It's 87-key, rather than 86-key, but I would recommend starting with a KUL ES-87 with MX Clears. They should be in stock at EliteKeyboards and MechanicalKeyboards. If I had started with that, I probably wouldn't have needed to go through SO many keyboards to find what I liked. :)
Get a Poker with clears and get expedited shipping! :thumb:
Perfect,thanks.
I'm embarrassed to ask this as I'm sure it's laughably noobish
What is "GMK" and what is the difference between a "double shot" and say a "dolce"?
Thanks all, very helpful.
Would it be a mistake in your opinion to start out with something like a Realforce 87u? Seems like I might lock myself into a corner as far as key upgrades. (I want black, but want the std keys a lighter color)
Do they make one that has function keys and arrow keys?Thanks all, very helpful.
Would it be a mistake in your opinion to start out with something like a Realforce 87u? Seems like I might lock myself into a corner as far as key upgrades. (I want black, but want the std keys a lighter color)
If you're going Topre, just get a HHKB and make yourself happy with your endgame keyboard. :D
Do they make one that has function keys and arrow keys?Thanks all, very helpful.
Would it be a mistake in your opinion to start out with something like a Realforce 87u? Seems like I might lock myself into a corner as far as key upgrades. (I want black, but want the std keys a lighter color)
If you're going Topre, just get a HHKB and make yourself happy with your endgame keyboard. :D
Do they make one that has function keys and arrow keys?Thanks all, very helpful.
Would it be a mistake in your opinion to start out with something like a Realforce 87u? Seems like I might lock myself into a corner as far as key upgrades. (I want black, but want the std keys a lighter color)
If you're going Topre, just get a HHKB and make yourself happy with your endgame keyboard. :D
Once you start using the HHKB, and dedicate yourself to using it, you don't need dedicated keys for those. Their placement on the function layer, and the way you access them, is so logical and natural, that you have no trouble adapting.
I've narrowed down to either the Realforce silent, KUL clear, or Ducky Premier blue... (yes I realize they're all different)
Elitekeyboard's recent newsletter said the 55g Realforces will be shipping out before August 5th. 55g Topre is my favorite switch and I would recommend the 55g Realforce over any other board, but that's purely a matter of preference :DNoooooooooo!
45g Topre is still very nice. I've never tried variable or silent, so I can't comment on that.
Not that there is anything wrong with brown switches, as I use them now and then, but I still recommend the clears over browns. The tactile bump is more pronounced, and the springs have a unique force curve that is arguably the best of all MX switches. To some people, browns feel almost linear, but with a distasteful feeling like a grain of sand at the tactile bump (actuation). I've never heard any complaints in that vein with clears.
An SSK fits in that price range.
I would want to start over and buy it, just so that I wouldn't have an internal fight with myself every time I see a listing.
An SSK fits in that price range.
I would want to start over and buy it, just so that I wouldn't have an internal fight with myself every time I see a listing.
Sorry, buts what's an "SSK"?
An SSK fits in that price range.
I would want to start over and buy it, just so that I wouldn't have an internal fight with myself every time I see a listing.
Sorry, buts what's an "SSK"?
Have fun! (http://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_Space_Saving_Keyboard)
An SSK fits in that price range.
I would want to start over and buy it, just so that I wouldn't have an internal fight with myself every time I see a listing.
Sorry, buts what's an "SSK"?
Have fun! (http://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_Space_Saving_Keyboard)
An SSK fits in that price range.
I would want to start over and buy it, just so that I wouldn't have an internal fight with myself every time I see a listing.
Sorry, buts what's an "SSK"?
Have fun! (http://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_Space_Saving_Keyboard)
What have you done?!
You've destroyed his life now. First it's going to be just the keyboard, then it's going to be bolt modding, then some mods, and before you know it, he's trying to buy a spumoni for $800.
You have sent this man on a dark path.
I can't find "Spumoni", I assume it's a member here that does something cool.
Also, I just changed my order from browns, to clears...
I can't find "Spumoni", I assume it's a member here that does something cool.
Also, I just changed my order from browns, to clears... Yup, I'm hooked.
lol, The need for nostalgia hasn't hit yet. I spent many years of my career on those old IBMs... I also threw away at least 6- model M's (NIB) when we moved in 2003.
Sacrilege, I know... In my defense, I thought "who would ever want these monsters" (now I know) :fail
I can't find "Spumoni", I assume it's a member here that does something cool.You did say if we could start over, what would we choose, and I would have chosen clears. :)
Also, I just changed my order from browns, to clears...
I can't find "Spumoni", I assume it's a member here that does something cool.You did say if we could start over, what would we choose, and I would have chosen clears. :)
Also, I just changed my order from browns, to clears...
That's why I changed...
How about keys for this sucker, where can I get the PBT caps in a reasonable time?
These??
http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&page=2&manufacturer_id=13&product_id=59
I'm really liking these, but they're pricey for not being GMK, no?
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets/products/bsp-classic-beige
I'm really liking these, but they're pricey for not being GMK, no?
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets/products/bsp-classic-beige
No, those are thick PBT dyesub by the same company that did the classic dyesub for Cherry Corp.
But don't be biased against ABS, just because it is the current 'group think.' Thick double shot ABS made by GMK are my absolute favorite.
That BSP PBT won't fit an 87 key, doesn't include a spacebar, and is generally kind of "meh" in terms of overall QC and product.
This set here is GMK and one of the few ABS products I lust over. (http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets/products/ski-data)
I would keep your eye out here for sets of GMK ABS, used IMSTO PBT sets, or something like these bad boys (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PBT-Keycap-Set-for-Cherry-MX-based-Leopold-Keyboards-Front-Face-Englih-Black-/281377716241?afsrc=1) if you wanted blanks/ninja side printing.
Main two points I look for in a keycap set-
- Cherry profile (lower than stock Filco, Ducky, CM keycaps, I find them more ergonomic)
- Thick keywalls (sound of your keyboard is determined by several factors, one of which is the mass of the keys on it)
Just be warned about buying from Sherry aka originative.
Some people have been saying that they are hit and miss and well I guess there is a reason why they don't have a vendor forum anymore.
Me personally, I have had a good experience with Sherry, but that was for just one order I made.
That BSP PBT won't fit an 87 key, doesn't include a spacebar, and is generally kind of "meh" in terms of overall QC and product.
This set here is GMK and one of the few ABS products I lust over. (http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets/products/ski-data)
I would keep your eye out here for sets of GMK ABS, used IMSTO PBT sets, or something like these bad boys (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PBT-Keycap-Set-for-Cherry-MX-based-Leopold-Keyboards-Front-Face-Englih-Black-/281377716241?afsrc=1) if you wanted blanks/ninja side printing.
Main two points I look for in a keycap set-
- Cherry profile (lower than stock Filco, Ducky, CM keycaps, I find them more ergonomic)
- Thick keywalls (sound of your keyboard is determined by several factors, one of which is the mass of the keys on it)
FWIW, I've never had any issues ordering from Originative. I know some people have had issues with getting their items in a timely fashion, but that has never been my personal experience.
Ok, thanks everyone. I'm going to grab the charred orange set then.
I can't find "Spumoni", I assume it's a member here that does something cool.
Also, I just changed my order from browns, to clears... Yup, I'm hooked.
Here, it's a one of a kind Buckling Spring Click ClackShow Image(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=59400.0;attach=68175;image)
No one really knows what it's worth, but it's one of a kind from Clack, so it must be bajillions.
If I could start all over, I would buy nothing.
If I could start all over, I would buy nothing.
And I would use linux for everything instead of windows 7.
I received the KUL today with clears. The clears are a bit heavy for my liking. I hope I can get use to it...or I'll be ordering something else soon. (I should have stuck with browns)Don't give up yet! You just got it. Use it for a month before you do anything rash. I didn't like clears (or reds or blacks) the first time I used them, either.
I received the KUL today with clears. The clears are a bit heavy for my liking. I hope I can get use to it...or I'll be ordering something else soon. (I should have stuck with browns)Don't give up yet! You just got it. Use it for a month before you do anything rash. I didn't like clears (or reds or blacks) the first time I used them, either.
You really have to give clears some time as you need to adjust your typing habits to the mechanics of the switch.I received the KUL today with clears. The clears are a bit heavy for my liking. I hope I can get use to it...or I'll be ordering something else soon. (I should have stuck with browns)Don't give up yet! You just got it. Use it for a month before you do anything rash. I didn't like clears (or reds or blacks) the first time I used them, either.
I'll give it at least a month. I found a board at work that had blacks in it, I didn't like the linear feel at all. So I think I'm restricted to blues/browns/clears.
I also received shipping confirmation on my charred orange GMK from Originative, should be here on Saturday.
The Originative charred orange set came yesterday, one thing is already driving me crazy... I don't like the lack of a "bump" on the F and J keys... Guess I'm being difficult, but I'm having thoughts that I would have been better served with the Realforce board to begin with.
The Originative charred orange set came yesterday, one thing is already driving me crazy... I don't like the lack of a "bump" on the F and J keys... Guess I'm being difficult, but I'm having thoughts that I would have been better served with the Realforce board to begin with.
The Originative charred orange set came yesterday, one thing is already driving me crazy... I don't like the lack of a "bump" on the F and J keys... Guess I'm being difficult, but I'm having thoughts that I would have been better served with the Realforce board to begin with.
But you've got scoops!! Scoops are the best. :D
lol, I'm also in serious need of a wrist rest. This is getting expensive for a guy who just wanted a good keyboard. Its starting to dig into my other hobby budget.
lol, I'm also in serious need of a wrist rest. This is getting expensive for a guy who just wanted a good keyboard. Its starting to dig into my other hobby budget.
Abandon all hope of other hobbies!
Next up you'll need a custom cable ;)
lol, I'm also in serious need of a wrist rest. This is getting expensive for a guy who just wanted a good keyboard. Its starting to dig into my other hobby budget.
Abandon all hope of other hobbies!
Next up you'll need a custom cable ;)
My wife would prefer me abandoning the RC helis... I spend more in batteries than a table full of keyboards.
Okay, I'm throwing in the towel. Today is my first full day of working withe the KUL w/clears, and Originative charred orange keys.
The Originative keys look AWESOME, but I hate the feel... I simply cannot get use to the cupped "F" and "J" keys (its an old dog, new tricks thing)
They keyboard itself is also a very high quality build, but the clears are just too tight. I'm spending far too much time re-typing missed characters.
Off to order the Realforce 87u...
My biggest problem, is that I cannot re-sell this KUL or the Originative keycaps until I've been here 60 days... which means I have to explain to the wife why I need another $250 for a keyboard :-(
Okay, I'm throwing in the towel. Today is my first full day of working withe the KUL w/clears, and Originative charred orange keys.
The Originative keys look AWESOME, but I hate the feel... I simply cannot get use to the cupped "F" and "J" keys (its an old dog, new tricks thing)
They keyboard itself is also a very high quality build, but the clears are just too tight. I'm spending far too much time re-typing missed characters.
Off to order the Realforce 87u...
My biggest problem, is that I cannot re-sell this KUL or the Originative keycaps until I've been here 60 days... which means I have to explain to the wife why I need another $250 for a keyboard :-(
Bummer you're not liking the clears. They're perfect for me. What is it about the scoops you don't like on the Originative keycaps? I was thinking about ordering a set from them.