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Title: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: senter on Thu, 08 April 2021, 19:40:19
(https://i.imgur.com/N3Sktkn.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/hzNFT50.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Wb9r2Cm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Yf04kOb.jpg)
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About Leaf 65%

Leaf 65% is the third member of the Leaf series after Leaf 80 (2018) and Leaf 60 (2018).

New features:

Group Buy Information

1. How to order

Visit https://foxlab.store/products/leaf-65
The link will be available starting from 04-09-2021 at 9 PM ET.

2. What does a kit include?


3. Explanation of the options


Hot swappable version PCB layout:
(https://i.imgur.com/4qzWSBs.png)

Solderable version PCB layout:
(https://i.imgur.com/pMRrmaK.png)

4. What's the price?

The base price is $415 including transaction fees but excluding shipping.
Sorry, It is more expensive than Leaf 60 and Leaf 80 because the the USD to CNY exchange rate keeps dropping in the past year and the the material cost keeps increasing in the past year. $415 this year is $366 excluding the transaction fees in the last year if we exchange USD to CNY, and we do need to pay the factory in CNY.


5. Timeline and limits

The GB starts from 04-09-2021 at 9 PM ET.
It will open for 7 days unless the number of orders is getting too big. (edit: I'll be closing the GB early as the soft top limit has been reached -- Mon Apr 12 9:38 PM ET)
A soft top limit is 500 kits in total.
The expected lead time is expected to be 5 months.
This time we started a Chinese GB first. The manufacturing has been started for a while. For the international GB, we only need to add the new orders to the queue, so this GB should be smoother than before.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Fri, 09 April 2021, 18:58:28
GB starts now!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: c0d3r on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:02:28
I'm going to order the PC version, wondering what will be the color for FR4 regular plate?  brass plate should be golden, right?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: vtachkov on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:02:47
Love it Senter! Finally glad to see the 65% leaf.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: CookieFlow on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:05:28
Is it really not possible to get more than 1 extra plate?

I am curious about trying the skeleton one, but would also like an FR4 one.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:06:27
I'm going to order the PC version, wondering what will be the color for FR4 regular plate?  brass plate should be golden, right?
(https://i.imgur.com/bUUnwhK.jpg)

The PVD coating will be in silver.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Stompy on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:08:01
So to confirm (sorry), no iso plate for sale. Will have to sort myself from plate files?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:08:28
Love it Senter! Finally glad to see the 65% leaf.

Thank you for your support!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Gnarled on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:08:36
What's the default plate? How do we order more than one extra plate?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: DeadlyD on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:08:46
The plate, weight, and front leaf logo (for "with Front Logo" versions) can only be in the same color/material in the base kit. This sentence is quite confusing, would you please clarify? Your photos show the leaf logo(weight) has different color than the base.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: HaX on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:09:51
Is the upgrade to brass an additional kit or is this something that has to be selected when ordering brass for the leaf65?

Also, any pictures to see the WKL?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:10:09
Is it really not possible to get more than 1 extra plate?

I am curious about trying the skeleton one, but would also like an FR4 one.

You can order the skeleton one as the first one then one extra in FR4
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: greenteatimes on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:10:53
Is the PCB a custom PCB or is it a standard one?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Gnarled on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:11:28
What's the default plate? How do we order more than one extra plate?

Oh also is PC top alu bottom combo possible? Other GB's have stated that was an issue.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:11:45
What's the default plate? How do we order more than one extra plate?

One order can only include at most one extra plate for simplicity. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: prognostics on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:12:20
Really excited for this one. Going to think hard before placing my order. Currently thinking about top and bottom poly and mid brass.  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:12:40
So to confirm (sorry), no iso plate for sale. Will have to sort myself from plate files?

No ISO plate for sale, sorry.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Gnarled on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:14:12
What's the default plate? How do we order more than one extra plate?

One order can only include at most one extra plate for simplicity. Sorry for the inconvenience.

What's the default though? There's no option to select a plate besides the "addon" plate.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Auracity on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:15:38
What's the default plate? How do we order more than one extra plate?

One order can only include at most one extra plate for simplicity. Sorry for the inconvenience.

What's the default though? There's no option to select a plate besides the "addon" plate.

Alu plate in the colour of the logo
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:17:44
Is the upgrade to brass an additional kit or is this something that has to be selected when ordering brass for the leaf65?

Also, any pictures to see the WKL?

It's an upgrade so you only get the brass ones.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZjYtavg.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Gnarled on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:19:25
What's the default plate? How do we order more than one extra plate?

One order can only include at most one extra plate for simplicity. Sorry for the inconvenience.

What's the default though? There's no option to select a plate besides the "addon" plate.

Alu plate in the colour of the logo

Ah I wasn't understanding that option. So it's physically impossible to get the skeleton plate if you want FR4 and PVD accents. 😞
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: greenteatimes on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:26:12
Just got one! First board GB that I'm a part of. Really excited for this!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: c0d3r on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:29:37
Sorry,   for hot-swap pcb, are there any standoffs installed on the plates like Alu and Brass, or even FR4?   Also, What is color for the PVD brass middle frame?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Gnarled on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:40:50
Sorry,   for hot-swap pcb, are there any standoffs installed on the plates like Alu and Brass, or even FR4?   Also, What is color for the PVD brass middle frame?

If I'm understanding correctly, all the PVD for this GB is silver.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Fri, 09 April 2021, 19:49:10
Sorry,   for hot-swap pcb, are there any standoffs installed on the plates like Alu and Brass, or even FR4?   Also, What is color for the PVD brass middle frame?

There are no standoffs. If you commented it early in the IC, I may have added it. It is a little too late now.
Silver
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: DeadlyD on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:02:50
The plate, weight, and front leaf logo (for "with Front Logo" versions) can only be in the same color/material in the base kit. This sentence is quite confusing, would you please clarify? Your photos show the leaf logo(weight) has different color than the base.
some clarification?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: coconath on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:04:58
Just got this beautiful keyboard, but I just read the GH thread that the default plate is the skeleton one, i bought skeleton extra plate, cuz there is no such an information what the default plate would be on the website. Can you change it mine to FR4 plate please?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: eL Duderino on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:06:00
so just to confirm this colorway isn’t available.. https://i.imgur.com/bWRzG7t.png
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: c0d3r on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:06:29
There are no standoffs. If you commented it early in the IC, I may have added it. It is a little too late now.

oh, Thats unfortunately,   a small design flaw.  now I'm worry about how secure between the HS pcb and plate will be, would be any friction issue?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: srhdt on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:08:34
The plate, weight, and front leaf logo (for "with Front Logo" versions) can only be in the same color/material in the base kit. This sentence is quite confusing, would you please clarify? Your photos show the leaf logo(weight) has different color than the base.
some clarification?

Two different meanings of the word "base". I think he means "base kit" like the standard keyboard order. Basically, the leaf logo, weight, and aluminum plate all have to be the same color. However, you can choose a different color for the top, middle, and bottom of the keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: greenteatimes on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:09:45
The plate, weight, and front leaf logo (for "with Front Logo" versions) can only be in the same color/material in the base kit. This sentence is quite confusing, would you please clarify? Your photos show the leaf logo(weight) has different color than the base.
some clarification?

You can select a different colour for top/bottom/middle/plate+logo+weight! So you have to have the same colour of the plate, logo, and weight unless you buy an extra plate in a different colour from what I understand.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: CookieFlow on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:13:44
Just got this beautiful keyboard, but I just read the GH thread that the default plate is the skeleton one, i bought skeleton extra plate, cuz there is no such an information what the default plate would be. Can you change it to FR4 plate please?


The default plate is the skeleton one?
That would be very confusing and I would be in the same situation with 2 skeleton plates.

I thought default plate was a standard aluminium plate.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Gnarled on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:16:48
Just got this beautiful keyboard, but I just read the GH thread that the default plate is the skeleton one, i bought skeleton extra plate, cuz there is no such an information what the default plate would be. Can you change it to FR4 plate please?


The default plate is the skeleton one?
That would be very confusing and I would be in the same situation with 2 skeleton plates.

I thought default plate was a standard aluminium plate.

All the aluminum plates are skeleton plates, and whatever you chose for your logo/weight design is the color is the plate.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: CookieFlow on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:18:44
Just got this beautiful keyboard, but I just read the GH thread that the default plate is the skeleton one, i bought skeleton extra plate, cuz there is no such an information what the default plate would be. Can you change it to FR4 plate please?


The default plate is the skeleton one?
That would be very confusing and I would be in the same situation with 2 skeleton plates.

I thought default plate was a standard aluminium plate.

All the aluminum plates are skeleton plates, and whatever you chose for your logo/weight design is the color is the plate.


Well guess I will end up with 2 similar plates...

Taeha was sent a regular Aluminium plate, so I would have thought that was the default plate.
It just feels a bit strange to send him a plate that will not exist.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: srhdt on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:23:43
Just got this beautiful keyboard, but I just read the GH thread that the default plate is the skeleton one, i bought skeleton extra plate, cuz there is no such an information what the default plate would be. Can you change it to FR4 plate please?


The default plate is the skeleton one?
That would be very confusing and I would be in the same situation with 2 skeleton plates.

I thought default plate was a standard aluminium plate.

All the aluminum plates are skeleton plates, and whatever you chose for your logo/weight design is the color is the plate.


Well guess I will end up with 2 similar plates...

Taeha was sent a regular Aluminium plate, so I would have thought that was the default plate.

I agree that although the product page does say that all aluminum plates are skeleton, it doesn't say what type of plate the default is, which can be a little confusing. I only knew it would be skeleton as default because I read the IC thread, and senter said they would make the default a skeleton.

It might be a good idea for senter to edit the product page to make it obvious what kind of plate the default is since people seem to be getting confused about it.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Gnarled on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:24:59
Just got this beautiful keyboard, but I just read the GH thread that the default plate is the skeleton one, i bought skeleton extra plate, cuz there is no such an information what the default plate would be. Can you change it to FR4 plate please?


The default plate is the skeleton one?
That would be very confusing and I would be in the same situation with 2 skeleton plates.

I thought default plate was a standard aluminium plate.

All the aluminum plates are skeleton plates, and whatever you chose for your logo/weight design is the color is the plate.


Well guess I will end up with 2 similar plates...

Taeha was sent a regular Aluminium plate, so I would have thought that was the default plate.
It just feels a bit strange to send him a plate that will not exist.

So to my understanding, the skeleton plate was only added during the international GB. It didn't exist in the Chinese GB, and Taeha was sent a proto of options from that GB. 
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: CookieFlow on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:27:36
Just got this beautiful keyboard, but I just read the GH thread that the default plate is the skeleton one, i bought skeleton extra plate, cuz there is no such an information what the default plate would be. Can you change it to FR4 plate please?


The default plate is the skeleton one?
That would be very confusing and I would be in the same situation with 2 skeleton plates.

I thought default plate was a standard aluminium plate.

All the aluminum plates are skeleton plates, and whatever you chose for your logo/weight design is the color is the plate.


Well guess I will end up with 2 similar plates...

Taeha was sent a regular Aluminium plate, so I would have thought that was the default plate.
It just feels a bit strange to send him a plate that will not exist.

So to my understanding, the skeleton plate was only added during the international GB. It didn't exist in the Chinese GB, and Taeha was sent a proto of options from that GB.


Senter I hope you will allow us to change to a FR4 plate for us that ended up with 2 similar plate.
I think it was an honest mistake to think the base plate was a standard alumnium plate when we looked at Taeha stream of the Leaf 65% and that the skeleton was an different one.

And while I understand it says "The aluminum plates are all the skeleton version".
It also doesn't say what the default plate material is.

Hopefully you will allow us to change. Thanks  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: coconath on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:30:36
Just got this beautiful keyboard, but I just read the GH thread that the default plate is the skeleton one, i bought skeleton extra plate, cuz there is no such an information what the default plate would be. Can you change it to FR4 plate please?

The default plate is the skeleton one?
That would be very confusing and I would be in the same situation with 2 skeleton plates.

I thought default plate was a standard aluminium plate.

All the aluminum plates are skeleton plates, and whatever you chose for your logo/weight design is the color is the plate.


Well guess I will end up with 2 similar plates...

Taeha was sent a regular Aluminium plate, so I would have thought that was the default plate.
It just feels a bit strange to send him a plate that will not exist.

So to my understanding, the skeleton plate was only added during the international GB. It didn't exist in the Chinese GB, and Taeha was sent a proto of options from that GB.


Senter I hope you will allow us to change to a FR4 plate for us that ended up with 2 similar plate.
I think it was an honest mistake to think the base plate was a standard alumnium plate when we looked at Taeha stream of the Leaf 65% and that the skeleton was an different one.

Yes just this time senter, pls. Cuz on the website it just says "Switch mounting plate". And I end up got same material n color.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: idolindisguise on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:43:23
is this the dark green?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Jacki on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:45:09
Hello just a quick question.
so i ordered a Full PC case, with pink powder weight, front logo And plate as stated.
and ordered an Additional skeleton plate & PCB.
But it shows up as Additional regular plate.
and skeleton plate shows up as a PCB.
is that a mistake on my end or an error?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: koeploek on Fri, 09 April 2021, 20:58:06
Sorry for the stupid question. I'm kinda color-name-blind. Is my understanding correct?
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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: DaaDaa on Fri, 09 April 2021, 21:03:48
Sorry for the stupid question. I'm kinda color-name-blind. Is my understanding is correct?
(Attachment Link)

the leaf that you've labeled black, looks space cadet to me.
label e-white looks beige
label silver looks e-white
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Gnarled on Fri, 09 April 2021, 21:11:32
Sorry for the stupid question. I'm kinda color-name-blind. Is my understanding correct?
(Attachment Link)

You flipped silver and e-white. Otherwise, all good.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Altain on Fri, 09 April 2021, 21:16:44
Awesome! Just ordered a kit. A quick question, how do I review the options for my purchase after the payment has been done?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: srhdt on Fri, 09 April 2021, 21:28:31
Awesome! Just ordered a kit. A quick question, how do I review the options for my purchase after the payment has been done?

When you get the confirmation email from Fox Lab you can click on View Your Order and it shows all your options on the top-right.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: HaX on Fri, 09 April 2021, 21:30:23
Does additional pcb also come with extra daughter board?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: thanatic on Fri, 09 April 2021, 22:19:47
Only the Hotswap PCB has in per switch LED or Solderable PCB also has it as well?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: 8six753o9 on Fri, 09 April 2021, 22:30:36

Hi Senter,


Would it be possible to buy an extra log in different color?  I would love to do a 2-tone board like the lilac sample you had in the original post but the only way we can do that now is if we could buy another logo.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: bagelbyte on Fri, 09 April 2021, 22:53:49
Only the Hotswap PCB has in per switch LED or Solderable PCB also has it as well?

I'd like to know this as well. Do you have any pictures of the hot swap board?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: NixieTea on Fri, 09 April 2021, 23:25:55
I really wish there was a prototype of the logo polycarbonate version. I have no idea how the logo will look given you'll be able to see the whole square through the top case.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Gnarled on Fri, 09 April 2021, 23:49:48
I really wish there was a prototype of the logo polycarbonate version. I have no idea how the logo will look given you'll be able to see the whole square through the top case.

(https://img.zfrontier.com/post/20201120/ltx8wi5-UmbnfnXLgODk9lbllzzi?imageView2/0/w/3000/q/85!)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: mcheddadi on Fri, 09 April 2021, 23:56:14
(https://img.zfrontier.com/post/20201120/lrGXCbVjA5RTYZWqFzcFwp9jYip8)

I think this is the Silver PVD coated BRASS
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Clone6001 on Sat, 10 April 2021, 00:04:44
Hello just a quick question.
so i ordered a Full PC case, with pink powder weight, front logo And plate as stated.
and ordered an Additional skeleton plate & PCB.
But it shows up as Additional regular plate.
and skeleton plate shows up as a PCB.
is that a mistake on my end or an error?
For my order it also says additional pcb for my additional plate. I'm guessing it's just a mistake on their end.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Tiff0 on Sat, 10 April 2021, 00:56:08
Joined 🙂🙂🙂

So excited!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: abellp327 on Sat, 10 April 2021, 01:05:34
Any sound clips for PC version? Also what's the current weight for PC vs Alu with weight? (exclude the brass)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: peaceperfection on Sat, 10 April 2021, 01:32:01
I've purchased mine, but I'm curious as to what is the default plate? Because I chose my extra to be FR4 thinking that my default plate will be a skeleton plate?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: DeMechanica on Sat, 10 April 2021, 01:37:58
What are the solderable PCB layouts? I can’t see them listed anywhere. Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: silentHacker on Sat, 10 April 2021, 01:52:34
That looks great!

Can you share the mechanical dimensions please? E.g. size, height, angle, etc.?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: lz2019 on Sat, 10 April 2021, 02:06:14
I have jumped in ;) 

One question:
If I remember it right, the solder PCB would support split Space, but both the default skeleton alu plate and the regular plate seem not supporting it. Is the feature removed?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Koji048 on Sat, 10 April 2021, 03:44:16
A little bit confused about the color.

The color of the beige in the Geekhack post and from the fox labs store is totally different.
Wondering which one is close to the real color.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: deedz on Sat, 10 April 2021, 04:46:26
That looks great!

Can you share the mechanical dimensions please? E.g. size, height, angle, etc.?

Agreed!

Went in on this but I’m sure many of us are wondering the typing angle, weight of the board and front height!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Convergence on Sat, 10 April 2021, 05:27:48
Is the wonderful Lilac colour from the IC not an option? Unfortunate.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Stompy on Sat, 10 April 2021, 05:39:17
Okay. I’ve just bought it. But would appreciate the plate files for iso as soon as possible please.

Any guidance in ordering plates would be appreciated too thanks, not had to buy my own plates before.

I’m in the uk but would happily ship from wherever necessary. Would want aluminium, fr4, carbon fibre maybe too. I wouldn’t know where to begin looking online for a small custom order for this sort of thing? I tried a quick search but wouldn’t know whats good or not? Sorry and thanks in advance for any help.

Unless you have any iso prototypes that you would be willing to sell to me?

Other than that, great looking board, can’t wait!

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: uby on Sat, 10 April 2021, 05:51:41
Does anyone know what's the hotswap pcb layout? I can't find it anywhere.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Stompy on Sat, 10 April 2021, 06:43:43
Does anyone know what's the hotswap pcb layout? I can't find it anywhere.

I remember reading somewhere that hotswap is ansi, and solder supports *multiple layouts*. Pausing Taeha’s stream showed iso support and split left shift. Can’t remember if split backspace? No split space.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: L4ll1g470r on Sat, 10 April 2021, 10:04:40
Okay. I’ve just bought it. But would appreciate the plate files for iso as soon as possible please.

Any guidance in ordering plates would be appreciated too thanks, not had to buy my own plates before.

I’m in the uk but would happily ship from wherever necessary. Would want aluminium, fr4, carbon fibre maybe too. I wouldn’t know where to begin looking online for a small custom order for this sort of thing? I tried a quick search but wouldn’t know whats good or not? Sorry and thanks in advance for any help.

Unless you have any iso prototypes that you would be willing to sell to me?

Other than that, great looking board, can’t wait!
I’ve understood that most of our fellow Europeans (I’m still counting you in) are using Laserboost for plates. Aluminium and brass thy can get you, don’t know about th others.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: mariachiforhire on Sat, 10 April 2021, 10:12:10
Is there a way to  see what the colors look like? I was excited for the GB but the lack of oversight and knowing what color is which makes it confusing.

At least tell us what would be the color schemes for the prototypes posted here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111364.0
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: JadeRegalia on Sat, 10 April 2021, 11:04:05
If I want to use this board with ALPS switches, do any of the plates have ALPS stabilizer support? What's the expectation here to deal with longer ALPS keys?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: NixieTea on Sat, 10 April 2021, 11:09:25
I really wish there was a prototype of the logo polycarbonate version. I have no idea how the logo will look given you'll be able to see the whole square through the top case.

Show Image
(https://img.zfrontier.com/post/20201120/ltx8wi5-UmbnfnXLgODk9lbllzzi?imageView2/0/w/3000/q/85!)


Hmm, this image isn't loading for me.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Stompy on Sat, 10 April 2021, 11:34:34
Okay. I’ve just bought it. But would appreciate the plate files for iso as soon as possible please.

Any guidance in ordering plates would be appreciated too thanks, not had to buy my own plates before.

I’m in the uk but would happily ship from wherever necessary. Would want aluminium, fr4, carbon fibre maybe too. I wouldn’t know where to begin looking online for a small custom order for this sort of thing? I tried a quick search but wouldn’t know whats good or not? Sorry and thanks in advance for any help.

Unless you have any iso prototypes that you would be willing to sell to me?

Other than that, great looking board, can’t wait!
I’ve understood that most of our fellow Europeans (I’m still counting you in) are using Laserboost for plates. Aluminium and brass thy can get you, don’t know about th others.

Ideal, thanks. Will look into it
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: HappyB0T on Sat, 10 April 2021, 12:38:21
Interested in picking this up but not sure what color is what. Since we can't change our orders after the fact it would be really nice to have clarification here.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: bukowski on Sat, 10 April 2021, 12:53:45
Confusing order form but I bought one. Lets see how the final product will look like.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: srhdt on Sat, 10 April 2021, 13:16:44
Hello just a quick question.
so i ordered a Full PC case, with pink powder weight, front logo And plate as stated.
and ordered an Additional skeleton plate & PCB.
But it shows up as Additional regular plate.
and skeleton plate shows up as a PCB.
is that a mistake on my end or an error?

I think there might have been an error in your order. I ordered mine with an extra PCB and an extra plate, and mine was $45 less than yours. It looks like you got charged for 2 extra PCBs for some reason.

Edit: I'm referring to the order picture in your post, which didn't get quoted.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 13:20:51
Does additional pcb also come with extra daughter board?

Yes
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 13:24:06

Hi Senter,


Would it be possible to buy an extra log in different color?  I would love to do a 2-tone board like the lilac sample you had in the original post but the only way we can do that now is if we could buy another logo.

I may be able to sell extra logos after GB orders are all delivered.
For the current group buy, I can't open this option.
Although there are some limits, the options provided in this GB is already much more than most others provide. Handling so many options is an extremely challenging task because many things can go wrong. I won't risk on making anything more flexible in case I mess up something or make the lead time even longer.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 13:25:16
Only the Hotswap PCB has in per switch LED or Solderable PCB also has it as well?

I'd like to know this as well. Do you have any pictures of the hot swap board?

solderable PCBs do not come with LEDs
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Lizcuits on Sat, 10 April 2021, 13:35:23
Please consolidate all of your group buy information onto this page and the product page. This is an extremely difficult group buy to navigate and a lot of the information is unclear as it's presented currently. It's honestly so bad I wouldn't be upset if you refunded everyone who purchased so far and restart the GB when you get everything set up better.

It's currently impossible to be certain of what color is which, there's very little information for what you're actually getting (as you can see by almost every comment on this thread so far), and finding proto pictures (that should be on this page and the product page) is split across looking at the zfrontier page (not linked here) and the IC thread (also not linked here).

There is no clear photograph or render of the front of the keyboard on the GB thread or the Product page. The only one is from a low angle and it doesn't show the badge (no info on the badge whatsoever in that case without digging through other sources).

There is no information on the layout of the PCB, for either the solderable layout or the hotswap layout.

The products provided to streamers are not the same as what you get by default, which is confusing to some.

edit: I also just noticed all of the examples of the polycarb builds are built without a PCB so the underside appearance is misrepresented. I have no idea why this was done this way, unless the PC just looks really bad with the PCB installed? These protos are also built with plates that aren't offered (it appears to be some sort of a sandblasted pink aluminum and brass plate? Not the "skeleton plate" that is unclearly offered as a default)
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All this on top of the "Don't even bother asking me to change your order, it will be ignored" is really just not a good look. Seriously consider fixing up your thead and website and letting everyone start over or offer the ability to change orders. This is one of the worst laid out group buys I've ever seen, which is kind of shocking coming from Fox Lab.


This board is gorgeous and people are going to love it, please don't ruin your group buy by making it vague and frustrating to navigate and then offering no support to remedy it.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: prangano on Sat, 10 April 2021, 14:02:56
Can you post hotswap layout and solderable possible layouts diagrams?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: gleneston on Sat, 10 April 2021, 16:12:11
I'd love to pick up this board. Very little to go off of during the ordering process, there should really be more information / pictures.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: NixieTea on Sat, 10 April 2021, 16:39:44
Please consolidate all of your group buy information onto this page and the product page. This is an extremely difficult group buy to navigate and a lot of the information is unclear as it's presented currently. It's honestly so bad I wouldn't be upset if you refunded everyone who purchased so far and restart the GB when you get everything set up better.

It's currently impossible to be certain of what color is which, there's very little information for what you're actually getting (as you can see by almost every comment on this thread so far), and finding proto pictures (that should be on this page and the product page) is split across looking at the zfrontier page (not linked here) and the IC thread (also not linked here).

There is no clear photograph or render of the front of the keyboard on the GB thread or the Product page. The only one is from a low angle and it doesn't show the badge (no info on the badge whatsoever in that case without digging through other sources).

There is no information on the layout of the PCB, for either the solderable layout or the hotswap layout.

The products provided to streamers are not the same as what you get by default, which is confusing to some.

edit: I also just noticed all of the examples of the polycarb builds are built without a PCB so the underside appearance is misrepresented. I have no idea why this was done this way, unless the PC just looks really bad with the PCB installed? These protos are also built with plates that aren't offered (it appears to be some sort of a sandblasted pink aluminum and brass plate? Not the "skeleton plate" that is unclearly offered as a default)
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All this on top of the "Don't even bother asking me to change your order, it will be ignored" is really just not a good look. Seriously consider fixing up your thead and website and letting everyone start over or offer the ability to change orders. This is one of the worst laid out group buys I've ever seen, which is kind of shocking coming from Fox Lab.


This board is gorgeous and people are going to love it, please don't ruin your group buy by making it vague and frustrating to navigate and then offering no support to remedy it.

Hard agree. I was originally going to join this GB, but I literally have no idea how the PC board with a logo will look, especially with the pcb not being installed. Kinda hard to justify $600 on a brass upgraded version when I have no idea if it will even look decent. I like Senter's boards. I used to have a Leaf 60, but the information being split across the product page, this thread, the IC thread, and that one zfrontier link makes my head spin. I'd rather just save up for a GB where I generally know what I'm getting before I buy.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Liub on Sat, 10 April 2021, 17:08:25
Please consolidate all of your group buy information onto this page and the product page. This is an extremely difficult group buy to navigate and a lot of the information is unclear as it's presented currently. It's honestly so bad I wouldn't be upset if you refunded everyone who purchased so far and restart the GB when you get everything set up better.

It's currently impossible to be certain of what color is which, there's very little information for what you're actually getting (as you can see by almost every comment on this thread so far), and finding proto pictures (that should be on this page and the product page) is split across looking at the zfrontier page (not linked here) and the IC thread (also not linked here).

There is no clear photograph or render of the front of the keyboard on the GB thread or the Product page. The only one is from a low angle and it doesn't show the badge (no info on the badge whatsoever in that case without digging through other sources).

There is no information on the layout of the PCB, for either the solderable layout or the hotswap layout.

The products provided to streamers are not the same as what you get by default, which is confusing to some.

edit: I also just noticed all of the examples of the polycarb builds are built without a PCB so the underside appearance is misrepresented. I have no idea why this was done this way, unless the PC just looks really bad with the PCB installed? These protos are also built with plates that aren't offered (it appears to be some sort of a sandblasted pink aluminum and brass plate? Not the "skeleton plate" that is unclearly offered as a default)
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All this on top of the "Don't even bother asking me to change your order, it will be ignored" is really just not a good look. Seriously consider fixing up your thead and website and letting everyone start over or offer the ability to change orders. This is one of the worst laid out group buys I've ever seen, which is kind of shocking coming from Fox Lab.


This board is gorgeous and people are going to love it, please don't ruin your group buy by making it vague and frustrating to navigate and then offering no support to remedy it.

Hard agree. I was originally going to join this GB, but I literally have no idea how the PC board with a logo will look, especially with the pcb not being installed. Kinda hard to justify $600 on a brass upgraded version when I have no idea if it will even look decent. I like Senter's boards. I used to have a Leaf 60, but the information being split across the product page, this thread, the IC thread, and that one zfrontier link makes my head spin. I'd rather just save up for a GB where I generally know what I'm getting before I buy.

Exactly the same thought as you two, will give this a pass. I'm sure it'll sell like hotcakes anyway though.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: slg1993 on Sat, 10 April 2021, 17:19:36
Please consolidate all of your group buy information onto this page and the product page. This is an extremely difficult group buy to navigate and a lot of the information is unclear as it's presented currently. It's honestly so bad I wouldn't be upset if you refunded everyone who purchased so far and restart the GB when you get everything set up better.

It's currently impossible to be certain of what color is which, there's very little information for what you're actually getting (as you can see by almost every comment on this thread so far), and finding proto pictures (that should be on this page and the product page) is split across looking at the zfrontier page (not linked here) and the IC thread (also not linked here).

There is no clear photograph or render of the front of the keyboard on the GB thread or the Product page. The only one is from a low angle and it doesn't show the badge (no info on the badge whatsoever in that case without digging through other sources).

There is no information on the layout of the PCB, for either the solderable layout or the hotswap layout.

The products provided to streamers are not the same as what you get by default, which is confusing to some.

edit: I also just noticed all of the examples of the polycarb builds are built without a PCB so the underside appearance is misrepresented. I have no idea why this was done this way, unless the PC just looks really bad with the PCB installed? These protos are also built with plates that aren't offered (it appears to be some sort of a sandblasted pink aluminum and brass plate? Not the "skeleton plate" that is unclearly offered as a default)
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(https://img.zfrontier.com/post/20201228/lkKEs_TBdX9TBUUZWrjCgdzja1EH?imageView2/2/format/webp/w/1400/q/85!)


All this on top of the "Don't even bother asking me to change your order, it will be ignored" is really just not a good look. Seriously consider fixing up your thead and website and letting everyone start over or offer the ability to change orders. This is one of the worst laid out group buys I've ever seen, which is kind of shocking coming from Fox Lab.


This board is gorgeous and people are going to love it, please don't ruin your group buy by making it vague and frustrating to navigate and then offering no support to remedy it.

I agree with all this even though I literally put my order in already anyways!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Mwilli22 on Sat, 10 April 2021, 17:41:15
Hello!  I just bought one of these. First GB and really first kit I’ll need to assemble. In preparation for this, does the hotswap PCB support screw in stabilizers or will I need to get some plate mounted ones?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Brit on Sat, 10 April 2021, 18:01:14
Please consolidate all of your group buy information onto this page and the product page. This is an extremely difficult group buy to navigate and a lot of the information is unclear as it's presented currently. It's honestly so bad I wouldn't be upset if you refunded everyone who purchased so far and restart the GB when you get everything set up better.

It's currently impossible to be certain of what color is which, there's very little information for what you're actually getting (as you can see by almost every comment on this thread so far), and finding proto pictures (that should be on this page and the product page) is split across looking at the zfrontier page (not linked here) and the IC thread (also not linked here).

There is no clear photograph or render of the front of the keyboard on the GB thread or the Product page. The only one is from a low angle and it doesn't show the badge (no info on the badge whatsoever in that case without digging through other sources).

There is no information on the layout of the PCB, for either the solderable layout or the hotswap layout.

The products provided to streamers are not the same as what you get by default, which is confusing to some.

edit: I also just noticed all of the examples of the polycarb builds are built without a PCB so the underside appearance is misrepresented. I have no idea why this was done this way, unless the PC just looks really bad with the PCB installed? These protos are also built with plates that aren't offered (it appears to be some sort of a sandblasted pink aluminum and brass plate? Not the "skeleton plate" that is unclearly offered as a default)
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(https://img.zfrontier.com/post/20201228/FodUo_s2tZwxNBQVrzhVJGU540eQ?imageView2/2/format/webp/w/1400/q/85!)
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(https://img.zfrontier.com/post/20201228/lkKEs_TBdX9TBUUZWrjCgdzja1EH?imageView2/2/format/webp/w/1400/q/85!)


All this on top of the "Don't even bother asking me to change your order, it will be ignored" is really just not a good look. Seriously consider fixing up your thead and website and letting everyone start over or offer the ability to change orders. This is one of the worst laid out group buys I've ever seen, which is kind of shocking coming from Fox Lab.


This board is gorgeous and people are going to love it, please don't ruin your group buy by making it vague and frustrating to navigate and then offering no support to remedy it.

I agree with all this even though I literally put my order in already anyways!

I agree with everyone as well. I still bought the board, but it felt like I had to do a lot of deciphering on the store page to figure out how to order the right parts. Given that this board has so many components you can mix and match with, I think that you need detailed explanations of everything to avoid confusion. Still a beautiful board though!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: meenacraft on Sat, 10 April 2021, 18:05:37
I also agree with Lizcults, I've been looking forward to this GB for months, and I don't understand why things have been so all over the place. There should be atleast a render for each customizable piece of the board in the colors offered. Makes no sense why someone else in the IC thread had to go to Zfrontier to find pictures of the cases. Also, it really really does not make sense as to WHY the skeleton plate was made the default choice, when none of the streamers you sent it to had it to test out, and there are no sound tests or reviews on its performance. I get wanting to think outside the box and innovate, but this is an expensive board, I feel like more planning should have been involved before making such a drastic change to the kb.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: mvkoto on Sat, 10 April 2021, 18:56:06
I also agree with Lizcults, I've been looking forward to this GB for months, and I don't understand why things have been so all over the place. There should be atleast a render for each customizable piece of the board in the colors offered. Makes no sense why someone else in the IC thread had to go to Zfrontier to find pictures of the cases. Also, it really really does not make sense as to WHY the skeleton plate was made the default choice, when none of the streamers you sent it to had it to test out, and there are no sound tests or reviews on its performance. I get wanting to think outside the box and innovate, but this is an expensive board, I feel like more planning should have been involved before making such a drastic change to the kb.

It all seems like an afterthought. Especially since OP wrote this:

"This time we started a Chinese GB first. The manufacturing has been started for a while. For the international GB, we only need to add the new orders to the queue, so this GB should be smoother than before."
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: slg1993 on Sat, 10 April 2021, 19:12:29
It all seems like an afterthought. Especially since OP wrote this:

"This time we started a Chinese GB first. The manufacturing has been started for a while. For the international GB, we only need to add the new orders to the queue, so this GB should be smoother than before."

yeah not to speak too much out of ignorance, but I wonder if the fact that it has been going on already for a while forced the deadline up to the point where the international GB had to be started right away; maybe another week or two of prep would've helped but wasn't possible

either way I don't want to be too negative, the board looks beautiful and even though I didn't have exact renders for what I ordered I am still pretty confident in my color choice (e-white top and bottom with dark green middle and plate/badge/weight)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: c0d3r on Sat, 10 April 2021, 19:17:43
Plate mount stabs or PCB  mount stabs?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: thanatic on Sat, 10 April 2021, 19:32:48
Only the Hotswap PCB has in per switch LED or Solderable PCB also has it as well?

I'd like to know this as well. Do you have any pictures of the hot swap board?

solderable PCBs do not come with LEDs

Thank you for the info I needed. Purchased. :)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: srhdt on Sat, 10 April 2021, 19:39:33
Plate mount stabs or PCB  mount stabs?

Not sure if it's changed but on the prototype build streams it was PCB screw-in stabs.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: c0d3r on Sat, 10 April 2021, 19:42:10
Ah,  Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 10 April 2021, 19:58:05

Hi Senter,


Would it be possible to buy an extra log in different color?  I would love to do a 2-tone board like the lilac sample you had in the original post but the only way we can do that now is if we could buy another logo.

I may be able to sell extra logos after GB orders are all delivered.
For the current group buy, I can't open this option.
Although there are some limits, the options provided in this GB is already much more than most others provide. Handling so many options is an extremely challenging task because many things can go wrong. I won't risk on making anything more flexible in case I mess up something or make the lead time even longer.

I really hope that you will be able to offer different parts like weights, logo, plates and maybe even things like middle frames as extra after the GB is delivered.

I understand that during the GB all the options make it very complicated to process for you if you allow us to purchase extra parts.
But I feel one of the coolest thing about this board is how you can customize it, but since we can't purchase additional parts that aspect isn't as varied as it could be.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: tsolin01 on Sat, 10 April 2021, 20:30:41
I feel contrary to the other posters above and think the information on this page and the site page all explain everything clearly enough for me to understand what each option means. If this was your first custom then maybe I could understand certain things are confusing but the fact that all options are on ONE product instead of adding separate products to the cart makes it very simple. The colors are mostly self explanatory and the images on the product page and site / examples show a good range of possibilities. It's missing a picture view of the layout options but explains things enough for me to know that the layout I want is supported. I think it'll be hard to handhold the lowest common denominator in this case but Senter's done a decent job at it.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: gleneston on Sat, 10 April 2021, 20:51:01
at least include some higher resolution pictures.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Lizcuits on Sat, 10 April 2021, 20:59:44
I feel contrary to the other posters above and think the information on this page and the site page all explain everything clearly enough for me to understand what each option means. If this was your first custom then maybe I could understand certain things are confusing but the fact that all options are on ONE product instead of adding separate products to the cart makes it very simple. The colors are mostly self explanatory and the images on the product page and site / examples show a good range of possibilities. It's missing a picture view of the layout options but explains things enough for me to know that the layout I want is supported. I think it'll be hard to handhold the lowest common denominator in this case but Senter's done a decent job at it.

The page has since been updated to include one more image of the top of the boards and to include color labels, as well as noting that the hotswap layout is fixed 7u. IMO that's still not enough of the concerns I had addressed, hopefully more changes are made to make the process less confusing.

It's not that it's impossible to figure out, it's that the buying process shouldn't be difficult for the buyer,  and the vendor should never discourage buyers from requesting changes to their order (especially when those changes are caused by the GB being vague and difficult to navigate).

The fact that nearly every comment on this thread to this point has been a question asking for very basic information that should've been provided by default (layouts, typing angle, color examples, proto pics...) is telling enough that this simply was not organized well and that buyers of a $450-700 purchase deserve better than "if you got confused, too bad, I'm going to ignore you."
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Chronicle on Sat, 10 April 2021, 21:34:47
Where can I find renders of the case colors "Light Green Anodizing" and "Red Anodizing"? There should be pictures available for each customizable option (such as close ups for the front logo for each color) to make selections easier, especially if you're expecting people to "take your time and make the decisions carefully"?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: mariachiforhire on Sat, 10 April 2021, 21:44:39
This group buy is a mess. Reddit is also posting the same issue: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechGroupBuys/comments/mnwt9v/gb_leaf65_april_9_april_16_2021/

Consider addressing everyone's issue and restarting the group buy, it's a lovely design.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: SpaceCowboy on Sat, 10 April 2021, 21:47:35
idk if PVD brass upgrade prices are fair, but man, an additional $99, plus an extra $92 for brass middle-plate makes the board over $600... that's just too steep for me, not to mention I'd have prefered the usual brass/gold color.. 
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Sunra on Sat, 10 April 2021, 21:49:12
Made an account just to comment on this as I'm relatively new to the hobby and was very excited to see this product come up, only to be heavily discouraged by the many issues people have brought up in the thread already. I found the product page very confusing and as such realized that I made a mistake on my order after submitting it. I didn't realize how the middle plate would accent the overall look of the board until looking up a video of a streamer who received a board and as such realized I didn't choose the right color that I wanted. You can argue if you want that this is my fault for not researching it enough, but given the confusing information and lack of pictures on the product page I feel like this may be a common mistake. Despite the fact that the seller apparently doesn't want to provide the most basic customer support in regards to changing order specs, I e-mailed FoxLabs anyway requesting they do so, and if they were unwilling to, to cancel my order so I could resubmit a corrected version. I understood that they said they would charge a cancellation fee and that they would ignore any requests for order changes, but I figured I'd try anyway. They did indeed cancel my order and refunded all but $5, but gave no explanation as to why they refused to simply change a part of the order. I just resubmitted the corrected order a little while ago.

I think the product looks fantastic, otherwise I would not be willing to jump through these hoops and spend the kind of money required for something like this, but this experience has soured me quite a bit. If you are selling a premium niche product that starts at $415 the least you can do is invest in some decent order-form UI/UX or acknowledge that some percentage of your customers are going to have difficulty with the ordering process and act accordingly. To just crap out an incomprehensible order-form, acknowledge that said order-form is confusing, and then tell people you're going to ignore them if they have any type of problem after spending hundreds of dollars is a pretty bad way to treat customers.

I feel contrary to the other posters above and think the information on this page and the site page all explain everything clearly enough for me to understand what each option means. If this was your first custom then maybe I could understand certain things are confusing but the fact that all options are on ONE product instead of adding separate products to the cart makes it very simple. The colors are mostly self explanatory and the images on the product page and site / examples show a good range of possibilities. It's missing a picture view of the layout options but explains things enough for me to know that the layout I want is supported. I think it'll be hard to handhold the lowest common denominator in this case but Senter's done a decent job at it.

As an aside, I think elitist attitudes like this are pretty cancerous to the community and anybody looking to join it. If the entire thread is full of basic questions that are not answered in the product page and not comments about the product itself, that's probably a sign that something is wrong. It's cool that you were able to navigate ordering the item without issues, but the vast majority of people here were not, and acting like we're the "lowest common denominator" when trying to get basic information before dropping half a grand or more on a keyboard is insulting and discourages people from asking questions and trying to learn more about the hobby.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: idolindisguise on Sat, 10 April 2021, 21:50:45
i dont have any complain i just join the GB, lol
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Lizcuits on Sat, 10 April 2021, 21:58:08

I think the product looks fantastic, otherwise I would not be willing to jump through these hoops and spend the kind of money required for something like this, but this experience has soured me quite a bit. If you are selling a premium niche product that starts at $415 the least you can do is invest in some decent order-form UI/UX or acknowledge that some percentage of your customers are going to have difficulty with the ordering process and act accordingly. To just crap out an incomprehensible order-form, acknowledge that said order-form is confusing, and then tell people you're going to ignore them if they have any type of problem after spending hundreds of dollars is a pretty bad way to treat customers.

I feel contrary to the other posters above and think the information on this page and the site page all explain everything clearly enough for me to understand what each option means. If this was your first custom then maybe I could understand certain things are confusing but the fact that all options are on ONE product instead of adding separate products to the cart makes it very simple. The colors are mostly self explanatory and the images on the product page and site / examples show a good range of possibilities. It's missing a picture view of the layout options but explains things enough for me to know that the layout I want is supported. I think it'll be hard to handhold the lowest common denominator in this case but Senter's done a decent job at it.

As an aside, I think elitist attitudes like this are pretty cancerous to the community and anybody looking to join it. If the entire thread is full of basic questions that are not answered in the product page and not comments about the product itself, that's probably a sign that something is wrong. It's cool that you were able to navigate ordering the item without issues, but the vast majority of people here were not, and acting like we're the "lowest common denominator" when trying to get basic information before dropping half a grand or more on a keyboard is insulting and discourages people from asking questions and trying to learn more about the hobby.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Sorry you had such a negative introduction to the hobby. I'm still fingers crossed that they update the site to be more user friendly and just restart group buy, or at the very least allow changes to orders. I already know several people personally who misunderstood the order process and as such made a mistake -- and that's only people who actually realized they made a mistake because they looked into it more already. I can imagine many more people made similar mistakes and simply haven't realized it yet.

The GB runner shadow-updating the product page (so they clearly read these concerns we all brought up) but not addressing it directly is also a little worrying. Hopefully we hear from them soon.

I want this GB to be a success because the board is genuinely gorgeous and I want to see more work like this from Fox Labs... just not done this way. This GB is shady at best so far, which is a real shame.

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:01:39

It's currently impossible to be certain of what color is which, there's very little information for what you're actually getting (as you can see by almost every comment on this thread so far), and finding proto pictures (that should be on this page and the product page) is split across looking at the zfrontier page (not linked here) and the IC thread (also not linked here).

There is no clear photograph or render of the front of the keyboard on the GB thread or the Product page. The only one is from a low angle and it doesn't show the badge (no info on the badge whatsoever in that case without digging through other sources).

There is no information on the layout of the PCB, for either the solderable layout or the hotswap layout.



The prototype photo is in both this thread and the GB page. It's a 6000*6000 picture. The picture with 8 boards is not a render. All the colors should pretty easy to identify on that picture.

All the other information has been added to both this thread and the GB page.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Lizcuits on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:05:28

The prototype photo is in both this thread and the GB page. It's a 6000*6000 picture. The picture with 8 boards is not a render. All the colors should pretty easy to identify on that picture.

All the other information has been added to both this thread and the GB page.

Yeah uh, it wasn't as easy to identify before when it was only one photo of the backs of a few keyboards that didn't have the color labels on them. And I think we all know that's not what people mean when they ask for prototype photos.

Thanks for updating it though, I guess
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:06:18

The products provided to streamers are not the same as what you get by default, which is confusing to some.


The skeleton plate was designed after I sent the prototypes to the streamers. I asked opinions in the IC thread and most people are interested. There was a discussion in the IC thread.
Making the skeleton plate as the default plate is an upgrade. The price was determined when the Chinese GB was started and the plate version wasn't changed.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:07:03

edit: I also just noticed all of the examples of the polycarb builds are built without a PCB so the underside appearance is misrepresented. I have no idea why this was done this way, unless the PC just looks really bad with the PCB installed? These protos are also built with plates that aren't offered (it appears to be some sort of a sandblasted pink aluminum and brass plate? Not the "skeleton plate" that is unclearly offered as a default)
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I don't know what you mean is the pictures don't show up.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Lizcuits on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:09:35

edit: I also just noticed all of the examples of the polycarb builds are built without a PCB so the underside appearance is misrepresented. I have no idea why this was done this way, unless the PC just looks really bad with the PCB installed? These protos are also built with plates that aren't offered (it appears to be some sort of a sandblasted pink aluminum and brass plate? Not the "skeleton plate" that is unclearly offered as a default)
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I don't know what you mean is the pictures don't show up.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741044300728500324/830640558770356224/004727.png)(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741044300728500324/830640560913514506/877958.png)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:10:20

All this on top of the "Don't even bother asking me to change your order, it will be ignored" is really just not a good look. Seriously consider fixing up your thead and website and letting everyone start over or offer the ability to change orders. This is one of the worst laid out group buys I've ever seen, which is kind of shocking coming from Fox Lab.


This board is gorgeous and people are going to love it, please don't ruin your group buy by making it vague and frustrating to navigate and then offering no support to remedy it.

I've been in this community for many years and I've run quite a lot group buys. I know exactly what could go wrong. If I didn't add that line, there will be hundreds of change request in my mailbox. Many people would request multiple times of color changes and other changes. That will make the group buy totally unmanageable that I cannot handle.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:12:29
Hello!  I just bought one of these. First GB and really first kit I’ll need to assemble. In preparation for this, does the hotswap PCB support screw in stabilizers or will I need to get some plate mounted ones?

Only PCB mount stabs are supported including the screw in ones.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:13:35
Plate mount stabs or PCB  mount stabs?

PCB
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Nef on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:14:29

It's currently impossible to be certain of what color is which, there's very little information for what you're actually getting (as you can see by almost every comment on this thread so far), and finding proto pictures (that should be on this page and the product page) is split across looking at the zfrontier page (not linked here) and the IC thread (also not linked here).

There is no clear photograph or render of the front of the keyboard on the GB thread or the Product page. The only one is from a low angle and it doesn't show the badge (no info on the badge whatsoever in that case without digging through other sources).

There is no information on the layout of the PCB, for either the solderable layout or the hotswap layout.




The prototype photo is in both this thread and the GB page. It's a 6000*6000 picture. The picture with 8 boards is not a render. All the colors should pretty easy to identify on that picture.

All the other information has been added to both this thread and the GB page.

Is there a pic of the light green top/bottom piece?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:22:49
I feel contrary to the other posters above and think the information on this page and the site page all explain everything clearly enough for me to understand what each option means. If this was your first custom then maybe I could understand certain things are confusing but the fact that all options are on ONE product instead of adding separate products to the cart makes it very simple. The colors are mostly self explanatory and the images on the product page and site / examples show a good range of possibilities. It's missing a picture view of the layout options but explains things enough for me to know that the layout I want is supported. I think it'll be hard to handhold the lowest common denominator in this case but Senter's done a decent job at it.

Thank you for your kind words. I've been in the community for many years now and really feel this community is turning much less tolerant. I do understand that something I feel nature could be not that straightforward to some newcomers of this community, and I'm willing to improve, answer any questions here and through email. It makes me very upset when I get those harsh and demanding criticism that I don't think I deserve for what I've done: "You don't even have contact information on your website. You're arrogant and rude!" (I do have contact information here and the github page. The packing list includes my contact information and the build guide. ) "You didn't provide XXX information here. The GB is so bad!" (I do apologies for what I didn't post so far. )
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:26:23
Where can I find renders of the case colors "Light Green Anodizing" and "Red Anodizing"? There should be pictures available for each customizable option (such as close ups for the front logo for each color) to make selections easier, especially if you're expecting people to "take your time and make the decisions carefully"?

Unfortunately, there's no render for the light green and red units. You can check the color in the first two pictures in this thread though. The colors shown in those two pictures are the most accurate ones.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:27:10
A little bit confused about the color.

The color of the beige in the Geekhack post and from the fox labs store is totally different.
Wondering which one is close to the real color.

The first one is more accurate as it's a real photo. The bottom one is a render.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:31:27
Made an account just to comment on this as I'm relatively new to the hobby and was very excited to see this product come up, only to be heavily discouraged by the many issues people have brought up in the thread already. I found the product page very confusing and as such realized that I made a mistake on my order after submitting it. I didn't realize how the middle plate would accent the overall look of the board until looking up a video of a streamer who received a board and as such realized I didn't choose the right color that I wanted. You can argue if you want that this is my fault for not researching it enough, but given the confusing information and lack of pictures on the product page I feel like this may be a common mistake. Despite the fact that the seller apparently doesn't want to provide the most basic customer support in regards to changing order specs, I e-mailed FoxLabs anyway requesting they do so, and if they were unwilling to, to cancel my order so I could resubmit a corrected version. I understood that they said they would charge a cancellation fee and that they would ignore any requests for order changes, but I figured I'd try anyway. They did indeed cancel my order and refunded all but $5, but gave no explanation as to why they refused to simply change a part of the order. I just resubmitted the corrected order a little while ago.

I think the product looks fantastic, otherwise I would not be willing to jump through these hoops and spend the kind of money required for something like this, but this experience has soured me quite a bit. If you are selling a premium niche product that starts at $415 the least you can do is invest in some decent order-form UI/UX or acknowledge that some percentage of your customers are going to have difficulty with the ordering process and act accordingly. To just crap out an incomprehensible order-form, acknowledge that said order-form is confusing, and then tell people you're going to ignore them if they have any type of problem after spending hundreds of dollars is a pretty bad way to treat customers.

I feel contrary to the other posters above and think the information on this page and the site page all explain everything clearly enough for me to understand what each option means. If this was your first custom then maybe I could understand certain things are confusing but the fact that all options are on ONE product instead of adding separate products to the cart makes it very simple. The colors are mostly self explanatory and the images on the product page and site / examples show a good range of possibilities. It's missing a picture view of the layout options but explains things enough for me to know that the layout I want is supported. I think it'll be hard to handhold the lowest common denominator in this case but Senter's done a decent job at it.

As an aside, I think elitist attitudes like this are pretty cancerous to the community and anybody looking to join it. If the entire thread is full of basic questions that are not answered in the product page and not comments about the product itself, that's probably a sign that something is wrong. It's cool that you were able to navigate ordering the item without issues, but the vast majority of people here were not, and acting like we're the "lowest common denominator" when trying to get basic information before dropping half a grand or more on a keyboard is insulting and discourages people from asking questions and trying to learn more about the hobby.

Thank you for your comments. I didn't revise your order because it's technically not possible to do so. Shopify(the store plate form) by its default setting doesn't support so many options on a single page. I'm using an plugin to enable infinite options. By using this plugin, I'm not able to modify detailed options in the backend.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:34:24

edit: I also just noticed all of the examples of the polycarb builds are built without a PCB so the underside appearance is misrepresented. I have no idea why this was done this way, unless the PC just looks really bad with the PCB installed? These protos are also built with plates that aren't offered (it appears to be some sort of a sandblasted pink aluminum and brass plate? Not the "skeleton plate" that is unclearly offered as a default)
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I don't know what you mean is the pictures don't show up.

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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741044300728500324/830640558770356224/004727.png)
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741044300728500324/830640560913514506/877958.png)


Oh, this is just because the photos were taken before the boards are assembled. We had only solder version PCBs at that time.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: srhdt on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:53:25
I don't want to downplay other people's legitimate criticisms in this thread, but at the same time I do want to let senter know that I'm really excited for this GB. This will be my first GB keyboard and I think all the boards you've designed so far have looked amazing.

Although I didn't have any issues with my ordering process I definitely acknowledge that it could have been confusing for others. Hopefully everyone ends up with an order that makes them happy.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: ZongZiWang on Sat, 10 April 2021, 22:58:34

edit: I also just noticed all of the examples of the polycarb builds are built without a PCB so the underside appearance is misrepresented. I have no idea why this was done this way, unless the PC just looks really bad with the PCB installed? These protos are also built with plates that aren't offered (it appears to be some sort of a sandblasted pink aluminum and brass plate? Not the "skeleton plate" that is unclearly offered as a default)
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I don't know what you mean is the pictures don't show up.

Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741044300728500324/830640558770356224/004727.png)
Show Image
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741044300728500324/830640560913514506/877958.png)


Oh, this is just because the photos were taken before the boards are assembled. We had only solder version PCBs at that time.
Is that possible to attach the solder pcb to the switches (even not soldering them) and put into polycarbonate case so we can see how it looks from bottom as how we would get when we build them.

Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: tsolin01 on Sat, 10 April 2021, 23:13:28
As an aside, I think elitist attitudes like this are pretty cancerous to the community and anybody looking to join it. If the entire thread is full of basic questions that are not answered in the product page and not comments about the product itself, that's probably a sign that something is wrong. It's cool that you were able to navigate ordering the item without issues, but the vast majority of people here were not, and acting like we're the "lowest common denominator" when trying to get basic information before dropping half a grand or more on a keyboard is insulting and discourages people from asking questions and trying to learn more about the hobby.

lol sorry if you feel personally attacked by this. I just feel like there's way too much pitchforking in here when the options aren't that difficult to figure out. Hope Senter doesn't get discouraged by this and this continues to be a successful group buy.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: shotaaoyi on Sun, 11 April 2021, 00:35:59
placed my order and i cant wait for the board! Do agree that some improvements can be made with this gb, but I do think the options were not that hard to figure out, especially after reading Senter's answers to some questions (could be nice to do a common FAQ at the top of the page so everyone also sees). Hopefully issues with this gb will be resolved and the groupbuy continues to be successful. 
Good luck with the rest of the  groupbuy!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: goateek on Sun, 11 April 2021, 02:39:21
The options are not too bad. My problem is that I wish there were some tools to let us render a board with different color combinations that are not common, it's hard to just use our imagination for those. It's great that we're allowed to choose color for each of the piece, but the lack of render/proto in the end nudges us towards the safe options.
Still going to order one though, good luck!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: neikels on Sun, 11 April 2021, 09:28:54
Hi Senter,
 do you have any pictures or renders of how the black anodizing middle frame would look like with the clear pc bottom case?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Jacki on Sun, 11 April 2021, 10:48:24
Only 2 PCB's are allowed in 1 order.
am i allowed to make a second order if i want one more PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: CookieFlow on Sun, 11 April 2021, 16:54:13
placed my order and i cant wait for the board! Do agree that some improvements can be made with this gb, but I do think the options were not that hard to figure out, especially after reading Senter's answers to some questions (could be nice to do a common FAQ at the top of the page so everyone also sees). Hopefully issues with this gb will be resolved and the groupbuy continues to be successful. 
Good luck with the rest of the  groupbuy!

I do believe that the GB is pretty clear now.
And some crucial information has been updated since.

But since there was a 500 boards limit, some people ordered very early before the new information was made available.
500 boards is a good number, but there have been GB's this size selling out in minutes so I (and others presumably) didn't want to risk waiting too long.
It is just a shame that orders cannot be edited at least manually for the people that ordered in the first minutes of the GB.

But I am still very excited for this GB, I just wish I didn't have 2 similar plates in my order. But hopefully there will be extras addons after the GB.

Senter please consider making a fair amount of extra badges, weights and maybe even different middles frames so we can customize our boards with different color combinations.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: srhdt on Sun, 11 April 2021, 17:03:35
placed my order and i cant wait for the board! Do agree that some improvements can be made with this gb, but I do think the options were not that hard to figure out, especially after reading Senter's answers to some questions (could be nice to do a common FAQ at the top of the page so everyone also sees). Hopefully issues with this gb will be resolved and the groupbuy continues to be successful. 
Good luck with the rest of the  groupbuy!

I do believe that the GB is pretty clear now.
And some crucial information has been updated since.

But since there was a 500 boards limit, some people ordered very early before the new information was made available.
500 boards is a good number, but there have been GB's this size selling out in minutes so I (and others presumably) didn't want to risk waiting too long.
It is just a shame that orders cannot be edited at least manually for the people that ordered in the first minutes of the GB.

But I am still very excited for this GB, I just wish I didn't have 2 similar plates in my order. But hopefully there will be extras addons after the GB.

Senter please consider making a fair amount of extra badges, weights and maybe even different middles frames so we can customize our boards with different color combinations.

 :thumb:

I know it's not an ideal solution, but the GB is still live so if you made a mistake on your order, can't you just cancel and re-order? It sucks to have to lose a 2% fee to canceling, but it is an option.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Brit on Sun, 11 April 2021, 18:10:14
I ordered my board right as the group buy started and before Senter posted this thread because I didn't want to risk not being able to get one as someone mentioned above. However, I always make sure I understand the information before I make a big purchase so I was able to do some research (in regard to youtuber build streams) and figured out how to order the right parts I wanted. The only thing I was unclear of when ordering was what the default plate was. I do think that the GB is more clear with this thread and the updated information in the store page, but that's subjective. Hopefully people who didn't order right away are able to do so without confusion now. The board looks beautiful and has everything I've wanted in a 65%. Good luck with the rest of the group buy  :D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: deedz on Mon, 12 April 2021, 02:40:27
I feel contrary to the other posters above and think the information on this page and the site page all explain everything clearly enough for me to understand what each option means. If this was your first custom then maybe I could understand certain things are confusing but the fact that all options are on ONE product instead of adding separate products to the cart makes it very simple. The colors are mostly self explanatory and the images on the product page and site / examples show a good range of possibilities. It's missing a picture view of the layout options but explains things enough for me to know that the layout I want is supported. I think it'll be hard to handhold the lowest common denominator in this case but Senter's done a decent job at it.

Thank you for your kind words. I've been in the community for many years now and really feel this community is turning much less tolerant. I do understand that something I feel nature could be not that straightforward to some newcomers of this community, and I'm willing to improve, answer any questions here and through email. It makes me very upset when I get those harsh and demanding criticism that I don't think I deserve for what I've done: "You don't even have contact information on your website. You're arrogant and rude!" (I do have contact information here and the github page. The packing list includes my contact information and the build guide. ) "You didn't provide XXX information here. The GB is so bad!" (I do apologies for what I didn't post so far. )

Thanks for taking the time to address things Senter!

Was wondering if you had any information on the total weight of the keyboard?

Was also curious what material the weight will be if we do not upgrade to PVD brass?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: elongatedmusk on Mon, 12 April 2021, 02:50:42
Hey, just wondering, what does "Soft Cap" mean?

The description says it's 500 units but my order is around 2000-ish and it's currently still open.

Not sure if the order number is randomly generated though.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Altain on Mon, 12 April 2021, 03:09:29
Hey, just wondering, what does "Soft Cap" mean?

The description says it's 500 units but my order is around 2000-ish and it's currently still open.

Not sure if the order number is randomly generated though.

I believe the order number is not exactly equal to the number of units sold prior to one's purchase. I've bought a kit within 3~4 hours after the GB opened and my order number is already 1780.
There's less likely that 1500+ people have bought it within a few hours, I believe?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Altain on Mon, 12 April 2021, 03:11:08
Awesome! Just ordered a kit. A quick question, how do I review the options for my purchase after the payment has been done?

When you get the confirmation email from Fox Lab you can click on View Your Order and it shows all your options on the top-right.

Thx for your help! Is Senter going to give out confirmation email after the GB is closed? Got the kit on Saturday, still no confirmation email.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: seys12 on Mon, 12 April 2021, 06:57:27
Do you have a photo of how the top logo looks like on the PC top case? And how the bottom PC case looks like with a PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: prangano on Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:30:47
man I wish I could change my color selection
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Curin Derwin on Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:38:51
What color is the PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:39:36
I ordered my board right as the group buy started and before Senter posted this thread because I didn't want to risk not being able to get one as someone mentioned above. However, I always make sure I understand the information before I make a big purchase so I was able to do some research (in regard to youtuber build streams) and figured out how to order the right parts I wanted. The only thing I was unclear of when ordering was what the default plate was. I do think that the GB is more clear with this thread and the updated information in the store page, but that's subjective. Hopefully people who didn't order right away are able to do so without confusion now. The board looks beautiful and has everything I've wanted in a 65%. Good luck with the rest of the group buy  :D

If you've already placed an order and want to cancel it then place a new one, there's no reason I won't allow it. The 500 unit limit is a soft limit, I want make sure who wanted to get one can get one. I do plan to close the GB earlier than expected (within one or two days), but I secure your spot if you got one before GB is closed.

I will deduct a 2% fee though because that's what you (or me) have already paid to PayPal, not me. The 2.9% plus $0.30 transaction won't be returned even I issues the full refund. I charge around only 2% for any order cancel requests for simplicity.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:42:29
Do you have a photo of how the top logo looks like on the PC top case? And how the bottom PC case looks like with a PCB?

I didn't order a PC prototype with top right logo, but you can get an idea how it will look with Key65's photos:

(https://i.imgur.com/53BrZKs.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Eix7Y9N.png)

The difference is that the Leaf65's badge has a larger block behind the front case, which you can see through the PC case, like what it looks on the weight:
(https://i.imgur.com/YVgUcId.png)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:46:12
What color is the PCB?

White
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Deanington on Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:58:33
Didnt see an order cancel option in any of the emails. Does one contact you at the foxlab email if an order does need to be canceled?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: senter on Mon, 12 April 2021, 13:13:56
Didnt see an order cancel option in any of the emails. Does one contact you at the foxlab email if an order does need to be canceled?

Yes.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: srhdt on Mon, 12 April 2021, 13:24:42
Awesome! Just ordered a kit. A quick question, how do I review the options for my purchase after the payment has been done?

When you get the confirmation email from Fox Lab you can click on View Your Order and it shows all your options on the top-right.

Thx for your help! Is Senter going to give out confirmation email after the GB is closed? Got the kit on Saturday, still no confirmation email.

You should check your spam folder or email Senter and ask about it. I think the confirmation email is automated and I received mine like 1-2 minutes after making my order.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Deanington on Mon, 12 April 2021, 13:25:24
Thanks Senter, love the design btw.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: mkljfox44 on Mon, 12 April 2021, 14:27:20
I'm super excited for this. Senter has been very communicative and helpful throughout the ordering process. When I ran into an issue with my order, he promptly responded and helped me through it. I understand that people have some concerns with the information in the order page (or lack thereof), but instead of posting harsh comments, you should probably reach out to the GB host for help as they are more than willing to do so. Anyway, thanks for everything Senter.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: tsolin01 on Mon, 12 April 2021, 15:03:25
Do you have a photo of how the top logo looks like on the PC top case? And how the bottom PC case looks like with a PCB?

I found a couple pics of the PC with what looks like the PVD Brass on zfrontier here:

https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/40bZ61jBwbLG

I put them up on imgur and attached them below:

https://imgur.com/a/eLD7AVM

[attach=1]
[attach=2]

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: NixieTea on Mon, 12 April 2021, 15:18:59
Do you have a photo of how the top logo looks like on the PC top case? And how the bottom PC case looks like with a PCB?

I found a couple pics of the PC with what looks like the PVD Brass on zfrontier here:

https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/40bZ61jBwbLG

I put them up on imgur and attached them below:

https://imgur.com/a/eLD7AVM

(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

Oof, I may have to join after all. Even though it's just a render, this color combo is amazing.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: abellp327 on Mon, 12 April 2021, 16:54:15
Do you have a photo of how the top logo looks like on the PC top case? And how the bottom PC case looks like with a PCB?

I found a couple pics of the PC with what looks like the PVD Brass on zfrontier here:

https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/40bZ61jBwbLG

I put them up on imgur and attached them below:

https://imgur.com/a/eLD7AVM

(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

Looks like silver? thought brass was gold like
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: NixieTea on Mon, 12 April 2021, 17:03:11
Do you have a photo of how the top logo looks like on the PC top case? And how the bottom PC case looks like with a PCB?

I found a couple pics of the PC with what looks like the PVD Brass on zfrontier here:

https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/40bZ61jBwbLG

I put them up on imgur and attached them below:

https://imgur.com/a/eLD7AVM

(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)

Looks like silver? thought brass was gold like
The PVD is silver for this GB
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Domantas on Mon, 12 April 2021, 17:47:58
Is hotswap pcb per switch only or it also has underglow? (asking mainly because it can determine if I want pc bottom or alu)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Ekko on Mon, 12 April 2021, 18:30:37
Hello, I was wondering what the silver anodizing would look like.  On the zfrontier renders I see dark greys so hopefully that's what you meant by silver anodizing but if not and it's actually silver I might go with a different color combo.  Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: srhdt on Mon, 12 April 2021, 19:43:54
Hello, I was wondering what the silver anodizing would look like.  On the zfrontier renders I see dark greys so hopefully that's what you meant by silver anodizing but if not and it's actually silver I might go with a different color combo.  Thank you!

The first picture of the first post in this thread has Silver clearly labeled.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: senter on Mon, 12 April 2021, 20:43:28
As the soft top limit has been reached, I'll close the GB tomorrow ( around 12 AM ET or 9 PM PST)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Curin Derwin on Mon, 12 April 2021, 22:32:01
Is hotswap pcb per switch only or it also has underglow? (asking mainly because it can determine if I want pc bottom or alu)
I'd also love to know this.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: cdrom25 on Tue, 13 April 2021, 10:47:29
Just want to ask a question. This is my first time joining a GB so I don't have any idea but how many hours after paying did you receive your confirmation email? I paid maybe 2-3 hours ago but I haven't received any email from fox lab. Thank you in advance :D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: DzeDom on Tue, 13 April 2021, 12:13:54
Just want to ask a question. This is my first time joining a GB so I don't have any idea but how many hours after paying did you receive your confirmation email? I paid maybe 2-3 hours ago but I haven't received any email from fox lab. Thank you in advance :D

I got mine almost instantly.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: cdrom25 on Tue, 13 April 2021, 12:45:17
I got it now. Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: orberen on Tue, 13 April 2021, 19:41:45
Oh Boy Just ordered the PC with pink middle frame/ logo/weight!

And I haven't even gotten the TIME 80 RE that I ordered yet :)) Can't wait for that to come in as well hopefully in the next few weeks!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: Curin Derwin on Tue, 13 April 2021, 21:38:04
As the soft top limit has been reached, I'll close the GB tomorrow ( around 12 AM ET or 9 PM PST)
Fox, I'd like to get confirmation on PCB before ordering: Does it have underglow for a PC bottom to let light shine through?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: senter on Tue, 13 April 2021, 21:40:44
As the soft top limit has been reached, I'll close the GB tomorrow ( around 12 AM ET or 9 PM PST)
Fox, I'd like to get confirmation on PCB before ordering: Does it have underglow for a PC bottom to let light shine through?

It does not have pre-installed bottom LEDs.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: abellp327 on Tue, 13 April 2021, 22:03:47
Had to get it.. FOMO
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: NixieTea on Tue, 13 April 2021, 22:23:46
Picked up a polycarb and brass version to pair with gmk fuji when it shows up in a year and a half. Super expensive, but man did that render look good. I love the choice of silver PVD this time.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: Curin Derwin on Tue, 13 April 2021, 22:27:05
As the soft top limit has been reached, I'll close the GB tomorrow ( around 12 AM ET or 9 PM PST)
Fox, I'd like to get confirmation on PCB before ordering: Does it have underglow for a PC bottom to let light shine through?

It does not have pre-installed bottom LEDs.
Thank you. I just placed an order based on this feedback response. I appreciate it!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: eibbun on Wed, 14 April 2021, 01:15:44
oh wow that pc+pink is beautiful. don't tell me i missed this by 2 days  :-[
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: thanatic on Wed, 14 April 2021, 01:29:49
Hoping to be able to buy extra of the silver PVD set after GB :)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: Curin Derwin on Wed, 14 April 2021, 01:30:58
oh wow that pc+pink is beautiful. don't tell me i missed this by 2 days  :-[
Okay, then I'll tell you missed it by 1 hour. :(
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% (GB will be closed soon)
Post by: eibbun on Wed, 14 April 2021, 02:41:36
oh wow that pc+pink is beautiful. don't tell me i missed this by 2 days  :-[
Okay, then I'll tell you missed it by 1 hour. :(


HOW DARE YOU 😭
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: senter on Wed, 14 April 2021, 08:19:39
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/N3Sktkn.png)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hzNFT50.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Wb9r2Cm.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Yf04kOb.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/11XmUR4.jpg)


About Leaf 65%

Leaf 65% is the third member of the Leaf series after Leaf 80 (2018) and Leaf 60 (2018).

New features:
  • Top, middle, and bottom cases in different colors
  • No visible screws
  • PORON sandwich mount
  • PORON mute plate (optional for using between the PCB and the plate)
  • Skeleton plate (https://imgur.com/a/n33m0DU)
  • New custom rubber feet

Group Buy Information

1. How to order

Visit https://foxlab.store/products/leaf-65
The link will be available starting from 04-09-2021 at 9 PM ET.

2. What does a kit include?

  • Top case, middle frame, bottom case
  • Switch mounting plate
  • Main PCB and daughter PCB
  • Bottom weight
  • PORON stripes
  • PORON mute plate (optional to use)
  • Screws and rubber feet

3. Explanation of the options

  • Colors: Case colors include Black Anodizing, Silver Anodizing, Dark Green Anodizing, Light Green Anodizing, Space Cadet Anodizing, Red Anodizing, E-White, E-Beige, Pink Powder Coating, and Matte Clear PC. The weight, plate, and the front Leaf logo can be upgraded to PVD brass in silver color. Most of the colors can be found in the first picture on this page.
  • The front leaf logo is only available if you order the "with Front Logo" front case layout.
  • The plate, weight, and front leaf logo (for "with Front Logo" versions) can only be in the same color/material in the base kit.
  • The aluminum plates are all the skeleton version. The FR4 plates and PVD brass plates are all the regular version.
  • There are two versions of PCBs. The hot-swappable version has a fixed layout (7u spacebar) and has pre-soldered switch LEDs. The solder version supports various layouts for MX and ALPS switches. Both versions will have VIA support.
  • The default plate supports ANSI MX layout only. ISO is not supported on the default plate as many people (especially me) hate compatible Enter hole. The PCB does support ISO and I will share the plate files later.
  • Typing angle: 6 degrees. Case front height: 21mm
  • PCB layouts: see below

Hot swappable version PCB layout:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/4qzWSBs.png)


Solderable version PCB layout:
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/pMRrmaK.png)


4. What's the price?

The base price is $415 including transaction fees but excluding shipping.
Sorry, It is more expensive than Leaf 60 and Leaf 80 because the the USD to CNY exchange rate keeps dropping in the past year and the the material cost keeps increasing in the past year. $415 this year is $366 excluding the transaction fees in the last year if we exchange USD to CNY, and we do need to pay the factory in CNY.

  • Upgrading to PVD brass plate and weight: $99
  • Extra PCB: $45
  • Extra aluminum/FR4 plate: $25

5. Timeline and limits

The GB starts from 04-09-2021 at 9 PM ET.
It will open for 7 days unless the number of orders is getting too big. (edit: I'll be closing the GB early as the soft top limit has been reached -- Mon Apr 12 9:38 PM ET)
A soft top limit is 500 kits in total.
The expected lead time is expected to be 5 months.
This time we started a Chinese GB first. The manufacturing has been started for a while. For the international GB, we only need to add the new orders to the queue, so this GB should be smoother than before.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: senter on Wed, 14 April 2021, 08:20:00
GB Closed
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: senter on Wed, 14 April 2021, 08:21:07
..
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: snooze on Wed, 14 April 2021, 15:21:11
Thanks for the GB! I think it'd be helpful to update the main post to clarify what the default plate is that comes with this board. Took me a while to realize it was actually a skeleton plate from the questions in this thread. Looking forward to logo extras in the future! ty senter
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: diazel on Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:30:50
So based on the date, I assume they ran out? It was still the 500 FCFS, right?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Dennyroxsox on Wed, 14 April 2021, 20:31:15
Thank you for the sale, Senter!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Taboggan on Wed, 14 April 2021, 21:01:45
Wonderful board and well run GB, thanks for doing this!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: TypicalOranges on Wed, 14 April 2021, 21:03:14
I also agree with Lizcults, I've been looking forward to this GB for months, and I don't understand why things have been so all over the place. There should be atleast a render for each customizable piece of the board in the colors offered. Makes no sense why someone else in the IC thread had to go to Zfrontier to find pictures of the cases. Also, it really really does not make sense as to WHY the skeleton plate was made the default choice, when none of the streamers you sent it to had it to test out, and there are no sound tests or reviews on its performance. I get wanting to think outside the box and innovate, but this is an expensive board, I feel like more planning should have been involved before making such a drastic change to the kb.

It all seems like an afterthought. Especially since OP wrote this:

"This time we started a Chinese GB first. The manufacturing has been started for a while. For the international GB, we only need to add the new orders to the queue, so this GB should be smoother than before."

It's not an afterthought. Foxlabs has always started or done an initial GB in China. Mostly because American consumers are ****ing idiots and whine about literally everything.

Senter and Foxlabs have run some of the best and most consistent GBs ever. No one has better turnaround time with their level of QC. Nothing about Foxlabs is an "afterthought".
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: mvkoto on Wed, 14 April 2021, 21:29:20
Thanks for the GB! I think it'd be helpful to update the main post to clarify what the default plate is that comes with this board. Took me a while to realize it was actually a skeleton plate from the questions in this thread. Looking forward to logo extras in the future! ty senter

This was the case for many. But he did end up changing it.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: mvkoto on Wed, 14 April 2021, 21:32:50
So based on the date, I assume they ran out? It was still the 500 FCFS, right?

I'm not sure about exact numbers, but he announced he would be closing the GB a day before he actually did so i'm guessing he either got close enough or past 500.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Ekko on Wed, 14 April 2021, 22:53:28
Still new to the keyboard stuff so I’m not sure but does this pcb have esd protection?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: kogasa on Thu, 15 April 2021, 03:35:14
Just wanted to thank you for the amazing design and the ability to choose different colors for each piece. I don't think there is, was, or ever will be a keyboard without such a feature which matches my first GMK set as well as my Leaf65 will. Ty!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Hern on Thu, 15 April 2021, 10:15:46
Ended up snatching a good color combo for GMK Botanical so will be exciting when that shows up.
Wish I had the option to change the middle PVD to silver but was confused at first and know that order changes cannot be made.
Here is to hoping that I can get in on any "extras" for a middle silver PVD piece later on or in /mm
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: dalex100 on Fri, 16 April 2021, 07:51:24
I need help with my order. I had to make a second order because I made a mistake on a first one and asked Foxlab to cancel it for me (I got the refund).

However, the second one showed it is in cancelled state, but the payment has been fully made. It is shown in my credit card as processed transaction. I emailed Foxlab two times, 4 and 6 days ago, but haven't a reply from them.

Edit : It's been almost two weeks and still haven't got a reply from Foxlab. I added some pictures to the post. Also, it might be me, but I didn't see any limit of board per customer. So if the problem is that I got two, then please tell me.  :(

Edit: My order got cancelled and refunded.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Jacki on Thu, 22 April 2021, 14:29:58
Any way i can pay you to cut out a custom Polycarbonate plate for the leaf65.
Or any plans to release them in the future?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: summerboy on Fri, 23 April 2021, 15:03:47
Any way i can pay you to cut out a custom Polycarbonate plate for the leaf65.
Or any plans to release them in the future?

He says in his post he will share plate files later. Should be able to get it cut once those are released
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: HaX on Sat, 24 April 2021, 07:33:55
I need help with my order. I had to make a second order because I made a mistake on a first one and asked Foxlab to cancel it for me (I got the refund).

However, the second one showed it is in cancelled state, but the payment has been fully made. It is shown in my credit card as processed transaction. I emailed Foxlab two times, 4 and 6 days ago, but haven't a reply from them.

Edit : It's been almost two weeks and still haven't got a reply from Foxlab. I added some pictures to the post. Also, it might be me, but I didn't see any limit of board per customer. So if the problem is that I got two, then please tell me.  :(

Did you contact the correct email? (runninghack@gmail.com)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Jacki on Mon, 26 April 2021, 19:53:59
Any way i can pay you to cut out a custom Polycarbonate plate for the leaf65.
Or any plans to release them in the future?

He says in his post he will share plate files later. Should be able to get it cut once those are released
I mean't like cutting service, since i dont have access to laser cutters.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Broxigar on Tue, 27 April 2021, 16:14:23
Disappointed I missed this one by a day.  Will there be extras for the keyboard kits?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: DeadlyD on Sun, 09 May 2021, 15:56:36
:3ildcat Build Video
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: icewolfyu on Tue, 11 May 2021, 13:42:31
any chance of extra being sold after the orders have been fullfilled?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: thanatic on Fri, 21 May 2021, 17:38:40
Hello FoxLab/Senter,

Is your skeleton plate Laser Cut or CNC'ed?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: NixieTea on Sun, 06 June 2021, 21:10:18
Hey Senter,

Is your store page the best place to find updates on progress?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Tiff0 on Sun, 06 June 2021, 23:52:20
Hey Senter,

Is your store page the best place to find updates on progress?

They just posted an update on their website today :) https://foxlab.store/blogs/news
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: FlaminFingers on Mon, 26 July 2021, 18:56:38
Will there be any chance of getting extras? I would love to get my hands on one of these. Also will you have alps plate files too or just the MX plate files?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: pcire on Mon, 26 July 2021, 19:03:19
I'd be interested in buying a set of extra badges. 
I'm guessing selling in sets would be a lot simpler for you (Senter) than taking orders for single badges.

I hope you can consider this!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: mvkoto on Fri, 30 July 2021, 17:51:21
Anyone know if fox lab has a discord?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: //gainsborough on Fri, 30 July 2021, 21:10:13
negatory on the discord
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Mushroom on Sat, 31 July 2021, 10:59:08
It's pity I didn't get on this
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: mvkoto on Sun, 01 August 2021, 01:37:41
It's pity I didn't get on this

It's okay, I'll enjoy the keyboard for you
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: byfuryattheheart on Tue, 24 August 2021, 14:24:59
Update yesterday from Fox Lab's website:

Leaf65:

All CNC millings have been finished.
Solder version PCBs have been arrived.
Packaging boxes have been arrived.
All PORONs have been arrived
E-coating preparation (bead blasting) has been done.
Anodization: Most parts have been anodized.
Brass parts: polishing has been done. Finishes haven't been applied yet.
Pink parts: haven't finished
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: firstworldproblems on Tue, 24 August 2021, 20:45:07
Update yesterday from Fox Lab's website:

Leaf65:

All CNC millings have been finished.
Solder version PCBs have been arrived.
Packaging boxes have been arrived.
All PORONs have been arrived
E-coating preparation (bead blasting) has been done.
Anodization: Most parts have been anodized.
Brass parts: polishing has been done. Finishes haven't been applied yet.
Pink parts: haven't finished
Nice. Thanks for copying over the update!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: mangostan on Wed, 25 August 2021, 02:25:14
would there ever be a round 2 for these boards?? :(
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Tsumi on Thu, 02 September 2021, 08:54:47
would there ever be a round 2 for these boards?? :(
Not sure about r2, but there will likely be extras.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: elongatedmusk on Sun, 12 September 2021, 09:28:32
Looks like the shipping has quietly happened in China boys https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/2W1L85Oq3qbM

We're almost there Prayge
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: mvkoto on Mon, 13 September 2021, 22:09:38
Looks like the shipping has quietly happened in China boys https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/2W1L85Oq3qbM

We're almost there Prayge

nice find. i'm hyped
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Stompy on Wed, 15 September 2021, 07:15:49
> ### Update on 09/14 2021
>
> ## Leaf 65:
>
> The production has all been finished. Shipping will start from 20th this month. All the orders should be shipped before mid October.

https://foxlab.store/blogs/news/update-on-09-14-2021

Nice!

@senter , will there be extras to add on before my order ships? I'm after a green front leaf as well as the black one that I ordered.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: jman112004 on Thu, 16 September 2021, 13:37:54
Just wanted to give major props to you guys at fox labs for staying on schedule and getting it done! So excited to get my unit! THANK YOU!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: CookieFlow on Thu, 16 September 2021, 13:42:23
Indeed nice to see they are on time.
Since I couldn't reach anybody via their email, if somebody has solder PCB and wants to trade for Hotswap ones let me know.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: srhdt on Tue, 28 September 2021, 11:28:31
Since these are being shipped or will be shipped soon, I was just wondering if we'll be receiving tracking emails?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: CookieFlow on Tue, 28 September 2021, 14:59:02
Also interested to know if some people got a shipping notification/tracking?

Shipping should have started a week ago according to their blog but with no discord and not much activity from their social medias and no replies to e-mail it's not easy to follow this one.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Tue, 28 September 2021, 23:46:56
Waking up everyday hoping to see a tracking email :(
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: ABlazinBlueToe on Wed, 29 September 2021, 14:29:19
Quote
Also interested to know if some people got a shipping notification/tracking?

Shipping should have started a week ago according to their blog but with no discord and not much activity from their social medias and no replies to e-mail it's not easy to follow this one.

I emailed Senter and he said he'd update with tracking info as he gets it.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: wunderninja on Fri, 01 October 2021, 20:02:30
Received tracking last night!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Deanington on Sat, 02 October 2021, 12:03:14
Received tracking last night!

Nice, thats good news.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Tsumi on Mon, 04 October 2021, 15:08:56
Received tracking last night!
What layout/color did you go with and when was your order put in?

The latest update mentions that the first batch has shipped and that they're sending emails to the second batch buyers to confirm shipping addresses. I'm trying to see if perhaps there's a pattern to how the orders were batched. No front logo/black ano and my order was within the first minute of the GB, but it looks like I'm not part of the first or second batch.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Mon, 04 October 2021, 18:50:04
Received tracking last night!
What layout/color did you go with and when was your order put in?

The latest update mentions that the first batch has shipped and that they're sending emails to the second batch buyers to confirm shipping addresses. I'm trying to see if perhaps there's a pattern to how the orders were batched. No front logo/black ano and my order was within the first minute of the GB, but it looks like I'm not part of the first or second batch.

I'm in same boat - placed order first few mins of GB but no tracking
My mate ordered near end of GB and his board should be arriving this week

Maybe they're working from newest to oldest order or its just random haha
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Deanington on Wed, 06 October 2021, 16:03:41
Still no tracking here either. I got the poly pink and from the states if anbody is curious. Where is the updates, Insta?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Tsumi on Wed, 06 October 2021, 16:42:37
Still no tracking here either. I got the poly pink and from the states if anbody is curious. Where is the updates, Insta?
https://foxlab.store/blogs/news (https://foxlab.store/blogs/news)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Deanington on Wed, 06 October 2021, 23:52:38
Thanks, actually got an email from Senter that it will be shipping soon too.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: wollywog on Fri, 08 October 2021, 13:19:48
I accidentally flashed this keyboard with the firmware for the key65 not leaf65, but it seems like there is no firmware available for this PCB. Will there be firmware available soon?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: srhdt on Sat, 09 October 2021, 14:46:59
For those still waiting, I just received an email from Senter that my board should be shipping in the middle of this month, and that I'll be part of the last shipment batch.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: DzeDom on Sun, 10 October 2021, 13:44:31
Got a notification from fedex, the package was picked up on friday and on the way. I’m probably from 2nd batch!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Tsumi on Sun, 10 October 2021, 18:22:19
For those still waiting, I just received an email from Senter that my board should be shipping in the middle of this month, and that I'll be part of the last shipment batch.
Was this unsolicited or was it a response to an email you sent?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: mvkoto on Sun, 10 October 2021, 18:34:20
For those still waiting, I just received an email from Senter that my board should be shipping in the middle of this month, and that I'll be part of the last shipment batch.
Was this unsolicited or was it a response to an email you sent?

Senter sent it unsolicited
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: srhdt on Sun, 10 October 2021, 20:19:16
For those still waiting, I just received an email from Senter that my board should be shipping in the middle of this month, and that I'll be part of the last shipment batch.
Was this unsolicited or was it a response to an email you sent?

Unsolicited. He was asking if my shipping address was the same as was in the order.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Tsumi on Sun, 10 October 2021, 20:51:21
Guess I just have to wait for Senter to get to my order and send me an email. Hope there's nothing to worry about, although this is the last batch...
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: EstericOppar on Mon, 11 October 2021, 17:59:09
I didn’t get any email from senter to confirm shipping address, but got a fedex label generated that matches my order number.

Anyone else have the same thing happening to them?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: milojjdd on Tue, 12 October 2021, 10:56:40
Just got the board, like a gem. Really happy that i've got it. Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: kabocha on Thu, 14 October 2021, 15:06:52
Received mine today, but didnt get a shipping notification. Excited to be building this soon!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: mvkoto on Thu, 14 October 2021, 20:56:36
What carrier?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Fri, 15 October 2021, 22:47:15
Has anyone in the last batch received shipping notif yet?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Obsidiank on Sat, 16 October 2021, 07:49:53
I never received shipping but mine arrived via FedEx from china.  Download the FedEx app and sign up for an account with your address.  If there are any inbound packages to your address it should automatically show up.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 16 October 2021, 10:25:09
I never received shipping but mine arrived via FedEx from china.  Download the FedEx app and sign up for an account with your address.  If there are any inbound packages to your address it should automatically show up.

Good to know.
Their communication for this GB has been pretty terrible, no replies to e-mail, no tracking, no discord...

For people that got their boards without any tracking, how long was it after the Senter e-mail asking if your address changed?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: CookieFlow on Sat, 16 October 2021, 10:47:00
(sorry for the double post, clicked the wrong button to edit)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Dinerenblanc on Sun, 17 October 2021, 00:46:06
I never received shipping but mine arrived via FedEx from china.  Download the FedEx app and sign up for an account with your address.  If there are any inbound packages to your address it should automatically show up.

Good to know.
Their communication for this GB has been pretty terrible, no replies to e-mail, no tracking, no discord...

For people that got their boards without any tracking, how long was it after the Senter e-mail asking if your address changed?

It's the same with all their GBs
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: elongatedmusk on Sun, 17 October 2021, 15:35:13
New update from their IG : https://www.instagram.com/p/CVI7875P9gS/

I guess the updates really happen when there is one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hopefully there's a tracking number showing up by the end of tomorrow.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Obsidiank on Sun, 17 October 2021, 18:53:58
Got my ship notice today.  But already received.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: mvkoto on Tue, 19 October 2021, 06:46:10
I never received shipping but mine arrived via FedEx from china.  Download the FedEx app and sign up for an account with your address.  If there are any inbound packages to your address it should automatically show up.

This is great advice. Just downloaded the FedEx app and saw that they had already sent my package to FedEx in China. Unfortunately, it was after the cutoff time..
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: curlycalvin on Tue, 19 October 2021, 12:12:43
Any idea on when the plate files will be released? mine is currently on it's way just shipped today.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Tue, 19 October 2021, 22:30:11
I never received shipping but mine arrived via FedEx from china.  Download the FedEx app and sign up for an account with your address.  If there are any inbound packages to your address it should automatically show up.

This is great advice. Just downloaded the FedEx app and saw that they had already sent my package to FedEx in China. Unfortunately, it was after the cutoff time..

Just wondering have you received a shipping conf email from Senter/Fedex yet?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: mvkoto on Tue, 19 October 2021, 22:35:15
I never received shipping but mine arrived via FedEx from china.  Download the FedEx app and sign up for an account with your address.  If there are any inbound packages to your address it should automatically show up.

This is great advice. Just downloaded the FedEx app and saw that they had already sent my package to FedEx in China. Unfortunately, it was after the cutoff time..

Just wondering have you received a shipping conf email from Senter/Fedex yet?

Yes, but it was after I had initially sent him an email about it (like a day ago). During which, I had read about the FedEx thing and found out it was starting to ship already. Then I got an email update after that.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65%
Post by: Hiel on Wed, 20 October 2021, 04:09:06
GB starts now!
Can you upload qmk firmware too please? Toggle nkro doesn't work on via that you uploaded on foxlab site.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: abellp327 on Wed, 20 October 2021, 13:40:30
Anyone know Senters email address or is it the same when he notified for shipping the board? The "G" on my hotswap PCB isn't working (tried everything from differnt switches, using tweezer,etc to test)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Tsumi on Thu, 21 October 2021, 21:26:40
(https://i.imgur.com/urXueXM.png)
Not quite the shipping notification I was looking for (especially having made my purchase within the first minute of the international GB), but it is what it is. At least it looks like a majority of other people's Leaf 65% have shipped.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: elongatedmusk on Thu, 21 October 2021, 22:05:45
Just got a call from Fedex for customs stuff as I didn't receive or have any shipping info at all. Well that's a…surprise.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Thu, 21 October 2021, 22:15:40
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/urXueXM.png)

Not quite the shipping notification I was looking for (especially having made my purchase within the first minute of the international GB), but it is what it is. At least it looks like a majority of other people's Leaf 65% have shipped.

Got same update
Also made purchase within the first minute haha

Really disappointing but out of anyone's control
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: ABlazinBlueToe on Fri, 22 October 2021, 08:49:20
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/urXueXM.png)

Not quite the shipping notification I was looking for (especially having made my purchase within the first minute of the international GB), but it is what it is. At least it looks like a majority of other people's Leaf 65% have shipped.

Got same update
Also made purchase within the first minute haha

Really disappointing but out of anyone's control

Same, first to order last to receive.  That's alright though, I'm in no hurry
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: byfuryattheheart on Fri, 22 October 2021, 12:45:11
You can add me to someone that ordered within minutes and is delayed haha It sucks, but if this hobby has taught me anything, it’s patience lol So no big deal.

Still hoping for some accessory extras! Seeing people post their PC case builds is making me jealous…
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: srhdt on Sat, 23 October 2021, 13:38:06
Same delay for me.

But it's no big deal. I'd rather my order gets shipped with everything working and not scuffed rather than get a defective piece and have to deal with additional shipping.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Mish on Mon, 25 October 2021, 14:39:02
I just got my order in and I've gotta say: Wow Senter really nailed it this time imo. The package presentation is great, I appreciate the nice instruction booklet, and the board itself turned out great! Can't wait to build :D
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Sealed for freshness on Mon, 25 October 2021, 15:53:13
Hi all - lurker logging in here!

Anyone else having issues with FedEx and Address and communicating this to Senter?

I am in New Zealand and I have now received 2 emails from Senter, just over 1 week apart advising that FedEx is holding my package due to "incorrect zip"

I have replied to him and followed up to confirm the address (it is correct both in my original order and in my replies and I regularly receive FedEx deliveries here!) bu have got no confirmation that this is being resolved or that he has received and understood my response!

 :confused:
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: r0b0t_D3vil on Mon, 25 October 2021, 16:28:11
Just received mine today. Build quality looks awesome.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: NixieTea on Tue, 26 October 2021, 00:49:03
Received my board today and it looks phenomenal. The silver PVD is leagues better than the gold PVD on the Leaf60. I do have concerns about the integrity of the polycarbonate threads holding the weight in place, since the mounting seems to be the same as that of the Leaf60, but it is what it is, and it only really has issues with brass weights. If something happens, I'll just find a different method of mounting the weight.

I'll post pictures soon, but the PC and silver brass combo is better than the renders.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Deanington on Tue, 26 October 2021, 12:13:15
I got mine today as well, it's very nice! I always wanted a Leaf, so very happy with this. Just hope all is good now.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Kookiekurls on Tue, 26 October 2021, 15:14:24
I wanted to check in and see if there were any updates about when the plate files would be available?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: azagoth on Tue, 26 October 2021, 17:00:35
Got mine yesterday, and build it.
This thing is gorgeous. The silver coating on the brass is mirror like, flawless, absolutly beautiful.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Sealed for freshness on Tue, 26 October 2021, 19:27:45
Hi all - lurker logging in here!

Anyone else having issues with FedEx and Address and communicating this to Senter?

I am in New Zealand and I have now received 2 emails from Senter, just over 1 week apart advising that FedEx is holding my package due to "incorrect zip"

I have replied to him and followed up to confirm the address (it is correct both in my original order and in my replies and I regularly receive FedEx deliveries here!) bu have got no confirmation that this is being resolved or that he has received and understood my response!

 :confused:


Panic over - it has just rocked up here in Auckland!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: alswns009 on Tue, 26 October 2021, 23:13:59
Hi all - lurker logging in here!

Anyone else having issues with FedEx and Address and communicating this to Senter?

I am in New Zealand and I have now received 2 emails from Senter, just over 1 week apart advising that FedEx is holding my package due to "incorrect zip"

I have replied to him and followed up to confirm the address (it is correct both in my original order and in my replies and I regularly receive FedEx deliveries here!) bu have got no confirmation that this is being resolved or that he has received and understood my response!

 :confused:


Panic over - it has just rocked up here in Auckland!

I'm also in this situation. Did waiting solve the problem?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Sealed for freshness on Wed, 27 October 2021, 00:34:33


Panic over - it has just rocked up here in Auckland!

I'm also in this situation. Did waiting solve the problem?

I didn’t get any interaction from Senter in the process - just two lots of emails saying my zip was wrong according to FedEx and they needed my details.
My address hadn’t changed from the original order, so I just reiterated (twice) that it was the correct address.

The second time I also included a screenshot from the NZ Post address/post code lookup showing my valid address early this morning. I guess this worked and FedEx were actually holding my package locally in NZ - not in China - as it arrived safe and sound and with no issues from customs today.

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: srhdt on Wed, 27 October 2021, 11:17:24
Got mine yesterday, and build it.
This thing is gorgeous. The silver coating on the brass is mirror like, flawless, absolutly beautiful.

Post pics! I'm still waiting for mine to ship.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: alswns009 on Wed, 27 October 2021, 16:36:43


Panic over - it has just rocked up here in Auckland!

I'm also in this situation. Did waiting solve the problem?

I didn’t get any interaction from Senter in the process - just two lots of emails saying my zip was wrong according to FedEx and they needed my details.
My address hadn’t changed from the original order, so I just reiterated (twice) that it was the correct address.

The second time I also included a screenshot from the NZ Post address/post code lookup showing my valid address early this morning. I guess this worked and FedEx were actually holding my package locally in NZ - not in China - as it arrived safe and sound and with no issues from customs today.

I also replied back but no update :(
Not having tracking number is so frustrating lol.
Guess I'll just have to wait.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Sealed for freshness on Wed, 27 October 2021, 16:56:32

I also replied back but no update :(
Not having tracking number is so frustrating lol.
Guess I'll just have to wait.

it is annoying yes!

Like I said, I had no response to any of my replies and I didn't get a tracking number either sent or on my order page...and it still turned up, so hopefully yours will be the same
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Sealed for freshness on Wed, 27 October 2021, 17:09:30
So my Light Green on Green WKL is assembled with Zealios 78g and ready for caps!

Will be waiting for my GMK Fox to arrive in Q1 22 for endgame, but have a cheapo white and green retro set on order for next week in the meantime.

Overall I am really happy with it! Great fit and finish. Only small "wish" would be a bit more weight. My Polaris is certainly heavier!

(https://i.imgur.com/HCWbpxO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PaPNcOh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ibAHeX1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RQSxveA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GecKW4l.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: neikels on Thu, 28 October 2021, 17:13:23
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Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: InsaneNemesis on Thu, 28 October 2021, 17:42:09
Received mine yesterday, i couldn't wait until the weekend to build it. Using GMK Hennessey until i get my Striker 2 keycaps.

(https://i.imgur.com/pxd6seM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Et80EyV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Et80EyV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dlYnbZD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/sbw9sNx.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/P3qT1jZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YLEblrS.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Sealed for freshness on Fri, 29 October 2021, 03:57:43
I have the PC version of the bottom case. I noticed these machining marks on the inside of it. Sadly these are visible from the outside. Is there any way to remove them?
Especially this black dot.

IMHO if you are not already experienced in trying to re-finish these kinds of materials, I would leave it well alone as you are almost certain to make it worse…

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Saru on Sat, 30 October 2021, 13:49:29
Received the Leaf65. Thank you for running the group buy, hope to post built pictures soon!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: byfuryattheheart on Sun, 31 October 2021, 15:34:57
Still waiting on that last batch to ship :/
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: ABlazinBlueToe on Mon, 01 November 2021, 15:23:59
Anybody that has built their Leaf: What do you think of the skeleton plate?  In your experience is it comparable to any other plate material?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: CookieFlow on Mon, 01 November 2021, 15:37:58
Sorry again if out of place but since they don't have a discord I might have a shot here (outside of /mm)

I'm still looking to trade a hotswap PCB for a solder one.

Excited to build mine once I find a solder PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: daev on Mon, 01 November 2021, 23:36:32
Great board.. love it...



Anyway, all my communication emails about address changes and what-not went to junk.  Imagine for moment if there was like a discord community or something where people could get news, talk about the products, share experience, etc. 

Lol, never mind, dumb idea.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: byfuryattheheart on Thu, 04 November 2021, 11:29:17
I'm someone still waiting on the last batch to ship. I sent an email to Senter and it sounds like they will be shipping this week. Just FYI for others in my situation!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: srhdt on Thu, 04 November 2021, 17:37:01
I'm someone still waiting on the last batch to ship. I sent an email to Senter and it sounds like they will be shipping this week. Just FYI for others in my situation!

Thanks, I'm in the same boat. Fingers crossed they ship this week and that there are no component issues when we get them!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Thu, 04 November 2021, 18:55:20
I'm someone still waiting on the last batch to ship. I sent an email to Senter and it sounds like they will be shipping this week. Just FYI for others in my situation!

Sent an email earlier this week too and Senter said they're shipping this week so hopefully we get ship email today/over the weekend!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Sun, 07 November 2021, 16:21:42
Hey guys has anyone in the last batch received shipping yet?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: byfuryattheheart on Sun, 07 November 2021, 21:50:56
Nope still waiting  :(

Also, I went with WK, but now I wish I had gone with WKL. If I find someone willing to swap, do I need to swap the PCB and plate, or just the top case?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: srhdt on Sun, 07 November 2021, 23:35:12
Update for the last batch crew. I didn't get an email from Senter, but I have it setup so that I can log onto my FedEx account and see any packages that are being delivered to my address from them, and I see that a label has been created about 90 minutes ago from China for a package.

I'm assuming this is the keyboard since I can't think of anything else it could be.

Edit: Just received my shipping notification from Fox Lab.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: byfuryattheheart on Mon, 08 November 2021, 10:58:58
Just received a shipping notification!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Mon, 08 November 2021, 22:25:12
Update: delayed again hooray - parts needed to be remade yet again
Is anyone else in this batch from the most recent update? Just a bit disappointed after being told the board would be shipped last week
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: cabeggar on Mon, 08 November 2021, 23:10:24
Update: delayed again hooray - parts needed to be remade yet again
Is anyone else in this batch from the most recent update? Just a bit disappointed after being told the board would be shipped last week

Just want to mention that mine was supposed to be in the last batch (around 200) based on an email update early October and already dellivered within the mentioned timeframe (mid October). It seems that the part issue in your order makes your situation rather peculiar.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Mon, 08 November 2021, 23:20:12
Update: delayed again hooray - parts needed to be remade yet again
Is anyone else in this batch from the most recent update? Just a bit disappointed after being told the board would be shipped last week

Just want to mention that mine was supposed to be in the last batch (around 200) based on an email update early October and already dellivered within the mentioned timeframe (mid October). It seems that the part issue in your order makes your situation rather peculiar.

Yeah I was in that last 200 batch email early October then got another email in late October saying parts needed to be remade
Was also confirmed it would be shipped the following week

Now just received another update today saying that parts will need to be remade again

Disappointing that these issues weren't caught/rectified earlier on but appreciate the Senter/the team wanting to provide a perfect product
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: HaX on Tue, 09 November 2021, 05:06:02
Same delay for me.

But it's no big deal. I'd rather my order gets shipped with everything working and not scuffed rather than get a defective piece and have to deal with additional shipping.

Same
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Tsumi on Tue, 09 November 2021, 08:51:42
Update: delayed again hooray - parts needed to be remade yet again
Is anyone else in this batch from the most recent update? Just a bit disappointed after being told the board would be shipped last week

Just want to mention that mine was supposed to be in the last batch (around 200) based on an email update early October and already dellivered within the mentioned timeframe (mid October). It seems that the part issue in your order makes your situation rather peculiar.

Yeah I was in that last 200 batch email early October then got another email in late October saying parts needed to be remade
Was also confirmed it would be shipped the following week

Now just received another update today saying that parts will need to be remade again

Disappointing that these issues weren't caught/rectified earlier on but appreciate the Senter/the team wanting to provide a perfect product
Also on Team "Last batch to ship > Last 50 needing parts remade > Last 10 needing parts remade again". It is what it is - at least we should be getting A+++ grade Leaf 65% as the parts are being meticulously QC'd.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Tue, 09 November 2021, 16:53:08
Update: delayed again hooray - parts needed to be remade yet again
Is anyone else in this batch from the most recent update? Just a bit disappointed after being told the board would be shipped last week

Just want to mention that mine was supposed to be in the last batch (around 200) based on an email update early October and already dellivered within the mentioned timeframe (mid October). It seems that the part issue in your order makes your situation rather peculiar.

Yeah I was in that last 200 batch email early October then got another email in late October saying parts needed to be remade
Was also confirmed it would be shipped the following week

Now just received another update today saying that parts will need to be remade again

Disappointing that these issues weren't caught/rectified earlier on but appreciate the Senter/the team wanting to provide a perfect product
Also on Team "Last batch to ship > Last 50 needing parts remade > Last 10 needing parts remade again". It is what it is - at least we should be getting A+++ grade Leaf 65% as the parts are being meticulously QC'd.

Haha glad I'm not the only one in this thread
Yeah bright side is that our units should be perfect
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Arithmetics on Tue, 09 November 2021, 22:51:58
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Tsumi on Fri, 12 November 2021, 12:34:50
New update!

Quote
Just want to let you know that the remade parts for your Leaf 65 turned out good. It has been packed and picked up today.
I should get and send over the tracking number next Monday.
Now we have shipped out all the Leaf 65 kits ordered in the GB.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Fri, 12 November 2021, 18:48:48
New update!

Quote
Just want to let you know that the remade parts for your Leaf 65 turned out good. It has been packed and picked up today.
I should get and send over the tracking number next Monday.
Now we have shipped out all the Leaf 65 kits ordered in the GB.

Got the same update lets go!!!!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: srhdt on Mon, 15 November 2021, 12:51:17
Built mine last night and really happy with how it turned out. Whole process was smooth, and no issues with any components!

- Lubed Durock v2 stabilizers
- Lubed Alpaca Linears switches
- GMK Blue Samurai keycaps

(https://i.imgur.com/Fyb2ygS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RlWwk2L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4qqeSlR.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: peaceperfection on Thu, 18 November 2021, 12:32:07
Does anyone know if the aluminum is 6061 or 6063? The material on my Leaf65 seems a little rough compared to my other boards.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 18 November 2021, 12:49:34
Does anyone know if the aluminum is 6061 or 6063? The material on my Leaf65 seems a little rough compared to my other boards.

good rule of thumb is every board is 6061 unless noted otherwise, this one included
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: byfuryattheheart on Fri, 19 November 2021, 13:26:01
I finally got around to putting my Leaf together. White top, red mid and black bottom. Looking to swap for a white WKL top if anyone is looking for a white WK!

(https://imgur.com/Nj5cDJm.jpeg)

(https://imgur.com/lm9gDsy.jpeg)
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: HaX on Mon, 22 November 2021, 15:26:55
Does additional pcb also come with extra daughter board?

Yes

Mine did not come with additional daughter boards for the extra pcbs I ordered.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Qeeke Studio™ on Mon, 22 November 2021, 21:32:18
Idol products
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Pichiew on Fri, 26 November 2021, 17:05:18
My leaf came today but I wasn't sent a skeleton plate :(
Got sent a standard pink alu one by the looks of it

Anyone else in the final batch not get a skeleton plate?

Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: FlaminFingers on Tue, 30 November 2021, 23:24:10
Does anyone know a rough estimate when plate files will be released for the Leaf65? I got my leaf65 but I'm waiting on the files so I can build an Alps leaf65. I messaged Senter but no response on any platform (GH and Insta).
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: noodleman on Fri, 03 December 2021, 09:35:04
since the via layout file was quite barebones, I updated it to have layout options for backspace, leftshift and the bottom row.  I tested it on mine and I think i mapped all the keys correctly.

feel free use this and add to it for iso enter.  I omitted it since the plate doesn't support it.
[attachurl=1]
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: HaX on Mon, 13 December 2021, 18:30:02
No response to my emails. Still wondering about the missing daughter boards for the extra pcbs
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Kookiekurls on Tue, 14 December 2021, 12:41:28
Hello, I had a faulty PCB. It got really hot when plugging it in and burned my hand when I was testing it. I'm not sure if the issue was the PCB or the daughterboard. I'm trying to see if I can get a replacement, but my emails haven't been responded to. Wanted to check here to see what I can do?

Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: johanne_ on Sat, 25 December 2021, 00:01:54
anyone here selling extra fr4 plates? i forgot to add in the plate for fr4 back when i ordered in the GB and was wondering if anyone has one that they are not using.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Curin Derwin on Sat, 25 December 2021, 13:11:16
Does additional pcb also come with extra daughter board?

Yes

@Senter, are we able to obtain/purchase an extra daughterboard? My extra PCB did *not* come with an extra daughterboard.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: callidumnomen on Mon, 03 January 2022, 23:59:01
Has anyone been able to get the 2nd daughter board for the extra pcb orders that only shipped with one?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: DERBS on Mon, 17 January 2022, 21:22:50
Anyone know if the plate files will be released?
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: HaX on Wed, 19 January 2022, 07:19:48
Has anyone been able to get the 2nd daughter board for the extra pcb orders that only shipped with one?

I haven’t. All my emails have been ignored about it.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Curin Derwin on Mon, 31 January 2022, 20:27:17
Has anyone been able to get the 2nd daughter board for the extra pcb orders that only shipped with one?

I haven’t. All my emails have been ignored about it.

Seconded. All of my emails have been left unresponded.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: leodev on Sun, 20 March 2022, 20:53:38
Anyone know if the plate files will be released?
Its available in their discord server now its in his links.
Title: Re: [GB] Fox Lab - Leaf 65% | Closed
Post by: Andrewwww on Sat, 23 April 2022, 09:59:52
Anyone know if the plate files will be released?
Its available in their discord server now its in his links.
Do you have a link to their discord server?
Just found the link