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Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: xsphat on Fri, 23 May 2008, 15:36:02

Sorry about the crappy camera phone pics, wifey has the camera in Europe right now.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2164/2517138604_c76daacb1c.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2261/2516316597_fac8e2a1b4.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/2517138732_1e3f0dcabb.jpg)

I can't see myself using this thing very often -- I mainly bought it because it is so bazaar. It's made by Alps, so that's kind of cool, even though these flopped.

The (sealed) box says, "The next generation of desktop pointing devices." 90210 didn't have that much up-talking in it.

Anyway, just thought I'd share that with you guys.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: jemkeys on Fri, 23 May 2008, 18:12:59

Nice, but I like the razer better ;)

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: xsphat on Fri, 23 May 2008, 21:34:57

Yeah, me too.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: lam47 on Tue, 25 November 2008, 18:25:33

And its ADB? very strange little thing.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: iMav on Tue, 25 November 2008, 18:30:14

Bundle the worst pointing device on the planet with every keyboard you own. Congratulations!  ;)

Oh wow.  An old thread revived...

I saw your HHKB Pro and was quite confused.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: wellington1869 on Tue, 25 November 2008, 18:39:00

That thing is ginormous.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: D-EJ915 on Tue, 25 November 2008, 19:29:33

Quote from: jemkeys;4834

Nice, but I like the razer better ;)

with my 3 dead ones I disagree


Touchpads are much better than they were back when ones like those were sold.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 25 November 2008, 20:43:52

I had a serial Cirque Easy Cat. (Used an Alps GlidePoint touchpad.)

Dear god those things sucked. Even the NAME sucked.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: iMav on Tue, 25 November 2008, 20:56:13

Quote from: D-EJ915;12430

Touchpads are much better than they were back when ones like those were sold.

That's one thing I do agree with.  However, I think it is the touchpads that have been sold in the past year or so that are finally significantly better.

Like the Acer laptops where the trackpad has the same finish as the rest of the laptop.  (as well as the new Apple glasspads)  No more oily trackpads!

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: xsphat on Wed, 26 November 2008, 00:43:27

Quote from: D-EJ915;12430

with my 3 dead ones I disagree

That is bizarre. I have had zero trouble with mine and I have had it since before this forum went live. My favorite thing about it is that the box said it won't work on Mac. Cheap bastards just don't want to support Mac.

I still love the mouse, but I am thinking it's time for something new. I mean, I have had about 40 keyboards since I bought that mouse. The math isn't adding up there.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: iMav on Wed, 26 November 2008, 01:50:00

You need the greatest pointing device in existance, the Logitech Trackman Marble Wheel:

(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/logitechtrackmanmarblewheel.jpg)

I actually like the original Logitech Trackman Marble better, but these days, the scroll wheel is just too darned useful.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: xsphat on Wed, 26 November 2008, 02:00:28

I knew you'd say that. I don't honestly know if I'd like it. I would want to test drive that or one like it for a week or two first. Plus, I kind of want something wireless.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: lam47 on Wed, 26 November 2008, 05:43:48

The steel series Ikari is the best mouse!!!!!
I personally have had nothing but bad experiences with Razer products and will not allow them in the house so nerrr.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: bhtooefr on Wed, 26 November 2008, 06:21:55

I'm using one of the best pointing devices I've ever used right now. Downside is, the only keyboards with a genuine example were either rubber domes, or rubber dome+scissor switch. (The SpaceSaver II, and a couple of UltraNav travel keyboards.)

(Although, the TrackPoint II isn't bad, which allows for the Model M13, and the Unicomp pointing stick is acceptable.)

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 26 November 2008, 09:56:36

Quote from: iMav;12468

You need the greatest pointing device in existance, the Logitech Trackman Marble Wheel:

Show Image

(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/logitechtrackmanmarblewheel.jpg)

I actually like the original Logitech Trackman Marble better, but these days, the scroll wheel is just too darned useful.

Call me slow, but I have just recently discovered the left/right scrolling of the tilt wheel on MS mice (and others, for sure).  I also like the smooth scrolling and scrolling acceleration on MS mice as well.  While the smooth scrolling is great for work, I still prefer clicky scroll wheels for games.  If you are looking for something that is ergonomic like a trackball but ina regular mouse format, check out the MS Natural Mouse 6000.  See my review in this forum for more details.  This really helped some wrist pain I was developing due ro regular mouse usage.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: iMav on Wed, 26 November 2008, 10:05:11

Quote from: bhtooefr;12490

I'm using one of the best pointing devices I've ever used right now. Downside is, the only keyboards with a genuine example were either rubber domes, or rubber dome+scissor switch. (The SpaceSaver II, and a couple of UltraNav travel keyboards.)

Trackpoints rule.  Best integrated pointing device by a mile.  I find the M4-1's (mighty mouse) a joy to type on...so that is a great solution for a keyboard with integrated trackpoint.

Pointing device nirvana:

(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/m4-1-trackman-1.jpg) (http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/m4-1-trackman-1-big.jpg)

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: bhtooefr on Wed, 26 November 2008, 10:47:50

But that's just a TP2, IIRC. ;)

TP3 added the negative inertia feature that makes the tracking more accurate, and TP4 added a third button. :)

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: xsphat on Wed, 26 November 2008, 11:17:44

I have heard lots of good things about the Microsoft mice, maybe I will check one out.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: Eclairz on Wed, 26 November 2008, 11:37:35

I use razer mice myself(copperhead for work and the habu for home), they are decent but are too shaky for slow work compared to my old mice. I heard the DeathAdder is better in this respect.

I plan to get the DeathAdder for use on my Mac for another reason and that reason is that razer developed a driver for it to completely remove the acceleration OS X puts on all mice connected to it. With fast accurate mice, adding acceleration is unnecessary and makes me inaccurate, but it is useful for slow mice on large desktops.

I plan to also get a large trackball weighing between getting a kensington supermouse and the logitech I have no Idea which will suit me better though.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: zwmalone on Wed, 26 November 2008, 12:53:19

I'm going to have to disagree with all of you Logitech fans.  This is the epitome of trackballs:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51S1JQCF11L._SS400_.jpg)
(http://i24.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/1d/87/63e1_1.JPG)
I used to own one of these when I lived with my dad, but I left it there :(
When I bought it, it was only $20, now I can't find them for under $100!

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: iMav on Wed, 26 November 2008, 13:22:15

The problem with this:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51S1JQCF11L._SS400_.jpg)

and even this:

(http://www.logitech.com/repository/285/jpg/2018.1.0.jpg)

...is the fact that they are two-fingered pointing devices.  Notice that the original Trackman Marble and Trackman Marble Wheel are three-fingered devices (not counting the thumb, of course).

I right click with my ring finger, middle click (and scroll wheel) with my middle finger, and left click with my pointer finger.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: iMav on Wed, 26 November 2008, 13:23:54

Quote from: bhtooefr;12546

But that's just a TP2, IIRC. ;)

TP3 added the negative inertia feature that makes the tracking more accurate, and TP4 added a third button. :)

Well, you take what you can get.  It's not perfect (love the 3-button trackpoints), but still is "mighty" fine.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: zwmalone on Wed, 26 November 2008, 14:50:47

The MS Trackball Optical is a four button mouse, so I really don't miss a middle-click.  The MS Wireless Laser Mouse 5000 (1000 DPI!!!) that I'm using now is five button + a scroll wheel, which I enjoy more than a middle click.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: iMav on Wed, 26 November 2008, 17:37:12

Quote from: zwmalone;12606

The MS Trackball Optical is a four button mouse, so I really don't miss a middle-click.  The MS Wireless Laser Mouse 5000 (1000 DPI!!!) that I'm using now is five button + a scroll wheel, which I enjoy more than a middle click.

It's not the functionality of the middle click (which both those above-references trackballs have), it's the ergonomics of my finger placement.

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: D-EJ915 on Wed, 26 November 2008, 20:31:04

Quote from: iMav;12620

It's not the functionality of the middle click (which both those above-references trackballs have), it's the ergonomics of my finger placement.

yep, Logitech really knew what they were doing back in the day

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: iMav on Wed, 26 November 2008, 20:36:02

Quote from: D-EJ915;12644

yep, Logitech really knew what they were doing back in the day

Show Image

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/enthauptet/bin/th_mouseman.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/enthauptet/bin/mouseman.jpg)

Exactly.

Too bad they've lost their way.  I troll eBay for Logitech Trackman Marble Wheel's at least 3-4 times a week.  (want to make sure I've got spares)

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: iMav on Fri, 28 November 2008, 07:46:51

Quote from: bhtooefr;12546

But that's just a TP2, IIRC. ;)

TP3 added the negative inertia feature that makes the tracking more accurate, and TP4 added a third button. :)

Well then, here ya go (http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-PN-37L0888-Space-Saver-II-Keyboard-RT3200_W0QQitemZ260288311234QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item260288311234&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A4|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318)!!

Title: Check out my new Alps toy
Post by: bhtooefr on Fri, 28 November 2008, 08:52:31

Where's the buckling springs? ;) :p