Sadly it's not a vaccine it's a gene therapy
Sadly it's not a vaccine it's a gene therapy
Sadly it's not a vaccine it's a gene therapy
Ha. Do enlighten why that's a sad thing. Sadly, i got a bag full of gold instead of a bag full of peanuts? Is it like that?
If my DNA (or RNA for that matter) changes by food and environment already, it does so by inputs that are consistent with at least several generations now even be it across the globe - food is surprisingly uniform chemistry and DNA - or you are on the quick way to ER or cemetery, depending on the particular case.Sadly it's not a vaccine it's a gene therapy
Gene therapy is not a protected term, so it can refer to alot of things/ medical procedures.
What is the beef with gene therapy, is it not still good ? it's got therapy in the name does it not ?
Your DNA changes all the time as it responds to environmental stimuli even if nothing was injected. Just from the food a person eats, it changes gene expression.
If my DNA (or RNA for that matter) changes by food and environment already, it does so by inputs that are consistent with at least several generations now even be it across the globe - food is surprisingly uniform chemistry and DNA - or you are on the quick way to ER or cemetery, depending on the particular case.
With synthesized industrial whatever - well, what can i say, it's not something your gran'pa ate and lived to procreate your father, we are yet to see how this all pans out in the long term, once smoking too was prescribed to pregnant woman by the very doctors of that time and DDT was advertised as safe as taking a shower, along asbestos, lead and FCKW (OG spray propellant gas)...
All i say is something is not good just because it is shiny and new, it has to be proven by time too.
i am not a biologist, but from the extensive reading and sci-show watching i did, i think you are both either very very wrong or partially wrongSadly it's not a vaccine it's a gene therapy
Gene therapy is not a protected term, so it can refer to alot of things/ medical procedures.
What is the beef with gene therapy, is it not still good ? it's got therapy in the name does it not ?
Your DNA changes all the time as it responds to environmental stimuli even if nothing was injected. Just from the food a person eats, it changes gene expression.
external stimuli can change some response over long times but not nearly as much as your response seem to imply, and only responses to the DNA changes not the DNA itself.
it's difficult to get a doctor to recommend an off-label use
[/size][/color]external stimuli can change some response over long times but not nearly as much as your response seem to imply, and only responses to the DNA changes not the DNA itself.
Incorrect, dna can be upregulated/downregulated. The LARGEST external chemical exposure any animal engages in is food intake, both in volume and contact area.
so stress is one of the things we are pretty sure does affect how cells interpret the DNA, although last i checked it was still not fully proven and still debated... correlation != causation (for peoples not used to C-like languages != means not equal)
Even behavior such as paternal stress response can be tracked and correlated through offspring born in different time periods, clear indication of dna impact.
well yes it would, plants and humans have a hell of a lot in common, both multicellular organisms moving chemicals to produce, store and use energy to stay alive, both use different means to achieve this but we have a huge base in common. and i still do not understand why that would make DNA modifiable. DNA is partially ignored under the right circumstances, it happens pretty much all of the time, your brain cells ignores the muscle cells part of the DNA, but they both have a full copy.
It wouldn't make ANY SENSE for dna to be non-modifiable by the body. We share the same genetic root as plants, humans are 70% in common with a tree.
insurance .... can all mandate it.
This gives people 2 months to get the shot before medical coverage ends.
From the perspective of climate change, this disastrous chain of events may be a net positive. Thoughts ?I've said since day 1 - survival of the fittest in action. Originally I thought 100% infection rate and only the strong/healthy would survive, then people with brains who bothered to wear masks and actually do social distancing but at the end of the day it may well be those who are sensible enough to get injected (which may work out better, as you always try to convince me a world with no stupid people doing menial jobs would not be a pleasant place to live)
From the perspective of climate change, this disastrous chain of events may be a net positive. Thoughts ?I've said since day 1 - survival of the fittest in action. Originally I thought 100% infection rate and only the strong/healthy would survive, then people with brains who bothered to wear masks and actually do social distancing but at the end of the day it may well be those who are sensible enough to get injected (which may work out better, as you always try to convince me a world with no stupid people doing menial jobs would not be a pleasant place to live)
Only problem is the rich people who have the most gas guzzling cars and biggest houses to heat and cool are not the ones dying. Though it is likely those who ignore medical advice on vaccination also ignore warnings about too much red meat and such so it might help this angle too.
That is a good idea, and it would work, but I don't think it can be done. First, health care providers will still be stuck with taking care of sick people regardless.
Second, I would speculate that the overwhelming majority of those who refuse a vaccine are the least-educated and lowest tier consumers to have been susceptible to anti-vax propaganda in the first place.
But the real danger is allowing insurance companies to start carving out exceptions again, kind of a pre-existing condition in reverse. That is a slippery slope that nobody wants to step out on.
Starting in August, anyone in France entering a café, restaurant, shopping center, or hospital, or taking a long-distance train, will have to show a special COVID-19 health pass, President Emmanuel Macron announced on July 12, 2021.
The increased restrictions in public spaces are aimed at containing the rapid spread of the highly transmissible Delta variant in the country.
The health pass — known officially as the EU Digital COVID Certificate — shows whether a person has been vaccinated against COVID-19, received a recent negative test result, or recovered from COVID-19.
Anyone over the age of 12 will also be required to show the pass to visit a movie theater, museum, live theater, theme park, or cultural center starting July 21.
Within 48 hours of Macron’s announcement, more than 2.2 million vaccination appointments were booked online, according to a tweet from Our World in Data’s Edouard Mathieu.
vaccination does not fully prevent the disease
an essential tool to control the spread of it and of the new variants
what i mean is that both are needed, as neither are a full solution. you most definitely need to get vaccinated, but also getting tested so that vaccinated symptom-less cases can get detected and not spread at all, reducing overall spread even more.vaccination does not fully prevent the diseaseAnd the corollary to that is that the more that the spread is reduced, the fewer and slower will variants develop in the first place.
an essential tool to control the spread of it and of the new variants
within a week we could be back to the peak situation of a few months ago
within a week we could be back to the peak situation of a few months ago
And Putin will be gratified knowing that his work was successful.
Does 'notfully vaccinated' include people who have only had their first shot, not yet the second? In that case you can't really say these deaths are all anti vaxers.It's a small enough difference that it wouldn't change the large picture, because it's not the only reason to get vaccinated.
I was under the impression that the priorities were the exact other way around Oo . As long as people don't end up in the hospital and overflow them.Does 'notfully vaccinated' include people who have only had their first shot, not yet the second? In that case you can't really say these deaths are all anti vaxers.It's a small enough difference that it wouldn't change the large picture, because it's not the only reason to get vaccinated.
Yes we want to prevent death, but preventing direct death is secondary to preventing NEW INFECTIONS. The vaccine's primary goal is infection control. NOT dying is a happy side effect of being part of that process.
I was under the impression that the priorities were the exact other way around
leaping from target to target
Airborne infections are the most frightening and difficult to control.
I always get paranoid even being vaxxed that it won't do anything. It's just like driving a car, it only takes one idiot who doesn't care, and BAM you're dead if you have your seatbelt on or not.
if you have your seatbelt on or not
Florida Hospital declares CODE BLACK, as cases near last summer's peak.. ??It means people dying left and right, in a mediaeval Europe way. It's supposed to sound ominous.
WTH, why do they call it that, so ominous
oh so that is why there is so many anti vaxxersm they try to beat each other death toll :) well there has been cleverer games around, but still better than going to bomb civilians in 3rd world countries.
Texas:Sounds like it's time to kick out anyone who didn't bother to get vaccinated. Though if they all have to pay for care anyway (that's the American way, right?) can they?
Austin health officials warn there are 16 staffed ICU beds left for 2.3 million residents as COVID cases surge.
So.. like, i could've sworn we've been here before, but ALSO, how is that a warning ? 16 left. come get yours soooonish, no hurry. It's basically the same as saying we've run out already.
2.3 million residents.
Japan expands state of emergency as infections surpass 10,000, 3865(tokyo).
Delta variant responsible for 70% infections.
Any chance that the olympics will be interrupted ?
Lollapolooza
Texas:Sounds like it's time to kick out anyone who didn't bother to get vaccinated. Though if they all have to pay for care anyway (that's the American way, right?) can they?
Austin health officials warn there are 16 staffed ICU beds left for 2.3 million residents as COVID cases surge.
So.. like, i could've sworn we've been here before, but ALSO, how is that a warning ? 16 left. come get yours soooonish, no hurry. It's basically the same as saying we've run out already.
2.3 million residents.
It would seem they've detected korona in white tailed deer, and rats beneath new york.You have your terms mixed up.
If this was civ, full blown plague may be imminent ?
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I've seen how you store your keyboards in boxes on shelves. That seems cruel if someone sent you a man. Just sayin...
I've seen how you store your keyboards in boxes on shelves.
Are you saying you guys DON'T do that?!
I've seen how you store your keyboards in boxes on shelves.
Perhaps he evaluates lovers as critically as he does keyboards, then stores the good ones in boxes and discards the inferior ones?
So
DELTA vs the Delta- PLUS.
Delta is the fast spread higher viral load.
the PLUS, is a mutation of the spike protein which gives it higher evasion of the immune system.
-mostly been used interchangeably in recent news cycle.
LAMBDA-variant (from Peru), 3 new mutation.
senior researcher Kei Sato of the University of Tokyo believes "Lambda can be a potential threat to… human society".
"Because the Lambda variant is relatively resistant to the vaccine-induced antisera (blood serum containing antibodies against specific antigens), it might be possible that this variant is feasible to cause breakthrough infection.
with mRNA tech
I'm assuming this is not good::Not sure if the numbers I saw were for a state or the country but basically while not as high (yet) the infection rate is climbing faster than it was at peak last year.
I'm assuming this is not good::Not sure if the numbers I saw were for a state or the country but basically while not as high (yet) the infection rate is climbing faster than it was at peak last year.
-Sturgis Motorcycle rally 700,000 attendee going full steam, no mask in sight. Woke Netizens remark how this is an extremely vulnerable population noting their average waist size and generally low class appearance.(https://i.redd.it/ao7p7blgftf71.jpg)
I know the wife and I are finally planning to get our shots for the Vax - definitely not an Anti-Vaxxer since I have always received a Flu shot every year. I've just been hesitant towards it since there hasn't been an approval via the FDA etc and seeing the adverse affects pool as well, which yes is a small collective of adverse reactions from it but they're still there. Knowing my luck I would be lumped into the pool of having a reaction beyond the norm.I can understand waiting, that's being cautious not bull headed.
the adverse affects pool as well, which yes is a small collective
I know the wife and I are finally planning to get our shots for the Vax - definitely not an Anti-Vaxxer since I have always received a Flu shot every year. I've just been hesitant towards it since there hasn't been an approval via the FDA etc and seeing the adverse affects pool as well, which yes is a small collective of adverse reactions from it but they're still there. Knowing my luck I would be lumped into the pool of having a reaction beyond the norm.
I would prefer to go the J&J route and be one and done, but the majority of what is being dealt out in my area is the Pfizer mRNA version. I am definitely not 100% hermit since I am always going between work and home during the week then to other family members homes over the weekends (all family members are vaxxed, we're the last ones in GA to go get it - other than the kids).Considering how difficult it is to contain, you're almost certain to get covid at one point or another. The better your vaccine protection, the less ill you'll get, and the less likely you'll get long-term damage. Two-dose vaccines protect better than the single-dose J&J ones. I don't understand why people don't jump on the opportunity to get two-dose vaccines, frankly.
I don't understand why people don't jump on the opportunity
I would prefer to go the J&J route and be one and done, but the majority of what is being dealt out in my area is the Pfizer mRNA version. I am definitely not 100% hermit since I am always going between work and home during the week then to other family members homes over the weekends (all family members are vaxxed, we're the last ones in GA to go get it - other than the kids).Considering how difficult it is to contain, you're almost certain to get covid at one point or another. The better your vaccine protection, the less ill you'll get, and the less likely you'll get long-term damage. Two-dose vaccines protect better than the single-dose J&J ones. I don't understand why people don't jump on the opportunity to get two-dose vaccines, frankly.
tp, you should take a break from the news. I fear for your mental health.
People's capacity for stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Perhaps it's me, then, who is stupid xD .
I don't understand why people don't jump on the opportunity
Believe me, the majority of the human race is flummoxed by this conundrum.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/348719/billion-unwilling-covid-vaccine.aspx (https://news.gallup.com/poll/348719/billion-unwilling-covid-vaccine.aspx)
Yes, on one hand, they did handle the lockdown better than most places. On the other hand, they also caused it :p . I mean sure, it's a bit childish to blame it all on the Chinese, but it's perhaps also not bad to not forget that fact :p .I would prefer to go the J&J route and be one and done, but the majority of what is being dealt out in my area is the Pfizer mRNA version. I am definitely not 100% hermit since I am always going between work and home during the week then to other family members homes over the weekends (all family members are vaxxed, we're the last ones in GA to go get it - other than the kids).Considering how difficult it is to contain, you're almost certain to get covid at one point or another. The better your vaccine protection, the less ill you'll get, and the less likely you'll get long-term damage. Two-dose vaccines protect better than the single-dose J&J ones. I don't understand why people don't jump on the opportunity to get two-dose vaccines, frankly.
Unless you're in China, they've got it handled. lock down 11million people over only 80 cases.
Yes, on one hand, they did handle the lockdown better than most places. On the other hand, they also caused it :p . I mean sure, it's a bit childish to blame it all on the Chinese, but it's perhaps also not bad to not forget that fact :p .
Unless you're in China, they've got it handled. lock down 11million people over only 80 cases.
I would prefer to go the J&J route and be one and done, but the majority of what is being dealt out in my area is the Pfizer mRNA version. I am definitely not 100% hermit since I am always going between work and home during the week then to other family members homes over the weekends (all family members are vaxxed, we're the last ones in GA to go get it - other than the kids).The J&J has had the most problems and more significant problems with people and lowest protection.
I would prefer to go the J&J route and be one and done, but the majority of what is being dealt out in my area is the Pfizer mRNA version. I am definitely not 100% hermit since I am always going between work and home during the week then to other family members homes over the weekends (all family members are vaxxed, we're the last ones in GA to go get it - other than the kids).The J&J has had the most problems and more significant problems with people and lowest protection.
Just get any, it's better than what you have now which is none.
Perhaps it's me, then, who is stupid
The government have announced, just this evening, that they're not going to make the same mistakes as previously again, hence there won't be relaxation of the rules. They WILL however drop the 1.5 metre rule, face masks, take away the visitor limits on cafes, bars, pubs and clubs, and open most other limited events.
Perhaps it's me, then, who is stupid
Your country appears to have approximately equal shades of green on both charts.
there won't be relaxation of the rules.
They WILL however drop the 1.5 metre rule, face masks, take away the visitor limits on cafes, bars, pubs and clubs, and open most other limited events.
Ughh.... neighbors having a Delta contagion party.. / scared, good thing there are trees in between us.
And they hire some sort of entertainer/ mc who are basically super-spreaders. And he just mouthed off a joke about the virus.
/ Anger mode.Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/14.gif?w=560)
set up a wall of fans to blow the air in their direction.
Also, it's not all doom and gloom. It may be here forever, but we will eventually have better and better treatments for it. cheer up, tp. have a drink and some nachos.
Hmmmmnnnnnone.
there won't be relaxation of the rules.
They WILL however drop the 1.5 metre rule, face masks, take away the visitor limits on cafes, bars, pubs and clubs, and open most other limited events.
So, what rules remain unrelaxed?
Staying at home if you feel sick, no hand shakes, washing your hands, ventilation.Hmmmmnnnnnone.
there won't be relaxation of the rules.
They WILL however drop the 1.5 metre rule, face masks, take away the visitor limits on cafes, bars, pubs and clubs, and open most other limited events.
So, what rules remain unrelaxed?
It's, you know, politicians.
An underclassman from highschool died about a week ago from Covid-19, I just found out today. She was 32 years old. Apparently, she had just got engaged in March, planning on a wedding the next year. No idea on vaccination status, but she had been obese since school.
trying to get out of the fat loop, lost 40kg, gained back 20... ok part of it is muscle but not much, and that age hit quite close, most of my friends are 30 to 35... kinda scaryAn underclassman from highschool died about a week ago from Covid-19, I just found out today. She was 32 years old. Apparently, she had just got engaged in March, planning on a wedding the next year. No idea on vaccination status, but she had been obese since school.
Hmmmphhh.. kavik lookn' down on us phat peeps.
reusing the trailers
reusing the trailers
Don't worry, they will probably hose them down on the inside between assignments.
i am not sure it really matters, those things are meant to be properly disinfected between each jobs, if they are the same as food transport ones, either way there should not be much cross contamination possible.reusing the trailersDon't worry, they will probably hose them down on the inside between assignments.Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/14.gif?w=560)
Natural selection.
Bible Bangers dropping like flies.
Natural selection.
Bible Bangers dropping like flies.
We'll see who's stronger, God orDarwinNature.
i feel like creationist will read that as "who's stronger, God or God", dunno, maybe notFixed that for you.Natural selection.
Bible Bangers dropping like flies.
We'll see who's stronger, God orDarwinNature.
i feel like creationist will read that as "who's stronger, God or God", dunno, maybe not
__These honestly look like the same trucks they ship food in. I hope they're not just fudging the paperwork afterwards and reusing the trailers.. /gassssppppp.
__These honestly look like the same trucks they ship food in. I hope they're not just fudging the paperwork afterwards and reusing the trailers.. /gassssppppp.
They're all the same.
You don't buy a trailer at 10% less knowing it's going to limit what you can haul, you pay the extra knowing it will pay for itself down the road.
The more types of things you can haul the more jobs you can take.
I went with Darwin because creationists so specifically reject him, but yeah, Nature works as well, I guess.Natural selection.
Bible Bangers dropping like flies.
We'll see who's stronger, God orDarwinNature.
Fixed that for you.
Is this smarter or dumber than drinking bleach.. ?
Smarter. It probably doesn't burn your tongue nearly as bad going in.
What does that even mean ?
You can run but you can't hide.
Nope can't escape since I'm in a state that is red, and yeah the hospitals near are refusing ambulances due to cases.
Texas has you covered...
"Texas hospitals may soon deny unvaccinated patients access to ICU beds."
I'm sure the governor will enact some law to prevent this, because you know, it's Abbot.
Best answer I can give you is "because Texas".Texas has you covered...
"Texas hospitals may soon deny unvaccinated patients access to ICU beds."
I'm sure the governor will enact some law to prevent this, because you know, it's Abbot.
Is that legal ? can they reject a heart disease patient, even though it was his idea to eat exclusively burgers?
HOW can Alaska be red, there's NO-ONE THERE!
What does that even mean ?
You can run but you can't hide.
HOW can Alaska be red
It's probably a per capita rating. In that case, it's probably because the inhabitant got it, so 100% infection rate :p .
HOW can Alaska be red
I think that the rating is wrong. My understanding is that Alaska has done a pretty good job of vaccinating for a state with the better part of a million people.
https://alaska-coronavirus-vaccine-outreach-alaska-dhss.hub.arcgis.com/ (https://alaska-coronavirus-vaccine-outreach-alaska-dhss.hub.arcgis.com/)
Poison control center calls spike as people take livestock dewormer
HOW can Alaska be red, there's NO-ONE THERE!
Pfizer approval coming monday-ish, ya'll think they'll just move on to some other excuse ?
Pfizer approval coming monday-ish, ya'll think they'll just move on to some other excuse ?
"They" being anti-vaxxers? They don't need excuses, they have emotions.
alabama and mississipi cries and requests fema support.. o' rly....
Poison control center calls spike as people take livestock dewormer
Who made that up? Was it Q or Cozy Bear? Are they trying to wipe out their own base?
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?No doubt here - if you accept there is a problem and try to avoid it you should be rewarded for doing so.
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?
Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?No doubt here - if you accept there is a problem and try to avoid it you should be rewarded for doing so.
But the antivax are victims of socio-economic inequality. Being a bit dimmer upstairs is not entirely their fault.Stupid people blindly do what authority tells them, if they're too stupid to recognise a valid authority over some nutjob on youtube they should be
But the antivax are victims of socio-economic inequality. Being a bit dimmer upstairs is not entirely their fault.Stupid people blindly do what authority tells them, if they're too stupid to recognise a valid authority over some nutjob on youtube they should beshotterminated not pitied.
Being a bit dimmer upstairs is not entirely their fault.
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?Definitely not ethical.
Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?
Definitely not ethical.
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?
Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?
Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.
If resources are not constrained, yes, it's unethical.
You have enough resources to treat everyone, this is how hospitals normally operate.
If resources ARE constrained, it is not unethical it's actually more ethical.
Not only are vaxx'ed more likely to survive but you are actually now penalizing those who did do what they were asked and rewarding those who did not. If unvaxxed soak up all your resources people who are there through no fault of their own may get less or no treatment.
they became dumb, the socio-economic divide destined them
they are born into intellectual disadvantage
they became dumb, the socio-economic divide destined them
they are born into intellectual disadvantage
Radical Right's civil coup in the early-1980s
That goal would not have been possible without 2 parallel undercurrents: the crippling of the educational system (and the scuttling of critical thinking in particular), and the establishment of a web of disinformation media within the brand-new realm of cable TV
the heart of the Right Wing in the US, and the idiotic buffoonery of anti-vaxxers is icing on the cake.
disagree that it was a right-wing only agenda.
It's always people vs oligarchs.
After the great reversal of the parties a century ago, the Democratic Party has stood for the common good and the Republican Party has defended the power of the wealthy.
disagree that it was a right-wing only agenda.
It's always people vs oligarchs.
Read "The Calculus of Consent" by Buchanan and Tullock if you are unclear on what has happened since Brown v Board of Education.
Take the sum total of what each side has done over the past century and add it up.
The results are stark and unambiguous.
When your lungs don't work filling them with oxygen isn't a really fix - all of them would have died had they stayed at home.
why people need encouragement to gt vaccinated.
Lovely.
why people need encouragement to gt vaccinated.
In the US that is not the case at all. At this point, anybody who is not vaccinated is probably militantly opposed to the existence of the vaccine itself.
To the point that they are willing to intimidate and even assault people for simply getting the vaccine or wearing a mask in public.
Lovely.
The housing market is very tight, so with the old tenants gone they will raise their rents sky-high and write brutal new contracts to make it as easy as possible to get the new tenants out when the time comes.
raise rent, but who'd come live there, there'd have to be an increase in job opportunity / population density, wages even ?[/size][/color]
Housing construction has fallen behind population growthHow many anti-vaxers need to die to turn this around? There seem to be enough of them...
I don't know how bad Texas and Florida are for housing crisis but it's not enough to cure California's housing crisis, though it could help so don't be surprised if a few right wing Californians move. The very thing those places don't want is more progressive Republicans yet they kill off the right wingers leaving a vacuum for more progressives... Not the most brilliant strategy.Housing construction has fallen behind population growthHow many anti-vaxers need to die to turn this around? There seem to be enough of them...
high rent is a coastal thing
high rent is a coastal thing
I am too old and probably won't be around to see it, but many members here will live to see many of the world's coast lines inundated, some to the tune of kilometers.
My advice is: don't invest in property that is less than multiple meters above sea level and/or within a couple of kilometers from the current temporary coast line.
PS - and take your dream beach vacations sooner rather than later
Qcumbers are not bad people, they're misinformed.
distance when necessary
3 Seperate anti-vax radio hosts died in 1 month.Dude, radio is pretty huge. I imagine it's even bigger in America with all the bible bashing stations.
Didn't know people still listened to so much radio.
it's even bigger in America with all the bible bashing stations.
I'm not trying to be obtuse or put people in boxes, but I was kind of under the impression that in the US, all bible bashers are far right, and mostly vice versa. Is this inaccurate?
it's even bigger in America with all the bible bashing stations.
Bible bashing? I don't think so. Did you mean "Bible Thumping"?
AM radio in the US is almost exclusively hard-right oriented.
https://newrepublic.com/article/157926/rights-reign-air-waves (https://newrepublic.com/article/157926/rights-reign-air-waves)
I was kind of under the impression that in the US, all bible bashers are far right, and mostly vice versa. Is this inaccurate?
You have to be poor and poorly educated to be a (Legit) bible thumper.
You have to be poor and poorly educated to be a (Legit) bible thumper.
Where do you get that? I have never heard the term associated with either economics or education.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bible-thumper (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bible-thumper)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Bible-thumper (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Bible-thumper)
I have never heard the term "bible thumper" before. I indeed meant christian zealots. I've also never heard "bible basher" refer to someone who is actually opposes religion. Interesting. You learn something new every day.
I was kind of under the impression that in the US, all bible bashers are far right, and mostly vice versa. Is this inaccurate?
Your response sent me on a quest of dictionary and slang definitions, and specifically US/UK differences. That is something that I often find myself doing.
In the US, the word "bash" almost universally means hating, crushing, destroying, etc. I have never actually heard anyone say "Bible-bashing" although "God-bashing" and "religion-bashing" are not uncommon. I think that if you said "Bible-bashing" in the US, 99%+ of people would assume that you are talking about speaking out vehemently and aggressively against Western religion.
On the other hand, "Bible-thumping" is a VERY common and widely accepted (even by those who do it) expression derived from evangelists' habit of touching or tapping a Bible to emphasize the points that they are making during their screeds.
So yes, your point was correct although it would not commonly have been taken so in this country.
And while it is true that most religious zealots gravitate towards the far right end of the spectrum (although not necessarily for the same reasons) not all right-wingers are religious. But that does not stop the accusatory rhetoric about "liberal aetheists" (a not-subtle rebranding of "Godless Communists") and a fervent desire to demolish the wall of separation between Church and State.
I have never heard the term "bible thumper" before. I indeed meant christian zealots. I've also never heard "bible basher" refer to someone who is actually opposes religion. Interesting. You learn something new every day.
I was kind of under the impression that in the US, all bible bashers are far right, and mostly vice versa. Is this inaccurate?
Your response sent me on a quest of dictionary and slang definitions, and specifically US/UK differences. That is something that I often find myself doing.
In the US, the word "bash" almost universally means hating, crushing, destroying, etc. I have never actually heard anyone say "Bible-bashing" although "God-bashing" and "religion-bashing" are not uncommon. I think that if you said "Bible-bashing" in the US, 99%+ of people would assume that you are talking about speaking out vehemently and aggressively against Western religion.
On the other hand, "Bible-thumping" is a VERY common and widely accepted (even by those who do it) expression derived from evangelists' habit of touching or tapping a Bible to emphasize the points that they are making during their screeds.
So yes, your point was correct although it would not commonly have been taken so in this country.
And while it is true that most religious zealots gravitate towards the far right end of the spectrum (although not necessarily for the same reasons) not all right-wingers are religious. But that does not stop the accusatory rhetoric about "liberal aetheists" (a not-subtle rebranding of "Godless Communists") and a fervent desire to demolish the wall of separation between Church and State.
My impression on right-and-religious was partly reinforced by how many popular far-right show hosts appear to be vehement christians, frequently spouting christian taboos and intolerances. They are often easy to pick out in the comments on my videos, as well xD .
The goalpost no longer exists.
Approval doesn't matter, testing no longer matters (I heard one claim they want 10 years), my brother is now only opposed to getting it because the gov says he has to for work (in a hospital). Keep in mind he gets a LOT of money from that same government for foster/adopted kids and much of his employment history has been through the same gov. Someone close dying is the ONLY thing that will convince him and even that may not.
What is truly amazing is how many of their leaders saying to not get the shot already got the shot and yet they follow blindly, and then call us the sheep.
I find it deeply ironic that people who belong to religious groups, called a flock, think we're the sheep.
then call us the sheep.
I find it deeply ironic that people who belong to religious groups, called a flock, think we're the sheep.
Severe ivermectin poisoning on the rise.. ??
If you get anywhere near requiring hospitalization it's like taking a shotgun to the lungs. You may survive, but you're gonna have bad lungs for a long time , if not forever...
Under imaging, covid lung is WORSE than smoker's lungs. And people give smokers beef about their lungs all the time.
Oxygenation is the primary cause for hospital admission, Alveoli damage, the airsacs are difficult if not impossible to regenerate. COPD (Emphysema) very common post damage.
If you get on a ventilator, then it's bad forever. 75%-90% you'll die though so. odds right?
Why is this not scary for people?
It is scary. It's why over 70% of the population has had at least 1 shot. It's why most of the people in the US wear masks.
they get a feed from the patient and machines, and they just watch from online
they get a feed from the patient and machines, and they just watch from online
That makes total sense to me. With numerous patients to be monitored, just watching the screens could certainly be a full-time job.
Wthh... There is such a thing as a VIRTUAL ICU nursing position now ?I believe this has been a thing for a while now.
So, they get a feed from the patient and machines, and they just watch from online, and if something's up, needs to be done, they call the staffing
VIRTUAL + ICU.. Seeeeems, Unsafe, guess this is an emergency scenario with the staffing problem.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)
Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.Curious if the mods are out there deleting this guys posts
They are. Or at least one is.Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.Curious if the mods are out there deleting this guys posts
Gargling iodine.
Gargling iodine.
But it doesn't hurt your mouth nearly as much as bleach.
Up to 30% of Covid patients suffer post-viral dysautonomia, long-Covid type neurological disorders; lingering brain fog, short-term memory loss, cognitive issues, dizziness, rapid heartbeat, and fast breathing.You mean they'll become even stupider? Is that possible?
This will go splendid, antivaxxers + hardware brain disorder.
You mean they'll become even stupider?
Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.
More like feeling hungover or a minor migraine.Up to 30% of Covid patients suffer post-viral dysautonomia, long-Covid type neurological disorders; lingering brain fog, short-term memory loss, cognitive issues, dizziness, rapid heartbeat, and fast breathing.You mean they'll become even stupider? Is that possible?
This will go splendid, antivaxxers + hardware brain disorder.
This is why I do not visit Reddit anymore, it is full of toxic circlejerking and making fun of people's death.Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
That Reddit is toxic I don't dispute for an instant, but frankly to me it looks more like they're making fun of the fact that these people keep talking about god, jesus and Trump and all sorts of other nonsense. That none if those will save them in the end isn't even worth pointing out, I think.This is why I do not visit Reddit anymore, it is full of toxic circlejerking and making fun of people's death.Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
Apparently the feds just screwed up the supply of antibodies to my state. Thanks a lot for the "help"government...You didn't want it and didn't take it, but yes, by all means, it was their fault.
That Reddit is toxic I don't dispute for an instant, but frankly to me it looks more like they're making fun of the fact that these people keep talking about god, jesus and Trump and all sorts of other nonsense. That none if those will save them in the end isn't even worth pointing out, I think.This is why I do not visit Reddit anymore, it is full of toxic circlejerking and making fun of people's death.Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
This disconnect
tells me I'm special.
I didn't need the antibodies because I am in my 20s. I took zinc and Ivermectin (human grade prescribed by our doctor) and niquil/dayquil. An elderly friend however needed the antibodies, thankfully he got them before the supply was cut. He is getting better now (will keep you guys updated on how he does).Apparently the feds just screwed up the supply of antibodies to my state. Thanks a lot for the "help"government...You didn't want it and didn't take it, but yes, by all means, it was their fault.
Will covid likely kill you, no, but it could mess you up for a long time or for life without actually killing you.I didn't need the antibodies because I am in my 20s. I took zinc and Ivermectin (human grade prescribed by our doctor) and niquil/dayquil. An elderly friend however needed the antibodies, thankfully he got them before the supply was cut. He is getting better now (will keep you guys updated on how he does).Apparently the feds just screwed up the supply of antibodies to my state. Thanks a lot for the "help"government...You didn't want it and didn't take it, but yes, by all means, it was their fault.
Lots of people here used the antibodies so I do not know what you mean by this.
You can blame the media that many people think your only options are:I'm assuming you think it's the pro-vax media that are saying that, but I'm pretty sure that it's actually the anti-vax media who say that. Because if you know anything at all about what's been happening the last one and a half years, you know that that's not only not true, it also completely misses every single point a pro-vaxxer would make.
1. Vaccine
2. Die
I haven't heard any advice on alternate treatments from most big media sources, any alternate treatments are shot down or suppressed by them and my government officials (HCQ, Ivermectin, the antibodies, etc.), something foul is going on here.You can blame the media that many people think your only options are:I'm assuming you think it's the pro-vax media that are saying that, but I'm pretty sure that it's actually the anti-vax media who say that. Because if you know anything at all about what's been happening the last one and a half years, you know that that's not only not true, it also completely misses every single point a pro-vaxxer would make.
1. Vaccine
2. Die
I haven't heard any advice on alternate treatments from most big media sources, any alternate treatments are shot down or suppressed by them and my government officials (HCQ, Ivermectin, the antibodies, etc.), something foul is going on here.It's most likely because they have extremely niche requirements in order to be effective (sunlight, bleach, ivermectin) and have proven to not be reliable/effective in a clinical setting. Not sure where you live but "the antibodies" (monoclonal antibody) is a treatment widely understood to reduce significant infection where I live (notable people who got this treatment include Trump and Joe Rogan).
They may as well say drinking honey or rosewater doesn't work either.I haven't heard any advice on alternate treatments from most big media sources, any alternate treatments are shot down or suppressed by them and my government officials (HCQ, Ivermectin, the antibodies, etc.), something foul is going on here.You can blame the media that many people think your only options are:I'm assuming you think it's the pro-vax media that are saying that, but I'm pretty sure that it's actually the anti-vax media who say that. Because if you know anything at all about what's been happening the last one and a half years, you know that that's not only not true, it also completely misses every single point a pro-vaxxer would make.
1. Vaccine
2. Die
Have you guys heard about the latest fad? Inhaling hydrogen peroxide !The vax is untested, but lets use horse dewormer and inhaler peroxide...
https://www.healthline.com/health/can-hydrogen-peroxide-kill-you#food-grade (https://www.healthline.com/health/can-hydrogen-peroxide-kill-you#food-grade)
The vax is untested, but lets use horse dewormer and inhaler peroxide...
Some seriously flawed logic here.
Not sure if I posted it here or not but I've been telling people once ivermectin is shown to not work well, they will find some other thing that's cheaper and/or easier to get in order to drive looks. It happened with silverhwatever, then it was ivermectin, and drinking bleach... now inhaling peroxide. Anti-vaxx is not about saving people, it's about views, looks and money.
My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
how are they even inhaling peroxide ? Is it not bubbly fluid ?[/color]Using a nebulizer.
My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!Not everyone dies without meds, around day 10 your either going to get over the hump and start feeling better or start going downhill rapidly. Just because someone got better while taking it, proves absolutely nothing, especially if they started taking it on day 8-10 which tends to be the peak of sickness and about the time people start resorting to whatever they can find.
My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
Obviously they're undercounting. Pretty sure these are confirmed cases only.My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
We're EASILY at 10-30 million, they're undercounting.
Obviously they're undercounting. Pretty sure these are confirmed cases only.
We're EASILY at 10-30 million, they're undercounting.
Is that since Wuhan or since the vaccine?My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
Looks like Jan 2020, judging by the data on the website.Is that since Wuhan or since the vaccine?My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
Do you mean a quarter of the deaths worldwide are now from Covid?My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
We're EASILY at 10-30 million, they're undercounting.
My sister-in-law and pretty much here whole immediate family now has it.
Mom's on a ventilator or headed there, dad is right behind her and her brothers and sisters (and several of their children) are also now infected.
All have been completely reckless about it, not to mention complete a$$holes, they've all but alienated themselves from long time friends and family.
All have been completely reckless about it
Not sure what you're posting. While I halve always 100% support an open and "free" internet I myself have reached a fatigue point with misinformation
Zealios commie confirmed?Not sure what you're posting. While I halve always 100% support an open and "free" internet I myself have reached a fatigue point with misinformation
I also have no idea what Zeal could possibly have to do with any of this.
Ok, now this is hilarious. Antivaxxer wants to buy ECMO machine for Home Use instead of taking the vaccine.I imagine it'd be fairly difficult to get hold of one now too xD .
These are 0.25-0.5 $Million dollar machines, and require trained operators. hahahahaha
I don't want to draw the mods ire by suggesting horse paste is what's saved me so far but I can confirm an increased libido & my mane is glossy.
It's been a thing for years.I don't want to draw the mods ire by suggesting horse paste is what's saved me so far but I can confirm an increased libido & my mane is glossy.Try No Poo, it's all the rage..
It's been a thing for years.I don't want to draw the mods ire by suggesting horse paste is what's saved me so far but I can confirm an increased libido & my mane is glossy.Try No Poo, it's all the rage..
*It means "no shampoo", just conditioner.
Most shampoos are extremely detergent heavy and strip all vitamins, minerals and oils from your hair, then you need heavy conditioners to put it all back. Before silicones and tv people didn't wash their hair daily, that was companies pushing that on you with commercials to sell more product. This where the excuse to skip out on date became "I'm washing my hair" because most did it only a couple times a week). To replace those things, you need a heavy conditioner and to hide the damage being done they load the conditioner up with silicones (anything ingredient with "cones" in the name is a silicone), now you need a heavy shampoo just to strip away the silicone... It's a never ending cycle of purging the good with the bad and hoping to replace enough of the good and hide what you didn't. This becomes more and more difficult the longer you hair. Some conditioners have so much silicone it can not only weigh down your hair but also build up in your home's plumbing. All this ignores the other harsh chems and things in the shampoo and conditioner.
Tp4's only concern has been environmental pollution sticking to the oils in the hair. we got all this Chemi-Dust.Water should strip away the contaminated oil, that's part of the reason it's there.
Maybe a balance can be struck at once a week maybe 2 weeks ?[/size][/color]
Well that went bad fast
they didn't expect her to survive the night,
Tp4's only concern has been environmental pollution sticking to the oils in the hair. we got all this Chemi-Dust.Water should strip away the contaminated oil, that's part of the reason it's there.
Maybe a balance can be struck at once a week maybe 2 weeks ?
With short hair, it's probably more than fine, you can use almost anything with really short hair, military guys are known to just use bar soap for shampoo with no conditioner at all. With really long hair I question if the natural oils can even get that far without spending all day brushing it to push it down to the ends. Even with lots of conditioner mine seems to change about mid back no matter how hard I work it or what shampoo or conditioner I use.
Yes, this has fundamentally surprised me as well. It's statistically quite expected and explainable, of course, but I'd be lying if I said it's not frightening Oo .
Well that went bad fast
they didn't expect her to survive the night,
Whoa! That's awful. From the beginning I have been mystified by the differences between responses and reactions, how can it be that the same virus can be so deadly in some circumstances while others have asymptomatic cases and never even notice it?
Yes, this has fundamentally surprised me as well. It's statistically quite expected and explainable, of course, but I'd be lying if I said it's not frightening Oo .
Well that went bad fast
they didn't expect her to survive the night,
Whoa! That's awful. From the beginning I have been mystified by the differences between responses and reactions, how can it be that the same virus can be so deadly in some circumstances while others have asymptomatic cases and never even notice it?
What is the maximum range of the scalp's natural oils in your experience, in inches, 6-7 inches ?I would imagine it would depend on the person and hair type.
Update:
Apparently at least 2 of the 3 are now off bipap, not sure if out of I.C.U. yet though. While I hope this wakes them to the reality of the situation, I;m honestly not sure, I suspect they will blow it off and claim they have another 6 months of immunity and go about their bussines as they always have.
I'm quite conscious I'm a stone overweight. Been trying to lose it for 3 years it just doesn't wanna shift!
I got my 3rd shot yesterday. It was free, essentially painless, and took perhaps 35 minutes total inside the pharmacy.I'd definitely get a 3rd shot if I could. Don't think they're doing it here yet.
Downsides: minuscule prick of pain from the needle, slight soreness in the upper arm (continuing today), and possibly a slight fever yesterday (but I didn't bother to measure).
I got my 3rd shot yesterday. It was free, essentially painless, and took perhaps 35 minutes total inside the pharmacy.I'd definitely get a 3rd shot if I could. Don't think they're doing it here yet.
Downsides: minuscule prick of pain from the needle, slight soreness in the upper arm (continuing today), and possibly a slight fever yesterday (but I didn't bother to measure).
I got my 3rd shot yesterday. It was free, essentially painless, and took perhaps 35 minutes total inside the pharmacy.I'd definitely get a 3rd shot if I could. Don't think they're doing it here yet.
Downsides: minuscule prick of pain from the needle, slight soreness in the upper arm (continuing today), and possibly a slight fever yesterday (but I didn't bother to measure).
120,000 orphaned in the USA due to Covid.Orphanage? Probably gonna get addicted to drugs from what I've seen.
/headscratch, so like, where they gon' go ?
120,000 orphaned in the USA due to Covid.Orphanage? Probably gonna get addicted to drugs from what I've seen.
/headscratch, so like, where they gon' go ?
Infants will get adopted out fast.
The older ones will end up in foster homes, better than an orphanage, but still not always good. Especially for girls.
Amish will adopt a lot of them, it's one of the few ways they get fresh blood in their ranks.
it's one of the few ways they get fresh blood in their ranks.
the Church
TLDR: Im lazy and love sleep, time with friends, and video games. Spending 3 hours during my prime sleep time to drive an hour to walk in to a doctors office in a reasonable area without a gut busting emergency is just wasteful to me.
Disclaimer: I do not have infinite time or money. I do not hang out around elderly people, and I do not fear death as I got the next 20 years of trying to pay off 80k student loans with a 22 bucks an hour wage that I know in my heart of hearts is gonna be hard to pay off without inflation.
TLDR: Im lazy and love sleep, time with friends, and video games. Spending 3 hours during my prime sleep time to drive an hour to walk in to a doctors office in a reasonable area without a gut busting emergency is just wasteful to me.
Disclaimer: I do not have infinite time or money. I do not hang out around elderly people, and I do not fear death as I got the next 20 years of trying to pay off 80k student loans with a 22 bucks an hour wage that I know in my heart of hearts is gonna be hard to pay off without inflation.
There' is an insulation between realities. If you could see what's happening in the hospitals, you may change your mind, but alas, we can only read about it.
30-50 year olds now account for the majority. It goes from nothing to 999 Bad in the blink of an eye.
If you do end up having to GO IN, there's Long-Covid, and permenant lung damage potential. You MAY be a cripple even if you survive.
Because of the insulation from your off-schedule lifestyle, you are not assessing risk correctly.
You have an antivax mother, Being non-vaxxed, YOU ARE A HUGE RISK TO HER On top of Her brainwashing being a huge risk to herself.
If anything you should be MORE motivated to be vaxxed, NOT LESS.
Delta variant Covid will find your mother, and in all likelihood kill her if she remains antivax.
the pandemic is over for you
Disclaimer: I do not have infinite time or money. I do not hang out around elderly people, and I do not fear death as I got the next 20 years of trying to pay off 80k student loans with a 22 bucks an hour wage that I know in my heart of hearts is gonna be hard to pay off without inflation.You may not have much to worry about the way inflation is likely to rise in the near future.
I have accepted my life is temporary and fleeting and will enjoy as many last suppers as I can before one of any number of things comes to take my life at any time, even immediately after posting this message, not taking any of my interactions with people for granted.It's good to not be scared of death but you might want to consider the transition part from life to death, that's the part that hurts and Covid can drag that out for a long time.
anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
If there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
If there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
the saddest foodstuff
If there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
Veg is the food that my food eats. It's not fit for human consumption, it's not humane to make people eat plants! :pIf there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
Chyros, as a scientist, you know all about mis-attribution errors. The majority of ALL (meat) dishes's flavor COMES FROM vegetables.
Meat on its own is a highly toxic greasy sponge clinging to the FLAVOR BOMB that is PLANTS.
Veg is the food that my food eats. It's not fit for human consumption, it's not humane to make people eat plants! :pIf there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
Chyros, as a scientist, you know all about mis-attribution errors. The majority of ALL (meat) dishes's flavor COMES FROM vegetables.
Meat on its own is a highly toxic greasy sponge clinging to the FLAVOR BOMB that is PLANTS.
it's not humane to make people eat plants!
ALL(meat)dishes's flavor COMES FROMvegetablesdirt.
abbot bans vaccines mandates including private business.
That is correct, I live in a city :p .
it's not humane to make people eat plants!
Clearly you have never had a garden.
Standing in your garden, eating fresh ripe things that you have grown, directly off the plant, is a truly sublime pleasure.
It's one of the worst vegetables in existence. There is a reason it looks like a solidified fart cloud - IT IS :p .Veg is the food that my food eats. It's not fit for human consumption, it's not humane to make people eat plants! :pIf there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
Chyros, as a scientist, you know all about mis-attribution errors. The majority of ALL (meat) dishes's flavor COMES FROM vegetables.
Meat on its own is a highly toxic greasy sponge clinging to the FLAVOR BOMB that is PLANTS.
Broccoli is simply divine, change my mind.
Update on family
All are out of the hospital,
Sis-in-law is still on minimal oxygen but is home.
Nephew is fine.
Her dad is home and doing fine
Mom is expecting to be heading home but will need physical therapy.
Again, Covid is not live or die, black or white, it can screw you up for years or the rest of your life even if you survive it.
All are out of the hospital,
Here's something docs need to be telling people and are not...
The shots re-awaken the side effects, so if you had sleep problems due to Covid and had made progress getting back to normal, getting the shot or a booster can trigger it to start again, shorter, and less severe, but it can re-awaken them. While after is good, you really want the shot before you get Covid, not after.
Here's something docs need to be telling people and are not...
The shots re-awaken the side effects, so if you had sleep problems due to Covid and had made progress getting back to normal, getting the shot or a booster can trigger it to start again, shorter, and less severe, but it can re-awaken them. While after is good, you really want the shot before you get Covid, not after.
Hadn't heard of this one. Sheesh, Covid is the gift that just keeps on giving.
Do they all have senses of smell and taste back? Just out of curiosity.Not sure.
Powell already had a rare blood cancer, his days were numbered in any case.Wait WAT :))
Just when we thought the pinnacle of crazy had been reached, it just keeps going:
https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-private-school-to-require-students-getting-covid-vaccine-to-stay-home-for-30-days-after-each-dose/ (https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-private-school-to-require-students-getting-covid-vaccine-to-stay-home-for-30-days-after-each-dose/)
Their tuition is only 14K, so you know it's one of those off brand private schools for <almost> rich parents.Highest tuition fee you can get here is 2k, many other countries it's free :p .
Their tuition is only 14K, so you know it's one of those off brand private schools for <almost> rich parents.Highest tuition fee you can get here is 2k, many other countries it's free :p .
humansRepublicans are stupid.
pfizer approved for ages 5-11.
They'll certainly take it now.
pfizer approved for ages 5-11.This age group is barely capable of walking without falling over trying to watch someone walking past them, they will do what they're told by their parents. Average number of children rises as intelligence falls so the percentage of the populate that's vaccinated will only get worse...
They'll certainly take it now.
I don't think it will be cheap without insurance. I could see about $1000 but then $30-$50 after insurance. And yes, antivaxers will take it. They don't fear the vaccine at all. They just think it was witheld to make Trump look bad and Biden look good. All of their theories are just excuses to own up to that truth. This isn't the vaccine, so it won't be on their ubiquitous hate radar.
If you don't want the vax, honestly, I'm fine with that.
Do NOT however work in a science field and dismiss it, why are you working on/in something you do not believe in...
And if you don't want it, stick to your guns and stay the hell home if you get it. As many have said they "made their choice", so stop running to the hospital for help, you made your choice right? You shouldn't get to have it both ways. You wanted this fight, you kept pushing... Stick to your guns and ride it out.
covid is the direct result of Animal agriculture/consumption
covid is the direct result of Animal agriculture/consumption
I would appreciate seeing legitimate evidence of this.
Although there is no doubt that industrial agriculture and over-population have accelerated the rate, pathogens have been hopping between species from the beginning.
if we didn't EAT animals
animals were domesticated by humans
if we didn't EAT animals
animals were domesticated by humans
Are you forgetting that gonorrhea is a cow disease and that syphilis is a sheep disease?
There's absolutely nothing 'scientific' about a blanket demand for 100% of the population to take a brand new medication with zero long-term data available, without question or justification. Each person should, like every other medication, make their own risk assessment with their doctor to see what's right for them. Most people won't even update their electronics right away, buy the first year of a new car, or paint something before testing on an inconspicuous area. :pThis was not new, it's simply "new".
We're so far from a 'scientific' approach to this and it has become entirely political and even cult-like (cults do not permit the questioning of anything and go after anyone who does). Science must be thorough, challenged, debated, examined with the finest care, but most of all, honest and ethical.Yes, it is political, but I think you're pointing fingers the wrong direction.
Alright, but then we'll have to give back the massive amount in taxes people pay for care (especially in countries like mine with "universal care" you want to deny). We'd also have to stop treating everyone who you consider "made their choice" -- all of the obese, smokers, drinkers, substance abusers, anyone with health issues following the shots, etc... they should stay home and be ineligible for care, by your standards.
There's absolutely nothing 'scientific' about a blanket demand for 100% of the population to take a brand new medication with zero long-term data available, without question or justification. Each person should, like every other medication, make their own risk assessment with their doctor to see what's right for them. Most people won't even update their electronics right away, buy the first year of a new car, or paint something before testing on an inconspicuous area. :pThis was not new, it's simply "new".
It had been in the works for years for use on SARS and even then heavily based on flu shots.
Herd immunity doesn't require 100% and it was never expected to have 100%, the goal is to get as close to 100% of those who can take the shot to get it, allowing room for those who cannot. This is how we've done with every other vaccine.
In need of a Hail Mary
Founded in 2012, Moderna reached unicorn status — a $1 billion valuation — in just two years, faster than Uber, Dropbox, and Lyft, according to CB Insights. The company’s premise: Using custom-built strands of messenger RNA, known as mRNA, it aims to turn the body’s cells into ad hoc drug factories, compelling them to produce the proteins needed to treat a wide variety of diseases.
But mRNA is a tricky technology. Several major pharmaceutical companies have tried and abandoned the idea, struggling to get mRNA into cells without triggering nasty side effects.
Bancel has repeatedly promised that Moderna’s new therapies will change the world, but the company has refused to publish any data on its mRNA vehicles, sparking skepticism from some scientists and a chiding from the editors of Nature.
The indefinite delay on the Crigler-Najjar project signals persistent and troubling safety concerns for any mRNA treatment that needs to be delivered in multiple doses, covering almost everything that isn’t a vaccine, former employees and collaborators said.
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In Moderna’s eyes, the one-in-million disease looked like an ideal candidate for mRNA therapy. The company crafted a string of mRNA that would encode for the missing enzyme, believing it had hit upon an excellent starting point to prove technology could be used to treat rare diseases.
But things gradually came apart last year.
Every drug has what’s called a therapeutic window, the scientific sweet spot where a treatment is powerful enough to have an effect on a disease but not so strong as to put patients at too much risk. For mRNA, that has proved elusive.
In order to protect mRNA molecules from the body’s natural defenses, drug developers must wrap them in a protective casing. For Moderna, that meant putting its Crigler-Najjar therapy in nanoparticles made of lipids. And for its chemists, those nanoparticles created a daunting challenge: Dose too little, and you don’t get enough enzyme to affect the disease; dose too much, and the drug is too toxic for patients.
From the start, Moderna’s scientists knew that using mRNA to spur protein production would be a tough task, so they scoured the medical literature for diseases that might be treated with just small amounts of additional protein.
“And that list of diseases is very, very short,” said the former employee who described Bancel as needing a Hail Mary.
Crigler-Najjar was the lowest-hanging fruit.
Yet Moderna could not make its therapy work, former employees and collaborators said. The safe dose was too weak, and repeat injections of a dose strong enough to be effective had troubling effects on the liver in animal studies.
We're so far from a 'scientific' approach to this and it has become entirely political and even cult-like (cults do not permit the questioning of anything and go after anyone who does). Science must be thorough, challenged, debated, examined with the finest care, but most of all, honest and ethical.Yes, it is political, but I think you're pointing fingers the wrong direction.
This is not even as hardcore as we have been in past pandemics such as Polio.
Alright, but then we'll have to give back the massive amount in taxes people pay for care (especially in countries like mine with "universal care" you want to deny). We'd also have to stop treating everyone who you consider "made their choice" -- all of the obese, smokers, drinkers, substance abusers, anyone with health issues following the shots, etc... they should stay home and be ineligible for care, by your standards.
It's not about the taxes, it's about available resources, our emergency rooms are not overflowing with smokers and alcoholics are they? Combat triage, you focus on those you can save. At this point unvaxxed, because of their choices are killing people who did get the vax because they get into accidents and such and can't get help. If you don't want to vax, fine, "you made your choice you have to live with it", that's exactly what you told people who did vax, now the shoes on the other foot, you should have to live with your choices just as we did.
Also,
Stop making false equivalences, you complained it was political then you make false equivalences... This is exactly how this was made political.
Oh and take a deep look, all those people who told you not to vax and fight for your right not to, most of them secretly went and got vaxxed, which is also how you know it was actually safe. Trump and his cronies and the wealthy wouldn't have secretly run out and cut lines to get it if it wasn't. If there really was some doubt, they'd have hidden away and waited it out, instead they went and got it.
Also, here's an article from 2017 regarding Moderna's attempts at mRNA vaccines:MRNA is new, Pfizer and J&J are not, even when a med is based on another they still have to study it.
Where am I pointing fingers? Everyone on all sides needs to take a step back and a deep breathe before attacking anyone who says one way or the other. The vaccines are neither some evil thing norYou're going to get a few dissenters just to be contrarians on anything and yet pretty much all actual virologists (not facebook experts) agree on this.
some miracle without issue.
You're right though, polio was far more serious an illness, and primarily affected kids rather than the elderly.And how did we get rid of it? Vaccines.
It certainly is about the taxes if you're going to force people to pay massive amounts of their annual income for service and then deny them that service (though the human rights violation seems more pertinent).This has nothing really to do with the conversation and only threatens to derail it by flooding it with noise.
{lots of random universal care stuff}
Where's the "false equivalences"? Such an easy accusation to throw out at anyone without validating. I could assert you are making them by bringing up polio or DNA-based vaccines that don't apply here. What's political about examining the science of it? What is political is when you argue for people to be treated differently by the public services due to it.Twisting the conversation, not sure if on accident or on purpose.
Don't be that guy on the internet.
MRNA is new, Pfizer and J&J are not, even when a med is based on another they still have to study it.
As for MRNA, it's mostly the delivery method (RNA) that's really new, the rest is not.
If you're worried about it, don't get MRNA.
"They are seeing a waning of immunity not only against infection but against hospitalization and to some extent death, which is starting to now involve all age groups. It isn't just the elderly," Fauci said. "It's waning to the point that you're seeing more and more people getting breakthrough infections, and more and more of those people who are getting breakthrough infections are winding up in the hospital."
As a result of these findings, Fauci warned that vaccinated people should get their booster shot, as it might actually be more important than health officials first realized. "If one looks back at this, one can say, do you know, it isn't as if a booster is a bonus, but a booster might actually be an essential part of the primary regimen that people should have," he said on The Daily.
Fauci went on to say, "I think … that the boosting is gonna be an absolutely essential component of our response, not a bonus, not a luxury, but an absolute essential part of the program."
You're going to get a few dissenters just to be contrarians on anything and yet pretty much all actual virologists (not facebook experts) agree on this.
I can't recall anyone saying the vaccine was an outright miracle, much less one without issue, sure, someone probably said it and I'm sure someone has a clip of it, but it has always been that the vaxx was less dangerous than the virus, which is how all medicine is evaluated.
And how did we get rid of it? Vaccines.
Was it more dangerous or is Covid less dangerous because of modern science, health/cleanliness and medicine? Don't forget Covid isn't over, it could still mutate and become far worse.
You're counting your chickens a little too soon.
This has nothing really to do with the conversation and only threatens to derail it by flooding it with noise.
Don't be that guy on the internet.
Twisting the conversation, not sure if on accident or on purpose.
The false equivalent is saying fat people, smokers, alcoholics etc should also get less treatment. It is not the same as refusing a vaccination and telling people they have to live with the consequences if they get it. My comments were directed at people refusing to get vaxxed, catching covid and then running to the same hospitals/people they claim are trying to kill them with vaccines and over burdening the system clearly not built for that sort of sudden influx.
I'm not arguing people's choice, never have, but if anti-vaxxers want to throw out the "You have to live with the consequences of your decision" in regards to getting vaxx'd, which was told to me by my own brother, we should be able to throw that back at them when they flood our medical system and push out people who got there through no fault of their own (car accident, etc.) which has been a problem here.
Altis,
Is it remotely possible that you've been Duped by your choice of media outlet ?
Sometimes I recall a piece of information widely spoken of and quickly google it to grab a link, not caring too much which one pops up (usually there are many reporting the same thing in various ways). There are stories that, while valid and referenced, are simply not touched at all by swathes of the media on one side or the other.
I try to use official sources to form my views, most notably the public health agencies of the governments and the manufacturers themselves. Even that must be investigated since there's often details that are included but buried that can change the context quite a bit.
Sometimes I recall a piece of information widely spoken of and quickly google it to grab a link, not caring too much which one pops up (usually there are many reporting the same thing in various ways). There are stories that, while valid and referenced, are simply not touched at all by swathes of the media on one side or the other.
And many just quote each other,
The conspiracy world is a game of circle jerk. A lot of bad sites have figured out extremely well how to game Google, especially if they are purposely lying, why wouldn't they cheat for search results.
I try to use official sources to form my views, most notably the public health agencies of the governments and the manufacturers themselves. Even that must be investigated since there's often details that are included but buried that can change the context quite a bit.
Official sources are good, but only when taken in context.
Have you ever looked at the side effects of birth control or pretty much any other medication?
Women take far more risk just taking birth control pills every day, scary stuff and yet no one pays attention (especially if they want to get laid) until they want to point out the risks of one thing they get freaked out about.
When you assess the percentage of deaths per case in each age bracket, the data is abundantly clear that the 0-19 age bracket is of negligible risk (it's actually zero if you exclude those with the significant health conditions).
The issue is there is currently no long-term data available on these vaccines. For all the talk of how they are "safe and effective", the reality is there is simply no data to make these assertions long-term. The 5-11 age bracket has by far the most to risk given that they are not developed, have years until they reproduce, and have many decades of expected life ahead of them. They also have the least to gain since the serious outcome rate is incredibly low to them, effectively zero if they do not have underlying conditions that put them at risk.
to catch covid on purpose, then they die.
to catch covid on purpose, then they die.
A few years ago I heard about a female girl gang where you had to have sex with a man with AIDS as an initiation rite.
to catch covid on purpose, then they die.A few years ago I heard about a female girl gang where you had to have sex with a man with AIDS as an initiation rite.
What's that? Omicron Persei 8 is invading Earth?ALL THE MORE REASON TO JOIN ME!!!
I'm thinking about injecting myself with horse tranquilizers to own the libshartsKetamine party? I am in.
who's with me?
I'm thinking about injecting myself with horse tranquilizers to own the libshartsKetamine party? I am in.
who's with me?
That is ok with me.I'm thinking about injecting myself with horse tranquilizers to own the libshartsKetamine party? I am in.
who's with me?
Reasonably sure those arn't very lively parties.
I've heard very mixed stories of them, although I've never tried it myself. From what I understand you just kind of sit or lie on a couch and think you're another form of matter or energy, basically.I'm thinking about injecting myself with horse tranquilizers to own the libshartsKetamine party? I am in.
who's with me?
Reasonably sure those arn't very lively parties.
I've heard very mixed stories of them, although I've never tried it myself. From what I understand you just kind of sit or lie on a couch and think you're another form of matter or energy, basically.
Not really, but I live in the Netherlands :p . Not as much drug stigma here.I've heard very mixed stories of them, although I've never tried it myself. From what I understand you just kind of sit or lie on a couch and think you're another form of matter or energy, basically.
chyros, hangs out with all the kewl people.
Also, they're doing special chewing-GUM that traps covid.. Your thoughts ? [/size][/color]Hadn't heard of it yet, so I looked it up. Not sure how tasty it'd be but it contains spike proteins that the virus particles attack, so the idea behind it is sound. It'd almost certainly make your drool less viral, but not sure if it would work with sneeze/cough particles as well because I don't know if you have those in the gum zone before the sneeze/cough itself.
New research this week finds that people hospitalized with severe covid-19 often pay a heavy price afterward. The study concluded that these survivors were more than twice as likely to die in the subsequent 12 months compared to people who had tested negative for the virus. This relatively increased risk of death was even higher for people under the age 65. While there remains much research to be done, studies thus far have made it clear that many covid-19 survivors can experience lingering symptoms even after the infection itself has cleared up. And those who are hospitalized are all the more vulnerable to these aftereffects. Severe covid often seriously damages the lungs and other organs, while life-saving interventions like steroids, ventilators, and life support devices like ECMO can take a toll on the body as well.
Anyone going to I.C.U. has a higher risk of death in the following 12 months, your body took a beating but it's way worse for Covid.
I'm not seeing a pattern here, are You ??Pattern seems really clear to me. Vacc shows nonlinearny inverse proportional trend with Trump %, high death count is very underrepresented with low Trump % compared to high Trump %. Median deaths per 100k vor high Trump voting counties seems clearly way higher.
The little tick marks are crosses, clearly antichrist.
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Pattern seems really clear to me. Vacc shows nonlinearny inverse proportional trend with Trump %, high death count is very underrepresented with low Trump % compared to high Trump %. Median deaths per 100k vor high Trump voting counties seems clearly way higher.
That's not to say there are other factors that influence the trend, of course. Trump voters have demographic characteristics that can be the reason for this trend that have nothing to do with Trump.
Trump voters have demographic characteristics
That new pill that Pfizer is saying is 90% effective against hospitalization, will it work against future variants? I seem to rmember reading that it worked differently and would essentially work against any variant. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
Some mixed-messages on omicron lately, it's mild, it's deadly...
Spreading rapidly though.. that's already clear..
Presenting symptoms have for sure changed (probably for the better). Headache, fatigue and sneezing being far more prevalent.Personally I preferred the old version (assuming what I have now is Omicron - too many people getting tests means 58 of my 24-48 hours before notification have now passed but not allowed to chase it for another couple of days)
Ahh... p00
Omicron extensively but incompletely escapes Pfizer BNT162b2 neutralization. A new study adds more evidence that the omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can evade the immune protection conferred by vaccines and natural infection.
Omicron is 70% less likely than delta to require hospitalization and being vaxxed in any way is going to make it even less likely.Ahh... p00
Omicron extensively but incompletely escapes Pfizer BNT162b2 neutralization. A new study adds more evidence that the omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can evade the immune protection conferred by vaccines and natural infection.
I thought they already said this a few weeks ago. Won't protect against infection, but protects against severe sickness when you get it. Isn't that the current plan?
I wonder how many rounds of progressively worse symptom-ed doses scientists expect people to endure as I'm yet to speak to anyone who's had a booster without significant weirdness in one of many ways.If you think what they experienced is odd, the real thing would have been even worse for them.
if the US government made getting vaxxed a legal requirement.
Get creative with the shaming
make their life annoying and miserable.
None of the above.
Until they themselves become ashamed of the Quixote-esque meaninglessness of their behavior, there will be no turning them "from the outside" ....
My anti-vax brother, the one who's wife and in-laws only just got out of I.C.U and nearly died a month ago yet still refused to get vaxxed, he just tested positive, probably omicron. If that doesn't kill him, his wife might. The kicker, he's been working a hospital emergency room for the 2 days it took to test and get the results back, he thought he had a head cold so he kept right on working.Even if the state (or whatever) doesn't insist on vax surely he'll get fired for working with symptoms? As I understand America anyone who visited that ER and tested positive since will be suing the hospital, assuming they work out that's where it came from.
Covid can fix stupid..No, he's just a jerk*.
It may be important to remain empathetic though, they're not fundamentally bad people, even though they are poorly educated and gravely mis-informed.
As I've said from the beginning this is NO DIFFERENT than someone who's born into a Poor-household.
Even if the state (or whatever) doesn't insist on vax surely he'll get fired for working with symptoms? As I understand America anyone who visited that ER and tested positive since will be suing the hospital, assuming they work out that's where it came from.In 2005 we passed the PREP ACT (Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act), which shields companies against this for the most part, we knew something like this was coming, hence getting the vaxx so quickly. Also more than 20 states have passed laws specifically granting businesses immunity from Covid lawsuits.
Most people are there for Covid anyhow, can't catch what you already have.I went to the ER to get my finger stuck back together a couple of weeks ago and there was plenty of blood and bruises and even a suicidal person (is that really ER worthy?!) but no covid, it's hard to imagine just how bad you have it over there. Suppose I shouldn't be surprised that the rich have insulated themselves from the problem though, and of course your hospitals are businesses which is different from here.
probably a million reasons, antivaxr holidayn' but DAmNnn...Peak will be Feb. with an estimated 10k dead per day.
an estimated 10k dead per day.
Covid can fix stupid..I suspect in time Omikron will drive Delta away and it will become the dominant strain. It's a more successful strain because it's more contagious, but less virulent, which is the hallmark of a successful disease. It's not in the virus' interest to kill you, after all.
It may be important to remain empathetic though, they're not fundamentally bad people, even though they are poorly educated and gravely mis-informed.
As I've said from the beginning this is NO DIFFERENT than someone who's born into a Poor-household.
Ems tech quoting Event Horizon, Don't know how to feel about that:Patient load is easy to solve. Just toss all antivaxxers out of all the hospitals. Two birds with one stone :p .
Him quoting: "Hell is just a word. The reality is, much, much worse."
He's talking about the current patient load, the likelihood of complete medical collapse in the next few month, and omicr0n.
Patient load is easy to solve. Just toss all antivaxxers out of all the hospitals. Two birds with one stone :p .
Unethical is easy to solve. Institute a mandatory visit to a nearby location where you have to either get vaccinated on the spot, or sign a binding waiver that you'll not go to a hospital if you get sick from Covid. Won't help clear beds immediately, but should achieve similar results after 1-2 weeks.Patient load is easy to solve. Just toss all antivaxxers out of all the hospitals. Two birds with one stone :p .
I can't seem to find the stats on how many antivaxxers they're actually able to save.
If it's a very low number, unethical yes, but hrrrmm...
Unethical is easy to solve. Institute a mandatory visit to a nearby location where you have to either get vaccinated on the spot, or sign a binding waiver that you'll not go to a hospital if you get sick from Covid. Won't help clear beds immediately, but should achieve similar results after 1-2 weeks.
The whole point is that the hospitals have plenty of people waiting for treatment even without Covid patients knocking on their door. And if they've been vaxxed, by all means, go ahead, save a life. Of course these patients should be treated.Unethical is easy to solve. Institute a mandatory visit to a nearby location where you have to either get vaccinated on the spot, or sign a binding waiver that you'll not go to a hospital if you get sick from Covid. Won't help clear beds immediately, but should achieve similar results after 1-2 weeks.
I don't think this would be legal. The hospital is not allowed to not treat a dying person.
Problem is how quickly they go from sniffles to dying with Covid.
The whole point is that the hospitals have plenty of people waiting for treatment even without Covid patients knocking on their door. And if they've been vaxxed, by all means, go ahead, save a life. Of course these patients should be treated.
What I DON'T agree with is antivaxxers getting sick and then taking up an IC bed that bars literally DOZENS of patients from getting life-saving treatments. Do you know how many cancer patients are having to wait for a treatment just because a whole bunch of people refuse to take responsibility? I mean if not getting vaccinated is that important to you, they ought to put their money where their mouth is, IMO.
What I DON'T agree with is antivaxxers getting sick and then taking up an IC bed that bars literally DOZENS of patients from getting life-saving treatments. Do you know how many cancer patients are having to wait for a treatment just because a whole bunch of people refuse to take responsibility? I mean if not getting vaccinated is that important to you, they ought to put their money where their mouth is, IMO.
Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?
Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?None of that is even remotely the same as a pandemic.
If there was one bed available and I'd have to choose between treating lung cancer in a heavy smoker vs a non-smoker, I'd know which to choose, yes. Plus, we already penalise certain unhealthy acts such as smoking and drinking. However, you're naming a lot of long-term things. Getting a vaccination takes a few minutes, not a lifetime. Plus, we're dealing with a rapidly spreading virus with which you're at risk of spreading to others - the danger goes way beyond yourself. The question is a rather apples-and-pears IMO.
What I DON'T agree with is antivaxxers getting sick and then taking up an IC bed that bars literally DOZENS of patients from getting life-saving treatments. Do you know how many cancer patients are having to wait for a treatment just because a whole bunch of people refuse to take responsibility? I mean if not getting vaccinated is that important to you, they ought to put their money where their mouth is, IMO.
Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?
I'm not sure I agree with that statement. Perhaps it's because of the difference in socio-political climates in our countries that I can't identify, but frankly I find that a poor excuse. Not knowing the law isn't an excuse for breaking it, either. In this life, your choices have consequences - that's something we all have to live with. And frankly there is MORE than enough information about this virus out there that you couldn't miss even if you tried. The only conclusion is that if you're uneducated about the basic aspects of vaccination, you're choosing to be.The whole point is that the hospitals have plenty of people waiting for treatment even without Covid patients knocking on their door. And if they've been vaxxed, by all means, go ahead, save a life. Of course these patients should be treated.
What I DON'T agree with is antivaxxers getting sick and then taking up an IC bed that bars literally DOZENS of patients from getting life-saving treatments. Do you know how many cancer patients are having to wait for a treatment just because a whole bunch of people refuse to take responsibility? I mean if not getting vaccinated is that important to you, they ought to put their money where their mouth is, IMO.
Upfront I agree. But intellectual inequality is a product of education, where both the quality and access is gated by socio-economic classes.
You can't entirely blame the poorly educated for this outcome. The leadership (economic and political) extracted too much time-wealth from the poor, the poor spent what little time they had on entertainment instead of self-improvement, and we end up with a largely dim-witted population.
Taken to the extreme in slavery, would you turn around and blame the slaves for not knowing better how to fight for their best interest when they live under malnourishment and the whip ?
There is no disagreement here that antivaxxers are stupid, but the ethical treatment clause is there because their misfortune is not "entirely" their fault.
because of the difference in socio-political climates in our countries
Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?None of that is even remotely the same as a pandemic.
All of that is predictable, we're equipped for it, our hospitals are geared for daily life problems including everything you mentioned with a few spare beds, they are not equipped for a 10,000% surge.
What part of this do you not understand?
Again, maybe it's different where you live, but before the pandemic, I wouldn't say medical care here is "in scarcity". And if they invent a pill or vaccine against cancer or other diseases, I'll probably be backing the same statement. But I wouldn't call dodging a vaccination out of sheer stupidity and not doing your 5 a day every day the same thing.Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?None of that is even remotely the same as a pandemic.
All of that is predictable, we're equipped for it, our hospitals are geared for daily life problems including everything you mentioned with a few spare beds, they are not equipped for a 10,000% surge.
What part of this do you not understand?
I don't understand how people overburdening the healthcare system is any different whether it's caused by not being vaccinated (assuming the vaccines are effective and I believe they reduce the severity of the Covid), or other causes the are preventable. What don't you understand about that?
For decades, medical ethicists have asked similar questions, whether it's triaging patients or deciding who should get the donor liver. As long as medical care is in scarcity, whether caused by a pandemic or economic realities, my question is valid.
Again, maybe it's different where you live, but before the pandemic, I wouldn't say medical care here is "in scarcity". And if they invent a pill or vaccine against cancer or other diseases, I'll probably be backing the same statement. But I wouldn't call dodging a vaccination out of sheer stupidity and not doing your 5 a day every day the same thing.Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?None of that is even remotely the same as a pandemic.
All of that is predictable, we're equipped for it, our hospitals are geared for daily life problems including everything you mentioned with a few spare beds, they are not equipped for a 10,000% surge.
What part of this do you not understand?
I don't understand how people overburdening the healthcare system is any different whether it's caused by not being vaccinated (assuming the vaccines are effective and I believe they reduce the severity of the Covid), or other causes the are preventable. What don't you understand about that?
For decades, medical ethicists have asked similar questions, whether it's triaging patients or deciding who should get the donor liver. As long as medical care is in scarcity, whether caused by a pandemic or economic realities, my question is valid.
There's definitely more scarcity where you live, then. And honestly, something like a tax on unhealthy foods for example may not be a bad thing to consider. It already exists in several places. That way, the extra money can go to hospitals to help deal with it - a bit like smokers' and drinkers' taxes go to healthcare already.Again, maybe it's different where you live, but before the pandemic, I wouldn't say medical care here is "in scarcity". And if they invent a pill or vaccine against cancer or other diseases, I'll probably be backing the same statement. But I wouldn't call dodging a vaccination out of sheer stupidity and not doing your 5 a day every day the same thing.Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?None of that is even remotely the same as a pandemic.
All of that is predictable, we're equipped for it, our hospitals are geared for daily life problems including everything you mentioned with a few spare beds, they are not equipped for a 10,000% surge.
What part of this do you not understand?
I don't understand how people overburdening the healthcare system is any different whether it's caused by not being vaccinated (assuming the vaccines are effective and I believe they reduce the severity of the Covid), or other causes the are preventable. What don't you understand about that?
For decades, medical ethicists have asked similar questions, whether it's triaging patients or deciding who should get the donor liver. As long as medical care is in scarcity, whether caused by a pandemic or economic realities, my question is valid.
Where I live, It is common for people to wait months to see a specialist. I would call that scarcity. Especially with a cancer diagnoses where early detection and treatment is critical. Also, medical costs outpacing inflation is an empirical indicator of a supply shortfall (at least in a free market society). I agree that there is a difference between not being vaccinated and some of the other risk factors mentioned earlier, but not as much as you may be implying. Why shouldn’t the individual be responsible for their choices instead of society?
I don't understand how people overburdening the healthcare system is any different whether it's caused by not being vaccinated (assuming the vaccines are effective and I believe they reduce the severity of the Covid), or other causes the are preventable. What don't you understand about that?
For decades, medical ethicists have asked similar questions, whether it's triaging patients or deciding who should get the donor liver. As long as medical care is in scarcity, whether caused by a pandemic or economic realities, my question is valid.
Why shouldn’t the individual be responsible for their choices instead of society?
Leslieann, you’re sounding very emotional about a very academic question I asked about healthcare. I was not questioning anything about Covid policies except how their practices compare to past practices regarding health services provided to people who in some ways are responsible for their conditions. Government has been assigned the rightful role in health concerns greater than the individual. As soon as they claim responsibility for health outcomes for the individual they, by necessity, have the right to limit personal freedom. This concerns me.
There will always be differences of opinions about best health practices: animal vs plant based diets, high physical activity vs emphasis on inactivity, western vs eastern medicine—the list can go on and on and one size doesn’t fit all. Let people make there own health and lifestyle choices and let them accept the consequences, good or bad, for them.
BTW, excessive costs and limited access to healthcare has been a constant concern in the US since at least the Clinton administration. I would hardly call my “overburdening” comment bull.
Pandemics like Covid happen every 100 years or so, so should we build hospitals with them in mind, always have 100 spare beds, rooms and associated staff (around 400 people) to handle them at every hospital? Is that enough? Is it too much? How much of a burden is that going to be? And without knowing ahead of time how it's transmitted all your efforts could be a waste, or completely overbuilt. Keep in mind it may be 20, 50, 80, 200 or maybe 500 years before the next one, 100 is just an average.
Not seeing anythign emotional from Leslie's posts concerning your (imo) trap of a post.
TP, I agree with the bulk of what you are saying.
TP, I agree with the bulk of what you are saying.
This should be a T-shirt or bumper sticker.
Leslieann, you’re sounding very emotional about a very academic question I asked about healthcare. I was not questioning anything about Covid policies except how their practices compare to past practices regarding health services provided to people who in some ways are responsible for their conditions. Government has been assigned the rightful role in health concerns greater than the individual. As soon as they claim responsibility for health outcomes for the individual they, by necessity, have the right to limit personal freedom. This concerns me.You're meshing lifestyle and health issues/policies/choices with a global pandemic, yes they're medical issues, but I've not heard of anyone catching cancer or obesity from another person, your analogy would be better suited to something like flu or the common cold.
There will always be differences of opinions about best health practices: animal vs plant based diets, high physical activity vs emphasis on inactivity, western vs eastern medicine—the list can go on and on and one size doesn’t fit all. Let people make there own health and lifestyle choices and let them accept the consequences, good or bad, for them.
BTW, excessive costs and limited access to healthcare has been a constant concern in the US since at least the Clinton administration. I would hardly call my “overburdening” comment bull.
Leslieann, you’re sounding very emotional about a very academic question I asked about healthcare. I was not questioning anything about Covid policies except how their practices compare to past practices regarding health services provided to people who in some ways are responsible for their conditions. Government has been assigned the rightful role in health concerns greater than the individual. As soon as they claim responsibility for health outcomes for the individual they, by necessity, have the right to limit personal freedom. This concerns me.You're meshing lifestyle and health issues/policies/choices with a global pandemic, yes they're medical issues, but I've not heard of anyone catching cancer or obesity from another person, your analogy would be better suited to something like flu or the common cold.
There will always be differences of opinions about best health practices: animal vs plant based diets, high physical activity vs emphasis on inactivity, western vs eastern medicine—the list can go on and on and one size doesn’t fit all. Let people make there own health and lifestyle choices and let them accept the consequences, good or bad, for them.
BTW, excessive costs and limited access to healthcare has been a constant concern in the US since at least the Clinton administration. I would hardly call my “overburdening” comment bull.
Basically were comparing apples and oranges and you walk by and shout "pizza".
It has no bearing on the conversation but you can't seem to understand the difference.
LLann wants to punish the antivax because they're responsible for what agency they possess.
I'm sorry, I can't accept poverty as an excuse for deliberately ignoring public service announcements. If you're too poor to be educated, OK fine, but that doesn't mean you should think that you're better than people who DO know what they're talking about.Why shouldn’t the individual be responsible for their choices instead of society?
The individual should be responsible, but they can not be responsible for the "entirety" of their happenstance.
Let's say a person is born low on the socio-economic ladder. He's going to play that hand of cards regardless. There are limited options available to him. It may also be the case that most of those options are bad.
If his parents were not well educated, then they pass down a set-of-worldly-ignorances to him, he becomes a bigot or some colloquial low life, that's just playing his hand.
Rags to riches is extremely rare, and coming out of a backwards mindset typically takes more than 1 generation of climbing.
Now, in a world with even greater economic gap, the climb is extended. The wealthy made those decisions, not the poor.
A great deal of the rural population are also basically <Pre-Internet> during their basic education, so there's a LOT of updates/patches missing in their general comprehension.
Then we look at education. The Vaxxed often exclaim, don't these anti-vax understand statistics ?, can't they see that the numbers add up to xxxx-outcome and explains xxxx-options.
Go to any college, they have remedial-math-courses. What IS remedial math. Basically, anything between fractions and algebra 1.
Now, this is age 18+, what if a person didn't go to colllaag, well.. he enters the world with very little number sense beyond, bigger number means more.
LOTS of people take remedial math. Lots of people don't go to collag.
You don't need to end ALL animal agriculture. Perhaps people should just stop eating bat soup and pangolin steak :p .Pandemics like Covid happen every 100 years or so, so should we build hospitals with them in mind, always have 100 spare beds, rooms and associated staff (around 400 people) to handle them at every hospital? Is that enough? Is it too much? How much of a burden is that going to be? And without knowing ahead of time how it's transmitted all your efforts could be a waste, or completely overbuilt. Keep in mind it may be 20, 50, 80, 200 or maybe 500 years before the next one, 100 is just an average.
We've had many close calls with Hundreds of such viruses in the last 50 years with the proliferation of CAFO Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations. <animal agriculture>
If the trend continues, it's likely we'll have something serious like covid every 5-10 years. NOT 100.
The majority of major pandemics are Zoonotic. Virus jump from animal host (harmless to that animal) , into humans, wrecking havok.
End animal agriculture, and it'll take care of 90% of pandemic risk.
poverty as an excuse for deliberately ignoring public service
I'm sorry, I can't accept poverty as an excuse for deliberately ignoring public service announcements. If you're too poor to be educated, OK fine, but that doesn't mean you should think that you're better than people who DO know what they're talking about.
You don't need to end ALL animal agriculture. Perhaps people should just stop eating bat soup and pangolin steak :p .
Anyone --Suspicious-- of these written nurses bedside accounts popping up lately ?I'm reminded of a story I heard a few years ago...
They're extremely well written.. Sure, nurses are educated people, surely some of them have writing skills, but incredibly coherent and stylistically uniform.. Hrrrm...... And Multiple, not just 1 nurse.. hrrrm....
This is insane, you don't want covid guys, when they have to strap you to one of these, it's like 99% death.And if that doesn't kill you, the cost will if you're in the U.S.
Patients are dying 100 feet from the Hospital door when the beds are full. The wait time goes to several hours, even for REAL emergencies.Exactly my point. This is inexcusable.
Dang, treatable , large accidents/heart attacks/strokes are all Instant Kills now.
Don't do anything big during covid peaks, you could die.
Anyone --Suspicious-- of these written nurses bedside accounts popping up lately ?I'm reminded of a story I heard a few years ago...
They're extremely well written.. Sure, nurses are educated people, surely some of them have writing skills, but incredibly coherent and stylistically uniform.. Hrrrm...... And Multiple, not just 1 nurse.. hrrrm....
Some famous older rock musician (I forget who) walked into a bar and heard a band just killing it and yet he'd never heard of them, after listening for a bit he realized that his band wasn't really any better than this one, they just got a lucky break by in being in the right place at the right time and meeting the right people. Both bands could have easily swapped places in history and no one would have known.
And it really is that simple.
There is a ton of raw talent out there but life, desires, and luck can all get in the way and prevent you from becoming the next Beatles, George R. R. Martin or Elon Musk. Ask yourself how many of those people do we even need? The odds of you breaking through and becoming famous or even an industry leader becomes less and less every day as the population gets larger and larger and more and more educated.
These covid testing sites, So many people on that line, couldn't they infect one another ? They seem to all be pretty close, and some mouth breathers.Just today saw a line, probably 60 people, no social distancing at all... I mean, come on.
When I went for a PCR one of the guys directing cars was refusing to get tested. Maybe he always works outside, wearing a mask and not actually talking to people except through closed car windows (which is all I saw him do) so he's not really at risk but it did seem strange. Unless they're supposed to be tested every day and his nose got sore...
When I went to get my booster the other day it was mostly staffed by young people wearing RAF (military airforce) uniforms, that was strange too.
it was mostly staffed by young people wearing RAF (military airforce) uniforms, that was strange too.
it was mostly staffed by young people wearing RAF (military airforce) uniforms, that was strange too.
That's for the free labour. Poor ****ers probably got recalled off leave. Different part of the world but Australia has developed a recent fetish for trying to make Defence do everything natural disaster/pandemic, pretty much everything that isn't their primary function. It's pissing the majority of Defence pers off also.
trying to make Defence do everything
I understand, but it is a good strong healthy pool of labor that is getting paid anyway. If the alternative is fighting a war, then this is more mundane but less hazardous.
Hardly.
Well, most of the time defense is paid to do nothing but sit on their butts..
Tp4 has observed that the soldier stuff is basically alot of bad command organization and waiting around doing nothing.
kekeke.. well certainly not _the whole_ military.Other branches are similar.
My right leg is hurting like hell.
It might be the knee replacement surgery 2 weeks ago.
Leg pain...Did you get a shot or booster or maybe catch Covid?
Thoughts ? Omicron ?
The literature is pretty scary, Might be blood clots..Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/14.gif?w=560)
take asprin, dude. GH is only interest checks and TP posts at this point. I don't wanna lose the primary source of off-topic discussions
take asprin, dude. GH is only interest checks and TP posts at this point. I don't wanna lose the primary source of off-topic discussions
Second day, leg's ok-ish, ankle still feeling some soreness.
Sense of smell ok, oximeter 98%
Covid detection doge's
Is this how doge covid becomes a thing ?
Thoughts ?
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Covid detection doge's
Is this how doge covid becomes a thing ?
Thoughts ?
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N95s are pretty expensive, and "recently" sold out everywhere. "round here"Tons at local our Home Depot.
Texas schools ask parents to be substitute teachers as the actual teachers are sick and or dead.
don't want to get vaccinated, don't want any COVID related treatments because they don't believe in them
Doctor's quote: Both, HILARIOUS, and Shockingly sad..Sounds like time for combat triage.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1uEw5z3.gif)Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/82.gif?w=560)
Now I'm seeing beds being blocked by people who don't want to get vaccinated, don't want any COVID related treatments because they don't believe in them, but they still want to be in hospital. The beds are blocked by these people, who abuse us, and I'm having to watch people with heart attacks, strokes, surgical needs, cancers, motor vehicle accidents, burns, etc, all wait in accident and emergency for a bed. I've started to see the unnecessary deaths pile up, started to see people have bad outcomes that didn't need to be as bad if they had gotten onto the wards quicker.
Latest antivax vogue,lolwut
Benadryl + Milk = The CuRE
oh man, that last line.. like out of a zombie movieWow, that's... pretty hefty stuff Oo .
Nurse:
Putting someone in a body bag is so ****ing unceremonious. I don’t care what you say about dying with dignity. Put someone in a ****ing body bag. They are just meat and flesh and weight. I open the window for him.
I came home in a mood. I swore I wouldn’t keep doing this. I make breakfast for my husband, silently willing him to work quicker. I shower, and when he’s gone, I take a long, hard pull from the bottle of tequila I have hidden in the freezer. I can’t keep doing this. I don’t cry.
Lot of people at work complaining about COVID-like symptoms, but without any fever.Only something like 40% of people with Covid have a fever (I didn't).
Lot of people at work complaining about COVID-like symptoms, but without any fever.Only something like 40% of people with Covid have a fever (I didn't).
There is no single universal symptom.
Honestly, I'm not sure I believe that.
No One Chooses to be a moron.
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No One Chooses to be a moron.
Honestly, I'm not sure I believe that.
No One Chooses to be a moron. Antivaxxers are born into a set of conditions and they don't cross the line intellectually.Some people do.
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News Headline:Weird, over here cases are soaring but hospitalisations are dropping like a stone Oo .
Omicron is not that mild: 50,000 to 300,000 more US deaths projected by March
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Yes, that's exactly what I was aiming at. Choosing to be ignorant is not an excuse for being a moron.On the other hand, I would describe the behavior of the Radical Right as "aggressive ignorance" ....
No One Chooses to be a moron.
Honestly, I'm not sure I believe that.
Lot of people at work complaining about COVID-like symptoms, but without any fever.Only something like 40% of people with Covid have a fever (I didn't).
There is no single universal symptom.
Only a matter of time now...
I eat no veggies and am precluded from doing exercise atm, still never got it! (yet)Only a matter of time now...
Veggies + Xercise
I eat no veggies
Why? XD
I eat no veggies
I find this very difficult to believe.
Perhaps if you exclude tomatoes, potatoes, wheat, rice, and barley?None of those are vegetables I think, but yeah.
Onions I do eat with some regularity though.
Onions I do eat with some regularity though.
Onions are seasoning, not vegetable. My dog is a ****ing vegetable though.
Onions I do eat with some regularity though.
Onions are seasoning, not vegetable. My dog is a ****ing vegetable though.
I ate his little face, I ate his little nose, and I ate the way he's always barking!
I keep getting these texts:Well it's a step up from e-mail spam - at least it's written in proper English. Though it could be read as a warning so maybe it's genuine?
THE CDC WANTS YOU TO KNOW THERE ARE HOT SINGLES IN YOUR AREA WITH COVID-19. SO HOT THEY ARE BURNING UP!
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33988001/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33988001/)Is this scary or coincidental? I don't understand the medical terms but I do note they had just two samples - that's never enough for a proper study. Covid symptoms are massively varied so just because two people who had Covid got ED doesn't mean 99.99% of people wont. Any Covid survivor non ED sufferers up for giving them a sample?
TL;DR - Conclusions: Our study is the first to demonstrate the presence of the COVID-19 virus in the penis long after the initial infection in humans.
Our results also suggest that widespread endothelial cell dysfunction from COVID-19 infection can contribute to ED.
Future studies will evaluate novel molecular mechanisms of how COVID-19 infection leads to ED.
I keep getting these texts:
THE CDC WANTS YOU TO KNOW THERE ARE HOT SINGLES IN YOUR AREA WITH COVID-19. SO HOT THEY ARE BURNING UP!
Is this scary or coincidental? I don't understand the medical terms but I do note they had just two samples - that's never enough for a proper study. Covid symptoms are massively varied so just because two people who had Covid got ED doesn't mean 99.99% of people wont. Any Covid survivor non ED sufferers up for giving them a sample?
Influenza, in that sense, represents a very successful virus in its gradual mutation and amazing endurance.Viruses aren't conscious or even really alive, tbh. They are simply mutation made flesh; an inevitable by-product of us being based on DNA. The Monkey Shakespeare analogy essentially predicts that near-limitless, imperfect copying of a list of commands (which is really what DNA is) will at some point end up with an erroneous command that reads "replicate me infinitely", and that's how viruses came to be. Their existence is pretty much guaranteed; compared to complicated organisms like us, the odds of them existing versus "humans" existing is virtually infinite. The fact that they mutate so rapidly is also why I've found viruses to be an excellent way to explain evolution to religious people, by the way.
an erroneous command that reads "replicate me infinitely"
Viruses aren't conscious or even really alive, tbh. They are simply mutation made flesh; an inevitable by-product of us being based on DNA.
I think you really should look up what viruses are, how DNA works, and how cells affect their function :p .Viruses aren't conscious or even really alive, tbh. They are simply mutation made flesh; an inevitable by-product of us being based on DNA.
Viruses are nano-machines.
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As for Conscious-ness, They Run on the ANIMAL consciousness, INCLUDING human consciousness.
I think you really should look up what viruses are, how DNA works, and how cells affect their function :p .
Others at the gathering (which was not large) went and got tested, all were negative so I should be fine.
If you're sick, don't willingly pass it around, doesn't matter if it's Flu, a cold or Covid, no one wants to share your misery and unless.
No Touching, Please.. Back, get back, No touching, hey, you , back.... BACK....
You keep calling them nano-machines but they're NOTHING like that, and they have no behaviour or thought. That's my whole point. The way they work is based on nothing but inevitability.I think you really should look up what viruses are, how DNA works, and how cells affect their function :p .
"" OUR DECISIONS greatly influence where these incompatible nano-machines end up. ""
I was clearly talking about the consequence of human agency, problems as actuated by our collective decisions.
But Even outside of that, we know that biochemical messengers impact gene expression, it's still possible that there is a direct consciousness link between the nano-machine's behavior and thought.
Americans are already ultra non-touchy xD . Could it get any worse? :pOthers at the gathering (which was not large) went and got tested, all were negative so I should be fine.
If you're sick, don't willingly pass it around, doesn't matter if it's Flu, a cold or Covid, no one wants to share your misery and unless.
This is going to create a further Intimacy Gap in American Culture.
No Touching, Please.. Back, get back, No touching, hey, you , back.... BACK....
You keep calling them nano-machines but they're NOTHING like that, and they have no behaviour or thought. That's my whole point. The way they work is based on nothing but inevitability.
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****posting by anti-vaxxers ?
Front Page News !
confusing anti-vaccination statements
Not keeping up with news lately,
Neil Young/ Joni Mitchell are removing their music from Spotify because of confusing anti-vaccination statements on a certain podcast
time to torrent everything ! no more streaming ! : )
(Attachment Link)THIRTY PULL UPS?! Didn't know TP was ripped Oo .
Xenon gas MRI
Long Covid patients have poor lung function despite never having required Hospital care.
Large dark areas on the right represents extremely poor gas transfer capability of the lungs, very poor function = breathlessness (a hallmark of Long Covid).
Good bye sports career, basically turning people into late stage smokers even if they've never smoked. <chronic low oxygen> also raises the risk of certain cancer types.
Tp4 Used to do 30 pull ups. Can only do ~10 now.Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/14.gif?w=560)
THIRTY PULL UPS?! Didn't know TP was ripped Oo .
THIRTY PULL UPS?! Didn't know TP was ripped Oo .
Back in the day...Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/43.gif?w=560)
Must have been before TP went vegan.
This dumbass who is refusing a heart transplant because he doesn't want to get vaxxed, quite literally choosing to die on that hill.
This dumbass who is refusing a heart transplant because he doesn't want to get vaxxed, quite literally choosing to die on that hill.I think that's a good thing. Wouldn't it be selfish to refuse to get vaxxed but then take up a perfectly good heart instead of someone who might actually deserve it? I think if you're gonna go anti-vaxx, you should take responsibility for it, and he did.
This dumbass who is refusing a heart transplant because he doesn't want to get vaxxed, quite literally choosing to die on that hill.
I thought he died, when was this ?
I think that's a good thing. Wouldn't it be selfish to refuse to get vaxxed but then take up a perfectly good heart instead of someone who might actually deserve it? I think if you're gonna go anti-vaxx, you should take responsibility for it, and he did.
A couple of months old, but still valid.
So..... doctors are saying, if you get covid, heart health goes pfffffttt.. <based on veterans study>So even though when people catch the same variant they react differently if at all this study of mainly men (assuming veterans means ex-military) claims to have found a universal effect? As usual, I'm sceptical.
So..... doctors are saying, if you get covid, heart health goes pfffffttt.. <based on veterans study>So even though when people catch the same variant they react differently if at all this study of mainly men (assuming veterans means ex-military) claims to have found a universal effect? As usual, I'm sceptical.
Stroke risk +52%
Heart failure risk +72%
Stroke risk +52%
Heart failure risk +72%
Percentages only work when used in relation to a physical number.
Also, while some could be linked to Covid directly, how much was linked to people not going and doing their normal activities in fear of Covid?
Correlation is not always causation.
Measurable smeasurable, computers and databases allow us to measure things far easier than we used to.
It still means nothing without a number to base it on, especially in this since it's a percentage, or a percentage.
If 1in 100,000 people have a problem and that percentage doubles, it's significant, but it's still only 2 in 100,000 people. Your odds of getting it are still pretty slim despite doubling.
Now if we're talking 1in 1500 people and it doubled, then yes, your odds got significantly worse.
it doesn't exist, therefore no
I thought the teachers wanted vaccines.
No one wants to eat veggies to prevent cancer, they'd too busy getting cancer bacon and then paying for treatment (that don't work all that well).
I thought the teachers wanted vaccines.
Not the ones who are comfortable with 30 kids breathing, coughing, and sneezing in their direction in a closed room for 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
how strong our economy is, most in the U.S are struggling just to make ends meet.
something is very wrong with our economy
Latest CDC data shows, Antivaxxers = 97x more likely to die from covid, VS, boosted Adults.
https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/article-696452 (https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/article-696452)
Now we're reading all these reports of Major-antivaxxers who are secretly vaxxed but continue to perpetuate the rhetoric for Popularity points.
Now that they've "proven" ivermectin doesn't workSerious scientists found infected people willing to risk dying just so they could laugh at anti-vaxers? I guess if they were asymptomatic they didn't have much to lose but they still had to take horse medicine so I wouldn't have been keen.
Now that they've "proven" ivermectin doesn't work.... /suspenseful of what's next.Wait, they've only just now proven that? :))
Concepts like "proven" are very slippery to people who don't take science seriously.
After dissolving concepts like consensus and "the social contract" then uniformed people feel free to run amok.
My theory
Antivax mindset grew up with nobody to trust or a lack of government trust
Does not understand social contract with government
It's real hard to transfer your belief into the government after a lifetime of reinforced distrust
your belief into the government after a lifetime of reinforced distrust
"Reinforced" being the key concept. Acceptance of the social contract was near-universal in this country for nearly 2 centuries (the cessation of the Confederacy being the partial exception), but today (ie in my lifetime) it has been eroded by orders of magnitude due to the relentless assault of the Radical Right.
The first great hit landed was post-Vietnam/Watergate, the second when Reagan eviscerated the FCC, and then the coup de grace came with the universal spread of click-bait-driven profits on the interwebs.
Compartmentalizing the problems into Right vs Left is not an accurate
Compartmentalizing the problems into Right vs Left is not an accurate
Until 45 years ago that was true, the country as a whole was united in its general focus.
Since the mid-late-1970s, America-haters have become hardened in their efforts to divide us.
divide us
oppress us
divide us
oppress us
There are a small number of vaccinated people who do still get infected, but their symptoms are almost always mild and very rarely do they end up in hospital (or worse).
Don't repeat what media tells, you sounds like fart. You had ******* on your face. Literally.
9 new symptoms added to covid list:Hmm, I was under the impression that the shortness of breath thing is a lot less prevalent in Omikron patients than it had been in previous forms.
shortness of breath
feeling tired or exhausted
aching body
headache
sore throat
blocked or runny nose
loss of appetite
diarrhea
feeling sick or being sick
Br0, Tp4 gets at least 4-5 of these every day....... just from eating ramen.
i don't want to seem edgy but i honestly couldn't care less, if they choose not to get vaccinated and come up with their BS ideas on why they are correct (which they aren't) let them get covid.I would agree with you if it was just themselves they'd put at risk, but it isn't - antivaxxers are a public health hazard. Their choices reach far beyond just themselves. This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.
This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.
At first, being a liberal, I was of the opinion that people shouldn't HAVE to get vaccinated, but that they'd have to lose serious amounts of personal freedoms to limit the risk they post. "Put your money where your mouth is," basically. However, the more I've thought about it, the more I've come to the conclusion that this doesn't work, not really. You're actually curtailing OTHER people's freedoms that way, just for the sake of some self-centred illiterates. Thus the more logical thing, and the plan that leads to more freedom overall (including people who don't actually want to vaccinate) is to make vaccination mandatory.
This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.
Countries like yours can probably accomplish it with reason and logic.
The US has always had an obstreperous sub-population that constantly searches out motivations for getting triggered, and in recent years it has grown exponentially by becoming "political" rather than moral or social. Worse, a sizable sub-group of them have indulged themselves in self-gratification by accumulating massive collections of military equipment - specifically for use in their own country against their own fellow citizens!
The foundation stone of the social contract is the common good, but these malcontents luxuriate in a hatred that goes beyond mere selfishness to actually fabricating justifications for damaging or killing other humans - sometimes merely for their beliefs or opinions.
Relative to Covid, China has done a better job, and they're STILL doing a better job.
Have they though? You can't trust the numbers coming out from China.
I'm not saying Countries don't manipulate information, they do.
But specific to Covid, there is 100% confidence in China's handling.
I'm not saying Countries don't manipulate information, they do.
But specific to Covid, there is 100% confidence in China's handling.
In the US Covid deaths are about 1/5 of 1% of the population, and a large portion of our citizenry actively flaunts precautions.
Even if China had a significantly greater death rate, it would still be very easy for them to hide since they are already so insular.
That is not accurate, China's density is EXTREME.
That is not accurate, China's density is EXTREME.
Only in the cities.
Outside urban centers it's quiet the opposite.
We went over a month with zero CDC texts about infections reported at work, then 2 in 72 hours and today 14 people called out.
Really super ****ing glad I masked up this week.
i don't want to seem edgy but i honestly couldn't care less, if they choose not to get vaccinated and come up with their BS ideas on why they are correct (which they aren't) let them get covid.I would agree with you if it was just themselves they'd put at risk, but it isn't - antivaxxers are a public health hazard. Their choices reach far beyond just themselves. This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.
At first, being a liberal, I was of the opinion that people shouldn't HAVE to get vaccinated, but that they'd have to lose serious amounts of personal freedoms to limit the risk they post. "Put your money where your mouth is," basically. However, the more I've thought about it, the more I've come to the conclusion that this doesn't work, not really. You're actually curtailing OTHER people's freedoms that way, just for the sake of some self-centred illiterates. Thus the more logical thing, and the plan that leads to more freedom overall (including people who don't actually want to vaccinate) is to make vaccination mandatory. ...
How have posted a large mass of charts and numbers from a vacuum.
They exist without context unless there are "baselines" to evaluate them from. Without noting the cumulative percentages of the entire population's vaccination status, these random numbers plucked out of context are meaningless.
For example, if they came from an overall population that was almost completely vaccinated and boosted, they would be quite reassuring, but from a population with very little vaccination the same charts would be frightening.
vaccine aide funding diverted to buy weapons
Vaccination rate stalls in low income countries, only 20-30% of population received full dose.Alas since the vaccines don't actually kill the virus, new variants can come from fully vaccinated countries too.
This matters, because this is a very large population where the virus will mingle and create potentially deadlier variants.
Slated vaccine aide funding diverted to buy weapons.
Only 1 in 4 patients report feeling fully recovered 1 year after covid_hospitalization. 3 in 4 experience fatigue, muscle pain, physically slowing down, poor sleep, and breathlessness...Source?
That's pretty terrible, basically zombies.
Unvaccinated people increase the risk of Cov19 infection among vaccinated..I get that people are sceptical of science (if anything that's the whole point) but is it really that much harder to believe than the power of aged urine and cattle dewormer? I don't understand this.
I mean,, no poop sherlock... but.. yea, now there's a study.. ./official
Unvaccinated people increase the risk of Cov19 infection among vaccinated..But do they really? Vaccination doesn't kill the virus, it should only reduce the symptoms once you get infected. That's the official statement of the companies making the vaccines.
I mean,, no poop sherlock... but.. yea, now there's a study.. ./official
Will it ever end...Buckle up...
Polio - ~25 yearsPolio didn't end, it was saved from extinction by religionists. In fact, religious people are responsible for a vast amount of proliferation of diseases and medically-related suffering.
Polio only ended after they pretty much marched everyone to a vaccine station, we didn't do that for Covid so this is what we get. Anti-vaxxers learned lessons on how to fight it, we did not. They politicized it and this is what we get as a result.
religious people are responsible for a vast amount of proliferation of diseases and medically-related suffering.
The way that people cling to some of their tenets such as ceremonial rituals or kosher/halal dietary rules while discarding other concepts such as charity and tithing is truly bizarre.
That was only for the pandemic phase of it, almost nothing has been completely eliminated.Polio - ~25 yearsPolio didn't end, it was saved from extinction by religionists. In fact, religious people are responsible for a vast amount of proliferation of diseases and medically-related suffering.
Polio only ended after they pretty much marched everyone to a vaccine station, we didn't do that for Covid so this is what we get. Anti-vaxxers learned lessons on how to fight it, we did not. They politicized it and this is what we get as a result.
Most things don't need to :p .That was only for the pandemic phase of it, almost nothing has been completely eliminated.Polio - ~25 yearsPolio didn't end, it was saved from extinction by religionists. In fact, religious people are responsible for a vast amount of proliferation of diseases and medically-related suffering.
Polio only ended after they pretty much marched everyone to a vaccine station, we didn't do that for Covid so this is what we get. Anti-vaxxers learned lessons on how to fight it, we did not. They politicized it and this is what we get as a result.
OMG... now monkeypox..wat
//save us alien jesus