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looks great, please consider daily clack as oce vendor! :thumb:
Love the set Stef, pls listen to Stew about the alternate base kit idea though! :cool:
This looks pretty good but maybe try and design a more unique deskmat? A lot of deskmats look exactly like thatagreed. The deskmat rn is extremely generic
I made a crappy render with some alternative colors, and a more orange toned spacebar and arrows. Idk if that is frowned upon but really love this set and want to give my thoughts as I will more than likely be buying.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201016/8c09a49a0df3ef791160eb25b9772e59.jpg)
Keep yellow. Add cyan alternate accents. :thumb:
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Can someone please confirm I'm not a weeb if I buy the katakana alphas, k ty. Very cool set btw.
I think you should make the Katakana sub-legend alpha's part of the basic set, it just goes too well with this theme.. Anyone else?Gonna have to pass on that one
I think you should make the Katakana sub-legend alpha's part of the basic set, it just goes too well with this theme.. Anyone else?
I’d say just have it as an option, I’ve seen GBs with 2 alpha options for the base. I’d be one of the Katakana folks <3I think you should make the Katakana sub-legend alpha's part of the basic set, it just goes too well with this theme.. Anyone else?
I support that completely.
That works too, divide the modifiers and alphas up. It just sucks having to buy 2 sets of alphas, when i'm only going to use one.I’d say just have it as an option, I’ve seen GBs with 2 alpha options for the base. I’d be one of the Katakana folks <3I think you should make the Katakana sub-legend alpha's part of the basic set, it just goes too well with this theme.. Anyone else?
I support that completely.
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Somebody on my Discord suggested doing a render with this set and Cerakotes Lollypop, Prison Pink and Corvette yellow. Turned out nice.
Somebody on my Discord suggested doing a render with this set and Cerakotes Lollypop, Prison Pink and Corvette yellow. Turned out nice.
This keyset is so rad. Definitely going to be a grab for me.Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50517829393_87b95ae936_b.jpg)Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50517829448_aafce43f20_b.jpg)Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50517829538_2d5da0c8db_b.jpg)Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50518719332_289bf30260_b.jpg)
Somebody on my Discord suggested doing a render with this set and Cerakotes Lollypop, Prison Pink and Corvette yellow. Turned out nice.
This keyset is so rad. Definitely going to be a grab for me.Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50517829393_87b95ae936_b.jpg)Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50517829448_aafce43f20_b.jpg)Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50517829538_2d5da0c8db_b.jpg)Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50518719332_289bf30260_b.jpg)
Looks cool, except those aren't the real legends. Had you thought about maybe getting in touch with the runner to ask for the render files? If you're gonna promote your keyboard on someone else's IC, it seems like good courtesy.
Somebody on my Discord suggested doing a render with this set and Cerakotes Lollypop, Prison Pink and Corvette yellow. Turned out nice.
This keyset is so rad. Definitely going to be a grab for me.Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50517829393_87b95ae936_b.jpg)Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50517829448_aafce43f20_b.jpg)Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50517829538_2d5da0c8db_b.jpg)Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50518719332_289bf30260_b.jpg)
Looks cool, except those aren't the real legends. Had you thought about maybe getting in touch with the runner to ask for the render files? If you're gonna promote your keyboard on someone else's IC, it seems like good courtesy.
Not really trying to promote anything. Just quick and dirty renders for fun with what I had based on a Discord suggestion and thought I'd share.
I won’t speak for him,... LOL!
I won’t speak for him,Pretty sure i can take ANY artist work, and modify it however i want, legally, and morally, becasue it leaves the original intact.
I won’t speak for him,Pretty sure i can take ANY artist work, and modify it however i want, legally, and morally, becasue it leaves the original intact.
Bruh
Hey guys!Thank you for the update and a possible cyan kit
We are still working through all the data, and are almost ready for the first round of modifications. We've also been in talks with several vendors and hope to lock down the team very soon.
Things I am working on:
- Dropping numpad from base (It's clear from the data this is a good call. Plus, it will help us as we aim to hit a large MOQ to compound the slimmer kit for even better pricing)
- Fixing a couple of rendering errors (Numpad 00 for to name one)
- Fixing the 40s kit
- Going through Konstantin's notes in detail
- The next 2 deskmats (A not-insignificant amount of people aren't crazy on it as it stands. I hear you! This one is slated for the RGB offering, and I am busy penning the others for see how they are received)
- Experimenting with another accent kit. I know a lot of you said you'd like Cyan. I won't be replacing the yellow with it, but i'm not against the possibility of offering an accents kit if I think it works.
:)
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
I still think thematically you could try to differentiate the set a bit more from others that already exist within the retrowave genre.
We already have a set with a sun novelty, a cassette novelty, the deskmat looks very much like a very common wallpaper thats been floating around a few years now.
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
YES!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)
I’d love to help designthe crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
YES!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)
Yes. :eek:
I second this. Some of us haven't been able to get some/any of the sets that guy mentions. Add more novelties if you wish, but please don't remove any.I still think thematically you could try to differentiate the set a bit more from others that already exist within the retrowave genre.
We already have a set with a sun novelty, a cassette novelty, the deskmat looks very much like a very common wallpaper thats been floating around a few years now.
I don't care what has been made. I care about something I can actually get :D This kit looks just 100% perfect, and doesn't need any changes.
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
YES!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
YES!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
YES!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)
Yes. :eek:
Will definitely keep that in mind!the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
YES!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)
I'm gonna need this. If this doesn't get made for this set, you need to run it. Fantastic.
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
YES!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
YES!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)
Yes. :eek:
That's a big ol' yup from me.
I still think thematically you could try to differentiate the set a bit more from others that already exist within the retrowave genre.
We already have a set with a sun novelty, a cassette novelty, the deskmat looks very much like a very common wallpaper thats been floating around a few years now.
The colors are great, the addition of yellow is rad (a very underused color IMO :thumb:) but I wish the theme were more creative so it would really set this set apart from other sets. You've mentioned the video game consoles being a big part of what you remember, and I'd totally look at going down that path as a theme. Quarters, tokens, tickets, the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
Not only is it good etiquette to try to provide working lanes for other sets that already exist, but I just think this is such a rich and relatively unexplored genre I'd like to see more unique aspects to it as a set, and think that would be fairly easy to do and make this a really good set at the same time.
I agree that we should have good etiquette in regards to provide working lanes for other sets but the flip side of that is that sets should not limit the number of creative takes on an genre, especially with one that has numerous very similar (yet different) sub-genres that tie in to a common theme - e.g sunset novelty. Is the big difference in colours compared to other sets not enough to provide a safe working lane for other sets? Is a there a set in specific you are referring to where there might be a conflict? Are the novelties an issue? Just trying to understand a little more.
Note: Not trying to be hostile :thumb:
I still think thematically you could try to differentiate the set a bit more from others that already exist within the retrowave genre.
We already have a set with a sun novelty, a cassette novelty, the deskmat looks very much like a very common wallpaper thats been floating around a few years now.
The colors are great, the addition of yellow is rad (a very underused color IMO :thumb:) but I wish the theme were more creative so it would really set this set apart from other sets. You've mentioned the video game consoles being a big part of what you remember, and I'd totally look at going down that path as a theme. Quarters, tokens, tickets, the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
Not only is it good etiquette to try to provide working lanes for other sets that already exist, but I just think this is such a rich and relatively unexplored genre I'd like to see more unique aspects to it as a set, and think that would be fairly easy to do and make this a really good set at the same time.
While I think it is fair to ask to differentiate the set a little more, I believe that that colours are already different enough. I would not confuse this set with others like laser, vaporwave, or analog dreams, and I feel regardless of differentiation of theme or not, most would buy the set based on the choice/appeal of colours. As for the novelties, I think they are completely fine. They represent the set for what it is - a retrowave set. I do agree some video games novelties would be cool but it depends on what they are and I feel like maybe another set with different colours would suit the 80s arcade theme more, which I believe is already in the works and would once again 'conflict' with another set. Some of the current novelties are also simply too iconic to the genre to not reference or include.
I agree that we should have good etiquette in regards to provide working lanes for other sets but the flip side of that is that sets should not limit the number of creative takes on an genre, especially with one that has numerous very similar (yet different) sub-genres that tie in to a common theme - e.g sunset novelty. Is the big difference in colours compared to other sets not enough to provide a safe working lane for other sets? Is a there a set in specific you are referring to where there might be a conflict? Are the novelties an issue? Just trying to understand a little more.
Note: Not trying to be hostile :thumb:
This is very dope and true to the retrowave a e s t h e t i c... But one thing here is really bothering me. The setting sun legend and graphic.
Look at the caps:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/guXkWtz.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JzEYjF3.png)
The look the roughly the same. Stripes start at 50% of the height of the circle. But then you get the deskmat:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gS16RNf.png)
See the difference? Here, the stripes start at about 70-75% of the sphere's height. That's a bit tilting, but that's not all.
The other problem with these stripes is that they're uniform in thickness, which gives a completely different vibe. Instead of looking like the setting sun reflecting on the surface of the ocean, they look like the sun is being observed through horizontal blinds. Something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/VQzi4Ob.png)
Now, that in itself isn't that bad and certainly fits with the retrowave aesthetic, but I belive the way more iconic retrowave look is "the reflection", where the stripes gradually get thicker, like here:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RtBVJRF.png)
This is because both vaporwave and retrowave/outrun are design aesthetics based on gradients. the horizontal lines are a way of approximating a gradient without using more than one color. Using them also creates this nifty transition of the circle slowly dissolving instead of just being obscured by bars.
To help illustrate what I mean here, I fired up the ol' Illustrator and made a quick mockup of how I believe the "classic" retrowave setting sun should look:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/j0OiyOf.png)
If OP doesn't want to change the symbol or can't (due to technical restrictions), then I would at least ask to make the design consistent between the caps and the deskmat. :)
This is very dope and true to the retrowave a e s t h e t i c... But one thing here is really bothering me. The setting sun legend and graphic.
Look at the caps:
I actually noticed it too and agree with the other guy :P
The colors look awesome though. It is really gonna pop.
the crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
YES!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)
I do have an IC up for thesethe crazy carpet that was in 90% of arcades in the late 80's/early 90's would make a killer deskmat.
YES!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AiopoD5.png)
Oh my god. That would make for a brilliant deskmat.
I would love to see some orange or teal incorporated in here. Or a volt/UV green instead of the yellow even.
I would love to see some orange or teal incorporated in here. Or a volt/UV green instead of the yellow even.
I concur with this! I would love to see some orange keys in there similar to the color at the bottom of the sun. Or maybe orange legends on the caps.
Definitely going to pick this up! Sad I missed the GMK Lasers and these are right up the same alley. Keep it up!
I forgot something.
Please have the option to choose a base kit with the alphas or a base kit with the katakanas.
I really don't think separate "alphas" work for GMK due to price. I really feel a vast majority of people would only use 1 of the two.
At least I would only buy this set with a base kit that includes the katakanas.
If I am forced to buy a base kit with alphas and get the katakanas separately, that will be way over 200$ and it would also mean that I would leave like 90% of the base set keys in the box which feels like such a waste.
If you also go for the novelties, and want katakanas and use a 65% or under you'd probably be using under 10 keys from the base kit.
Same thing happened recently with Hanami Dango set. I loved it, but wanted the Hiraganas and not Alphas, but they were sold separately and I can't justify spending over 200$ for it and also leave 90+% of the base kit unused.
Had there been the option to buy a base hiraganas kit I would have joined the GB day one.
Giving all the above some thought presently. One thing I'm not really keen on is offering two base kits because the goal will be a high MOQ on base. Having two of them cannibalises this goal (Unless your biip haha). Once we get through the business of the Christmas period it'll be easier to sit down and nut it out.
In any case, we've got vendors secured in most zones and are currently in talks for NA. With a bit of luck we can get this running in Q1 but will keep this updated as I get some more news.
For those who were wanting the Rev. 1 deskmat, I've commissioned a new artist who is busy working on a new design. The "Sunset" mat will not feature in a GB along this project, but will be available as an in-stock deskmat drop in early new year with Vendors in NA, Europe and Australia.
Stef
Giving all the above some thought presently. One thing I'm not really keen on is offering two base kits because the goal will be a high MOQ on base. Having two of them cannibalises this goal (Unless your biip haha). Once we get through the business of the Christmas period it'll be easier to sit down and nut it out.I don't think you're going to have ANY problem getting high MOQ on this set.... I bet you'll be getting tons of request for rounds 2, etc, for years after.
In any case, we've got vendors secured in most zones and are currently in talks for NA. With a bit of luck we can get this running in Q1 but will keep this updated as I get some more news.
For those who were wanting the Rev. 1 deskmat, I've commissioned a new artist who is busy working on a new design. The "Sunset" mat will not feature in a GB along this project, but will be available as an in-stock deskmat drop in early new year with Vendors in NA, Europe and Australia.
Stef
Higher MOQ means cheaper price, that way more people can afford it. 2 base kits will make it harder for runner to reach his goal. About the demand for this set during gb, it totally depends on the running period. Imagine you run a gb during last november when there are too many good sets, some of classic sets like yuri or grisanne were competed so hard because people made a choice to buy another good set.Giving all the above some thought presently. One thing I'm not really keen on is offering two base kits because the goal will be a high MOQ on base. Having two of them cannibalises this goal (Unless your biip haha). Once we get through the business of the Christmas period it'll be easier to sit down and nut it out.
In any case, we've got vendors secured in most zones and are currently in talks for NA. With a bit of luck we can get this running in Q1 but will keep this updated as I get some more news.
For those who were wanting the Rev. 1 deskmat, I've commissioned a new artist who is busy working on a new design. The "Sunset" mat will not feature in a GB along this project, but will be available as an in-stock deskmat drop in early new year with Vendors in NA, Europe and Australia.
Stef
I am not a designer so I have no clue why a high MOQ is important, but I think these days all sets reach MOQ easily.
I also think due to the nature of the set that works very well with Japanese sub legends, that the split would be fairly close to 50/50 on who would prefer standard Alphas or Katakanas.
I really hope this can be reconsidered, or if there is only 1 base kit, to have the modifiers available as a separate kit for people wanting the Katakanas.
Looking at Hanami Dango the Hiragana alpha is 85$, and being forced into a 135$ base kit only to use a dozen of keys feels so bad.
And of course a small kit with some Cyan would be <3
A normal kit (mods + alphas together) costs less than separated mods + separated alphas, based on GMK pricing. But it's like that for every manufactured stuff. Reason behind this is that the manufacturer (in this case GMK) has to set up environment and infrastructure to produce keycaps, when you order everything in one place, GMK just needs to set up everything at once, this also aplies to quality-control and packaging. When 1 a base kit is splitted in 2, GMK needs to redo some of the steps twice hence the price will be more expensive. A big box with 2 cookies is normally cheaper than 2 small box each contains 1 cookie. This is how I understand it. I may be not correct tho. Hence you always see one base kit with mods and alphas since it's the best way both for buyers (more affordable prices) and also for vendors (fewer kits fewer MOQ goals).
So why can't the modifiers and alphas be split into separate sets?
And if there is only one complete base kit, and an extra separate alpha kit, should there not be a poll or something on which of the alphas should be included in the base, and which should be separated out?
I see, that makes since.A normal kit (mods + alphas together) costs less than separated mods + separated alphas, based on GMK pricing. But it's like that for every manufactured stuff. Reason behind this is that the manufacturer (in this case GMK) has to set up environment and infrastructure to produce keycaps, when you order everything in one place, GMK just needs to set up everything at once, this also aplies to quality-control and packaging. When 1 a base kit is splitted in 2, GMK needs to redo some of the steps twice hence the price will be more expensive. A big box with 2 cookies is normally cheaper than 2 small box each contains 1 cookie. This is how I understand it. I may be not correct tho. Hence you always see one base kit with mods and alphas since it's the best way both for buyers (more affordable prices) and also for vendors (fewer kits fewer MOQ goals).
So why can't the modifiers and alphas be split into separate sets?
And if there is only one complete base kit, and an extra separate alpha kit, should there not be a poll or something on which of the alphas should be included in the base, and which should be separated out?
Runner obviously prefers a cleaner look with mono latin alpha in base kit. I don't oppose with the kitting, I also prefer mono latin alphas :p
What you're mentioning is actually happening in GMK Norse IC. Runner made a poll to decide which set of alphas should be included in base. The poll turns out right now 57 - 42. It's gonna a ****tiest decision making ever.I see, that makes since.A normal kit (mods + alphas together) costs less than separated mods + separated alphas, based on GMK pricing. But it's like that for every manufactured stuff. Reason behind this is that the manufacturer (in this case GMK) has to set up environment and infrastructure to produce keycaps, when you order everything in one place, GMK just needs to set up everything at once, this also aplies to quality-control and packaging. When 1 a base kit is splitted in 2, GMK needs to redo some of the steps twice hence the price will be more expensive. A big box with 2 cookies is normally cheaper than 2 small box each contains 1 cookie. This is how I understand it. I may be not correct tho. Hence you always see one base kit with mods and alphas since it's the best way both for buyers (more affordable prices) and also for vendors (fewer kits fewer MOQ goals).
So why can't the modifiers and alphas be split into separate sets?
And if there is only one complete base kit, and an extra separate alpha kit, should there not be a poll or something on which of the alphas should be included in the base, and which should be separated out?
Runner obviously prefers a cleaner look with mono latin alpha in base kit. I don't oppose with the kitting, I also prefer mono latin alphas :p
So, either separate both alphas from the mods, and only slightly screw over both parties (the ones that want the reg alphas AND the ones that want subs), or include one of the alphas with mods, and screw over only which ever party gets left out, substantially...
I think there should be a poll on which alphas to include with the base (unless SK has a preference, then i guess it's up to him)
But indeed a base kit without alphas and then having the choice between regular alphas or katakanas sublegends is probably a good middle ground.
I didn't even know that was an option.That middle ground is not a good idea, the set will probably flop because the price for a base kit surely becomes too high.
But indeed a base kit without alphas and then having the choice between regular alphas or katakanas sublegends is probably a good middle ground.
So this is a gmk version of matrix keycaps pbt retrowave . so much for originality
Yes. This was all ready covered. Doing it that way would make it slightly more expensive for "everyone", instead of doing it the other way, and making it A LOT more expensive for whatever party's alphas get left off the base set.But indeed a base kit without alphas and then having the choice between regular alphas or katakanas sublegends is probably a good middle ground.
That would just make it more expensive for *everyone*.
So this is a gmk version of matrix keycaps pbt retrowave . so much for originality"Originality".... is beyond overrated, there is no idea that it truly "original". Whining about being unique is for angst teens. Adults realize we stand on the shoulders of giants, it's silly not to build off what others have done.
Yes. This was all ready covered. Doing it that way would make it slightly more expensive for "everyone", instead of doing it the other way, and making it A LOT more expensive for whatever party's alphas get left off the base set.But indeed a base kit without alphas and then having the choice between regular alphas or katakanas sublegends is probably a good middle ground.
That would just make it more expensive for *everyone*.
I'm good with whatever way it ends up. I want the sub-legend alphas, so obviously that's what i would prefer to be included in the base kit, but if I'm in the minority, especially a small minority, then we should do it another way.
I suppose "slightly" was a poor word choice.
"Just let the GB runners pick which way works best for their set, and everyone can adapt." Well yeah, and that to was all ready mentioned..
We're just giving our 2 cents, which is in general the point of these threads, (other then to advertise and get the word out.) He/she/they are of coarse free to do with it what they wish.
Yeah, i think we've come to the conclusion (as if it is up to any of us...) that splitting both alphas from the modifiers isn't optimal, and that it would probably be better to have a poll to decide which of the alphas goes with the base.I suppose "slightly" was a poor word choice.
"Just let the GB runners pick which way works best for their set, and everyone can adapt." Well yeah, and that to was all ready mentioned..
We're just giving our 2 cents, which is in general the point of these threads, (other then to advertise and get the word out.) He/she/they are of coarse free to do with it what they wish.
My 2¢: Your idea is not realistically feasible with how GMK's pricing structure works. Buyers would probably be looking at around $150 for 60%/65% coverage, around $170 for 75% and TKL, and up to $190–$200 to match coverage offered by standard GMK base kits. You can see this for yourself if you look at sets that offered separate alphas and mods as child kits (e.g. GMK Future Funk).
Edit: updated calculation
Edit2: i am bad at math
Yeah, i think we've come to the conclusion (as if it is up to any of us...) that splitting both alphas from the modifiers isn't optimal, and that it would probably be better to have a poll to decide which of the alphas goes with the base.
But again, the Gb runner can do whatever they wish, obviously. (and i'll be happy, this set is dope.)
Buyers would probably be looking at around $150 for 60%/65% coverage, around $170 for 75% and TKL, and up to $190–$200 to match coverage offered by standard GMK base kits. You can see this for yourself if you look at sets that offered separate alphas and mods as child kits (e.g. GMK Future Funk).
Thanks for a concrete example here; looking at CandyKeys I can see the base kit (with numpad and even some media keys) comes in at €135 whereas the separate icons + alphas comes to €152 with no numpad or €165 with numpad. Also, that is a NICE kit. Shame it doesn't have ISO-UK support. ;)
Yeah, i think we've come to the conclusion (as if it is up to any of us...) that splitting both alphas from the modifiers isn't optimal, and that it would probably be better to have a poll to decide which of the alphas goes with the base.
But again, the Gb runner can do whatever they wish, obviously. (and i'll be happy, this set is dope.)
I've seen you comment on this thread so much, and you also have the matching sig and avatar, that I've subconsciously started thinking that you're the runner :D
Buyers would probably be looking at around $150 for 60%/65% coverage, around $170 for 75% and TKL, and up to $190–$200 to match coverage offered by standard GMK base kits. You can see this for yourself if you look at sets that offered separate alphas and mods as child kits (e.g. GMK Future Funk).
Thanks for a concrete example here; looking at CandyKeys I can see the base kit (with numpad and even some media keys) comes in at €135 whereas the separate icons + alphas comes to €152 with no numpad or €165 with numpad. Also, that is a NICE kit. Shame it doesn't have ISO-UK support. ;)
I'm happy for whatever alphas the designer likes in the basekit and then extra alphas as already proposed.
Have you ever thought of just not including the numpad on the base kit? I mean to make the base kit cheaper and tbh it's not just me who has crap ton of numpad not being used and being stuck on their box/plastic etc.
It would reduce the price by 10usd tho.Have you ever thought of just not including the numpad on the base kit? I mean to make the base kit cheaper and tbh it's not just me who has crap ton of numpad not being used and being stuck on their box/plastic etc.
Makes an excellent point.. I don't think many people have full size keyboards anymore. It's mostly 60, tkl, and 75 is getting very popular. I can't see myself ever purchasing a full size one again.
Not sure what your point is? Yes, it would reduce the price, that's why we are in favor of it.. (and becasue i have no use for a numpad)It would reduce the price by 10usd tho.Have you ever thought of just not including the numpad on the base kit? I mean to make the base kit cheaper and tbh it's not just me who has crap ton of numpad not being used and being stuck on their box/plastic etc.
Makes an excellent point.. I don't think many people have full size keyboards anymore. It's mostly 60, tkl, and 75 is getting very popular. I can't see myself ever purchasing a full size one again.
GMK Peeps.
Maybe it's the lighting, but the eyes on that right cap seems to be a little bit green-tinted to me.
Miami Vice kit :-)
Yep the plan is to keep one loud deskmat and one more minimalistic deskmat which we are working on right now (Likely the purple mat with a silhouette repeating pattern, possibly the palm trees or the flamingos).
I'm hesitant to remove the car as it is literally the focal point of the entire deskmat. Removing it just puts us back at the original design (If you are really into the sunset deskmat you'll be able to buy it shortly from Space Cables, SwitchKeys, KeyGem, Ashkeebs and ProtoTypist)
Thanks for the continued interest guys. We're also pleased to confirm Project Keyboard who will be running this for North America.
Deskmat prototype has arrived. Qualiy and vibrancy blew me away, really excited to share these.These are stellar!
In terms of set progress. We've sent the kits off to GMK for quotation. Just waiting to hear backShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/JRaqKxC.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yxJ96Th.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Jsk67DO.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RnnoVEv.png)
Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.
Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.
Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.
Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Was the hardest decision of the whole set. Ultimately I chose latin purely because it slightly edged out Katakana as an option (Talking literally single digit percentages).
It'll probably be the same with this one. I don't think all that many people end up filling out the IC form. I know i forget half the time..Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.
Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Was the hardest decision of the whole set. Ultimately I chose latin purely because it slightly edged out Katakana as an option (Talking literally single digit percentages).
I think it's a tough decision.
Awaken with Katakana outsold the Latin Alphas by almost 3 to 1.
Gmk agent 01 had sublegends at first but removed later due to interest. It depends on theme and time.It'll probably be the same with this one. I don't think all that many people end up filling out the IC form. I know i forget half the time..Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.
Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Was the hardest decision of the whole set. Ultimately I chose latin purely because it slightly edged out Katakana as an option (Talking literally single digit percentages).
I think it's a tough decision.
Awaken with Katakana outsold the Latin Alphas by almost 3 to 1.
Gmk agent 01 had sublegends at first but removed later due to interest. It depends on theme and time.It'll probably be the same with this one. I don't think all that many people end up filling out the IC form. I know i forget half the time..Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.
Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Was the hardest decision of the whole set. Ultimately I chose latin purely because it slightly edged out Katakana as an option (Talking literally single digit percentages).
I think it's a tough decision.
Awaken with Katakana outsold the Latin Alphas by almost 3 to 1.
Probably. I guess well see what the finale sale numbers are (in regards to both gmk agent and this) If i'm correct about people not filling out the IC forms, that lack of interest may not be reflected in final sale numbers.Gmk agent 01 had sublegends at first but removed later due to interest. It depends on theme and time.It'll probably be the same with this one. I don't think all that many people end up filling out the IC form. I know i forget half the time..Yeah, we both wish. But doesn't look like that's in the cards unfortunately.
Even better if the Katakana alphas were in the base set, leaving the simple alpha in an additional kit.
Was the hardest decision of the whole set. Ultimately I chose latin purely because it slightly edged out Katakana as an option (Talking literally single digit percentages).
I think it's a tough decision.
Awaken with Katakana outsold the Latin Alphas by almost 3 to 1.
So this is cancelled??! Why would you say such a horrible thing?! :eek:
Its Early 2021. Where is it?? GIB!!!! :]I vaguely remember someone saying GMK got so back ordered, they decided to stop taking new orders for the time being. So i think a lot of GB's are on hold for now. (Take with a grain of salt, I'm not sure.)
So this is cancelled??! Why would you say such a horrible thing?! :eek:
So this is cancelled??! Why would you say such a horrible thing?! :eek:
Allegedly, according to Lang [GMK Cafe], GMK is stopping Retrowave due to a novelty and common theme to GMK Laser
Allegedly, according to Lang [GMK Cafe], GMK is stopping Retrowave due to a novelty and common theme to GMK Laser
So this is cancelled??! Why would you say such a horrible thing?! :eek:
Allegedly, according to Lang [GMK Cafe], GMK is stopping Retrowave due to a novelty and common theme to GMK Laser
So this is cancelled??! Why would you say such a horrible thing?! :eek:
Allegedly, according to Lang [GMK Cafe], GMK is stopping Retrowave due to a novelty and common theme to GMK Laser
Correct me if i'm wrong, but what novelties do they share, other then the cassette tape and the sun with lines? Both of which existed long before Laser used them.So this is cancelled??! Why would you say such a horrible thing?! :eek:
Allegedly, according to Lang [GMK Cafe], GMK is stopping Retrowave due to a novelty and common theme to GMK Laser
The novelty I can understand, if it was a copywrite issue, better to deal with it now, rather than later.
But stopping a set for "common theme"? GMK has definitely run sets of the similar theme *simultaneously * before.
If that's the case, that's insanely lame.
Has anyone tried reaching out to Mito (Laser's GB runner) and asking him to advocate for it? EDIT: I shot him a message on discord, but i doubt he'll pay much attention to some message from a random dude he's never talked to on discord. We'll see.I would be surprised if it wasn't Mito/Drop who raised that issue with GMK in the first place
It is absurd that Vaporwave, which had WAY more in common with Laser, got made no problem, but GMK is pulling this crap with this set?
I know I'm in the minority, but can we just go SA?
That "outrun" sun symbol has been around along time, Laser has no ownership over it.
Yeah, you're not the 1st person to imply that possibility.. That's part of the reason I contacted him, in hope to at least partly dispel that rumor. If that it is the case, I hope it's Drop and not Mito.. I've bought THREE of Mito's sets.. If i find out I've been supporting a d-bag, piece of scum, i will be even more bummed by the situation. How DARE anyone try to claim any kind of trademark or something for 90% novelties in Laser, especially the "outrun" sun. They've all been around a LONG time, way before Laser, and are in no way originated by Drop/Mito.Has anyone tried reaching out to Mito (Laser's GB runner) and asking him to advocate for it? EDIT: I shot him a message on discord, but i doubt he'll pay much attention to some message from a random dude he's never talked to on discord. We'll see.I would be surprised if it wasn't Mito/Drop who raised that issue with GMK in the first place
It is absurd that Vaporwave, which had WAY more in common with Laser, got made no problem, but GMK is pulling this crap with this set?
I know I'm in the minority, but can we just go SA?
That "outrun" sun symbol has been around along time, Laser has no ownership over it.
Very disappointing. Is there anything the community can do to help make this happen?Grab your pitch-fork, get a plane ticket, and meet me in Germany! Time for some nerd-mob justice!
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.
Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:
Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.Thanks, but I do not understand why there should be any "compromise" on the part of Retrowave. There is absolutely nothing used in the retrowave kit that Laser has any right to what so ever. That "sunset" novelty, especially, existed LONG before Laser decided to use it.
Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:
Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.
What EXACTLY is the issue?
Frankly, that's nonsense. Transparency has always been a part of this community . These are GROUP BUYS. We are INVESTING in a product that has yet to be made, some transparency is a good thing. And not saying is just going to lead to more wild and potentially harmful, speculation. (Whether or not it SHOULD be that way, it is that way.). People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected yet this a case where, OBVIOUSLY, there are no prior rights being stepped on.What EXACTLY is the issue?
Frankly, that's none of our business. People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected and the set designer is able to achieve their vision. In the fullness of time they will tell us what is possible to run, and we may then make our decisions about the set at that time. Getting worked up about it now does nothing but dissuade people from being candid about such issues in the future and does nobody any favours.
What EXACTLY is the issue?
Frankly, that's none of our business. People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected and the set designer is able to achieve their vision. In the fullness of time they will tell us what is possible to run, and we may then make our decisions about the set at that time. Getting worked up about it now does nothing but dissuade people from being candid about such issues in the future and does nobody any favours.
Frankly, that's nonsense. Transparency has always been a part of this community . These are GROUP BUYS. We are INVESTING in a product that has yet to be made, some transparency is a good thing. And not saying is just going to lead to more wild and potentially harmful, speculation. (Whether or not it SHOULD be that way, it is that way.). People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected yet this a case where, OBVIOUSLY, there are no prior rights being stepped on.What EXACTLY is the issue?
Frankly, that's none of our business. People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected and the set designer is able to achieve their vision. In the fullness of time they will tell us what is possible to run, and we may then make our decisions about the set at that time. Getting worked up about it now does nothing but dissuade people from being candid about such issues in the future and does nobody any favours.
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.
Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:
Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.
yuckWhat EXACTLY is the issue?
Frankly, that's none of our business. People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected and the set designer is able to achieve their vision. In the fullness of time they will tell us what is possible to run, and we may then make our decisions about the set at that time. Getting worked up about it now does nothing but dissuade people from being candid about such issues in the future and does nobody any favours.
:thumb:
Care to elaborate?I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.
Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:
Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.
Thank you for confirming that it is in fact MiTo who has stopped the set from going forward.
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.
Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:
Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.
Thank you for confirming that it is in fact MiTo who has stopped the set from going forward.
I felt like we needed to clear up a few things regarding this set. First and foremost, people need to stop blaming MiTo as he is not the cause of this set being put on hold. It has been rather disheartening and disappointing to see how some people have made incorrect assumptions and placed blame and hardship on others.
Secondly, I am having meetings will all involved parties and am very hopeful that we can get this project back on the books. It may take some cooperation and compromise from all involved, but certainly nothing major that can't be overcome. All parties are open to making this work, so I believe this set can still happen. :thumb:
Finally, nobody was in the wrong here, and there is no blame to place. Everyone has been working to make this set a reality, and if folks could withhold judgements or assumptions until this matter is settled it would work out best for everyone. If anyone has any direct questions feel free to DM me.
Thank you for confirming that it is in fact MiTo who has stopped the set from going forward.
This is not correct. It was not Mito. I can say this definitively. Please do not make assumptions like this and spread misinformation.
Frankly, that's nonsense. Transparency has always been a part of this community . These are GROUP BUYS. We are INVESTING in a product that has yet to be made, some transparency is a good thing. And not saying is just going to lead to more wild and potentially harmful, speculation. (Whether or not it SHOULD be that way, it is that way.). People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected yet this a case where, OBVIOUSLY, there are no prior rights being stepped on.
Care to elaborate?
The secrecy and lack of transparency, is certainly making that seem more and more possible, but i need some evidence before i come to a solid conclusion.
Care to elaborate?
The secrecy and lack of transparency, is certainly making that seem more and more possible, but i need some evidence before i come to a solid conclusion.
No. There is a line between transparency and private conversations. As this isn't a group buy yet, and nobody has put money into this project outside of the vendor potentially, therefore all conversations being had with the vendors are private conversations. Absolutely no real company would ever divulge private information like this publicly, that would be incredibly unprofessional.
Hey, while this is on hold, at least GMK Hinokoku gets to go into GB WTF GMK...
"@GMK_Andy come on....What the hell is this and why is it moving forward in GB? Y'all just posted about how sets with IP can't run any longer. I could have missed it, but did the designer or Kono provide proof of permission to use these novelties? They are literally traced from items in the show!!! Was this set licenses? Given the cost I doubt it. Can GMK please please please confirm what guidelines are used to decide when a set can and can't run? This set is super close to GMK Red Dragon, and damn near a copy of KAT Explosion. It seems fine for you to run this, but Retrowave was cancelled at first because it was "similar to Laser" If it really does just boil down to what sets will sell better, or what vendor has better lawyers, tell us. We can at least give you points for transparency and move forward. "
Hey, while this is on hold, at least GMK Hinokoku gets to go into GB WTF GMK...
"@GMK_Andy come on....What the hell is this and why is it moving forward in GB? Y'all just posted about how sets with IP can't run any longer. I could have missed it, but did the designer or Kono provide proof of permission to use these novelties? They are literally traced from items in the show!!! Was this set licenses? Given the cost I doubt it. Can GMK please please please confirm what guidelines are used to decide when a set can and can't run? This set is super close to GMK Red Dragon, and damn near a copy of KAT Explosion. It seems fine for you to run this, but Retrowave was cancelled at first because it was "similar to Laser" If it really does just boil down to what sets will sell better, or what vendor has better lawyers, tell us. We can at least give you points for transparency and move forward. "
...since the currently ongoing IP issues with GMK are apparently affecting all other sets as well...
"It is a very bold claim to say that there are obviously no prior rights being stepped on when the keycap set is inspired by a game that is still in copyrightFrankly, that's nonsense. Transparency has always been a part of this community . These are GROUP BUYS. We are INVESTING in a product that has yet to be made, some transparency is a good thing. And not saying is just going to lead to more wild and potentially harmful, speculation. (Whether or not it SHOULD be that way, it is that way.). People are working together to ensure any prior rights are respected yet this a case where, OBVIOUSLY, there are no prior rights being stepped on.
I think it's important to make the distinction that this is still in the IC phase, and that before anyone (apart from the set designer) is investing any money here it will be crystal clear what will be in the set and what will be out. We have seen a level of transparency here; I don't think the community needs to get daily updates on the correspondence. If discussions around legal issues are taking place then consider that many lawyers consider being asked to do something in a week is a rush job and so things may take a little while to be figured out.
It is a very bold claim to say that there are obviously no prior rights being stepped on when the keycap set is inspired by a game that is still in copyright. Since GMK are based in Germany there are an exciting variety of IP rights for them to navigate around. It's also possible that one or more of the keys planned looks similar to a recently filed trademark application which could have given pause.
Hey, while this is on hold, at least GMK Hinokoku gets to go into GB WTF GMK...
"@GMK_Andy come on....What the hell is this and why is it moving forward in GB? Y'all just posted about how sets with IP can't run any longer. I could have missed it, but did the designer or Kono provide proof of permission to use these novelties? They are literally traced from items in the show!!! Was this set licenses? Given the cost I doubt it. Can GMK please please please confirm what guidelines are used to decide when a set can and can't run? This set is super close to GMK Red Dragon, and damn near a copy of KAT Explosion. It seems fine for you to run this, but Retrowave was cancelled at first because it was "similar to Laser" If it really does just boil down to what sets will sell better, or what vendor has better lawyers, tell us. We can at least give you points for transparency and move forward. "
Ding MF ding
Hopefully we'll hear back from both GMK and Stef this week.
Hopefully we'll hear back from both GMK and Stef this week.
I have been in contact with them yesterday to move this ahead. The delay is my fault, I had a death in the family and my child was in the hospital after a fall for a spell, so I was out of office and not following up on this last week.
Hopefully you guys did the right thing, and okayed this set as is, and apologized to them for pulling this nonsense. Since this set is obviously not violating anyone's IP?Hopefully we'll hear back from both GMK and Stef this week.
I have been in contact with them yesterday to move this ahead. The delay is my fault, I had a death in the family and my child was in the hospital after a fall for a spell, so I was out of office and not following up on this last week.
Hopefully we'll hear back from both GMK and Stef this week.
I have been in contact with them yesterday to move this ahead. The delay is my fault, I had a death in the family and my child was in the hospital after a fall for a spell, so I was out of office and not following up on this last week.
I have been in contact with them yesterday to move this ahead. The delay is my fault, I had a death in the family and my child was in the hospital after a fall for a spell, so I was out of office and not following up on this last week.
I have been in contact with them yesterday to move this ahead. The delay is my fault, I had a death in the family and my child was in the hospital after a fall for a spell, so I was out of office and not following up on this last week.Jeez man. I'm so sorry to hear that. My condolences <3
Hi everyone. Thanks for everyones patience as it's been a while since updates!
Retrowave is at the moment just finishing up discussions with both GMK and potentially affected parties to see if there are any issues (Or indeed what those issues may be)
We hope to be able to share with you the results of those discussions and what it means for the set in the next few days.
Cheers
Stef
Would it be too much to disclose who these "potentially affected parties" are?yeah as a potential customer I'd too like to know. GMK doesn't exactly have a short backlog, this hold virtually added 6 more months to the queue. I want to know who or what to thank for this.
Looking forward to the news.
They are never going to come clean as to what exactly happened here, they simply do not have enough moral fortitude. He even gave a thumbs up to the first person that supported this gross lack of transparency. At this point, it's safe to say that either GMK screwed up all on their own, or possibly at the behest of someone they play favorites with.. judging by their secrecy, probably the very person they're claiming had nothing to do with it.Would it be too much to disclose who these "potentially affected parties" are?yeah as a potential customer I'd too like to know. GMK doesn't exactly have a short backlog, this hold virtually added 6 more months to the queue. I want to know who or what to thank for this.
Looking forward to the news.
Sooooo... Any updates?It better end with Retrowave going ahead, as is, and with GMK apologizing for mistakenly believing this set was stepping on Laser's IP in anyway. (Or whatever stupid excuse they use for this nonsense.)
Regardless of transparency, however this ends up will speak volumes about who stands where.
All right, enough. Just get it together GMK. The last thing i want to do is have to boycott the most popular key company in the community.
Yes, i decided to tone it down, until more info is relieved......Good job undoing that, and for what? Just to let me know you saw i changed my mind? Good job champ. "entirely changed" that's just a lie.All right, enough. Just get it together GMK. The last thing i want to do is have to boycott the most popular key company in the community.
I see you edited and entirely changed your message to something less hateful.
Personally I am mostly tired of seeing the same messages from you in every retrowave, synthwave, vaporwave thread.
I think you made your point and your stance very clear on how you feel.
But I doubt you posting your feelings on the matter every week will change anything and maybe this IC thread is not the best place to do it.
I'm sure GMK has an email you can reach them at.
Hopefully we will get an update on Retrowave soon :thumb:
Seems we have worked out the issues. I have submitted my approval internally for this set pending a few small details, notably that it obviously can't be called "GMK Retro" though, as that set already exists. (https://drop.com/buy/gmk-retro-keycap-set)"Exists" in regards to the name of an idea that never came to fruition?
GL with GB folks. :thumb:
Seems we have worked out the issues. I have submitted my approval internally for this set pending a few small details, notably that it obviously can't be called "GMK Retro" though, as that set already exists. (https://drop.com/buy/gmk-retro-keycap-set)"Exists" in regards to the name of an idea that never came to fruition?
GL with GB folks. :thumb:
IIRC it was only made in SP DSA and SP SA unless there was a GMK iteration that flew under the radar
The name of this set was never “GMK Retro” the name of this set was “GMK Retrowave” since the IC started. What’s the problem?
Oh happy day =] hopefully we can get this shipped out winter 2022.It would have for sure, if GMK had not pulled this nonsense, and put a set on "hold" for no legitimate reason. At least they had enough integrity to apologize for this fiasco....oh... wait... never-mind.
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I feel ya!All right, enough. Just get it together GMK. The last thing i want to do is have to boycott the most popular key company in the community.
I see you edited and entirely changed your message to something less hateful.
Personally I am mostly tired of seeing the same messages from you in every retrowave, synthwave, vaporwave thread.
I think you made your point and your stance very clear on how you feel.
But I doubt you posting your feelings on the matter every week will change anything and maybe this IC thread is not the best place to do it.
I'm sure GMK has an email you can reach them at.
Hopefully we will get an update on Retrowave soon :thumb:
@SwitchKeys Why was the set renamed to “Retro” from “Retrowave”?Maybe we'll find out why once this is updated... hopefully along with a bunch of other insights doubt
So all those rumors and suspicions were true in the end.+1
Even though Andy tried to hide it.
Mito/Drop does claim ownership of a symbol that they never created.
How is this even legal? :confused:
But thanks anyways. At least now I know who I will avoid from now on in this hobby...
https://www.vectorstock.com/royalty-free-vectors/retrowave-sun-vectors
all belongs to Mito now just so you know...Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WDLGsvu.png)
Glad to see the set is back up and running.
Very disappointed in whoever has refused access to the sun in the set (but has allowed it for the Ramas?)
So all those rumors and suspicions were true in the end.
Even though Andy tried to hide it.
Mito/Drop do claim ownership of a symbol that they never created.
How is this even legal? :confused:
But thanks anyways. At least now I know who I will avoid from now on in this hobby...
It would be great if OP (or even the other parties involved) said why the retro sun had to be changed. Because it really does read that Drop/Mito forced the change.
It would be great if OP (or even the other parties involved) said why the retro sun had to be changed. Because it really does read that Drop/Mito forced the change.
Honestly could care less about the sun and drama. It’s a little drawn out and kind of silly how so many are bringing their pitchforks out over a single novelty. First world problems I guess lol. Just pumped for this to go into play.
Second deskmat is awesome btw!
Honestly could care less about the sun and drama. It’s a little drawn out and kind of silly how so many are bringing their pitchforks out over a single novelty. First world problems I guess lol. Just pumped for this to go into play.
Second deskmat is awesome btw!
Like I said, just pumped this colorway is good to go again, could care less otherwise lolHonestly could care less about the sun and drama. It’s a little drawn out and kind of silly how so many are bringing their pitchforks out over a single novelty. First world problems I guess lol. Just pumped for this to go into play.
Second deskmat is awesome btw!
you just missed the whole point lmaoo, really please dont comment anything if you're gonna brush it off like its nothing, especially when you dont know nor care about what is actually happening in this thread.
It would be great if OP (or even the other parties involved) said why the retro sun had to be changed. Because it really does read that Drop/Mito forced the change.
To put it simply, custom legends aren't publicly available. This is how it works for our industrial clients as well as our community ones. Someone has paid for that legend out of pocket, and therefore in our books that is their legend. This has always been the case, and will continue to be the case. Obviously these legends may be inspired by content elsewhere, but the fact remains that if someone translated an icon, such as the "sun", to a GMK legend first then they have the rights to it as they paid for it. I have given suggestions for changing the Sun to be a new novelty (palm tree in front, sideways, etc) but the final call on the direction here would be up to the designer.
For me, as someone with a background in music, this is like making a song out of a few very common chords, let's say Dm7 G7 Cmaj7 A7. Then say we throw a lead part playing with a Dmin scale on top. Give these chords and scales to 10 different artists, you'll get 10 different things, even though they are using the same 5 ingredients. And after an artist makes something out of these pieces, that are all publicly available, it becomes their own. Our keycaps are no different. Everyone is welcome to take on the theme with their overlapping similarities, but you can't make something exactly the same. And in this case the "sun" novelty has already been created. If the "sun" was publicly available, every vendors novelties would have to become publicly available, and protecting that IP for each and all of our vendors is something we intend to continue to do.
This is also the reason that we generally invest in new language molds, so that nobody is paying for them and that they are open for all to use. I should point out that MiTo has created the molds for many languages, including the ones this set uses, that are freely available for community use.
you just missed the whole point lmaoo, really please dont comment anything if you're gonna brush it off like its nothing, especially when you dont know nor care about what is actually happening in this thread.+1
I can not believe i bought 3 of his sets from that garbage company...never did and never will. typing on the akko neons right now and they've never felt as good.
Oh, and anyone who wants Laser, just buy the chinese knock off version. I imagine i'll be saying that a lot..
in the meantime I found on instagram that MiTo is designing a Genshin Impact themed set through DROP LMFAOOOOOO
just sit and watch that set go through the IP checks unscathed :D
To put it simply, custom legends aren't publicly available. This is how it works for our industrial clients as well as our community ones. Someone has paid for that legend out of pocket, and therefore in our books that is their legend. This has always been the case, and will continue to be the case. Obviously these legends may be inspired by content elsewhere, but the fact remains that if someone translated an icon, such as the "sun", to a GMK legend first then they have the rights to it as they paid for it. I have given suggestions for changing the Sun to be a new novelty (palm tree in front, sideways, etc) but the final call on the direction here would be up to the designer.
you just missed the whole point lmaoo, really please dont comment anything if you're gonna brush it off like its nothing, especially when you dont know nor care about what is actually happening in this thread.+1I can not believe i bought 3 of his sets from that garbage company...never did and never will. typing on the akko neons right now and they've never felt as good.
Oh, and anyone who wants Laser, just buy the chinese knock off version. I imagine i'll be saying that a lot..
in the meantime I found on instagram that MiTo is designing a Genshin Impact themed set through DROP LMFAOOOOOO
just sit and watch that set go through the IP checks unscathed :D
It would be great if OP (or even the other parties involved) said why the retro sun had to be changed. Because it really does read that Drop/Mito forced the change.
To put it simply, custom legends aren't publicly available. This is how it works for our industrial clients as well as our community ones. Someone has paid for that legend out of pocket, and therefore in our books that is their legend. This has always been the case, and will continue to be the case. Obviously these legends may be inspired by content elsewhere, but the fact remains that if someone translated an icon, such as the "sun", to a GMK legend first then they have the rights to it as they paid for it. I have given suggestions for changing the Sun to be a new novelty (palm tree in front, sideways, etc) but the final call on the direction here would be up to the designer.
For me, as someone with a background in music, this is like making a song out of a few very common chords, let's say Dm7 G7 Cmaj7 A7. Then say we throw a lead part playing with a Dmin scale on top. Give these chords and scales to 10 different artists, you'll get 10 different things, even though they are using the same 5 ingredients. And after an artist makes something out of these pieces, that are all publicly available, it becomes their own. Our keycaps are no different. Everyone is welcome to take on the theme with their overlapping similarities, but you can't make something exactly the same. And in this case the "sun" novelty has already been created. If the "sun" was publicly available, every vendors novelties would have to become publicly available, and protecting that IP for each and all of our vendors is something we intend to continue to do.
This is also the reason that we generally invest in new language molds, so that nobody is paying for them and that they are open for all to use. I should point out that MiTo has created the molds for many languages, including the ones this set uses, that are freely available for community use.
You’re quite right, but I think your point of view is a bit shortsighted.It would be great if OP (or even the other parties involved) said why the retro sun had to be changed. Because it really does read that Drop/Mito forced the change.
To put it simply, custom legends aren't publicly available. This is how it works for our industrial clients as well as our community ones. Someone has paid for that legend out of pocket, and therefore in our books that is their legend. This has always been the case, and will continue to be the case. Obviously these legends may be inspired by content elsewhere, but the fact remains that if someone translated an icon, such as the "sun", to a GMK legend first then they have the rights to it as they paid for it. I have given suggestions for changing the Sun to be a new novelty (palm tree in front, sideways, etc) but the final call on the direction here would be up to the designer.
For me, as someone with a background in music, this is like making a song out of a few very common chords, let's say Dm7 G7 Cmaj7 A7. Then say we throw a lead part playing with a Dmin scale on top. Give these chords and scales to 10 different artists, you'll get 10 different things, even though they are using the same 5 ingredients. And after an artist makes something out of these pieces, that are all publicly available, it becomes their own. Our keycaps are no different. Everyone is welcome to take on the theme with their overlapping similarities, but you can't make something exactly the same. And in this case the "sun" novelty has already been created. If the "sun" was publicly available, every vendors novelties would have to become publicly available, and protecting that IP for each and all of our vendors is something we intend to continue to do.
This is also the reason that we generally invest in new language molds, so that nobody is paying for them and that they are open for all to use. I should point out that MiTo has created the molds for many languages, including the ones this set uses, that are freely available for community use.
So you are giving IP rights without having the legal right to do so? That isn't how IP works. You do not get to decide who owns something in the public domain outright because they paid you for a mold to be made.
Does that person own said mold? Yes. Does said person now own the public domain art? No. So by blocking the creation of a similar mold using said public domain art (or variations of said art) you are giving rights without the legal authority to do so.
Your strawman argument of "every vendors novelties would have to become publicly available" is bull**** and you know it. That isn't at all what would need to happen as there are a ton of designs that are not in the public domain and therefore no reason to make them publicly available or allow similar variations given the art isn't owned by any party. Mold ownership does not equal ownership of said art, they are separate rights do not equate them as one and gatekeep for the sake of making one customer have a monopoly on something they themselves do not have the rights to.
If this was about an original novelty design it would be understandable to block (which it isn't in this case), but that doesn't mean all situations are like this and you as a manufacturer have to understand when someone owns the rights to something and when they don't.
This seems more so like getting caught and making an excuse later but it just being nonsense to distract from what is really happening. This sets a precedent for using all public domain art and squatting on it to prevent any future use because y'all fail to understand what your actions actually mean. Hopefully you learn from this and stop with the bull**** arguments. This isn't about a retrowave sun novelty anymore as you decided to take it beyond that and give out legal rights without the authority and that is crossing the line.
Is this policy too simplistic? Yes, perhaps it should be revisited, but going with pitchforks for GMK is childish and unreasonable IMO.
Allow people to pay for their own molds of public domain art regardless of whether someone had already done (and paid for) their own molds of the public domain art in question.
I don't speak for GMK and have no relationship with them (beyond hoping they can make a number of keycap sets I'm waiting for). I'm disappointed that the sunset novelty is now absent from the kit, but am pleased that the kit will be able to run. I'm writing this comment to correct some miscomprehensions of IP that have been discussed in this thread, and to answer some of the questions I've seen.
In Europe in particular, we have an exciting variety of intellectual property rights that can apply to keycap design. Without performing a detailed analysis I cannot speak with certainty on the matter. However, my suspiscion is that the design of a novelty keycap like the sunset gives rise to a number of relevant rights, including unregistered (at least) design rights and moral rights. These rights exist independent of any copyright or other rights in any artwork that may have inspired the design of the keycap \[0]. Accordingly, although an artwork may be public domain [1] a keycap based on that artwork may still be subject to IP considerations related to the design of that keycap.
My first point is therefore that simply because others are (apparently) free to use the iconography of the sunset image does not necessarily mean that GMK are free to use the existing sunset keycap mold without the approval of all persons who hold IP in the mold.
The practicalities of dualshot ABS molding impose a variety of limitations on what is possible to make as a keycap, in particular relating to line thickness. Given we are talking about a design on a 1U keycap, there is a limited amount of freedom available for a designer to move away from any existing designs. Particularly pertaining to design rights, the legal test for infringement is based on whether "a different overall impression" is conferred upon a viewer of the keycap [2]. Accordingly, even if GMK were to make a somewhat different design that still represents a sunset with repeated horizontal lines there could still be an issue.
My second point is therefore that technical considerations may limit GMK's ability to avoid any rights that exist in previous keycap molds [3].
IP litigation, particularly in Germany, is scary. A manufacturer of a product can very quickly find themselves barred from selling a product or ordered to destroy those stocks they have of it. Imagine if GMK did have such an issue, and the massive reputational damage (not to mention the logistical hurdles) involved in giving refunds to people and/or delivering a set that does not look as promised. The penalties of getting IP wrong are very significant. The legal costs involved in clearing things which are controversial or questionable are also significant, and do not provide any guarantee that things will go your way if you do end up before a judge [5].
My third point is therefore that it should not be surprising if GMK are being very cautious around any IP issues associated with keycap sets.
Overall I'm not surprised with how things have worked out, and am pleased we're back on track for me to have a truly lurid keycap set.
[0] This comes from the principle that each act of creative work can give rise to its own protection. For example, if JK Rowling took an existing piece of Harry Potter fanfiction and published it as her own, this would give rise to a (potentially very lucrative) copyright claim on the part of the fanfiction writer. Even though the fanfiction itself is based on/is an infringement of an existing right, new and separate copyright (and other rights!) still subsist in that work.
[1] I do not believe that the sunset design ("as such") is in the public domain. It seems to be an orphan work in that no-one is taking charge of the right or challenging people using it, but nevertheless if chain of title could be established somebody could claim ownership of it. This would be fun(tm).
[2] In principle the breadth of protection should be limited by any technical considerations that apply (does the design provide a different overall impression to the informed user who would take into considearation the freedom available to the designer. In practice there have been some big cases (such as Procter & Gamble vs Reckitt Benckiser) where injunctions have been granted an significant financial hardships imposed by the court of first instance on what, in my opinion, is a clearly different design.
[3] This is less relevant for "functional" keycap design since fewer rights are attracted to such design. This may explain why someone was (apparently, I'm learning this for the first time today) able to recreate Katakana[4] molds when a previous creator of them was not amenable to the use of the old molds.
[4] Also the shape of Katakanas are firmly in the public domain, unlike the sunset design.
[5] Again, I refer to Procter & Gamble vs Reckitt Benckiser where it took an appeal before the "correct" result was obtained.
When it comes to us though, those molds are then protected as they are still paid for by the original designer. This isn't, and never was, a case of preferred vendors. I'm not sure how that idea came to be. This is simply a case of being first, and in this case Laser was years ahead on this icon and theme. There are contracts that are signed and legal ramifications here with icon molds, we don't make duplicates.
Pad print a palm tree over the doubleshot logoThat would look dope.
Oh well, it is what it is. Probably best just to move on, or at least leave it out of this thread, but... sorry i got some Q's:
Still sounds like Mito could of done the right thing, and let them use that mold. Ugh.
And this "being first" with a symbol, except when it comes to a series of symbols (languages) policy is stupid and wrong.
AND i am still unclear why SK could not just pay for another mold, that happens to be exactly the same as Mito's. exactly like he did with katakana. "languages are not protected" and neither is that sunset image.... So why can't this be done? Is it simply you policy? Explain please. and thank you for your time.
Okay, thank you for taking the time to reply, it is greatly appreciated.
Really informative discussion towards the end here. Distinguishing between art and molds based on art is really helpful, and the legal nuances surrounding the differences (especially in Germany’s decidedly non-American system ;) ) should be understood by and shared broadly with keyset designers.
Wow, the dirt on the renders is so realistic. I didn't even realize it was Rendered
I thought it was on my monitor until I scrolled down
Very nice render and I will think about the Very Bright Colors
while I slay the caterpillars trying to infest the 64 leaves that remain on the Tree.
cool
when GB
That's right. Just waiting for global pricing so we can release that, which should happen in the next few days.
Also proud to present additional RAMA collab we have, for all the sneakerheads out there :pShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/tr3Deyr.png)
That's right. Just waiting for global pricing so we can release that, which should happen in the next few days.
Also proud to present additional RAMA collab we have, for all the sneakerheads out there :pShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/tr3Deyr.png)
I love it! However, just coming from GMK Pharaoh's Rama, they're both the same color... Is Rama only letting you do that gray/silver? Just thought I'd ask since both sets i'm watching have the same color Ramas now lmao
Hey All, excuse me if I sound dumb here, but is the group buy closed or yet to open for the GMK Retrowave?As indicated in the subject, the GB opens for this set on 1 August.
Hey All, excuse me if I sound dumb here, but is the group buy closed or yet to open for the GMK Retrowave?As indicated in the subject, the GB opens for this set on 1 August.
Bit late but can't hurt to ask, chance of sublegends on the UK-ISO Keys? Considering UK-ISO is in base would be super nice. Otherwise would skip on the alt Alphas.
Is it going to use new katakana molds developed by biip or the old ones?
Interesting! Thank you for the detailed explanationIs it going to use new katakana molds developed by biip or the old ones?
This set uses the new community katakana molds that were first developed by MiTo for GMK Mecha-01, with assistance from NK_, myself and a few others. These molds differ from biip's molds in that they are based on the standard ANSI-JP layout (and as such have kana placement which matches the output that you would get from a JP IME on most systems); whereas the layout that biip uses in his sets is based on a vintage JP layout used by Apple on the AEK and AEKII, and still partially in use by Apple today on modern macOS. Apart from this, there are also some visual differences in the legends themselves: shape, thickness, presence/lack of extra elements such as dotted boxes, etc.
Didn't see a link to an IC form so I will leave this here:I'm afraid at this point the only option will be to use novelties for this
Please add two 1.5u Super keys and a second 1u Alt key either to the base kit or an extension kit to add support for macOS 7u and HHKB layouts.