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Title: [IC] Moment - 60% | GB Open Oct 1 - Oct 16
Post by: Ustinj on Sun, 13 September 2020, 01:24:52
Thanks to shannie, dandruff, telly, r4wromg, Keebs, westfoxtrot / Max for inspiration, hineybush (used H60 here), and ai03 for his documentation.

Moment - 60% Keyboard Interest Check

GB Thread is open: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=118523.0

After over a year in IC, it surprises me that this project still is one of my favorite boards in typing feel and sound. Let's get it moving...



2022 IC Form (please fill out if interested, even if you filled out the old version): https://forms.gle/hhNV2KpkCReaSiA6A

(https://i.imgur.com/YrZoUVO.png) (https://i.imgur.com/lcT5mFA.png) (https://i.imgur.com/qRSDgCX.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/diwfSvA.png)



Introduction & Inspiration

Moment, previously known as Phase, was my first foray into custom keyboard design in September 2020. Though I often find myself scrapping designs and abandoning ideas, it's been pretty noteworthy that Moment has managed to survive this long. Cloudline took precedence over this design last year due to clear demand in the layout and the hovering uncertainty regarding the MOQ of a 60% from a no-name designer. Now that the F13 TKL design has been accounted for, and my self-fulfilled limited run of Moment is nearing completion, it makes sense to redirect my sights on this project (that being said, I do happen to have another 60% in the works / lined up... IYKYK).

In 2020, as I continued to fall into the seemingly-bottomless hole of mechanical keyboards, I seemed to struggle to find something that I loved 100%. The Leaf 60 was one of my favorite designs from an aesthetic standpoint - the multi-axis curved side profile, the smooth and flowing design really was striking and just a joy to touch. However, the typing feel was just not quite up to par, I found myself loving the bounciness of boards like the Polaris and IDB60. So I decided to create something with a side profile I loved, along with the typing feel I loved.

I initially themed this board around the word "Phase" - as keyboards, much like headphones, hifi audio, knives, fountain pens, seemed to just be another phase for me. I'd be obsessive for a year or two or three, and before I know it I'd be ogling over something completely different. It featured a moon phase insignia beneath the USB port. After a while, a naming conflict came up and I decided to transition the project over to a new name - Moment. I found the idea of opportunities, chances, and time to be super relevant to this project and in how things have panned out over the past couple years - how my love for creating new and unique designs really have branched out just from some decisions made in a single Moment.

In summation, here are the goals kept in mind while fleshing out this design:



Details

*Pricing depends on MOQ. With the number of keyboard projects struggling as of late, it's hard to make an accurate statement until I discuss with my vendor and determine a safe MOQ. I am aiming to target a ~$4xx price range.



GB & Vendor Information

Group buy is slated to begin October 1st - October 14th, 2022.




Colors

Colors for this keyboard were chosen to be reminiscent of the sky during the day's quieter hours of transition, tying together the themes of time and being present in every fleeting moment.


Expand for color renders
More
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(https://i.imgur.com/3uU49SC.png) (https://i.imgur.com/u6bphsH.png) (https://i.imgur.com/zvD4DQc.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZKcQYmV.png) (https://i.imgur.com/prUz0TE.png) (https://i.imgur.com/uLbCaUs.png)






Design & Renders


(https://i.imgur.com/lVOT6jU.png) (https://i.imgur.com/RfVnmx8.png) (https://i.imgur.com/4ImnOQq.png)

Identifying tapered side chamfers, visible while in use. Hourglass insignia beneath USB port. Fluid curved side-profile.

(https://i.imgur.com/KueexkO.png) (https://i.imgur.com/pAu7C24.png) (https://i.imgur.com/w6iNZK5.png)

Emphasized seam around the perimeter improves perceived anodization consistency and machining tolerances.

(https://i.imgur.com/dJmsJso.png) (https://i.imgur.com/g2rXGOq.png) (https://i.imgur.com/snfvq7j.png)

Ran out of things to say ... bottom weight has Moment engraving (hand written!)




Half-Gasket Mount

(https://i.imgur.com/FeyBSAI.png)

Moment uses a half-sandwich gasket mount, in which there are poron gasket strips beneath tabs on the northern and southern perimeters of the plate, with nothing but clearance above. In order to prevent the build from falling and hitting the top case, there are two strips on the left / right of the build - which would have quite literally near-zero compression, especially when the board is sitting on your desk and you are typing on it. Downward force will move the plate away from these tabs.

My initial theory was that this would allow for the plate to pivot / flex upwards as downward pressure was applied to the build, but realistically it didn't work that way as the downward compression of the poron takes less force than it does to pivot the plate tabs. That being said, I know some people love to say isolation gasket strip boards are just sandwich mounts (hardly true, unless they're designed with extreme compression...) - here's a contrasting design. All I know is that the typing feel is precisely what I had been looking for a while back, especially when paired with a polypropylene full / half plate.




Project Timeline / Status

Updated February 6th, 2022.




FAQ

FAQs can exist before people ask questions on an IC ... people ask the same questions over and over throughout previous ICs... for example:

Q: When is the group buy?

A: Estimating we may be able to move into group buy late Q1 2022, or early Q2 2022. It's in the information above.

Q: How many units? Can it be unlimited?

A: If you are worried about not getting one, I don't think you need to worry. If you are hoping for it to be extremely limited (for whatever reason this may be), then you may have been happier joining the limited run in silver with a polished weight.

Q: If you've already done a small GB for this and have several prototypes, how come you don't know your pricing?

A: Different MOQ, and also now factoring in vendor splits. Just aiming for a general range of <$4xx if possible.

Q: Do you know that removing side mounting tabs will make the build more flexible?

A: The side tabs on the plate are not mounted and are free to move; they are only there to keep the plate from rattling.

Q: What PCB will this board use?

A: The board is designed for compatibility with commonly available PCBs, including the Hineybush H60 and Wilba.tech 60% PCB line with JST connectors. That being said, depending on vendor discussions, it's possible we may opt for an in-house PCB design to lower costs.

Q: Split space support / ISO?

A: Depends on interest check reception and MOQ. Personally I don't like the look of an ISO-compatible plate built with ANSI, so I don't think I'll have a universal plate as the default. Same goes with split-space, but fill out the IC form if these are must-haves for the buy.

Q: Half plates available?

A: Absolutely, I think they kick butt on this board!

Q: Why no silver?

A: I chose silver on the limited run and want to keep it to that - plus that means we get to have e-white for this buy :)



Media

More coming in this section soon, especially with fulfillment of the limited / small GB happening.

These typing tests with BoW caps are Geekark BoW.



Typing test from Jintae, MX blacks on PP




Links


2022 IC Form: https://forms.gle/hhNV2KpkCReaSiA6A

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jjw_kb

Discord: https://discord.gg/uwBXETHrP9



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Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Ustinj on Sun, 13 September 2020, 01:26:12
Current Project Standing

UPDATE: October 10th, 2020 - Prototype 1 received, onto revision 2!

I had a few changes already lined up, but Prototype 1 has given me the opportunity to make a few more tweaks that I think will improve the board. Prototype 1 was mostly a success. I very much enjoy the shape and feel of the board's edges on my desk, but was not satisfied with the quality of finish from factory 1. Assembly was a smooth process, and typing feels good for aluminum. I don't have the opportunity to use the PC plate as I intended because the factory messed it up so badly it won't fit.

Changes:

- Lowered overall board height by 1mm
- Increased the thickness of the bottom interior of the case by 2.4mm, the interior surface is now almost completely aluminum (versus the previous 50% alu 50% steel). I suspect this will bring changes to sound..
- Upgraded screws from M2 x 0.4mm to M2.5 x 0.45mm for peace of mind - I don't want to push into M3 territory as that will make the bezels wider than I envisioned.
- Increased the mass of the board from ~1198g to ~1400g (2.6lbs to 3.2lbs)
- Sandblasted steel weight instead of polished. The polished weight was nice, for the first 15 minutes..
- Flex / auditory cuts for spacebar uniformity
- Will be giving the following plates a shot - POLYCARBONATE, POLYPROPYLENE, ALUMINUM
- Increased seam chamfer size. I want the emphasized seam to pop even more.
- Cuts made on interior to accommodate for JST connector position of both H60 and WT-60

UPDATE: November 28th, 2020 - Project renamed to 'Moment'

Hello all,

Many may be aware that there is currently another project being run on Geekhack sharing the name 'Phase': https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109807.0

I reached out to LZ to discuss the names - it turns out that LZ had shared this project to his personal blog on August 28th, about a week before I posted my project on Geekhack. Unfortunately, I was not aware of his personal blog and wasn't able to find another board named Phase - so that is why I went through with it. LZ mentioned that his project was already undergoing production so it was too late to make any changes. HOWEVER, he also mentioned that it should be fine if the boards share a name due to the fact that the two boards are very different in layout, design, etc.

I did have a particular attachment to the name 'Phase' for my project, due to the theming. It's very true that often times, my hobbies and obsessions turn out to be temporary (see: headphones, knives, pens, certain games, etc.) - by naming my keyboard 'Phase', it seemed consistent to include keyboards into the broad overarching theme of being 'just a phase'. Also the middle letter of PHASE is an A and it lets me throw in my logo ;) That being said, I have the "O.K." to keep the name Phase. But for reasons, I will be renaming the project:

- Courtesy; LZ first posted for his project before mine, so naturally it would be polite to move.
- Identity; I would like for the project to have its own identity. I want future owners (myself included as a creator) to feel a sense of pride in ownership of something unique and 'itself'.
- The two go hand in hand!

Renaming the project is a very difficult decision for me to make, especially since many hours have been put into it as it is. Unfortunately, the 'moonphase' engravings will no longer be present under the USB port ... this one especially pains me as I received a few DMs about how the moon theme is quite possibly the most attractive point of the board! :(

I understand that some of you may not be happy with the name and branding change for the board.

I'm going to be renaming the project to Moment. I've been planning to make a board with this name for a while - I guess the 'moment' came a bit earlier than expected. The word 'Moment' still fits my initial theme for the board, one that revolves around time and how things change over it. The word has such a suave, liquid feel to me - something that is there one second and then gone the next, something that can shift from 'one moment to another'. It feels smooth, it feels fluid, it feels suiting for the side profile.

Hopefully it sits well  :) have a good weekend!

(https://i.imgur.com/kF3Q1GA.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Vl0jzWq.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/p10PB4j.png)

 Typing tests will come from Prototype 2, I'd like for it to more represent the production run product (in case things sound different).

thank

UPDATE: December 16th, 2020 - Prototype 2

Link to full update: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108593.msg2993464#msg2993464

A few typing tests: https://soundcloud.com/user-453131246/sets/moment-prototype-2/s-JlHqcZmErHT



Flex (PP Plate)

Some thoughts:

TODO:
Next prototype will be more or less the same structurally, but will have the updated engravings and will be a chance to test another production anodization. Might look to tighten up some tolerances / discuss with the manufacturer to make the top and bottom fit near-perfectly. May look back into mirror-polished SS (would cost more), or coated brass weight for e-white (gold + white is a great combination in my eyes). Also want to pick up an aluminum half plate ... keep forgetting that!


TL;DR. Prototype 2 arrived, very happy and very close to what I envisioned the final keyboard to be. Prototype 3 should hopefully be the final revision, then we can proceed to GB.

UPDATE: March 10th, 2021 - Timeline Update

Hello,

Just wanted to post an update for those following this project! Over the past few months I've leaned closer towards the idea of having reputable vendors run this project rather than a self-run groupbuy for the following reasons:

1. More peace of mind for buyers
2. Can handle higher quantities, and get lower prices
3. Saves time

While the ideal scenario would be to run this prior to my other project, finding a vendor willing to run this project for the US was a little bit more difficult than anticipated. The primary issue I find is regarding risk and being able to price the board according to demand, making sure that said amount of boards would even sell. In the end, it seems that the most likely scenario is for Cloudline to run first, build some reputation, then have Moment run as a follow up. This board is still on the timeline though - it is by no means being abandoned or scrapped.

TL;DR.. currently holding for vendors on Moment for higher unit counts, ideally lower prices - downside is we must wait.

Some supporters have pitched the idea of running it in a smaller self-run group buy (basically, the original plan) while waiting for vendors to open up for a public vendor-run group buy. I'm not opposed to this idea, but things to be noted are that prices will without a doubt be more expensive in a small buy (which is kind of a bummer when group buy prices later on will be cheaper). To compensate, it figures that the small buy would have to be 'special' in some way - something I am still brainstorming with.

On another note, still waiting for the (hopefully) final prototype for this board. Factories have recently resumed progress through Lunar New Year which, as expected, increases wait time. Also revisiting the mirror-finish, trying an alternative method to working with engravings on mirror polished steel.

Typing Test - Hyperglide MX Blacks, PC plate


UPDATE: Prototype 3

Third prototype is great. As of now I'm aiming to launch the Cloudline project and then see if vendors would be interested in running Moment. The board sounds and feels fantastic - usually I would not feel confident tooting my own horn, but I think the latest prototype is getting better than the previous. Also pretty set on including this color when it happens; it's a dull and slightly faded shade of lavender that I think looks amazing. Will get an updated typing test out soon, but I'm very happy with it. I think if / when vendors are ready for Moment, this could move to group buy fairly quickly as I've been making changes in the background.

(https://i.imgur.com/mldQwSk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/L7t8tlT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SeuWgVl.jpg)

UPDATE: May 2nd, 2021 - More Waiting ... Unless?

Same as before - happy with the prototypes, ready to go into full scale group buy when my vendors are willing. However, in the mean time, I'd highly recommend joining Discord / following on Instagram for updates. There are possibilities of small Discord sales, small updates / media sharing, etc.

Discord: https://discord.gg/XPEFcn8
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ascend.kb/

This is still slated to proceed for a full group buy when opportunity arises. The reason it's not going now (even if I have the bandwith to do a small self-fulfilled run) is because I'd love to get better pricing (higher order qty) for a later buy.

Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: JumpStream on Sun, 13 September 2020, 01:31:39
Loving the look of it so far

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Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Space_Case88 on Sun, 13 September 2020, 01:59:03
This looks good! I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this one.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: gbenz on Sun, 13 September 2020, 02:10:40
Renders are super clean! I'd love to see a standard layout though!
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: audax989 on Sun, 13 September 2020, 02:32:59
Beautiful board! I’m really interested in the mounting design. I can’t really imagine how it works. Not sure how the 2mm gap is being implemented.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: darthcapn on Sun, 13 September 2020, 02:41:32
Yummy!

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Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: deedz on Sun, 13 September 2020, 03:22:04
Looks awesome to me, good job on the design and I'd back this if it reaches GB stage.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: cutesy on Sun, 13 September 2020, 03:44:43
im in
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Suavity on Sun, 13 September 2020, 04:26:07
Looks like a very promising project! The stainless steel weight is a beauty. Certainly different to the typical brass or aluminum finishes. Curious to know what is the projected price for the board.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: ddnomad on Sun, 13 September 2020, 06:02:50
Dang. That actually looks quite nice.

Already see myself missing the FCFS sale or totally loosing in a raffle.  But yeah, looks nice man!

Not entirely sure your plate mounting idea will work as intended but well, time will tell :)
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: $W4GK!NG on Sun, 13 September 2020, 06:49:15
Side profile and ai03 style weight design is looking cool af, would probably get my hands on this if I am able to :))
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Bl4ck on Sun, 13 September 2020, 07:25:10
Well, I would be into it if it had std ISO and depending on price but, since its your first group buy i understand if there will be no iso for less options and so on.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Clay333 on Sun, 13 September 2020, 09:27:23
I am definitely interested if HHKB layout isn't the only option. This looks very nice and well thought out. I am especially interested in the mounting system and really hope it comes out nice in the prototype. I will be following closely. Good luck.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: KingOfMemes on Sun, 13 September 2020, 09:30:55
Yup, count me in on this one
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: alleneentrekin on Sun, 13 September 2020, 09:37:33
Really interested in this board, while I love the look of the HHKB layout, I think a standard layout would be a good addition. Also, this board seems like it could be in very high demand, so I would consider raffleing some, if not all of the kits.

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Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: mikeduran on Sun, 13 September 2020, 12:01:27
The design and the details are out of this world, really like this! It looks mega expensive, hope that the manufacturer of your choice can do it reliably and cheap. Also I agree with the rest of the users, maybe a standard layout would be nice, but as is it's beautiful anyway. I would love to be one of those 50 group buyers, but something tells me this is going to be mad expensive.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: MadsMe on Sun, 13 September 2020, 13:53:39
This is absolutely gorgeous!
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: huey on Sun, 13 September 2020, 13:57:30
This is a cool project. My only point of concern is putting a USB port hole in the middle of a piece of material that is going to be polished.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: nathanchere on Sun, 13 September 2020, 14:24:21
Really nice design  subscribing
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Blastoise on Sun, 13 September 2020, 14:27:17
Definitely interested. Subscribed and looking forward to how this turns out!
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: frostykoala on Sun, 13 September 2020, 14:40:48
Hmmm 25-50 you say
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: mongoose27 on Sun, 13 September 2020, 16:13:57
This looks outstanding, very interested in a WKL version.  Great work  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Ramen Champ on Sun, 13 September 2020, 16:42:03
very handsome - IC filled out and looking forward to seeing more!
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Ustinj on Sun, 13 September 2020, 16:43:33
Thanks for the kind words everyone. I opened up a Google form for those who may stop by and have input.

https://forms.gle/Shy3QZPji9djoX1u8 (https://forms.gle/Shy3QZPji9djoX1u8)

This is a cool project. My only point of concern is putting a USB port hole in the middle of a piece of material that is going to be polished.

Valid concern, thank you - I spoke to one manufacturer and they got back to me saying that things were fine, but the small engraved lettering on the inner-face of the weight would not be polished. Since they mentioned this and not the port, I think I'll test my luck and see how the proto goes.



Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Tyler on Sun, 13 September 2020, 16:44:05
Wow. Definitely interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: zuggykeys on Sun, 13 September 2020, 17:01:53
I like the gentle curves.  Gotta be careful not to scratch the USB port area, for sure.  Interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: huey on Sun, 13 September 2020, 17:04:00
Quote
Valid concern, thank you - I spoke to one manufacturer and they got back to me saying that things were fine, but the small engraved lettering on the inner-face of the weight would not be polished. Since they mentioned this and not the port, I think I'll test my luck and see how the proto goes.

I'll rephrase since that wasn't what I was getting at.
My concern is: If it were on my desk and in rotation with other boards, I wouldn't want the USB cutout near a highly sensitive finish. We're all bound to get a bit assertive with our USBing. This is just my two cents though; The M-60 has done it and I've never seen any owners complain about it.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Janoma on Sun, 13 September 2020, 19:22:28
+1 for standard layout, the sound signature on this should be interesting with that mounting. Polish looks beautiful.

GLWIC :)
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Rynxe on Sun, 13 September 2020, 20:12:36
Filled out the form. You sir just got a new follower.

Hoping you could increase the number of units for the GB, you'll have a lot of people crying over that number, and I mean a lot, maybe including myself.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: SherlockBunny on Sun, 13 September 2020, 21:07:11
Love the look and the interesting mounting system. Would definitely buy
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: paperassgasket on Sun, 13 September 2020, 21:38:16
I like the logo. It reminds me of the Eclipse 70% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104755.0) in IC

Interesting choice eliminating brass from the plate materials. I would probably go with pc or fr4 myself but have you given any consideration to POM or carbon fiber?
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: MacSurfy on Mon, 14 September 2020, 01:16:38
Interesting. Count me in if WKL!
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Ustinj on Mon, 14 September 2020, 02:11:51
I like the logo. It reminds me of the Eclipse 70% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104755.0) in IC

Interesting choice eliminating brass from the plate materials. I would probably go with pc or fr4 myself but have you given any consideration to POM or carbon fiber?

Thanks for your input. I had considered the idea that people may draw similarities to other boards with moons on them - funny enough, I had not been thinking of the Eclipse keyboard but the Moon TKL that people would become privy to:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90037 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90037)

That being said, I wanted to ensure that I do not intend to 'copy' or 'rip off' any ideas. I want to emphasize that searching Google for "moon vectors", "moon phases", etc will return a the fairly universal "moon phase" diagram that these all feature. On the other hand, I did not want to make the moon the primary theme of this board, but the PHASES. It is just the moon that 1. serves as a pretty nice symbol for phases, and 2. is painted on my wall. I have considered using a silly engraving of an ice cube melting, but felt I wanted to keep things a bit more elegant and relevant to my own history.

I hope this clears things up! Not trying to come off as defensive, just wanted to give a bit more insight into the reasoning behind the board's theme.

Small updates, more details on mounting, and commonly asked questions


I will be testing some cuts in the plate. This is to encourage that the plate tabs will stress at its weak points. We will see how this plays with the original plan to use the bottom case as a 'fulcrum' for the plate to lever on. However, this does detract from my original intent to keep the tabs with a wide area of contact on the bottom case for a more consistent sound. Testing will be the teller here; I will be giving both the solid plate, as well as the cut plate a try to see which one fares better.

(https://i.imgur.com/fiIABt4.png)

Q: Details on PCB?

Currently undecided on the PCB, but it will take any universal 60% layout PCB that is compatible with the C3 Unified daughterboard connection (JST). I will be reaching out to Wilba from wilba.tech and Hineybush for potential small-bulk orders for PCBs, once group buy is complete and numbers are tallied.

Q: Don't you think you should remove the mounting tabs on the side, so that the typing experience is better / sound is better?

I got this a few times... I guess at first glance it is easy to assume that the tabs are going to all be sitting on the bottom case. Beneath the left / right tabs, is nothing but free space!

I would agree, if I were using the tabs on the side to hold the plate up. However, I am actually using the tabs on the side to hold the plate DOWN. The tabs on the side provide zero upwards force against the plate, when the plate is pressed down. The tabs on the side should not affect typing feel - they are simply there to ensure that the plate does not rattle in the case, since there is no downward force on the top / bottom tabs.

I made a diagram to more clearly explain the mounting system, please see original post (or click this spoiler).

(https://i.imgur.com/txIYeAH.png)

Q: More colors, more layout options?

At the quantity I plan to create, I will be limited with the color choices that will be available - likely will be settling with 2 - 3 colors. **With such an even divide among layouts in the interest check form, I figure I will lean towards including all layouts as possibilities to those who are entered to purchase a board.**







Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: sendrim on Mon, 14 September 2020, 02:44:30
If the price is right, I'll definitely join!   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 14 September 2020, 05:15:33
If layout is still open for consideration, split spacebar would elevate this a notch
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: honoka on Mon, 14 September 2020, 05:16:51
You need to put the link to the form in the OP for people who are just as lazy as I am
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Mel on Mon, 14 September 2020, 11:23:07
Definitely an interesting design, assuming I can afford the price  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 14 September 2020, 11:44:31
Looks like a racecar version of Verne. I like it.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: CustomerSupport on Mon, 14 September 2020, 19:53:21
Really enjoy this. The seam really is a nice accent to the board; it reminds me of Zambumon's Verne, which also has some flowy lines in its profile.

The moon phases is a nice touch, and actually is very similar to the Eclipse 70% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104755.0;topicseen) back weight. This isn't a bad thing, just makes me want to secure both :)


Looking forward to see how this progresses.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: taiminhle4920 on Mon, 14 September 2020, 22:35:04
Do you have a targeted price for this one?
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Ustinj on Mon, 14 September 2020, 23:39:02
Added some commonly asked q's on the main post, regarding price, PCB, unit count, mounting, etc.

I appreciate all the feedback and responses! I will do my best to ensure that the end result is something special.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: FredBananaz on Tue, 15 September 2020, 00:02:16
Definetly interested in this one. Keeping a close eye on this thread
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: paperassgasket on Tue, 15 September 2020, 21:24:53
I like the logo. It reminds me of the Eclipse 70% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104755.0) in IC

Interesting choice eliminating brass from the plate materials. I would probably go with pc or fr4 myself but have you given any consideration to POM or carbon fiber?

Thanks for your input. I had considered the idea that people may draw similarities to other boards with moons on them - funny enough, I had not been thinking of the Eclipse keyboard but the Moon TKL that people would become privy to:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90037 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90037)

That being said, I wanted to ensure that I do not intend to 'copy' or 'rip off' any ideas. I want to emphasize that searching Google for "moon vectors", "moon phases", etc will return a the fairly universal "moon phase" diagram that these all feature. On the other hand, I did not want to make the moon the primary theme of this board, but the PHASES. It is just the moon that 1. serves as a pretty nice symbol for phases, and 2. is painted on my wall. I have considered using a silly engraving of an ice cube melting, but felt I wanted to keep things a bit more elegant and relevant to my own history.

I hope this clears things up! Not trying to come off as defensive, just wanted to give a bit more insight into the reasoning behind the board's theme.

oh totally! I didn't mean to insinuate that at all. The Eclipse was just the first thing that came to mind. FWIW this board doesn't remind me of that one in any other way but the moon phases logo. Plus it's not so similar that it appears to be a rip-off in any way. Also, this design looks to be MUCH better executed that the Eclipse. And yeah... nobody owns the moon. That's just silly.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard)
Post by: Ustinj on Wed, 16 September 2020, 16:30:28
oh totally! I didn't mean to insinuate that at all. The Eclipse was just the first thing that came to mine. FWIW this board doesn't remind me of that one in any other way but the moon phases logo. Plus it's not so similar that it appears to be a rip-off in any way. Also, this design looks to be MUCH better executed that the Eclipse. And yeah... nobody owns the moon. That's just silly.

Oh I see, I may have misunderstood - in the end, I'd say to each their own! I don't find much value in comparing the two at all because both boards' designers have different goals and priorities in mind - and from what I've seen, I'd say I was quite intrigued myself by the layout of the eclipse :)

Prototype order placed with manufacturer #1

I have submitted an order for the board from one manufacturer. there are several manu's I'd like to try, but I will roll with this one first for fitment testing and stainless steel testing.

After hearing many stories of nightmares with mirror-polished stainless steel QC, there is a possibility that polished steel units will either be limited, or simply not feasible. that being said, I've done some quick renders using matte / satin stainless steel for the weight and I think it is seriously growing on me. I suspect that a polished finish on steel from the factory will not have the picture-perfect mirror finish I'd hope for. In that case, I will be hand-polishing these weights from the factory if I decide to go that route - this prototype unit will hopefully serve both as a proof of concept, and a polishing experiment.

(https://i.imgur.com/KHP7JzK.png)

The arrival of the prototype will answer 90% of the questions I have at the moment. I will run another IC form to take in more information later.

thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: CustomerSupport on Thu, 17 September 2020, 02:22:29
Oooooh matte looks very nice
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: _PixelNinja on Thu, 17 September 2020, 03:22:07
Even more interested if you decide to offer a matte stainless steel weight.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: Cloods on Sat, 19 September 2020, 02:47:25
finally something more curvy and less angular, looks good
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: Alchemist Keyboards on Sat, 19 September 2020, 05:48:39
I love the side profile on this board. The subtle curves combined with the pronounced seam. Chef's kiss.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: JCraftCables on Sat, 19 September 2020, 08:40:18
I like the curvy yet clean design and the subtle moon phase engraving near the USB C port! Very interesting mounting idea, will be waiting to hear on the results from proto testing.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: Soche on Tue, 22 September 2020, 13:39:12
been a lurker on GH since I joined but just had to say something for this. I always thought that I'd want a full polished SS weight, but after seeing the satin/matte finish that might be the final product then it think that this is a SUPER nice change. If interest is high enough, why not raffle off some fully polished ss versions though, like how the plume65 did?
 
Also, this mounting style is soooooo nice. Love that you wanted to try something different and the gasket placement here just sounds like it'll make sense. Excited to have some sound tests for differences in plate with and without flex cuts!
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 22 September 2020, 15:03:31
Thank you for the support everyone -

Also, this mounting style is soooooo nice. Love that you wanted to try something different and the gasket placement here just sounds like it'll make sense. Excited to have some sound tests for differences in plate with and without flex cuts!

I appreciate it - though it is going to be super experimental, so I wouldn't call it nice yet :P

And yeah, the weight finish is super TBD - I plan to entertain several prototypes with some noteworthy changes, so this prototype I ordered will not be the last one. Doing that, I can also play with different weight finishes and choose the one I like best.

Here are some updated renders with my planned cap set for my own personal board -

Front face
(https://i.imgur.com/YPRTfiD.png)

Side profile w/ caps, lowered height by 1mm
(https://i.imgur.com/29BDIv0.png)

butt
(https://i.imgur.com/E6qMfS8.png)

Side & back
(https://i.imgur.com/LeRX4Fr.png)

Thanks all

Will update when prototype comes with news
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: Soche on Tue, 22 September 2020, 15:12:17
I appreciate it - though it is going to be super experimental, so I wouldn't call it nice yet :P

that's half the fun of it - a lot of what drives me personally in this hobby (and i'm sure others feel the same way) are the new and innovating things, especially with how typing feel is experienced in the end. I don't want another standard 6 poron gasket strips or top mount (even those these boards stand to be amazing), at least right now. With such a large influx of people, this creativity is gonna be fun no matter what.

Experiment away!
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: L8T on Tue, 22 September 2020, 17:12:04
Love it!
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: CustomerSupport on Tue, 22 September 2020, 17:31:11
I appreciate it - though it is going to be super experimental, so I wouldn't call it nice yet :P

that's half the fun of it - a lot of what drives me personally in this hobby (and i'm sure others feel the same way) are the new and innovating things, especially with how typing feel is experienced in the end. I don't want another standard 6 poron gasket strips or top mount (even those these boards stand to be amazing), at least right now. With such a large influx of people, this creativity is gonna be fun no matter what.

Experiment away!


Exactly. Case-in-point there are 2 other 60% keyboards currently in IC (Nue, Sofia) that have top normal gasket and top mounts, with HHKB layouts.

Phase provides a unique mounting experience along with a beautiful form factor to boot.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: Voidec on Tue, 22 September 2020, 18:27:55
I submitted the interest form. I like this board alot. Can't wait for the GB :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: dibstern on Wed, 23 September 2020, 08:38:31
If the back is mirror polished, I’m in! I’m so sad with all of these beautiful keyboards abandoning their beautiful mirror polished aesthetic and settling for what I find to be a cheaper, less inspired or exciting look.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: dandruff on Sun, 27 September 2020, 02:49:49
Looking good :wink: you're going to make me own a 60
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Tue, 06 October 2020, 00:27:09
will def keep my eye on this project. the angle of the chamfers on top are very elegant paired w/ HHKB!   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: zoo on Tue, 06 October 2020, 02:08:27
Thoughtful design, looking forward to it becoming a reality!!
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: gilbert on Tue, 06 October 2020, 08:26:31
I hope the proto turns out nice! I love that side edge
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Prototype #1 Order Placed!
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 06 October 2020, 10:24:36
Prototype 1 has arrived and I'll be doing some testing before drawing a strong conclusion.

I have several changes lined up for Prototype 2 that I am super excited to see put into production.

(https://i.imgur.com/xi9qOcb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3aqiyVK.png)

Conclusion on prototype soon
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | PROTOTYPE #1 RECEIVED
Post by: Rynxe on Wed, 07 October 2020, 02:14:45
 :thumb:

Nice! mind sharing what changes will you be doing for Prototype 2?

Do you have a discord channel we could join for updates?
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | PROTOTYPE #1 RECEIVED
Post by: Ustinj on Wed, 07 October 2020, 17:14:47
:thumb:

Nice! mind sharing what changes will you be doing for Prototype 2?

Do you have a discord channel we could join for updates?

Currently waiting for a PCB to come in before 100% confirming changes for Proto 2!

I'll make a Discord for updates and fast contact: https://discord.gg/CdM2SV

Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord open, Prototype #1
Post by: gbgwang on Thu, 08 October 2020, 02:52:38
So good.

You are very careful about this keyboard.

If possible, I want to participate in joint purchase.

Can you show me more pictures of prototype #1?

I think it would be nice if there were other video clips.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord open, Prototype #1
Post by: FNM on Thu, 08 October 2020, 20:31:25
I was waiting for something like this to show up! Hope this can move forward quickly
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | PROTOTYPE #1 RECEIVED
Post by: Visionaire on Thu, 08 October 2020, 21:13:38
:thumb:

Nice! mind sharing what changes will you be doing for Prototype 2?

Do you have a discord channel we could join for updates?

Currently waiting for a PCB to come in before 100% confirming changes for Proto 2!

I'll make a Discord for updates and fast contact: https://discord.gg/CdM2SV

Discord link doesn't appear to be working. =(
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord open, Prototype #1
Post by: Ustinj on Thu, 08 October 2020, 21:28:08
:thumb:

Nice! mind sharing what changes will you be doing for Prototype 2?

Do you have a discord channel we could join for updates?

Currently waiting for a PCB to come in before 100% confirming changes for Proto 2!

I'll make a Discord for updates and fast contact: https://discord.gg/CdM2SV

Discord link doesn't appear to be working. =(

Oops, sorry - did not realize Discord's default invitation link is set to expire. I made this one permanent: https://discord.gg/XPEFcn8

On that note, a user mentioned that I should include WKL renders on the main post ... done!

(https://i.imgur.com/pSo3rdR.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/NYSfhgN.png)

Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord open, Prototype #1
Post by: Replay on Thu, 08 October 2020, 22:08:53
If I fill out the Ic form, do I order it?
This is my first GB, so please understand.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord open, Prototype #1
Post by: cannon-cat on Fri, 09 October 2020, 00:19:17
No, usually, it does NOT mean you buy the item. "IC" stands for "Interest Check". IC's are for gauging interest on ideas, before selling them. ICs are also for potential customers (you), to give the designer ideas, ways to "fix" or make the board "better." For example, if you really wanted to see a stainless steel weight on a certain board, for whatever reason, you might state this on the form, or on the thread of the item of subject. So when you fill that form out, you 1: give the designers more ideas, what you'd like to see that is "missing," and 2: tell the designer how excited, or interested, you are in the potential product.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord open, Prototype #1
Post by: Ustinj on Sat, 10 October 2020, 15:28:01
UPDATE: October 10th, 2020

I had a few changes already lined up, but Prototype 1 has given me the opportunity to make a few more tweaks that I think will improve the board. Prototype 1 was mostly a success. I very much enjoy the shape and feel of the board's edges on my desk, but was not satisfied with the quality of finish from factory 1. Assembly was a smooth process, and typing feels good for aluminum. I don't have the opportunity to use the PC plate as I intended because the factory messed it up so badly it won't fit.

Changes:

- Lowered overall board height by 1mm
- Increased the thickness of the bottom interior of the case by 2.4mm, the interior surface is now almost completely aluminum (versus the previous 50% alu 50% steel). I suspect this will bring changes to sound..
- Upgraded screws from M2 x 0.4mm to M2.5 x 0.45mm for peace of mind - I don't want to push into M3 territory as that will make the bezels wider than I envisioned.
- Increased the mass of the board from ~1198g to ~1400g (2.6lbs to 3.2lbs)
- Sandblasted steel weight instead of polished. The polished weight was nice, for the first 15 minutes..
- Flex / auditory cuts for spacebar uniformity
- Will be giving the following plates a shot - POLYCARBONATE, POLYPROPYLENE, ALUMINUM
- Increased seam chamfer size. I want the emphasized seam to pop even more.
- Cuts made on interior to accommodate for JST connector position of both H60 and WT-60

 Typing tests will come from Prototype 2, I'd like for it to more represent the production run product (in case things sound different).

thank
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: bunanapeel on Tue, 13 October 2020, 00:43:59
First 60% to catch my eye in a long time.  Definitely gonna be keeping my eye on this one, really love the clean and professional look.
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: dibstern on Tue, 13 October 2020, 07:13:49
Wow, so damn pretty!

Maybe I missed this, there was a lot of text, but will there be a brass plate option?
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: Ustinj on Sun, 18 October 2020, 00:33:01
I have not planned to include brass plates by default due to their stiffness, but may consider adding it as an add-on. I will do some testing with a brass plate first and determine whether or not it's worth submitting a bulk order for.  :thumb:

if not, plate file would be dropped after so you can go have a plate made out of brass, pom, concrete, w/e
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: $W4GK!NG on Sun, 18 October 2020, 06:56:05
I have not planned to include brass plates by default due to their stiffness, but may consider adding it as an add-on. I will do some testing with a brass plate first and determine whether or not it's worth submitting a bulk order for.  :thumb:

if not, plate file would be dropped after so you can go have a plate made out of brass, pom, concrete, w/e
Concrete plate PagChomp


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Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: jubei on Mon, 19 October 2020, 08:08:31
👀👀👀
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 19 October 2020, 13:02:13
Tree leaf likes it
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: LubedHealios on Tue, 17 November 2020, 16:50:19
This boards looks amazing and the TKL design you did also looks amazing i want both now  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: Chippy on Sat, 21 November 2020, 14:28:37
excited to see where this goes, can't wait for proto 2 pics
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: Digmo on Sun, 22 November 2020, 15:18:33
I like this!
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: d00deitsnik on Wed, 25 November 2020, 23:06:31
I have not planned to include brass plates by default due to their stiffness, but may consider adding it as an add-on. I will do some testing with a brass plate first and determine whether or not it's worth submitting a bulk order for.  :thumb:

if not, plate file would be dropped after so you can go have a plate made out of brass, pom, concrete, w/e
Concrete plate PagChomp


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I'm 100% down to go in on a concrete plate now. o.o
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: CustomerSupport on Sat, 28 November 2020, 09:03:31
I have not planned to include brass plates by default due to their stiffness, but may consider adding it as an add-on. I will do some testing with a brass plate first and determine whether or not it's worth submitting a bulk order for.  :thumb:

if not, plate file would be dropped after so you can go have a plate made out of brass, pom, concrete, w/e
Concrete plate PagChomp


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm 100% down to go in on a concrete plate now. o.o

I dunno man, that sounds a little stiff
Title: Re: [IC] Phase (60% Keyboard) | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: dibstern on Sat, 28 November 2020, 16:59:53
The new mirror polish looks amazing, don’t sweat the name change, keep up the awesome work!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: Ustinj on Sat, 28 November 2020, 17:40:25
The new mirror polish looks amazing, don’t sweat the name change, keep up the awesome work!

thanks! Weight finish is still in prototyping.. Proto 2 should be here soon!

for an update here:

Hello all,

Many may be aware that there is currently another project being run on Geekhack sharing the name 'Phase': https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109807.0

I reached out to LZ to discuss the names - it turns out that LZ had shared this project to his personal blog on August 28th, about a week before I posted my project on Geekhack. Unfortunately, I was not aware of his personal blog and wasn't able to find another board named Phase - so that is why I went through with it. LZ mentioned that his project was already undergoing production so it was too late to make any changes. HOWEVER, he also mentioned that it should be fine if the boards share a name due to the fact that the two boards are very different in layout, design, etc.

I did have a particular attachment to the name 'Phase' for my project, due to the theming. It's very true that often times, my hobbies and obsessions turn out to be temporary (see: headphones, knives, pens, certain games, etc.) - by naming my keyboard 'Phase', it seemed consistent to include keyboards into the broad overarching theme of being 'just a phase'. Also the middle letter of PHASE is an A and it lets me throw in my logo ;) That being said, I have the "O.K." to keep the name Phase. But for reasons, I will be renaming the project:

- Courtesy; LZ first posted for his project before mine, so naturally it would be polite to move.
- Identity; I would like for the project to have its own identity. I want future owners (myself included as a creator) to feel a sense of pride in ownership of something unique and 'itself'.
- The two go hand in hand!

Renaming the project is a very difficult decision for me to make, especially since many hours have been put into it as it is. Unfortunately, the 'moonphase' engravings will no longer be present under the USB port ... this one especially pains me as I received a few DMs about how the moon theme is quite possibly the most attractive point of the board! :(

I understand that some of you may not be happy with the name and branding change for the board.

I'm going to be renaming the project to Moment. I've been planning to make a board with this name for a while - I guess the 'moment' came a bit earlier than expected. The word 'Moment' still fits my initial theme for the board, one that revolves around time and how things change over it. The word has such a suave, liquid feel to me - something that is there one second and then gone the next, something that can shift from 'one moment to another'. It feels smooth, it feels fluid, it feels suiting for the side profile.

Hopefully it sits well  :) have a good weekend!

(https://i.imgur.com/kF3Q1GA.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Vl0jzWq.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/p10PB4j.png)
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: jm8080 on Sat, 28 November 2020, 19:34:35
eh might as well change the name to "basic" because that new design is basic af, honestly I think you could think of other names where the lunar phases logo will still work instead of just giving up and straight up abandoning it. Lot's of people got attracted to this board initially because of that design.
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: GMK83 on Sat, 28 November 2020, 20:06:09
eh might as well change the name to "basic" because that new design is basic af, honestly I think you could think of other names where the lunar phases logo will still work instead of just giving up and straight up abandoning it. Lot's of people got attracted to this board initially because of that design.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.


Continues to look fantastic Justin.  Can’t please everyone!
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: Ustinj on Sat, 28 November 2020, 20:06:48
eh might as well change the name to "basic" because that new design is basic af, honestly I think you could think of other names where the lunar phases logo will still work instead of just giving up and straight up abandoning it. Lot's of people got attracted to this board initially because of that design.

that's fine - the central focus of the board was never meant to be the moon, the lunar engravings just were a symbol that came from the name. I'd be hard-pressed to abandon my own personal meaning of the board just to to uphold the moon theme!

that being said, if people aren't attracted to the board anymore due to the theme change, that is that - I design for myself, and the board's meaning to me. people are free to join if they are interested. thanks for the feedback!

 ;)
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: Kinesiologist on Sat, 28 November 2020, 21:06:13
Hey, just read your update regarding the project name change. The design still looks great and the text engraving on the weight is very classy. Looking forward to hearing more. :D
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: SmoothFaces on Sun, 29 November 2020, 05:16:10
Super clean, amazing job
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: zekth on Sun, 29 November 2020, 05:24:41
New weight looks great! following this IC even more
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: RogueArchitect on Mon, 30 November 2020, 18:02:29
Would really love to see this in ANSI.  Definitely would cop.
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: Adelscott on Tue, 01 December 2020, 00:57:44
Would really love to see this in ANSI.  Definitely would cop.
You mean WK maybe ? Because it seems very much ANSI to me already.
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: kk73715 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:53:45
wait you're running two ICs at the same time? somewhat discomforting... whats the rush? you could always run one after the other. maybe you'll get some other inspiration along the way too
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 01 December 2020, 02:13:25
No real update other than that Prototype 2 is finished (just waiting to be shipped). However, I figure I should address this 'concern':

wait you're running two ICs at the same time? somewhat discomforting... whats the rush? you could always run one after the other. maybe you'll get some other inspiration along the way too

I don't see the issue, and this is after a bit of consideration (knowing that there is a certain, somewhat unwarranted, stigma against having more than one IC up at a time). I'm not running two GBs at the same time, and I'm definitely not going to sit and stare at the same project every moment I decide to work on a keyboard. There is no rush - one project would be 'run' after the first is fulfilled / complete. It's just an IC, there's nothing running other than a thread to take in feedback / publicity & gauge demand while I wait for things to move.

Plus, after looking at this side profile for so many hours and getting sick of it, it's helpful to work on something else that has a different design language. Then, after getting tired of looking at that ... I switch back and the excitement for the first design is restored lol

On the last bit, regarding getting inspiration along the way.... since I've just dipped my toes into case design, I have to say, I am way too excited to create more and have so many ideas and inspirations already in the queue that I'm holding back from putting onto paper ^-^
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: dandruff on Tue, 01 December 2020, 02:14:46
wait you're running two ICs at the same time? somewhat discomforting... whats the rush? you could always run one after the other. maybe you'll get some other inspiration along the way too

Damn...! He was the only one that had your back in your IC and you do him like this... if the guy wants to run two ICs, let him! As long as he ain't cutting corners, right?
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: kk73715 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 02:29:44
No real update other than that Prototype 2 is finished (just waiting to be shipped). However, I figure I should address this 'concern':

wait you're running two ICs at the same time? somewhat discomforting... whats the rush? you could always run one after the other. maybe you'll get some other inspiration along the way too

I don't see the issue, and this is after a bit of consideration (knowing that there is a certain, somewhat unwarranted, stigma against having more than one IC up at a time). I'm not running two GBs at the same time, and I'm definitely not going to sit and stare at the same project every moment I decide to work on a keyboard. There is no rush - one project would be 'run' after the first is fulfilled / complete. It's just an IC, there's nothing running other than a thread to take in feedback / publicity & gauge demand while I wait for things to move.

Plus, after looking at this side profile for so many hours and getting sick of it, it's helpful to work on something else that has a different design language. Then, after getting tired of looking at that ... I switch back and the excitement for the first design is restored lol

On the last bit, regarding getting inspiration along the way.... since I've just dipped my toes into case design, I have to say, I am way too excited to create more and have so many ideas and inspirations already in the queue that I'm holding back from putting onto paper ^-^

well said. as long as two GBs aren't running at the same time, I don't think there is too much to worry about. definitely scared me a little when I realised. I still think it is ambitious but you know your limits.
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: kk73715 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 02:31:13
wait you're running two ICs at the same time? somewhat discomforting... whats the rush? you could always run one after the other. maybe you'll get some other inspiration along the way too

Damn...! He was the only one that had your back in your IC and you do him like this... if the guy wants to run two ICs, let him! As long as he ain't cutting corners, right?

I agree, but I do think it is important others are aware of this and to see what response comes out of it. there was some clarification, so all good!
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: Ustinj on Thu, 17 December 2020, 01:40:28
Update: December 16, 2020
Prototype 2 is here. Keep in mind that the order for this prototype was placed before the name change, so engravings may be a bit out-of-date..

(https://i.imgur.com/oMiX6xx.jpg)

I described the changes made to this prototype in an earlier post. Off the top of my head, here were the major changes:


A few typing tests: https://soundcloud.com/user-453131246/sets/moment-prototype-2/s-JlHqcZmErHT



Flex (PP Plate)

Some thoughts:


TODO:


Next prototype will be more or less the same structurally, but will have the updated engravings and will be a chance to test another production anodization. Might look to tighten up some tolerances / discuss with the manufacturer to make the top and bottom fit near-perfectly. May look back into mirror-polished SS (would cost more), or coated brass weight for e-white (gold + white is a great combination in my eyes). Also want to pick up an aluminum half plate ... keep forgetting that!

Will add a few more photos wheN i have the chance to take them with proper lighting...

(https://i.imgur.com/gDqK7QZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JCsaIu7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TN1Iuql.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ffy6IyX.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: DJ Clicks on Thu, 17 December 2020, 06:56:34
Possibility of pom plate?
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Beenoman on Thu, 17 December 2020, 10:13:26
any estimates for the price or when it drops? Also, do you have a discord? Really don't want to miss this. Do you have already know what the supported layouts will be? If not, please consider adding a split 7u space for the WKL option, it'd make it a must buy for me.
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Discord, Prototyping
Post by: mikeduran on Thu, 17 December 2020, 11:52:49
A few typing tests: https://soundcloud.com/user-453131246/sets/moment-prototype-2/s-JlHqcZmErHT

  • Aluminum plate, RT Blacks (205g0)
  • PC Plate, RT Blacks (205g0)
  • PC Plate, Gateron Inks (205g0)
  • PP Plate, CK Lavenders (JWK) (205g0)


It's remarkable the ammount of effort you're putting into this, the flex on the plastic plates is kinda worrying, it almost looks that is suspended with springs hahahaha

It's me or the PP plate sounds SUPER DEEP? Or maybe is because of the switches?


The new mirror polish looks amazing, don’t sweat the name change, keep up the awesome work!
I understand that some of you may not be happy with the name and branding change for the board.

It's your design, you call the shots! Have you thought about using the old font on the weight with the new naming?
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Ustinj on Thu, 17 December 2020, 12:58:09

It's remarkable the ammount of effort you're putting into this, the flex on the plastic plates is kinda worrying, it almost looks that is suspended with springs hahahaha

It's me or the PP plate sounds SUPER DEEP? Or maybe is because of the switches?


Thank you. These flex tests are pretty exaggerated since the amount of force being put on the keys is far beyond what would be in a normal typing experience - just something I notice that people like to show for fun..

Yes I've considered using a more tame font for the Moment engravings. These are mostly up in the air for now, not in a particular rush to push out a design for it.


any estimates for the price or when it drops? Also, do you have a discord? Really don't want to miss this. Do you have already know what the supported layouts will be? If not, please consider adding a split 7u space for the WKL option, it'd make it a must buy for me.

From the quotes I've received from the manufacturer, the low 500s seem to be a possible range. They did say that they were surprised by the quote for the prototype, as it was unusually high due to the curved machining and stainless steel weight. I've done some logistics but would need to request an updated quote when GB approaches - my spreadsheet is probably leaning towards that price range as well, to limit my maximum upfront investment to a few thousand at most. And yes I do have a small server that I post updates to, I think the link should be in the main post.

Possibility of pom plate?

Possibility is there..!

Added one more sound test to the album with my person favorite 'clacky' switches: Cream stems in Gateron Milky (Black bottom) housings, on Polypropylene plate: https://soundcloud.com/user-453131246/moment-polypropylene-plate-milky-creams/s-jCVsH1um1uW

thanks
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: dRnRcRr on Tue, 22 December 2020, 00:49:30
This thing is super clean
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: RogueArchitect on Sun, 03 January 2021, 03:01:33
I think if I get a WK version of this board with a mirror polished weight it will be my end game.  I am all in!
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: nick779 on Sun, 03 January 2021, 09:35:16
Man that's a beautiful board. $500s is a bit steep, but considering the design, I guess that is to be expected.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Project Timeline Update
Post by: Ustinj on Wed, 10 March 2021, 16:25:03
Hello,

Just wanted to post an update for those following this project! Over the past few months I've leaned closer towards the idea of having reputable vendors run this project rather than a self-run groupbuy for the following reasons:

1. More peace of mind for buyers
2. Can handle higher quantities, and get lower prices
3. Saves time

While the ideal scenario would be to run this prior to my other project, finding a vendor willing to run this project for the US was a little bit more difficult than anticipated. The primary issue I find is regarding risk and being able to price the board according to demand, making sure that said amount of boards would even sell. In the end, it seems that the most likely scenario is for Cloudline to run first, build some reputation, then have Moment run as a follow up. This board is still on the timeline though - it is by no means being abandoned or scrapped.

TL;DR.. currently holding for vendors on Moment for higher unit counts, ideally lower prices - downside is we must wait.

Some supporters have pitched the idea of running it in a smaller self-run group buy (basically, the original plan) while waiting for vendors to open up for a public vendor-run group buy. I'm not opposed to this idea, but things to be noted are that prices will without a doubt be more expensive in a small buy (which is kind of a bummer when group buy prices later on will be cheaper). To compensate, it figures that the small buy would have to be 'special' in some way - something I am still brainstorming with.


In the meantime, here are some miscellaneous photos of the current prototype:

(https://i.imgur.com/JLLZK0J.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/lsdSg6Y.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RNe2PV5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/umIN9Zp.jpg)



Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: bert039 on Wed, 10 March 2021, 17:39:05
Love this board/idea on so many levels! Amazing job so far and I hope I get a chance to buy this.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 10 March 2021, 23:41:14
I think it's a smart approach by running this through a vendor and aiming for higher numbers. It fits the vibe for sure.

But... does that mean that Cloudline is gonna get fast tracked? Because, OOF MY WALLET.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Ustinj on Thu, 11 March 2021, 01:03:29
Yes, Cloudline is making quicker progress down the stages towards GB. With raw materials prices continuing to rise, best is to not waste time and run what is possible at any given time. Thanks for your support!

If anyone may be interested in small runs, I'll likely be pushing info on that in Discord (invite link in OP) for ease of management and convenience (also, because it is a small group buy) - large group buys with vendors will be shared here.

And this is a REMINDER that a larger run with lower pricing is still what I plan to achieve for this project - I just need to take what I can at the 'moment' and hopefully get this running with a solid vendor list later. I have already pitched it to some of my vendors and they mention that if the first GB goes well, they would likely be very happy to work again in the future!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Visionaire on Thu, 11 March 2021, 12:33:46
Title: Re: [IC] moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: YoungTerror on Thu, 11 March 2021, 19:46:11
Quote from: Ustinj

Possibility is there..!

Added one more sound test to the album with my person favorite 'clacky' switches: Cream stems in Gateron Milky (Black bottom) housings, on Polypropylene plate: https://soundcloud.com/user-453131246/moment-polypropylene-plate-milky-creams/s-jCVsH1um1uW

thanks

God that sounds soooo good. I'm looking forward to this.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: chung on Fri, 12 March 2021, 01:10:12
Very nice, I am in
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Forkman on Fri, 12 March 2021, 07:15:31
I'm definitely interested in the WKL version, will be keeping an eye on this one :D Great job!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Ustinj on Sat, 27 March 2021, 01:05:23

Might as well share this here... showing off a bit of action on how the curves interact with light and movement, as well as a small typing test starting at 1:00.. Rebuilt this tonight with a full PC Plate, HYPERGLIDE Switches (from CK). The switches are quite scratchy, but I think you can still hear the board through it. Still waiting on prototype 2.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: d00deitsnik on Sat, 27 March 2021, 01:45:47
The side profile is glorious. I still can't get over it. <3
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Ustinj on Sun, 09 May 2021, 03:04:50
Second prototype is great. As of now I'm aiming to launch the Cloudline project and then see if vendors would be interested in running Moment. The board sounds and feels fantastic - usually I would not feel confident tooting my own horn, but I think the latest prototype is something very special. Also pretty set on including this color when it happens; it's a dull and slightly faded shade of lavender that I think looks amazing. Will get an updated typing test out soon, but I'm very happy with it. I think if & when vendors are ready for the Moment project it could move pretty quickly towards opening, as I've pretty thoroughly tested and iterated this design over the past half year.


(https://i.imgur.com/mldQwSk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/L7t8tlT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SeuWgVl.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Ranger_Trivette on Sun, 09 May 2021, 05:35:31
i can't understand how using a vendor may decrease the price.
you can have higher quantities, and then a lower prices from the supplier.
but the seller will add his gain.

how many of them you think you will sell alone?
and how many using re-seller?

moving from 10-30 up to 100-150 will decrease the price a lot.
can't say the same moving from 100-200 to 1000.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Rafa_n on Sun, 09 May 2021, 06:40:46
Love the new logo on the back, and that color looks so good.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Ustinj on Sun, 09 May 2021, 14:40:58
i can't understand how using a vendor may decrease the price.
you can have higher quantities, and then a lower prices from the supplier.
but the seller will add his gain.

how many of them you think you will sell alone?
and how many using re-seller?

moving from 10-30 up to 100-150 will decrease the price a lot.
can't say the same moving from 100-200 to 1000.

Double digit units if I were to run it myself (for safety reasons), and if working with a vendor we can presume the vendor margin would just come out of what would otherwise have gone to me, since I'd do much less logistical work!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Ranger_Trivette on Mon, 10 May 2021, 01:30:27
i can't understand how using a vendor may decrease the price.
you can have higher quantities, and then a lower prices from the supplier.
but the seller will add his gain.

how many of them you think you will sell alone?
and how many using re-seller?

moving from 10-30 up to 100-150 will decrease the price a lot.
can't say the same moving from 100-200 to 1000.

Double digit units if I were to run it myself (for safety reasons), and if working with a vendor we can presume the vendor margin would just come out of have gone to me, since I'd do much less logistical work!

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 19 June 2021, 04:25:35
Just came across this. The side profile looks gorgeous. Definitely interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 06 July 2021, 14:04:55
Big thanks to Jintae / Josef for sharing a typing test of Moment. His quality is exceptional.

Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: IMZO on Tue, 06 July 2021, 18:42:27
This looks great damn!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: metalkeyboards on Wed, 07 July 2021, 14:23:12
Shiny bottoms!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Scriba on Sat, 10 July 2021, 17:13:02
Sick
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Scriba on Wed, 14 July 2021, 01:35:26
the design and finishing is world class. now i am even more curious to see what the third project (on the far right of your banner) is.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: conternecticus on Wed, 19 January 2022, 22:56:02
Any updates? As I heard the board had a private run on Discord. Will there be a public GB?
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Shinigamii on Wed, 19 January 2022, 23:18:24
Any updates? As I heard the board had a private run on Discord. Will there be a public GB?

As per his last discord update on Jan 8 of this year, he said "...if there is still sufficient demand [after the limited run has finished], Moment is planned for a vendor GB in Q1 2022."
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Prototype 2, Typing Tests, Flex Test
Post by: Ustinj on Thu, 20 January 2022, 00:25:26
That's correct! I have been in the chats with vendors on Moment and things are looking promising for Q1 2022.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: Ustinj on Sun, 06 February 2022, 20:50:24
Feb 2022 Update

Hello everyone

Did a bit of cleaning up on the IC and reformatting to keep things up to date. After a year, IMO, it seems that this board has only gotten better after each iteration!

The limited run that was hosted on Discord is nearing fulfillment. Now seems like a pretty good time to be considering what happens next, if the demand is still there! Made some decisions on GB colors, etc. If things go smoothly, I think we may be able to bring this project to group buy with vendors in late Q1 2022 / early Q2 2022!

Please, please fill out the VERY quick IC form for the project if you're still interested (even if you've filled out the original IC). With how many keyboard projects have been getting by lately and the overall market being a bit stagnant, I think it's necessary to re-gauge the amount of interest so I can make some important decisions regarding MOQ and pricing.


New IC form: https://forms.gle/hhNV2KpkCReaSiA6A

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jjw_kb

Discord: https://discord.gg/uwBXETHrP9



(https://i.imgur.com/qRSDgCX.png)

Thanks!

Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: Sissy on Sun, 06 February 2022, 20:57:15
Still interested for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: thebreadsaver on Sun, 06 February 2022, 22:24:15
so glad to see the IC updated, still vv interested :))
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: ankit on Sun, 06 February 2022, 23:17:59
Very in, gorgeous board.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: marici22 on Mon, 07 February 2022, 00:08:29
That's pretty clean!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: sagarsiddhpura on Mon, 07 February 2022, 00:35:55
Can you please add an exploded view? It is difficult to gauge weight thickness and volume from those pictures. Keyboard IC should always have an exploded view
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: nullinasou on Mon, 07 February 2022, 01:04:47
looks nice and very interested :)
I am not trying to doubt your ability to organize multiple GBs, but I am on the fence on run this GB before the fulfillment of cloudline.
I understand the decision to start GB asap before materials get (even more) expensive, Im just a not fan of running more than one keyboard GB at once.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: kidpid on Mon, 07 February 2022, 10:25:16
looks nice and very interested :)
I am not trying to doubt your ability to organize multiple GBs, but I am on the fence on run this GB before the fulfillment of cloudline.
I understand the decision to start GB asap before materials get (even more) expensive, Im just a not fan of running more than one keyboard GB at once.

Cloudline is in CannonKey's hands now. Justin isn't running the fulfillment of that GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: Ustinj on Mon, 07 February 2022, 12:19:21
looks nice and very interested :)
I am not trying to doubt your ability to organize multiple GBs, but I am on the fence on run this GB before the fulfillment of cloudline.
I understand the decision to start GB asap before materials get (even more) expensive, Im just a not fan of running more than one keyboard GB at once.

I totally get that, but as kidpid mentioned, I'm never going to self-fulfill more than one group buy at a time - I am aiming to have reputable and reliable vendors on board for Moment when the GB comes and have already been in discussions with some interested vendors.

I am self-fulfilling a smaller run of Moment right now, but this full GB of course won't proceed until my own run is completely taken care of. I'm definitely wary of the trust factor; FWIW during my limited run for Moment anything else I do is completely fronted by me and in-stock.

If the concern is regarding the quality of the board itself, there should be ~50+ boards out there in people's hands before the GB even begins.

Can you please add an exploded view? It is difficult to gauge weight thickness and volume from those pictures. Keyboard IC should always have an exploded view

Very good call, I totally missed the inclusion of internals, I included an exploded view:

(https://i.imgur.com/lcT5mFA.png)


Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: nullinasou on Mon, 07 February 2022, 13:10:40
looks nice and very interested :)
I am not trying to doubt your ability to organize multiple GBs, but I am on the fence on run this GB before the fulfillment of cloudline.
I understand the decision to start GB asap before materials get (even more) expensive, Im just a not fan of running more than one keyboard GB at once.

Cloudline is in CannonKey's hands now. Justin isn't running the fulfillment of that GB.

mb I took a fat L on cloudline fcfs so didnt really keep the track of it
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Tue, 08 February 2022, 17:58:06
protos look super litty
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: macclack on Wed, 09 February 2022, 10:20:31
This is shaping up to be a must buy. Sad I missed out on the Cloudline and will def try to get my hands on one of these.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB Soon
Post by: Ustinj on Wed, 09 February 2022, 13:00:43
Hello folks -

I'm excited to have added a few vendors who are on board for the project, and it seems from our discussions we are on track for a May 2022 group buy.

Check the main thread for the current confirmed vendor list!


thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB in MAY 2022.
Post by: nug on Wed, 09 February 2022, 14:47:14
Any chance of DailyClack being a vendor/proxy for Oceania?
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | 2022 IC Revamp, Full GB in MAY 2022.
Post by: ABlazinBlueToe on Wed, 09 February 2022, 15:02:11
That is a sexy board
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: dRnRcRr on Thu, 10 February 2022, 00:45:20
Good to see this going to GB. Great job
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: RoyalOak88 on Thu, 10 February 2022, 08:40:44
Sexy sexy board. Hope we can have an EU vendor
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: Neely_12 on Thu, 10 February 2022, 08:57:14
Sexy sexy board. Hope we can have an EU vendor

I would guess there will be vendors for all of the major regions.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: deedz on Fri, 11 February 2022, 03:58:21
didn't see an option to express interest for Icy Blue in the google form, but would love to see the color make it to the GB :) been waiting for a long time for this board!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: Draxion on Fri, 11 February 2022, 20:52:18
May perfect birthday gift for myself
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 22 February 2022, 13:11:36
Half gasket demo:

Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: conternecticus on Sun, 27 February 2022, 01:44:03
Sexy sexy board. Hope we can have an EU vendor

I would guess there will be vendors for all of the major regions.

This would be great!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: nathanchere on Tue, 01 March 2022, 03:24:53
Quote
Q: Split space support / ISO?

How did this plan out? Is there going to be split spacebar support?
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: Arithmetics on Tue, 01 March 2022, 12:50:30
Quote
Q: Split space support / ISO?

How did this plan out? Is there going to be split spacebar support?

+1 for split support :)

even if plate doesnt
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 01 March 2022, 14:17:35
Regarding split space and ISO support, I will likely aim to include these features on the PCB, without including native compat. for these in the included plates. However, if this is the case I will also release plate files after fulfillment.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: actress on Wed, 02 March 2022, 15:27:40
exciting! please consider eu vendor.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: mr_foggy on Fri, 04 March 2022, 06:19:49
NA only? please consider EU vendors.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: Sissy on Fri, 04 March 2022, 07:02:16
Hope to see an AU vendor.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: Ustinj on Fri, 04 March 2022, 14:21:39
Hi folks

I expect for there to be vendors for most major regions. I'll be adding regional vendors to the main post when I've confirmed with them.

Since I'm bumping anyway, here's a build stream of an earlier run of Moment! Big thanks to lulzthax for sharing the VOD. However, this uses an alternate PCB (Moment is compatible with many universal 60% JST PCBs) as well as features some finishes that won't be offered in the GB.




Thanks.

Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: sirieous on Fri, 04 March 2022, 15:36:25
Hi folks

I expect for there to be vendors for most major regions. I'll be adding regional vendors to the main post when I've confirmed with them.

Since I'm bumping anyway, here's a build stream of an earlier run of Moment! Big thanks to lulzthax for sharing the VOD. However, this uses an alternate PCB (Moment is compatible with many universal 60% JST PCBs) as well as features some finishes that won't be offered in the GB.




Thanks.

Dailyclack for OCE bless up
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: LMarci on Fri, 08 April 2022, 05:29:35
God I love this design so much
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: genevatypes on Wed, 13 April 2022, 15:56:18
Excited for Moment <3
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 22 April 2022, 17:54:03
Is this still planned to run next month?
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in May 2022.
Post by: Ustinj on Fri, 22 April 2022, 21:14:19
Hello,

Currently awaiting prototypes from the new manufacturer before confirming a GB date, but the estimate is (and still is) late May. If anything is rescheduled I will definitely update here. Thanks for checking in.

Justin
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in Q2 2022.
Post by: Der8auer on Tue, 10 May 2022, 09:07:33
Nice Deisgn
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in Q2 2022.
Post by: Ustinj on Wed, 11 May 2022, 21:41:16
Unfortunately, prototypes are taking a bit longer to arrive from the manufacturer due to COVID delays and lockdowns. As a result, I've changed the projected GB date to a general Q2 2022 - hopefully we can narrow it down to June 2022 if things pan out well.

Thanks all.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in Q2 2022.
Post by: Jacki on Sat, 14 May 2022, 15:05:28
I love the side profile.
Would also love a tkl with this side profile.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in Q2 2022.
Post by: ABlazinBlueToe on Fri, 15 July 2022, 12:47:48
Any updates on proto yet?
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in Q2 2022.
Post by: Ustinj on Fri, 15 July 2022, 12:54:32
Yes - probably the best anodization I've seen, but they made some mistakes in machining. So I'm working to resolve that with them (and ensure they're able to produce the board perfectly) before proceeding.

Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in Q2 2022.
Post by: Ustinj on Thu, 11 August 2022, 16:27:53
Took delivery of a prototype that meets my requirements for production. That being said, the lead vendor and I are currently now waiting on delivery of a final round from an alternate supplier to really solidify our decision. I'm expecting we may be able to set a final group buy date window that begins within the next month or two. Next update should have a lot more concrete details.



(https://i.imgur.com/K7U7QgR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jxg4g65.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in Q2 2022.
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Thu, 11 August 2022, 18:30:03
sides look great actualized  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB in Q2 2022.
Post by: Space_Case88 on Thu, 11 August 2022, 21:10:59
super happy that you are choosing cannonkeys. and also that it look as if it is possible to actually buy this board. Death to exclusivity!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, Full GB start of Q4
Post by: Ustinj on Wed, 14 September 2022, 23:59:04
Looks like we're getting this ball rolling!

Moment is anticipated to be available for group buy between October 1st - October 14th.

The vendor list and unit counts are as follows:



More details and final pricing to follow. Sale formats, region locks, etc. will be determined individually by respective vendors.

(https://i.imgur.com/9VDaz4v.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/RKd11Q9.png)



Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: Sissy on Thu, 15 September 2022, 01:27:22
Glad its finally happening, I do hope I will have the cash in time.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: autumnfall on Thu, 15 September 2022, 16:16:49
That blue looks gorgeous under some lighting!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: B_D on Thu, 15 September 2022, 19:01:13
I want  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: Slimey on Fri, 16 September 2022, 01:11:36
Looks cool, might cop  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: treeleaf64 on Fri, 16 September 2022, 19:52:52
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850 units and $460 per board is >150k in profit after vendor margin
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 16 September 2022, 19:58:40
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850 units and $460 per board is >150k in profit after vendor margin

Oh no
He's making money selling product he designed
Oh the humanity
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: Sissy on Fri, 16 September 2022, 20:00:33
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850 units and $460 per board is >150k in profit after vendor margin
and how did you work this out?
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 16 September 2022, 20:56:37
treeleaf probably started designing a board, got a couple of quotes, and now he thinks he knows the manufacturing costs of every board he sees on geekhack
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: treeleaf64 on Fri, 16 September 2022, 21:37:42
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850 units and $460 per board is >150k in profit after vendor margin

Oh no
He's making money selling product he designed
Oh the humanity


Oh I actually think it's good for him, I would do the same
as long as it's good quality I support


Yayayaa Yayayayaya Yayayayaya!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: treeleaf64 on Fri, 16 September 2022, 21:44:33
Here is one flower for Sorry

Yes   Which one is your favorite flower.


Quote
treeleaf probably started designing a board, got a couple of quotes, and now he thinks he knows the manufacturing costs of every board he sees on geekhack

Yes  Yes

Quote
and how did you work this out?
Sub 300 per board for 850 units, with vendor margin ==> remaining goes to profit
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: discourse and group on Fri, 16 September 2022, 23:23:23
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850 units and $460 per board is >150k in profit after vendor margin
cool to see the classic "nice" post is being replaced with schizoposting poems
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: Ustinj on Fri, 16 September 2022, 23:43:20
Here is one flower for Sorry

Yes   Which one is your favorite flower.


Quote
treeleaf probably started designing a board, got a couple of quotes, and now he thinks he knows the manufacturing costs of every board he sees on geekhack

Yes  Yes

Quote
and how did you work this out?
Sub 300 per board for 850 units, with vendor margin ==> remaining goes to profit

Howdy sir, I don't want to get into any specifics about speculation on pricing, but there is a really big miscalculation in your estimate - I can confidently say that even if this group buy performs exceptionally (which is not a guaranteed bet with the current state of the keyboard market), the number you've reached is several multiples way too high. Just wanted to address the comment vaguely, so folks won't feel they are paying an unfair price.

This project was delayed for about half a year as I wanted to try to lower the cost to be within reason for the current market conditions and had to sample multiple manufacturing options. I hope folks will be pleased with the quality and design - I was pretty picky on selecting a supplier :-)

On another note, Cannonkeys has now launched a "Coming Soon" page for MOMENT - check it out: https://cannonkeys.com/products/moment-coming-soon



That blue looks gorgeous under some lighting!

I want  :p

Glad its finally happening, I do hope I will have the cash in time.

Thank you for your support, it is appreciated greatly ~
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: Sissy on Sat, 17 September 2022, 00:13:51
What extra plates would you recommend getting?
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 17 September 2022, 17:11:51
Quote
Howdy sir, I don't want to get into any specifics about speculation on pricing, but there is a really big miscalculation in your estimate - I can confidently say that even if this group buy performs exceptionally (which is not a guaranteed bet with the current state of the keyboard market), the number you've reached is several multiples way too high. Just wanted to address the comment vaguely, so folks won't feel they are paying an unfair price.

Thank you Mr Justin and Mr Rustin
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: audax989 on Sun, 18 September 2022, 06:59:51
I am 100% happy with my Moment. I wish you luck on the full GB! wish I had extra funds for that purple but I'll be sitting this one out and waiting on the derivative.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: stidal on Mon, 19 September 2022, 12:20:01
got to try one of these yesterday, cannot hype it up enough. really great sound, typing experience, and aesthetic
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Updates, GB coming this Saturday (Oct 1st)!
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 27 September 2022, 02:25:19
Hello everyone!

Some announcements and updates on the upcoming buy beginning this Saturday.

0. To reiterate, the sale will be opening at Cannonkeys this Saturday, 11AM ET. Check with your vendors for more specifics on their sales! IMO, the best place to get instant information for this would be vendor Discord servers (list below). I will be updating this thread when I have the confirmed times for all regions.

In the meantime, I'd suggest keeping up to date or directing vendor-specific questions to the following:


1. Because the full polypropylene plate was a core element to the original run of Moment, Cannonkeys and other participating vendors will be adding the option for buyers to upgrade the base kit's plate option from FR4 to full polypropylene. This way, full PP enjoyers will not have to pay for a whole extra plate and leave the FR4 plate to waste, instead just opting for the upgrade. Please check with your designated regional vendors for the specifics on this.

2. Due to a slight delay in latest prototype units arriving, in addition to prior-planned scheduling, build streams (alexotos, LightningKeyboards, Lulzthax) will be most likely be coming during the first week of the buy (Oct 1 - Oct 7). This means there will not be the typical array of content leading up to the sale date. To look at it with a glass half full, that basically guarantees anyone that has been following this project for a while and is interested in picking one up will get their board! That being said, there's a ton of media for this board online (thanks to that R0 run!): https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=moment+jjw

3. To clarify, the hotswap PCB is a fixed layout. Tsangan bottom row, split right shift, split backspace, full caps. Solder PCB is Tsangan bottom row, options for split right shift, split/full backspace, stepped/full caps. Plates are similar - ISO users, split space users, etc. should have custom plates cut later on. These layouts are not supported by the stock PCB, but Moment is fully compatible with PCBs like the Wilba WT-60 (with JST), and Hineybush H60 (default JST position). Plate files WILL be released closer to fulfillment date.

4. Here's a quick shot of the two colored prototypes I recently got in-hand.

DUSK PURPLE

(https://i.imgur.com/2Wqlp3V.jpg)

DAWN BLUE

(https://i.imgur.com/6Rcfs2R.jpg)

DAWN BLUE SIDE PROFILE

(https://i.imgur.com/ZvGytWO.jpg)


Excited to get this ball rolling! Any unanswered questions, please feel free to ask.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 27 September 2022, 02:27:08
got to try one of these yesterday, cannot hype it up enough. really great sound, typing experience, and aesthetic

I really am glad that it was pleasant for you!

I am 100% happy with my Moment. I wish you luck on the full GB! wish I had extra funds for that purple but I'll be sitting this one out and waiting on the derivative.

I appreciate that feedback. It means a lot.

What extra plates would you recommend getting?

I personally am a huge fan of the full polypropylene - it feels the most well-rounded of all the plate options IMO (totally subjective).
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Vendors, GB October 1st - October 14th
Post by: conternecticus on Tue, 27 September 2022, 02:30:56
I personally am a huge fan of the full polypropylene - it feels the most well-rounded of all the plate options IMO (totally subjective).

How are the characteristics of pp compared to pc/pom?
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Announcements / GB opening this Saturday, Oct 1st!
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 27 September 2022, 02:35:10
I personally am a huge fan of the full polypropylene - it feels the most well-rounded of all the plate options IMO (totally subjective).

How are the characteristics of pp compared to pc/pom?

I don't have all of these plates built to directly compare, but I'd say my memory of each plate is pretty strong.

PP is a bit more dampened in reverb - sound is "tighter" compared to polycarbonate. Polycarbonate has some lingering mid notes that sound a little deeper and more plasticky (which some like). Feel wise, I'd also make a similar comparison but not nearly as noticeable to me.

I haven't tried POM on this board - I find POM to be too muted and quiet most of the time.

Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Updates, GB coming this Saturday (Oct 1st)!
Post by: Dreenok on Tue, 27 September 2022, 02:51:35

  • EU: Deskhero (https://discord.mykeyboard.eu/)


Heya Justin,
Mispasted here, the EU proxy is Mykeyboard (the discord link is ok tho) ;)

Cheers
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Updates, GB coming this Saturday (Oct 1st)!
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 27 September 2022, 02:59:54

  • EU: Deskhero (https://discord.mykeyboard.eu/)


Heya Justin,
Mispasted here, the EU proxy is Mykeyboard (the discord link is ok tho) ;)

Cheers

Much thanks, adjusted  :)
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Announcements / GB opening this Saturday, Oct 1st!
Post by: xenic on Tue, 04 October 2022, 03:26:38
I love the side profile of this keyboard, but I wish the bottom weight could've been a screwless design.

Does the base kit come with the Gasket Kit and Dampening Kit or do I need to purchase them separately?
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Announcements / GB opening this Saturday, Oct 1st!
Post by: Ustinj on Tue, 04 October 2022, 17:58:29
I love the side profile of this keyboard, but I wish the bottom weight could've been a screwless design.

Does the base kit come with the Gasket Kit and Dampening Kit or do I need to purchase them separately?

The bottom weight is screwed in last because it serves to hide the screws on the rear-angled edge of the board. If the weight is screwed in internally, then there would be no way to screw the top case and bottom case together without doing a screwless design (which I typically don't find worth the headache in use with the downsides it usually presents, and I personally like the look of screws on the bottom haha).

That being said, the gasket strips are included in the kit, but the dampening kit is a separate addon (case foam, plate foam, and pcb foam).
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Updates, GB coming this Saturday (Oct 1st)!
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 05 October 2022, 10:14:12
Might want to put this info in the first post, and/or in the very last post then close the thread with a link to a GB thread. This is easily lost otherwise.

Hello everyone!

Some announcements and updates on the upcoming buy beginning this Saturday.

0. To reiterate, the sale will be opening at Cannonkeys this Saturday, 11AM ET. Check with your vendors for more specifics on their sales! IMO, the best place to get instant information for this would be vendor Discord servers (list below). I will be updating this thread when I have the confirmed times for all regions.

In the meantime, I'd suggest keeping up to date or directing vendor-specific questions to the following:

  • US: Cannonkeys (https://discord.com/invite/DKpykqYKAe)
  • CA: Deskhero (https://discord.gg/2utk39S)
  • EU: mykeyboard (https://discord.mykeyboard.eu/)
  • UK: Prototypist (https://discord.gg/qm944aC)
  • AS: ILUMKB (https://discord.gg/52kkJ28)
  • AU: Switchkeys (https://discord.gg/switchkeys)

1. Because the full polypropylene plate was a core element to the original run of Moment, Cannonkeys and other participating vendors will be adding the option for buyers to upgrade the base kit's plate option from FR4 to full polypropylene. This way, full PP enjoyers will not have to pay for a whole extra plate and leave the FR4 plate to waste, instead just opting for the upgrade. Please check with your designated regional vendors for the specifics on this.

2. Due to a slight delay in latest prototype units arriving, in addition to prior-planned scheduling, build streams (alexotos, LightningKeyboards, Lulzthax) will be most likely be coming during the first week of the buy (Oct 1 - Oct 7). This means there will not be the typical array of content leading up to the sale date. To look at it with a glass half full, that basically guarantees anyone that has been following this project for a while and is interested in picking one up will get their board! That being said, there's a ton of media for this board online (thanks to that R0 run!): https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=moment+jjw

3. To clarify, the hotswap PCB is a fixed layout. Tsangan bottom row, split right shift, split backspace, full caps. Solder PCB is Tsangan bottom row, options for split right shift, split/full backspace, stepped/full caps. Plates are similar - ISO users, split space users, etc. should have custom plates cut later on. These layouts are not supported by the stock PCB, but Moment is fully compatible with PCBs like the Wilba WT-60 (with JST), and Hineybush H60 (default JST position). Plate files WILL be released closer to fulfillment date.

4. Here's a quick shot of the two colored prototypes I recently got in-hand.

DUSK PURPLE

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/2Wqlp3V.jpg)


DAWN BLUE

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/6Rcfs2R.jpg)


DAWN BLUE SIDE PROFILE

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ZvGytWO.jpg)



Excited to get this ball rolling! Any unanswered questions, please feel free to ask.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Announcements / GB opening this Saturday, Oct 1st!
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 05 October 2022, 10:16:03
Wait, disregard previous post. What happened to 1st October? I don't see any links anywhere, checked a couple vendors like MyKeyboard and nothing on their GB sites either
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Announcements / GB opening this Saturday, Oct 1st!
Post by: max.clacks on Wed, 05 October 2022, 11:51:00
Wait, disregard previous post. What happened to 1st October? I don't see any links anywhere, checked a couple vendors like MyKeyboard and nothing on their GB sites either

https://mykeyboard.eu/search/?q=moment
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Announcements / GB opening this Saturday, Oct 1st!
Post by: xenic on Wed, 05 October 2022, 18:40:08
That being said, the gasket strips are included in the kit, but the dampening kit is a separate addon (case foam, plate foam, and pcb foam).

That's good to know.  Is there a sound test available with all of the dampening foams installed?  It seems like none of the sound tests linked in the thread utilized foams and am curious how it'd sound.  Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Announcements / GB opening this Saturday, Oct 1st!
Post by: lakeboredom on Fri, 07 October 2022, 06:51:30
Is there something that keeps the plate centered or can it move enough to touch the metal of the case on its sides?
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Announcements / GB opening this Saturday, Oct 1st!
Post by: Ustinj on Fri, 07 October 2022, 14:08:28
Is there something that keeps the plate centered or can it move enough to touch the metal of the case on its sides?

There are alignment posts in the corners of the case.

(https://i.imgur.com/lcT5mFA.png)

That being said, the gasket strips are included in the kit, but the dampening kit is a separate addon (case foam, plate foam, and pcb foam).

That's good to know.  Is there a sound test available with all of the dampening foams installed?  It seems like none of the sound tests linked in the thread utilized foams and am curious how it'd sound.  Thanks!

Unfortunately not, but I would imagine it would just completely remove any reverb left in the case.

Wait, disregard previous post. What happened to 1st October? I don't see any links anywhere, checked a couple vendors like MyKeyboard and nothing on their GB sites either

I've submitted a GB thread but it hasn't been approved yet unfortunately.
Title: Re: [IC] Moment - 60% | Pre-GB Announcements / GB opening this Saturday, Oct 1st!
Post by: Ustinj on Fri, 07 October 2022, 14:23:27
Please feel free to lock this thread. Thanks

GB Thread is opened: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=118523.0