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[RIP] No More Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set
« on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 17:17:24 »
It is with some considerable sadness that we have decided we must cancel this Group Buy.  Among other things, surprise multi-thousand-dollar charges have popped up, and we can't sustain it.

If anyone really, really wants Sindarin/Elvish keycaps, we would be happy to send a copy of the layout file over to WASD Keyboards.  They have indicated to me that they can laser etch sets onto their customizable ABS keycaps.

Other than that, it has been fun to work on, and frankly, it was this collaboration that connected Matt3o and samwisekoi.  Thus, the Sindarin loss was Retro DSA's gain.

Best to everyone who supported this proposed buy,

 - Matt3o and samwisekoi

Old post is below...
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Announcing the 87-Key PBT Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set in Pearl and Green.

WATCH THIS SPACE FOR AN UPDATE COMING SOON!
- Ron | samwisekoi | 2013-05-31

Designed by Matt3o and samwisekoi, this keycap set is designed to be as close to the keyboard a computer-literate Elvish person in Middle Earth would use to type in Sindarin.  The characters of Middle Earth are called Tengwar; Sindarin is the Elvish language that used them.  You can use them for Elvish if you have a Tengwar font installed, perhaps with AutoHotKey or equivalent to help.  Or you can transliterate English into Tengwar.  Tolkien wrote a guide in the LOTR books that tells you how to do just that.

Or, this can be the ultimate Otaku keyboard -- only your Elvish co-workers will even be able to understand it.

But everyone who read or saw the Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit will think it is cool.

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These are the legends for this group buy.


Actual plastic samples from SP.

This keycap set is dye-sub PBT and SP's spacebars are ABS, so color-matching the spacebar is an issue, and will be discussed in this thread and then decided and announced as soon as possible. Colors have been discussed and decided.  They are shown above.  For the people with color rings, they are GTF, WCS, and VCD.

We now have final pricing from SP for 89-key* sets:
Order count as of 23-Mar-2013 08:00 PDT.

25 sets   $109.15 per set <-- 32 (we are here)
50 sets   $95.65 per set
75 sets   $91.15 per set
100 sets   $88.90 per set

*89 keys is base + mods + spacebar + extra ~ ` and | \ keys in mod color.

So we want to hit 50 sets.  Here is the semi-fancy Google Doc for ordering:

>>>> http://goo.gl/aH9Cz <<<<

Finally, for those of you who have been asking about 104-key variants and other things, we have designed legends for them, but wanted to run this buy with a very simple selection of keys.  But if you really want expansion packs, and have friends who want them as well, we can have them made at the same time.

Stay tuned for further updates and get your orders in so we know who is really interested!

Thanks very much indeed,

 - Matt3o and samwisekoi

p.s. That Escape Key?  It says Geek Hack in Elvish.  You can't get THAT anywhere else!  (Will be replaced or made optional in some way, as requested.)
« Last Edit: Mon, 16 September 2013, 15:06:29 by samwisekoi »
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 17:17:35 »
Ordered so far by these fine members:

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« Last Edit: Wed, 02 January 2013, 13:14:49 by samwisekoi »
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 17:17:49 »
Old mock-up for history as requested:

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Mock-up as of 14-Dec-2012
« Last Edit: Fri, 04 January 2013, 18:12:06 by samwisekoi »
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 18:47:14 »
well..i am kinda into this set but would love to get the price, MOQ, etc. :D
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 22:13:51 »
I assume he'll post details on the 14th.

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 22:15:56 »
There are details out there if you look hard enough... :P
Quote from: Samwisekoi on some sort of GeekHack related place...
Target Launch Date 14 December 2012 to coincide with the release of The Hobbit
« Last Edit: Thu, 13 December 2012, 22:23:41 by SmallFry »

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 13 December 2012, 23:53:04 »
There are details out there if you look hard enough... :P
Quote from: Samwisekoi on some sort of GeekHack related place...
Target Launch Date 14 December 2012 to coincide with the release of The Hobbit

opps. that was my fault. I forgot its still 13 in US.
Since i am from SG, I keep thinking its already 14.  :p :p
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 01:36:24 »
camping and will see how it goes later  ;D

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 03:15:49 »
but the color....??
is the green and pearl abandoned?
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 07:21:36 »
but the color....??
is the green and pearl abandoned?

It has not been abandoned.  Photoshop (or its Linux equivalent) is not perfect for photo-realistic keycap simulations.  Besides, look at the lower-left of the teaser shot.

More to come ASAP.  It is 5:18am my time on the 14th right now.

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 07:43:12 »
take your time man. i was talking with my time zone. no need to rush.  :p :p
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 08:31:44 »
this is gonna be the best otaku keyboard you've ever had :)

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 10:46:39 »
An ngell nīn ( this is the closet i can find  ^-^ ^-^ )
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 10:49:35 »
what happened to this set?
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 11:09:02 »
I'll try to make a picture that closely matches the real colors (they are actually closer to the set that hoshidishi posted), for reference they will (should) be:

GREEN PBT VCG
PEARL PBT GDM
Spacebar GREEN ABS VCJ

The spacebar will be of a different color because SP doesn't have PBT spacebars so we have to get an ABS one.

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 11:12:47 »
what happened to this set?

We cannot do an exact match for the spacebar, other than that, stay tuned,
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 11:24:33 »
what happened to this set?

I do like this combination more....

I do not have a hard copy of the color keys,
so I m not sure what I saw in the link are accurate....
but from what SP's link, what I saw on my screen....
http://keycapsdirect.com/images/PBTColors.jpg
the green look like VCR, pearl YBT...
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 11:30:06 »
Can we get a spacebar that matches in color to the pearl?

Or at least closer than those greens?

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 11:36:00 »
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Graah, please make the spacebar match the alphanum keys and not the modifiers!

P.S. This set is going to be effing epic.

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 11:37:17 »
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Graah, please make the spacebar match the alphanum keys and not the modifiers!

Graah, please tell me color codes that can accomplish such a thing!

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 11:45:44 »
I'm sure i3oilermaker has both PBT and ABS color rings.  I bet he'd be willing to find a match for us.

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 11:50:39 »
Can't wait to drop this on my desk at the office...my coworkers are already scared of my ninja caps...this might keep them away from my office altogether :D
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:00:52 »
what happened to this set?

We cannot do an exact match for the spacebar, other than that, stay tuned,

a ha. thats what i want to hear. its so pitiful for my wallet though.  :)) :))
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:01:17 »
Seems like this would be quite expensive..
I'll stayed tuned.

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:01:33 »
I believe it's impossible to have a perfect color match, and if can't match then it's better to make it completely different.

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:14:21 »
I believe it's impossible to have a perfect color match, and if can't match then it's better to make it completely different.

So you're advocating for neither green nor pearl?

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:17:05 »
I'm advocating for a darker green OR a darker pearl. Possibly on the same color tone.

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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:22:28 »
Will there be a tsangan kit for this as well as numpad?

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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:26:43 »
This is the closest we can get to the real colors I believe, but I do not have access to the color ring. Spacebar color is to be disputed.

On a side note... I bet everyone gets what's in the ESC key, right?
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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:33:43 »
we will just have to see the mock up to get the real result then.
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Re: Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Starts Dec 14th...
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 13:33:20 »
what happened to this set?
I will be in for this color combination. The more yellow green is not as appealing.

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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 14:17:55 »
Edit: OP got updated while I was posting.

I have a set of SP PBTs and they are very nice to type on. Probably in for this, but why stop running it in a month? Let it go for two or so. That way we can get some better numbers.
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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 15:34:09 »
Placed my order. Your google form says double shot. :D
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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 15:45:35 »
Placed my order. Your google form says double shot. :D

TYVM!  You are #1.

And the form is fixed!

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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 15:57:06 »
Ordered!  And psyched for this!  Gonna look sick on my QFR (blues).
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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 16:08:04 »
...but why stop running it in a month? Let it go for two or so. That way we can get some better numbers.

Why do GBs go on for months? People should know within a few days whether they want to participate or not. No point in dragging it out. Get the orders, take payments (1 week max) and place the order with SP. That way we go from order to in-hand quickly.

That's what I used to love about i3oilermaker's GBs. Fast turnaround.

And if people want the price to go down, they need to place orders. The price doesn't get lower without more people ordering. That's how GBs work.
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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 16:10:47 »
I think at least a month or so is needed to be able to allow those who can't afford to get in right at the moment the time to plan to be able to, especially during a time like this (Christmas [gifts, traveling, etc.]).

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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 16:24:39 »
I think at least a month or so is needed to be able to allow those who can't afford to get in right at the moment the time to plan to be able to, especially during a time like this (Christmas [gifts, traveling, etc.]).
This, and not everyone checks geekhack every day, or week, or even month sometimes. Having it available longer allows people to find it, think about it, save up, and participate. In my opinion the only reason to close a group buy early is to buy extras to sell for more than the group buy price and profit.
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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 16:30:05 »
I'll just go ahead and say it. If you don't check Geekhack every day, you're a Communist. ;D
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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 16:41:04 »
I check geekhack every day, almost all day. And it's BECAUSE of that that I don't have money right now to get in on this group buy...

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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 16:42:42 »
I believe we can make this GB last a little longer, but let set it to 1 month for now.

Also, samwisekoi please update the image in the first post with the keyboard I posted few posts ago. It has better colors accuracy.

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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 16:52:28 »
I believe we can make this GB last a little longer, but let set it to 1 month for now.

Also, samwisekoi please update the image in the first post with the keyboard I posted few posts ago. It has better colors accuracy.

Agreed and done.

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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 18:59:30 »
Do you have color codes for it yet? I have a PBT ring and was wondering which ones you chose. I'm hoping for an actual white, not some creme cheese look.

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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:12:37 »
I don't even have a board to put these on, but I want a set anyway. Maybe the new phantom PCB GB will make these caps have a home. Make myself a nice brown case for them, total earthy tones.

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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:14:10 »
You mean one made out of WOOD!
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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:17:30 »
You mean one made out of WOOD!

That French keyboard made entirely from a single sheet of wood -- then laser cut and etched -- would be awesome for this legend set.

And ridiculously expensive!  And completely flat.

But it would look awesome cool.

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[GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:17:52 »
You mean one made out of WOOD!
Good call. I gotta find myself a cnc machine and take some measurements. And I guess learn auto CAD.

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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:24:31 »
If you get something going on that, let me know, Halv.

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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:28:34 »
Any chance I could mod a QFR case to LOOK like wood?  That's my current plan :D
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Re: [GB] Elvish (Sindarin) Keycap Set - Group Buy Open Through 14-Jan-2013
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 14 December 2012, 20:36:05 »
Any chance I could mod a QFR case to LOOK like wood?  That's my current plan :D

Sure.  Pretty easy.  Look here:  http://www.mnpctech.com/Wood_Laminate_Film_Simulated.html

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