IBM 64X9710 3194 122-key

[ander]

What is this, anyway?:

IBM 64X9710 3194 122 KEY KEYBOARD











It looks like a combination of a Model F AT and 122. Could it be a real IBM, with a molded-in logo and such a strange back label? And dig the divider over the right sections. Maybe you guys know all about it, but I couldn't find any references to the p/n at all... Could this be a Great Find?

[XMIT]

I'm guessing rubber dome but it remains to be seen.

[fohat.digs]

Cool.

Isn't that lower left key on the left function block the weird cap that somebody was frantically asking for a while back?
 
And it has XT/AT style "wing tabs"

[ander]

Yeah, it's such an odd mixture of features. I was sure some of you would've at least seen something like this before.

And how about the interesting secondary symbols on those F keys—that's not a standard thing, is it?:





Considering they're asking $150, they may have some idea how unusual it is. They're open to offers, though.

[E TwentyNine]

The secondary symbols do pop up on terminal keyboards.

I think I've seen that "embossed" logo on IBM japanese keyboards before, can't for the life of me remember exactly where though.

[Snowdog993]

I believe that is the Brother version of the IBM keyboard made in Japan with Buckling Springs if I am not mistaken.  Pretty cool keyboard actually.

[orihalcon]

Bought it for $100.  Pretty sure that it is alps based from what I've read, though not standard mount alps, so it's not like the caps would be swappable.  Am really hoping for buckling spring, but it doesn't show up on the list of BS Japan boards.  Those all seemed to have a part number that starts with 94 rather than 64.  Should be a nice addition to the collection even if the keycaps are somewhat shiny.

[chyros]

Cool, let us know what it turns out to be!

[rowdy]

A shame it has a large Enter though - seems that prett ymuch all of the extra large IBM keyboards were similarly endowed.

[nubbinator]

Bought it for $100.  Pretty sure that it is alps based from what I've read, though not standard mount alps, so it's not like the caps would be swappable.  Am really hoping for buckling spring, but it doesn't show up on the list of BS Japan boards.  Those all seemed to have a part number that starts with 94 rather than 64.  Should be a nice addition to the collection even if the keycaps are somewhat shiny.

One of the T-Alps boards?  The IBM Alps boards I've seen have all looked pretty awesome.

[Snowdog993]

It is nearly identical to my 1389162 terminal keyboard.  I had Maxx put his Colossus controller in it, and he converted it to ANSI.  My son uses it now.

Before:


After:


Back side of keyboard:


What intrigues me is the standard AT cable on the 64x9710 and the fact that it may be ALPS rather than Buckling Springs.  I wonder.  Pretty cool even so.

Seller's Keyboard (Compare with 1389162):
*Note the space between the right Alt and Ctrl keys.

[ander]

This has turned out to be quite interesting. Orihalcon, congrats on the buy—it'll be fun to get the rest of the story on this KB.

A shame it has a large Enter though - seems that pretty much all of the extra large IBM keyboards were similarly endowed.

Exactly—it's got the ISO-style layouts of terminal boards. But then why the AT connector? What an odd combination of features.

[E TwentyNine]

This has turned out to be quite interesting. Orihalcon, congrats on the buy—it'll be fun to get the rest of the story on this KB.

A shame it has a large Enter though - seems that pretty much all of the extra large IBM keyboards were similarly endowed.

Exactly—it's got the ISO-style layouts of terminal boards. But then why the AT connector? What an odd combination of features.

Likely a keyboard meant for a 3270 PC.

[fohat.digs]

it's got the ISO-style layouts of terminal boards. But then why the AT connector? What an odd combination of features.

All of the IBM 122-key terminal boards I have seen have the ISO-style Enter and Left Shift.

The top case shell of this one is completely different from M/F 122s in many ways, and the large feet (they seem too thin to be the 2-stage) with "ear tabs" are strange. I will be curious to see whether this has a secondary piece in the case between top and bottom shells (I doubt it).

That is almost surely NOT an AT plug. It looks exactly like the 240 degree DIN plugs with metal screw ends as found on F-122s and first-generation M-122s (I have the female counterpart that I bought out of a junk box of random cable plugs years ago).

[Snowdog993]

it's got the ISO-style layouts of terminal boards. But then why the AT connector? What an odd combination of features.

All of the IBM 122-key terminal boards I have seen have the ISO-style Enter and Left Shift.

The top case shell of this one is completely different from M/F 122s in many ways, and the large feet (they seem too thin to be the 2-stage) with "ear tabs" are strange. I will be curious to see whether this has a secondary piece in the case between top and bottom shells (I doubt it).

That is almost surely NOT an AT plug. It looks exactly like the 240 degree DIN plugs with metal screw ends as found on F-122s and first-generation M-122s (I have the female counterpart that I bought out of a junk box of random cable plugs years ago).

Fohat....
I know the difference.  I mentioned the AT cable.  Look at my 1389162 "Before" shot.

[macmakkara]

Anyone got this? im really curious of the insides....

[nubbinator]

Bought it for $100.  Pretty sure that it is alps based from what I've read, though not standard mount alps, so it's not like the caps would be swappable.  Am really hoping for buckling spring, but it doesn't show up on the list of BS Japan boards.  Those all seemed to have a part number that starts with 94 rather than 64.  Should be a nice addition to the collection even if the keycaps are somewhat shiny.

[macmakkara]

Thanks nubbinator... Im so damn blind.......

[ander]

...Am really hoping for buckling spring, but it doesn't show up on the list of BS Japan boards...

List of Japan BS boards? Where's that?

BTW, I was amused to see that, as I write, the first seven Great Finds topics are for non-keyboards:

[rowdy]

...Am really hoping for buckling spring, but it doesn't show up on the list of BS Japan boards...

List of Japan BS boards? Where's that?

BTW, I was amused to see that, as I write, the first seven Great Finds topics are for non-keyboards:


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There are a couple of mouses there, which are at least input peripherals.

[ander]

There are a couple of mouses there, which are at least input peripherals.

Yeah, and if they have some of those extra buttons, you can even type on them, sort of. I mean, you could set them up with some of your most-often-used characters. Okay, it's a stretch—I'm just trying to be agreeable.

[orihalcon]

These are the Japan

...Am really hoping for buckling spring, but it doesn't show up on the list of BS Japan boards...

List of Japan BS boards? Where's that?

Was just going off of these: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Brother_buckling_spring then googled the 5576 and they have a part number starting with 94.

I think one of the stranger things are the non-symmetrical gaps around the space bar.  Would have to be almost modern-ish to leave room for a potential Menu key on the right, so could be rubber dome.  The caps remind me of the non-BS unsaver.

[quietobserver]

Fascinating.

This seller also has a bunch of other rather unique keyboards that are new to me:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XEROX-110K00410-P-C-37-EA-KEYBOARD-9-PIN-CONNECTOR-WITH-WARRANTY-/141730046395?hash=item20ffc4e1bb (Made in Italy??)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ADAC-LABORATORIES-TERMINAL-KEYBOARD-WITH-CABLE-WITH-WARRANTY-/111728432038?hash=item1a038893a6
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-LEXMARK-1397651-MODEL-M-CLICKY-101-KEY-KEYBOARD-WITH-CABLE-WITH-WARRANTY-/141732070744?hash=item20ffe3c558 (Old Dell logo)

[nubbinator]

I've seen that Xerox before, I believe it's rubber dome.  The ADAC looks like a Wyse rebrand.  The Dell Model Ms aren't super common, but that's way overpriced.  The last one I posted was 1/2 to 2/3 the list price of this one.

[chyros]

Never seen a Dell Model M with the old logo before though Oo .

[Touch_It]

Never seen a Dell Model M with the old logo before though Oo .

Pretty rare.  I've never seen one in person, but I've seen a few before either on DT or ebay

[XMIT]

Never seen a Dell Model M with the old logo before though Oo .

Pretty rare.  I've never seen one in person, but I've seen a few before either on DT or ebay

I saw one at Electronics Plus. I passed it up - I can't recall who ended up getting it. I did get a buckling spring board with an AT&T logo. It has the same internals and key cap design as most Model Ms, but a different font for legends, and a different molding for the case. Also what appears to be an ABS space bar. Very interesting.

http://coronthica.com/by-uuid/fbcdd3f6-9d5a-42a4-a0e0-80009cb54e2f/

[orihalcon]

It has BLACK ALPS, internal speaker, and volume control dial at the top:

[chyros]

Wow, crikey Oo . What is the speaker for?

[XMIT]

Neat!

There is supposedly one more on Amazon, fulfilled by UpgradeBay.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00IMYEEZI/

[XMIT]

orihalcon are the keys PBT or ABS? Double shot, engraved, lasered, or something else? What an interesting find, glad it went to a good home.

[ander]

What an interesting board. Did anyone have a clue about these before now?

[ander]

We need a friendly Japanese KB geek who writes decent English and wouldn't mind filling us in on all the odd MKs IBM licensed over there. (The 6112884 "Pingmaster" is just one other example.) It's a whole new world, apparently.