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Title: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Doubleshot Sublegends!
Post by: BeesKeys on Tue, 05 March 2024, 12:39:19
GB LIVE (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=122894.0)

(https://i.imgur.com/jN9gSVK.jpeg)

Now with Doubleshot Sublegends!

(https://i.imgur.com/QVk4DKe.jpeg)



Inspiration

ZX takes inspiration from the classic Sinclair ZX Spectrum - Incorporating the bright colors and grey keycaps to your modern board.

Along with bringing you the more sculpted typing experience using Cherry R0 & R5

(https://assetsio.reedpopcdn.com/when-kickstarters-go-bad-chasing-down-the-recreated-zx-spectrum-1467906763429.jpg?width=690&quality=75&format=jpg&auto=webp)

(https://i.imgur.com/anjPcN1.png) (https://forms.gle/qHHgdP8iwuxK3XWM6)




Kitting

(https://i.imgur.com/IPAhETQ.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JDVVS7J.jpeg)

Non-UV Printed Alphas have been removed due to GMK confirming the sub legends will be doubleshot!



Deskmat

(https://i.imgur.com/exaJddp.jpeg)



Colors

(https://i.imgur.com/fGfeUyW.png)



Row Comparison

(https://i.imgur.com/T3ZwXSU.jpeg)



Metal Artisan Collab
R0 Collaboration with MVKB & Salvun

(https://i.imgur.com/mI3cnV4.png)



Renders

(https://i.imgur.com/bvLWNkk.jpeg)
Event Horizon by MVKB

(https://i.imgur.com/aBtulAS.jpeg)

Model13 by Plyktra

(https://i.imgur.com/rQNCeMH.jpeg)
Austin by DriftMechanics

(https://i.imgur.com/YWaNB3K.jpeg)

Austin by DriftMechanics



(https://i.imgur.com/anjPcN1.png) (https://forms.gle/qHHgdP8iwuxK3XWM6)

(https://i.imgur.com/nr6rijR.png) (https://discord.gg/hKwY5kN2DY)

Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: Afresh on Tue, 05 March 2024, 12:40:54
Looks good! Good luck boys :)
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: xLeHoy on Tue, 05 March 2024, 12:41:35
Looking nice. GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: dededecline on Tue, 05 March 2024, 12:42:29
Is this GMK? The colors and R0/R5 would indicate as much but it’s not explicitly said.
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: spikedsynapse on Tue, 05 March 2024, 12:42:42
I like it a lot!
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: cthalupa on Tue, 05 March 2024, 12:46:34
Is this GMK? The colors and R0/R5 would indicate as much but it’s not explicitly said.
Potentially. We're considering our options - there's been some interest expressed from other manus getting R0/R5 molds made and they're also OK color matching to stock GMK colors, but we've not finalized vendors or manus at this time.

I've also got spectrophotometer scans for all the stock colors and we'll be going hard on color matching if we do end up pursuing an option besides GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: MoltenKhor on Tue, 05 March 2024, 12:58:54
I'm totally in for this one  :D
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 05 March 2024, 13:25:30
Cool looking set. I'd be inclined to get it if it's through GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: Manukbs_ on Tue, 05 March 2024, 13:28:05
Yes yes yes yes
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: bigdonnerz on Tue, 05 March 2024, 13:50:57
Why are you doing an IC and posting kitting when you haven't picked a manu. Also if you go GMK do moulds for this set exist already?
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: ankit on Tue, 05 March 2024, 14:04:35
Would you consider replacing the 1.5u backspace legend from "<- Back" to "Backspace", it's usually the preferred legend choice.
Are the sublegends going to be pad/UV print or doubleshot?
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: cthalupa on Tue, 05 March 2024, 14:09:37
Why are you doing an IC and posting kitting when you haven't picked a manu. Also if you go GMK do moulds for this set exist already?
Lots of reasons! :)

Feedback on the manufacturer is actually really valuable, which we're already seeing - both in posts in here and in the IC form. Some people are specifically interested if we run it with GMK and not interested if we don't. That's going to factor in on decisions we make.

The kitting is largely independent of the manufacturer - we want a proper R0/R5 set with compatibility for the most common boards that can take advantage of it. If we end up working with a manu where molds need to be made, then we'll be setting the kitting. If we go with GMK, we believe our kitting should match the molds used in other R0/R5 sets, and if there are any mistakes on that front we will adjust as necessary prior to the GB.

Getting feedback on kitting in general is valuable. There's a lot of keyboards out there with a lot of layout considerations, and the extra eyes can help us catch things we missed.

Yes, GMK has R0/R5 molds. To my knowledge the only sets that have run with R0 and R5 have been GMK, e.g. Carbon https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96488.0 , ASCII https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103218.0 , iris, some extension kits, etc. You can see a list of GMK molds in the PDF at https://uniqey.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360008759900-Designing-a-Custom-GMK-Keycap-Set-Guide
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: cthalupa on Tue, 05 March 2024, 14:13:05
Would you consider replacing the 1.5u backspace legend from "<- Back" to "Backspace", it's usually the preferred legend choice.
Are the sublegends going to be pad/UV print or doubleshot?
I'll check with Beesley on the backspace. (Edit: Yep, we'll make this change.)

Sublegends will depend on the manu. We've not ruled out dyesub at this time, but if the set ends up being doubleshot in general the sublegends will likely be pad/UV print.
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: baekihyun on Tue, 05 March 2024, 14:30:03
R0/R5 :cool: Would highly prefer if the subs ended up being doubleshot, set looks great though!
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: fruitykeeb on Tue, 05 March 2024, 14:34:07
We chatting in texmechs about this, but just logging my interest for 3-key 40s and Alice bars :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: cthalupa on Tue, 05 March 2024, 14:34:27
R0/R5 :cool: Would highly prefer if the subs ended up being doubleshot, set looks great though!

These would require a whole lot of new molds to do doubleshot sublegends, unfortunately, which would be very cost prohibitive. Also probably a pretty significant rework to meet the tolerance requirements.
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: baekihyun on Tue, 05 March 2024, 14:38:59
R0/R5 :cool: Would highly prefer if the subs ended up being doubleshot, set looks great though!

These would require a whole lot of new molds to do doubleshot sublegends, unfortunately, which would be very cost prohibitive. Also probably a pretty significant rework to meet the tolerance requirements.

Yeah I realize that :( Just not a fan of uv/pad print personally, might be worth considering a separate alphas kit without the pad print (front print is fine)? All up to demand/pricing though, I realize I'm in the minority about this
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 05 March 2024, 14:58:41
Would you consider replacing the 1.5u backspace legend from "<- Back" to "Backspace", it's usually the preferred legend choice.
Are the sublegends going to be pad/UV print or doubleshot?

Glad that ankit suggested this change - I didn't notice it at first. Glad it'll be changed!

Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 05 March 2024, 15:11:44
A proper R0 to R5 kit in a banging colorway! Well sign my ass up LOL! Seriously though I really like this design & the vintage vibes to keep on theme a lot! I'd be down for this in GMK or Keykobo TBH.
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: mgsickler on Tue, 05 March 2024, 16:58:10
Count me in if it’s GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 05 March 2024, 18:16:06
might be the one r5 set i'll bend on... hopefully there's some room for 40s and more bars
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: paperassgasket on Tue, 05 March 2024, 20:12:33
Feels disingenuous to have set based on a tiny keyboard that lacks tiny keyboard compatibility
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: Patty on Tue, 05 March 2024, 20:38:07
IC filled! I know this was mentioned already but would also love to see alice support!
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: involuntarysoul on Tue, 05 March 2024, 20:49:27
any chance for monotone N9 alt alpha?

could be a great alternative for Boneyard/Nines enjoyer
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: BeesKeys on Wed, 06 March 2024, 00:24:10
40s community has spoken and 3 key 40's has been added. Also added a spacebar kit.
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: cthalupa on Wed, 06 March 2024, 00:26:20
Astute observers might notice an additional change, too.... Like a certain German manufacturer being labeled in the images :)
(Edit: And the title now too)
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: cthalupa on Wed, 06 March 2024, 00:48:54
any chance for monotone N9 alt alpha?

could be a great alternative for Boneyard/Nines enjoyer

I think we'd need to see a decent amount of interest to consider it. It's not great building out child kits, having people purchase based on the expectation those hit MOQ, etc., and then have them not reach it or force vendors to do a buyout for it to reach MOQ, so we really only want to do things we believe will hit MOQ naturally.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Wed, 06 March 2024, 00:51:08
Astute observers might notice an additional change, too.... Like a certain German manufacturer being labeled in the images :)
(Edit: And the title now too)
Good choice. Def going to be in on this one
Title: Re: [IC] ZX
Post by: DirtyGingy on Wed, 06 March 2024, 07:04:25
This set looks amazing. My only concern are the legends. I love the look, but if any top legending is done with UV or pad printing, I'm out.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: vhaarr on Wed, 06 March 2024, 08:03:10
I think we'd need to see a decent amount of interest to consider it. It's not great building out child kits, having people purchase based on the expectation those hit MOQ, etc., and then have them not reach it or force vendors to do a buyout for it to reach MOQ, so we really only want to do things we believe will hit MOQ naturally.

I mean I won't even dare ask for NorDeUk, but I'd definitely buy it :-P

Needs a different desk mat though.

That said if I was to give any feedback here it's that I really think the set is missing proper sublegends for the numpad. The official ZX spectrum numpad definitely had some really weird choices in the numpad layout and functions, and I think they deserve to be reflected in this set. Even though they're crazy af LOL
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: HubertThemad on Wed, 06 March 2024, 09:23:44
GLWIC, Beesley. Would love to pick this up since I'm out of grey GMKs  :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 06 March 2024, 10:37:52
This is superb. Looking forward to it.

I’d buy any R0 R5 gmk set that runs as I like it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: Zyrophr on Wed, 06 March 2024, 10:51:21
Dope
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 06 March 2024, 11:41:44
all in. excited!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: Necrolegion on Wed, 06 March 2024, 14:05:26
I dig it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: CryosFear on Wed, 06 March 2024, 15:21:40
R1 1U Backspace? I'm so in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 06 March 2024, 16:03:02
Nice inspiration and nice realization. The kitting's pretty on point too. I'll be keeping an eye on this one.

R1 1U Backspace? I'm so in.
Lol, I was just about to say that key is pretty unnecessary, but it looks like at least someone cares about it :P
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: sirieous on Wed, 06 March 2024, 16:16:57
Looks pretty neat
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: Little4Real on Wed, 06 March 2024, 16:17:52
I really hope the subs are double-shot. I haven't been interested in a GMK set in a very long time until these, but if they're UV printed, I'm out.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: cthalupa on Wed, 06 March 2024, 16:22:37
So, the subs unfortunately *have* to be UV printed. They are not workable in doubleshot, even if it was somehow economically viable for us to get that many new molds. There are just too many areas that are too fine in detail or have to small of a radius for them to be possible within the doubleshot mold guidelines.

Now, I want to be clear I'm not promising anything here, and this is purely to try and get a better understanding of the concerns and gauge the interest in potential solutions, but:

If an alternative alphas kit was offered without top sublegends, would this be acceptable? Would you still want the front print legends, or for those to also be removed?


(Also, what is the general concern with UV printed sublegends? I'm typing this on a GMK set with UV sublegends right now and think it's quite nice. Durability concerns? The slightly raised feel of the sublegends when typing?)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: tactilesbad on Wed, 06 March 2024, 16:48:00
never gotten the hate for UV print, GMK's at least. they last immensely longer than the surface texture on their caps. my griseann printed subs have been holding up for years unscathed

not sure if people crying for UV print ever even experienced it
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: aicyborg on Wed, 06 March 2024, 19:07:21
ZX Spectrum is a specifically UK thing and not having UK keys in base for this really sucks. Please consider adding UK support - it's like six keys and it literally suits your theme so well.

Clive would want it.  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: nickthaskater on Wed, 06 March 2024, 20:24:09
This would have been such a good SP SA set. RIP.

Still, very nice. IC filled.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Thu, 07 March 2024, 00:03:07
a set featuring both r0 and r5. wowza
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: BeesKeys on Thu, 07 March 2024, 02:31:37
Added a no top UV print alpha option for those that dislike them.

EDIT: UK ISO also added to base kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: shadewind on Thu, 07 March 2024, 04:49:13
Any chance of R3 Home key for us 75% users who like Home/End right above the arrow keys?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: tactilesbad on Thu, 07 March 2024, 08:19:48
I'd rather have alice support in base than those 6 UK keys that 99% of the buyers will never use
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: cthalupa on Thu, 07 March 2024, 08:40:35
I'd rather have alice support in base than those 6 UK keys that 99% of the buyers will never use
We've had significantly more IC/etc. responses asking for UK support than alice support at all, even before we made the bars kit. And while the ZX Spectrum line didn't have UK legends like this on them, we are sympathetic to the argument that with a set that takes inspiration from a British electronics company has some specific kinship with UK legends.

And... practical reality is that bars kits meet MOQ, a full international kit with the gradient is a pain and likely wouldn't meet MOQ, and a UK ISO specific kit would be a pricing nightmare.

Every change we make is going to have competing interests so we've got to try and strike a balance that makes the most sense between "Supports the largest number of people," "Stuff that can feasibly hit MOQ and get made," and "Keeps pricing reasonable."
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: MartinThePolarBear on Thu, 07 March 2024, 10:55:11
That Deskmat goes so unbelievably hard. I love everything about this

Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: AMZ on Thu, 07 March 2024, 15:08:47
Count me in!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: Woovie on Thu, 07 March 2024, 18:19:12
I'm absolutely fine buying bars kit for my Alice, great work on the updates, much more tempting of a set now.  :eek: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: aicyborg on Thu, 07 March 2024, 19:12:28
THANK YOU for adding UK keys (also thank you for ignoring the smelly post running counter-interference to it).

I am definitely in now that UK has been added.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: JQ27 on Sun, 10 March 2024, 12:21:23
And while the ZX Spectrum line didn't have UK legends like this on them, we are sympathetic to the argument that with a set that takes inspiration from a British electronics company has some specific kinship with UK legends.

Based. I'm in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: tactilesbad on Tue, 12 March 2024, 03:39:07
And while the ZX Spectrum line didn't have UK legends like this on them, we are sympathetic to the argument that with a set that takes inspiration from a British electronics company has some specific kinship with UK legends
if they were never there, it makes no sense. just admit you're arbitrarily forcing 6 regional keys without physical coverage reasons instead of passing it off as a tribute to something that didn't even exist lmao
also offering 4key 40 support in base while relegating shorter bars to a separate kit is pretty disingenuous
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: BeesKeys on Tue, 12 March 2024, 05:09:03
And while the ZX Spectrum line didn't have UK legends like this on them, we are sympathetic to the argument that with a set that takes inspiration from a British electronics company has some specific kinship with UK legends
if they were never there, it makes no sense. just admit you're arbitrarily forcing 6 regional keys without physical coverage reasons instead of passing it off as a tribute to something that didn't even exist lmao
also offering 4key 40 support in base while relegating shorter bars to a separate kit is pretty disingenuous

We are still working on the kitting trying to find a way to keep most people happy, but end of the day someone people are not going to be happy with the kitting. We will update once we have settled on the best options, but until then letting us know through the IC form lets us keep track of these requests.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: whysoda on Tue, 12 March 2024, 13:15:36
This is unrelated to the conversation at hand, but I really love the colors selected for the stripes! It's such a fun burst of color :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: cthalupa on Wed, 13 March 2024, 12:56:53
And while the ZX Spectrum line didn't have UK legends like this on them, we are sympathetic to the argument that with a set that takes inspiration from a British electronics company has some specific kinship with UK legends
if they were never there, it makes no sense. just admit you're arbitrarily forcing 6 regional keys without physical coverage reasons instead of passing it off as a tribute to something that didn't even exist lmao
also offering 4key 40 support in base while relegating shorter bars to a separate kit is pretty disingenuous

You left out perhaps the most important part of the post you quoted: "We've had significantly more IC/etc. responses asking for UK support than alice support at all, even before we made the bars kit."

To make it completely unambiguous: The primary reason we did this because there was enough IC demand. We're also sympathetic to the argument about Sinclair Research being a British company, but it is a secondary reason.

As for 4-key 40s support, again, people asked for it in the IC. Neither Beesley or I are 40s users so we're going off what people ask for here, because they know their keyboards better than either of us do. My understanding is there are several varieties of 40s layouts that can make use of 6.25U spacebars, and I have seen people using the the larger shifts as their spacebars as well (though that would admittedly be a bit weird here with the R4/R5 split.) We have a lot of IC responses asking for 4-key 40s, to the point where it tipped the balance on demand vs. cost while also accounting for the fact extended 40s kits struggle to meet MOQ and a separate 4-key kit would not be economically feasible because of how pricing works and likely end up in the same boat. If meeting one of the most common requests in our IC form is disingenuous, I'm not sure what to say.

I don't want this to get contentious, but misquoting us and picking fights isn't going to get kitting changed - we're not having a debate where the winner, on style or substance, gets their way. We have to make reasoned decisions based on customer demand, price, MOQ concerns, etc. A lot of designer's lives would involve a lot less stress if it was possible to make everyone happy, but it isn't. We're doing what we can to the best of our ability to make the most people happy. Unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing in our power we can do to make everyone happy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: _rubik on Wed, 13 March 2024, 12:58:45
I really am a sucker for retro inspiration. Keeping an on this one
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: aicyborg on Wed, 13 March 2024, 19:33:00
And while the ZX Spectrum line didn't have UK legends like this on them, we are sympathetic to the argument that with a set that takes inspiration from a British electronics company has some specific kinship with UK legends
if they were never there, it makes no sense. just admit you're arbitrarily forcing 6 regional keys without physical coverage reasons instead of passing it off as a tribute to something that didn't even exist lmao
also offering 4key 40 support in base while relegating shorter bars to a separate kit is pretty disingenuous

You left out perhaps the most important part of the post you quoted: "We've had significantly more IC/etc. responses asking for UK support than alice support at all, even before we made the bars kit."

To make it completely unambiguous: The primary reason we did this because there was enough IC demand. We're also sympathetic to the argument about Sinclair Research being a British company, but it is a secondary reason.

As for 4-key 40s support, again, people asked for it in the IC. Neither Beesley or I are 40s users so we're going off what people ask for here, because they know their keyboards better than either of us do. My understanding is there are several varieties of 40s layouts that can make use of 6.25U spacebars, and I have seen people using the the larger shifts as their spacebars as well (though that would admittedly be a bit weird here with the R4/R5 split.) We have a lot of IC responses asking for 4-key 40s, to the point where it tipped the balance on demand vs. cost while also accounting for the fact extended 40s kits struggle to meet MOQ and a separate 4-key kit would not be economically feasible because of how pricing works and likely end up in the same boat. If meeting one of the most common requests in our IC form is disingenuous, I'm not sure what to say.

I don't want this to get contentious, but misquoting us and picking fights isn't going to get kitting changed - we're not having a debate where the winner, on style or substance, gets their way. We have to make reasoned decisions based on customer demand, price, MOQ concerns, etc. A lot of designer's lives would involve a lot less stress if it was possible to make everyone happy, but it isn't. We're doing what we can to the best of our ability to make the most people happy. Unfortunately, there is absolutely nothing in our power we can do to make everyone happy.

You're a brave person for tackling that seriously.

The person you replied to represents a subset of users whom have decided their hill to die on is that literally any international support is bad if it doesn't also support every other region (I think; or something else equally questionable). You can check their posting history, a proportion of it is to not provide feedback on ICs but instead brow-beat and demean others requesting regional layout coverage in kits. It's unhelpful at best and trolling at worst. To counter it, all I can do is try to drum up interest from others whom I know that use ISO-UK and help you get positive feeedback to... uh, I guess, "counter-counter" it.

I hope that you are able to keep UK in base. Personally I'm excited for this. Thank you for fighting my corner personally. :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: tactilesbad on Thu, 14 March 2024, 04:19:26
You're a brave person for tackling that seriously.

oof. bold of someone whose only contribution to the forum is being a "UK ISO in base pls" text bot
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: JQ27 on Thu, 14 March 2024, 05:56:59
You're a brave person for tackling that seriously.

oof. bold of someone whose only contribution to the forum is being a "UK ISO in base pls" text bot

If you don't ask, you never get.

Where's the harm in asking?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: tactilesbad on Thu, 14 March 2024, 06:11:09
If you don't ask, you never get.

Where's the harm in asking?

no harm in asking, this is why I very much did so, suggesting to drop the UK keys in favor of alice bars, I think it's a legitimate point to be made?
it's kinda double sided labeling that as "trolling" while an identical, but opposite, request is welcomed and encouraged.

thanks to the designers for approaching the matter with seriousness though, even if we disagree.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: JQ27 on Thu, 14 March 2024, 06:26:46
If you don't ask, you never get.

Where's the harm in asking?

no harm in asking, this is why I very much did so, suggesting to drop the UK keys in favor of alice bars, I think it's a legitimate point to be made?
it's kinda double sided labeling that as "trolling" while an identical, but opposite, request is welcomed and encouraged.

thanks to the designers for approaching the matter with seriousness though, even if we disagree.

Time to make GMK Regal base kit the norm
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: Nevrest on Thu, 14 March 2024, 11:28:36
If you don't ask, you never get.

Where's the harm in asking?

no harm in asking, this is why I very much did so, suggesting to drop the UK keys in favor of alice bars, I think it's a legitimate point to be made?
it's kinda double sided labeling that as "trolling" while an identical, but opposite, request is welcomed and encouraged.

thanks to the designers for approaching the matter with seriousness though, even if we disagree.

Time to make GMK Regal base kit the norm

I think the little extras, like ISO support, spacebars for alice and 40's/split BS are nice to add in with basekits.
Mainly because you will get more people interested that way, and I think you will attract more people than you'd discourage by adding it.
Because of that, if I was running a set I'd add those things, even if it might add $5-10 on the base set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: tactilesbad on Thu, 14 March 2024, 12:06:18
If you don't ask, you never get.

Where's the harm in asking?

no harm in asking, this is why I very much did so, suggesting to drop the UK keys in favor of alice bars, I think it's a legitimate point to be made?
it's kinda double sided labeling that as "trolling" while an identical, but opposite, request is welcomed and encouraged.

thanks to the designers for approaching the matter with seriousness though, even if we disagree.

Time to make GMK Regal base kit the norm

unironically. makes no sense to me to bend over backwards to scrape $10 off a basekit price then relegating widely used keys to $30-ish child kits.
but then again, even regal has 6 extra keys that could be easily sacrificed  ;D /s
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: JQ27 on Thu, 14 March 2024, 12:21:37
If you don't ask, you never get.

Where's the harm in asking?

no harm in asking, this is why I very much did so, suggesting to drop the UK keys in favor of alice bars, I think it's a legitimate point to be made?
it's kinda double sided labeling that as "trolling" while an identical, but opposite, request is welcomed and encouraged.

thanks to the designers for approaching the matter with seriousness though, even if we disagree.

Time to make GMK Regal base kit the norm

unironically. makes no sense to me to bend over backwards to scrape $10 off a basekit price then relegating widely used keys to $30-ish child kits.
but then again, even regal has 6 extra keys that could be easily sacrificed  ;D /s

This is where I feel by making a child kit actually worth getting. Add in accent spacebars, throw in windowed keys etc etc. Make it more than 'just' a kit with spacebars and make it worth the cost.

Also, I mainly just point the finger at GMK for the most part with how their MoQ/Kitting requirements are. In an ideal world everyone could get the support they want. No one should have to compromise on getting what they want. Other manu's can offer much more affordable ways of doing it. What's stopping GMK?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX
Post by: aicyborg on Thu, 14 March 2024, 15:29:23
You're a brave person for tackling that seriously.

oof. bold of someone whose only contribution to the forum is being a "UK ISO in base pls" text bot

Please do explain how "I am interested in purchasing this keycap set if UK ISO is in base" isn't an expression of my interest. I buy sets with it, don't buy sets without it (for example, was really interested in GMK Cubed3 but that chose to not have any international layout support at all so I skipped buying it). Therefore it's what I want to see in this.

It would be one thing if your feedback stopped after "I am more interested if UK support is dropped," but I called your behaviour trolling on the basis that you encourage sets not to even consider NorDeUK, an optional kit which you wouldn't have to buy - here are (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=122475.msg3181125#msg3181125), two examples (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=120977.msg3179479#msg3179479). This is what makes me think your participation is less than genuine.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Updated Kitting
Post by: BeesKeys on Fri, 15 March 2024, 01:07:04
Updated Kitting:

Added Alice support to basekit
Added Accent arrows & windowed keys to extension Kit
Added sublegends to NumPad
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Updated Kitting
Post by: tactilesbad on Fri, 15 March 2024, 04:27:57
thanks for listening
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Updated Kitting
Post by: Nevrest on Fri, 15 March 2024, 05:14:24
Updated Kitting:

Added Alice support to basekit
Added Accent arrows & windowed keys to extension Kit
Added sublegends to NumPad

This makes me go from not interested to very likely to buy it. Thanks for taking some of the feedback to heart and updating the kitting.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Updated Kitting
Post by: mr_foggy on Fri, 15 March 2024, 10:18:00
Updated Kitting:

Added Alice support to basekit
Added Accent arrows & windowed keys to extension Kit
Added sublegends to NumPad

Definitely considering now
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Updated Kitting
Post by: Araset on Fri, 15 March 2024, 15:03:38
No chance of getting 1u Enter in base? It would look better on some 40s layouts.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Updated Kitting
Post by: cthalupa on Fri, 15 March 2024, 22:43:44
No chance of getting 1u Enter in base? It would look better on some 40s layouts.

Unfortunately not super likely. We're already really pouring over the base kit to make a couple of cuts to try and bring price down and balance the keys we've added. The 00 might not be long for this world, for example. (If there are hordes of people that need it for some reason, now's your chance to speak up)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Updated Kitting
Post by: Neely_12 on Sat, 16 March 2024, 22:42:17
Please add front print on Print and Pause. Also, I think that the two-line Page, Page, etc would fit the theme a little more. Like this set a lot :thumb:
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Updated Kitting
Post by: bat0u on Thu, 21 March 2024, 09:15:40
Cool!

However, something that bothers me is the rainbow on the bottom right of the kit renders, is on a 45deg angle, and is not parallel to the orientation of the cap gradient. should be more slanted like ///. Esp when the inspiration board has those colors on more of an angle as well! Super important detail, I know. lmao
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Updated Kitting
Post by: Kaptain Mike on Sun, 24 March 2024, 09:11:17
This is looking good. Glad you are going with GMK  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Sublegend Update
Post by: BeesKeys on Wed, 27 March 2024, 00:32:53
Update

We are working with GMK to make the sublegends doubleshot, hopefully this is something we can achieve. If this does happen it means the No sublegends child kit would not be available.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Sublegend Update
Post by: cthalupa on Tue, 09 April 2024, 21:21:41
GMK is still assessing the production file for mold viability, though we believe we have been able to meet the requirements.

In the mean time, they are still producing UV print samples just in case.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Artisan Added!
Post by: BeesKeys on Wed, 24 April 2024, 07:44:56
Added MVKB & Salvun artisan!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | MVKB Artisan Added!
Post by: cthalupa on Fri, 26 April 2024, 11:50:52
GMK has confirmed the top sublegends can be doubleshot, and we will be moving forward with that! Front print legends will still be UV print.

As such, we will *not* be offering the additional alphas kit, since the primary reason was people being concerned about uv print durability.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Doubleshot Sublegends!
Post by: zlobin356 on Sat, 27 April 2024, 05:53:44
Looks very good! I'd grab myself one. GLWIC!!!! :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Doubleshot Sublegends!
Post by: AMZ on Mon, 29 April 2024, 14:13:51
GLWIC, Im in  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Doubleshot Sublegends!
Post by: iamtragic on Mon, 29 April 2024, 16:51:30
Is there a reason for why ins / del sublegends were left off numpad 0 and decimal respectively? Seems a bit out of place given that the rest of the numpad has appropriate subs.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Doubleshot Sublegends!
Post by: T0_BBG on Mon, 29 April 2024, 17:56:09
Would really like an option without the rainbow keys. Love the design otherwise but would be great to have the option not to have them. Maybe could have regular keys offered as a daughter kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Doubleshot Sublegends!
Post by: BeesKeys on Mon, 29 April 2024, 23:56:32
Is there a reason for why ins / del sublegends were left off numpad 0 and decimal respectively? Seems a bit out of place given that the rest of the numpad has appropriate subs.

Good catch, this was a mistake and has been fixed.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Doubleshot Sublegends!
Post by: HubertThemad on Tue, 30 April 2024, 08:46:42
Let's goo! Copped a base kit and extension kit. May also grab a deskmat before it closes if I'm feeling it lol.

I hope you get a bunch of buys from this, and all the best during the GB
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Doubleshot Sublegends!
Post by: cthalupa on Tue, 30 April 2024, 09:19:42
Let's goo! Copped a base kit and extension kit. May also grab a deskmat before it closes if I'm feeling it lol.

I hope you get a bunch of buys from this, and all the best during the GB

Thanks for the support! Hopefully we'll have the GB post approved on here soon too!

(For everyone else, we're working with Drop as the sole vendor here - free international shipping during the pre-order phase! - they've been great to work with for stepping in to save Hundred Acres so we've been excited to keep working with them after that.)


edit:

GB thread is live! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=122894.0)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK CYL ZX | Doubleshot Sublegends!
Post by: tactilesbad on Wed, 08 May 2024, 04:14:48
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