[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105163.0][img]https://i.imgur.com/PNlwPBK.png[/img][/url]That's a lot of simultaneous ICs and GBs to manage. I'd be a bit concerned as to how one can manage this kind of pipeline.
1. [GB] GMK Peaches and Cream
2. [GB] GMK Terra
3. [GB] KAT Atlantis
4. [IC] KAT Goddess
5. [IC] KAT Explosion
6. [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R?
7. [IC] GMK Red Dragon
I understand having a lot of ideas and wanting them to be successfully produced as per the designer's preferences, but I am worried this is spreading way too thinly.
HMMMMM, where have I seen this board before?
That's a lot of simultaneous ICs and GBs to manage. I'd be a bit concerned as to how one can manage this kind of pipeline.
1. [GB] GMK Peaches and Cream
2. [GB] GMK Terra
3. [GB] KAT Atlantis
4. [IC] KAT Goddess
5. [IC] KAT Explosion
6. [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R?
7. [IC] GMK Red Dragon
I understand having a lot of ideas and wanting them to be successfully produced as per the designer's preferences, but I am worried this is spreading way too thinly.
More importantly, it is a bit alarming to me that this may be an attempt to "claim" the spot to an idea (by having an IC thread in existence), or worse yet, in the queue of sets to be produced.
But with things being so busy for one person, I can't imagine these would all proceed well with no hiccups.
That's a lot of simultaneous ICs and GBs to manage. I'd be a bit concerned as to how one can manage this kind of pipeline.
1. [GB] GMK Peaches and Cream
2. [GB] GMK Terra
3. [GB] KAT Atlantis
4. [IC] KAT Goddess
5. [IC] KAT Explosion
6. [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R?
7. [IC] GMK Red Dragon
I understand having a lot of ideas and wanting them to be successfully produced as per the designer's preferences, but I am worried this is spreading way too thinly.
More importantly, it is a bit alarming to me that this may be an attempt to "claim" the spot to an idea (by having an IC thread in existence), or worse yet, in the queue of sets to be produced.
But with things being so busy for one person, I can't imagine these would all proceed well with no hiccups.
plz change its name from 西方龙 to 东(east)方龙，西方龙make no sense
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Such an ironic piece.
In Chinese, if you're referring to Dragon of the West, it's the one with the wings. And here, we see a traditional Chinese dragon with a 「西方龍」, lol
And I'm not trying to be cynical or what. But the word 「西方龍」 isn't a type of word/description we, Chinese would use in our culture to describe dragon.
This is some poor attempt of a foreigner trying to use random Chinese characters to make up some kind of meaning in order to fit the theme just like lots of foreigners using weird Chinese words as their tattoos.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MnME9HQ.jpg)
In Chinese, if you're referring to Dragon of the West...
Red split space bars?It's possible!
Why does it say "western dragon" in Chinese? It does not make sense in so many different ways..This was intentional but I should have checked into this more beforehand. Western dragon is a tribute for Iroh.
will we see a Rama cap eventually?Yes
The name and story totally not make sense.... :confused:Same as above this was intentional but I'm looking into correcting it!
“Loong” = Oriental Dragon = 東方龍
“Dragon” = Western Dragon = 西方龍
I am working with someone who speaks Chinese to convey the meaning 'Dragon of the West' but actually makes sense in the languageplz change its name from 西方龙 to 东(east)方龙，西方龙make no sense
Yeah so much this. If it’s in Japanese or some other language that I don’t understand it won’t bother me at all but 西方龍 just makes no sense on many levels..
Any chance you'll be using CR or N9?No GMK stock colors were used. These are all custom, the alphas are a very dark grey.
Why is the 40s kit so barebones compared to mizu's? No minivan compat?This was to help bring the cost down while still offering a good amount of basic compatibility. The base has "out" and "read" to help the micro kit cover basic ortho and 40s layouts.
Please add Minivan compat. There are over 2,000 Minivans in our hands with more on the way from TKC.No, the dark grey alphas are a custom color just like all of the other colors in the set.
Will the dark ashy gray alphas be the same gray used by GMK Red Samurai, GMK First Love, and GMK Hero?
how would this set look in real lighting? these renders give me the impression that the legends are lit by led in a dark gamer caveI've got some more renders with a less dark setup coming to show the set better.
Update #2: More Renders! 3/20
HBCP | HineyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZDJbZwH.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/DZYFZFn.png)
The word '西方龍' is not accurate and not match with the actual concept as others has suggested, but happy to see the OP is going to adjust it.
Apart from that everything i s perfect for me and I just want the GB run asap :D
Will you consider adding modifiers kit that provide same background colors as the alphas?Are you meaning dark grey modifiers to match the alphas?
Will you consider adding modifiers kit that provide same background colors as the alphas?Are you meaning dark grey modifiers to match the alphas?
Hey Ren. This is a long shot but here goes. Would you consider using the Zhuyin/ Alt Alphas in the main kit if the demand was there? I have been growing fond of one base color for mods and alphas. The aesthetic is just 👌.
Hey Ren. This is a long shot but here goes. Would you consider using the Zhuyin/ Alt Alphas in the main kit if the demand was there? I have been growing fond of one base color for mods and alphas. The aesthetic is just 👌.
Will you consider adding modifiers kit that provide same background colors as the alphas?Are you meaning dark grey modifiers to match the alphas?
I think that's what they meant. Like an all-black base with red legends. Also, shameless plug:Hey Ren. This is a long shot but here goes. Would you consider using the Zhuyin/ Alt Alphas in the main kit if the demand was there? I have been growing fond of one base color for mods and alphas. The aesthetic is just 👌.If enough people vote for dark grey mods kit then it would be possible. If enough express interest here then I will make a poll for them and if that gets enough votes then it could happen.
Unlikely yes, but not impossible. I love the Zhuyin but don't want to force it on the masses.Hey Ren. This is a long shot but here goes. Would you consider using the Zhuyin/ Alt Alphas in the main kit if the demand was there? I have been growing fond of one base color for mods and alphas. The aesthetic is just 👌.
Unlikely, but +1
Unlikely yes, but not impossible. I love the Zhuyin but don't want to force it on the masses.Hey Ren. This is a long shot but here goes. Would you consider using the Zhuyin/ Alt Alphas in the main kit if the demand was there? I have been growing fond of one base color for mods and alphas. The aesthetic is just 👌.
Unlikely, but +1
zhuyin alt is fantastic for offering both sublegends and mod colors. i wouldn't change a thing but a poll would definitely tell what people want. but i think the set would lose charm if it gets boiled down to all red on black.
I really want that unannounced 65% board with blockers cause that looks hecka fire! Is that your project Rensuya or will that be coming from a different designer (I imagine it is the latter)?Some changes are being made to it, but it's coming!
Wish that Zhuyin was in the main kit as well. :thumb:
Personally, I think the latin alphas should remain with the base kit.+1
Nonetheless, I would like to make a few comments. IMO, the alphas should be the same color as the mods. I feel the black/dark gray clashes with the rest of the set. Moreover, I believe the Zhuyin set should replace the base alphas.
Nonetheless, I would like to make a few comments. IMO, the alphas should be the same color as the mods. I feel the black/dark gray clashes with the rest of the set. Moreover, I believe the Zhuyin set should replace the base alphas.
+1
Be sure to vote in the polls~
Poll was closed because some people were confused by the wording. I believe Ren is going to be redoing it.Nonetheless, I would like to make a few comments. IMO, the alphas should be the same color as the mods. I feel the black/dark gray clashes with the rest of the set. Moreover, I believe the Zhuyin set should replace the base alphas.
+1
Be sure to vote in the polls~
It says the form is closed. Is this a mistake?
Poll was closed because some people were confused by the wording. I believe Ren is going to be redoing it.Nonetheless, I would like to make a few comments. IMO, the alphas should be the same color as the mods. I feel the black/dark gray clashes with the rest of the set. Moreover, I believe the Zhuyin set should replace the base alphas.
+1
Be sure to vote in the polls~
It says the form is closed. Is this a mistake?
I will second the notion that the alphas should match the mod color. I like the look of the Zhuyin kit, but don't really like the base as standalone.
I will second the notion that the alphas should match the mod color. I like the look of the Zhuyin kit, but don't really like the base as standalone.
Why does it say "western dragon" in Chinese? It does not make sense in so many different ways..
I know the theme is more towards the dragons, but prior to the IC I was really hoping to see some sort of fire nation balloon/warship novelties, and maybe a fire nation insignia incorporated, although I understand if some of those symbols would have to be licensed or if you just like the dragon theme more. That said, the IC looks really clean and I'll probably end up joining anyway, hoping for a RAMA cap since I missed out on Mizu's RAMA cap.
The war balloon may be a good idea for an ISO enter key.
I am sorry if someone already pointed out, but there is clearly some confusion about Eastern Dragon (=东方龍) vs. Western Dragon （=西方龍）,
Have to point this out because you wrote the 3 Chinese characters "西方龍" which means Western Dragon, but your dragon image is Eastern style.
Western dragon traditionally have two big wings, like that in the movie “The Hobbit”.
Eastern dragon is traditionally like that in your image (Enter key and desk mat), no big wing, long body with fours claws.
And, the English title is "Red Dragon" which means "红龍" in Chinese. Now it turns to talk about the color rather than Eastern or Western style, why?
Why write "西方龍" there at all? there are a lot of Chinese characters in this set, it looks to me very Eastern style.
Why not just write "红龍" if you really want to emphasize the color?
Anyway the current shape looks contradictory. But if you simply print "红龍" there, then there will be no confusion because Eastern style dragon can
be in red color, and all the images and Chinese characters won't cause conflict any more. My 2 cents.
This set is inspired by the fire nation from Avatar. The title of Iroh (an important fire nation character) is "The Dragon of the West." West in a fictional world with different continents is not going to be the same as West in real life.
I agree. But the nerd is screaming in me, Zuko does ride a dragon.Please don't start about the legend of Korra.
I agree. But the nerd is screaming in me, Zuko does ride a dragon.Please don't start about the legend of Korra.
What? Why? It's canon.
Besides, whether he specifically rides a dragon or not, dragons are the first firebenders. This is a fire nation-themed set. And I don't remember anyone complaining about the inclusion of Tui and La in GMK Mizu or the badger moles in GMK Terra.
Why does it say "western dragon" in Chinese? It does not make sense in so many different ways..
Also, there are already alternate alphas. The base kit alphas are black, while the alternate alphas are the same deep, dark red as the modifiers.
I do concur with a lot of the others where I wish the Zhuyin alphas would be the default, but I know you've already adressed it and understand where you're coming from. So I guess I'll just have to suck it up and buy the alt alphas as well. It's a beautiful set! I'm definitely in. :thumb:
I do concur with a lot of the others where I wish the Zhuyin alphas would be the default, but I know you've already adressed it and understand where you're coming from. So I guess I'll just have to suck it up and buy the alt alphas as well. It's a beautiful set! I'm definitely in. :thumb:
Wait where did he address it?
Will you consider adding modifiers kit that provide same background colors as the alphas?Are you meaning dark grey modifiers to match the alphas?
I think that's what they meant. Like an all-black base with red legends. Also, shameless plug:Hey Ren. This is a long shot but here goes. Would you consider using the Zhuyin/ Alt Alphas in the main kit if the demand was there? I have been growing fond of one base color for mods and alphas. The aesthetic is just 👌.If enough people vote for dark grey mods kit then it would be possible. If enough express interest here then I will make a poll for them and if that gets enough votes then it could happen.Unlikely yes, but not impossible. I love the Zhuyin but don't want to force it on the masses.Hey Ren. This is a long shot but here goes. Would you consider using the Zhuyin/ Alt Alphas in the main kit if the demand was there? I have been growing fond of one base color for mods and alphas. The aesthetic is just 👌.
Unlikely, but +1
It seemed to me that that was a no.
Color codes, please. =)+1
What are the color codes?
That's a lot of simultaneous ICs and GBs to manage. I'd be a bit concerned as to how one can manage this kind of pipeline.
1. [GB] GMK Peaches and Cream
2. [GB] GMK Terra
3. [GB] KAT Atlantis
4. [IC] KAT Goddess
5. [IC] KAT Explosion
6. [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R?
7. [IC] GMK Red Dragon
I understand having a lot of ideas and wanting them to be successfully produced as per the designer's preferences, but I am worried this is spreading way too thinly.
More importantly, it is a bit alarming to me that this may be an attempt to "claim" the spot to an idea (by having an IC thread in existence), or worse yet, in the queue of sets to be produced.
But with things being so busy for one person, I can't imagine these would all proceed well with no hiccups.
That's a lot of simultaneous ICs and GBs to manage. I'd be a bit concerned as to how one can manage this kind of pipeline.
1. [GB] GMK Peaches and Cream
2. [GB] GMK Terra
3. [GB] KAT Atlantis
4. [IC] KAT Goddess
5. [IC] KAT Explosion
6. [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R?
7. [IC] GMK Red Dragon
I understand having a lot of ideas and wanting them to be successfully produced as per the designer's preferences, but I am worried this is spreading way too thinly.
More importantly, it is a bit alarming to me that this may be an attempt to "claim" the spot to an idea (by having an IC thread in existence), or worse yet, in the queue of sets to be produced.
But with things being so busy for one person, I can't imagine these would all proceed well with no hiccups.
Just a few questions on this comment here - in what way does your comment above contribute to this IC? Has there been any issue with other sets he is running? If there hasn't been any, then I would say your comment is equivalent of saying "sorry Lightening you stream way too much and way too long, although I have not watched anything on your channel yet, but I just can't imagine someone streams too much would be fun to watch."
Pretty sad to see someone as influential as you being a bit unnecessarily toxic.
hello ren. i don't watch anime and know diddly squat about avatar, BUT, i'm a big fan of your work. i own mizu and waiting on terra. i think what made those sets unique and attractive even to people who don't care about anime is the basic formula that the sets followed, which was light color alphas with dark legends and dark mods with light color legends. the colors you used weren't too bright and very pleasing to look at.
you obviously don't have to agree with me, but i think that the fire nation set could look *approximately* like this:Show Image(https://i.ibb.co/8bcvBm9/render-3343.png)
i haven't played around with colors, so this is just to give you an idea of what i'm thinking about. is that something that makes sense to you? possibly have alternate alphas?
thanks.
That's a lot of simultaneous ICs and GBs to manage. I'd be a bit concerned as to how one can manage this kind of pipeline.
1. [GB] GMK Peaches and Cream
2. [GB] GMK Terra
3. [GB] KAT Atlantis
4. [IC] KAT Goddess
5. [IC] KAT Explosion
6. [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R?
7. [IC] GMK Red Dragon
I understand having a lot of ideas and wanting them to be successfully produced as per the designer's preferences, but I am worried this is spreading way too thinly.
More importantly, it is a bit alarming to me that this may be an attempt to "claim" the spot to an idea (by having an IC thread in existence), or worse yet, in the queue of sets to be produced.
But with things being so busy for one person, I can't imagine these would all proceed well with no hiccups.
Just a few questions on this comment here - in what way does your comment above contribute to this IC? Has there been any issue with other sets he is running? If there hasn't been any, then I would say your comment is equivalent of saying "sorry Lightening you stream way too much and way too long, although I have not watched anything on your channel yet, but I just can't imagine someone streams too much would be fun to watch."
Pretty sad to see someone as influential as you being a bit unnecessarily toxic.
Bringing up valid concerns about someone’s ability to manage multiple key sets by someone who also has experience running key sets, when the runner has demonstrated on the only two sets that have shipped that they struggle with color matching is far from being toxic. Why necro an old comment to make such an ignorant and poor argument. Mizu came out slightly over saturated vs renders. Peaches and cream came out enormously over saturated from renders. It’s a valid concern, and was phrased extremely diplomatically. If anyone was toxic, it was you.
That's a lot of simultaneous ICs and GBs to manage. I'd be a bit concerned as to how one can manage this kind of pipeline.
1. [GB] GMK Peaches and Cream
2. [GB] GMK Terra
3. [GB] KAT Atlantis
4. [IC] KAT Goddess
5. [IC] KAT Explosion
6. [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R?
7. [IC] GMK Red Dragon
I understand having a lot of ideas and wanting them to be successfully produced as per the designer's preferences, but I am worried this is spreading way too thinly.
More importantly, it is a bit alarming to me that this may be an attempt to "claim" the spot to an idea (by having an IC thread in existence), or worse yet, in the queue of sets to be produced.
But with things being so busy for one person, I can't imagine these would all proceed well with no hiccups.
Just a few questions on this comment here - in what way does your comment above contribute to this IC? Has there been any issue with other sets he is running? If there hasn't been any, then I would say your comment is equivalent of saying "sorry Lightening you stream way too much and way too long, although I have not watched anything on your channel yet, but I just can't imagine someone streams too much would be fun to watch."
Pretty sad to see someone as influential as you being a bit unnecessarily toxic.
Bringing up valid concerns about someone’s ability to manage multiple key sets by someone who also has experience running key sets, when the runner has demonstrated on the only two sets that have shipped that they struggle with color matching is far from being toxic. Why necro an old comment to make such an ignorant and poor argument. Mizu came out slightly over saturated vs renders. Peaches and cream came out enormously over saturated from renders. It’s a valid concern, and was phrased extremely diplomatically. If anyone was toxic, it was you.
Let's see what LighteningXI said in his comment:
1. There are multiple sets are being run by this runner;
2. The runner isn't serious about this set but rather he created this IC to "claim" this idea;
3. This set will not go well because of the workload.
My issue with his comment are:
1. Except for the point 1 above, the rest are all 100% based on his own speculations with zero reason or supporting evidence provided. For example, what has happened in the past that caused his concern about this runner's ability of running this IC? And if there has been issues in the past, why did they have to be related to workload? If you want to make accusations like this, I suggest you lay down your reasoning upfront. These can all be valuable information for the community members who are interested in this set.
2. The accusation of the runner created this IC simply wanted to "claim" his idea is the reason why I think his comment was toxic. It can be seen that there has been decent amount of effort went into the design of this set. I don't think it is fair to the runner that simply because he/she has a few sets on the go, so that anything comes later has to be rushed / with lower quality. There is simply no causal link between how many sets one is running and the quality of them. They are correlated, but there is no causal link unless proven if you know what I mean.
3. Unless there has been issues in the past specifically caused by the runner's inability to manage high workload, you can't just discredit others work by say "sorry you have too much on (based on MY standards) that you cannot succeed". That is just ridiculous. Just because LighteningXI cannot manage that many doesn't mean others can't. Also, people who run only 1 set at a time may also have 5 other jobs outside this hobby. Have you thought about that?
Regarding your comment:
1. Colour matching issues - like I said, LighteningXI did not mention any issues at all and went directly into making speculations / accusations. Also, why does the issue have to be due to workload? 8008 has crazy colour matching issue as well, was it because that runner had too many on the go as well?
2. "Necro and old comment" - his comment was just right below the original post. Everyone sees it and to me it was unfair to the runner so I wanted some clarifications. Is that really unacceptable? I can reply to any comment here, isn't that the whole purpose of this platform?
3. His comment was "diplomatic" - lmao if you call these accusations diplomatic then let's all spam it to all IC threads because who can prove themselves that they didn't create this IC trying to "claim" an idea anyway.
Wow, as someone who works on social issues. Claiming that putting chinese sublegends in a base kit is far from inappropriate cultural appropriation. Stop 'woke-posting' please. If a designer wants to but chinese sublegends in a kit based around a show that has deep rooted influence with Chinese culture, it's a far cry from using chinese characters as a tattoo. You do understand cultural appropriation is a neutral action right? It's context that gives it a position for positive or inappropriate usage.Won't reply after this but wanted to address your comments.
This claim is a bigger stretch then how thin Ren is stretched over these sets he's running.
Wow, as someone who works on social issues. Claiming that putting chinese sublegends in a base kit is far from inappropriate cultural appropriation. Stop 'woke-posting' please. If a designer wants to but chinese sublegends in a kit based around a show that has deep rooted influence with Chinese culture, it's a far cry from using chinese characters as a tattoo. You do understand cultural appropriation is a neutral action right? It's context that gives it a position for positive or inappropriate usage.Won't reply after this but wanted to address your comments.
This claim is a bigger stretch then how thin Ren is stretched over these sets he's running.
1. My previous message was entirely my opinion, feel free to disagree
2. I don't feel that strongly about the Zhuyin kit as base, I'm just saying it makes me uncomfortable as someone who knows the ATLA lore and the current situation of chinese culture but not gonna force my opinion down people's throat. Yes my wording could have been better but at least try to understand where I'm coming from if you're gonna have a go at me and ultimately we all want this set to be as good as possible
3. My opinion of chinese culture in the west is political and off topic so I understand why you're annoyed. But it's also an unpopular opinion guaranteed to generate more hate than understanding since, let's face it, nobody gives a **** about chinese culture. So my intentions wasn't to "woke post", but to inform people so that they consider this perspective when they make a decision since they're borrowing ideas from that culture, they can decide to ignore it if they want. My opinion is I'm still uncomfortable with forcing zhuyin in the base for a set originally inspired by japanese culture
4. I'm a supporter of freedom of expression and testing out new designs, which is why I'm interested in how the red on red for these keys will turn out. I also know it is entirely up to the designers to explore their ideas and our role as consumers and lurkers is to support their decision if we like it
5. However, I'm more passionate about ATLA than keycaps so your post has me pissed @Hugs94
6. ATLA travels across a world so of course they're gonna draw influence from multiple sources, but the fire nation is Japan and this kit is based on the fire nation. People have said this before in this thread, and the biggest giveaway is the sun warriors, Japan (日本) literally have the sun character in its name and its national flag is a sun! The earth kingdom is China, just look at their outfits and Long Feng with his shaved head. It's more broadly acceptable to mix these cultures in the west since they're both asian (so not as triggering as chinese character tattoos), but ye... You can make your own opinion
7. I reasoned why the design made me uncomfortable while giving the full context of why it made me feel this way in my previous post. The main problem I have with the current set up is consistency, feels like some of the novelties and original inspiration is separate to the rest of the design. Zuko and the fire nation are based on Japan, the blue spirit mask (which is in the novelties) is based on a traditional Japanese mask! Meanwhile the dragon, red and gold colours, and Zhuyin kit is very chinese. The merging of these 2 concepts, as well as including this set in the ATLA representative element series is what triggers me
8. Hugs94, you use the authority of "someone who works on social issues" but you don't read the context I wrote in my previous post even tho it explains why it can be interpreted as inappropriate. Where is the proper break down of my ideas and the additional insights from someone in your field instead of the dismissive attitude. Also as someone who relates to others on a regular basis, why the antagonising attitude instead of understanding the perspective of other people and why passionate ATLA fans feel the same way as myself, I'm not the first person to make these comments and I doubt I'll be the last. (Sorry I don't mean to attack you personally, but covid has made me sensitive towards info from authority...)
Ren, this isn't an attack on you or your work and I'm still interested in how this set turns out. Mizu and Terra are absolutely amazing imo and raised a high bar, which is why I'm sad about red dragon since the consistency of the underlying idea isn't quite there. I'm nitpicking at details, but it's accurate details that make nerds like myself appreciative of the efforts put in. Hope your sets go well.
Wow, as someone who works on social issues. Claiming that putting chinese sublegends in a base kit is far from inappropriate cultural appropriation. Stop 'woke-posting' please. If a designer wants to but chinese sublegends in a kit based around a show that has deep rooted influence with Chinese culture, it's a far cry from using chinese characters as a tattoo. You do understand cultural appropriation is a neutral action right? It's context that gives it a position for positive or inappropriate usage.Won't reply after this but wanted to address your comments.
This claim is a bigger stretch then how thin Ren is stretched over these sets he's running.
1. My previous message was entirely my opinion, feel free to disagree
2. I don't feel that strongly about the Zhuyin kit as base, I'm just saying it makes me uncomfortable as someone who knows the ATLA lore and the current situation of chinese culture but not gonna force my opinion down people's throat. Yes my wording could have been better but at least try to understand where I'm coming from if you're gonna have a go at me and ultimately we all want this set to be as good as possible
3. My opinion of chinese culture in the west is political and off topic so I understand why you're annoyed. But it's also an unpopular opinion guaranteed to generate more hate than understanding since, let's face it, nobody gives a **** about chinese culture. So my intentions wasn't to "woke post", but to inform people so that they consider this perspective when they make a decision since they're borrowing ideas from that culture, they can decide to ignore it if they want. My opinion is I'm still uncomfortable with forcing zhuyin in the base for a set originally inspired by japanese culture
4. I'm a supporter of freedom of expression and testing out new designs, which is why I'm interested in how the red on red for these keys will turn out. I also know it is entirely up to the designers to explore their ideas and our role as consumers and lurkers is to support their decision if we like it
5. However, I'm more passionate about ATLA than keycaps so your post has me pissed @Hugs94
6. ATLA travels across a world so of course they're gonna draw influence from multiple sources, but the fire nation is Japan and this kit is based on the fire nation. People have said this before in this thread, and the biggest giveaway is the sun warriors, Japan (日本) literally have the sun character in its name and its national flag is a sun! The earth kingdom is China, just look at their outfits and Long Feng with his shaved head. It's more broadly acceptable to mix these cultures in the west since they're both asian (so not as triggering as chinese character tattoos), but ye... You can make your own opinion
7. I reasoned why the design made me uncomfortable while giving the full context of why it made me feel this way in my previous post. The main problem I have with the current set up is consistency, feels like some of the novelties and original inspiration is separate to the rest of the design. Zuko and the fire nation are based on Japan, the blue spirit mask (which is in the novelties) is based on a traditional Japanese mask! Meanwhile the dragon, red and gold colours, and Zhuyin kit is very chinese. The merging of these 2 concepts, as well as including this set in the ATLA representative element series is what triggers me
8. Hugs94, you use the authority of "someone who works on social issues" but you don't read the context I wrote in my previous post even tho it explains why it can be interpreted as inappropriate. Where is the proper break down of my ideas and the additional insights from someone in your field instead of the dismissive attitude. Also as someone who relates to others on a regular basis, why the antagonising attitude instead of understanding the perspective of other people and why passionate ATLA fans feel the same way as myself, I'm not the first person to make these comments and I doubt I'll be the last. (Sorry I don't mean to attack you personally, but covid has made me sensitive towards info from authority...)
Ren, this isn't an attack on you or your work and I'm still interested in how this set turns out. Mizu and Terra are absolutely amazing imo and raised a high bar, which is why I'm sad about red dragon since the consistency of the underlying idea isn't quite there. I'm nitpicking at details, but it's accurate details that make nerds like myself appreciative of the efforts put in. Hope your sets go well.
Wow, as someone who works on social issues. Claiming that putting chinese sublegends in a base kit is far from inappropriate cultural appropriation. Stop 'woke-posting' please. If a designer wants to but chinese sublegends in a kit based around a show that has deep rooted influence with Chinese culture, it's a far cry from using chinese characters as a tattoo. You do understand cultural appropriation is a neutral action right? It's context that gives it a position for positive or inappropriate usage.Won't reply after this but wanted to address your comments.
This claim is a bigger stretch then how thin Ren is stretched over these sets he's running.
1. My previous message was entirely my opinion, feel free to disagree
2. I don't feel that strongly about the Zhuyin kit as base, I'm just saying it makes me uncomfortable as someone who knows the ATLA lore and the current situation of chinese culture but not gonna force my opinion down people's throat. Yes my wording could have been better but at least try to understand where I'm coming from if you're gonna have a go at me and ultimately we all want this set to be as good as possible
3. My opinion of chinese culture in the west is political and off topic so I understand why you're annoyed. But it's also an unpopular opinion guaranteed to generate more hate than understanding since, let's face it, nobody gives a **** about chinese culture. So my intentions wasn't to "woke post", but to inform people so that they consider this perspective when they make a decision since they're borrowing ideas from that culture, they can decide to ignore it if they want. My opinion is I'm still uncomfortable with forcing zhuyin in the base for a set originally inspired by japanese culture
4. I'm a supporter of freedom of expression and testing out new designs, which is why I'm interested in how the red on red for these keys will turn out. I also know it is entirely up to the designers to explore their ideas and our role as consumers and lurkers is to support their decision if we like it
5. However, I'm more passionate about ATLA than keycaps so your post has me pissed @Hugs94
6. ATLA travels across a world so of course they're gonna draw influence from multiple sources, but the fire nation is Japan and this kit is based on the fire nation. People have said this before in this thread, and the biggest giveaway is the sun warriors, Japan (日本) literally have the sun character in its name and its national flag is a sun! The earth kingdom is China, just look at their outfits and Long Feng with his shaved head. It's more broadly acceptable to mix these cultures in the west since they're both asian (so not as triggering as chinese character tattoos), but ye... You can make your own opinion
7. I reasoned why the design made me uncomfortable while giving the full context of why it made me feel this way in my previous post. The main problem I have with the current set up is consistency, feels like some of the novelties and original inspiration is separate to the rest of the design. Zuko and the fire nation are based on Japan, the blue spirit mask (which is in the novelties) is based on a traditional Japanese mask! Meanwhile the dragon, red and gold colours, and Zhuyin kit is very chinese. The merging of these 2 concepts, as well as including this set in the ATLA representative element series is what triggers me
8. Hugs94, you use the authority of "someone who works on social issues" but you don't read the context I wrote in my previous post even tho it explains why it can be interpreted as inappropriate. Where is the proper break down of my ideas and the additional insights from someone in your field instead of the dismissive attitude. Also as someone who relates to others on a regular basis, why the antagonising attitude instead of understanding the perspective of other people and why passionate ATLA fans feel the same way as myself, I'm not the first person to make these comments and I doubt I'll be the last. (Sorry I don't mean to attack you personally, but covid has made me sensitive towards info from authority...)
Ren, this isn't an attack on you or your work and I'm still interested in how this set turns out. Mizu and Terra are absolutely amazing imo and raised a high bar, which is why I'm sad about red dragon since the consistency of the underlying idea isn't quite there. I'm nitpicking at details, but it's accurate details that make nerds like myself appreciative of the efforts put in. Hope your sets go well.
Cmon man, you really not gonna do a googleWow, as someone who works on social issues. Claiming that putting chinese sublegends in a base kit is far from inappropriate cultural appropriation. Stop 'woke-posting' please. If a designer wants to but chinese sublegends in a kit based around a show that has deep rooted influence with Chinese culture, it's a far cry from using chinese characters as a tattoo. You do understand cultural appropriation is a neutral action right? It's context that gives it a position for positive or inappropriate usage.Won't reply after this but wanted to address your comments.
This claim is a bigger stretch then how thin Ren is stretched over these sets he's running.
1. My previous message was entirely my opinion, feel free to disagree
2. I don't feel that strongly about the Zhuyin kit as base, I'm just saying it makes me uncomfortable as someone who knows the ATLA lore and the current situation of chinese culture but not gonna force my opinion down people's throat. Yes my wording could have been better but at least try to understand where I'm coming from if you're gonna have a go at me and ultimately we all want this set to be as good as possible
3. My opinion of chinese culture in the west is political and off topic so I understand why you're annoyed. But it's also an unpopular opinion guaranteed to generate more hate than understanding since, let's face it, nobody gives a **** about chinese culture. So my intentions wasn't to "woke post", but to inform people so that they consider this perspective when they make a decision since they're borrowing ideas from that culture, they can decide to ignore it if they want. My opinion is I'm still uncomfortable with forcing zhuyin in the base for a set originally inspired by japanese culture
4. I'm a supporter of freedom of expression and testing out new designs, which is why I'm interested in how the red on red for these keys will turn out. I also know it is entirely up to the designers to explore their ideas and our role as consumers and lurkers is to support their decision if we like it
5. However, I'm more passionate about ATLA than keycaps so your post has me pissed @Hugs94
6. ATLA travels across a world so of course they're gonna draw influence from multiple sources, but the fire nation is Japan and this kit is based on the fire nation. People have said this before in this thread, and the biggest giveaway is the sun warriors, Japan (日本) literally have the sun character in its name and its national flag is a sun! The earth kingdom is China, just look at their outfits and Long Feng with his shaved head. It's more broadly acceptable to mix these cultures in the west since they're both asian (so not as triggering as chinese character tattoos), but ye... You can make your own opinion
7. I reasoned why the design made me uncomfortable while giving the full context of why it made me feel this way in my previous post. The main problem I have with the current set up is consistency, feels like some of the novelties and original inspiration is separate to the rest of the design. Zuko and the fire nation are based on Japan, the blue spirit mask (which is in the novelties) is based on a traditional Japanese mask! Meanwhile the dragon, red and gold colours, and Zhuyin kit is very chinese. The merging of these 2 concepts, as well as including this set in the ATLA representative element series is what triggers me
8. Hugs94, you use the authority of "someone who works on social issues" but you don't read the context I wrote in my previous post even tho it explains why it can be interpreted as inappropriate. Where is the proper break down of my ideas and the additional insights from someone in your field instead of the dismissive attitude. Also as someone who relates to others on a regular basis, why the antagonising attitude instead of understanding the perspective of other people and why passionate ATLA fans feel the same way as myself, I'm not the first person to make these comments and I doubt I'll be the last. (Sorry I don't mean to attack you personally, but covid has made me sensitive towards info from authority...)
Ren, this isn't an attack on you or your work and I'm still interested in how this set turns out. Mizu and Terra are absolutely amazing imo and raised a high bar, which is why I'm sad about red dragon since the consistency of the underlying idea isn't quite there. I'm nitpicking at details, but it's accurate details that make nerds like myself appreciative of the efforts put in. Hope your sets go well.
Wow, as someone who works on social issues. Claiming that putting chinese sublegends in a base kit is far from inappropriate cultural appropriation. Stop 'woke-posting' please. If a designer wants to but chinese sublegends in a kit based around a show that has deep rooted influence with Chinese culture, it's a far cry from using chinese characters as a tattoo. You do understand cultural appropriation is a neutral action right? It's context that gives it a position for positive or inappropriate usage.Won't reply after this but wanted to address your comments.
This claim is a bigger stretch then how thin Ren is stretched over these sets he's running.
1. My previous message was entirely my opinion, feel free to disagree
2. I don't feel that strongly about the Zhuyin kit as base, I'm just saying it makes me uncomfortable as someone who knows the ATLA lore and the current situation of chinese culture but not gonna force my opinion down people's throat. Yes my wording could have been better but at least try to understand where I'm coming from if you're gonna have a go at me and ultimately we all want this set to be as good as possible
3. My opinion of chinese culture in the west is political and off topic so I understand why you're annoyed. But it's also an unpopular opinion guaranteed to generate more hate than understanding since, let's face it, nobody gives a **** about chinese culture. So my intentions wasn't to "woke post", but to inform people so that they consider this perspective when they make a decision since they're borrowing ideas from that culture, they can decide to ignore it if they want. My opinion is I'm still uncomfortable with forcing zhuyin in the base for a set originally inspired by japanese culture
4. I'm a supporter of freedom of expression and testing out new designs, which is why I'm interested in how the red on red for these keys will turn out. I also know it is entirely up to the designers to explore their ideas and our role as consumers and lurkers is to support their decision if we like it
5. However, I'm more passionate about ATLA than keycaps so your post has me pissed @Hugs94
6. ATLA travels across a world so of course they're gonna draw influence from multiple sources, but the fire nation is Japan and this kit is based on the fire nation. People have said this before in this thread, and the biggest giveaway is the sun warriors, Japan (日本) literally have the sun character in its name and its national flag is a sun! The earth kingdom is China, just look at their outfits and Long Feng with his shaved head. It's more broadly acceptable to mix these cultures in the west since they're both asian (so not as triggering as chinese character tattoos), but ye... You can make your own opinion
7. I reasoned why the design made me uncomfortable while giving the full context of why it made me feel this way in my previous post. The main problem I have with the current set up is consistency, feels like some of the novelties and original inspiration is separate to the rest of the design. Zuko and the fire nation are based on Japan, the blue spirit mask (which is in the novelties) is based on a traditional Japanese mask! Meanwhile the dragon, red and gold colours, and Zhuyin kit is very chinese. The merging of these 2 concepts, as well as including this set in the ATLA representative element series is what triggers me
8. Hugs94, you use the authority of "someone who works on social issues" but you don't read the context I wrote in my previous post even tho it explains why it can be interpreted as inappropriate. Where is the proper break down of my ideas and the additional insights from someone in your field instead of the dismissive attitude. Also as someone who relates to others on a regular basis, why the antagonising attitude instead of understanding the perspective of other people and why passionate ATLA fans feel the same way as myself, I'm not the first person to make these comments and I doubt I'll be the last. (Sorry I don't mean to attack you personally, but covid has made me sensitive towards info from authority...)
Ren, this isn't an attack on you or your work and I'm still interested in how this set turns out. Mizu and Terra are absolutely amazing imo and raised a high bar, which is why I'm sad about red dragon since the consistency of the underlying idea isn't quite there. I'm nitpicking at details, but it's accurate details that make nerds like myself appreciative of the efforts put in. Hope your sets go well.
Fire Nation
The culture of the Fire Nation is primarily inspired by East, South, and Southeast Asia.
The topography of the Fire Nation draws most of its influence from Iceland, with photographs of the island being used directly in designing the geography of the nation.[28] In addition, the Fire Nation is located on a series of volcanic islands, similar to a number of real world locations, including Hawaii, Japan, and the Polynesian Islands.
The omnipresent red and gold motifs displayed in Fire Nation architecture and clothing are predominantly seen in traditional Chinese and Southeast Asian cultures.
The architecture of the Fire Nation draws influences on many cultures, but is predominantly similar to Chinese and Southeast Asian architecture.
The Fire Nation Royal Palace draws its influence from Ancient Egyptian and Chinese architecture. In addition, the royal garden is based on classical Chinese garden styles.
The Fire Nation Capital is greatly influenced by the imperial cities of the Han Dynasty, and to a lesser extent, is visually similar to the Forbidden City.
From the exterior, Ember Island architecture most closely resembles that of Southeast Asian resorts.
The more affluent Ember Island residences are adorned with paintings and vases similar to Chinese ones.
The architecture of the Bhanti resembles Southeast Asian architecture. In addition, the statue found in the Bhanti Village temple most closely resembles statues of Buddha in Thai interpretation.
The Fire Temple is nearly a direct replica of Chinese-style pagodas.
The military uniforms of the Fire Nation are clearly based on military uniforms of ancient Chinese militaries, as are many weapons.
Fire Nation attire often resembles Chinese Hanfu. Zuko is sometimes depicted wearing a shenyi.
In Fire Nation royal weddings, the bride has a hairdo similar to the ones worn by Korean Queens.
Fire Nation cuisine closely mirrors Szechuan cuisine.
In one scene, Zuko and Iroh are shown cutting off their top-knots to symbolize their separation from their family and their Nation, a practice that occurred in ancient East Asia.
The Agni Kai is a form of "honor duel" commonly seen in warrior societies in South Asia, particularly South India and Sri Lanka. It literally translates to 'Duel of Fire' or 'Fire Quarrel'.
The creators of Avatar have stated that it is the practice of the Fire Nation for potential rulers to have to "prove their worth" through difficult challenges. This is a practice in many warrior cultures.
Palanquins, used by Fire Nation Royal Family members, were also used in China by the upper classes. One particularly large and luxurious type of palanquin was reserved for the emperor.
Fire Nation propaganda justifying its imperialism is also similar to that of Japan's during World War II, as the Japanese Empire used an ideological construct, "Dai Toa Kyoeikan", meaning "The Great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere", to justify invading China and conquering the South Pacific, just as the Fire Nation has invaded the Earth Kingdom and Water Tribes.
The Fire Nation is the most industrialized nation in the Avatar world and relies heavily on coal, as did historical industrialized empires of the 19th and 20th centuries.
The Fire Nation has a strong military-industrial complex and a very nationalistic culture replete with propaganda and cult of personality to their ruler, the Fire Lord. The schoolbooks of Fire Nation children are censored to teach them misleading information about the war, similar to schoolbooks in post World War II Japan. These traits are also commonly found in communist countries, such as Maoist China and North Korea.
Sun Warriors
The Sun Warriors' compound includes buildings inspired by Hindu and Buddhist architecture. This architecture is found in Southeast Asian landmarks such as the Candi Sukuh, Angkor Wat, and Phanom Rung.
The Sun Warrior city itself is based on Mesopotamian Architecture, such as the Ziggaurats of Ur.[24]
The Sun Warriors' dress is reminiscent of traditional Southeast Asian warrior dress, particularly the headdresses which resemble Iban feather headdresses.
The Sun Warriors themselves share qualities with the Maya and Aztec cultures of Central America, who were particularly famous as sun-worshipers.
First of all, the Fire Nation is fictional. The culture takes inspiration from many places.Wow, as someone who works on social issues. Claiming that putting chinese sublegends in a base kit is far from inappropriate cultural appropriation. Stop 'woke-posting' please. If a designer wants to but chinese sublegends in a kit based around a show that has deep rooted influence with Chinese culture, it's a far cry from using chinese characters as a tattoo. You do understand cultural appropriation is a neutral action right? It's context that gives it a position for positive or inappropriate usage.6. ATLA travels across a world so of course they're gonna draw influence from multiple sources, but the fire nation is Japan and this kit is based on the fire nation. People have said this before in this thread, and the biggest giveaway is the sun warriors, Japan (日本) literally have the sun character in its name and its national flag is a sun! The earth kingdom is China, just look at their outfits and Long Feng with his shaved head. It's more broadly acceptable to mix these cultures in the west since they're both asian (so not as triggering as chinese character tattoos), but ye... You can make your own opinion
This claim is a bigger stretch then how thin Ren is stretched over these sets he's running.
Wow, as someone who works on social issues. Claiming that putting chinese sublegends in a base kit is far from inappropriate cultural appropriation. Stop 'woke-posting' please. If a designer wants to but chinese sublegends in a kit based around a show that has deep rooted influence with Chinese culture, it's a far cry from using chinese characters as a tattoo. You do understand cultural appropriation is a neutral action right? It's context that gives it a position for positive or inappropriate usage.Won't reply after this but wanted to address your comments.
This claim is a bigger stretch then how thin Ren is stretched over these sets he's running.
1. My previous message was entirely my opinion, feel free to disagree
2. I don't feel that strongly about the Zhuyin kit as base, I'm just saying it makes me uncomfortable as someone who knows the ATLA lore and the current situation of chinese culture but not gonna force my opinion down people's throat. Yes my wording could have been better but at least try to understand where I'm coming from if you're gonna have a go at me and ultimately we all want this set to be as good as possible
3. My opinion of chinese culture in the west is political and off topic so I understand why you're annoyed. But it's also an unpopular opinion guaranteed to generate more hate than understanding since, let's face it, nobody gives a **** about chinese culture. So my intentions wasn't to "woke post", but to inform people so that they consider this perspective when they make a decision since they're borrowing ideas from that culture, they can decide to ignore it if they want. My opinion is I'm still uncomfortable with forcing zhuyin in the base for a set originally inspired by japanese culture
4. I'm a supporter of freedom of expression and testing out new designs, which is why I'm interested in how the red on red for these keys will turn out. I also know it is entirely up to the designers to explore their ideas and our role as consumers and lurkers is to support their decision if we like it
5. However, I'm more passionate about ATLA than keycaps so your post has me pissed @Hugs94
6. ATLA travels across a world so of course they're gonna draw influence from multiple sources, but the fire nation is Japan and this kit is based on the fire nation. People have said this before in this thread, and the biggest giveaway is the sun warriors, Japan (日本) literally have the sun character in its name and its national flag is a sun! The earth kingdom is China, just look at their outfits and Long Feng with his shaved head. It's more broadly acceptable to mix these cultures in the west since they're both asian (so not as triggering as chinese character tattoos), but ye... You can make your own opinion
7. I reasoned why the design made me uncomfortable while giving the full context of why it made me feel this way in my previous post. The main problem I have with the current set up is consistency, feels like some of the novelties and original inspiration is separate to the rest of the design. Zuko and the fire nation are based on Japan, the blue spirit mask (which is in the novelties) is based on a traditional Japanese mask! Meanwhile the dragon, red and gold colours, and Zhuyin kit is very chinese. The merging of these 2 concepts, as well as including this set in the ATLA representative element series is what triggers me
8. Hugs94, you use the authority of "someone who works on social issues" but you don't read the context I wrote in my previous post even tho it explains why it can be interpreted as inappropriate. Where is the proper break down of my ideas and the additional insights from someone in your field instead of the dismissive attitude. Also as someone who relates to others on a regular basis, why the antagonising attitude instead of understanding the perspective of other people and why passionate ATLA fans feel the same way as myself, I'm not the first person to make these comments and I doubt I'll be the last. (Sorry I don't mean to attack you personally, but covid has made me sensitive towards info from authority...)
Ren, this isn't an attack on you or your work and I'm still interested in how this set turns out. Mizu and Terra are absolutely amazing imo and raised a high bar, which is why I'm sad about red dragon since the consistency of the underlying idea isn't quite there. I'm nitpicking at details, but it's accurate details that make nerds like myself appreciative of the efforts put in. Hope your sets go well.
Wow, as someone who works on social issues. Claiming that putting chinese sublegends in a base kit is far from inappropriate cultural appropriation. Stop 'woke-posting' please. If a designer wants to but chinese sublegends in a kit based around a show that has deep rooted influence with Chinese culture, it's a far cry from using chinese characters as a tattoo. You do understand cultural appropriation is a neutral action right? It's context that gives it a position for positive or inappropriate usage.Won't reply after this but wanted to address your comments.
This claim is a bigger stretch then how thin Ren is stretched over these sets he's running.
1. My previous message was entirely my opinion, feel free to disagree
2. I don't feel that strongly about the Zhuyin kit as base, I'm just saying it makes me uncomfortable as someone who knows the ATLA lore and the current situation of chinese culture but not gonna force my opinion down people's throat. Yes my wording could have been better but at least try to understand where I'm coming from if you're gonna have a go at me and ultimately we all want this set to be as good as possible
3. My opinion of chinese culture in the west is political and off topic so I understand why you're annoyed. But it's also an unpopular opinion guaranteed to generate more hate than understanding since, let's face it, nobody gives a **** about chinese culture. So my intentions wasn't to "woke post", but to inform people so that they consider this perspective when they make a decision since they're borrowing ideas from that culture, they can decide to ignore it if they want. My opinion is I'm still uncomfortable with forcing zhuyin in the base for a set originally inspired by japanese culture
4. I'm a supporter of freedom of expression and testing out new designs, which is why I'm interested in how the red on red for these keys will turn out. I also know it is entirely up to the designers to explore their ideas and our role as consumers and lurkers is to support their decision if we like it
5. However, I'm more passionate about ATLA than keycaps so your post has me pissed @Hugs94
6. ATLA travels across a world so of course they're gonna draw influence from multiple sources, but the fire nation is Japan and this kit is based on the fire nation. People have said this before in this thread, and the biggest giveaway is the sun warriors, Japan (日本) literally have the sun character in its name and its national flag is a sun! The earth kingdom is China, just look at their outfits and Long Feng with his shaved head. It's more broadly acceptable to mix these cultures in the west since they're both asian (so not as triggering as chinese character tattoos), but ye... You can make your own opinion
7. I reasoned why the design made me uncomfortable while giving the full context of why it made me feel this way in my previous post. The main problem I have with the current set up is consistency, feels like some of the novelties and original inspiration is separate to the rest of the design. Zuko and the fire nation are based on Japan, the blue spirit mask (which is in the novelties) is based on a traditional Japanese mask! Meanwhile the dragon, red and gold colours, and Zhuyin kit is very chinese. The merging of these 2 concepts, as well as including this set in the ATLA representative element series is what triggers me
8. Hugs94, you use the authority of "someone who works on social issues" but you don't read the context I wrote in my previous post even tho it explains why it can be interpreted as inappropriate. Where is the proper break down of my ideas and the additional insights from someone in your field instead of the dismissive attitude. Also as someone who relates to others on a regular basis, why the antagonising attitude instead of understanding the perspective of other people and why passionate ATLA fans feel the same way as myself, I'm not the first person to make these comments and I doubt I'll be the last. (Sorry I don't mean to attack you personally, but covid has made me sensitive towards info from authority...)
Ren, this isn't an attack on you or your work and I'm still interested in how this set turns out. Mizu and Terra are absolutely amazing imo and raised a high bar, which is why I'm sad about red dragon since the consistency of the underlying idea isn't quite there. I'm nitpicking at details, but it's accurate details that make nerds like myself appreciative of the efforts put in. Hope your sets go well.
PLEASE TAKE MY MONEY AND MAKE THIS A REALITY THIS HAS EVERYTHING I WANTED FROM MIZU
cant wait for the rama capsRAMA Keycaps are posted https://imgur.com/a/aZRXPSo (https://imgur.com/a/aZRXPSo)
btw what is the keyboard with trident symbol in those renders?
The RAMA caps look great. Just wanted to ask again can UK ISO be added at this stage?Sorry nothing else will be added for this run
The RAMA caps look great. Just wanted to ask again can UK ISO be added at this stage?Sorry nothing else will be added for this run
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