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Offline Ren_Kaos

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[IC] GMK Mudkap (new renders!)
« on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 08:15:24 »

Mudkip has been my favorite Pokemon since it's release in gen 3. That might be why some of my favorite colors are blues and oranges!
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Pantone #CBDDF3       Pantone #5BB5E3       Pantone #FFA637

When I set out to design this set I realized that I could even make it look like mudkip as well and here we are!

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Thank you so much for checking out my design and for giving any input or help, it's very appreciated!

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Update Log
-name change
-removed shiny colorscheme
-removed numpad from base
-added split support in base kit
-added numpad kit
-added novelties kit
-name change gen 3
-new renders!
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Re: [IC] GMK Mudkip
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 08:22:01 »
Like the idea but don't mess with Nintendo/Pokemon.

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 08:23:06 »
This is really cute, like it!

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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 08:25:52 »
Like the idea but don't mess with Nintendo/Pokemon.

Agreed, could still stick with the colourway, but you might to rethink the novelties

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 08:48:35 »
Like the idea but don't mess with Nintendo/Pokemon.

Agreed, could still stick with the colourway, but you might to rethink the novelties

Maybe OP can reach out to the creator of SA Vilebloom about this because they have pokeball novelties on their set.

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 08:50:26 »
those eyes just stare into my soul.

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 08:53:04 »
You should contact Nintendo about this.

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 09:32:56 »
You should contact Nintendo about this.





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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 09:40:49 »
That's a super creative use of cap positions and stagger. If there's a place for Handarbeit in the world, there has to be a place for something like this too.


Maybe OP can reach out to the creator of SA Vilebloom about this because they have pokeball novelties on their set.

Vilebloom avoided explicitly mentioning “Pokemon” and other trademarked terms. For example, they used phrasing like “PkMn-inspired”, the text novelties said “PKMN”, the pokeballs were abstracted so they didn't look exactly like pokeballs™, and so on. The name itself, Vilebloom, is a combination of two Pokemon names (Vileplume and Gloom), so Vilebloom itself is not a trademarked name. They deliberately went about it in a roundabout way.
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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 09:48:12 »
pokemon gang unite

also you should try to avoid using potentially trademarked names

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[IC] GMK Mudkip
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 12:33:14 »
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That's perfect.

I'll second the suggestion about reaching out to the Pokemon Company/Nintendo; I believe they're open to such requests. The S-Craft artisan people have allegedly been in talks with them.
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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 14:11:09 »
Looking great!@

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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 14:46:58 »
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I contacted them don't worry)

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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 15:19:07 »
Like everyone else is saying If you don't get a license/or get things handled or this is as good as dead cause vendors wont work with you and Nintendo will C&D you without hesitation.
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Re: [IC] GMK Mudkip
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 18:03:12 »
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Vilebloom avoided explicitly mentioning “Pokemon” and other trademarked terms. For example, they used phrasing like “PkMn-inspired”, the text novelties said “PKMN”, the pokeballs were abstracted so they didn't look exactly like pokeballs™, and so on. The name itself, Vilebloom, is a combination of two Pokemon names (Vileplume and Gloom), so Vilebloom itself is not a trademarked name. They deliberately went about it in a roundabout way.


I definitely looked up Vilebloom and GMK Hero as well as GMK DEKU when making this set to see what I would be able to get away with. The blatant triforce and pokeball may have raised my expectations a bit. Originally I was going to call it GMK Mudfish but was unsure if people would check it out. I'm not sure how to convey mudkip in novelties without specifically using it's likeness, which is another reason I came here. I knew copyright infringement would be an issue and definitely need alternate ideas if its determined my originals can't be used.

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Re: [IC] GMK Mudkip
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 18:09:16 »
pokemon gang unite

also you should try to avoid using potentially trademarked names

I was originally going to call it GMK Mudfish and can definitely change it in the future thanks for the advice. Do you have any ideas or worries about the novelties? GMK Vilebloom pretty obviously used a pokeball, including using the names of attacks.

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Re: [IC] GMK Mudkip
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 18:16:02 »
pokemon gang unite

also you should try to avoid using potentially trademarked names

I was originally going to call it GMK Mudfish and can definitely change it in the future thanks for the advice. Do you have any ideas or worries about the novelties? GMK Vilebloom pretty obviously used a pokeball, including using the names of attacks.
They probably won't care if it's not their art, but you should make sure. The Pokemon and maybe Mudkip letter novelties do worry me since, well, they're probably licensed under Nintendo. You could try PKMN or something similar. Changing the set name is also an extra measure you could take to make sure you don't get into any troubles, although I don't know if the name would cause any problems. I'd just suggest to make sure on the highest level possible, these are just my guesses/opinions.

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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 18:19:26 »
Like everyone else is saying If you don't get a license/or get things handled or this is as good as dead cause vendors wont work with you and Nintendo will C&D you without hesitation.


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This while not wonderful doesn't make it seem like I can't use their content. It seems like my best course of action would be to make my novelties a bit more stylized and change the name.

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Re: [IC] GMK Mudkip
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 18:48:24 »
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That’s hilarious, and hey, you’re like kinda the guy. Did you have any opinions or advice you could give? I’d greatly appreciate it thanks!

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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 19:04:06 »
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This while not wonderful doesn't make it seem like I can't use their content. It seems like my best course of action would be to make my novelties a bit more stylized and change the name.

This is not legal advice and I am not your attorney. If you want legal advice, retain counsel licensed to practice in your jurisdiction. With that out of the way...

Attack names aren't going to be trademarked, so you're safe there. As for everything else, here's a decent rule of thumb: if you do a Google search and the trademarked/copyrighted thing is the first hit, avoid it. "Mudfish" is fine. Stylized novelties are fine.

That all said, this whole thread would be discoverable and evidence against any defense you made that this wasn't derivative of their copyrighted character.

That's not to scare you, that's just the reality. However, unless you start selling tens of thousands of kits, you're probably going to be under the radar and not worth their time. The further removed you make it - calling it mudfish, not using pics of the 'mon and not referencing "Pokemon" - the less likely they're going to come after you.
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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 19:12:18 »
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This while not wonderful doesn't make it seem like I can't use their content. It seems like my best course of action would be to make my novelties a bit more stylized and change the name.

This is not legal advice and I am not your attorney. If you want legal advice, retain counsel in your jurisdiction. With that out of the way...

Attack names aren't going to be trademarked, so you're safe there. As for everything else, here's a decent rule of thumb: if you do a Google search and the trademarked/copyrighted thing is the first hit, avoid it. "Mudfish" is fine. Stylized novelties are fine.

That all said, this whole thread would be discoverable and evidence against any defense you made that this wasn't derivative of their copyrighted character.

I wonder because there are countless Etsy shops selling very obvious reproductions of characters that don’t get taken down. Then there are places like Scraft. I’ll do some research and see what vendors say.

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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 19:13:29 »
I edited my post to provide more non-advice.
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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 19:59:59 »
I edited my post to provide more non-advice.

Hey, all advice is welcome and I’m not going to quit! I want this created one way or another.

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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 21:14:05 »
Very very nice

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 21:23:15 »
Very very nice

Wow, I really appreciate this! Thank you!

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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 22:38:29 »
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I literally laughed out loud at this.

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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 12:07:00 »
Just call the set GMK Midskipper, drop any reference in image or terminology to copyrighted characters, and you’ll be doing what everyone else has done to make a set inspired by the IP of another company.

Also, the “eyes” could use the GMK Dots mold, right?

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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 12:55:24 »
Also, the “eyes” could use the GMK Dots mold, right?

I don't think it'd look right if the dot were circular instead of oval.

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Re: [IC] GMK Mudkip
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 17:34:37 »
Hey guys, I'm working pretty hard trying to make the base set and other kits on KLE, but I'm having difficulties when I export as a json. None of my novelties are saving or showing up in http://kle-render.herokuapp.com/. I've zero coding experience so I'm unsure if I've done something wrong or what. Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: [IC] GMK Mudkip
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 18:10:42 »
Hey guys, I'm working pretty hard trying to make the base set and other kits on KLE, but I'm having difficulties when I export as a json. None of my novelties are saving or showing up in http://kle-render.herokuapp.com/. I've zero coding experience so I'm unsure if I've done something wrong or what. Any help would be appreciated.

In my experience, the KLE render site is pretty limited in what it can display properly. I would be surprised if it worked with custom legends in the first place.

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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 19:02:14 »
In my experience, the KLE render site is pretty limited in what it can display properly. I would be surprised if it worked with custom legends in the first place.

Fair enough, how should I go about getting better renders then? When I download the SVG from KLE I don't have my custom legends either. I mostly am just trying to find a workaround to taking the time to organize and render everything in blender.

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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 16 April 2020, 01:39:27 »
GMK Mdkp might be a good alternative name.

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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 16 April 2020, 03:17:18 »
GMK Mdkp might be a good alternative name.

That's a great idea and I'm totally stealing it. Much appreciated!

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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 16 April 2020, 04:53:29 »
I think GMK Mudskipper would be less conspicuous and more memorable, while being equally as evocative as GMK Mdkp. Oh, and easier to pronounce, too.

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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 16 April 2020, 05:34:57 »
I think GMK Mudskipper would be less conspicuous and more memorable, while being equally as evocative as GMK Mdkp. Oh, and easier to pronounce, too.

Perhaps, it'll be something I keep workshopping probably. Something to note however, in the Vilebloom description they reference "Pkmn" a lot, and that's a fairly common type of shortening that's seen within the games which is why it appealed to me immediately.

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« Reply #37 on: Sat, 02 May 2020, 17:23:32 »
any follow up on this? :o

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« Reply #38 on: Sat, 02 May 2020, 18:48:22 »
any follow up on this? :o

Yeah, so I reached out to someone to commission high quality renders but they never got back to me. I’ve been busy and don’t really know who to contact about renders or helping me organize kits. The ic had a fair share or requests and interest but I’m just not sure where I go from here as I’m very new to the whole keeb scene.

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« Reply #39 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 00:19:42 »
any follow up on this? :o

Yeah, so I reached out to someone to commission high quality renders but they never got back to me. I’ve been busy and don’t really know who to contact about renders or helping me organize kits. The ic had a fair share or requests and interest but I’m just not sure where I go from here as I’m very new to the whole keeb scene.

Hit up the Keycap Designer Discord and ask there. I'm sure someone there would do some renders for you.


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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 00:55:51 »
any follow up on this? :o

Yeah, so I reached out to someone to commission high quality renders but they never got back to me. I’ve been busy and don’t really know who to contact about renders or helping me organize kits. The ic had a fair share or requests and interest but I’m just not sure where I go from here as I’m very new to the whole keeb scene.

Hit up the Keycap Designer Discord and ask there. I'm sure someone there would do some renders for you.

Thanks, I’ll do that! But by Keycap Designer discord, do you mean the reddit community or is there another one?

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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 01:15:37 »
Adding another name idea: GMK Mudkap

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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 03:08:03 »
Adding another name idea: GMK Mudkap

Wow, yes, that seems so obvious. I love it the most so far, thanks!

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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 16:23:36 »
any follow up on this? :o

Yeah, so I reached out to someone to commission high quality renders but they never got back to me. I’ve been busy and don’t really know who to contact about renders or helping me organize kits. The ic had a fair share or requests and interest but I’m just not sure where I go from here as I’m very new to the whole keeb scene.

ahh i see, I really want this set to be real, cause I love water type pkmn and mudkip definitely is there  :D

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« Reply #44 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 16:54:51 »
Not sure about that light blue on medium blue for legends.  Looks like not enough contrast IRL

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« Reply #45 on: Sun, 03 May 2020, 17:03:01 »
Not sure about that light blue on medium blue for legends.  Looks like not enough contrast IRL

Yeah, I thought that for a second but I don’t think there would be a problem. However, I will print out some tests tho I'm not sure how accurate that will be. Any suggestions for testing contrast in real life applications?.

 The pantone colors are

Orange, #FFA637 https://www.pantone.com/color-finder/14-1159-TPG

Blue, #5BB5E3 https://www.pantone.com/color-finder/2190-XGC

Light Blue, #CBDDF3 https://www.pantone.com/color-finder/9401-U
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Re: [IC] GMK Mudkap (new renders!)
« Reply #46 on: Sat, 18 July 2020, 01:09:56 »
any updates? quite like this set

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« Reply #47 on: Sat, 18 July 2020, 05:34:12 »
Consider adding a 2nd B in base if you're going to have the 2.25 and 2.75 spacebars.

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« Reply #48 on: Sat, 18 July 2020, 19:23:07 »
I can't see this turning out better than the Blink set, lol.

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« Reply #49 on: Sat, 18 July 2020, 19:51:56 »
I can't see this turning out better than the Blink set, lol.
Nah. Black Pink actually uses "blink" - like it's the name of their fan club or something. There's nothing here that is used by the big N.
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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 20:39:55 »
If this gets on groupbuy, I'm definitely in. Swampert is still my all time favorite Pokemon.

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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 14 September 2020, 21:47:20 »
you should add in a rama camp like gmk umbra

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« Reply #52 on: Fri, 18 September 2020, 18:50:04 »
Definite buy for me if this goes through!



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« Reply #53 on: Sat, 19 September 2020, 02:45:05 »
this is adorable

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« Reply #54 on: Sun, 06 December 2020, 04:03:22 »
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I contacted them don't worry)

I like how you didn't mention if they replied  ;) (I would be incredibly surprised if they did and absolutely astounded if they granted you permission). The Pokemon Company won't talk to you or any other artist about this, much less grant a license. Even that GMK Star Wars set didn't get permission (but skirted by with how fonts technically can't be copyrighted). And this set is interesting since its only when the keys are assembled in a certain configuration that one could argue its infringement. Colors and common shapes cannot be copyrighted. Is it infringement to sell generic colored geometric shapes that when arranged, creates a derivative work of licensed art? Otherwise, all keysets would be infringing since any keyset could assembled to resemble any sort of licensed material.

Unlicensed fandom inspired products and art have always been in this murky legal area. Like almost definitely infringement by most legal opinions but it's tolerated and companies generally look the other way, especially if you're small fish. Also, I suspect that manufacturers like GMK might be okay under the "safe harbor" provision but I could be wrong. But ethically? I think the majority of people would not consider fan inspired products to be immoral (like what, are you taking profits away from their official, licensed keyset?)

Anyways, super cute keyset. Looking forward to a group buy!
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« Reply #55 on: Mon, 07 December 2020, 02:33:20 »

I like how you didn't mention if they replied  ;) (I would be incredibly surprised if they did and absolutely astounded if they granted you permission). The Pokemon Company won't talk to you or any other artist about this, much less grant a license.

You’d be surprised. Originally S-Craft put out starter Pokémon artisans without a license, so I stayed away. Then they apparently approached the Pokémon Company and got a license to make more and remake the original ones under license.

Colors and common shapes cannot be copyrighted.

While this is true, I can’t completely let your comment slide unchallenged: you can’t copyright a color, but you can certainly trademark one.
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« Reply #56 on: Tue, 08 December 2020, 03:04:51 »
You’d be surprised. Originally S-Craft put out starter Pokémon artisans without a license, so I stayed away. Then they apparently approached the Pokémon Company and got a license to make more and remake the original ones under license.

Ah I saw some posts about that, since it was deleted off their official insta. Everyone seems to use modifiers "apparently". For a legitimate company, the wiped out instagram page and lack of communication does not exactly inspire confidence. (I mean, we're taking this solely at their word right?)
If true though, that's actually quite impressive. But certainly an exception, not the rule? I would guess it would be due to the PR and volume, which apparently drew the attention of Pokemon Company in the first place? No one really seems to know. Details are kind of scant.

While this is true, I can’t completely let your comment slide unchallenged: you can’t copyright a color, but you can certainly trademark one.
That is kind of interesting. But presumably not a concern in this use case, right? (due to the per industry rule) This does explain why they can get away with tealios, and even flaunt it lmao   

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« Reply #57 on: Tue, 08 December 2020, 08:51:20 »
While this is true, I can’t completely let your comment slide unchallenged: you can’t copyright a color, but you can certainly trademark one.
That is kind of interesting. But presumably not a concern in this use case, right? (due to the per industry rule) This does explain why they can get away with tealios, and even flaunt it lmao
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I didn’t mean trademark a color as a name (like tealios) I meant you can trademark an actual color. The case I was thinking about was the Qualitex case for green-gold colored dry cleaning pads, but there are others, eg, UPS has a trademark on their color brown.

https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2018/07/14/can-you-trademark-a-color/id=99237/

But re: the “per industry” rule, yes: trademark protection is limited to a specific class of goods and services and you can’t infringe a trademark that’s isn’t in that class of goods and services (though of the trademark is *super* famous, they could sue for trademark dilution, e.g. I couldn’t sell Coca-Cola facial tissues. They probably don’t have a trademark for facial tissues, but if I sold facial tissues under that brand, people would nonetheless think it was being sold by Coca-Cola, thereby diluting their mark).

Here, we’d need to see what tPKC’s marks are. I doubt they have a color trademarked, but if they did, keycaps are not so different than video game stuff, so they may fall into the same class or service. I’m too lazy to dig around the PTO’s website right now to check.
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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 08 December 2020, 09:18:46 »

I didn’t mean trademark a color as a name (like tealios) I meant you can trademark an actual color. The case I was thinking about was the Qualitex case for green-gold colored dry cleaning pads, but there are others, eg, UPS has a trademark on their color brown.

Oh I understood what you were saying. I brought up Tealios because they stole Tiffany Blue but got away with it because of the industry rule ;)
So I think we're in agreement x)

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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 08 December 2020, 12:53:19 »

I didn’t mean trademark a color as a name (like tealios) I meant you can trademark an actual color. The case I was thinking about was the Qualitex case for green-gold colored dry cleaning pads, but there are others, eg, UPS has a trademark on their color brown.

Oh I understood what you were saying. I brought up Tealios because they stole Tiffany Blue but got away with it because of the industry rule ;)
So I think we're in agreement x)
Ahhhh, got it. Didn’t even think about Tiffany blue. GMK Finer Things must have dodged the same bullet.
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« Reply #60 on: Tue, 08 December 2020, 15:13:05 »
these kinds of sets are my favorite of the mech community. always makes me smile and looks great at the same time

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« Reply #61 on: Tue, 08 December 2020, 17:38:08 »
really cute!
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« Reply #62 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 12:19:24 »
Ahhhh, got it. Didn’t even think about Tiffany blue. GMK Finer Things must have dodged the same bullet.

lmaooooooo
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« Reply #63 on: Wed, 09 December 2020, 23:09:26 »
Ahhhh, got it. Didn’t even think about Tiffany blue. GMK Finer Things must have dodged the same bullet.

lmaooooooo
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Jesus Christ. “I’ll take ‘how to lose an argument that my infringement wasn’t willful’ for $1000, Alex.”

Thanks for posting that. I got the notification that they were doing a new round, but didn’t see that post. I can’t support them any longer.
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« Reply #64 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 02:38:17 »
Jesus Christ. “I’ll take ‘how to lose an argument that my infringement wasn’t willful’ for $1000, Alex.”

Thanks for posting that. I got the notification that they were doing a new round, but didn’t see that post. I can’t support them any longer.

Aww don't be like that. You're already complicit; might as well go all in 😜

But is this really on the scale of theft or maybe you could think of it as a simple contract dispute between a contractor and their employer. Who are we to judge the legality when it hasn't been be settled in court? That's just disrespectful to the whole legal profession 🤪

Also, in terms of ethics and morality? These are simply good people trying to do the right thing only to find their artistic creativity being strangled by rigid corporate bureaucracy. The little guy, just trying to make a living to feed their families being, bullied by the man and big business, wielding their privilege to crush innovation. One would have to bend over backwards to argue about the imaginary lost profits incurred and one cannot deny the artistic merit and utility that these products generate. If we don't support independent artists like these, who will? 🤔😜🤪

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« Reply #65 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 03:36:19 »
I literally need this

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« Reply #66 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 07:00:48 »
Jesus Christ. “I’ll take ‘how to lose an argument that my infringement wasn’t willful’ for $1000, Alex.”

Thanks for posting that. I got the notification that they were doing a new round, but didn’t see that post. I can’t support them any longer.

Aww don't be like that. You're already complicit; might as well go all in

But is this really on the scale of theft or maybe you could think of it as a simple contract dispute between a contractor and their employer. Who are we to judge the legality when it hasn't been be settled in court? That's just disrespectful to the whole legal profession

Also, in terms of ethics and morality? These are simply good people trying to do the right thing only to find their artistic creativity being strangled by rigid corporate bureaucracy. The little guy, just trying to make a living to feed their families being, bullied by the man and big business, wielding their privilege to crush innovation. One would have to bend over backwards to argue about the imaginary lost profits incurred and one cannot deny the artistic merit and utility that these products generate. If we don't support independent artists like these, who will?
I'm an IP attorney, for a major corporation, so no.

I didn't buy the original s-craft set because they clearly weren't licensed and s-craft said as much. I got the next run because they represented that they now were. I won't be buying future runs if they aren't.

Bringing this back to the set at hand, I don't have an personal issue with homages. Mudkap is a fun homage and you need to "get it" to draw the mental connection. But if something is clearly infringing someone else's IP - like s-craft making and marketing literal Pokemon keycaps - I can't take part in it. I couldn't do my job during the day, telling people to respect my company's IP, and then buy infringing products myself at night.

/rant

Sorry for hijacking the thread with my personal views on IP infringement. None of this is legal advice. If you need legal advice, please consult an attorney licensed to practice in your jurisdiction.
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« Reply #67 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 10:05:03 »
I'm an IP attorney, for a major corporation, so no.

I didn't buy the original s-craft set because they clearly weren't licensed and s-craft said as much. I got the next run because they represented that they now were. I won't be buying future runs if they aren't.

Bringing this back to the set at hand, I don't have an personal issue with homages. Mudkap is a fun homage and you need to "get it" to draw the mental connection. But if something is clearly infringing someone else's IP - like s-craft making and marketing literal Pokemon keycaps - I can't take part in it. I couldn't do my job during the day, telling people to respect my company's IP, and then buy infringing products myself at night.

/rant

Sorry for hijacking the thread with my personal views on IP infringement. None of this is legal advice. If you need legal advice, please consult an attorney licensed to practice in your jurisdiction.

Ahh that makes a lot of sense. Now I feel bad. See, if I didn't post that, you would've gotten the third set with a clear conscience.

Although, this disclosure in itself is a bit unusual. I'm guessing you'd generally advise your clients to not announce publicly about their intent to commit crimes? 😉

Also, uh if you were unaware, I was being super facetious in my previous response 😅

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« Reply #68 on: Fri, 11 December 2020, 00:54:05 »
All good. I don’t think for most people a little infringement here and there is an issue of conscience. But I just take it seriously for mine. Had you not posted that (I’m still trying to find where it was originally posted tbh), I would have bought them.

Although, this disclosure in itself is a bit unusual. I'm guessing you'd generally advise your clients to not announce publicly about their intent to commit crimes?

Yes, that would be a prudent approach I would advise my clients to take. :)

And yes, I knew you were being (at least mostly) facetious.
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« Reply #69 on: Tue, 16 February 2021, 15:35:48 »
Hopefully this isn't dead yet :(

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« Reply #70 on: Tue, 23 February 2021, 22:20:40 »
Any updates to this?

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« Reply #71 on: Tue, 23 February 2021, 22:24:26 »
Set looks just like Mudkip! I think that the eyes should definitely be in the base kit. Otherwise, without the eyes, it kind of defeats the purpose. Also, it's only 2 more keys to add in. At minimum, there should be black blank keys for that row.

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« Reply #72 on: Wed, 24 February 2021, 00:55:04 »
Set looks just like Mudkip! I think that the eyes should definitely be in the base kit. Otherwise, without the eyes, it kind of defeats the purpose. Also, it's only 2 more keys to add in. At minimum, there should be black blank keys for that row.

I agree with this.

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« Reply #73 on: Sat, 20 March 2021, 01:31:44 »
Pls king dont let the dream die