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Offline Simia_4

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #550 on: Wed, 26 October 2016, 12:01:26 »
New here but have noticed since i bought a shine 5 mx blue that i really don't care for how clacky and sometimes difficult it is to type on. Would this method of lubing work for this board?

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #551 on: Wed, 26 October 2016, 12:03:15 »
New here but have noticed since i bought a shine 5 mx blue that i really don't care for how clacky and sometimes difficult it is to type on. Would this method of lubing work for this board?

It will work but there is a chance that the click will be removed altogether if done incorrectly. Unless that's what you are going for.
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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #552 on: Wed, 26 October 2016, 12:12:03 »
New here but have noticed since i bought a shine 5 mx blue that i really don't care for how clacky and sometimes difficult it is to type on. Would this method of lubing work for this board?

It will work but there is a chance that the click will be removed altogether if done incorrectly. Unless that's what you are going for.

i don't suppose it would make it more of a brown feel, would it?

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #553 on: Wed, 26 October 2016, 12:16:47 »
New here but have noticed since i bought a shine 5 mx blue that i really don't care for how clacky and sometimes difficult it is to type on. Would this method of lubing work for this board?

It will work but there is a chance that the click will be removed altogether if done incorrectly. Unless that's what you are going for.

i don't suppose it would make it more of a brown feel, would it?

IIRC people describe it as very muted. So may have even less definition then a brown. Don't take my word for it though I have never tried lubed tactile clicks before.
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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #554 on: Wed, 26 October 2016, 12:18:14 »
Definitely test it on a loose switch before applying

It's basically very annoying, I wouldn't say brown-like, more like brown+mush
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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #555 on: Wed, 26 October 2016, 12:19:47 »
IIRC people describe it as very muted. So may have even less definition then a brown. Don't take my word for it though I have never tried lubed tactile clicks before.
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Cool, thank you! I guess i'll get to learn how to take it apart.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #556 on: Wed, 26 October 2016, 12:24:24 »
Definitely test it on a loose switch before applying

It's basically very annoying, I wouldn't say brown-like, more like brown+mush

That's good to know. I was mainly concerned with not being able to make the board feel smoother and also not be able to take everything apart.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #557 on: Mon, 31 October 2016, 14:24:36 »
Apologies if this question has been asked & answered before, but:

Is there a tried and tested way of rescuing MX Blues that have lost a significant amount of their click due to excess lube?

In case you're wondering,
1) The lube came from a bunch of used 62g gold springs that I had attempted to transplant into my blues; I didn't realize the previous owner had lubed them to hell until it was too late. I'd been using tweezers and the springs never came into contact with my fingertips.
2) I tried rinsing the affected parts in mildly soapy water followed by regular tap water but it only seemed to exacerbate the problem and further weaken the click (tried this with four switches, all four came out even less clicky, I made sure they were totally dry as well). Needless to say, I found this extremely baffling.
3) Ditto for Isopropyl alcohol (tried this with four more different switches).

Any ideas?

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #558 on: Mon, 31 October 2016, 18:00:34 »
2) I tried rinsing the affected parts

What exactly did you rinse? There is probably still lube on the contact leaf and in the side rails of the bottom housing.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #559 on: Mon, 31 October 2016, 23:53:15 »
What exactly did you rinse? There is probably still lube on the contact leaf and in the side rails of the bottom housing.

basically everything. the entire housing, spring and stem. i even dabbed it with this.

pretty sure all the lube's been removed, but the rinsing process seems to have somehow ruined the switches. it's making me think that clicky switches + any sort of liquid = a big no no

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #560 on: Tue, 01 November 2016, 15:21:28 »
What exactly did you rinse? There is probably still lube on the contact leaf and in the side rails of the bottom housing.

basically everything. the entire housing, spring and stem. i even dabbed it with this.

pretty sure all the lube's been removed, but the rinsing process seems to have somehow ruined the switches. it's making me think that clicky switches + any sort of liquid = a big no no

As you're just trying to perform some experiments now instead of having a guaranteed way to save the switches. I would suggest trying to soak and rinse them in turpentine - it's how I clean my bicycle gears.
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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #561 on: Tue, 01 November 2016, 15:30:15 »
As you're just trying to perform some experiments now instead of having a guaranteed way to save the switches. I would suggest trying to soak and rinse them in turpentine - it's how I clean my bicycle gears.

um doesn't turpentine eat through plastic?

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #562 on: Tue, 01 November 2016, 15:31:43 »
it's making me think that clicky switches + any sort of liquid = a big no no

That cannot be the case. I used dish cleaner (the powder stuff, not the liquid) with Cherry Blue stems once and they still clicked afterwards.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #563 on: Tue, 01 November 2016, 15:50:01 »
it's making me think that clicky switches + any sort of liquid = a big no no

That cannot be the case. I used dish cleaner (the powder stuff, not the liquid) with Cherry Blue stems once and they still clicked afterwards.

Just the stems, or did you do the bottom housings as well?

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #564 on: Tue, 01 November 2016, 15:52:42 »
it's making me think that clicky switches + any sort of liquid = a big no no

That cannot be the case. I used dish cleaner (the powder stuff, not the liquid) with Cherry Blue stems once and they still clicked afterwards.

Just the stems, or did you do the bottom housings as well?

Just the stems, the bottom housings were trash so I didn't even bother desoldering them.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #565 on: Tue, 01 November 2016, 15:57:01 »
Rinsing stems should be fine. Things only start going south for me when my bottom housings come into contact with any sort of liquid, including regular tap water. Those click leafs are probably extra sensitive or something.

*edit: Earlier today I took a perfectly normal, unlubed, fully-stock Gateron Blue, opened it up, rinsed the bottom with tap water, dried it off and put it back together. I swear the click became weaker (should have used one of those decibel meter apps to record it). Surely I am not the only one who's noticed this??
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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #566 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 12:03:43 »
I tried looking for an answer to this question, but I've been coming up empty-handed. I'd appreciate any help you guys can offer.

I'm brand new to switch modding and am about to try my hand at some Gateron Blacks for use in the upcoming MiniVan and RoadKit group buys. I already have everything I need to mod the switches: the switches themselves, Krytox, stickers, and springs. What I'm missing is the actual boards they'll be going in; they'll be here sometime in December or January.

What I'm wondering is this: Am I safe to lube the stems and bottom housing (undecided on lubing the springs) now and then just solder everything together when I get the Van kits? Or will letting the switches sit while not mounted in a plate (i.e., on their sides, upside down, etc in a ziplock bag) allow the lube to seep into places it shouldn't be and ruin the switches?

Just itching to get to work and figured I can take care of the switches while I'm waiting on everything else. But if you guys tell me this is a bad idea, I'll hold off and do everything when I get the kits.

Thanks! :thumb:
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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #567 on: Wed, 02 November 2016, 14:46:42 »
Shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't overdo the lubing, and even then the overdone lubing is is the problem and not the fact that you stored them differently.

Also, I'd highly suggest lubing the springs, there is nothing worse than pinging switches and lubing the springs does help with that a lot.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #568 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 06:17:16 »
As you're just trying to perform some experiments now instead of having a guaranteed way to save the switches. I would suggest trying to soak and rinse them in turpentine - it's how I clean my bicycle gears.

um doesn't turpentine eat through plastic?

Turpentine doesn't eat through (most of the plastics I have tried)
However, Acetone does eat into plastics, although it guarantees things to be oil / grease free afterwards.
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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #569 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 13:35:25 »
Shouldn't be a problem as long as you don't overdo the lubing, and even then the overdone lubing is is the problem and not the fact that you stored them differently.

Good to know - thank you. I'm really just wanting to do something while I wait on the Van kits.

Also, I'd highly suggest lubing the springs, there is nothing worse than pinging switches and lubing the springs does help with that a lot.

I'm kind of waffling on this. I've read that lubing the springs makes little to no difference, and then I've read the exact opposite. The lube I have is the "thin" Krytox solution from TechKeys. They also offer a "spring" solution. Do you think I could get away with using the same "thin" TechKeys lube on both the stems/housings and the springs?

Re-reading the description on their site, it sounds like the "spring" lube is just a smaller amount of lube (0.5mL vs 2mL in the "thin" lube kit). Says it's a Krytox GPL 206/1506 mix. So I'd imagine I can use the "thin" stuff I bought on all friction points.

Thanks for the help - I'm way out in the weeds on this, lol.
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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #570 on: Thu, 03 November 2016, 14:19:28 »
Also, I'd highly suggest lubing the springs, there is nothing worse than pinging switches and lubing the springs does help with that a lot.

I'm kind of waffling on this. I've read that lubing the springs makes little to no difference, and then I've read the exact opposite. The lube I have is the "thin" Krytox solution from TechKeys. They also offer a "spring" solution. Do you think I could get away with using the same "thin" TechKeys lube on both the stems/housings and the springs?

It does not make a lot of difference if you don't have an issue with pinging to begin with. But lubing springs doesn't really take much time to begin with and, if you open the switches anyways, it is definitely worth it, mainly because you don't have to open them again in case you end up with pinging.

Re-reading the description on their site, it sounds like the "spring" lube is just a smaller amount of lube (0.5mL vs 2mL in the "thin" lube kit). Says it's a Krytox GPL 206/1506 mix. So I'd imagine I can use the "thin" stuff I bought on all friction points.

I'd guess the spring lube uses a different ratio of the two blends in the mix, does it make a difference? I don't know, I've been using GPL105 for all my springs (mainly because I've got a lot of it for free) and it works fine, never felt the need for special spring lube tbh.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #571 on: Sun, 06 November 2016, 05:51:54 »
Hey guys, is it possible to lube the spacebar stabs without taking the whole board apart?
I don't know why but seems the lubes have dried out from years of usage and I need to somehow lube them again. I was told I can use a syringe to apply it on the side walls and that seems doable but getting into the tabs the stabilizer attaches to seems impossible.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #572 on: Tue, 15 November 2016, 07:24:31 »
It does not make a lot of difference if you don't have an issue with pinging to begin with. But lubing springs doesn't really take much time to begin with and, if you open the switches anyways, it is definitely worth it, mainly because you don't have to open them again in case you end up with pinging.

Makes sense. After thinking about your suggestions (and finally getting all my switch mod components delivered), I'll probably just go ahead and lube the springs too. Like you said, I'll be opening the switches anyway, so I might as well.
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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #574 on: Sun, 27 November 2016, 16:30:35 »
Dow Molykote 44m

https://www.amazon.com/Dow-Corning-Molykote-Medium-Lubricant/dp/B001VY1EL8

Would this work well, its pretty thick I have a bit that I used on arcade cabinet joysticks.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #575 on: Thu, 29 December 2016, 05:11:51 »
Does anyone have the original pics associated with this guide or can make new ones?

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #577 on: Tue, 03 January 2017, 09:56:07 »
Does anyone have the original pics associated with this guide or can make new ones?

I reuploaded some of the broken image links with images that I had / could find.

Please PM me if anyone has more.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #579 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 02:16:54 »
Which krytox best for stabs guy?

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #580 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 10:04:52 »
Which krytox best for stabs guy?

You'll want a 200-series grease, higher number is probably better, like 204/205

FWIW I used Super Lube recently to great success, super cheap: http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboard-parts/super-lube-silicone-lubricating-grease-with-ptfe.html

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #581 on: Sun, 26 February 2017, 10:41:11 »
FWIW I used Super Lube recently to great success, super cheap
Yeah!  Just bought a quart of Super Lube's utralight (slightly lighter than Krytox 103) to try on some switches.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #582 on: Mon, 20 March 2017, 10:30:52 »
This guide is so insightful! Thanks! I just got two Model M's coming in, but now that I've read all this I need to figure out how it all applies to a Model M maintenance. Guess there's more reading ahead of me...

And picking the right lubes, dear lord who would've thought I'd ever have to do this in my life!

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #583 on: Sat, 13 May 2017, 00:46:58 »
Dow Molykote 44m

https://www.amazon.com/Dow-Corning-Molykote-Medium-Lubricant/dp/B001VY1EL8

Would this work well, its pretty thick I have a bit that I used on arcade cabinet joysticks.

Ended up using this stuff on some stabs earlier tonight. Works like a charm. 10/10, would use again. Removed all rattle from space bar. Packed some into a spare syringe I got from a Krytox order off Techkeys, applied it front and back on stabs I had already previously installed on a Zeal60 board. Feels very good!

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #584 on: Mon, 17 July 2017, 20:49:06 »
Any recommendations to lube 100 switches without taking 4 hours??

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #585 on: Thu, 17 August 2017, 18:59:58 »
Took apart some Pandas to put Mod-M switches in their housings since people said it magnified the tactility.
It did, but it also magnified the rattling and scratchy(?) feeling so I put a barely visible amount of lube on the stem sliders and an afterthought on the slider housing.
It's incredibly smooth and quiet now but the bump feels quieter or hidden somehow... can still feel it when I press slowly.  It's not what I expected but I guess I didn't know what I expected.
It still feels pretty nice actually, but would swapping in heavier springs bring the bump out more by drawing out the keypress?

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #586 on: Sun, 17 December 2017, 05:01:14 »
Is mixing krytox 103 and 205 in equal parts still considered the best option for switches and springs?

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #587 on: Sun, 17 December 2017, 15:51:56 »
Is mixing krytox 103 and 205 in equal parts still considered the best option for switches and springs?

Just get GPL104 if you want thinner 103. If you mix iirc you need to heat to combine them and avoid separation?

For linears I only ever use 104 and it's excellent.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #588 on: Sat, 23 December 2017, 19:39:34 »
Just finished my cherry ergo clears, useful guide, had to resort to some other lube type unfortunately due to availability but I'm very happy with the results. Used 70 rc spring lubricant in light quantities, I must have gone through a few ml for the entire board worth of switches.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #590 on: Fri, 05 January 2018, 13:29:22 »
Took apart some Pandas to put Mod-M switches in their housings since people said it magnified the tactility.
It did, but it also magnified the rattling and scratchy(?) feeling so I put a barely visible amount of lube on the stem sliders and an afterthought on the slider housing.
It's incredibly smooth and quiet now but the bump feels quieter or hidden somehow... can still feel it when I press slowly.  It's not what I expected but I guess I didn't know what I expected.
It still feels pretty nice actually, but would swapping in heavier springs bring the bump out more by drawing out the keypress?
IME the heavier the spring the more drawn out & less apparent the tactile bump will become, pretty much the opposite of what you want. I would think a lighter spring would bring the tactility out more, but I have never tried that personally as I prefer heavier switches.
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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #591 on: Fri, 05 January 2018, 18:07:06 »
Is mixing krytox 103 and 205 in equal parts still considered the best option for switches and springs?

103/107 mix for stems.

107 alone for springs.


204 for stabs.

that's the best..

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #592 on: Sun, 18 February 2018, 17:09:20 »
Still lots of pics missing from the guide  :(

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #593 on: Tue, 27 March 2018, 19:30:47 »
What percentage/ratios does everyone recommend of VPF 1514 and GPL 204 for linear switches (and/or tactile switches)?

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #594 on: Tue, 27 March 2018, 21:00:54 »
What percentage/ratios does everyone recommend of VPF 1514 and GPL 204 for linear switches (and/or tactile switches)?

Don't mix. It will separate later. Tradition dictates thin for linear (VPF 1514), thick for tactile (204). But there are exceptions, I've heard of people liking thicker stuff on linears as well.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #595 on: Tue, 27 March 2018, 21:38:18 »
this is what Zeal told me to do:

lube bottom rails left and right
also touch a bit on the border rails
then lube the spring inside n out
drop it in
lube everywhere on stem. literally every surface
swirl around the pole
drop it in
don't add lube to legs on tactile zealios
add extra on linears

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #596 on: Wed, 28 March 2018, 03:59:17 »
this is what Zeal told me to do:

lube bottom rails left and right
also touch a bit on the border rails
then lube the spring inside n out
drop it in
lube everywhere on stem. literally every surface
swirl around the pole
drop it in
don't add lube to legs on tactile zealios
add extra on linears

Those instructions sound like some kids play song. :D But thanks, will try this technique. :)

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #597 on: Wed, 28 March 2018, 05:55:05 »
this is what Zeal told me to do:

lube bottom rails left and right
also touch a bit on the border rails
then lube the spring inside n out
drop it in
lube everywhere on stem. literally every surface
swirl around the pole
drop it in
don't add lube to legs on tactile zealios
add extra on linears

Those instructions sound like some kids play song. :D But thanks, will try this technique. :)

Id love some pictures to go with these instructions.  Especially to explain what bottom rails are vs border rails.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #598 on: Mon, 23 April 2018, 03:43:48 »
Oh, good to know! Glad I have a day off soon lol.

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Re: Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide
« Reply #599 on: Wed, 18 July 2018, 07:10:08 »
Does anyone know what common lubricant can produce such residue?  Does it look like it might be too much Superlube?  It seems sticker than Krytox 103 and 201 that I'm used to.  Less sticky than Victorinox oil.  You can see the white residue as well as the oil-slick shiny surface all around the bottom housing.

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And this appetizing photograph is of MX Black stems soaking in detergent.

Rononol lighter fluid works great as a solvent for many oils and greases.  This is safer than soap and water because it wil not oxidize metal parts.

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I'm cleaning the switch tops, the stems, and the springs, but not sure what to do about the bottoms. <-- Looks like cotton swabs soaked in alcohol work well on the slider channels in the bottom housing!


Is LZ soaking these switches in detergent?

http://lzlife.tistory.com/category/LZ%20Histroy

If so, what kind do you clean your switches with?

I had a very bad experience with washing the switches (~100 broken oxidized switch housings).
Therefore, I would like to share with anyone who is attempting to wash their switch in water.
Please be very careful, the brass contact points will get oxidized quickly and easily when they contact H20.

Actually, IMO, I think we only need to wash the stem but do not wash the switch housing.
In order to clean the switch housing, we can use a clean toothbrush to clean it.

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Ronsonol lighter fluid makes a great solvent for breaking down many  oils and greases.
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