I would love to have Ruger Precision rifle magnum.
I don't know how hard is to acquire papers for this in UK, but will look into it at some point.

£2,295.00 Inc VAT, wow.

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A lot of people actually advocate for birdshot since it can inflict tremendous damage at close range without even penetrating a single wall behind the target.

I find "a lot of people" haven't bothered to actually look up ballistics. ) Birdshot isn't what I'd consider "tremendous damage," it is what I'd consider "unreliable." If it's not going to go through drywall, it's absolutely not trustworthy to go through a person.

The choice of birdshot, usually about midsize shot for the type (depending on range) is actually based on ballistic tests. It is usually the people who haven't tested it for themselves, or looked into tests done by others, that disregard birdshot as an option. At typical home defense ranges, it can dump a lot more energy into a target than something like 00 buck or slugs, which would pass right through and still have plenty of energy left over. I imagine you've seen his channel at this point, but Paul Harrell has a lot of good ballistic and individual scenario tests of many different ammunition types.

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the traditional/colloquial Lee-Enfield chambered in .303

Yup! Except it wasn't rimlock, it was straight up failure to fire on multiple rounds, both modern and old production. I've also had failures with the 1917, 03A3, and other surplus. I haven't had failures with my Yugo Mauser or Garand, but nigh every other surplus platform I've gotten behind has failed me for gun-related (not ammo) issues. This is anecdotal, obviously. But "time-proven" and "bolt action" doesn't always equal the best choice for modern problems.

I haven't heard of this being a problem with the 1917. 1917 and 1903 are both basically 98 Mausers. They're all over 100 years old now and I think most 1917s were surplused decades before they could even be refurbished for service in WWII. I imagine, if anything, it needed a new striker/firing pin spring. It looks like they're even made in different weightings.

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I was going to ask how you're lugging that Glock 17 slide around.

19 grip, great holster, and luck with both genetics and job.  Being able to wear loose t-shirts and jeans to my office is great. If I had to dress in business casual, tuck my shirt in, or wasn't built as I am physically, it wouldn't work and I'd be rocking a Shield or P30SK instead.

I do wish that I could wear things like that at work ... or even carry at work. HK P30 is one of the very nicest shooting handguns I have ever shot, and the one I tried was even a .40. Seems to fit my hand like a glove too. HK really has some voodoo going no with their recoil management. Not sure why. It isn't like they're the only ones making dual recoil spring setups. My USP .45 literally feels like shooting a 9mm. It is funny though, P30 was one of the first handguns I ever shot, and I immediately loved it. I own 20 ... ish handguns now and don't even have one yet.

Not gonna lie though, I'm more than a little jealous of that Jericho...such a lovely pistol.

I have two Jerichos, both Israeli surplus single-action only 941Fs since I like light and crisp single-action triggers, and the manual of arms is basically the same as a 1911. One is blued, one is hard chrome or something. Neither are in perfect shape, but I like a little real-world wear. They can be had pretty cheaply too if you wait around for a big import shipment. I think the light mounts on the later ones ruin the aesthetic. I would love to get Spike Spiegel's 941r, but those are already unobtainum and probably won't be a reasonable price ever again now. They handle every bit as nice as they look, if you haven't held one. They fit my hands like a glove and all of the controls are like glass.

And thank you for the good discussion! It's nice having reasonable talks on these topics when they can get so heated. 

Always a pleasure discussing firearms with someone knowledgeable.   

I would love to have Ruger Precision rifle magnum.
I don't know how hard is to acquire papers for this in UK, but will look into it at some point.

Ruger makes some great stuff, for some great prices. These are just bolt guns, so that's one of the biggest hurdles, isn't it? I have always heard that semi autos are a big no no, but even if an AR is modified to be manually operated with each shot, they're relatively simple to get a license for. I haven't done any in-depth research myself though, since I don't live there. I wish Ian at Forgotten Weapons would have done a video on it by now. IV8888 may not cover all of the bases, but this will probably be helpful (if a little out of date now).

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Quote from: phinix on Thu, 24 June 2021, 04:46:07

I would love to have Ruger Precision rifle magnum.
I don't know how hard is to acquire papers for this in UK, but will look into it at some point.

£2,295.00 Inc VAT, wow.

Is that expensive for sniper rifle?
I'm don't really know.
Regular version .308 (non-Magnum) is a lot cheaper, I think around £1800.

I'm not sure which would be better (and better for what?), but MAGNUM sounds niiiice 
I guess it makes bigger holes  )

I think I would need to apply for some papers first here in UK, just getting into this subject...

That's actually a pretty good bargain for a long-range precision rifle, depending on how precise you really feel you need to go. I'm kind of surprised Rugers would even be routinely imported. Look into something like the Desert Tech SRS-A2, or your own wonderful Accuracy International rifles if you want to see what precision rifles often sell for. 

I'm no expert on precision rifles, but if you want to put that much money into a rifle like that, you might want a cartridge that's flatter shooting with better accuracy potential, like 6.5 Creedmoor.

As far as magnum rounds goes, it depends. Magnum rounds are usually just very high velocity, which wouldn't make any larger of a hole than a projectile of the same diameter. It would just have a flatter trajectory and create a larger permanent wound channel due to cavitation.

I imagine, if anything, it needed a new striker/firing pin spring.

I'm pretty sure this is what it needs. But it gets out so rarely that I haven't bothered to track down the part on apex/numrich and swap it out yet.

HK really has some voodoo going no with their recoil management. Not sure why. It isn't like they're the only ones making dual recoil spring setups.

Does the P30 have a buffer same as the HK45C? That's the only HK I've had, and it was an unreasonably soft shooting pistol. Nicer to shoot with both 230gr and 185gr+P defensive loads than my friend's P226 40cal was with range ammo. I attribute a lot of it to the recoil buffer, because I later threw a Shok-Buff at my M9A1 Compact-L (among other changes) and it made a huge difference in how softly it shot. Both of those really made me wish that buffers were a more standard feature in pistols.

That's actually a pretty good bargain for a long-range precision rifle, depending on how precise you really feel you need to go.

Especially for a magnum, that's a solid price. Those command a premium anywhere you go due to the build requirements.

Look into something like the Desert Tech SRS-A2, or your own wonderful Accuracy International rifles if you want to see what precision rifles often sell for. 

The custom build realm is where it starts to really hurt, and ELR is where you don't talk about what you've paid unless you're an oil/crypto baron or chain smoke to cope. 

It's concerningly easy to get the costs up there. Without even going for the most expensive of everything, just throwing together a solid but high/top-level competitive rig:

• $995 - Stiller Tac 30 Action
• $370 - Barlein Stainless barrel, 6mm
• $unknown - gunsmith costs to chamer, fit, etc the barrel
• $275 - Triggertech Diamond
• $1075 - non-folding MPA BA Competition Chassis
• $165 - Area 419 Hellfire Muzzle Brake
• Current total for just the base rifle: $2950+, which puts us at $500+ over the non-magnum Ruger for him.
• $410 - Spuhr 34mm Unimount 20MOA
• $70 - spare mags from MPA
• $320 - Atlas Bipod & Arca Swiss mount
• New total: $7280+

And this still doesn't include your reloading setup, bags, tripod, rangefinder, binos, spotting scope, kestrel, on and on, or the fact that we can add an easy $1k just on a better action and stock, then another $2k on the optic, tag on another $1k+ for the suppressor you'll want sometimes, another $400+ for a Proof Research barrel...you can easily hit 5 digits with custom rigs and still have more to go.

Though you can absolutely get into it for <$2k, generally at a competitive level, precision rifle is a rich man's sport. 

I'm no expert on precision rifles, but if you want to put that much money into a rifle like that, you might want a cartridge that's flatter shooting with better accuracy potential, like 6.5 Creedmoor.

As far as magnum rounds goes, it depends. Magnum rounds are usually just very high velocity, which wouldn't make any larger of a hole than a projectile of the same diameter. It would just have a flatter trajectory and create a larger permanent wound channel due to cavitation.

All of this. The 6/6.5mm class are the way to go. 308 has the advantage of availability and documentation, but 6.5CM has really done a great job of stepping up on both of those since it's debut, and the 6mm class is what really starts to rock out of a non-mag short action if you're willing to reload for it.

any mugger try to come at me I'll shoot them with my poor man's gun

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This gun shoots sepsis, and doesn't even make a bang!