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Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« on: Fri, 28 October 2022, 16:10:52 »
What is it about? Does he think that there is too much chaos in the world, and/or does he want to gin up more emotion?

Will he try to make it more reliable and trustworthy?
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 28 October 2022, 16:12:55 »
I don't think he's interested in the politics of Twitter.  I think he wants to turn Twitter into a WeChat clone for the Western market.  There's a huge amount of money to be made.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 28 October 2022, 17:04:29 »
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 28 October 2022, 17:12:00 »
Twitter is slowly dying. Everyone I know is either off totally, or just uses it for business. Only companies, social media tools, and sociopaths use Twitter anymore.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 28 October 2022, 23:31:40 »
More chaotic? A little, but mostly no.
I think Elon stuck his foot in his mouth and is making promises he can't keep.

He wants to be a bastion of free speech but if he does, the EU will boot Twitter, Canada will boot Twitter and shortly after that Apple and then Google will ban Twitter. You can't just let anything fly so the speech rules will probably be retained unless he wants to just throw money away and I doubt he can do that due to what he used as collateral. So while lifetime bans may be gone and things will be chaotic for a short time I think he's about to get a hard lesson on how many trolls the internet really has, how bad some of these people really are and the lifetime bans will return.


On the other hand, he did just cause a mass shakeup that few are talking about.
What does undoing lifetime bans mean to Truth Social and Parler?  Both of those sites have money problems and this just ruined the main reason both of them exist, there's a good chance they won't survive.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 29 October 2022, 08:36:42 »
if they'd just adjust the algorithm to limit the crazy part of right wing stuff,  it's pretty straightforward.

left wing are war mongers (even more than the right),  their insistence on fighting russia is really dangerous.

the right wing, well they want nothing to do with CO2 regulation because they're entirely oil backed.


so we're choosing, between destroy the world through nv(lear winter, or destroy the world through climate disaster, 

The longer this stupidity goes on, the more likely we're to have BOTH.. and it really looks like good odds on BOTH right now.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 29 October 2022, 09:00:59 »

how many trolls the internet really has, how bad some of these people really are


So a guy who is supposedly very smart missed the memo on what has been happening online for the past couple of decades ?
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 29 October 2022, 12:33:16 »
how many trolls the internet really has, how bad some of these people really are
So a guy who is supposedly very smart missed the memo on what has been happening online for the past couple of decades ?
What you see as a user is a lot different than what you see as a moderator/system admin.

If anything, he's at a disadvantage, he's not used to being told "you can't do that".


left wing are war mongers (even more than the right),  their insistence on fighting russia is really dangerous.
War hawks tend to be far more right wing than left.

Don't confuse standing up to a bully with wanting to fight.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 29 October 2022, 12:46:43 »

What you see as a user is a lot different than what you see as a moderator/system admin.


Huh? You mean that it's not really as bad as it seems? That there really aren't thousands of Russian military bots grinding away 24/7?

But wait, I'm not a user of social media. So I can't really see or understand what it looks like from the inside, only from the outside.

"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 29 October 2022, 15:00:19 »
left wing are war mongers (even more than the right),  their insistence on fighting russia is really dangerous.
War hawks tend to be far more right wing than left.

Don't confuse standing up to a bully with wanting to fight.


we ARE the bully. 

Pu7in is an as5h0le and a desp0t,  but we're the ones bullying him along with the entirety of Rv551a through the cold war, and then south asia, we sponsored death squads in south america, then the middle east, and the rest of the world.    but our bullying cred has come to a massive limit as everyone else has caught up in tech and arms.    there is a very real limit to our capacity to sustain our bullying.

there's a very real possibility Pu7in calls our bluff. i assure you, b1den going on TV saying we HAVE A PLAN in case they nvk us,   he doesn't have a plan.   Not a single department is even willing to put their name on any real contingency, because there's simply NO WINNING a Nvkular war.

There was serious movement for peace talks a few months back between Vkra1n and Rvs, but the United States put a stop to that just like we did before we 1nvaded 1raq.  We are the biggest rouge war mongers on the planet and the only people unaware of this are the ones that live here.

So, what exactly is happening, we play until show hand, and everyone losses...

Shelters/ Bvnkers for the "Rich" are basically death traps, and they will not survive long enough for humanity to reboot anyway in the event of infrastructure failure..

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 30 October 2022, 13:05:35 »
The world is not remotely that black and white and please stop ignoring the fact that everyone is playing in everyone else's backyard.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 30 October 2022, 16:02:26 »
The world is not remotely that black and white and please stop ignoring the fact that everyone is playing in everyone else's backyard.

Of course, but here's the thing.

Does LLann h8 russians, do russians h8 LLann ?  The answer is no, both ways.

What are Oligarchs,  People who possess Wealth they can't efficiently utilize, and Power they can't handle.

These lines on the map, called borders are imaginary domains of the Oligarchs, not a division of the people.

The Oligarchs, the most a55ho1e set of d1sgvsting sub-humans, who have throughout history fought over who gets to exploit the people in their "imaginary" domain, to which they maintain through violence and oppression.


That's human history, and if we continue in this way, there's only 1 ending.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 30 October 2022, 17:55:30 »

That's human history


The US Constitution worked pretty well for a couple of hundred years, we were even on the long slow road to overcoming racism until the post-1970s relapse.
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 07 November 2022, 01:15:00 »
Elon's a little baby punk ***** liar hypocrite, someone needs to punch his face and remind him he's still human

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 07 November 2022, 10:53:17 »
What a week.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 08 November 2022, 10:20:53 »
Power corrupts the corruptible : (



Twitter is slowly dying. Everyone I know is either off totally, or just uses it for business. Only companies, social media tools, and sociopaths use Twitter anymore.


 I like twitter for amusing content, art sharing, and Funny news : )
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 08 November 2022, 19:48:02 »
Power corrupts the corruptible : (



Twitter is slowly dying. Everyone I know is either off totally, or just uses it for business. Only companies, social media tools, and sociopaths use Twitter anymore.


 I like twitter for amusing content, art sharing, and Funny news : )
The comment section is second to none


I feel like Reddit is better for everything you’ve listed here.  Especially comments. 

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 09 November 2022, 07:55:32 »
All of these social media sites have very polarized agendas.  they're also flooded with bots, such that you can't really tell what's going on.  it's a means social manipulation.

The problem here is, the vast majority of the population is not educated enough to deduce a more complete picture other than the pamphlet handed to them. They also don't have enough time wealth to cross reference history, alternative media sources.

Reddit will give you the Agenda of the Oligarchs, that's about it.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 09 November 2022, 09:06:09 »
All of these social media sites have very polarized agendas.  they're also flooded with bots, such that you can't really tell what's going on.  it's a means social manipulation.

The problem here is, the vast majority of the population is not educated enough to deduce a more complete picture other than the pamphlet handed to them. They also don't have enough time wealth to cross reference history, alternative media sources.

Reddit will give you the Agenda of the Oligarchs, that's about it.


The best thing about Reddit is I only see my subreddits.  I only see funny **** and keyboard stuff.  I have to click on “News” to see the bull****.  There is no bull**** in my feed unless I hunt for it.  So it’s like a safe space for me.  Twitter is the exact opposite.  I constantly get **** in the tip of my feed that seems so obviously placed there to make me angry so that I’ll further engage. 

No one should ever use social media for news, it’s that simple.  Go to AP news every other day and you’ll have a pretty good idea of what’s going on.  The rest is just smoke in your eyes. 

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 09 November 2022, 09:39:40 »

No one should ever use social media for news, it’s that simple.


That has always been my feeling.
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 09 November 2022, 10:12:45 »

No one should ever use social media for news, it’s that simple.


That has always been my feeling.


i think we should at least look at "the media", to know  what "THEY" want us to think.  what we think otherwise, if we're so privileged will occur independently.


at this point in time, i concur with the the main agenda, contain and mitigate Pu7n's regime.

I disagree that we should have more democrat control.

Just as an example, De-Nv(learization primarily happened under republican presidents.

America as a whole is very war monger, but we're losing every one we start. with nothing to show for it. so there is clearly deep rooted problems in supporting the military industrial further.

This is the case for all countries, but it's very bad in America, we're spending so much time and money on the military while critical infrastructure is crumbling all around us.  Very little steps taken to genuinely work on climate change.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 10 November 2022, 20:00:56 »
Multiple high level execs have now quit, including the FTC watchdog who was there to keep them from violating privacy laws.
The rats are leaving the ship.

Elon is also now saying bankruptcy is on the table.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 10 November 2022, 21:02:19 »

Elon is also now saying bankruptcy is on the table.


What a concept. Does that mean that it would sell off for a fraction of the previous $44B ?

Would anybody want it now? I just don't understand these things. Does it have value? Would it come back to life?

"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 11 November 2022, 11:12:56 »
Bankruptcy has several levels, for example one simply cancels debt, another liquidates everything, and there is some in between.

I don't think canceling debt is going to help them much.
Infrastructure fees are recurring, as is payroll, what else is there Twitter makes nothing. I'm sure they have bills/ they could vacate but it's probably not enough to matter. It could let him out of repaying any loans taken by Twitter but again, how much is that going to help? If it's not a profitable company it's not a profitable company.  As for Musk himself, it won't protect him from repaying the loans he took to buy it and I suspect he had to have used something more than Twitter "stock" to buy Twitter and get a good rate, he didn't use cash, and those banks will come for whatever that collateral was, probably SpaceX and Tesla stock, which he would have to forfeit and pay taxes on.

If that happens, he would lose not only the $12Bil he invested but will be taxed on those stocks when he trades or sells them, about $15Bil, and that's before any lawsuits begin and they've already started. Those could tally more than the 44Bil and if he has to cash out stock to pay it he pays that, plus the taxes, and worse as he does so, the price will crash on those stocks making him liquidate more and more of SpaceX and Tesla as he does so.  While I doubt it could go that far he could have just destroyed Tesla and SpaceX. I'm sure he'll come out smelling like roses, he has too much money but those companies may never be the same if that happens.


That however brings up a secondary problem though.
Once a company is in trouble hedge funds will pile on. This was what happened to Gamestop, it became their wipping boy. Need cash, short Gamestop. Price not dropping, spread a rumor and watch it fall. They do this over and over until it just destroys a company then someone like Mitt Romney comes in and buys up the rubble for pennies on the dollar. They will use the media, feds, and blatant lies to cause a stock to tank because if the company folds they never have to pay any of it back, and since they don't own that stock it's not insider trading. It's shady and speaks of questionable morals, but legally it's a bit of a gray area. So if they pile on Tesla and SpaceX, the former of which is well known to be massively over valued and the CEO is cashing out tons of stocks it's only a matter of time before those hedgefunds start circling. Right or wrong, once they smell blood and start to circle it's not easy to recover.

I have no idea how far this will go.
I'm not saying Musk is dumb, he's not, but even smart people need lawyers and a good lawyer, I would think, would have kept him from doing this in the first place, though that may have been what happened when he tried to bail out of the deal. So have no idea what to expect, this is just spitballing end game worst case scenarios and there are many people, and smarter people than me doing it.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 11 November 2022, 16:09:08 »

Once a company is in trouble hedge funds will pile on.


So at best Musk will get a painful spanking.

Clearly Tesla and SpaceX will continue to exist since they are legitimately solid and valuable endeavors, but could Twitter just go away ?

Since I don't use social media (although I suppose that daily posts on the keyboard forum could fall under the greater conceptual umbrella of "social") it does not impinge on my life in any direct way. Twitter could evaporate forever at midnight tonight and I would not be able to tell except to hear other people discuss it, so * to me * it would simply cease to exist without leaving a ripple.

Is there still any residual value to it, even after the colossal taint of this affair ?


"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 11 November 2022, 20:02:52 »
Power corrupts the corruptible : (



Twitter is slowly dying. Everyone I know is either off totally, or just uses it for business. Only companies, social media tools, and sociopaths use Twitter anymore.


 I like twitter for amusing content, art sharing, and Funny news : )
The comment section is second to none


I feel like Reddit is better for everything you’ve listed here.  Especially comments.

With the Reddit there are less images
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 11 November 2022, 20:38:58 »
So at best Musk will get a painful spanking.
He already is, turns out the stock he sold earlier in the week ($4bil) was to keep the lights on. He's not personally into this for $12B, he's now in it for $16B (about $20B after taxes).
Bet he wishes he'd paid that $1B bailout offer now.

Tesla was $208 last week, now $195, but could just be typical market forces at play, but Apple went up as much as Tesla went down.


Any residual value was lost last night when someone faked being a drug company pledging free insulin, that post stayed up for hours (no support staff). Others saw it and got on board doing similar with major companies including Tesla and SpaceX. No major company is going to stick around when anyone can fake being them and post lies.

And now the lawsuits start.
Companies hurt by the fake posts, advertisers will want refunds, co-investors will want refunds, banks will want their collateral. He violated multiple state labor laws by breaking contracts. People who were about to be vested for stock who were laid off just prior to avoid paying them will also sue (they already have started the process). There is also NO REFUNDS on blue checks, hope you didn't pay a year in advance... That's just the beginning. And what jury is going to feel bad for Musk in this situation. Good luck finding an impartial jury, we all saw this play out in real time because he wanted it to and few will feel bad for the richest man in the world screwing over the average worker. I suspect most will be settled out of court for this very reason. This is going to hurt.

Twitters value to Elon should be measured in the negatives. It's not an asset it's an anchor.
Someone might be able to turn the ship around but don't forget, Twitter was already bleeding money when he bought it. It's going to be pennies on the dollar.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 11 November 2022, 21:54:01 »

Someone might be able to turn the ship around


I guess that was my point, to me it just sounded like "Good riddance"

But is Twitter "too big to fail" and somebody will feel compelled to keep it running?
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #29 on: Sat, 12 November 2022, 02:37:13 »
Please excuse me while I shed tears into my food stamps and overdue bills for poor poor Elon

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #30 on: Sat, 12 November 2022, 15:09:14 »
I guess that was my point, to me it just sounded like "Good riddance"

But is Twitter "too big to fail" and somebody will feel compelled to keep it running?
Very much not too big to fail.
What necessary service or goods do they provide? Nothing your website or Facebook page can't do, so other than saving jobs, and Musk already took care of many of those, there's little to save. It won't even help preserve their stock price since Musk bought it outright so I can't see any gov, trying to save it, though Saudi Arabia does own a large chunk of it. .


Will someone want it, probably but they'll have to rebuild it.
It's going to basically require destroying the company in order to keep it running, and I mean a very deep restructuring, they had a massive money problem even before Musk stepped in, that was why he made so many hardcore cuts and why execs literally popped champagne when he made the offer, which should tell you something. It was already a sinking ship of Titanic proportions and Musk being on the board should have known better. 


How do you save it and retain it?  You probably can't.
Musk wanted it to be no more than 5% bots and while I'm sure this was just a ploy to get out of the sale I suspect the number is actually more like 40-80% of active users are bots. Think about Ashley Madison the "dating" site, bots were what kept everything going there and that was a just a dating site, imagine what countries, politicians, companies or celebrities will spend on bots to promote themselves or their agenda, and bots are CHEAP. Like really, really cheap. Twitter runs on bots as does Facebook. So what happens when they go and user count drops 80%, users and advertisers will see it for what it really is, a dry and dusty ghost town with a soap box preacher or snake oil salesman on every corner.

You can't charge for basic use and serve ads after it was already free, pretty much no company ever makes that transition and survives. Worse, Musk wanted to charge the very people who brought users to Twitter and if the bulk of other users are bots, who's actually left to pay? You can't monetize bots and they suck up resources. It's not sustainable. Worse still, you can't pivot a social media site that's already peaked. Popular websites are like lightening in a bottle, you can't predict what will work and what won't and once it peaks, it's over. Social media is even worse on that front because it's user generated content, they leave, so does the content, and users are fickle as hell and they have plenty of other options, most of which are free.

Maybe Twitter will crash and burn and become exactly what it is supposed to be, a quick way to distribute information but without all of the celebrity and political hype, or it's domain could wind up being used for a knock-off dating site while it's logo sells kitty litter. Hard to say. If that sounds dire for Twitter, it is but it was never going to stay as it was.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #31 on: Sat, 12 November 2022, 18:58:07 »

a quick way to distribute information


It would suit me fine to see the entire platform evaporate, but what is this "information" that is to be distributed?

Would anybody ever trust it any more? Or is the concept of "trust" outmoded altogether?
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #32 on: Sat, 12 November 2022, 23:32:51 »
Anyone else think he's purposely sabatoging it to burn Twitter to the ground? If so, that's fine.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 13 November 2022, 08:02:41 »

 he's purposely sabatoging it


That would be the obvious answer - except that his monetary losses are so great.
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 13 November 2022, 11:57:28 »
It would suit me fine to see the entire platform evaporate, but what is this "information" that is to be distributed?

Would anybody ever trust it any more? Or is the concept of "trust" outmoded altogether?
And that is the biggest issue they now face, not just from the public but advertisers as well.
If you can't protect your brand, you're not going to remain, this was something already coming to a head even before Musk took over. Tony the Tiger's Twitter has an entire team dedicated to removing furry porn and comments that gets posted to it.

Honestly, I think many companies would love nothing more than for it to evaporate.
Besides dealing with stuff like that it's a support nightmare. Got a problem a company won't help you with, shame them on Twitter and suddenly the company becomes far more apologetic.

As for what info, tornado info, hurricane info, Amber alerts... Again, nothing you couldn't do on a website or Facebook or something.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 15 November 2022, 13:21:26 »
I think you touched on the major point here about brands and their weight on twitter.  My take:

Musk is petty.  Musk is vain.  Musk wants to leave his stamp on humanity so bad it hurts to watch.  Did he ever read Ozymandias?  Maybe not. Anyway… here goes.

He really doesn’t like being held accountable by groups of people.  Government, investors, the press.  Man has a big authority issue.  I think he sees twitter as the spearhead of cancel culture.  A place where you can say what you want in theory but only if it doesn’t anger the people in charge.  You see how he might have a problem with that. It’s kinda what Kanye is up to as well (Dave Chapel touched on it in his SNL monologue).

I don’t think saying “I hate transgender people” is a good thing.  I don’t think it’s a simple opinion like “I hate broccoli.”   But having someone banned from twitter over their opinion is a tricky issue. 

I must admit, I hate Donald Trump.  I think I hate everyone who identifies as “MAGA”.   I could say as much on twitter, and probably not face any repercussions, right?  But Musk and conservative thinkers see this as a double standard.  Musk wants a twitter where anyone can express their opinion, whether you agree or not. His problem is, there are currently people who influence what can and can’t be said.  Those people are the advertisers. 

I think he wants them to leave.  Even at the cost of sinking the platform. If he can’t fix it, it’s not worth saving. He needs a twitter that isn’t beholden to advertisers at all.

So how the F do you run this behemoth platform or anything on that internet without big corporate ad revenue?   You run slim.  Fire as many as you can and still operate.  All of those micro services he’s talking about shutting down, all of this talk about wanting twitter to run faster… get rid of the **** that corporations use to track user interactions.   You no longer need it.  Not worried about censoring content, I bet that’s a lot of processes  and employees that you can lop off. Charge a small fee to “use” twitter and everyone will leave.   But if you call it a way to verify information (twitter blue), people see it as a perk. 

In short, burn what’s there and see if you can regrow without the virus that is corporate influence.


I don’t think humans are capable of interacting online in a mostly humane manner without oversight .  I don’t think that what he’s trying to accomplish can work.  I also don’t like to think that companies like Kellogg’s and Johnson and Johnson are a major reason why Nazis aren’t holding more public offices,  but that could be the case.

Anyway, it's just a guess.  No one knows how this will all turn out.  But I can see where he may think he's doing the right thing.  Maybe he is.  Just thinking out loud.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #36 on: Wed, 16 November 2022, 00:05:07 »
Bet he wishes he'd paid that $1B bailout offer now.

That wasn't a bailout offer.  It was more complicated than that. I'm sure he wishes he could have...

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #37 on: Wed, 16 November 2022, 03:22:32 »
Musk wants a twitter where anyone can express their opinion, whether you agree or not.

He's shown he doesn't even care about that, it's agree with what he says or you get banned, or fired.

Twitter is now his personal playground, nothing more and at some point everyone is going to get angry enough to just take their balls and go home.
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"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 16 November 2022, 19:32:38 »
Basically he's making Twitter both a startup and going through restructuring.

And while it may seem like a good idea on the surface the most capable people are going to be the ones leaving voluntarily causing brain drain. Worse, they all know a lot about social media and even worse still, Twitter is quite old in terms of the internet, care to guess what these people will run off and build? Not saying it's easy to start from scratch but no one really appreciates old social media sites. I would bet almost anything that in a few years a new social media site will come of age and wipe Twitter out and it will be ex employees that do it.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 16 November 2022, 21:38:43 »
i love it so much i might actually make an account and pretend to be allah

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 17 November 2022, 08:47:24 »

in a few years a new social media site will come of age and wipe Twitter out


So Twitter is enough of a juggernaut to have the momentum to continue for years?

Social media is just an alien universe that I seem to understand less every day.

I started using these "computer" contraptions in the 1980s and hooked them up to the interwebs in the 1990s, and then I guess I just never evolved any further.
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 17 November 2022, 10:19:31 »
Musk is now talking about building Twitter 2.0 with super long hours like a startup.
Oh boy...
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 17 November 2022, 21:00:51 »
Apparently Twitter just sent a notice to employees.
All buildings are temporarily closed and all badge access is now disabled.

Twitter's front page is full of R.I.P. Twitter posts.


One report states that 75% of Twitter employees took Musk's 3 month severance offering, on top of those he laid off already.
Wow.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 18 November 2022, 07:31:48 »
I used to think that Trump epitomized hubris.

Clearly, Musk has over-topped him.
 
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 18 November 2022, 11:06:22 »
So apparently one of the people let go was in charge of badges and doors... Everyone including Musk was locked out... They had to have him come back, and fix it... Good job! This was after he had to re-hire the first two engineers he fired, that happened just prior to the email going out. He's a cat in a China shop*.

Musk also posted memes last night about how Twitter was dead and how Twitter 2.0 is going to rise from the ashes. So yeah, he acknowledges its dead. He also bragged about how it was setting records for users as it was dying, everyone loves to watch the train wreck, especially if it involves lots of hubris.


Not sure why he thinks it's so funny but he's about to find out it's not, no one wants to work for him and advertisers no longer trust him.
How will you build a new Twitter without any employees? Offshore it to India, yeah, that will work well. Even if you do, no advertiser is going to want to join until it's very much proven itself, and worst of all, the odds of rebuilding Twitter from the ground up are extremely slim. Social media rarely survives modest changes, in fact just look at what happened at every change he's made, yes it brought people to watch and laugh but advertisers fled. I also don't think he understands the mess he's made financially, yes these employees are leaving "willingly" (sort of like the military being volluntold), but there's many who didn't and a lot of people spent a looooot of money on this for him to crash it to the ground and then mock the whole thing, they're going to come for that money.

I think he thinks he's starting with a clean slate but is in fact starting with a ton of baggage hanging over his head and how is Twitter 2.0 different than Twitter 1.0 and still be Twitter or different than what he's already shown or described (and laughed at)?



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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 18 November 2022, 16:38:16 »
This is the best outcome we could have all hoped for. Twitter burning and imminently shutting down, and Elon losing face+money and looking like a twat.
It's so good! Best of all Worlds! Very happy all-around with how this has panned out.  :-*

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"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #48 on: Sun, 20 November 2022, 02:39:18 »
*knows there is a rampant problem with impersonation and bots

*sets up a user poll to reinstate controversial people

****ing pure genius

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 20 November 2022, 03:08:03 »
This is the best outcome we could have all hoped for. Twitter burning and imminently shutting down, and Elon losing face+money and looking like a twat.
It's so good! Best of all Worlds! Very happy all-around with how this has panned out.  :-*

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 21 November 2022, 01:18:46 »
Rule by mob, who had that on their Twitter BINGO card?
That will totally allay any concern advertisers have... /s


I can't confirm anything below this as it came in through the grapevine (or much of anything said in this entire thread to be honest) so take it with a grain of salt...
Apparently Tesla people were brought in to help and decide who to keep and who to fire and instead of using the internal chat system, where everyone could see what was said (internal Twitter system), and since they couldn't use MS Teams like at Tesla they turned to Slack and being unfamiliar with it they unknowingly left the chat open to the public and it was found. This contained all the sh*t talking and making plans to fire people legal or not and apparently screen grabs were taken.

Also, look at the picture of Musk talking about the 1AM push... Notice anything? No, not that they're unhappy, of course they aren't. It was pointed out that most are the H1B visa workers who can't quit without being deported. That's most of the workforce now.  Oh and about those ads, all finance sectors have left, ad revenue, even payroll has quit. So even if you stay, you may not get paid on time.

Forget the chaos (which is high), forget the ad revenue (which is low), the lawsuits may be the thing that ultimately dooms Twitter.


I cannot wait for the Amazon or Netflicks Twitter docu-drama when it eventually drops, that is going to be flat out amazing, you couldn't make this up if you tried. 
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #51 on: Mon, 21 November 2022, 08:23:10 »
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 21 November 2022, 14:09:00 »
my personal opinion is that musk is the most useless ceo. he just posts memes or plays with twitter, without doing anything well or useful. twitter should just burn and die already, with what elon does to it.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 21 November 2022, 16:34:00 »
Deleted my account today.   :p

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 02 December 2022, 12:44:38 »
Woo-hoo !

Here was something that I knew was "in the works" but did not expect to see happen any time soon :

https://www.fec.gov/updates/fec-approves-final-rule-on-internet-communication-disclaimers-two-notices-of-proposed-rulemaking-and-advisory-opinion/

TL;DR - The new rule requires a clear and conspicuous disclaimer to appear on certain public communications placed for a fee on another person’s website, digital device, application, or advertising platform.
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #55 on: Wed, 14 December 2022, 10:28:18 »
This is getting to be a seriously Trump-esque maneuver.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twitter-shakeup.html

And is Musk too stupid to know that Miami will be under water in his lifetime?

https://gimenez.house.gov/press-releases?ID=C1279EDE-476F-4937-BB17-F1CA2187ADBB
« Last Edit: Wed, 14 December 2022, 10:33:02 by fohat.digs »
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 14 December 2022, 12:48:56 »
And is Musk too stupid to know that Miami will be under water in his lifetime?
It already floods downtown during king tide, a good tidal surge from a nearby hurricane will destroy it. They've gotten extremely lucky so far.


Summary for those who didn't bother to click or read other articles:
Musk is now denying severance pay for many people, sometimes not even giving a reason(particularly for execs), others have yet to even receive the paperwork and they're talking about not paying it regardless (I guess it helps to have an HR team to handle this but he lost them as well).

This will trigger lawsuits, but he let go many of the lawyers who would typically handle this sort of thing (subject of the above linked article).

Twitter also hasn't paid rent in months, apparently he hopes to renegotiate the rent.  HAHAHAHAHAHA
Ever wonder why you see so many business suites or strip malls go unrented? It's because real estate people can carry over losses year to year, they have no incentive to bargain. It's in their best interest to let a properly go unrented than negotiate a better price. Trump carried losses for almost 20 years.

Also, with how Musk has handled this, how well do you think Twitter will do when it tries to recruit new talent?


Side note,
Tesla stock has dropped over 25% in a little over a month (not sure about SpaceX). It's estimated he's no longer the richest person.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 16 December 2022, 18:52:07 »
not mine, but so accurate

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 16 December 2022, 21:03:57 »
Idk if it's as complicated as all that,  you can tell reddit is hell bent on the fud, but tbh, I don't think any large number real platform users actually care one way or the other. The news cycle makes it seem more lively than it is.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 22 December 2022, 10:22:25 »
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 30 December 2022, 12:31:55 »
2022-12-30 from D. Butch:

"Twitter employees were not authorized to discuss the subject, although the article says some employees were worried that shutdowns would cause problems (like people having trouble with access and login, maybe?).  It appears that saving money is now a critical goal and Musk doesn’t care who or what he tramples in the process.

Twitter has stopped paying rent on their Seattle office, leading them to face eviction, has stopped paying millions of dollars in rent and services, etc.  (I like the part about employees having to bring their own toilet paper.)  He’s laid off or fired nearly 75% of the companies employees since completing the purchase in October.  With no communications department left, nobody was available for comment.  If they’ve also gotten rid of most of sales staff, I suspect even advertisers who still WANT to place ads on Twitter will have problems (and I’ve seen other articles indicating that there are problems getting hold of anyone at Twitter sales).

I’d expect ad sales revenue to really crater in the new year.  We’ll get a chance to see how well the $8 blue check works (or bounces).

Further on, the article discusses orders to managers (the few remaining, I suppose) to go to “zero based budgeting” and delay paying vendors (even more?) while trying to negotiate lower prices.  A specific mention was made of skipping payments to KPMG — which has been working with the FTC on “compliance issues”.  This could get interesting if the FTC gets PO’d.

Cuts in New York and in the San Francisco HQ office are also mentioned, along with Twitter having to hire people to replace terminated employees — but they only get 90 minutes of training and orientation, compared to three days.  If they are going into technical support, I foresee some glorious data center disaster articles coming out in El Reg (the Register) in coming weeks."

"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #61 on: Sat, 31 December 2022, 03:12:44 »
Tesla is worth HALF what it was when he signed the papers for Twitter.

Something you should note is when short sellers and hedge funds find a company on a downward slide they LOOOVE to dogpile on it and it becomes extremely hard to recover.
This is what killed ToysRus and was happening  to AMC and Gamestop before WallStreetbets jumped in to save them. Don't count on them to come to Tesla's rescue.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #62 on: Sat, 31 December 2022, 09:02:00 »

Don't count on them to come to Tesla's rescue.


While I have never really understood or engaged with "social media" since, as an old man who grew up in a time when privacy had importance practically rising to the level of an inalienable right, it always just seemed completely creepy and weird to have a computer program that basically allowed you be an exhibitionist to the world. So if Twitter simply went away I would be indifferent to it, and maybe even feel comfort that it was gone from the planet.

That said, while Twitter seems like a giant nothingburger to me, a carmaker with massive physical manufacturing, factories, engineering staff, sales and service facilities, etc, etc, should continue in some form even if it is not actually "too big to fail" ....

So are you suggesting that Tesla might churn through a huge upheaval and end up still functioning but owned and operated by someone else?
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #63 on: Sat, 31 December 2022, 11:09:38 »
Tesla has been heading towards upheaval over this since he bought Twitter if only because Musk pretty much walked away from Tesla to focus on Twitter and now the SEC is threatening them, so yeah, that upheaval is possibly already in the works. Frankly, with a 50% drop in less than 2 months, wouldn't you be screaming if that consisted of a huge chunk of your portfolio and the CEO was off arguing with the world on Twitter instead of doing his job?

Would they still end up functional?
You'd like to think so but they have assets, valuable assets that can be sold off and all it takes is someone to do the same thing Musk did to Twitter (a full buyout) and then call in someone like Mitt Romney to rip it apart and sell off the assets, again, this was what happened to ToysRus. You don't want your assets to be worth more than the company is valued at.  Granted, Tesla is a long way from that point (or so you would think based on value) but with stock drops like this, hedge funds will pile on and make it harder and harder for them to get capital to operate with and then that long slide begins. Worse, Tesla has a lot of important assetts others would love to get their hands on, it's not like Twitter where it's a bunch of leased servers or soon to be outdated server tech. Twitter could pack up and leave and few would notice, including the few remaining employees at this point so no one's going to buy them out like Musk did. There was a reason the board cheered and literally popped champagne when Musk made his offer, they knew it was stupid and they were getting a bailout. Beyond what it does, Twitter has very little. Servers age, they lease property... What's there to buy? Influence, influence wanes.

As for Tesla's assetts...
The charging network is a big plus to someone who wants it, it's big, it's fast..
China could use the technology, plus they already have many of the metals needed to build them. The Tesla name would offer a lot in the way of spreading Chinese cars.
Apple and Uber both need the skills and facilities to make a car.
And then you have every other major car and big rig manufacturer... This would be a boost in their electric and self driving portfolio of patents and skilled workers, giving them a leg up on pretty much all other companies on these fronts.

And any of these could work together to buy then out and split things up.
And it's not just the car industry to watch out for... I could see cell phone carriers or convenience stores going after the charging network, set them up with automated mini stores like Amazon stores. Put super chargers in front of every AMC movie theater... Anyone charging has time on their hands and need something to do so it's a captive audience with nothing to do.


Tesla is heading into a dangerous place.
Once it crosses that value vs assets line, or their ability to borrow ends, all bets are off on their future and they are very much NOT too big to fail. Worse, there's a LOT of hate towards Tesla from the conservative side of our gov. (and population) so even they may be reluctant to help keep them afloat.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 06 January 2023, 15:28:31 »
I have always been dismayed that "Freedom of Speech" inevitably includes the freedom to lie - with impunity.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-05/laid-off-twitter-workers-remain-in-limbo-over-severance-pay?leadSource=uverify%20wall

"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #65 on: Sat, 07 January 2023, 11:41:26 »
Tesla stock is now 1/3rd of what it was at acquisition of Twitter.
Mar 20 2022 $330
Sept 20 2022: $330
Jan 6 2023: $113 (at closing and hit a low of $101)

It hasn't been this low since July 2020 when it started climbing at an insane rate.



Also a single man spent $50B and lost another $170B in stock valuation making a pointless purchase but it's those pesky kids trading fake coins (crypto) and pictures (nft) that are crashing the economy!
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #66 on: Sat, 07 January 2023, 16:54:54 »
It only went to that insane level because Musk can't manage to tell the truth if his life was on the line.

No lies and Tesla would have been bankrupt in 2017.


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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 11 January 2023, 12:10:59 »
It only went to that insane level because Musk can't manage to tell the truth if his life was on the line.

No lies and Tesla would have been bankrupt in 2017.

He’s always had a huge cult following. Which is falling apart
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 15 February 2023, 04:14:22 »
I mean, with such few ppl left, i assume its chaos already!! :p :p

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"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 08 May 2023, 18:23:43 »
It only went to that insane level because Musk can't manage to tell the truth if his life was on the line.

No lies and Tesla would have been bankrupt in 2017.

He’s always had a huge cult following. Which is falling apart

Musk had great marketers who created the perception that he was a super-genius out to save the world, the next tony stark, which cultivated the audience he has, but even the best marketers can't hide the truth forever, that musk is an egotistical, greedy man child who makes terrible decisions constantly.

It only went to that insane level because Musk can't manage to tell the truth if his life was on the line.

No lies and Tesla would have been bankrupt in 2017.



I mean Tesla should have been bankrupted earlier than that, the only reason why Tesla is here is due to selling carbon credit (I think that's what it's called) to other companies and getting subsidies from the government

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 08 May 2023, 22:36:19 »
I mean Tesla should have been bankrupted earlier than that, the only reason why Tesla is here is due to selling carbon credit (I think that's what it's called) to other companies and getting subsidies from the government

And pumping and dumping Doge coin to his followers.


As for the super villain thing...
He wants his lair on Mars (in a cave or volcano), so yeah, not far from reality.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 09 May 2023, 08:24:01 »

As for the super villain thing...


The take away for me was that he intends to put 42,000 satellites in low Earth orbit, and that the resulting garbage field could make it almost impossible to launch anything else through it for centuries ....
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #73 on: Mon, 24 July 2023, 17:49:47 »
Yeah Baby! Yeah!

"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 24 July 2023, 18:01:09 »
Yeah Baby! Yeah!

what is this? did he put starlink with twitter?

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 24 July 2023, 18:12:52 »
and I still never had, or intend on making, a Twitter account... sorry, an X account

It is like every move Elon makes with that company it becomes less and less appealing. There was a time when I was seriously considering getting on social media, then Trump happened and that ruined a good portion, then it became weaponized, then privatized, now I could not be less into the idea of sharing my life with strangers.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 24 July 2023, 18:30:40 »
Wait is twitter rebranding to "X"? if so then that's the dumbest name change ever, the only thing twitter has at this point was the unique branding and now that's all gone.

I wish I could speak to elon musk to just tell him how stupid he is, because this is a new low of stupidity.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 24 July 2023, 18:39:11 »

I could not be less into the idea of sharing my life with strangers.


The whole thing (ie "social media") always seemed to be contrary to any fundamental concept of privacy or humilty.
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 24 July 2023, 18:56:12 »

I could not be less into the idea of sharing my life with strangers.


The whole thing (ie "social media") always seemed to be contrary to any fundamental concept of privacy or humilty.

Yeah but there are uses for Businesses and people to promote things.

Also this X change has been a disaster, like there will be lawsuits and has conflicts with twitter japan (which twitter is massive there)

I heard a lot of this stuff from Hasanabi, if you don't know too much I would recommend watching them because they compile everything decently well.


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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 24 July 2023, 19:50:16 »

lawsuits and has conflicts


Looking forward to copyrighting and trademarking a letter of the alphabet ....
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #80 on: Mon, 24 July 2023, 19:53:43 »

lawsuits and has conflicts


Looking forward to copyrighting and trademarking a letter of the alphabet ....

It's already happened, I believe Microsoft owns the rights to x (related to xbox) and a band in japan owns the X trademark as well, which is why the name change hasn't occurred in Japan, It's so strange that common words like sky and even letters like X can be trademarked, but that's capitalism I guess...

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 25 July 2023, 09:38:16 »
With this X rebranding, hasn't he already?

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #82 on: Tue, 25 July 2023, 09:52:21 »
I've seen lots of references to Monty Python's "Dead Parrot" sketch lately ...

The platform with the blue bird: Twitter, is now an X-platform.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #83 on: Fri, 04 August 2023, 06:21:04 »
I like the idea of a place to spout random brain salad. Everyone comes up with a few worthy sayings in their lives, some more than others
Twitter started to fail once it became a platform for changing ideas, rather than sharing them.

Yeah that was probably me exaggerating a bit too much. Despite how much the platform is a mess (even back in "the good old days") it was and kinda still is an extremely important source of news as it was the fastest way to hear about things and that journalists could use it to build off for their own stories, and for people to self promote what they want. It's great at that and pretty much only that.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #84 on: Fri, 04 August 2023, 07:37:35 »

an extremely important source of news as it was the fastest way to hear about things

journalists could use it to build off


It has always boggled my mind (buggered my mind?) to think that people would use social media as a "news source" ....

I guess what you are saying is that you can dip into the sewer at any time of day or night and pull up some fertilizer.
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
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It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #85 on: Wed, 20 September 2023, 22:13:15 »
Well... Elon is considering putting up a paywall for twitter. I don't think there has been a single time where a business has had more users/customers by making something that was once free behind a paywall.

If he actually goes through with it the only users will be bots (or a significant portion), cause most people will not pay for twitter period, even back when it was pretty good.

Such a stupid idea

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #86 on: Thu, 21 September 2023, 06:08:39 »
It doesn't matter, he killed it the moment he prioritized paid users, at that point it was already not just pay to play losing all relevance, making it all pay doesn't re-balance that problem it makes it worse.

He seems to (wrongly) think this will remove the bots.
Bots are already pay to play and this change means Twitter will probably spend even less effort fighting said bots, not that they ever prioritized it. Bots are really the only reason Twitter stayed relevant, no one really cares to hear what all these people are really saying on a day to day basis, do you honestly think most of these people say would gain any traction at all without an army of bots promoting them? It was always paid promotion, just most people didn't realize it.


Maybe Musk really does understand Twitter, he's just pulling back the curtain, the problem is that people come for the puppet show not the puppeteers.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #87 on: Thu, 21 September 2023, 17:21:18 »
no one really cares to hear what all these people are really saying on a day to day basis, do you honestly think most of these people say would gain any traction at all without an army of bots promoting them? It was always paid promotion, just most people didn't realize it.


Maybe Musk really does understand Twitter, he's just pulling back the curtain, the problem is that people come for the puppet show not the puppeteers.

But this applies to the entirety of Social-Media.

Except Tp4, Tp4 brings you the latest gud' news on armored core and avocado oil.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #88 on: Fri, 27 October 2023, 12:10:08 »
It has been a year now.

Subscriptions down 40%, revenue down 60%

Do any of you guys use it any more? Do people care?

"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #89 on: Fri, 27 October 2023, 20:44:10 »
I still do. It’s a popular social network in Malaysia.


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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #90 on: Sat, 28 October 2023, 03:57:48 »
I had quit twitter a while before Elon Musk bought it. Too toxic for my mental health. But new twitter would've definitely made quit because it's just filled with far right losers who are just openly racist, homophobic, transphobic all the time. It is funny to make fun of these people but I think their hate speech outweighs what I get out of making fun of these platforms.

People probably still care about twitter, it's still is one of the most popular platforms for news and journalism, and a lot of foreign markets really like twitter like Japan for example. Just not as much since the platform is infested by the worst people, at least in the english speaking areas of the platform.

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #91 on: Sat, 28 October 2023, 09:15:16 »

one of the most popular platforms for news and journalism


This has always been my mental block.
I cannot even IMAGINE going to "social media" for ANY form of reliable information!
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #92 on: Sat, 28 October 2023, 17:37:36 »
This has always been my mental block.
I cannot even IMAGINE going to "social media" for ANY form of reliable information!

Twitter was really good for getting immediate info, since journalists can just post their news without going through editorial or higher ups first. That's why it was a lot better than other platforms for news.

The one good thing that new twitter has done was community notes, which was basically an independent fact checking tool, which actually made misinformation pretty obvious. To the platforms determent, as people started to community notes advertisements like uber which was really funny. Which is why they started doing ads that cannot be blocked or reported (and also illegally not displaying that it is an ad on top of that)


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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #93 on: Mon, 06 November 2023, 07:01:25 »
i honestly feel like its worse than 4chan by far at this point. 4chan has SOME moderation but this new X has literally none. illegal content is rampant, bots are everywhere you look, its an absolute ****show.
someone needs to make an aussie keyboard community called QMƎɹ┴⅄. get it? haha :D

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #94 on: Mon, 06 November 2023, 14:32:56 »
i honestly feel like its worse than 4chan by far at this point. 4chan has SOME moderation but this new X has literally none. illegal content is rampant, bots are everywhere you look, its an absolute ****show.
It's like a slow motion car crash pile up. In a way it's fascinating as a projector on the worst tendencies of humanity, but also something we'd like to avoid seeing at all. William Gibson was so right in so many ways. So was Adam Curtis, more recently...

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #95 on: Wed, 08 November 2023, 19:41:59 »
I have a fairly decent following on Twitter because of my Bitcoin education. The platform is certainly more chaotic post Elon's takeover. That isn't all bad though. Speech flows much more freely now and that is a good thing.

What I have been quite peeved about is the fact that long time followers/people I follow have been getting banned for some pretty weak content. While characters like Mario Nawfal are posting bodies in the back of pickup trucks from geopolitical events across the globe. There is a place for that kind of content... 4Chan. Twitter/X doesn't need to light my face up with that stuff when I am checking during lunch. At minimum make it so I have to walk into those areas of Twitter, don't bring them to me.

The quality of advertisements and content is borderline pornography post takeover.

I do look for quality news and releases. This is much more dificult post takeover aswell becuase of the 'For you' category.
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #96 on: Thu, 30 November 2023, 19:59:27 »
After claiming he’d never let advertisers “blackmail” him (and clearly not understanding that word’s meaning), he admitted, “What this advertising boycott is going to do is, it’s going to kill the company.”

Then he said he wouldn’t use his own money to bail out the company.

"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #97 on: Fri, 01 December 2023, 02:50:25 »
“What this advertising boycott is going to do is, it’s going to kill the company.”
Do not threaten us with good time ;)

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Re: Will Elon Musk make Twitter more chaotic than it is already ?
« Reply #98 on: Sat, 02 December 2023, 11:21:04 »
After claiming he’d never let advertisers “blackmail” him (and clearly not understanding that word’s meaning), he admitted, “What this advertising boycott is going to do is, it’s going to kill the company.”

Then he said he wouldn’t use his own money to bail out the company.
The whole thing is worth a watch: