Author Topic: StarCraft II with GeekHack (Read 165088 times)

DivineWind · « **Reply #500 on:** Sun, 31 July 2011, 17:30:40 »

I wonder if any of the popular professional StarCraft players use a trackball. I am a high gold level Protoss here. Hopefully I will be in Platinum soon.

Chobopants · « **Reply #501 on:** Mon, 01 August 2011, 06:03:14 »

Quote from: DivineWind;390594

I wonder if any of the popular professional StarCraft players use a trackball. I am a high gold level Protoss here. Hopefully I will be in Platinum soon.

I'm not going to say it's impossible, just very unlikely. Just can't see it, though a friend of mine once proved to me that you can play an FPS decently with a trackball. After that I'll believe anything.

HaveANiceDay · « **Reply #502 on:** Mon, 01 August 2011, 10:36:29 »

It would be really, really difficult to use a trackball at a high level. In a FPS, I can see it work as aiming is done in a mostly predictable fashion. You can train yourself to use flicks to turn a certain degree really fast.
The problem with SC2 is, there are lots of unpredictable patterns(oxymoron?) how you use the cursor. There is screen scrolling, box selecting various sizes, minimap usage, single-selecting lots of units in a very short time span, etc. I just can't imagine using banelings or blink micro with a trackball.

ChocolateRain · « **Reply #503 on:** Mon, 01 August 2011, 23:34:38 »

Hey guys im new to the forums but i have lurked here for a while. i took advantage of the "great deals" section and got a G80-8113 with clears when i was in search of a new keyboard. I am a high Platinum Terran i would love to get some practice games in with some of you guys

ChocoRain
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GLHF

Aznguyen316 · « **Reply #504 on:** Tue, 02 August 2011, 11:04:53 »

Any HHKB Pro 2 users that play SC2? I'm not concerned about the F-keys so much, but just curious how the topre handles spamming keys, sd sd sd etc double tapping. General SC2 stuff. Thanks!

Chobopants · « **Reply #505 on:** Tue, 02 August 2011, 13:18:23 »

Quote from: Aznguyen316;391578

Any HHKB Pro 2 users that play SC2? I'm not concerned about the F-keys so much, but just curious how the topre handles spamming keys, sd sd sd etc double tapping. General SC2 stuff. Thanks!

Topre keys are amazing for SC2. I use my Realforce as my main SC2 board.

Also (to everyone in this thread) -

MUCH easier than posting your user info in this thread is go to the "geekhack" channel on battle.net. There's a setting to autojoin channels so you don't have to join it each time you log on. I'm really not interested in adding random people onto my buddy list, which I reserve for friends but I idle in the GH channel and am always down for a match if people are interested.

hcry4 · « **Reply #506 on:** Tue, 02 August 2011, 13:47:22 »

Quote from: Aznguyen316;391578

Any HHKB Pro 2 users that play SC2? I'm not concerned about the F-keys so much, but just curious how the topre handles spamming keys, sd sd sd etc double tapping. General SC2 stuff. Thanks!

I don't really play a whole lot, but I do use my HHKB when I do. No real issues for me. I actually use my m570, too. Mainly 4v4 with friends.

HaveANiceDay · « **Reply #507 on:** Tue, 02 August 2011, 18:45:46 »

Dammit my condition is worse than I thought, lost 10 out of 17 games today.

sinis · « **Reply #508 on:** Sat, 06 August 2011, 20:26:17 »

loved this european battle.net invitational livestream today.

just kidding it was ridiculous.

/ragequit

Ballcuzzi · « **Reply #509 on:** Sat, 06 August 2011, 20:59:57 »

Diamond Terran LF Practice Partners/Friends/ETC.
I will offer free coaching for lower league players too! (Terran only though)
Add Me @ baLLcuZZi.593

speakeasy · « **Reply #510 on:** Tue, 09 August 2011, 08:11:05 »

Played Nexus Word Wars with my friend for the first time last night, lol wow it's pretty fun. I'd imagine it would be more fun playing with people from here

Index · « **Reply #511 on:** Tue, 09 August 2011, 11:56:25 »

Scouting is so hard with Zerg =(

iamtwon · « **Reply #512 on:** Tue, 09 August 2011, 15:23:10 »

I watch about 100% more Starcraft than I play because my computer sucks so bad. I guess I need work on fixing that. Index, watch more nestea.

Index · « **Reply #513 on:** Tue, 09 August 2011, 16:30:55 »

Why specifically Nestea? I mean I know he's the best zerg player, and arguably the best player right now. Other than that why? Does he have amazing scouting?

Hydroid · « **Reply #514 on:** Tue, 09 August 2011, 18:03:45 »

Yes, NesTea has amazing scouting. It's what makes him the best player in the world right now. He plays zerg reactively not aggressively and as such, he needs to know exactly what his opponent is doing so that he knows when it is safe to drone up and when he needs to be preparing for an attack.

flaming_june · « **Reply #515 on:** Sun, 14 August 2011, 20:46:03 »

Well no, neastea is a god because he's unbelievably smart. Scouting is just part of his skillset. Other people who scout just as much are still nowhere near his cerebral play. The other parts that you said is just zerg basics.

Hydroid · « **Reply #516 on:** Mon, 15 August 2011, 02:00:06 »

Quote from: flaming_june;399016

Well no, neastea is a god because he's unbelievably smart. Scouting is just part of his skillset. Other people who scout just as much are still nowhere near his cerebral play. The other parts that you said is just zerg basics.

Yeah, he's smart, he knows how to interpret his scouting which is what a lot of other people lack, but without scouting he wouldn't be able to win so I'd still argue he's one of the best players to check out for seeing how. Because if you can spend some time figuring out what he notices just from seeing certain stuff then you should be able to apply it to some extent in the game.

pitashen · « **Reply #517 on:** Mon, 15 August 2011, 10:29:26 »

Quote from: Hydroid;399125

Yeah, he's smart, he knows how to interpret his scouting which is what a lot of other people lack, but without scouting he wouldn't be able to win so I'd still argue he's one of the best players to check out for seeing how. Because if you can spend some time figuring out what he notices just from seeing certain stuff then you should be able to apply it to some extent in the game.

It is quite basic for pro-gamers to effectively guesstimate what the opponent is doing by seeing only a few clues. The quality of the strategic part of the decision making under immense pressure is what really differentiates between each pro players.

In any case, one should be able to reach diamond league with just proper scouting, money spending and macroing.

ogreofdakka · « **Reply #518 on:** Wed, 17 August 2011, 18:24:11 »

I can't believe I haven't seen this thread earlier. I play SCII on the NA server as DirTyOGRE. I am not a very good 1v1 player, but I love playing team games if anyone would be interested in 2v2s or 3v3s. I play a Macro oriented Terran.

BTW I actually prefer Sen's Zerg play to NesTea for some reason. I think its because its got those weird ass timings.

Softdrink 117 · « **Reply #519 on:** Thu, 18 August 2011, 16:37:31 »

Dittoing above about not seeing this earlier.

I play Terran on NA as Softdrink, with the weird ID code thingy as 505. I'm actually pretty good in terms of mechanics and practical knowledge, but I have almost no real game experience because I've been so busy with school. As in, I haven't played since late season one. At all.

I'm really looking to find people to play custom games with before I head back into the ladder. I *am* in bronze league (or was back when I was ranked), but have been able to keep pace with Korean platinum players before-- the bronze placing was really just due to inexperience, which remains my real problem.

Feign · « **Reply #520 on:** Thu, 18 August 2011, 16:48:49 »

I play on the EU server.

Feign.892

In fact, i joined this site to get some advice on customising key caps for a slightly Starcraft 2 themed keyboard (Korean legends and a purple "make more drones" key).

Susiria · « **Reply #521 on:** Fri, 19 August 2011, 02:34:54 »

Quote from: Softdrink 117;401215

Dittoing above about not seeing this earlier.

I play Terran on NA as Softdrink, with the weird ID code thingy as 505. I'm actually pretty good in terms of mechanics and practical knowledge, but I have almost no real game experience because I've been so busy with school. As in, I haven't played since late season one. At all.

I'm really looking to find people to play custom games with before I head back into the ladder. I *am* in bronze league (or was back when I was ranked), but have been able to keep pace with Korean platinum players before-- the bronze placing was really just due to inexperience, which remains my real problem.

You've played on the Korean server and played their Platinums? Apparently they're equal to NA/EU's Diamond league.

Softdrink 117 · « **Reply #522 on:** Fri, 19 August 2011, 11:48:55 »

Quote from: Susiria;401474

You've played on the Korean server and played their Platinums? Apparently they're equal to NA/EU's Diamond league.

Sorry, I should clarify: I have a couple Korean friends, one of whom is only on the US servers part time and spends the rest elsewhere, presumably on the Korean server. And he is just like @_@

Back when I last played him (months ago), it was in Season one when you could see win/loss ratio. His was something like 200 to 10, and he was flying up through the ranks. I played a long series of custom games with him, at his request, after being paired up on a random 1v1 on Xel'Naga.

So no, I'm not that good. >.<
I have beaten some NA plats, but that was a long time ago. Right now, I totally suck.

My downfall, like I said before, is simple lack of game experience. Having a good grasp of the game's mechanics, balancing macro and micro, scouting-- these are things that I'm relatively good at (some much more than others)-- but without enough knowledge of how people actually play the game they don't make any real difference.

Hydroid · « **Reply #523 on:** Sat, 20 August 2011, 18:00:09 »

There seems to be a sudden increase in masters players creating smurf accounts on the SEA region. I've had the pleasure or misfortune to be pitted against two of these players in their placements only to get well and truly destroyed as expected. I guess there isn't any shame in losing to a masters player while in the gold league, and I did get to chat to them and ended up playing a few custom games with each, but it does give you quite a shock the first time when they just seem to have twice as much as you expect.

guilleguillaume · « **Reply #524 on:** Sun, 21 August 2011, 11:52:57 »

There is the prove that MC does use a Qsenn and not a Realforce:

Pic from the IEM at Cologne

flaming_june · « **Reply #525 on:** Tue, 23 August 2011, 19:54:33 »

Maybe he just didn't want to bring a heavy and expensive keyboard to overseas while he still competes in the GSTL in Korea. He's doing up n down matches this season too right?

HeavyArms · « **Reply #526 on:** Wed, 24 August 2011, 23:15:31 »

HeavyArms 443, nice to meet you all!

http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/2335832/HeavyArms

hashbaz · « **Reply #527 on:** Wed, 24 August 2011, 23:41:16 »

Did anyone notice Genius' keyboard in group H of GSL the other day? He had some kind of plastic overlay or something.

Hydroid · « **Reply #528 on:** Thu, 25 August 2011, 05:24:59 »

Yeah its a soft dust cover, kinda like the cover you get on filcos, leopolds and duckys but flexible enough to use the keyboard with it on. I got one with my Qsenn and it was great. I couldn't stand to game with it on, but I would put it on when I ate at the computer so that the keyboard would stay clean.

flaming_june · « **Reply #529 on:** Thu, 25 August 2011, 07:41:11 »

bongboong had it today as well.

Yup I see MC with qsenn atm vs taeja, whom's using metallic blue filco with red esc.

Susiria · « **Reply #530 on:** Thu, 25 August 2011, 08:16:05 »

Quote from: flaming_june;404177

Maybe he just didn't want to bring a heavy and expensive keyboard to overseas while he still competes in the GSTL in Korea. He's doing up n down matches this season too right?

When you compete in a tournament for money, I'd assume that every player would want their exact gear. MC's made so much money from sc2 anyways that he should buy a Realforce, though.

Tempy · « **Reply #531 on:** Thu, 25 August 2011, 22:27:49 »

Quote

Back when I last played him (months ago), it was in Season one when you could see win/loss ratio. His was something like 200 to 10, and he was flying up through the ranks. I played a long series of custom games with him, at his request, after being paired up on a random 1v1 on Xel'Naga.

if you go 200-10 you do not get promoted, the mmr needs to settle before you can get promoted, there was a time during early season 1 or the beta (i forget) when they just introduced diamond, and i was in platinum with a like 85% win rate, could not get promoted, i literally threw 5 games (join and leave instantly) to drop my mmr to get promoted to where i belonged, i then proceeded to not play.

Softdrink 117 · « **Reply #532 on:** Sun, 28 August 2011, 02:47:10 »

Quote from: Tempy;405285

if you go 200-10 you do not get promoted, the mmr needs to settle before you can get promoted, there was a time during early season 1 or the beta (i forget) when they just introduced diamond, and i was in platinum with a like 85% win rate, could not get promoted, i literally threw 5 games (join and leave instantly) to drop my mmr to get promoted to where i belonged, i then proceeded to not play.

Yup, I was aware of this. I meant he was flying up through his platinum league, as he had been placed initially at the bottom of it and was complaining about how he'd been number one for a few days without losing a match. My apologies for not being as clear as possible. I believe he eventually figured it out, but I haven't played with him in some time. Whenever I'm online he's either away, busy, or not online at all.

Unless I'm mistaken, the game uses mmr as a sort of running average to determine skill based partially on player win/loss ratio and partially on win/loss consistency, with a separate series of indicators for evaluating skill based on the rank or league difference between the players (which is part of the 'favored' screens that display during match loading). But what that ends up meaning is that unless you maintain a relatively consistent average performance by 'normalizing' your win/loss ratio every once in a while, it's impossible for the game to realize you're good enough for the next league. Which is kinda unfortunate and very frustrating, but makes the general matchmaking engine very fair.

It has been a while since I read the article on the Liquid forums though, so I could easily be forgetting something.

dudebro · « **Reply #533 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 19:23:44 »

DongRaeGu was playing with a Razer BlackWidow during last weekends MLG event in Raleigh. He was using the macro keys on the side quite a lot, and without the keycaps!

[video=youtube;0xRDdBL4aWc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xRDdBL4aWc[/video]

nolliepoper · « **Reply #534 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 19:43:26 »

Quote from: dudebro;407108

DongRaeGu was playing with a Razer BlackWidow during last weekends MLG event in Raleigh. He was using the macro keys on the side quite a lot, and without the keycaps!

I love DRG. I am also curious to what macro binds he uses. It's funny that he took off the keycaps, maybe have the feel of a standard keyboard, but he still uses the macro keys.

Plat Protoss here.
Username: nolliepoper
Char Code: 830

kywirelessguy · « **Reply #535 on:** Tue, 30 August 2011, 07:43:47 »

Don't know if you guys saw this storyline from MLG Raleigh

Idra loses to Trimaster and slams his headset on his keyboard:
[video=youtube;4mdmWs1SfuY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mdmWs1SfuY&feature=player_detailpage#t=92s[/video]

Reddit user Thricey finds Idra's F4 key:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/jx35j/so_i_have_idras_f4_key_after_he_slammed_his/

Idra doesn't seem to want it back so Thricey gives it to Trimaster:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/jxiho/update_idras_f4_key_now_in_possession_of_its/

kywirelessguy · « **Reply #536 on:** Tue, 30 August 2011, 08:19:45 »

One more from Idra's perspective...

[video=youtube;DoT393WXrrU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoT393WXrrU&feature=player_detailpage#t=55s[/video]

hashbaz · « **Reply #537 on:** Tue, 30 August 2011, 13:07:10 »

Hah, we were talking about this yesterday at work. Just imagine getting idra's D or T key -- the primal founts of his legions of drones and mutas.

Chobopants · « **Reply #538 on:** Tue, 30 August 2011, 13:58:57 »

Haha Idra is such a baby. Can't wait for more SC1 pros to come over to SC2 and he just fades away, a whiny bratty footnote of the progaming scene, nothing more.

He's not nearly as good as he thinks he is.

hashbaz · « **Reply #539 on:** Tue, 30 August 2011, 15:44:14 »

Ouch. I like idra. Yeah, he's whiny and arrogant and defeatist, and I wonder how much he actually enjoys the game. But I like that he speaks his mind, and that he can usually back up his analysis with real examples. Obviously I don't know the guy, but I feel like if he took three months off or something and then returned fresh, it would ultimately do him a lot of good.

Hydroid · « **Reply #540 on:** Tue, 30 August 2011, 16:49:34 »

Quote from: nolliepoper;407124

I love DRG. I am also curious to what macro binds he uses. It's funny that he took off the keycaps, maybe have the feel of a standard keyboard, but he still uses the macro keys.

Plat Protoss here.
Username: nolliepoper
Char Code: 830

Hitting cherry keys without the keycaps isn't actually that bad. I've got the caps lock off on my keyboard because I use the left side of A as a positional reference when playing SC2 and when I tried to put it back on I kept hitting caps lock instead of A when trying to use the attack move or do anything with A.

@ idra videos: I do think Idra is a little unsporting. I understand it is hard not to get angry, I mean we all do, but when the guy is literally on the other side of the table you stand up and give the guy a handshake. I've only played in a couple of tournaments online, but I've always taken a moment to go beyond gg when I lose. It really helps you to keep your temper under control if you just chat for 30 seconds to a minute after the game and then move on. And I find that when you are able to distil in your mind that your opponent was just another human being who was able to outplay you in some way it gives a good clear perspective on how to improve rather than feeling like you are up against an imbalanced, unstoppable and undefeatable wall.

Zet · « **Reply #541 on:** Sun, 04 September 2011, 21:59:16 »

Too bad I was busy working and didn't had internet connection at home and missed that. Men I would enjoy watching this. I hate IdrA so much for being so bm... someone should really put him in his place xD

speakeasy · « **Reply #542 on:** Sun, 04 September 2011, 22:19:13 »

Anyone going to IPL3?

RColinTaylor · « **Reply #543 on:** Wed, 07 September 2011, 15:16:25 »

Colin.1289

I play quite a bit but I think at this point I am more of a spectator than a player.

Mitchellderp · « **Reply #544 on:** Wed, 07 September 2011, 15:47:36 »

Quote from: hashbaz;407634

Ouch. I like idra. Yeah, he's whiny and arrogant and defeatist, and I wonder how much he actually enjoys the game. But I like that he speaks his mind, and that he can usually back up his analysis with real examples. Obviously I don't know the guy, but I feel like if he took three months off or something and then returned fresh, it would ultimately do him a lot of good.

I was about to say that 3 months off would probably kill his skill levels due to getting out of practise but TLO pretty much did the same and he's nearly as good as he used to be in his prime of SC2.

monked · « **Reply #545 on:** Fri, 09 September 2011, 11:52:53 »

monk.866 (EU) some 1v1-4v4 ~dia

xmrxkrazy · « **Reply #546 on:** Tue, 13 September 2011, 04:27:17 »

When Idra plays the game he thinks that because he practices way more than most foreign(non-Korean) SC2 players he deserves to win. He also probably thinks wars should be fought where people stand face to face on a battlefield in a line and fire, hoping their shots would land more so than their opponents shots.
You don't win solely on solid macro/build. You win because you out-think your opponent. To me he's still one stubborn little kid.

hashbaz · « **Reply #547 on:** Tue, 13 September 2011, 07:57:47 »

I had this conversation with some coworkers a few weeks ago. My conclusion is that Idra feels that, given adequate game knowledge, the player with the better mechanics "deserves" to win. Not just that they usually will win -- they deserve to win. Thus players that win with inferior mechanics have stolen something, or are an indication that something in the game is broken. And of course he knows that he himself has the best mechanics among foreigners (which may be true). This narrow view of the game feeds and justifies his contempt for other players, and causes him to get frustrated at the perceived futility of trying to win in desperate situations.

I really like Idra. I've spent a lot of time listening to him on podcasts and streams. The kid desperately needs some humility and perspective, not just because he'll be happier in general, but because it will help his game. Thus I think he might benefit from leaving Starcraft for a while and coming back to it fresh. Maybe he could travel the world and rediscover his true self in the steamy jungles of Bali, or hone his competitive edge by learning to dominate the world of competitive brisket barbecue. Then he would return triumphantly to MLG, deeply tanned and tattooed, but wiser and more resilient.

[video=youtube;h0qVUn4797g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0qVUn4797g[/video]

xmrxkrazy · « **Reply #548 on:** Tue, 13 September 2011, 13:18:21 »

Quote from: hashbaz;415411

I had this conversation with some coworkers a few weeks ago. My conclusion is that Idra feels that, given adequate game knowledge, the player with the better mechanics "deserves" to win. Not just that they usually will win -- they deserve to win. Thus players that win with inferior mechanics have stolen something, or are an indication that something in the game is broken. And of course he knows that he himself has the best mechanics among foreigners (which may be true). This narrow view of the game feeds and justifies his contempt for other players, and causes him to get frustrated at the perceived futility of trying to win in desperate situations.

Yup. Sums it all up about what I think too. It's surprising he could be that closed-minded though. Very surprising he doesn't know anything about luck or just natural born talent/knack.

speakeasy · « **Reply #549 on:** Tue, 06 December 2011, 17:30:45 »

What the PiaNoppoo looks like after IPL3, IEM and MLG Providence:

Of course, all the beating it's been taking during traveling is now giving me issues with the USB cable

Oh well, guess I have an excuse to buy another mech if I retire this one

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Author Topic: StarCraft II with GeekHack (Read 165088 times)