Author Topic: FC700R Leopold TKL - new details (Read 91733 times)

SmilingPolitely · « **Reply #50 on:** Tue, 03 January 2012, 22:42:09 »

Quote from: WhiteFireDragon;482811

thanks for translation kdash4

i wonder what they mean by "silicon skin" included

You can the see the silicone skin in bottom left image of each colour section. It's just a keyboard cover. It's most noticeable in the grey/black sections, as the cover is pretty much white.

Gin · « **Reply #51 on:** Tue, 03 January 2012, 22:52:31 »

Quote from: Human;482844

Incomparable, both are different thing, one is ABS and another is PBT.

He's asking for thickness, which can be measured. He is not asking anything regarding the materials.

Henry Allen Venture · « **Reply #52 on:** Tue, 03 January 2012, 22:56:36 »

I guess this means we can expect a new model FC1000R full-size keyboard?

WhiteFireDragon · « **Reply #53 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 02:45:40 »

Quote from: SmilingPolitely;482853

You can the see the silicone skin in bottom left image of each colour section. It's just a keyboard cover. It's most noticeable in the grey/black sections, as the cover is pretty much white.

ah i see it now. at first i thought that was just a white keyboard, but looking at it again, you're right, it's the skin cover.

trax · « **Reply #54 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 03:57:54 »

Quote from: kdash4;482797

I can read korean so I will try to translate as best as possible.
1.3mm pbt keycaps
cherry mx (brown/black/blue/red/clear(or white in korean)
new design
silicon skin included
n-key rollover
stepsculpture 2 ?? don't know if I translated that right or what it is but it seems like it is the same thing from fc200r from my brief searching. it is basically how the keys are layed out and curved.
cherry stabilizer
IC from Cypress
multimedia functions

=/ did my best...

Thanks a ton

TheProfosist · « **Reply #55 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 03:59:03 »

Quote from: DaemonRaccoon;482298

Sort of want, where's the MX Clears option?

No really where are they???

Quote from: lysol;482362

I don't like the sharper squared off new body. It's like they lost some personality. I do like the new keycaps. They look like they are very close to Cherry profile.

same and same and i hope not

Quote from: itlnstln;482367

It's interesting you brought that up. One of the biggest criticisms I've read on the Leopolds was the rounded corners. I'm kind of interested in the new gray color and how it compares to the black. It's not too entirely obvious in the pic, but I wonder if it's anything like Topre's gray.

i dont why people dislike it so souch thugh. The grey should be industrial equipment grey thats the best was to head.

Quote from: jkercado;482399

My my, that gray unit is sexy.

agreed but has th white gotton whiter?

Quote from: pitashen;482407

Correct me if I am wrong. I am under the impression that this is just a new line of tenkeyless targeting at people who want extra features (for gaming, multimedia control whatever), while the R200C line will remain available.

Is this the case that means these will fetch a higher price

TheProfosist · « **Reply #56 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 04:04:34 »

Quote from: lysol;482569

FTFY
Notice the colors of the switches in the removed caps pictures. Compare to pic of switch to direct right. Oops. The 'red' switch in the grey one is clearly an inverted blue. The blue switch in the black pic is way too bright. Someone just jacked the color values around in the pic of the white one to make mock up of black and grey ones. Ok it's for illustrative purpose so black one will probably be actually black, not dark chocolate, hopefully.

yea the pics dont look legit at all. So what are the reall colors of the keyboards going to be?

Quote from: kdash4;482797

I can read korean so I will try to translate as best as possible.
1.3mm pbt keycaps
cherry mx (brown/black/blue/red/clear(or white in korean)
new design
silicon skin included
n-key rollover
stepsculpture 2 ?? don't know if I translated that right or what it is but it seems like it is the same thing from fc200r from my brief searching. it is basically how the keys are layed out and curved.
cherry stabilizer
IC from Cypress
multimedia functions

=/ did my best...

What can we tell from that has changed minus the colors and the pbt keys?

Quote from: SmilingPolitely;482853

You can the see the silicone skin in bottom left image of each colour section. It's just a keyboard cover. It's most noticeable in the grey/black sections, as the cover is pretty much white.

o nice i wonder how it will compare to the current plastic roof that they give you.

Quote from: Henry Allen Venture;482870

I guess this means we can expect a new model FC1000R full-size keyboard?

If they do that hopfully they will fixt the spacebar issue that makes it different from the TKL.

Surly73 · « **Reply #57 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 07:23:15 »

- like the grey - it looks really good (to me) in these photos
- like the PBT caps
- like the case profile (sharp corners)
- don't mind the media markings
- why is there an LED in F5?
- looks like more rubber in the feet on the bottom of the board? Maybe?
- sounds like they'll be sold with every kind of MX switch - cool
- I like the idea of detachable USB (I know it isn't new to this new model) as long as it's durable at the keyboard end - In a lot of situations I would love to get a "custom" length of USB cable for my situation from somewhere like monoprice. I usually have a huge bundle of keyboard/mouse cable at home because I use a hub right in front of me but sometimes need to use extensions at work because I locate my docking station at the far end of my desk. Being able to use a 1' at home and 10' at the office would be cool.

Next questions - where? when? price?

DaemonRaccoon · « **Reply #58 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 07:46:03 »

Cypress controller, what do the FC200Rs use?

Also fook yes, Clears!

Human · « **Reply #59 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 07:53:30 »

Quote from: DaemonRaccoon;483041

Cypress controller, what do the FC200Rs use?

Also fook yes, Clears!

IIRC, Leopold Full Size use Cypress, not sure if their FC200R also use that.

piken · « **Reply #60 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 07:55:55 »

I had a discussion with EK yesterday where they stated that there are no current plans to add the FC700 to their line up when the become available.

I also asked about the issue reported by people on GH about the issue with the control board on the Leo FC200's having issues. They were very honest and upfront that they have had a couple of reports of bad controllers or failing controller, But in the 1000+ boards they have sold so far, they have had only 2 that were not solved with USB driver updates or moving the connection to a powered USB port.

They are confident enough in the boards that they have even said that at any time there is a controller issue, they will make sure that it is covered under warranty for replacement or repair.

I was shocked at the sheer level of customer service from them alone. It has defn pushed me to consider strongly the FC200RR for my next board as it is very hard to find a company with great customer service lately.

Henry Allen Venture · « **Reply #61 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 07:57:29 »

Quote from: TheProfosist;482977

If they do that hopfully they will fixt the spacebar issue that makes it different from the TKL.

I'm not hugely familiar with the full-size Leopolds. What spacebar issue are you referring to?

I have noticed that the spacebar on my new Leo tenkeyless (refer link in my sig for "in the mail" thread) is quite rattle-y out of the box. Its not a huge issue, just a little annoying.
I'm hoping applying a little grease/lube of some sort (my old man is a mechanic so there's plenty around) will quieten it down.

woody · « **Reply #62 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 09:32:48 »

Quote from: ripster;483075

Three LED pics. Three keys cited: CapsLock, ScrollLock, WindowsLock.

How about "SherLock"?

civet · « **Reply #63 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 10:24:01 »

Quote from: piken;482537

How much do the switches lighten from being broken in. I have never noticed any difference after time using my browns and blues.

After about three weeks with clears, the main alphanum keys are a bit easier to press and have lost that "friction" sound they had when they were new. I'd go as far as to call them "creamy". They lost that sound, but not that feel. Also, this isn't just my imagination, the numpad ones are still "frictiony" and take a bit more force with press down.

Human · « **Reply #64 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 10:52:09 »

Quote from: Henry Allen Venture;483046

I'm not hugely familiar with the full-size Leopolds. What spacebar issue are you referring to?

I have noticed that the spacebar on my new Leo tenkeyless (refer link in my sig for "in the mail" thread) is quite rattle-y out of the box. Its not a huge issue, just a little annoying.
I'm hoping applying a little grease/lube of some sort (my old man is a mechanic so there's plenty around) will quieten it down.

The space bar for full-size Leopolds isn't standard like most of other boards we normally seen such as FILCO, Cherry, Duck and many more.

In short: Normal aftermart spacebar(mostly from WASD or KBC) will be incompatible with it without some modification.

piken · « **Reply #65 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 12:34:03 »

Quote from: Human;483148

The space bar for full-size Leopolds isn't standard like most of other boards we normally seen such as FILCO, Cherry, Duck and many more.

In short: Normal aftermart spacebar(mostly from WASD or KBC) will be incompatible with it without some modification.

Does this affect the TKL leo's also?

alaricljs · « **Reply #66 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 12:41:01 »

Quote from: piken;483204

Does this affect the TKL leo's also?

Yes it does, and what makes that interesting is that the TKL and full size spacebars on the Leo's are different from each other as well.

NorrisB · « **Reply #67 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 12:45:00 »

ripster can you explain why its such a big deal to wait for this keyboard vs. buying a leo now on elitekeyboards

laffindude · « **Reply #68 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 19:33:27 »

I only want the grey caps ;o

kaiserreich · « **Reply #69 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 19:57:59 »

Quote from: dante;483227

who wants to gamble that the space bar from the 700 will be incompatible with the 200 and 500? :becky:

I don't like gambling. But I guesstimate that it would be compatible with the 500

wompwomp · « **Reply #70 on:** Wed, 04 January 2012, 22:16:58 »

1 wAnT dI5 k3yB0aRd. Wh3r3 cAn 1 G3t D15 k3yb0ArD?!?

REVENGE · « **Reply #71 on:** Thu, 05 January 2012, 00:24:30 »

Quote from: wompwomp;483555

1 wAnT dI5 k3yB0aRd. Wh3r3 cAn 1 G3t D15 k3yb0ArD?!?

Hey OCN just kicked in yo!

wompwomp · « **Reply #72 on:** Thu, 05 January 2012, 22:33:31 »

Quote from: REVENGE;483608

Hey OCN just kicked in yo!

Youz funnyz.

On a serious note, does anyone know when they will be releasing this board? If so, where? Hopefully, elitekeyboards will carry them.

Edit: Can someone please explain to me how cherry stabilizers feel in comparison with regular wire style stabilizers? I only own 2 filcos and a blackwidow.

NorrisB · « **Reply #73 on:** Thu, 05 January 2012, 22:38:22 »

of course no plans. otherwise they wont be able to unload the stock they have.

sordna · « **Reply #74 on:** Thu, 05 January 2012, 22:56:07 »

Quote from: wompwomp;484343

Edit: Can someone please explain to me how cherry stabilizers feel in comparison with regular wire style stabilizers? I only own 2 filcos and a blackwidow.

Cherry style stabilizers make the stabilized keys feel different, their travel is shorter and they make a dull thud instead of a clack. It feels sort of like a regular key with an o-ring installed!

TheProfosist · « **Reply #75 on:** Thu, 05 January 2012, 23:00:37 »

Quote from: dante;484353

needless to say within the last 2 weeks GH has completely scared me away from detachable keyboard cords

There is no reason to be...

NorrisB · « **Reply #76 on:** Thu, 05 January 2012, 23:12:20 »

has anything been discussed about the resolved bugs?

pitashen · « **Reply #77 on:** Fri, 06 January 2012, 02:40:41 »

Quote from: dante;484353

needless to say within the last 2 weeks GH has completely scared me away from detachable keyboard cords

As long as your keyboard will be sitting in one place, there is nothing to be scared of.

lightsout714 · « **Reply #78 on:** Fri, 06 January 2012, 08:57:45 »

Quote from: sordna;484371

Cherry style stabilizers make the stabilized keys feel different, their travel is shorter and they make a dull thud instead of a clack. It feels sort of like a regular key with an o-ring installed!

I am noticing this on my new Leo. I definitely think I would not like an O ring mod. Anyone know what stabilizer the Choc Mini uses, it seems to still have the clack (sorry for OT)

Hazborgufen · « **Reply #79 on:** Fri, 06 January 2012, 10:09:18 »

Quote from: dante;484353

needless to say within the last 2 weeks GH has completely scared me away from detachable keyboard cords

I may have had something to do with that. I'm not happy that the port broke on my Rosewill and I've made it known. I personally will be sticking with permanent cables. It’s not like I need the feature anyway.

That said, it really just seems to be the luck of the draw. I’ve said elsewhere that it was probably just a manufacturing defect. I’m just glad it happened well within not only the warranty period but also New Egg’s return period. If you are cool with voiding your warranty, which most people seem to be, then it looks like a quick fix. My thought was that I shouldn’t be required to void he warranty to get the keyboard to work properly.

Still wish I knew a good way to know if the port is installed solidly. The Rosewill looked like it was, according to pictures posted by Ripster, but it still broke. Aside from pushing on it really hard to test it I guess it’ll just be a crapshoot.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #80 on:** Fri, 06 January 2012, 10:13:48 »

Actually at one point you thought the keys were going to be dye-sublimated. Even I thought that sounded fishy.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #81 on:** Fri, 06 January 2012, 10:19:48 »

No, because you're NOT #1. You're not correct either.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #82 on:** Fri, 06 January 2012, 10:26:36 »

FYI, posts that you disagree with aren't, necessarily, trolling.

NorrisB · « **Reply #83 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 22:03:01 »

I like the overloading of the F keys

NorrisB · « **Reply #84 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 22:06:03 »

when are these puppies coming out

Namkung · « **Reply #85 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 22:06:59 »

it actually says
Fn + Windows key = windows key lock (and the LED light on F5 will pop-up)
Fn + RIGHT control = swaps RIGHT CTRL to menu key

=]

Lamaboi · « **Reply #86 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 22:10:33 »

Quote from: NorrisB;485707

when are these puppies coming out

Soon.
http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/list.php&ca_id=101001

Namkung · « **Reply #87 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 22:20:27 »

Quote from: ripster;485712

Thanks! Edited it.

If you can read Korean can you check this?
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?25167-No-Shift-Sherlock-New-Leopolds-Thick-PBT-Keys-Sherlock-Observations&p=485698&viewfull=1#post485698

sure. done.
posted on that thread

lightsout714 · « **Reply #88 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 22:24:34 »

I can't say I like the gold lettering on the black board.

sordna · « **Reply #89 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 22:29:09 »

Quote from: Namkung;485719

sure. done. posted on that thread

Sorry for the off-topic ask, but if you are also a KBDMania member, maybe you can help out announcing something about a potential Unicomp tenkeyless, read here:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?25797-Unicomp-customization&p=485465&viewfull=1#post485465
and here:
http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1774

Pls respond to the unicomp thread, so we don't hijack this one too much :-)

Human · « **Reply #90 on:** Sat, 07 January 2012, 23:32:32 »

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Judging from the pictures above, seems like the spacebar on Leopold FC700R is compatible with that of Keycool(potential to be from same OEM as Leopold(China made)).

Human · « **Reply #91 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 02:05:09 »

Quote from: ripster;485831

Wait - the pic on the right is a Leopold FC700R?

Filco stabilizers? But yet another Leopold stem spacing?

This is Filco.
Show Image

Nope, it is Keycool, a clone of Leopold(probably).

This spacebar probably universal enough for all spacebar though(except Razer BW of course...)
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?25836-NEO-KB-87-Zelia-Wireless-Tenkeyless-Chinese-Clone-review!&p=485766#post485766

TheProfosist · « **Reply #92 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 03:31:38 »

You do realize that leopold spacing holes are on rosewills and WASD keyboards their just not used. I actually learned from talking apart my PLUs that you can use 2 more clips there to stiffen up the spring plan to test that on my WASD

limmy · « **Reply #93 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 04:18:32 »

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This photo of 700R's space bar is part of a review by Glasutte of KBDMania.
Review - http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/3403927

Judging from ripster's photo of Filco's spacebar, I guess 700R's spacebar is not compatible with Filcos.
The review article says the spacebar is compatible with 300R, but not with Cherry keyboard with Windows key.

limmy · « **Reply #94 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 04:28:02 »

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This photo is part of a review by Glasutte of KBDMania - http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/3403927

Also, the keycaps show PBT dimple mentioned in the geekhack wiki - geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:16648 (The shape of dimple is very similar with POM keycaps of Cherry Corp keyboard in the wiki article.) I guess this is probably because the keycaps are thick -- 1.3mm.

Human · « **Reply #95 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 04:31:53 »

Quote from: limmy;485878

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This photo of 700R's space bar is part of a review by Glasutte of KBDMania.
Review - http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/3403927

Judging from ripster's photo of Filco's spacebar, I guess 700R's spacebar is not compatible with Filcos.
The review article says the spacebar is compatible with 300R, but not with Cherry keyboard with Windows key.

Just measured, exactly the same as the one I posted above(keycool). The one on Zowie(probably SS7G too), Noppoo Choc Pro PBT and KBC PBT(new version) seems to be compatible as well. Seems like Leopold no longer suffer to be the loner with strange spacebar. Now Ducky and Filco is the loner instead, LOL...

Pictures "borrow" from a China forum.
Zowie vs KBC PBT(not sure)

Noppoo Choc Pro PBT
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limmy · « **Reply #96 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 04:36:16 »

Actually, Fn+RCtrl as combination acts as Menu key. ( Q&A article of KBDMania - http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/3404065 )

I think it would have been better implementation if it acted as if it swaps RCtrl with Menu key, but it would have required additional LED to indicate swap status.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #97 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 04:37:20 »

Quote from: Human;485882

Just measured, exactly the same as the one I posted above(keycool). The one on Zowie(probably SS7G too), Noppoo Choc Pro PBT and KBC PBT(new version) seems to be compatible as well. Seems like Leopold no longer suffer to be the loner with strange spacebar. Now Ducky and Filco is the loner instead, LOL...

Pictures "borrow" from a China forum.
Show Image

Show Image

Yes the 7G has the same spacing as well. Looks like I may have to end up offering the rever of the mod that i do now.

TheProfosist · « **Reply #98 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 04:38:53 »

Quote from: limmy;485883

Actually, Fn+RCtrl as combination acts as Menu key. ( Q&A article of KBDMania - http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/3404065 )

I think it would have been better implementation if it acted as if it swaps RCtrl with Menu key, but it would have required additional LED to indicate swap status.

I also think that would have been a better implementation

limmy · « **Reply #99 on:** Sun, 08 January 2012, 04:40:33 »

Quote from: ripster;485703

OK this makes the FCN keys a lot clearer. FCN+WIN is Windows lockout (that's indeed is what the F5 LED is for). FCN+RCtrl is swapping CTRL to Menu key.
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Actually, Fn+RCtrl as combination acts as Menu key. ( Q&A article of KBDMania - http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/3404065 )

I think it would have been better implementation if it acted as if it swaps RCtrl with Menu key, but it would have required additional LED to indicate swap status.

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Author Topic: FC700R Leopold TKL - new details (Read 91733 times)

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