43 »
Real carbon switch plate sample.  ;D
(Attachment Link)

Can we get custom carbon plates? or just aluminum/steel/pc?

This GB include switch One of the options

Yes, I ordered one. But can the carbon plate be done with custom layouts or only universal?

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #121 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 02:10:56 »
Real carbon switch plate sample.  ;D
(Attachment Link)

Can we get custom carbon plates? or just aluminum/steel/pc?

This GB include switch One of the options

Yes, I ordered one. But can the carbon plate be done with custom layouts or only universal?
normal carbon is universal.
You can order carbon + special layout.
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #122 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 03:02:41 »
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #123 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 07:14:17 »
Carbon fiber plates are more flexible than aluminum, but shouldn't bend permanently like aluminum would. Should make for a softer typing experience.

For reference, this is the carbon board I had experience with:

https://imgur.com/a/w3YwR
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #124 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 07:51:58 »
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #125 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 08:04:39 »
Interesting, rather the opposite of what I had expected then.

Looks pretty cool, however!

I would say CF is close in stiffness to alu, but much less rigid than sts. CF has a much different sound to it than metal plates as well. I use jdcaroe CF plate on my FMJ, but have sts on Eagle v2 and Hammer, and alu on other boards.

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #126 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 08:52:52 »
CF is extremely strong for how much it weights, but a standard weave like used on a plate, and the same thickness as any other plate, it's going to be less rigid than SS and around the same rigidity as alu.  It will sound like plastic.  CF draws added rigidity from special directional applications and weaves, and pound for pound, it can be massively stronger and more rigid than steel.. on the flip side, it can be woven to be very flexible too.
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #127 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 09:33:12 »
More pic
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #128 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 09:39:11 »
Is there a blue plate option?  Can we get one, please :)

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #129 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 15:28:45 »
I may have missed it if someone already asked, but any chance of ALPS plates?
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #130 on: Tue, 23 January 2018, 20:42:07 »
I may have missed it if someone already asked, but any chance of ALPS plates?

+1 hard to find Alps option now days.

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #131 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 03:06:22 »
Since I guess we're going to see more and more PCBs using the USB Type-C connectors: is the cutout wide enough for those? (~8.4mm)
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #132 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 12:18:19 »
 signed up awhile ago, but didn't receive a confirmation e-mail.  Should I sign up again

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #133 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 12:22:42 »
signed up awhile ago, but didn't receive a confirmation e-mail.  Should I sign up again

No, you're all good. LZ doesn't send out confirmations. Orders are open until the 31st, I believe then there will be an order check spreadsheet up to make sure you have all the bits you wanted.

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #134 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 18:15:21 »
signed up awhile ago, but didn't receive a confirmation e-mail.  Should I sign up again

No, you're all good. LZ doesn't send out confirmations. Orders are open until the 31st, I believe then there will be an order check spreadsheet up to make sure you have all the bits you wanted.
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #135 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 18:26:30 »
Hello,  :thumb:
Special switch plate order.
Plz, Do not send PM.  :D
Please, Send to me email  (lifezone2@gmail.com)
Email title : LZ CLS SH (user name)
and plate layout information.


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3. ANSI Enter
4. Split Right Shift
5. 1.5, 1, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1, 1.5 Bottom Row

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #136 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 18:30:24 »
I'd like to use HHKB layout - would it be better to go with a special switch plate, or will the universal plate be fine?

Order is for a CLS h with CF plate.
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #137 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 18:41:54 »
I'd like to use HHKB layout - would it be better to go with a special switch plate, or will the universal plate be fine?

Order is for a CLS h with CF plate.

universal will be fine
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #138 on: Thu, 25 January 2018, 18:49:27 »
Since I guess we're going to see more and more PCBs using the USB Type-C connectors: is the cutout wide enough for those? (~8.4mm)
I see,
I think, type-c connectors is no problem.
and This gb in. i can test.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93685.0

60% There are many kinds of pcb. And the position of the connector is slightly different.

If you have a pcb dxf layout, I can check.
confirmed compatible pcb.
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #139 on: Fri, 26 January 2018, 00:51:17 »
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« Reply #140 on: Sun, 28 January 2018, 12:40:15 »
Just filled out the form, and have two questions remaining:

1. I entered the specifications for the "Special Order Layout" in the form on the field "Request to note", is this alright or do I need to send an e-mail additionally?
2. How long will I have time to change the address, and will the change in shipping costs be refunded? I have entered my current home address (Europe), but at the time of the GB fulfillment will be residing in Korea, but don't yet know the exact address there.

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #141 on: Sun, 28 January 2018, 15:26:58 »
(If I should not ask this, please tell me and I will delete this.)

LZ, do you declare the total GB price when you ship packages internationally?  Will we see closer to $35 or $500 on the shipment label?

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #142 on: Sun, 28 January 2018, 15:41:18 »
Just filled out the form, and have two questions remaining:

1. I entered the specifications for the "Special Order Layout" in the form on the field "Request to note", is this alright or do I need to send an e-mail additionally?
2. How long will I have time to change the address, and will the change in shipping costs be refunded? I have entered my current home address (Europe), but at the time of the GB fulfillment will be residing in Korea, but don't yet know the exact address there.

1) gotta send him an email

2) pretty much until it ships

(If I should not ask this, please tell me and I will delete this.)

LZ, do you declare the total GB price when you ship packages internationally?  Will we see closer to $35 or $500 on the shipment label?

if i remember right LZ under declares, but i'm not entirely sure

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #143 on: Sun, 28 January 2018, 15:51:48 »
You never responded about a blue plate.  Possible?  Yes? No?

The blue is beautiful and I'm a big fan of a matching case and plate.  Just completes the package.
« Last Edit: Sun, 28 January 2018, 15:56:34 by reececonrad »

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #144 on: Sun, 28 January 2018, 17:58:45 »
Just filled out the form, and have two questions remaining:

1. I entered the specifications for the "Special Order Layout" in the form on the field "Request to note", is this alright or do I need to send an e-mail additionally?
2. How long will I have time to change the address, and will the change in shipping costs be refunded? I have entered my current home address (Europe), but at the time of the GB fulfillment will be residing in Korea, but don't yet know the exact address there.

Plz, send to me email.
Any difference in shipping cost due to change of address will be refunded.
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #145 on: Sun, 28 January 2018, 17:59:41 »
You never responded about a blue plate.  Possible?  Yes? No?

The blue is beautiful and I'm a big fan of a matching case and plate.  Just completes the package.
blue plate.no.


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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #146 on: Sun, 28 January 2018, 19:23:08 »
You never responded about a blue plate.  Possible?  Yes? No?

The blue is beautiful and I'm a big fan of a matching case and plate.  Just completes the package.
blue plate.no.

shame

i think grey case with blue plate would look really cool

maybe i'll refinish it if i go in on this
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #147 on: Sun, 28 January 2018, 19:39:14 »
Real carbon switch plate sample.  ;D
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Can we get custom carbon plates? or just aluminum/steel/pc?

This GB include switch One of the options

Yes, I ordered one. But can the carbon plate be done with custom layouts or only universal?
normal carbon is universal.
You can order carbon + special layout.

This is great.

I am a bit confused now: can we order only custom layout plates, or must we buy at least one universal plate per kit?

That is, can we get the included/default plate with a custom layout and one add-on plate with a custom layout too?

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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #148 on: Sun, 28 January 2018, 20:11:29 »
Real carbon switch plate sample.  ;D
(Attachment Link)

Can we get custom carbon plates? or just aluminum/steel/pc?

This GB include switch One of the options

Yes, I ordered one. But can the carbon plate be done with custom layouts or only universal?
normal carbon is universal.
You can order carbon + special layout.

This is great.

I am a bit confused now: can we order only custom layout plates, or must we buy at least one universal plate per kit?

That is, can we get the included/default plate with a custom layout and one add-on plate with a custom layout too?
you can we get the included/default plate with a custom layout and one add-on plate with a custom layout
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Re: [GB] LZ CLS s x h (Classic 60) : [Order]
« Reply #149 on: Sun, 28 January 2018, 20:13:23 »
You never responded about a blue plate.  Possible?  Yes? No?

The blue is beautiful and I'm a big fan of a matching case and plate.  Just completes the package.
blue plate.no.

shame

i think grey case with blue plate would look really cool

maybe i'll refinish it if i go in on this


There are over 31 options. You have to do all this alone.
more options will drive me crazy.
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