Author Topic: Razer Mechanical? (Read 231711 times)

ph0enX · « **Reply #750 on:** Wed, 22 December 2010, 05:48:57 »

At first I tried with glass-cleaner but with that I wasn't very successful.

I think I will try it with 2-Propanol Alc. (Should be the same like Isopropyl)

I hope that that thing wont damage my keycaps like in the pictures you posted.
Should I let it soak in the alc. or should i qust try cleaning with a slightly soaked cloth?

sixty · « **Reply #751 on:** Wed, 22 December 2010, 05:54:58 »

This happened with my board too. Its also slightly starting to happen on the Leopold board. It is most likely related to sweat or something else. Some people suffer from shiny spacebars very fast, others don't. I think this is the same story.

If all fails, give denture tabs a try.

Lanx · « **Reply #752 on:** Wed, 22 December 2010, 06:54:08 »

Quote from: ripster;267121

There is a guy here named typo that just destroys keys. I'm beginning to think some people just have more acidic sweat or something.

And Lasered keys are NOT indestructable like the keyboard manufacturers like to claim, especially when it comes to acidic sweat.

Some Lasers don't even look that hot brand new.

These types of ppl can't even wear "Metal" watches or jewelry i'm sure, cuz their sweat is vicious it turns jewelry metal band watches black.

bxt · « **Reply #753 on:** Wed, 22 December 2010, 06:57:33 »

Man, this is why I love my 6gv2. No need to worry about my shiny plastic getting all dirty.

ph0enX · « **Reply #754 on:** Wed, 22 December 2010, 07:00:18 »

I think before I go and get som alc. I will try that dental cleaner method... Seems very successfully

ph0enX · « **Reply #755 on:** Wed, 22 December 2010, 08:47:11 »

Thank you in advance for that tips. I will try 'em as I can find time now for the holidays

Ill report back after I tried

Senor_Cartmenez · « **Reply #756 on:** Wed, 22 December 2010, 09:40:07 »

Hey phoenx,

welcome to geekhack

From seeing the pictures, I think what is happening with phoenx' keys is the same that happened to my g80-3000 keys.
I had the following theory:
They have those laser-etched keys where the lasered mold is filled with some type of epoxy resin if I am not mistaken. When they ship brand new, that epoxy is easily felt, as it is "embossed" (is that the right word?), well it is elevated from the key, the resin is higher than the actual key. Now after around a month, I saw the same thing happen with my G80 that happened to phoenx: I believe the elevated portion of the resin wore off and made the key's surface flat and smooth. Now that u mentioned it, it COULD just be dirt, but I don't think the "embossed feel" (like reading braille) is as strong on the affected keys any more as it was when the keys were new.

So I think that this ultimately results in all keys slowly having a smooth and even surface where only a leftover of the resin remains which is not higher than the initially lasered mold. The negative sideffect is 1) the contrast becomes very low and the white key printing turns into an ugly grey 2) until the whole board becomes "level", it will look really weird and some keys may take forever to "level" (windows keys for me for example).

So that's my theory, but yeah, could also just be dirt. I will have to bring some appropriate cleaner to work to check it out (although I am pretty sure that my C button [darkest so far] is quite level nowadays and doesn't feel like reading braille as it did in the beginning).
Either way, I officially think this printing method is bull****. I was also surprised to find out this was used on the razer. I thought they bought from iOne and that the x-armor used dye-sublimation with that crazy rubber coating technique. So I assumed razer did the same..

BlueRain · « **Reply #757 on:** Wed, 22 December 2010, 13:28:27 »

Hmm, good to know this is not a Razer-only issue.

laden3 · « **Reply #758 on:** Wed, 22 December 2010, 14:18:08 »

If I am not mistaken, the information about creating a groove and filling it with epoxy or something else is not true. I believe the heat from the laser beam resulted in the oxidation? of the plastic. This can probably explain why lasered black PBT are yellowish while lasered black ABS are white and lasered POM keycaps are different. I didn't make this up -_- and I believe some people mentioned it in this forum before.

LaneWeaver · « **Reply #759 on:** Wed, 22 December 2010, 21:58:34 »

It happened within a week or so with my WASD keys, but the printing wasn't great to begin with..

ph0enX · « **Reply #760 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 00:56:32 »

Hah... LOL

"OMG my keycaps. They're fu***d.... Wait, no, WTF, it's lotion"

You made my day

Or just like: "My keycaps. FUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuu-huh? Oh! Erm. Hm!"

BlueRain · « **Reply #761 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 00:59:53 »

Erm... ya, it's hand lotion, must be that...

ph0enX · « **Reply #762 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 02:52:53 »

I'm very interested how long it will take at Razer...

I asked them about this problem I have and they wanted some pics. I sent them the pictures and the answer was:

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We will refer this to the team in charge for their advice on the next course of action. please be patient and we will revert back to you as soon as there's updates. Thank you.

Would be good to know what they will do

Razers anser after a week of Chatting and sending pics:

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Hello,

We need to update you that we do not have any replacement keys to help you replace those keys. If you are still unsatisfied with the outlook of the product or problems on the keyboard, please do approach Saturn (your retailer) for an exchange. Thank you.

Should've done at first before contacting :frown:

I'll try your tips and if that doesnt work I will exchange it

ph0enX · « **Reply #763 on:** Wed, 12 January 2011, 09:24:21 »

I tried to clean my keycaps with 2-Propanol-Alc but there was exactly no effect.
So I went to saturn just one and a half weeks ago and exchanged it nad know what? same problem as before. I was thinking abou exchanging it to a 7G Steelseries, but ther force of girlfriend was stronger

Same effect after about 2 weeks with less playing than with the firs keyboard.

Damn it..

I know that there is a big order in the forum here for double shots, but what I've read they're not completely black and they're too expensive for me unfortunately

db_Iodine · « **Reply #764 on:** Wed, 12 January 2011, 11:16:54 »

Quote from: kalrykh;277373

omg that signature is horrible. wtf is wrong with you.

I find it quite funny. Maybe it's because the text on the Turkish guy is Finnish and can be translated to: OH KEBAB ROLLLLLLLLL.

ph0enX · « **Reply #765 on:** Thu, 13 January 2011, 00:52:49 »

The only things that are wrong are the keycaps of Razer which is lying at home...

elef · « **Reply #766 on:** Thu, 13 January 2011, 03:37:47 »

I will have to disagree with that.

ph0enX · « **Reply #767 on:** Thu, 13 January 2011, 04:47:58 »

Okay... I hope you all can now sleep better...

I really dunno what to do about this... maybe the only way is to get a cheap black Cherry Keyboard with MX's and replace 'em.

ph0enX · « **Reply #768 on:** Thu, 27 January 2011, 08:42:27 »

After some mail traffic with razer.

This time not the typical signature "Razer Support Team" but with a real name shown in the sig.

After some mails he now just asked me about my data and wanted an confirmation what layout my keyboard has... very interesting what they're going to do.

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Hello,

Can you please confirm the keyboard layout you have and to fill in the following?

Full Name:
E-Mail Address:
Phone:
Address:
City:
State/Province:
Postal (Zip) Code:
Country:

Your customer number is ...

(Just for keeping you updated)

advancedgamer · « **Reply #769 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 10:31:12 »

hey people, i'm new here and bought the razer black widow, having mixed feeligns about it. i'm a huge gamer, be it semi-competetitive or just all different kinds of games, so that is the most important thing for me, typing comes next.
about 70/30 ratio.

on the one hand the blackwidow has awesome looks, i love the small key letters and the design, on the other hand it is too loud for my liking, double tapping is not so easy possible since the keys need to get up again before you press them nicely again. typing is good too.

i heard from various sources that red switches are the best for gaming, but hardly produced anymore. next would come browns, they are not as noisy as the blues, so i dunno why razer went for blue switches. there also seem to be clear switches? how are those for gaming? what's DoubleShot?

anyawy i came across these keyboards:

- Cherry G80-3600LYC, it even has red switches!!!
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:8597

- Deck Keyboard The Legend? cherry white keys??
http://www.deckkeyboards.com/

- German Filco Majestouch N-Key rollover
http://keyboardco.com/
which one is this btw?
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_big.asp?PRODUCT=767

- Topre Realforce?
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=791

- the well known cherry g80-3000, with soft tactile, click and linear?
again what i should i look out for?
http://www.cherry.de/deutsch/produkte/office_business_G80-3000.htm

- zowie celeritas, dunno which switches they use

- Ione X-Armor U9BL?

- http://cgi.ebay.at/Cherry-G80-3494-Keyboard-Black-G80-3494-Linear-White-/270602674492?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs
and this one i found on german board, they said the offers legit, somebody oredered it and it worked prefectly fine!!! RED SWITCHES

i'm from germany, so german layout would be good, not 100% necessary

so which of those could you recomment to me? keeping in mind i'm a huge gamer

advancedgamer · « **Reply #770 on:** Fri, 28 January 2011, 10:57:09 »

Quote from: ripster;286309

Welcome to Geekhack. You might want to just start a new thread.

Have you checked out the "Geekhack Mechanical Keyboard Guide" stickied above?

And I don't know where you heard Reds are the best for gaming. Everybody has different opinions on that. There is no "Perfect Switch" for gaming. I find the Cherry Reds too light. The Cherry Browns have a tactile point different than the activation point. The Cherry Blues have hysteresis. The Buckling Springs have hysteresis in spades. The ALPS are too stiff and grainy. The Cherry Blacks are also too stiff and I prefer SOME tactile feedback .

The PS3 DualShock for some reason I find just right. Lol.

thanks for the quick reply, gonna start a new thread.
the ps3 dualshock controller is a gamepad not a keyboard

DeltaGunner · « **Reply #771 on:** Sun, 30 January 2011, 08:31:23 »

I think PC gaming will split up towards Crysis-like games (still good gameplay but more leaning toward graphics, mods and community) and Casual games like Rayman Raving Rabbits, Minecraft and that sort stuff. The latter being gameplay wise good but sucks at graphics.

However this is just one tiny itty bitty piece of my mind and opinion on gaming.

PS. i do game alot, especially FPS and RTS.

Astounding · « **Reply #772 on:** Wed, 06 July 2011, 21:48:40 »

Quote from: ripster;286324

Future of PC gaming is either Farmville or MineCraft. Neither I believe allows me to hijack cars and beat old ladies with a tire iron.

Future of PC gaming is Rage and BF3!

ironman31 · « **Reply #773 on:** Wed, 06 July 2011, 21:50:32 »

Quote from: fanky;375024

I assume my NV is re-syncing. sf escorts I accidentally cut it on with the drives outsf asian escorts Now drives 1-3 and the power button are on constantly and drive 4 is flashing. And I can't locate it in raidar etc. If so any idea of how long ti would take all four drive are 500gigs. sf escort I'm waiting to sf asian escort migrate my data to my Ultra 4.

That's super interesting, please tell me more.

ph0enX · « **Reply #774 on:** Thu, 07 July 2011, 01:15:11 »

Just for keeping you guys updated:

After 8 months I decided to sell my Black widow and in August (after my marriage) I will order a Deck Legend ToXic Linear at performance PCs

Can't wait for August.

Sintpinty · « **Reply #775 on:** Tue, 19 November 2019, 11:57:08 »

I love these switches a lot.

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