[IC] Red on white sp double-shots?

[bavman]

But I don't think it would have gone up more than a couple dollars a set though?

[Zehkul]

Original graphite/CCnG font

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I honestly don’t get why you would pay 3000$ for that. Doubleshot fonts need to be thick for maximum contrast. :-/

[bavman]

Only reason red on black DS and CCnG got so much love was because OTD/KBDmania ordered please remember that.

red on black DS because it was new
CCnG because of the winkeyless option via tsangan kit which was NOT available in the original set

We could always invite them in on the gb

[jdcarpe]

We could always invite them in on the gb

And if we could offer ISO as an option, we can get some DT love, too.

[tsangan]

But I don't think it would have gone up more than a couple dollars a set though?

It has, I saw first hand, it was nasty almost double in price for this one set

We could always invite them in on the gb

Why would they partake in something we're just doing the same thing of for most parts (font/colour) everything besides the modifiers, which does not justify buying a whole set for that

I honestly don’t get why you would pay 3000$ for that. Doubleshot fonts need to be thick for maximum contrast. :-/

Fonts were cheaper before the price hike

[Ragnorock]

Only reason red on black DS and CCnG got so much love was because OTD/KBDmania ordered please remember that.

red on black DS because it was new

CCnG because of the winkeyless option via tsangan kit which was NOT available in the original set

More then half of my orders was from Korea, if it wasn't for them my GB would hover around 100 at best. Red on black DS Taeyoung got 26 sets IIRC and there was others too, so if it wasn't for them it would over around 80~

Taeyoung bought 26 Tsangan kits, not full sets. Not sure if that's what you were saying or not.

I'm not sure why everyone from the other groups (OTD etc) would be so unhappy with us doing a 2nd run of their set. They get the same keys, without having to do the work of running the group buy. Several people on GH would love to see reruns of the same set so they can get a 2nd chance at keys they missed out on, regardless of where they had to go to get them.

[bavman]

Taeyoung bought 26 Tsangan kits, not full sets. Not sure if that's what you were saying or not.

I'm not sure why everyone from the other groups (OTD etc) would be so unhappy with us doing a 2nd run of their set. They get the same keys, without having to do the work of running the group buy. Several people on GH would love to see reruns of the same set so they can get a 2nd chance at keys they missed out on, regardless of where they had to go to get them.

Because the person who ran the 1st one doesn't want it reran and if we break his wishes than they'll get upset at us as a community.
I'm guessing he doesn't want this either because they've become rare...or he just has an ego

[Wraul]

The owner/GB organiser of the first red alert set didn't want anybody to make this GB again.

So if we do the same, we are going against his will. Which means korean boards won't trust/like us.

This is a valid argument. We definitively want to have a good relationship with all the other keyboard communities. Although I think it's completely unreasonable of them to claim any kind of patent on color combinations or legends. And definitely not the standard SP colors and fonts.

I really want to believe that GH is capable of producing some unique and attractive sets. Red on off white and grey is neither. Red on pure white with or without red modifiers is at least really aesthetically pleasing and to some degre unique amongst keyboards in general.

[WorldExclusive]

I really want to believe that GH is capable of producing some unique and attractive sets. Red on off white and grey is neither. Red on pure white with or without red modifiers is at least really aesthetically pleasing and to some degre unique amongst keyboards in general.

Also DS are cheaper for everyone.

Pure white and red with different legends shouldn't be a issue with the original Red Alert creator.
If we think it's a problem, this GB is dead before it got started or we should kill the DS set all together and just get the dye sub GB going.

[Ragnorock]

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?31871-quot-Red-Alert-quot-Group-Buy-Contents

Go vote, but read the OP first so you understand the options.

[WorldExclusive]

Voted

[Ragnorock]

Oh, here's my reworking of the original post's mockup. Everything that is white on red will also be offered in red on grey.
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[WorldExclusive]

Will the Nav cluster remain the same also?

[jcrouse]

Oh, here's my reworking of the original post's mockup. Everything that is white on red will also be offered in red on grey.

Will there also be a complete red on white set or will the modifiers NEED to be a different color combo than the base set?

[Ragnorock]

Its up to you guys. Personally I want normal arrows. I'm probably going to tell Melissa that unless everyone else says they like the D-Pad arrows.

Also we're going to go with the original set's colors, RBV on WFK and RBV on GAL for the modifiers. For the red modifiers it'll be the inverse of the red on white, so WFK on RBV.

There will be a complete red on white set, including the modifiers. That is what the base set is.

[demik]

normal arrows

[bavman]

Yeah normal arrows look better imo. Idk why that template has weird ones

[Ragnorock]

Yeah agreed. Doing normal arrows.

[demik]

Yeah normal arrows look better imo. Idk why that template has weird ones

because you like barcelona.

[MMB]

So is it agreed to be ABS/Double-shot?

Also; normal arrows

[bavman]

because you like barcelona.

My sports team is better than your sports team!
:argue::argue:

[jcrouse]

Here is my thought ... First off, we all have different tastes and preferences. I am a noob and don't understand some of the "tradition" or completely understand the Red Alert set, although I agree with not stepping on toes and making waves. It would be nice if all the groups got along. There certainly is power (and better prices) in numbers. All of that said, the attractive thing here to me was the red modifiers. Now with the voting in the other thread it appears that option, and look, may be gone.

Thanks,
John

[MMB]

Here is my thought ... First off, we all have different tastes and preferences. I am a noob and don't understand some of the "tradition" or completely understand the Red Alert set, although I agree with not stepping on toes and making waves. It would be nice if all the groups got along. There certainly is power (and better prices) in numbers. All of that said, the attractive thing here to me was the red modifiers. Now with the voting in the other thread it appears that option, and look, may be gone.

Thanks,
John

Voting for PBT only makes that option gone. ABS double-shots make it an option.

[jcrouse]

I understand but the voting is not looking good for the DS option.

[demik]

doesnt matter, rag already said he's doing DS.

poll was a sham!

[Ragnorock]

The poll was made before the situation was clear. Now that the situation has been determined, the poll became unnecessary. Sorry for any confusion.

I'm closing that thread, please continue the discussion here while I continue making my order thread.

[snowboarder3]

[bavman]

Maybe we'll run a pbt one after this demik just for you

[snowboarder3]

If we're doing DS, what does everybody think about a white on red GEEK HACK key? What about white on red G and H keys as an addon?

[demik]

If we're doing DS, what does everybody think about a white on red GEEK HACK key? What about white on red G and H keys as an addon?

i was thinking of doing white on red soon.. but this would be cool too.

[thegunner100]

How did we get from voting for the set to deciding on DS? Bummer... SP's PBT quality is so much better than their ABS's

Edit: just read through the polls thread... so what I got out of it was that Rag decided to do DS because the community wanted the red modifers?

[The_Beast]

I like the third set but I'd love a bigger font size.



I recently went from a black engraved set with small font to a set with large black font on white caps. I really like the large font.

[jdcarpe]

I also like the bigger font size idea. Not just WYSE font, but WYSE legend size, as well. That may make it more expensive. Not sure how SP structures their pricing.

[tsangan]

How did we get from voting for the set to deciding on DS? Bummer... SP's PBT quality is so much better than their ABS's

Edit: just read through the polls thread... so what I got out of it was that Rag decided to do DS because the community wanted the red modifers?

By community you mean the 16 people vs the 27 people that voted for PBT

More of a decision from Rag then a decision from the community

I also like the bigger font size idea. Not just WYSE font, but WYSE legend size, as well. That may make it more expensive. Not sure how SP structures their pricing.

Any legend besides theirs will cost you $40 per legend, and none of them look good beside Wyse, kind of in a pickle

[hashbaz]

Any legend besides theirs will cost you $40 per legend, and none of them look good beside Wyse, kind of in a pickle

2-shot legends are $45. :-/

[demik]

How did we get from voting for the set to deciding on DS? Bummer... SP's PBT quality is so much better than their ABS's

Edit: just read through the polls thread... so what I got out of it was that Rag decided to do DS because the community wanted the red modifers?

rag decided to do DS because he got the go ahead to copy red alert.

we had something better. on better plastic.. but it wont happen now.

[mkawa]

*shrug* nothing stopping us from making it happen...

[thegunner100]

By community you mean the 16 people vs the 27 people that voted for PBT

More of a decision from Rag then a decision from the community

Yeah, that's what I was kinda getting at lol

rag decided to do DS because he got the go ahead to copy red alert.

we had something better. on better plastic.. but it wont happen now.

Someday we will have it... but for now, imsto's dyesubs will have to do.

[MMB]

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Let's all agree that either way, it's a win for all of us.

[bavman]

Just cause rag won't run it doesn't mean it doesn't have to happen. If theres still a strong demand for pbt we could always run it in the future.

[dmbr]

Count me in!

[nntnam]

Just cause rag won't run it doesn't mean it doesn't have to happen. If theres still a strong demand for pbt we could always run it in the future.

Yeah, just do it man.

[Ragnorock]

I never said I wouldn't do it, I'm just not going to do it at the same time as the doubleshot one. That'd just split the orders and make it more expensive for everyone.

Oh and by the way, order thread is up:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?31887-Red-Alert-Round-2-Order-Thread-Taking-Orders

[bavman]

I will gladly run it after Rag's gb is done if the interest still remains. It would be a douche move to run my own right now along side with his because most people wouldn't have the money to pay for 2 full sets and it would hurt both group buys

[dsjbirch]

Just spotted this thread. I'm gonna wait on the possibility of wa pbt over abs. I only need one set and since I got those meme keys I'm loving WFJ pbt!

[Rafen]

I would love to have a set of pbt's that are like the red alert including the red modifiers. If you are doing that count me in.

[Ragnorock]

For the 30th time, you can't dye sub white onto a red PBT key. That won't ever happen...

[Elrick]

I will gladly run it after Rag's gb is done if the interest still remains. It would be a douche move to run my own right now along side with his because most people wouldn't have the money to pay for 2 full sets and it would hurt both group buys

No worries........I'll wait till you have yours up and running.  Couldn't care less about the ABS and PBT furore, just as long as QUALITY keysets are made and sold, that is the important thing.

[Ragnorock]

Also I had an idea this morning for a different than RA red on white set that, while in the early stages of planning, should be enough to make everyone who wasn't satisfied with doubleshot Red Alert, happy as hell when it shows up later this year. It will be PBT dyesubs, which means no white on red mods, and probably no red on grey mods either (though I might toss them in for fun since you guys love them so much) but it will have something else I can't say yet that should have everyone wiggling with excitement for.

/mysterious post

Dave out

[Zehkul]

Custom fonts yay.