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Title: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 29 August 2013, 00:29:07
I felt that we were missing a central hub for all the opensource and freely available cad drawing on GH, for a new comer digging these out can be cumbersome.

So, I would like to request members to post whatever CAD resources they have available and if you have a request don't hesitate to ask, I'm sure they will be plenty of assistance.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 29 August 2013, 00:29:52
All files are uploaded to the Github repo: https://github.com/mohitg11/GH-CAD-Resources



Individual components for designing plates (DWG) This has pretty much all the different sized key units, including universal key units for mods based on the excellent work by WhiteFireDragon on the GH60 plates. I would also like to give a shout out to jdcarpe for his brilliant work in designing plates, which was the foundation for this work.

(http://i.imgur.com/Hd5kmJA.png)



Basic designs for keyboard layouts (DWG) Create designs for GB, or use the keycap designs for other stuff, the dimensions of the keycap are according to SP.

(http://i.imgur.com/Lm9WzM3.png)



Switch stickers (DWG)

(http://i.imgur.com/K5ROE6Z.png)



Cherry MX Keycap Stem from Photekq' brass keycap
"Measurement for a stem on a MX keycap. I used this for my latest brass cap and it fit very well. You could maybe make it a little smaller, and I would definitely recommend making it smaller if using plastic/acrylic." - Photekq

(http://i.imgur.com/peWkmLZ.png)



Dimensions for the Cherry switch cutouts in a plate, thanks to CPTBadAss and jdcarpe.

(http://i.imgur.com/FeggbO6.png)



Keycap Checker sheets/Keycap Papers:

(http://i.imgur.com/VYg3sEq.png)



Available keycaps from SP. These sheets list the various sizes and dimensions and variety of keycaps available from Signature Plastics.

Mounting options available from SP (With Dimensions): Mounting Styles (http://www.dropbox.com/s/4c0l8a5kfh1fkey/MountStyles.pdf)



Phantom Plates. This includes:
-7Bit
-7Bit Shift
-ANSIO 125
-ANSI 150
-ISO 125
-ISO 150



Official Cherry MX Spec Sheet - This is the complete version of the Cherry specifications for the MX switch, including PCB/Plate mounting specifications.



Ergodox Resources. Resources for the ErgoDox keyboard.



Teensy 2.0 breakout board by OldDatahands



Cherry MX keyswitch 3d model: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=81cf92a3e03098a5cc90be332989df6e



Alps Specifications
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 29 August 2013, 00:30:16
Reserving this.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 29 August 2013, 00:34:55
Measurement for a stem on a MX keycap. I used this for my latest brass cap and it fit very well. You could maybe make it a little smaller, and I would definitely recommend making it smaller if using plastic/acrylic.
(http://i.imgur.com/peWkmLZ.png)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 29 August 2013, 00:43:33
Cross posted from Simple Questions, Simple Answers (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40501.0#post_ZZ), the dimensions for the Cherry switch cutouts in a plate.

(http://i.imgur.com/FeggbO6.png)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 29 August 2013, 01:05:06
Update second post, add some resources of my own.

The plate components too a hell of a lot of time to make, phew.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 29 August 2013, 01:22:22
Thanks guys for the inputs.

I've uploaded a bunch of files to the DropBox folder, I'll add them to the post later.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 29 August 2013, 01:23:44
Please credit my earlier post to jdcarpe. He did that work to make the dimensions for the switch cutouts.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 29 August 2013, 01:30:16
Done.

Anyone know the exact location of the stem for an off-center caplock.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 29 August 2013, 01:46:48
Stepped = 4.763mm to the left.
(http://i.imgur.com/AlI9qqI.png)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 29 August 2013, 01:52:34
Thanks for the collecting and upload!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 29 August 2013, 07:10:14
Stepped = 4.763mm to the left.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AlI9qqI.png)


This is for the step if I'n not wrong.

I'm interested in the position of the mounting stem for a off-center stepped caplocks.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 29 August 2013, 07:16:55
Stepped = 4.763mm to the left.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/AlI9qqI.png)


This is for the step if I'n not wrong.

I'm interested in the position of the mounting stem for a off-center stepped caplocks.
Sorry if the diagram is not clear enough. Those two squares represent the position of the switch mounting holes for center and stepped caps lock.

Stepped is 4.763mm to the left of a normal center stemmed mounting hole.

So... the stem is also 4.763 left of the center.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 29 August 2013, 07:21:59
Got it, thanks.  :thumb:

I'll add it to the plates component DWG.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 29 August 2013, 08:05:26
MOZ, great idea to collect all this stuff.  :thumb:
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Feign on Thu, 29 August 2013, 09:29:55
I have been just making up my own DWG files based on my own measurements. I wish i'd seen these earlier but good stuff! I am trying to figure out exactly how the plate cutouts relate to the caps themselves. Any help?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 29 August 2013, 10:13:39
I have been just making up my own DWG files based on my own measurements. I wish i'd seen these earlier but good stuff! I am trying to figure out exactly how the plate cutouts relate to the caps themselves. Any help?

Just created this thread today.

I don't quite get your question. If you look at the plate components file, you'll see that the cutout for 1u, 1.25u, 1.5u, 1.75u are the same, it is just the positions, thus in the dwg file, I have enclosed the cutout shape in shapes based on key size. I think this is what you wanted to know?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 29 August 2013, 10:14:14
MOZ, great idea to collect all this stuff.  :thumb:

It would be great if we can collect and saturate this thread as much as possible and then Sticky this thread.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Feign on Thu, 29 August 2013, 12:10:29
I have been just making up my own DWG files based on my own measurements. I wish i'd seen these earlier but good stuff! I am trying to figure out exactly how the plate cutouts relate to the caps themselves. Any help?

Just created this thread today.

I don't quite get your question. If you look at the plate components file, you'll see that the cutout for 1u, 1.25u, 1.5u, 1.75u are the same, it is just the positions, thus in the dwg file, I have enclosed the cutout shape in shapes based on key size. I think this is what you wanted to know?

Sorry, i can see how ambiguous it was now. What i meant was the position of the cutouts in relation to the caps above them. I am asking because i am designing a couple of housings and would like to know accurately where to fit the plate to the housing such that the outer edge of the outer keys are flush with the inner edge of the tray.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 29 August 2013, 12:18:13
I have been just making up my own DWG files based on my own measurements. I wish i'd seen these earlier but good stuff! I am trying to figure out exactly how the plate cutouts relate to the caps themselves. Any help?

Just created this thread today.

I don't quite get your question. If you look at the plate components file, you'll see that the cutout for 1u, 1.25u, 1.5u, 1.75u are the same, it is just the positions, thus in the dwg file, I have enclosed the cutout shape in shapes based on key size. I think this is what you wanted to know?

Sorry, i can see how ambiguous it was now. What i meant was the position of the cutouts in relation to the caps above them. I am asking because i am designing a couple of housings and would like to know accurately where to fit the plate to the housing such that the outer edge of the outer keys are flush with the inner edge of the tray.

That's what the switch holes with "boxes" around them are for. The boxes represent the keycap size (well, actual keycaps are very slightly smaller, anyway you don't have to include spacing between the keycaps).
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 29 August 2013, 12:27:59
According to Cherry 1 unit = 19.05, and accordingly in the diagrams as jdcarpe said, there are boxes according to this unit, so all you have to do make your plate is align the edges of these boxes next to each other and then you can remove the boxes once done. Actual keycaps can are generally about 18.1 to 18.5mm for 1 unit.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Feign on Thu, 29 August 2013, 13:10:39
Great, i have them now. Thanks a lot :)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 30 August 2013, 15:31:13
Thank you sooo much for doing this, MOZ!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: AGmurdercore on Fri, 30 August 2013, 15:39:27
WOW this thread is AWESOME! Good job everyone i will be using some of the stuff that you provided here, thanks a ton!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 30 August 2013, 15:57:21
Highly encouraging to see people appreciate the efforts.

I'll try and get other work here, please fell free to PM me or post links to stuff you feel should be added. :D
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: AGmurdercore on Sat, 31 August 2013, 04:14:53
Btw i just noticed that in the main list these are both pointed to the same link:

MOZ's ErgoDox A4 sheet
GeekHack ISO sheet
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: kps on Sat, 31 August 2013, 10:57:06
Shinier MX datasheet: http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/switches/pdf/mx_cat.pdf
Cherry MX datasheet with Imperial measurements: http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Cherry%20PDFs/MX%20Series.pdf
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 31 August 2013, 11:35:53
Btw i just noticed that in the main list these are both pointed to the same link:

MOZ's ErgoDox A4 sheet
GeekHack ISO sheet
Fixed

Shinier MX datasheet: http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/switches/pdf/mx_cat.pdf
Cherry MX datasheet with Imperial measurements: http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Cherry%20PDFs/MX%20Series.pdf
First one is incomplete thus I hadn't added it. The second one looks good, I'll add it.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Thimplum on Sat, 31 August 2013, 12:50:49
Hey! It's a sticky! And at the top!

By the way, thanks for the basic keyboard layouts. I'm working on... something, and I found it very useful.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 31 August 2013, 13:24:04
Hey! It's a sticky! And at the top!

By the way, thanks for the basic keyboard layouts. I'm working on... something, and I found it very useful.

Thanks, just saw, really happy. I'll post more stuff as it is collected.

I don't have the time in hand, but would love to go through the thousands of posts in the making stuff subforum and any any and everything relevant to the OP.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: yasuo on Sat, 31 August 2013, 13:26:20
any software other to open dwg files besides CAD?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 31 August 2013, 13:51:08
any software other to open dwg files besides CAD?

I use CorelDraw to open the dwg files as well as make and edit drawings.

There is Inkscape (Open Source) as well.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 31 August 2013, 16:11:17
Updated OP, with information posted thus far.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: yasuo on Mon, 02 September 2013, 06:34:48
I want alps module,plate alps about alps :p

Thanks MOZ :eek:
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: BliTzKiN on Mon, 02 September 2013, 08:27:44
Really helpful thread, props to you MOZ
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 02 September 2013, 10:35:25
I want alps module,plate alps about alps :p

Thanks MOZ :eek:

I've not Alps keyboard to take measurements from, I'll try and find resources online and then post.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: kps on Mon, 02 September 2013, 11:16:32
I've not Alps keyboard to take measurements from, I'll try and find resources online and then post.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=5318.msg77984#msg77984
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 02 September 2013, 11:23:20
Thank you very much, I'll add them soon.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: yasuo on Mon, 02 September 2013, 11:35:12
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=5318.msg77984#msg77984
:p
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: yasuo on Mon, 02 September 2013, 19:33:47
Added
http://smartdata.usbid.com/datasheets/usbid/2000/2000-q2/5454_31.pdf
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 02 September 2013, 20:04:14
Thanks, will add.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Tue, 03 September 2013, 02:08:53
Hey! It's a sticky! And at the top!

By the way, thanks for the basic keyboard layouts. I'm working on... something, and I found it very useful.

Thanks, just saw, really happy. I'll post more stuff as it is collected.

I don't have the time in hand, but would love to go through the thousands of posts in the making stuff subforum and any any and everything relevant to the OP.

I think we should have a "Resources and Info Hub" subforum!
Information only, keyboard-science FTW...
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Thimplum on Tue, 03 September 2013, 10:00:13
Hmm... I feel like I should contribute something... but what?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 03 September 2013, 10:21:20
Here are a couple of Alps switch plate files, if anyone would like them.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 03 September 2013, 14:09:18
Thank you sir.

Can I extract the components and post them as a dxf?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 03 September 2013, 14:24:39
Thank you sir.

Can I extract the components and post them as a dxf?


I was hoping you would do that, yes. :)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 03 September 2013, 21:06:55
Hehe. Good to know.

I'll update  the OP soon.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: frogamic on Wed, 11 September 2013, 21:25:16
You might want to add this diagram of a costar stabiliser cutout (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33298.0;attach=951;image) from the DIY resources thread in this sub.

EDIT: credit to bpiphany for the diagram
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 11 September 2013, 21:35:22
You might want to add this diagram of a costar stabiliser cutout (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33298.0;attach=951;image) from the DIY resources thread in this sub.

EDIT: credit to bpiphany for the diagram

The one in the OP supports both the costar and cherry stabs.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 22 September 2013, 20:26:31
Added 3D model of Cherry MX Switch to OP
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: yasuo on Wed, 02 October 2013, 22:30:58
snip
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: redskull on Sun, 06 October 2013, 11:16:38
Hey! It's a sticky! And at the top!

By the way, thanks for the basic keyboard layouts. I'm working on... something, and I found it very useful.

Thanks, just saw, really happy. I'll post more stuff as it is collected.

I don't have the time in hand, but would love to go through the thousands of posts in the making stuff subforum and any any and everything relevant to the OP.
Hi MOZ,

is it possible to have drawings of aluminium 75% and 60% casings? amazing job by the way make this thread!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 October 2013, 11:28:31
Hey! It's a sticky! And at the top!

By the way, thanks for the basic keyboard layouts. I'm working on... something, and I found it very useful.

Thanks, just saw, really happy. I'll post more stuff as it is collected.

I don't have the time in hand, but would love to go through the thousands of posts in the making stuff subforum and any any and everything relevant to the OP.
Hi MOZ,

is it possible to have drawings of aluminium 75% and 60% casings? amazing job by the way make this thread!

I don't quite follow, do you have an example of what you want?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: redskull on Sun, 06 October 2013, 12:31:03
Hey! It's a sticky! And at the top!

By the way, thanks for the basic keyboard layouts. I'm working on... something, and I found it very useful.

Thanks, just saw, really happy. I'll post more stuff as it is collected.

I don't have the time in hand, but would love to go through the thousands of posts in the making stuff subforum and any any and everything relevant to the OP.
Hi MOZ,

is it possible to have drawings of aluminium 75% and 60% casings? amazing job by the way make this thread!

I don't quite follow, do you have an example of what you want?
no i dont. what i meant was drawings of custom aluminium keyboard housings that fits standard pcb's from Filco, etc. or custom pcb's such as the TRix or the ps2avr87.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 October 2013, 13:07:25
I am still confused when you say aluminum.

Are you looking for a layered case, cut in aluminum? Or a 3D model that can be milled from aluminium. If the former, then please have a look at my signature, I am still working on creating open source cases for 60% and TKL boards.

If you mean the latter, then sorry I have no experience with 3D modelling and someone else might be able to help you.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: redskull on Sun, 06 October 2013, 21:04:31
I am still confused when you say aluminum.

Are you looking for a layered case, cut in aluminum? Or a 3D model that can be milled from aluminium. If the former, then please have a look at my signature, I am still working on creating open source cases for 60% and TKL boards.

If you mean the latter, then sorry I have no experience with 3D modelling and someone else might be able to help you.
ok, just checked your signature, good job. what i meant was the casing is made of aluminium, not acrylic like in your thread. im looking for a case like from a KMAC or LZ series that fit the ps2avr87 pcb. i guess you cant help me then MOZ.  :(
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 October 2013, 21:19:44
I can help you with layered designs.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: redskull on Sun, 06 October 2013, 21:41:16
I can help you with layered designs.
may i know how? what i need are casing drawings to send to a CNC place so they can cut aluminiums accordingly.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 October 2013, 21:53:28
I can make the drawings for them.

You could go the way of some members here, where they combined layered design's layers to make a two piece case that could be milled out of solid aluminum.

However I have no idea how to combine the layers, so sorry about that.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: redskull on Sun, 06 October 2013, 22:44:04
I can make the drawings for them.

You could go the way of some members here, where they combined layered design's layers to make a two piece case that could be milled out of solid aluminum.

However I have no idea how to combine the layers, so sorry about that.
any pictures of these layered designs?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 06 October 2013, 22:46:56
I can make the drawings for them.

You could go the way of some members here, where they combined layered design's layers to make a two piece case that could be milled out of solid aluminum.

However I have no idea how to combine the layers, so sorry about that.
any pictures of these layered designs?

Just do Google image search for "litster case" or "acrylic TKL case." I'm sure you will come up with something.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: redskull on Sun, 06 October 2013, 23:15:33
I can make the drawings for them.

You could go the way of some members here, where they combined layered design's layers to make a two piece case that could be milled out of solid aluminum.

However I have no idea how to combine the layers, so sorry about that.
any pictures of these layered designs?

Just do Google image search for "litster case" or "acrylic TKL case." I'm sure you will come up with something.
thanks jd. so basicly, use the drawings for the acrylic TKL case to CNC an aluminium version of it?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 October 2013, 23:58:31
Yes. However if you go with my case, I would recommend waiting for a bit, as I am still reviewing the design and making possible changes.

If you are using a PS2AVR/Trix PCB, then kbdmania has same case drawings that have been used for production.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: redskull on Mon, 07 October 2013, 00:27:38
Yes. However if you go with my case, I would recommend waiting for a bit, as I am still reviewing the design and making possible changes.

If you are using a PS2AVR/Trix PCB, then kbdmania has same case drawings that have been used for production.
i searched kbdmania, but not found the ones like LZ or KMAC; all that i found was skinny-typed casing like GON's.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 07 October 2013, 00:35:06
That is what I meant, you'll find cases that can be laser cut for the PS2AVR/TRIX
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Thimplum on Mon, 07 October 2013, 20:35:18
Does anyone know what the mounting dimensions of a Poker II case are? I've STFW'd, but still can't find much.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 02:38:51
I need them myself.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 08 October 2013, 03:58:04
List of members who have made or designed 60% cases:

WhiteFireDragon
The_Beast
boost
oneproduct
treble318
imsto
Photekq
damorgue
nubbinator
Alixinhzai

Maybe that can be your starting point.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Thimplum on Tue, 08 October 2013, 08:00:09
Bah, I'll pm some people and then post it back here.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Thimplum on Tue, 08 October 2013, 08:02:23
NVM!

I saw pho's acrylic GH60 case, and I noticed that he'd open sourced it. There's only four mounting holes. Would this really work for a poker case?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 08 October 2013, 08:07:24
The thing you want to find out is the plate size for the Poker 2, otherwise mounting holes are exactly the same as the GH60.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: redskull on Thu, 10 October 2013, 00:30:08
That is what I meant, you'll find cases that can be laser cut for the PS2AVR/TRIX
well, im giving up... for now. cant seem to find drawing for aluminium cases. all that is available under open-source are skinny ones. alu cases most probably go under closed-source, which is very understandable considering the amount of work and effort to make one from scratch.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 10 October 2013, 22:55:31
completely forgot about this repository until melvang asked, but the case modders at bit-tech.net have built an awesome sketchup repository of popular pc cases and pc components. if your keyboard project interacts with more than just the keyboard, this repo is quite helpful. it is located here: http://scc.jezmckean.com/
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 10 October 2013, 23:56:46
Thanks a lot kawa.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Sat, 19 October 2013, 21:30:42
Any chance we can get layouts for costar only stabilizer holes in the list on page one for people that either don't want cherry stabs or have a design that prohibits them?  If not how would you go about simplifying the combined stab holes for costar only?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 19 October 2013, 21:37:39
Any chance we can get layouts for costar only stabilizer holes in the list on page one for people that either don't want cherry stabs or have a design that prohibits them?  If not how would you go about simplifying the combined stab holes for costar only?
You can adapt the Cherry stabiliser holes to Costar very easily! In fact, in a way the Cherry stabiliser holes contain the Costar stabiliser holes.

(http://i.imgur.com/aykVZK5.png)

The center rectangle coloured in black is the Costar stabiliser hole. It's the exact same position as the Cherry stabiliser holes in MOZ's drawings, just remove the excess around the rectangle. Also remove the long lines that connect the stab holes and the switch hole.

Or, alternatively, just use the Cherry stabiliser holes! They will work with both kinds of stabilisers.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: inteli722 on Sat, 19 October 2013, 22:33:14
Awesome!


With some CAD software at school and limited access to a 3D printer, I feel obliged to use these resources to make a keycap of my very own.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 19 October 2013, 22:39:27
Awesome!


With some CAD software at school and limited access to a 3D printer, I feel obliged to use these resources to make a keycap of my very own.
Let me know if you need any help man! :)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: inteli722 on Sat, 19 October 2013, 22:47:59
Awesome!


With some CAD software at school and limited access to a 3D printer, I feel obliged to use these resources to make a keycap of my very own.
Let me know if you need any help man! :)


I will! Your stem measures will be really helpful.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Sat, 19 October 2013, 23:21:32
Any chance we can get layouts for costar only stabilizer holes in the list on page one for people that either don't want cherry stabs or have a design that prohibits them?  If not how would you go about simplifying the combined stab holes for costar only?
You can adapt the Cherry stabiliser holes to Costar very easily! In fact, in a way the Cherry stabiliser holes contain the Costar stabiliser holes.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/aykVZK5.png)


The center rectangle coloured in black is the Costar stabiliser hole. It's the exact same position as the Cherry stabiliser holes in MOZ's drawings, just remove the excess around the rectangle. Also remove the long lines that connect the stab holes and the switch hole.

Or, alternatively, just use the Cherry stabiliser holes! They will work with both kinds of stabilisers.

Thanks photek.  For this plate as you are aware of I am going for simplicity.  No easy swap stems, costar only ( plate won't allow for cherry), and no PCB.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: bueller on Sun, 20 October 2013, 08:30:04
Anyone got a plate file for a Poker/GH60? Going to get in on the 60% pcb from sprit so I want to get my plates cut ahead of time. I could do it myself but I'm not confident I'll get the positioning right for the mounting hardware.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 20 October 2013, 08:41:42
Anyone got a plate file for a Poker/GH60? Going to get in on the 60% pcb from sprit so I want to get my plates cut ahead of time. I could do it myself but I'm not confident I'll get the positioning right for the mounting hardware.

GH60 is opensource, I used it to design the case for my acrylic case and it should be correct as the GH60 was designed to be compatible with the Poker cases.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: bueller on Sun, 20 October 2013, 08:50:18
Anyone got a plate file for a Poker/GH60? Going to get in on the 60% pcb from sprit so I want to get my plates cut ahead of time. I could do it myself but I'm not confident I'll get the positioning right for the mounting hardware.

GH60 is opensource, I used it to design the case for my acrylic case and it should be correct as the GH60 was designed to be compatible with the Poker cases.

I tried looking for a GH60 plate file as well but couldn't seem to find anything. Plenty of images but no cad files.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 20 October 2013, 09:45:24
Anyone got a plate file for a Poker/GH60? Going to get in on the 60% pcb from sprit so I want to get my plates cut ahead of time. I could do it myself but I'm not confident I'll get the positioning right for the mounting hardware.

GH60 is opensource, I used it to design the case for my acrylic case and it should be correct as the GH60 was designed to be compatible with the Poker cases.

I tried looking for a GH60 plate file as well but couldn't seem to find anything. Plenty of images but no cad files.

I think he was implying that you could use the measurements of the mounting holes from the GH60 PCB to draw the holes in the plate.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: bueller on Sun, 20 October 2013, 09:57:25
Anyone got a plate file for a Poker/GH60? Going to get in on the 60% pcb from sprit so I want to get my plates cut ahead of time. I could do it myself but I'm not confident I'll get the positioning right for the mounting hardware.

GH60 is opensource, I used it to design the case for my acrylic case and it should be correct as the GH60 was designed to be compatible with the Poker cases.

I tried looking for a GH60 plate file as well but couldn't seem to find anything. Plenty of images but no cad files.

I think he was implying that you could use the measurements of the mounting holes from the GH60 PCB to draw the holes in the plate.

Ahhh right, that would make far too much sense!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: roadblock2thesun on Mon, 21 October 2013, 09:07:01
Does anyone have a 3d model of the various keycap profiles? I am preferably looking for something in sketchup format, but anything will do. I've seen a few screen captures of 3d keycap models, but can't seem to find the model files any where.

Thanks!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 21 October 2013, 09:26:19
Anyone have actual dimensions for the bottom of DCS caps for larger than 1u sizes?  Also I am looking for the radius for the corners on the bottom of DCS family caps as well. 

Has anyone tried scanning caps to get actual dimensions from them?

Edit:  I have downloaded the keylayouts.dwg file from here and tried measuring some of the caps and I think something got mucked up in the conversion to open it with SolidWorks.  It is telling me that the width of a 1.5 unit Tab key is 701mm.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: bpiphany on Mon, 21 October 2013, 10:03:41
Anyone have actual dimensions for the bottom of DCS caps for larger than 1u sizes?  Also I am looking for the radius for the corners on the bottom of DCS family caps as well. 

Has anyone tried scanning caps to get actual dimensions from them?

Edit:  I have downloaded the keylayouts.dwg file from here and tried measuring some of the caps and I think something got mucked up in the conversion to open it with SolidWorks.  It is telling me that the width of a 1.5 unit Tab key is 701mm.  Any ideas?

Might be a factor 25.4 off, or what? (1.5u)x(0.75*25.4 mm/u)=28.575, 701/25.4=27.598, 28.575-27.598=0.977mm which sounds like a plausible key spacing...
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 21 October 2013, 10:22:33
Well I did a couple maths and I am getting a factor of 25.7342657

Distance between edges of a 1u cap measured on .dwg = 18.4"
Distance between edges of a 1u cap listed by keycapsdirect.com = .715"

18.4/.715=25.7342657

Hmmmm looks like I need to find some calipers to measure these other caps.  Or getting in touch of SP for actual dimensions from them for 1.5, 1.75, 2, 2.25, and 2.75u caps.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 21 October 2013, 10:28:10
Yeah, there is something wrong in the conversion, as I used the measurements from keycapdirect for the 1u and used the same spacing to calculate other sizes.

Not sure of the corner radius though. I just approximated.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 21 October 2013, 10:31:27
Yeah, there is something wrong in the conversion, as I used the measurements from keycapdirect for the 1u and used the same spacing to calculate other sizes.

Not sure of the corner radius though. I just approximated.

Pm sent MOZ

Well I was on the wrong profile anyway but eitherway I just opened up the file using eDrawings 2013 and got the same numbers there as well
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: bpiphany on Mon, 21 October 2013, 12:14:30
My best bet is still that you are only a factor of 25.4 off. The rest is probably rounding errors, or different family keycaps have different widths. Or there is a non-25.4mm inch involved somewhere...

Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 21 October 2013, 13:44:44
My best bet is still that you are only a factor of 25.4 off. The rest is probably rounding errors, or different family keycaps have different widths. Or there is a non-25.4mm inch involved somewhere...

Yeah I have sent an email to SP regarding actual widths on keycaps.  Either way if I don't get a response back I have placed a bid on this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/STARRETT-7-VERNIER-122-w-WOOD-CASE-/121195105274?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c37ca8bfa) so when they come in the mail (if I win the auction) I will be able to measure them accurately myself.

Edit:  I have received a response from Melissa at SP regarding key cap dimensions on some of the larger keys.  The following is the response from her.
Key sizes are below for our DCS keycaps:
1.25 Space - 0.903" wide x 0.715"
1.5 space - 1.090" wide x 0.715"
1.75 space - 1.278" wide x 0.715"
2 space - 1.465" wide x 0.715"
2.25 space - 1.653" wide x 0.715"
2.75 space - 2.028" wide x 0.715"
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 22 October 2013, 04:22:13
Looks to me like like our calculations were correct, they use a spacing of .035".

I'll edit the file and upload it again.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Tue, 22 October 2013, 23:26:51
Any of you good folks know the radius at the bottom of a DCS cap?  Looking for the outside of the cap not the inside.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 23 October 2013, 06:47:46
Nope, sorry. Ask SP?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: hargon on Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:45:05
Thanks for the great resources.  Would it be possible to upload these (I am especially interested in plate_components.dwg) as SVG files? This would make it much easier to access them, since DWG is not that well supported in free Linux software.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:48:10
... DWG is not that well supported in free Linux software.

LibreCAD, QCAD Community Edition, etc...
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: hargon on Wed, 23 October 2013, 13:20:31
Unfortunately, In the present (Ubuntu) versions exactly these programs are not able to deal with DWG files (According to Wikipedia and me trying it). ;)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 23 October 2013, 19:29:57
Nope, sorry. Ask SP?

Got a reply back from Melissa at SP and she said that the radius is .078".
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: doub on Sat, 02 November 2013, 20:48:55
Can anyone recommend a free (as in free beer) software on Windows to edit DWG files? In particular I'd like to create a full size Cherry MX backplate file to send to a laser cutting company, but I have no idea what software to use.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 02 November 2013, 23:28:16
Inkscape.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: doub on Sun, 03 November 2013, 20:39:06
I can't find how to open or save DWG files with Inkscape. Do you need a special version or some kind of plugin?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: TD22057 on Sun, 03 November 2013, 20:57:55
Can anyone recommend a free (as in free beer) software on Windows to edit DWG files? In particular I'd like to create a full size Cherry MX backplate file to send to a laser cutting company, but I have no idea what software to use.

I use DraftSight (http://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight/).  Works great and it's free.  Check out the plate prototyping thread (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40567.msg871748#msg871748) for a lot of good info (the whole thread is worth reading).
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: codyeatworld on Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:01:49
I installed solidworks today, watched some videos at cadjunkie@youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/cadjunkie). I recommend it if your trying to get started with solidworks.
photek showed me the channel, the videos are from 2010, but they still apply for SW13.

edit: a night later...
(http://i.imgur.com/Uj5piho.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/wmOfa5U.png)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: doub on Mon, 04 November 2013, 09:44:39
I use DraftSight (http://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight/).  Works great and it's free.

I also stumbled on that one. It looks complete, but after an hour or so of reading the introductory guide it looks rather complex.

Quote
Check out the plate prototyping thread (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40567.msg871748#msg871748) for a lot of good info (the whole thread is worth reading).

I used that thread as main inspiration for my current project (ie. realizing the non-staggered layout I want with that lasercut+bent backplane mounting method).

I installed solidworks today, watched some videos at cadjunkie@youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/cadjunkie). I recommend it if your trying to get started with solidworks.
photek showed me the channel, the videos are from 2010, but they still apply for SW13.

edit: a night later...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Uj5piho.png)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wmOfa5U.png)


Thanks for the links, but is there a free version of SolidWorks? I'm doing mostly open source hardware+software, I'd like to avoid forcing people reusing my stuff to use a proprietary software.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 04 November 2013, 09:53:10
I use DraftSight (http://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight/).  Works great and it's free.

I also stumbled on that one. It looks complete, but after an hour or so of reading the introductory guide it looks rather complex.

Quote
Check out the plate prototyping thread (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40567.msg871748#msg871748) for a lot of good info (the whole thread is worth reading).

I used that thread as main inspiration for my current project (ie. realizing the non-staggered layout I want with that lasercut+bent backplane mounting method).

I installed solidworks today, watched some videos at cadjunkie@youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/cadjunkie). I recommend it if your trying to get started with solidworks.
photek showed me the channel, the videos are from 2010, but they still apply for SW13.

edit: a night later...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Uj5piho.png)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wmOfa5U.png)


Thanks for the links, but is there a free version of SolidWorks? I'm doing mostly open source hardware+software, I'd like to avoid forcing people reusing my stuff to use a proprietary software.

Sorry man but there is no free version of Solidworks.  There is a student version that can be had by college students for around the $150 range or if you are a US military Veteran you can get the same version for $20 but requires you to email a scanned image/pic of your DD214.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: yasuo on Fri, 13 December 2013, 04:22:03
moz,you have gh60 plate?
i see no on OP
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 13 December 2013, 05:45:01
GH60 plates have not been made available by WFD yet. However you can check the GH60 open source acrylic case thread, I have a working plate design, that should work with GH60 no problem.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: ripospfeigrp on Tue, 21 January 2014, 15:16:04
u refers to a Unit by Cherry, which is 19.05mm. 2.25u is the same as 2.25*19.05mm

Edit:  I have received a response from Melissa at SP regarding key cap dimensions on some of the larger keys.  The following is the response from her.
Key sizes are below for our DCS keycaps:
1.25 Space - 0.903" wide x 0.715"
1.5 space - 1.090" wide x 0.715"
1.75 space - 1.278" wide x 0.715"
2 space - 1.465" wide x 0.715"
2.25 space - 1.653" wide x 0.715"
2.75 space - 2.028" wide x 0.715"

2.25 * 19.05mm =/= 1.653 inches

is SP following Cherry standards? i understand Melvang/Melissa from SP suffixes with ### space. if that is their own proprietary unit, how do you fit their caps with Cherry switches? or more specifically, PCBs
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 21 January 2014, 15:23:23
is SP following Cherry standards? i understand Melvang/Melissa from SP suffixes with ### space. if that is their own proprietary unit, how do you fit their caps with Cherry switches? or more specifically, PCBs
I think you misunderstand.

A 19.05mm unit is the space between the centre of two switch holes on a switch plate that are meant for 1x keycaps. The 1x keycaps themselves are smaller than 19.05mm.

(http://i.imgur.com/dNPl1uS.png)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: ripospfeigrp on Tue, 21 January 2014, 15:35:28
I think you misunderstand.

A 19.05mm unit is the space between the centre of two switch holes on a switch plate that are meant for 1x keycaps. The 1x keycaps themselves are smaller than 19.05mm.

thanks. is there a standard dimension for 1x keycaps?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 21 January 2014, 15:43:26
As Photekq said, 19.05 mm or 0.75 inches is the space between the center of two 1u switches. So a 1u switch occupies 0.75", a 2u switch would occupy 1.5".

Now keycaps a re slightly smaller because if they weren't, they'd rub against each other, so if you observe carefully, you'd notice that this spacing between each DCS keycap is 0.035". So, a 1u DCS keycap is 0.715" x 0.715".

Thus a 2.25 unit would be 0.75" * 2.25 - 0.035" = 1.6525" which is approximated to 1.653" by SP.

Edit: You can see the datasheet for each vendor for each keycap profile, the generally supply the width for 1u, and maintain the same "difference" (From Cherry 1u) with larger keys as well.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 21 January 2014, 15:45:49
I think you misunderstand.

A 19.05mm unit is the space between the centre of two switch holes on a switch plate that are meant for 1x keycaps. The 1x keycaps themselves are smaller than 19.05mm.

thanks. is there a standard dimension for 1x keycaps?
There's no standard dimension.

Original Cherry keycaps(esc row) are about 18.3x18.4mm by my rough measurements
SP keycaps (esc row) are about 18.05x18.1mm by my rough measurements
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Mon, 17 February 2014, 23:18:26
I think you misunderstand.

A 19.05mm unit is the space between the centre of two switch holes on a switch plate that are meant for 1x keycaps. The 1x keycaps themselves are smaller than 19.05mm.

thanks. is there a standard dimension for 1x keycaps?
There's no standard dimension.

Original Cherry keycaps(esc row) are about 18.3x18.4mm by my rough measurements
SP keycaps (esc row) are about 18.05x18.1mm by my rough measurements

According to Melissa from SP the DCS caps single unit caps are .715" square.  Don't remember the radius on the corners.  I could find it but would take some digging in my email to find it.  I actually measured/calculated this and came up with the same number though.

In regards to the Teensy Breakout board, OldDataHands has provided an updated version that puts the mount holes for screws on the sides instead of the ends to allow the USB plug to be put right up to the face of a project box.  He has some touch ups to do but an image of it can be found here.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45587.msg1230988#msg1230988  So when this gets finished up can we get it posted along with the original version?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 19 February 2014, 08:13:18
Hey Moz, can you add the info in this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54514.msg1232325#msg1232325) to your OP?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 19 February 2014, 08:32:55
Updated, also added Alps specifications sheet.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 19 February 2014, 20:34:58
Stepped = 4.763mm to the left.
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(http://i.imgur.com/AlI9qqI.png)


So by this the difference between a center and off center caps lock is 4.763mm or .1875 inches, correct?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 20 February 2014, 00:49:25
Yes, 0.25u.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 20 February 2014, 00:51:54
Cool thanks for the confirmation Moz.  I am working on a design that will allow for both locations on plate mount with no PCB but have a square hole for the switch which will allow stable switch location.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 20 February 2014, 06:08:39
Regarding the Phantom plate designs in first post; will they fit Cherry and Costar stabs equally with no problems? Do they allow for removal of the switch tops? I have been searching the forums and found reference to an 'improved' design by WFD. Are those CAD files good to go?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 20 February 2014, 06:10:03
Regarding the Phantom plate designs in first post; will they fit Cherry and Costar stabs equally with no problems? I have been searching the forums and found reference to an 'improved' design by WFD. Are those CAD files good to go?

They are good to go, do you a have link regarding the reference, just to be sure.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 20 February 2014, 06:43:17
Regarding the Phantom plate designs in first post; will they fit Cherry and Costar stabs equally with no problems? I have been searching the forums and found reference to an 'improved' design by WFD. Are those CAD files good to go?

They are good to go, do you a have link regarding the reference, just to be sure.
Sure. http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38623.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38623.0) It confusing to keep up with many iterations and designs. All I really want is to find one that has been made already and that I can use.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 20 February 2014, 06:46:06
stoic-lemon, which plate design are you looking for? I may be able to help you out there.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 20 February 2014, 06:55:30
I'd be happy with any ANSI layout really. The ones in the .zip I have downloaded look fine to my untrained eye, but I'm really not sure if those are the only freely available designs or whether there are others I ought to consider.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: justnits on Thu, 20 February 2014, 10:47:05
is there a CAD file for the switch sticker design filled in an A4 size?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 20 February 2014, 12:10:54
stoic-lemon, the files in the OP will support costar and cherry (Both PCB and plate mounted)

justnits, no, there isn't a file for an A4 size, but should be asy enough to take the one drawing and form a matrix.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 21 February 2014, 06:10:46
OK, so I'm starting to gather some quotes for cutting. I have opened the plate file in DraftSight and it looks great (thanks JD and Moz) I'm filling in a form for a quote for a plate cut from 1.5mm stainless steel and attaching the .dxf file. The form is asking for dimensions, but I assume that info will be in the file? I couldn't figure it out.

I'm hesitant to ask too many questions here that are outside the scope of this thread, but any other pointers concerning material choice, thickness, etc. would be appreciated.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 21 February 2014, 06:15:10
The file is to scale, so the dimensions are what they are in the file, ie, the length is the length of the plate, etc.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 21 February 2014, 06:43:52
Sorry, I should have told you those files I sent you are in millimeters. That's all they are asking, whether they are in millimeters or inches.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: zamphere on Tue, 11 March 2014, 11:51:08

Individual components for designing plates (DWG) (http://www.dropbox.com/s/vb3fg4ndgq5ohmf/plate_components.dwg) This has pretty much all the different sized key units, including universal key units for mods based on the excellent work by WhiteFireDragon on the GH60 plates. I would also like to give a shout out to jdcarpe for his brilliant work in designing plates, which was the foundation for this work.

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(http://i.imgur.com/Hd5kmJA.png)





For mounting cherry mx switches do I want holes like this in the plate?

(http://i.imgur.com/FeggbO6.png)

which is 13.9700 mm (0.55 inches) wide or do I want the one that is 13.9451 mm.  13.9451 mm wide switches are most common in GH designs I have seen like this one here:

(http://i.imgur.com/3Kgmwum.png)



Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 11 March 2014, 12:20:24
Won't really matter as Cherry specification has .002in = .05mm tolerance.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: zamphere on Tue, 11 March 2014, 12:57:37
Won't really matter as Cherry specification has .002in = .05mm tolerance.

Thank you, that is a relief. 

BTW Do you have templates for laptop keys too?  I really like those square key caps on the lenovo.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 11 March 2014, 13:40:23
Nope :(
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Lubed Up Slug on Sun, 11 May 2014, 15:23:23
What is the standard spacing between cherry switches? I am not getting this part.  Also a lot of the files on the drop box cannot be accessed anymore.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Sun, 11 May 2014, 16:35:29
What is the standard spacing between cherry switches? I am not getting this part.  Also a lot of the files on the drop box cannot be accessed anymore.

.75 inches or 19.05 mm

Edit:  SP dcs profile single unit caps are .715x.715 inches and at .75 inch spacing leaves you with .035 inches between caps.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Naed on Fri, 06 June 2014, 22:18:10
Moz / Very nice work on gathering this info :)

Any chance of a refresh on the dropbbox links (they seem to have been disabled)?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 07 June 2014, 06:37:46
I'll have some time later next week, I'll update the links, there was a security issue that DropBox had and they had reset many public links.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Naed on Sat, 07 June 2014, 06:47:13
Moz/ Absolutely no rush :)

Thank you :)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: trishume on Tue, 01 July 2014, 13:45:07
I made some AutoCad files that use blocks for the Cherry cutouts that include separate layers for bounding boxes, cutouts and key caps. That way you can turn them on an off separately for different visualizations.
It includes blocks for 3 different shapes of cutout and a couple different sizes. Also includes a small test plate which you can laser cut to see which cutout type works best for you.

All the basic parts are taken from other cad files in this thread like jdcarpe's plate components file. Note that this file will likely only work in AutoCad and not other programs that can open AutoCad files.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 01 July 2014, 14:33:24
Thanks, I'll surely add it to the OP.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: SonicRevolution on Tue, 01 July 2014, 18:12:21
Hey guys,

I'm looking for some contract CAD engineers with keyboard experience to vet some ideas.  Any recommendation? Feel free to ping me on this thread or email me!  :D  brian@qwerkytoys.com

Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: redskull on Thu, 03 July 2014, 13:36:47
edit, found it.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sakai4eva on Tue, 15 July 2014, 22:32:40
Hey, can anyone point me to the right direction for the litster phantom case?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 15 July 2014, 22:56:05
Hey, can anyone point me to the right direction for the litster phantom case?

The design isn't open for that one. That's why they are sought after, and expensive.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sakai4eva on Wed, 16 July 2014, 03:03:10
Hey, can anyone point me to the right direction for the litster phantom case?

The design isn't open for that one. That's why they are sought after, and expensive.
How about a more general cry for help in making an acrylic case for TKLs? I have access to a cutter and it'll be a shame not to use it fully until I have to return it :(
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 16 July 2014, 12:29:36
Check my open source tkl case thread.

I was almost done before an accident so now I have quite an older version.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sakai4eva on Wed, 16 July 2014, 21:52:59
Check my open source tkl case thread.

I was almost done before an accident so now I have quite an older version.

Thanks! Exactly what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Lubed Up Slug on Wed, 30 July 2014, 00:28:22
So on the components file, what are the differences with the spacebars and also the different stabilized switch cutouts?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 30 July 2014, 19:21:30
I'm trying to put mounting holes in my dxf file. Does anyone have a drawing for a poker case compatible plate I can overlay. If what I'm saying doesn't make sense it's because I don't know what I'm doing. Please be kind :)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 30 July 2014, 19:26:22
I'm trying to put mounting holes in my dxf file. Does anyone have a drawing for a poker case compatible plate I can overlay. If what I'm saying doesn't make sense it's because I don't know what I'm doing. Please be kind :)
The file I use is not exactly precise with regard to where the mounting holes are in relation to the PCB. It overcomes the lack of precision by having the holes be larger than necessary. I don't think you really want that. :(
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: WhiteRice on Wed, 30 July 2014, 19:32:47
I'm trying to put mounting holes in my dxf file. Does anyone have a drawing for a poker case compatible plate I can overlay. If what I'm saying doesn't make sense it's because I don't know what I'm doing. Please be kind :)
The file I use is not exactly precise with regard to where the mounting holes are in relation to the PCB. It overcomes the lack of precision by having the holes be larger than necessary. I don't think you really want that. :(

I'm just getting used to draft sight now. With the previously attached file is all I have to do is add the holes and widen the border?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: a7hanat0s on Wed, 06 August 2014, 05:04:10
Sorry if this is a noob question but im looking at the "phantom plates" file and im having an issue where the dimensions of the plates are 5.302mm x 13.982mm instead of 119mm x 344mm. Am I doing something wrong or is it the file? I checked it out using FreeCAD, Inkscape, and OpenSCAD.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 06 August 2014, 06:53:43
Sorry if this is a noob question but im looking at the "phantom plates" file and im having an issue where the dimensions of the plates are 5.302mm x 13.982mm instead of 119mm x 344mm. Am I doing something wrong or is it the file? I checked it out using FreeCAD, Inkscape, and OpenSCAD.
Sounds like the dimensions are in inches, not mm.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: gcb on Fri, 08 August 2014, 03:16:43
man, that drawing on the official cherry pdf is utter useless. it has zero measurements required for anyone designing a plate... sigh...

anyway, i just uploaded a simple model (in openSCAD) here http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:421524

it has all the correct measurements to 1. attach keycaps. 2. attach to a plate. everything else is a gross approximation :)

license is share-alike. fwiiw... and there are versioned source at bitbucket (github for grownups :) that you can fork/etc...
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: gcb on Fri, 08 August 2014, 04:54:01
Added the only picture with measurements that i could find in this thead to mm. (wth, SAE? are you guys fro real? :)

anyone can help me with the mount that only has the extra 4 spaces (2x2)? i think that is the best one.... can't find the exact measurements for that one.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Lubed Up Slug on Fri, 22 August 2014, 23:00:52
Where are the screw holes located between the ] and \ key and the tab and q for a 60% plate?  Are the screw holes just in the middle of the two switches? Also what is the radius of them?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 23 August 2014, 08:53:31
Where are the screw holes located between the ] and \ key and the tab and q for a 60% plate?  Are the screw holes just in the middle of the two switches? Also what is the radius of them?

If you center them between the two switches, and use a raduis of 3.175mm, the fact that they aren't perfectly aligned with the screw holes will be compensated by their size. That's what I use. :)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Lubed Up Slug on Sat, 23 August 2014, 12:39:12
Where are the screw holes located between the ] and \ key and the tab and q for a 60% plate?  Are the screw holes just in the middle of the two switches? Also what is the radius of them?

If you center them between the two switches, and use a raduis of 3.175mm, the fact that they aren't perfectly aligned with the screw holes will be compensated by their size. That's what I use. :)

Cool thanks  :thumb:

Also can I make the plate compatible with both a pure and poker layout by using the 2.75 universal switch cutout?

It seems to look like it would.

(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2145339/width/500/height/1000)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 23 August 2014, 14:53:08
Where are the screw holes located between the ] and \ key and the tab and q for a 60% plate?  Are the screw holes just in the middle of the two switches? Also what is the radius of them?

If you center them between the two switches, and use a raduis of 3.175mm, the fact that they aren't perfectly aligned with the screw holes will be compensated by their size. That's what I use. :)

Cool thanks  :thumb:

Also can I make the plate compatible with both a pure and poker layout by using the 2.75 universal switch cutout?

It seems to look like it would.

Show Image
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2145339/width/500/height/1000)


Yes, but then you MUST use PCB mount stabilizers. Because you just cut away the area in the plate where stabilizers would mount.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Lubed Up Slug on Sat, 23 August 2014, 15:08:52
Where are the screw holes located between the ] and \ key and the tab and q for a 60% plate?  Are the screw holes just in the middle of the two switches? Also what is the radius of them?

If you center them between the two switches, and use a raduis of 3.175mm, the fact that they aren't perfectly aligned with the screw holes will be compensated by their size. That's what I use. :)

Cool thanks  :thumb:

Also can I make the plate compatible with both a pure and poker layout by using the 2.75 universal switch cutout?

It seems to look like it would.

Show Image
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2145339/width/500/height/1000)


Yes, but then you MUST use PCB mount stabilizers. Because you just cut away the area in the plate where stabilizers would mount.

So do I need to use this cutout with the little tabs on the bottom? Is there another that would also get the left side of what would be the shift switch in a pure layout for more stability? Or maybe even a shorter cutout with the tabs for the stabs off centered? I'll draw a mockup of what I was thinking when i get home.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: petterroea on Fri, 03 October 2014, 00:14:48
Is there any teensy 3.1 layouts avallable for tinycad or eagle?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 06 October 2014, 16:08:49
Is ISO Enter for Cherry MX usually stab bar open inward or open outward?
For 60% / Poker II compatible plate, what is the dimensions on x and y for edge of the plate, as well as distance from edges relative to the Esc key? Is the corners filet at 0.0787in / 2mm?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 17 October 2014, 05:25:14
I'll be updating some of the files hopefully by the end of the weekend and also update the OP.

Things to update:
- Update plate components to include alps-only switch cutouts (For non-stab requiring keys) and hybird MX-Alps switch cutouts.
- Update plate components to be colored coded so it is easier to organise and remove extra drawings
- Update plate components to include stabilizer cutouts for setups using acrylic plates with PCB-mount stabs
- Add to OP: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:421524
- Add to OP: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47744.msg1384268#msg1384268
- Fix Dropbox file links
- Thumbnails for the files that don't already have one

If there is anything else, please let me know.

I also hopefully sometime in the near future intend to post the completed, fixed acrylic cases for the other projects I had started such as the TKL/60%/1800/Lube stattion/GHPad/QazPad/etc. No promises though. :D
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: yasuo on Fri, 17 October 2014, 06:06:47
it's really file mx cad i can make clone :))
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 24 October 2014, 16:46:52
I added a sample MX mounting plate to the second post as an attachment at the end (60%, ANSI 125 layout).
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: pksk on Fri, 24 October 2014, 21:51:18
Does anybody have a .dwg for a keyboard with with Matias ALPS switches?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 24 October 2014, 22:18:43
Does anybody have a .dwg for a keyboard with with Matias ALPS switches?

You just need this picture. It's a rectangular hole 12.9x15.6mm. Still 19.05mm spacing center to center. :)

(http://imgur.com/XYJqdwi.jpg)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jacobolus on Fri, 24 October 2014, 23:56:49
You just need this picture [for Alps/Matias plates]. It's a rectangular hole 12.9x15.6mm. Still 19.05mm spacing center to center. :)

Show Image
(http://imgur.com/XYJqdwi.jpg)

This differs from all the specs Ive seen, which call for 12.8 x 15.5mm switch holes, with tolerances of -0.0 / +0.1 mm for each dimension. If your hole gets to be 12.95 x 15.65, which your diagram specifies as okay, the switch starts to be a bit loose, though it should still work.

The ideal width also slightly depends on the thickness of the plate. I highly recommend making a test plate in whatever material/process you plan to use, with switch holes of various dimensions, before making your final copy.

Personally I find that 12.7 x 15.45 holes work well enough for the switches Ive tried (but any smaller and it gets iffy), so Id aim for dimensions of 12.8x15.5 +/- 0.05mm.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: pksk on Sat, 25 October 2014, 01:29:10
Thanks friends, those measurements will be helpful. This CAD thing is really hitting me where it hurts (the brain). I can't seem to get the spacings or the measurements worked out at all. So many levels of zoom and different grids and blurg.

Anyway, these resources are still helpful, so thanks! :))
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: bazh on Wed, 05 November 2014, 08:04:48
Does any one know what the distance from the keycaps to the inner edge of the top part that's usually used is? I'm trying to design a housing and assume that it would be the same with the gaps between 2 keycaps (and so what is it by the way?)

:D
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 05 November 2014, 08:42:44
I don't really understand your question, an illustration would be immensely helpful
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jacobolus on Wed, 05 November 2014, 17:26:15
Does any one know what the distance from the keycaps to the inner edge of the top part that's usually used is? I'm trying to design a housing and assume that it would be the same with the gaps between 2 keycaps (and so what is it by the way?)
Gap between keycaps depends on the keycaps. Some are bigger than others, but center-to-center spacing is almost always consistent (.75 inches). Youll need to look at a spec sheet, or bust out some calipers, if you want to find how much space there is with your specific keycaps.

Same goes for any part of a case that sits next to the keycaps. The gap varies dramatically from one keyboard to the next. If youre making your own case, use however much space you personally prefer.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 06 November 2014, 04:18:09
Does any one know what the distance from the keycaps to the inner edge of the top part that's usually used is? I'm trying to design a housing and assume that it would be the same with the gaps between 2 keycaps (and so what is it by the way?)

:D

2.5mm is the bare minimum (I usually add something on my custom cases depending on material and case design)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 06 November 2014, 14:41:16
SP's DCS caps are .715" square for the single unit caps.  Use .75" spacing between switch centers and the math isn't that hard.  Other profile caps can be a touch different as well as caps from other companies such as BSP and GMK.  SP's DSA caps are a touch closer together at the bottom of the skirt.  Though I am not sure how much.  This is just from the difference in how my wire cap puller fits between keys of different profiles.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jacobolus on Thu, 06 November 2014, 16:37:08
SP's DCS caps are .715" square for the single unit caps.[...] SP's DSA caps are a touch closer together at the bottom of the skirt.
DSA are .725" square.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: bazh on Fri, 07 November 2014, 01:18:13
wow thank you guys :D
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 12 November 2014, 08:11:26
After all these months of use, am I the first to notice an error in this?  There are switch patterns for everything from 1.0x to 2.75x, but there seem to be TWO 2.25x patterns.  It appears that the 2.50x pattern is wrongly labeled "2.25".  (Is there actually a 2.50x keycap anyhow?)

The published version has vectorized labels, so I cannot correct this.  So I am reporting it instead.

But if someone can and will fix that item, perhaps they could address some or all of the following:

 - The ISO Enter key pattern is not labeled at all.  (It is the one that looks like a 1.25x2.0 vertical pattern.  It is not.)
 - The 6.0x spacebar pattern only covers the Cherry offset 6.0x spacebar, not the SP 6.0x spacebar.
 - Spacing for simple Costar stabilizers are missing entirely.
 - There is no author, version, source, scale, or copyright label at all.

This isn't my document, and I am just using a free copy of DraftSight, so I can't fix these things.  I can use it as-is, and probably so can anyone else who can design a plate, but it should probably be fixed nevertheless.

TL;DR The 2.50x switch pattern is mis-labeled. I can't fix that or some other things myself, so I am reporting it.

Thanks!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Sig auto-typed by my GH36 LH keypad.

Individual components for designing plates (DWG) (http://www.dropbox.com/s/vb3fg4ndgq5ohmf/plate_components.dwg) This has pretty much all the different sized key units, including universal key units for mods based on the excellent work by WhiteFireDragon on the GH60 plates. I would also like to give a shout out to jdcarpe for his brilliant work in designing plates, which was the foundation for this work.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Hd5kmJA.png)

Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 12 November 2014, 08:34:02
Thanks Ron, for finding these issues, I should probably address some of those things ASAP, which I will most likely in the weekend. Sorry for the delay, but I'm extremely busy at work this week as I just had a software deployment today, so the next few days are going to be a bit hectic.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 12 November 2014, 09:14:20
Thanks Ron, for finding these issues, I should probably address some of those things ASAP, which I will most likely in the weekend. Sorry for the delay, but I'm extremely busy at work this week as I just had a software deployment today, so the next few days are going to be a bit hectic.

Thanks for the quick reply.  Enjoy the post-deploy happiness!

FYI, I found specs for Costar switch stabs, but NOT spacebar stabs.  (I need 7x for my prototype GH-122.)
http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/costar-stabilizer-plate-measurements-t5872.html
http://deskthority.net/resources/image/8093

Again, I'd fix the doc myself, but I have crappy CAD software ATM.

Best regards,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Sig auto-typed by my GH36 LH keypad.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 12 November 2014, 09:31:55
Thanks for the reference image.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 12 November 2014, 09:45:05
Thanks Ron, for finding these issues, I should probably address some of those things ASAP, which I will most likely in the weekend. Sorry for the delay, but I'm extremely busy at work this week as I just had a software deployment today, so the next few days are going to be a bit hectic.

Thanks for the quick reply.  Enjoy the post-deploy happiness!

FYI, I found specs for Costar switch stabs, but NOT spacebar stabs.  (I need 7x for my prototype GH-122.)
http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/costar-stabilizer-plate-measurements-t5872.html
http://deskthority.net/resources/image/8093

Again, I'd fix the doc myself, but I have crappy CAD software ATM.

Best regards,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Sig auto-typed by my GH36 LH keypad.


The hole dimensions are of course the same for spacebar stabs, but for 7x the distance from switch center to stab hole center would be 57.15mm. FYI, there are NO 7x Costar stab wires, so you would need to bend your own.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Lubed Up Slug on Wed, 26 November 2014, 18:43:09
Where are the screw holes located between the ] and \ key and the tab and q for a 60% plate?  Are the screw holes just in the middle of the two switches? Also what is the radius of them?

If you center them between the two switches, and use a raduis of 3.175mm, the fact that they aren't perfectly aligned with the screw holes will be compensated by their size. That's what I use. :)

Cool thanks  :thumb:

Also can I make the plate compatible with both a pure and poker layout by using the 2.75 universal switch cutout?

It seems to look like it would.

Show Image
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2145339/width/500/height/1000)


Yes, but then you MUST use PCB mount stabilizers. Because you just cut away the area in the plate where stabilizers would mount.


One interesting thing I noticed about this switch cutout is that you can use two switches to act as the stabs for a right shift key and not have any middle switch. This probably only works for handwiring because you can move the switches around a little more but just a nice thing to know.


Just one small question, will these stab cutouts support Costar stabs?

(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2264128/width/500/height/1000)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 26 November 2014, 21:55:16
Where are the screw holes lo.cated between the ] and \ key and the tab and q for a 60% plate?  Are the screw holes just in the middle of the two switches? Also what is the radius of them?

If you center them between the two switches, and use a raduis of 3.175mm, the fact that they aren't perfectly aligned with the screw holes will be compensated by their size. That's what I use. :)

Cool thanks  :thumb:

Also can I make the plate compatible with both a pure and poker layout by using the 2.75 universal switch cutout?

It seems to look like it would.

Show Image
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2145339/width/500/height/1000)


Yes, but then you MUST use PCB mount stabilizers. Because you just cut away the area in the plate where stabilizers would mount.


One interesting thing I noticed about this switch cutout is that you can use two switches to act as the stabs for a right shift key and not have any middle switch. This probably only works for handwiring because you can move the switches around a little more but just a nice thing to know.


Just one small question, will these stab cutouts support Costar stabs?

Show Image
(http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2264128/width/500/height/1000)


Yes it will support both costar and cherry plate and PCB mount iirc
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 26 November 2014, 22:01:31
Sure will. :thumb:
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 27 December 2014, 21:31:56
Could someone turn this layout into a 6mm thick top piece/plate, sort of like sprit's 2S case?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 27 December 2014, 23:39:19
Yes, but the switches won't lock in, they'll stay in place but not snap in.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 28 December 2014, 01:04:11
Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 28 December 2014, 23:25:46
Or at least does someone have the files for sprit's 2S case or a similar 60% case where the top layer is also the plate?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Lubed Up Slug on Mon, 29 December 2014, 01:16:16
Or at least does someone have the files for sprit's 2S case or a similar 60% case where the top layer is also the plate?

Well I think you could just extend the area around the switch cutouts on a regular 60% plate and put some screw holes on the corners or whatever. But if you want it to work with sprit's case you would need to get the measurements and align the plate screw holes with the case screw holes and make sure they are the same size.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 29 December 2014, 01:58:27
Or at least does someone have the files for sprit's 2S case or a similar 60% case where the top layer is also the plate?

Is the sprit PCB compatible with poker/pure?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 29 December 2014, 14:20:22
Or at least does someone have the files for sprit's 2S case or a similar 60% case where the top layer is also the plate?

Is the sprit PCB compatible with poker/pure?

It looks pretty standard to me. I just want to do a case somewhat similar to that and wanted to get an accurate price estimate
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Mon, 29 December 2014, 14:56:34
Or at least does someone have the files for sprit's 2S case or a similar 60% case where the top layer is also the plate?

Is the sprit PCB compatible with poker/pure?

It looks pretty standard to me. I just want to do a case somewhat similar to that and wanted to get an accurate price estimate

Yes it is compatible, I had/sold one of his 60% builds. You are basically just looking for a 5mm 60% plate that is poker compatible? Or did I miss something?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 29 December 2014, 14:57:45
Check the 60% acrylic case thread, I might (No promises) upload a new version which has some minor fixes. But the case design should be functional for the sprit 60%, you might have to change the plate layer to your layout.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 29 December 2014, 19:30:15
Or at least does someone have the files for sprit's 2S case or a similar 60% case where the top layer is also the plate?

Is the sprit PCB compatible with poker/pure?

It looks pretty standard to me. I just want to do a case somewhat similar to that and wanted to get an accurate price estimate

Yes it is compatible, I had/sold one of his 60% builds. You are basically just looking for a 5mm 60% plate that is poker compatible? Or did I miss something?
Kinda, though looking back now I forgot to actually include the layout in question: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/312bd7677ad391eaf933b63e7771670e
I was thinking the case would be something like the JD40 cases in that there would be just a top and bottom layer and spacers in the middle, so all I'd need would be a plate similar in size to that layout or standard 60% and the same thing without switch cutouts for the bottom plate
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Mon, 29 December 2014, 19:59:34
Or at least does someone have the files for sprit's 2S case or a similar 60% case where the top layer is also the plate?

Is the sprit PCB compatible with poker/pure?

It looks pretty standard to me. I just want to do a case somewhat similar to that and wanted to get an accurate price estimate

Yes it is compatible, I had/sold one of his 60% builds. You are basically just looking for a 5mm 60% plate that is poker compatible? Or did I miss something?
Kinda, though looking back now I forgot to actually include the layout in question: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/312bd7677ad391eaf933b63e7771670e
I was thinking the case would be something like the JD40 cases in that there would be just a top and bottom layer and spacers in the middle, so all I'd need would be a plate similar in size to that layout or standard 60% and the same thing without switch cutouts for the bottom plate
In a week or two my plate building tool should be at a point where I can automate the generation of that plate and the associated layers to make either a jd40 style case with spacers or a full layered sandwich case.  I still have to get a plate cut with all my cutouts to verify they all work perfectly because I drew most of my cutouts from scratch based on specs.

I am hoping to have something online that people can start playing with soon. I will have to have a disclaimer on there till I have had a chance to test all of my cutouts.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 29 December 2014, 20:44:09
Or at least does someone have the files for sprit's 2S case or a similar 60% case where the top layer is also the plate?

Is the sprit PCB compatible with poker/pure?

It looks pretty standard to me. I just want to do a case somewhat similar to that and wanted to get an accurate price estimate

Yes it is compatible, I had/sold one of his 60% builds. You are basically just looking for a 5mm 60% plate that is poker compatible? Or did I miss something?
Kinda, though looking back now I forgot to actually include the layout in question: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/312bd7677ad391eaf933b63e7771670e
I was thinking the case would be something like the JD40 cases in that there would be just a top and bottom layer and spacers in the middle, so all I'd need would be a plate similar in size to that layout or standard 60% and the same thing without switch cutouts for the bottom plate
In a week or two my plate building tool should be at a point where I can automate the generation of that plate and the associated layers to make either a jd40 style case with spacers or a full layered sandwich case.  I still have to get a plate cut with all my cutouts to verify they all work perfectly because I drew most of my cutouts from scratch based on specs.

I am hoping to have something online that people can start playing with soon. I will have to have a disclaimer on there till I have had a chance to test all of my cutouts.
Ooh, that sounds really cool :thumb: Look forward to trying it out
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Mon, 29 December 2014, 22:03:29
Or at least does someone have the files for sprit's 2S case or a similar 60% case where the top layer is also the plate?

Is the sprit PCB compatible with poker/pure?

It looks pretty standard to me. I just want to do a case somewhat similar to that and wanted to get an accurate price estimate

Yes it is compatible, I had/sold one of his 60% builds. You are basically just looking for a 5mm 60% plate that is poker compatible? Or did I miss something?
Kinda, though looking back now I forgot to actually include the layout in question: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/312bd7677ad391eaf933b63e7771670e
I was thinking the case would be something like the JD40 cases in that there would be just a top and bottom layer and spacers in the middle, so all I'd need would be a plate similar in size to that layout or standard 60% and the same thing without switch cutouts for the bottom plate
In a week or two my plate building tool should be at a point where I can automate the generation of that plate and the associated layers to make either a jd40 style case with spacers or a full layered sandwich case.  I still have to get a plate cut with all my cutouts to verify they all work perfectly because I drew most of my cutouts from scratch based on specs.

I am hoping to have something online that people can start playing with soon. I will have to have a disclaimer on there till I have had a chance to test all of my cutouts.
Ooh, that sounds really cool :thumb: Look forward to trying it out
You can see the progress so far and add comments and suggestions in my thread dedicated to the topic. The link is in my signature. I will try to post the URL here, but tapatalk my be stupid, we will see.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65189.0


Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Mon, 29 December 2014, 23:45:44
If anyone in here is interested in my plate building tool, I just posted some of the initial themed mockups of the UI I am working on for the tool.  Let me know if you guys have suggestions, questions, etc...

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65189.msg1576318#msg1576318
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 31 December 2014, 15:03:35
So how much do the switch cutouts add to the price of cutting material?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 31 December 2014, 15:20:23
So how much do the switch cutouts add to the price of cutting material?

A surprising amount.  Especially when used with water jet, because before each turn they have to slow down the feed rate to maintain a quality cut.  This adds a surprising amount to the the cutting time required.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 31 December 2014, 15:37:51
So how much do the switch cutouts add to the price of cutting material?

A surprising amount.  Especially when used with water jet, because before each turn they have to slow down the feed rate to maintain a quality cut.  This adds a surprising amount to the the cutting time required.
do you have some sort of example? Like a 30% difference for plates?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 31 December 2014, 16:33:44
That I can't tell ya.  Mkawa could probably help you out with that as he has had plates made with and without notches for the exact same plates in Ti.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Wed, 31 December 2014, 16:43:37
That I can't tell ya.  Mkawa could probably help you out with that as he has had plates made with and without notches for the exact same plates in Ti.
If you have to slow it down to something like 1/2 the speed, you can figure out the time/cost difference between cutouts.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Wed, 31 December 2014, 21:58:52
That I can't tell ya.  Mkawa could probably help you out with that as he has had plates made with and without notches for the exact same plates in Ti.
If you have to slow it down to something like 1/2 the speed, you can figure out the time/cost difference between cutouts.

Tonight I did a back of the napkin calculation to try to give some sort of context to Melvang's comment about the price of cutting going up based on the  complexity of the cutout.  This is totally a rough calculation which does not have a direct monetary representation, but it will give you an idea.  Basically, these numbers represent the length of the cut or the outline of the switch, plus a static value for each corner to account for the machine having to slow down.  Again, this is totally a rough calculation just to illustrate the point.

Basically, each of these values is the length in mm, plus 1mm per corner to account for the slow down.  So for the basic cutout you get 7+7+7+7+4 = 32.  Make sense?

[attachimg=1]

Hopefully this gives some proportional idea how much more expensive the more elaborate cutouts will be.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 31 December 2014, 22:10:15
That I can't tell ya.  Mkawa could probably help you out with that as he has had plates made with and without notches for the exact same plates in Ti.
If you have to slow it down to something like 1/2 the speed, you can figure out the time/cost difference between cutouts.

Tonight I did a back of the napkin calculation to try to give some sort of context to Melvang's comment about the price of cutting going up based on the  complexity of the cutout.  This is totally a rough calculation which does not have a direct monetary representation, but it will give you an idea.  Basically, these numbers represent the length of the cut or the outline of the switch, plus a static value for each corner to account for the machine having to slow down.  Again, this is totally a rough calculation just to illustrate the point.

Basically, each of these values is the length in mm, plus 1mm per corner to account for the slow down.  So for the basic cutout you get 7+7+7+7+4 = 32.  Make sense?

(Attachment Link)

Hopefully this gives some proportional idea how much more expensive the more elaborate cutouts will be.

As someone who does laser engraving (not cutting) as part of my daily job, this seems pretty accurate. Expect the holes with "H" cuts to cost almost double what the simple square holes would cost.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Wed, 31 December 2014, 22:12:15
That I can't tell ya.  Mkawa could probably help you out with that as he has had plates made with and without notches for the exact same plates in Ti.
If you have to slow it down to something like 1/2 the speed, you can figure out the time/cost difference between cutouts.

Tonight I did a back of the napkin calculation to try to give some sort of context to Melvang's comment about the price of cutting going up based on the  complexity of the cutout.  This is totally a rough calculation which does not have a direct monetary representation, but it will give you an idea.  Basically, these numbers represent the length of the cut or the outline of the switch, plus a static value for each corner to account for the machine having to slow down.  Again, this is totally a rough calculation just to illustrate the point.

Basically, each of these values is the length in mm, plus 1mm per corner to account for the slow down.  So for the basic cutout you get 7+7+7+7+4 = 32.  Make sense?

(Attachment Link)

Hopefully this gives some proportional idea how much more expensive the more elaborate cutouts will be.

As someone who does laser engraving (not cutting) as part of my daily job, this seems pretty accurate. Expect the holes with "H" cuts to cost almost double what the simple square holes would cost.
Thanks JD. I was kind of guessing on my algorithm, so thanks for confirming that I am not totally off base. :)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Melvang on Wed, 31 December 2014, 23:12:42
That I can't tell ya.  Mkawa could probably help you out with that as he has had plates made with and without notches for the exact same plates in Ti.
If you have to slow it down to something like 1/2 the speed, you can figure out the time/cost difference between cutouts.

Tonight I did a back of the napkin calculation to try to give some sort of context to Melvang's comment about the price of cutting going up based on the  complexity of the cutout.  This is totally a rough calculation which does not have a direct monetary representation, but it will give you an idea.  Basically, these numbers represent the length of the cut or the outline of the switch, plus a static value for each corner to account for the machine having to slow down.  Again, this is totally a rough calculation just to illustrate the point.

Basically, each of these values is the length in mm, plus 1mm per corner to account for the slow down.  So for the basic cutout you get 7+7+7+7+4 = 32.  Make sense?

(Attachment Link)

Hopefully this gives some proportional idea how much more expensive the more elaborate cutouts will be.

As someone who does laser engraving (not cutting) as part of my daily job, this seems pretty accurate. Expect the holes with "H" cuts to cost almost double what the simple square holes would cost.
Thanks JD. I was kind of guessing on my algorithm, so thanks for confirming that I am not totally off base. :)

While I don't have any direct experience with the cutting methods used in this discussion, I do have a good working knowledge of the process.  And this seems pretty accurate with the distance that it would be getting slowed down at these thicknesses.  For thicker material it probably has a longer distance it slows down in, along with slowing down and speeding up at a linear rate instead of instant changes in speed to reduce inducing vibration into the cutting head.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: zennasyndroxx on Wed, 31 December 2014, 23:23:47
Is there any available universal TKL plate cad files?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: ReeferMadness on Tue, 03 February 2015, 15:59:08
Just wanted to say thank you for all the resources, they will end up being a great help  :thumb:
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: animated on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:47:28
I might get lucky and have access to get a acrylic board made.  I couldn't find it in the dropbox, I might be blind, but does anyone have a CAD file for acrylic TKL case? Thanks  :thumb:

edit: NVM , I think I found it!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:53:50
You can try this one: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48007.msg1032605#msg1032605

Or here: http://www.moz.twisted-artworx.com/TKLCase/

:D
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:39:57
You can try this one: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48007.msg1032605#msg1032605

Or here: http://www.moz.twisted-artworx.com/TKLCase/

:D

Very cool.  I didn't realize MOZ had build that.  Very nice...
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: StinkyTheDonut on Sat, 14 February 2015, 13:53:29
Anybody have measurements and positioning the of cutouts for costar stabs without being combined with the cherry cutouts?

I'm guessing it's the exact same rectangular hole minus the notches on 3 sides and the opening for the wire that runs through the switch to the opposite stab, but I don't want to assume and mess it up.

I'm trying to make a plate for costar stabs with minimal extra openings to save cost and prevent dust and spills from creeping in.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 14 February 2015, 16:02:52
Anybody have measurements and positioning the of cutouts for costar stabs without being combined with the cherry cutouts?

I'm guessing it's the exact same rectangular hole minus the notches on 3 sides and the opening for the wire that runs through the switch to the opposite stab, but I don't want to assume and mess it up.

I'm trying to make a plate for costar stabs with minimal extra openings to save cost and prevent dust and spills from creeping in.

Here you go...

(http://i.imgur.com/JLZNcFs.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/qkBtMC7.png)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: StinkyTheDonut on Sun, 15 February 2015, 22:24:53
Anybody have measurements and positioning the of cutouts for costar stabs without being combined with the cherry cutouts?

I'm guessing it's the exact same rectangular hole minus the notches on 3 sides and the opening for the wire that runs through the switch to the opposite stab, but I don't want to assume and mess it up.

I'm trying to make a plate for costar stabs with minimal extra openings to save cost and prevent dust and spills from creeping in.

Here you go...

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JLZNcFs.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/qkBtMC7.png)

Thanks a lot. Now my life is complete. =)

Edit: I see swill has added it to his tool. lol
I should have been more patient/lazy XD
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 19 February 2015, 11:36:42
How far apart should I be spacing the cutouts for a plate if I am going to measure it from center to center?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 19 February 2015, 11:40:01
Or does JD's plate cutout guides work if I copy the squares they are surrounded in and I tile them?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 February 2015, 11:48:40
Or does JD's plate cutout guides work if I copy the squares they are surrounded in and I tile them?

Take the file from the OP and tile them as you have described.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 19 February 2015, 11:50:43
Or does JD's plate cutout guides work if I copy the squares they are surrounded in and I tile them?

Take the file from the OP and tile them as you have described.
Ok, thanks! I am taking a try at designing a board I want from scratch, and I feel like the plate is the best place to start.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Thu, 19 February 2015, 14:44:23
How far apart should I be spacing the cutouts for a plate if I am going to measure it from center to center?
Center to center is 19.05mm. Have you tried my builder app?  http://builder.swillkb.com
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 19 February 2015, 15:17:23
How far apart should I be spacing the cutouts for a plate if I am going to measure it from center to center?
Center to center is 19.05mm. Have you tried my builder app?  http://builder.swillkb.com
I have, but what I plan on doing is custom making everything. I want to make an aluminum case, and in order to do that where it is flush, I need to custom make the plate so it will seat the way I want it to. Although one thing that has me really confused is making sure everything is the right measurement, as copying and pasting JD's stuff and then measuring it is giving me like 16.xxx measurements on just the switch cutouts, and I am doing it because it is a lot easier to measure.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Thu, 19 February 2015, 17:21:03
How far apart should I be spacing the cutouts for a plate if I am going to measure it from center to center?
Center to center is 19.05mm. Have you tried my builder app?  http://builder.swillkb.com
I have, but what I plan on doing is custom making everything. I want to make an aluminum case, and in order to do that where it is flush, I need to custom make the plate so it will seat the way I want it to. Although one thing that has me really confused is making sure everything is the right measurement, as copying and pasting JD's stuff and then measuring it is giving me like 16.xxx measurements on just the switch cutouts, and I am doing it because it is a lot easier to measure.
Feel free to send me a dxf file and I can look over it for you.

You may want to create a dxf file with my tool and then open it in a cad program and edit as needed. That may save you some time. Let me know if you need help with anything and I will answer any questions I can. :)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 19 February 2015, 17:25:02
How far apart should I be spacing the cutouts for a plate if I am going to measure it from center to center?
Center to center is 19.05mm. Have you tried my builder app?  http://builder.swillkb.com
I have, but what I plan on doing is custom making everything. I want to make an aluminum case, and in order to do that where it is flush, I need to custom make the plate so it will seat the way I want it to. Although one thing that has me really confused is making sure everything is the right measurement, as copying and pasting JD's stuff and then measuring it is giving me like 16.xxx measurements on just the switch cutouts, and I am doing it because it is a lot easier to measure.
Feel free to send me a dxf file and I can look over it for you.

You may want to create a dxf file with my tool and then open it in a cad program and edit as needed. That may save you some time. Let me know if you need help with anything and I will answer any questions I can. :)
Ok, thanks! Your tool has been very helpful with measurements, make a plate in the layout I want it, and measure it. I plan on taking some time with it, that way I can order each part once, maybe twice, that way I don't waste money on prototyping.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Thu, 19 February 2015, 17:27:51
How far apart should I be spacing the cutouts for a plate if I am going to measure it from center to center?
Center to center is 19.05mm. Have you tried my builder app?  http://builder.swillkb.com
I have, but what I plan on doing is custom making everything. I want to make an aluminum case, and in order to do that where it is flush, I need to custom make the plate so it will seat the way I want it to. Although one thing that has me really confused is making sure everything is the right measurement, as copying and pasting JD's stuff and then measuring it is giving me like 16.xxx measurements on just the switch cutouts, and I am doing it because it is a lot easier to measure.
Feel free to send me a dxf file and I can look over it for you.

You may want to create a dxf file with my tool and then open it in a cad program and edit as needed. That may save you some time. Let me know if you need help with anything and I will answer any questions I can. :)
Ok, thanks! Your tool has been very helpful with measurements, make a plate in the layout I want it, and measure it. I plan on taking some time with it, that way I can order each part once, maybe twice, that way I don't waste money on prototyping.
Tonight I will be releasing an update which will draw all the different layers of the sandwich case. Not sure if that will help you.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 19 February 2015, 17:29:17
How far apart should I be spacing the cutouts for a plate if I am going to measure it from center to center?
Center to center is 19.05mm. Have you tried my builder app?  http://builder.swillkb.com
I have, but what I plan on doing is custom making everything. I want to make an aluminum case, and in order to do that where it is flush, I need to custom make the plate so it will seat the way I want it to. Although one thing that has me really confused is making sure everything is the right measurement, as copying and pasting JD's stuff and then measuring it is giving me like 16.xxx measurements on just the switch cutouts, and I am doing it because it is a lot easier to measure.
Feel free to send me a dxf file and I can look over it for you.

You may want to create a dxf file with my tool and then open it in a cad program and edit as needed. That may save you some time. Let me know if you need help with anything and I will answer any questions I can. :)
Ok, thanks! Your tool has been very helpful with measurements, make a plate in the layout I want it, and measure it. I plan on taking some time with it, that way I can order each part once, maybe twice, that way I don't waste money on prototyping.
Tonight I will be releasing an update which will draw all the different layers of the sandwich case. Not sure if that will help you.
It will really help, I am scared I will screw up measurements or something free drawing the plate mounts.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Thu, 19 February 2015, 17:33:26
How far apart should I be spacing the cutouts for a plate if I am going to measure it from center to center?
Center to center is 19.05mm. Have you tried my builder app?  http://builder.swillkb.com
I have, but what I plan on doing is custom making everything. I want to make an aluminum case, and in order to do that where it is flush, I need to custom make the plate so it will seat the way I want it to. Although one thing that has me really confused is making sure everything is the right measurement, as copying and pasting JD's stuff and then measuring it is giving me like 16.xxx measurements on just the switch cutouts, and I am doing it because it is a lot easier to measure.
Feel free to send me a dxf file and I can look over it for you.

You may want to create a dxf file with my tool and then open it in a cad program and edit as needed. That may save you some time. Let me know if you need help with anything and I will answer any questions I can. :)
Ok, thanks! Your tool has been very helpful with measurements, make a plate in the layout I want it, and measure it. I plan on taking some time with it, that way I can order each part once, maybe twice, that way I don't waste money on prototyping.
Tonight I will be releasing an update which will draw all the different layers of the sandwich case. Not sure if that will help you.
It will really help, I am scared I will screw up measurements or something free drawing the plate mounts.
It will probably go up at about midnight EST because I am busy till then. I still have some finishing touches, but it is basically ready.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 19 February 2015, 18:13:35
How far apart should I be spacing the cutouts for a plate if I am going to measure it from center to center?
Center to center is 19.05mm. Have you tried my builder app?  http://builder.swillkb.com
I have, but what I plan on doing is custom making everything. I want to make an aluminum case, and in order to do that where it is flush, I need to custom make the plate so it will seat the way I want it to. Although one thing that has me really confused is making sure everything is the right measurement, as copying and pasting JD's stuff and then measuring it is giving me like 16.xxx measurements on just the switch cutouts, and I am doing it because it is a lot easier to measure.
Feel free to send me a dxf file and I can look over it for you.

You may want to create a dxf file with my tool and then open it in a cad program and edit as needed. That may save you some time. Let me know if you need help with anything and I will answer any questions I can. :)
One thing I noticed when I open the generated DXF files, whenever I make a selection, it selects everything ,and not the each cutout.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Thu, 19 February 2015, 18:15:13
How far apart should I be spacing the cutouts for a plate if I am going to measure it from center to center?
Center to center is 19.05mm. Have you tried my builder app?  http://builder.swillkb.com
I have, but what I plan on doing is custom making everything. I want to make an aluminum case, and in order to do that where it is flush, I need to custom make the plate so it will seat the way I want it to. Although one thing that has me really confused is making sure everything is the right measurement, as copying and pasting JD's stuff and then measuring it is giving me like 16.xxx measurements on just the switch cutouts, and I am doing it because it is a lot easier to measure.
Feel free to send me a dxf file and I can look over it for you.

You may want to create a dxf file with my tool and then open it in a cad program and edit as needed. That may save you some time. Let me know if you need help with anything and I will answer any questions I can. :)
One thing I noticed when I open the generated DXF files, whenever I make a selection, it selects everything ,and not the each cutout.
Ya. That is expected because it is all exported as a single object. I am going to look into that and see if there is an easy way to split it up.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 19 February 2015, 18:17:18
How far apart should I be spacing the cutouts for a plate if I am going to measure it from center to center?
Center to center is 19.05mm. Have you tried my builder app?  http://builder.swillkb.com
I have, but what I plan on doing is custom making everything. I want to make an aluminum case, and in order to do that where it is flush, I need to custom make the plate so it will seat the way I want it to. Although one thing that has me really confused is making sure everything is the right measurement, as copying and pasting JD's stuff and then measuring it is giving me like 16.xxx measurements on just the switch cutouts, and I am doing it because it is a lot easier to measure.
Feel free to send me a dxf file and I can look over it for you.

You may want to create a dxf file with my tool and then open it in a cad program and edit as needed. That may save you some time. Let me know if you need help with anything and I will answer any questions I can. :)
One thing I noticed when I open the generated DXF files, whenever I make a selection, it selects everything ,and not the each cutout.
Ya. That is expected because it is all exported as a single object. I am going to look into that and see if there is an easy way to split it up.
Ah, thanks for the info, the generator is great nonetheless.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 20 February 2015, 17:11:40
Anybody have drawings or a technical sheet for the ES-87 case?  I am considering doing a custom version but I don't have a reference.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: xtazy222 on Sat, 21 February 2015, 05:22:29
Is there any available universal TKL plate cad files?

Yes please. Anyone?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: vvp on Mon, 23 February 2015, 06:31:20
It may have been already mentioned here, but if not:
* skull keycap stl file: https://github.com/kekstee/3dprint/tree/master/keycap
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: swill on Thu, 12 March 2015, 22:26:31
Is there an agreed upon set of dimensions for the 'poker' style 60% cases which everyone seems to be using?  I have seen a couple different cad drawings and some layouts with dimensions, but they are all different (but more than a mm).  I don't see it in the OP here, so I was wondering if this is available somewhere?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 08 April 2015, 17:48:21
I'm teaching myself Fusion 360 so I have some experience with CAD which is based on a GUI rather than scripting.  My practice item is a Row 3 spherical keycap.  This should be similar to the SA keycap dimensions but not quite the same.

(http://i.imgur.com/VSZQ1Vg.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/gN5zWHE.png)

I've sent off to have Sculpteo print a copy of it off, so I can see how it looks in the real world.  My first time using Sculpteo over i.Materialise, so I am interested to see how their stuff looks in comparison.

I've attached the .stl file to this post for others to make use of.  If somebody wants a different format, let me know, and I will try to hook you up.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 17 April 2015, 17:11:36
Does anyone have the different measurements of the keycaps? I am trying out some ideas in AutoCAD, and I want to have the proper spacing and measurements. Thanks!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 17 April 2015, 17:15:25
Nevermind, the plate components has spacing built in.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: BlueNalgene on Fri, 17 April 2015, 23:18:36
I'm teaching myself Fusion 360 so I have some experience with CAD which is based on a GUI rather than scripting.  My practice item is a Row 3 spherical keycap.  This should be similar to the SA keycap dimensions but not quite the same.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/VSZQ1Vg.png)


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/gN5zWHE.png)


I've sent off to have Sculpteo print a copy of it off, so I can see how it looks in the real world.  My first time using Sculpteo over i.Materialise, so I am interested to see how their stuff looks in comparison.

I've attached the .stl file to this post for others to make use of.  If somebody wants a different format, let me know, and I will try to hook you up.

I got the real world version in today.  My 3D printed cap. 
(http://i.imgur.com/f69hiKG.jpg)

The height is somewhere between Signature Plastic's DSA and SA row 3 profiles

(http://i.imgur.com/eUjFSm0.jpg)

I'm glad I did this test run.  The stem shrank in a way I didn't expect, and the cruciform is a bit too big.  It slips on and off the stems too easily.  This is an easily fixable problem.

(http://i.imgur.com/i6mCA9D.jpg)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: trauring on Fri, 22 May 2015, 03:54:58
Is there a CAD file of the holes needed in a PCB to insert an MX-compatible switch? All the holes needed for the contact, LEDs, diodes, etc.?

Thanks.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 31 May 2015, 10:14:14
Can someone measure the height of a Row 1 SA keycap for me? Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sun, 31 May 2015, 13:30:13
Is there a CAD file of the holes needed in a PCB to insert an MX-compatible switch? All the holes needed for the contact, LEDs, diodes, etc.?

Thanks.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xxndnm3gpfw3u52/MX1A.mod?dl=0

Here's the KiCAD module for just an MX switch.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 31 May 2015, 15:02:50
Can someone measure the height of a Row 1 SA keycap for me? Thanks in advance!

http://keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf (http://keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/SAFamily.pdf)?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 31 May 2015, 15:03:49
Doesn't have the full height of the sculpt, I already downloaded the PDF
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 31 May 2015, 15:44:44
Doesn't have the full height of the sculpt, I already downloaded the PDF

Yeah, I wish I had a Row 1 to measure for you, I sent all mine to JD a few months ago. 

I thought it would be easy to calculate.  Using the info on the PDF, you can calculate the height of the Row 2 cap based on the angle of the top (7) being swept out as an arc of a circle using  s =r\theta.  That won't work for Row 1 since the 'low' part of the top of the form is not flush with the top of the cap on the 0 Row 1 cap.  It felt good to stretch my geometry muscles for a bit though.

Is there a CAD file of the holes needed in a PCB to insert an MX-compatible switch? All the holes needed for the contact, LEDs, diodes, etc.?

Thanks.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xxndnm3gpfw3u52/MX1A.mod?dl=0

Here's the KiCAD module for just an MX switch.

I looked at that KiCAD pack, and the ALPS mount looks a little weird for me - double pin 1 hole.  Does it come up like mine when you look at it?

(http://i.imgur.com/eB7KVkQ.png)
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sun, 31 May 2015, 15:46:09
Doesn't have the full height of the sculpt, I already downloaded the PDF

Yeah, I wish I had a Row 1 to measure for you, I sent all mine to JD a few months ago. 

I thought it would be easy to calculate.  Using the info on the PDF, you can calculate the height of the Row 2 cap based on the angle of the top (7) being swept out as an arc of a circle using  s =r\theta.  That won't work for Row 1 since the 'low' part of the top of the form is not flush with the top of the cap on the 0 Row 1 cap.  It felt good to stretch my geometry muscles for a bit though.

Is there a CAD file of the holes needed in a PCB to insert an MX-compatible switch? All the holes needed for the contact, LEDs, diodes, etc.?

Thanks.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xxndnm3gpfw3u52/MX1A.mod?dl=0

Here's the KiCAD module for just an MX switch.

I looked at that KiCAD pack, and the ALPS mount looks a little weird for me - double pin 1 hole.  Does it come up like mine when you look at it?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/eB7KVkQ.png)

Yeah, that's how they should look if you want MX and Alps to work.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: BlueNalgene on Sun, 31 May 2015, 15:48:31
Doesn't have the full height of the sculpt, I already downloaded the PDF

Yeah, I wish I had a Row 1 to measure for you, I sent all mine to JD a few months ago. 

I thought it would be easy to calculate.  Using the info on the PDF, you can calculate the height of the Row 2 cap based on the angle of the top (7) being swept out as an arc of a circle using  s =r\theta.  That won't work for Row 1 since the 'low' part of the top of the form is not flush with the top of the cap on the 0 Row 1 cap.  It felt good to stretch my geometry muscles for a bit though.

Is there a CAD file of the holes needed in a PCB to insert an MX-compatible switch? All the holes needed for the contact, LEDs, diodes, etc.?

Thanks.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xxndnm3gpfw3u52/MX1A.mod?dl=0

Here's the KiCAD module for just an MX switch.

I looked at that KiCAD pack, and the ALPS mount looks a little weird for me - double pin 1 hole.  Does it come up like mine when you look at it?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/eB7KVkQ.png)

Yeah, that's how they should look if you want MX and Alps to work.

Oh, both at the same time.  That makes more sense.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: unoab on Sun, 31 May 2015, 23:08:51
Doesn't have the full height of the sculpt, I already downloaded the PDF

Yeah, I wish I had a Row 1 to measure for you, I sent all mine to JD a few months ago. 

I thought it would be easy to calculate.  Using the info on the PDF, you can calculate the height of the Row 2 cap based on the angle of the top (7) being swept out as an arc of a circle using  s =r\theta.  That won't work for Row 1 since the 'low' part of the top of the form is not flush with the top of the cap on the 0 Row 1 cap.  It felt good to stretch my geometry muscles for a bit though.

My calipers suck, but it looks to be about 16.5mm tall at the peak (sub millimeter measurements are by eye, so consider this a rough measurement till someone with decent calipers can take a measurement or I can take a cap to work and measure it tomorrow).  And row2/4 looks to be ~13.75mm if you wanted that height too.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 31 May 2015, 23:11:37
Doesn't have the full height of the sculpt, I already downloaded the PDF

Yeah, I wish I had a Row 1 to measure for you, I sent all mine to JD a few months ago. 

I thought it would be easy to calculate.  Using the info on the PDF, you can calculate the height of the Row 2 cap based on the angle of the top (7) being swept out as an arc of a circle using  s =r\theta.  That won't work for Row 1 since the 'low' part of the top of the form is not flush with the top of the cap on the 0 Row 1 cap.  It felt good to stretch my geometry muscles for a bit though.

My calipers suck, but it looks to be about 16.5mm tall at the peak (sub millimeter measurements are by eye, so consider this a rough measurement till someone with decent calipers can take a measurement or I can take a cap to work and measure it tomorrow).  And row2/4 looks to be ~13.75mm if you wanted that height too.
Thank you!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 14 June 2015, 21:18:12
Well I'm a huge CAD noob and I have a plate file from Beast. I just need the caps lock hole enlarged to allow for a left stem in addition to the center stem.

Can someone help me modify the file?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 15 June 2015, 05:06:34

Well I'm a huge CAD noob and I have a plate file from Beast. I just need the caps lock hole enlarged to allow for a left stem in addition to the center stem.

Can someone help me modify the file?
Yeah, I am not at my PC, but if you go to the Dropbox link in the 1st page, download the Plate Resources that JD made, and then you will find the correct holes. Take the 1u, like it up with the 'a' hole next to caps lock, place it there, get the off center caps, place it wherever, highlight it, click the move tool, place the movement on the bottom right of the bounding box, and place it on the bottom left corner of the a hole bounding box
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 15 June 2015, 06:03:23


Well I'm a huge CAD noob and I have a plate file from Beast. I just need the caps lock hole enlarged to allow for a left stem in addition to the center stem.

Can someone help me modify the file?
Yeah, I am not at my PC, but if you go to the Dropbox link in the 1st page, download the Plate Resources that JD made, and then you will find the correct holes. Take the 1u, like it up with the 'a' hole next to caps lock, place it there, get the off center caps, place it wherever, highlight it, click the move tool, place the movement on the bottom right of the bounding box, and place it on the bottom left corner of the a hole bounding box

Thanks I'll try it and let you know how it goes!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: EE-test on Sun, 21 June 2015, 22:28:02
So, does anyone within driving distance of greater Los Angeles want to get together to actually "make stuff together"?  Alternatively, are there existing meet-ups?

Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: wes1099 on Wed, 21 October 2015, 15:01:52
The cherry mx switch 3d model link is broken. Does anyone have the file still and want to re-upload it?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Pdub on Sat, 24 October 2015, 15:42:24
Glad this was started. Thanks for sharing everyone.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: ocodo on Tue, 01 December 2015, 05:54:52
A Git repo of SA profile keycap 3D models X in common sizes (all rows)

https://github.com/getclacking/SA-profile-keys-3D-models

Intended for use as a presentation aid for keycap designs.

Includes a TKL layout among other things. 

All resources and steps taken from Signature Plastics profile guide pdf are included for your reference. Repo will grow to include a variety of layouts and modeling methods.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: cwndrws on Tue, 22 December 2015, 12:07:33
What is the proper thickness for a Cherry MX mounting plate?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: admiralvorian on Tue, 22 December 2015, 13:40:40
What is the proper thickness for a Cherry MX mounting plate?

~1.5mm depending on what material you use and who you're asking
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: xondat on Tue, 22 December 2015, 14:00:49
Wish I knew this existed about 2 weeks ago...
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: cwndrws on Tue, 22 December 2015, 15:42:04

What is the proper thickness for a Cherry MX mounting plate?

~1.5mm depending on what material you use and who you're asking

Acrylic. Would that change anything? Is there some kind of schematic that cherry has published for these kinds of specs?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 23 December 2015, 10:24:20
Cherry spec sheets says 1.5mm. 1.5mm acrylic is quite flimsy, use 3mm+.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: redbanshee on Sat, 23 January 2016, 14:08:44
I did this thread and many wikis/spec sheets over but I couldn't find any sort of spec sheet for the actual dimensions of the 2 parts involved in cherry pcb mount stabilizers. Anyone ever seen a stabilizer spec sheet? Not looking for mount hole sizes but the stabs themselves....
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: fenwick on Sun, 20 March 2016, 14:46:36
The link in the OP for the MX switch 3D model is dead, this link works but I can't validate the dimensions:

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?redirect=1&mid=81cf92a3e03098a5cc90be332989df6e&id=81cf92a3e03098a5cc90be332989df6e
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 27 March 2016, 15:32:03
Link for switch stickers is currently down.

If someone could hook me up Id appreciate it a lot.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 27 March 2016, 16:08:45
Will upload to GitHub tomorrow morning, 11PM here.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 27 March 2016, 18:47:49
Will upload to GitHub tomorrow morning, 11PM here.

THX a lot MOZ, much appreciated!
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: TheBestUkester on Fri, 08 April 2016, 15:50:05
Will upload to GitHub tomorrow morning, 11PM here.

Looking to utilize some of these great resources. Any update on GitHub?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 24 April 2016, 11:05:55
I've uploaded everything to the GitHub repo, here: https://github.com/mohitg11/GH-CAD-Resources

I've just dumped the DropBox folder to GitHub. I'll give them meaningful names and add a relevant ReadMe later.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: 0100010 on Wed, 21 September 2016, 09:26:51
Necro bump.

Is it OK to position the stabilizer holes in a plate above the spacebar instead of below, as is normally done (when using plate mount Cherry or Costar stabs)?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: bpiphany on Sat, 24 September 2016, 02:49:47
Cherry stabilizers can be mounted rotated 180 (upside down) if that is what you mean. Costar stabilizers need to be mounted the correct way around relative to the switch or the switch won't be able to travel all the way to the bottom.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: 0100010 on Sat, 24 September 2016, 19:59:10
Really?  Why is it the costars cant be inverted?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: bpiphany on Sat, 24 September 2016, 20:00:36
They can, but you better turn the switch around as well. The costar stabilizer bar/wire is sitting above the plate, while the one on the cherry stabilizer is below the plate and out of the way.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: 0100010 on Sat, 24 September 2016, 20:47:04
I see, you are saying the upper half of the switch housing interferes with the Z bend part of the stab wire.  Inverting the switch along with the stab holes keeps wverything normal.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: bpiphany on Sun, 25 September 2016, 03:42:33
Yes, that works. I found my old pictures from a very very old argument on the subject.
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Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: 0100010 on Sun, 25 September 2016, 20:54:59
Thanks for the pics!

I'm thinking of getting a GH60 PCB, and manually drilling new holes to invert the spacebar switch, then running short jumpers to connect the pins to the original pin locations, that way I can use a plate with inverted costar stab holes for the space bar.
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: tk on Mon, 06 February 2017, 22:08:46
This isn't CAD, but another member suggested i post this here:

tl;dr: I built a Pok3r Keyboard in C4D (https://tee-kay.github.io/KeyCapTester/), complete with Xpresso to make texturing and trying different combinations a breeze. You can download and use it for free. (http://gen.rs/JQqy)

After lurking for a while, the beauty and simplicity of the 60% layout was too much. I broke down and bought a Pok3r to replace my beloved Mac keyboard with numpad (yes, the chiclet one and yes, I still kind of miss how thin it is but I'm adjusting).

But those caps oh the caps. And the lack of available caps, at least cap sets that I like. That mixed with my impatience on waiting for the perfect first set to show up (*just* missed Mito's Canvas set), I started looking into PimpMyKeyboard's custom DSA options. I'm a visual person though, and wanted to see what the full board would look like given the limited options. So I built a model in C4D, then got ambitious and decided to rig it with some Xpresso. The model isn't perfect, but I was more concerned with those sexy keys so it's close enough for now. I may revisit the model one of these days. Included are materials (estimates based on their images) for all the available PMK PBT colors for custom DSA keys.

Check it out here(https://tee-kay.github.io/KeyCapTester/), and download the .C4D scene and textures here - dropbox(https://www.dropbox.com/s/385s720wiz2yvkr/KeycapsRig.c4d?dl=0) or for the genero.us(http://gen.rs/JQqy) among you. Hope you enjoy and would love to see what comes out of it.

Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: xondat on Mon, 20 February 2017, 07:47:40
I just figured out how to quickly and efficiently make Cherry MX specification plates to full accuracy (swillkb does this, but has numbers like 13.99993 and not 14 for lines etc).


In my example (my favorite layout), no stabilizer cutouts overlap with switch cutouts, but if they do then it shouldn't be a problem, so follow step 4 as noted.

Album with transparent and non-transparent images here (https://imgur.com/a/FkCGA).
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Dodgy on Sun, 26 February 2017, 21:39:43
I'm trying to put a render together for a keyboard, is there anywhere I can find a file containing a 60% plate and PCB with switches and caps?
Title: Re: GH CAD Resources Hub
Post by: Tiramisuu on Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:29:04
Thread resurrection... I'm looking for a G20 Keycap model for blender.  My blender fu is fu so I'm hoping to find a premodeled keycap rather than do 10 hours of tutorials.


thanks.
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