Matt your poll options and the set images are in a different order that might confuse some people :D
just for the record: I won't have company or product logos (no, not even windows key). So don't ask :P
Voted for pure grey! This will be epic!
Maybe you should mention that the first WYSE OTD picture is taken by YongJK? Just to give some credit to YongJK.
Charcoal is heading?
Charcoal is heading?
Only because its got the word dolch in the poll :(
Any chance of cherry legends? Either way, thick PBT DSA sounds sweet.
Do you have the SP codes for the colors? I'd be happy to post pics of the options (funny story, I was cleaning out my room last night and found a package from mkawa that I had completely forgotten about, opened it and found a set of the SP PBT color rings...).
Charcoal is heading?
Only because its got the word dolch in the poll :(
Matt3o, Gotham Rounded is pretty nice, but note, I don’t recommend just typing characters in and leaving them the way they first appear; especially for several of the symbols, you want to carefully re-adjust the size/spacing so that they best align and match the other caps, and in some cases even re-draw the outlines. If you want, I’d be happy to help w/ layout (manually changing letter shapes, adjusting kerning, etc.). It’s obviously a slightly different design direction than you’re headed, but here’s an example of a little bit of fiddling I was doing: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54972.0
Any chance of cherry legends? Either way, thick PBT DSA sounds sweet.
Do you have the SP codes for the colors? I'd be happy to post pics of the options (funny story, I was cleaning out my room last night and found a package from mkawa that I had completely forgotten about, opened it and found a set of the SP PBT color rings...).
okay maybe there's a bit of confusion here about the legends.
This is PBT, SP can't double shot PBT yet, so we are going to sublimate the legends. We can have any font/character/icon we want on them (cherry replica included, granted we get permission).
As of now the best typeface I could find is Gotham Round, but I'm open to alternatives.Matt3o, Gotham Rounded is pretty nice, but note, I don’t recommend just typing characters in and leaving them the way they first appear; especially for several of the symbols, you want to carefully re-adjust the size/spacing so that they best align and match the other caps, and in some cases even re-draw the outlines. If you want, I’d be happy to help w/ layout (manually changing letter shapes, adjusting kerning, etc.). It’s obviously a slightly different design direction than you’re headed, but here’s an example of a little bit of fiddling I was doing: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54972.0
yeah there will be a lot of work to make the legends, in fact Gotham Medium is too thick and Gotham Book is too light. So we will have to take Gotham Book and outline it a bit. So we will have to adjust each character one by one. Also, gotham has some really bad symbols in my opinion (such as @)... Definitely a lot of work!Any chance of cherry legends? Either way, thick PBT DSA sounds sweet.
Do you have the SP codes for the colors? I'd be happy to post pics of the options (funny story, I was cleaning out my room last night and found a package from mkawa that I had completely forgotten about, opened it and found a set of the SP PBT color rings...).
I also have the color ring, thanks.
These are possible color combos but not definitive.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fKepS29.jpg)
Charcoal would be 99% GJQ+GQT and Model M WAT+GTP. Pure gray instead is more complicated. I believe the best combo is GKK+GEC (not pictured). Here below a nice gradient of (almost) neutral grays.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MjuqGDf.jpg)
Actually, I voted for Dolch, but the more I think about it, the more I think that the WYSE replica set would look nicer in PBT with Dye Subed legends. So -1 from Dolch and +1 to Gray.
yeah there will be a lot of work to make the legends, in fact Gotham Medium is too thick and Gotham Book is too light. So we will have to take Gotham Book and outline it a bit. So we will have to adjust each character one by one. Also, gotham has some really bad symbols in my opinion (such as @)... Definitely a lot of work!If you’re willing to drop the “rounded” bit (or add some rounding manually), do consider Avenir Next. It’s pretty solid among geometric sans faces for this kind of use, but has the advantage of having many weights, small caps, some stylistic alternates, etc.
Pure gray,
...and credit goes to eyesmiles.
Pure gray,
...and credit goes to eyesmiles.
Pure gray,
...and credit goes to eyesmiles.
That is damn sexy. I just like the ` and the \ keys to be the same color as the mods. To me it just looks incomplete. I know a lot of people like it this way but it would be amazing if this was an option.
1st Choice - Beige (as always).
2nd Choice - Charcoal, need more charcoal love out there :thumb: .
Also love the fact this will be the FIRST - PBT buy from SP for this year. I hope they fixed all the molds for these keys and are running brilliantly in their factory.
I agree this should be beige, I actually find the pure gray pretty boring, and it's the least appealing of the three to me... but I understand that gray is the easiest to use (it goes well on anything).
okay there's another option... we could have both gray and charcoal by using the dark color of the gray as light color of the charcoal.Sounds great. Especially if you just have 3 base colors for each of alphas and mods, then someone can equally get uniform-colored caps or light mods + darker alphas or light gray alphas + super dark gray mods. Makes it pretty flexible without impossibly much expanding the set of options.
Since the ergodox will be supported, could there be an option for extra blank keys for acidfire's (eventual) ergo board?
I actually find the pure gray pretty boring, and it's the least appealing of the three to me... but I understand that gray is the easiest to use (it goes well on anything).
My problem is that I am slowly being assimilated by the master topre race and I have just too many MX key caps but not many MX boards. The beige looked really interesting (and PBT space bars(!)) but do I want another set of key caps. Why you do this to me?!
I am waiting for that day.. you heard us, Matt3o?
Symbols all still need a lot of work, and there are no arrows/numpad (and F1–F12 are at least slightly too big), but how’s this for a start?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BepVIsw.jpg)
I don't like the Q and R of that fontWell, not everyone has good taste. :P
I love the roman numerals. If this comes with an ISO set for a good price, I'm in.Note, I’m just tossing out ideas with these designs. Matt is the one running the show here, and so the final product is probably going to look like whatever his preferences are. :-)
Same for Dvorak; maybe all these alternative layout home keys can be part of a set so numbers aren't such a problem. (Tentative name: "Qwerty isn't good enough for you, eh?")I like that name. :)
Same for Dvorak; maybe all these alternative layout home keys can be part of a set so numbers aren't such a problem. (Tentative name: "Qwerty isn't good enough for you, eh?")I like that name. :)
But with DSA profile, only two: the deep dish ones. Since all the rows are the same, you can shuffle them between rows without a problem.
Is there a reason people like the deep dish F/J/whatever instead of the little raised dots? [I personally prefer the dots.]
Is there a reason people like the deep dish F/J/whatever instead of the little raised dots? [I personally prefer the dots.]
I don't think we will have roman numbers, sublimated pbt doesn't come cheap, so we have to concentrate on feed well done kitsWhat are the MOQs and prices per cap at MOQ? Seems like all you need for any particular add-on kit is enough people interested, and as long as they get the main kit as well, it shouldn’t hurt anything, no? (Except their wallets.) Anyway, I’m not particularly attached to any of this. I’m just playing around. [And personally, I mostly need some Alps caps, so might not get any of these sets at all. I’m happy to spend a bit more time on design fiddling though, as I think the same designs will be reusable later.]
Seeing some of black on gray DSA caps from my crap bag they look very nice.
Seeing some of black on gray DSA caps from my crap bag they look very nice.
PICS!
Seeing some of black on gray DSA caps from my crap bag they look very nice.
Seeing some of black on gray DSA caps from my crap bag they look very nice.
Black on dark grey? If you do find them somewhere in that jungle of caps, pics would be very welcome indeed. Lack of contrast is one of the arguments against Charcoal, so it would be good to see the actual readability.
Until we see actual pictures, the problem with charcoal may be its lack of contrast.
Awesome, can we suggest some other symbols?
Here’s Gotham Rounded (letters are book weight + slight fattening). Symbols still need a lot of work. :)This is looking really good! The Gotham Rounded font looks great, and I'd be really happy with either gray or charcoal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gCt5qnW.jpg)
Here’s Gotham Rounded (letters are book weight + slight fattening). Symbols still need a lot of work. :)This is looking really good! The Gotham Rounded font looks great, and I'd be really happy with either gray or charcoal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gCt5qnW.jpg)
Personally, I think all caps looks the best, but in general I do not care for Roman numerals on caps. They feel out of place on a keyboard and better suited for Diablo or a grandfather clock. :p
First post on the forum; saw what jacobolus created and was motivated to design a layout myself (new to this so hope it was okay to use yours as a template).Sure, no problem!
The rational behind the layout was to design a modern approach to the Model M layout. The symbols are flush left (asymmetric look), all uppercase and adjusted/spaced proportionally.Do note that this mockup shows the dimensions for DSA keycaps. If you’re looking for something like the Model M, you probably want a profile like DCS or similar, which has a different shaped cap top.
Seeing some of black on gray DSA caps from my crap bag they look very nice.
What would be the arrows profile?
What would be the arrows profile?
what do you mean by "profile"? DSA is profile-less.
What would be the arrows profile?
what do you mean by "profile"? DSA is profile-less.
I meant the icon that will be used for the arrows.
The legends are NOT final!
I'm just working on the kits right now. I don't know if modifiers will be upper or lower case. The "nerdom" kit is still under construction and we still miss the international kit (and ISO enter) that has to be defined yet.
ALL kits will be available in blank variant!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oVxFYsT.png)
input welcome.
The legends are NOT final!
I'm just working on the kits right now. I don't know if modifiers will be upper or lower case. The "nerdom" kit is still under construction and we still miss the international kit (and ISO enter) that has to be defined yet.
ALL kits will be available in blank variant!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oVxFYsT.png)
input welcome.
Suggestions:
- Add a dark gray (1x1 size) = key on the numpad, and possibly also include both / and ÷, both * and × as well
- Add / . , ; ' [ ] ` | - + = to the mono-legend group
- Add a shifted-number mono-legend group with ! @ # $ % ^ & * ( ) ¢ £ or possibly combine these w/ the other mono-legend group
- Add a 1.5x1 size 'delete' or 'backspace' to the additional mods for the 40% folks &c., and possibly also add a 1.75x1 size 'delete' or 'backspace' to the extra homing set, for the Colemak folks
regarding color codes, this could be white+light-gray or light-gray+dark-gray... I really don't know yet.
thanks. regarding the mono-legend let's just try to decide which one we want (upper or lower).Well, my personal reason to want both is that I’m programming my keyboards [currently playing with an Ergodox; planned is to make a custom ergonomic Alps board] to have rather funky keyboard layouts, where I have a bunch of keys with stuff like parentheses and common programming symbols on the first layer; the order of these on standard keyboard layouts is not consistent :)
I recommend keeping the colors as neutral as possible (not yellowish/beige/etc.), and my vote is for light gray (but could be very light, almost white) and a medium gray (could be fairly light if the first color is close to white).regarding color codes, this could be white+light-gray or light-gray+dark-gray... I really don't know yet.
If you end up going with white/light-gray maybe like a off-white/light-gray.
regarding color codes, this could be white+light-gray or light-gray+dark-gray... I really don't know yet.
If you end up going with white/light-gray maybe like a off-white/light-gray.
thanks. regarding the mono-legend let's just try to decide which one we want (upper or lower).Well, my personal reason to want both is that I’m programming my keyboards [currently playing with an Ergodox; planned is to make a custom ergonomic Alps board] to have rather funky keyboard layouts, where I have a bunch of keys with stuff like parentheses and common programming symbols on the first layer; the order of these on standard keyboard layouts is not consistent :)
With respect to this current keycap set it doesn’t matter too much to me, but I imagine there are also other folks out there who would want both for their own various projects.
Anyway, if I had to recommend something more minimal, I’d go for these symbols w/r/t the number row ~ ! @ # $ % ^ & * ( ) - + ¢ £ " = and just the lower symbol for the bottom 3 rows of keys, i.e. [ ] \ ; ' , . /
Oh, also to the "Pear Modifiers" kit, you should add a 2x "Delete", a 2.25x "Return", a 1x "Help", a 1x "Clear", and possibly a 1x F13, F14, F15 ... And if you wanna be really cute, a 1x open apple symbol and a 1x closed apple
You may want to add "Win" keys to one of the extra mods sets.
unfortunately there's no neutral off-white, the only one we have is yellowish.Can you repeat which specific colors you’re now thinking of using, out of http://www.keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/pbtWhites.JPG http://www.keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/pbtGrays.JPG ?
[Also, does anyone know if anyone has measured these SP color chips with a spectrophotometer, or compared them by eye to some calibrated color chips, so I can get an idea based on more than a likely completely inaccurate photo? :)]
Edit: what about something like GSJ/GSK as colors?
color will be most likely GSH + GECJudging just from pictures, I’d personally use GDE or GSK instead of GEC, and GKK or GSJ instead of GSH.. But again, I don’t have the color chips in front of me, so it’s hard to judge. (And my preferences might differ from you folks’.)
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fKepS29.jpg)
color will be most likely GSH + GEC
This is a gradient of grayShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/MjuqGDf.jpg)
The image below is based on color calibrated pictures (the first is GSH+GEC)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kESc9W7.png)
GDE is too dark imhoI’m just judging from the photo, where GDE looks only very slightly darker than GEC, but much closer to neutral.
GDE is too dark imhoI’m just judging from the photo, where GDE looks only very slightly darker than GEC, but much closer to neutral.
What about something like WFJ and something like GMC? Or is that combination too light?
The Amiga A and the Commodore logo that appeared in Retro DSA must surely make an appearance here.
Matt, if you figure out approximate prices/MOQ/etc. for PBT dye subs from SP, would you report back about those? (e.g. what’s fixed / per-unit cost for each additional 1x1 legend, etc.)
I’d be happy to design another few sets of 1x1 ornamental caps that look a lot better / more closely match the rest of this set than the "nerdom" keys.
The legends are NOT final!
I'm just working on the kits right now. I don't know if modifiers will be upper or lower case. The "nerdom" kit is still under construction and we still miss the international kit (and ISO enter) that has to be defined yet.
ALL kits will be available in blank variant!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oVxFYsT.png)
input welcome.
You should leave it as is. I only hope you consider running this Group Buy from here in Geekhack instead of allowing SP to run it all. I still have huge reservations on them running anything worth while. That is why Geekhack has been doing this now for some years and everyone learns from each other on how to run a GB successfully. It involves everyone to participate and suggest possible solutions and it always finishes successfully, that is why Geekhack Group Buys is worth being here.
Of course do what ever you want but please consider again how many will sign up to this and hand over their money when the deadline arrives........
Please post your suggestions,Hm. Well, I just got a bunch of those Dover design books [full of various images showing designs from some region of the world, etc.] and I’ve been feeling inspired to make some monochromatic 2D art. But I’m not exactly sure what.
Please post your suggestions,Hm. Well, I just got a bunch of those Dover design books [full of various images showing designs from some region of the world, etc.] and I’ve been feeling inspired to make some monochromatic 2D art. But I’m not exactly sure what.
Examples could be various kinds of patterns/symbols, or plants/flowers, or animals, etc. I dunno, I bet I could come up with something that would go well w/ Gotham Rounded, but I don’t have a concrete plan.
It looks complete. But I wonder what the 1.5u arrows are for?
It looks complete. But I wonder what the 1.5u arrows are for?
yeah, I could remove the arrows and merge it with the additional modifiers. I'll think about it. The KBT Race has 1.25 arrows
I suggest you to add a red enter in the pro kit, or right in the base set, or in the pinch of color set.
I suggest you to add a red enter in the pro kit, or right in the base set, or in the pinch of color set.
unfortunately, 2.x keys are expensive.
I don't understand the point of having full grey ergodox kit, unless this kit is significantly cheaper than the grey DSA PBT ergodox kit that will be steadily available on SP website.
I don't understand the point of having full grey ergodox kit, unless this kit is significantly cheaper than the grey DSA PBT ergodox kit that will be steadily available on SP website.
matching the color?
Matt, would it be better to change the color scheme of Ergodox kit to something similar to that of Hyperfuse Ergodox kit? The grey DSA PBT ergodox kit will steadily available on SP website and I personally think it would be better to make something special in the GB.
I could add a couple of colors to the ergodox, but that would increase the cost I suppose.
I could add a couple of colors to the ergodox, but that would increase the cost I suppose.
I could add a couple of colors to the ergodox, but that would increase the cost I suppose.
hmm, what do you mean by adding more colours?
would it be possible to add 8 or 10 1x modifier gray coloured blanks to ergodox kit?
perhaps on some of the 1.5x blanks, maybe we can put "Ergo" "Dox" "Geek" "Hack" as legend? they are general enough.
just a suggestion :) i'm ok with blanks too if u think it's not feasible to put those legends.
I could add a couple of colors to the ergodox, but that would increase the cost I suppose.
hmm, what do you mean by adding more colours?
would it be possible to add 8 or 10 1x modifier gray coloured blanks to ergodox kit?
perhaps on some of the 1.5x blanks, maybe we can put "Ergo" "Dox" "Geek" "Hack" as legend? they are general enough.
just a suggestion :) i'm ok with blanks too if u think it's not feasible to put those legends.
All kits are available in blank, so there's no point on adding 1u to the ergodox (just take one of the others).
Again, since ALL kits are available in blank I see no issues at adding legends to the ergodox (you can buy it with and without legends). But no GH or DT keys.
I could add a couple of colors to the ergodox, but that would increase the cost I suppose.
I thought you were going to propose a cheap keyset in PBT? If you start adding more colours then the price tag rises and about 50% will drop out complaining about the cost (catch-22 situation again).
Just keep the colours absolutely minimal because we all want a quality key-set (I know it's SP) and it's more to do with font, type placement and classical looks that will last for years rather than flashy bits that get forgotten soon enough. I know you are a designer of sorts so please don't get swayed by noobs wanting a "technicolour raincoat" for $40.00 a set 8) .
For legends it might be prudent to just go with commons - tab, caps lock, 2x shift - all in 1.5x.
-1 for Gotham Rounded, WYSE or Cherry Legends on this set.
They are a great choice for when you need to flow plastic in double-shots but as an actual typeface aren't great.
Given this set is dye-sub it would be a missed opportunity to not choose a really great font that doesn't need to be limited by plastic flow and instead choose something that has a beautiful design to really make this set stand-out from the crowd.
Univers would be a great cohice. HP used it on their early PC keyboards and Apple used an italic condensed version on their Extended both to great effect.Show Image(http://ttic.uchicago.edu/~cotter/projects/aek2/images/keyboard.jpg)Show Image(http://www.9999hp.net/temp/HP_C1405A.jpg)
[)amien
-1 for Gotham Rounded, WYSE or Cherry Legends on this set.
For me [old Apple keycap legends are] just as ugly as those atrocities from Vortex...Now you’re just asking for a fist-fight.
Given this set is dye-sub it would be a missed opportunity to not choose a really great font that doesn't need to be limited by plastic flowBy the way, there are Apple IIGS keyboards (A9M0330) which use the condensed Univers italic which are very thick double-injection molded ABS, with legends that are actually quite a bit crisper than the dye-subbed PBT versions. So I’m not sure plastic flow was really the limiting feature here.
Fonts are personal taste of course, but that Apple Keyboard has really ugly legends in my opinion.
For me this is just as ugly as those atrocities from Vortex...
For me [old Apple keycap legends are] just as ugly as those atrocities from Vortex...Now you’re just asking for a fist-fight.
Futura would be another nice option, as would Frutiger 65 or one of the other Swiss Gothics.If you’ll take Futura, then Gotham (the non-rounded version) shouldn’t be too far out. Futura and Frutiger are pretty darn far apart.
Yes, I'm -1 on all the usual bubble-fonts we're forced to use for double-shots. This set is going to feel special, it should look it!
probably something for the push and pop layer?
Many are already available in 1.5x, either in the base set or pro kit. Shift, delete and escape could be added, however.
I'm not set on the typeface. The IC on this set started last year and at the end we settled on a "round" font (to get some retro flavor) and of all rounded, Gotham was one of the best.
OK fair enough - I struggle to figure out the widths from the pictures.
Also guys... the SP PBT spacebar is one of the least bent/distorted PBT spacebar I've seen so far. Kodos to SP engineers, they did a really great job.
I like this one. What name is it?
Also guys... the SP PBT spacebar is one of the least bent/distorted PBT spacebar I've seen so far. Kodos to SP engineers, they did a really great job.
Photos or it never happened..... Really want to see this so-called "engineered PBT Spacebar" with no bend/distortion 8) .
I like this one. What name is it?
It's already labelled by Matt3o, it's a VAG font, nice isn't it?
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0GtvNz.jpg)
Show Image(http://www.dubhead.at/media/pics/DSA_Fonts_Helvetica_Neue_01.jpg)
-1 for Gotham Rounded, WYSE or Cherry Legends on this set.
They are a great choice for when you need to flow plastic in double-shots but as an actual typeface aren't great.
Given this set is dye-sub it would be a missed opportunity to not choose a really great font that doesn't need to be limited by plastic flow and instead choose something that has a beautiful design to really make this set stand-out from the crowd.
Univers would be a great cohice. HP used it on their early PC keyboards and Apple used an italic condensed version on their Extended both to great effect.Show Image(http://www.9999hp.net/temp/HP_C1405A.jpg)
[)amien
-1 for Gotham Rounded, WYSE or Cherry Legends on this set.
They are a great choice for when you need to flow plastic in double-shots but as an actual typeface aren't great.
Given this set is dye-sub it would be a missed opportunity to not choose a really great font that doesn't need to be limited by plastic flow and instead choose something that has a beautiful design to really make this set stand-out from the crowd.
Univers would be a great cohice. HP used it on their early PC keyboards and Apple used an italic condensed version on their Extended both to great effect.Show Image(http://www.9999hp.net/temp/HP_C1405A.jpg)
[)amien
That HP is nice -- is it yours?
- Ron | samwisekoi
Working on the icon set, there's really a lot of work to do. Some are too thick others too thin, some rounded other squared... goshShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/bZ21EKp.png)
I may help on editing graphic files, just let me know the type, resolution and it they need an alpha channel.Presumably would be most useful as a vector format like PDF, SVG, etc.?
Working on the icon set, there's really a lot of work to do. Some are too thick others too thin, some rounded other squared... goshShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/bZ21EKp.png)
Working on the icon set, there's really a lot of work to do. Some are too thick others too thin, some rounded other squared... goshShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/bZ21EKp.png)
Oooh look!
Mac Option keys!
I don't think I've seen a set with those before!
-1 for Gotham Rounded, WYSE or Cherry Legends on this set.
They are a great choice for when you need to flow plastic in double-shots but as an actual typeface aren't great.
Given this set is dye-sub it would be a missed opportunity to not choose a really great font that doesn't need to be limited by plastic flow and instead choose something that has a beautiful design to really make this set stand-out from the crowd.
Univers would be a great cohice. HP used it on their early PC keyboards and Apple used an italic condensed version on their Extended both to great effect.Show Image(http://www.9999hp.net/temp/HP_C1405A.jpg)
[)amien
That HP is nice -- is it yours?
- Ron | samwisekoi
Working on the icon set, there's really a lot of work to do. Some are too thick others too thin, some rounded other squared... goshShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/bZ21EKp.png)
Compose key which size? 1u?1u would be great. That is the only size key that fits on a Tipro!
Working on the icon set, there's really a lot of work to do. Some are too thick others too thin, some rounded other squared... goshShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/bZ21EKp.png)
Working on the icon set, there's really a lot of work to do. Some are too thick others too thin, some rounded other squared... goshShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/bZ21EKp.png)
matt, u didn't want the scroll lock's padlock to be on capslock?
Also, if you’re drawing inspiration from Apple’s symbol for the Alt/Option key, and for Home/End/PgUp/PgDn/Delete, you may also want to look at their Caps Lock symbol, which is a shift arrow w/ an additional rectangle beneath; to me it makes more logical sense than the downward pointing arrow.
A more rational icon kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/oGFRxLk.png)
if you have suggestions please speak now before it's too late :P
I will add more key sizes but the icons should be all there.
A more rational icon kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/oGFRxLk.png)
if you have suggestions please speak now before it's too late :P
I will add more key sizes but the icons should be all there.
If I could suggest anything it would be to add a top row with a power symbol
A more rational icon kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/oGFRxLk.png)
if you have suggestions please speak now before it's too late :P
I will add more key sizes but the icons should be all there.
awesome thanks matt
If I could suggest anything it would be to add a top row with a power symbol
the power symbol is in the "multimedia" kit
I like how the lock is anmbiguous, so you could use it as any kind of lock key.Working on the icon set, there's really a lot of work to do. Some are too thick others too thin, some rounded other squared... goshShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/bZ21EKp.png)
matt, u didn't want the scroll lock's padlock to be on capslock?
charcoal is rising... better stop the voting :)
charcoal is rising... better stop the voting :)
I'm glad because I voted for Charcoal :thumb: . This would be fantastic, done in Charcoal. You see Matt3o when you rely on democracy to decide the outcome you end up pissed off when it heads out in other directions 8) .
Maybe next time you'll run a pure, far right fascist style of Group Buy?
Who said that this is not a fascist style GB? :p
Pure grey master race, Charcoal = Peasant
charcoal is rising... better stop the voting :)
I'm glad because I voted for Charcoal :thumb: . This would be fantastic, done in Charcoal. You see Matt3o when you rely on democracy to decide the outcome you end up pissed off when it heads out in other directions 8) .
Maybe next time you'll run a pure, far right fascist style of Group Buy?
So idea would be: if base pure gray reaches 100 set sold, we add charcoal. (unless charcoal wins by a long distance)
I listen to everybody... and try to compromise. I hope everybody noticed that most of the suggestions have been applied to a certain degree.
charcoal is rising... better stop the voting :)
I'm glad because I voted for Charcoal :thumb: . This would be fantastic, done in Charcoal. You see Matt3o when you rely on democracy to decide the outcome you end up pissed off when it heads out in other directions 8) .
Maybe next time you'll run a pure, far right fascist style of Group Buy?
I like charcoal way more than pure gray, but all mockups are gray now and colors codes are pretty much selected.
Anyway there's always the option to have 3 colors. So idea would be: if base pure gray reaches 100 set sold, we add charcoal. (unless charcoal wins by a long distance)
Any chance to add this icon to the Nerdom set?
Lowercase shift in pro kit? Also, all the RGB mods are lowercase...
The math symbols (divide, multiply x) on the number pad are questionable to my eye.
Asterisk in mono-legend is too big (bulky?) to match its compatriots.
No dot in the mono-legend; is that because there's one in the number pad already?
The mistake is the use of "UPPER CASE" instead of "Normal case" for caps with words on them ;-)
Maybe this was covered somewhere, but is there a 6u pbt space bar (for the winkey 1800s)?
hmm...almost half the ergodox kit's legend doesn't fit mine...
hmm...almost half the ergodox kit's legend doesn't fit mine...
That's always gonna be the case, considering how variable ergodox layouts are. Ten keys match mine, but I have two 2.0x vertical shifts unaccounted for...
The hope is it'll cover most parts of most people's layouts, together with the other mod sets. Are you missing layer switch keys, by any chance?
yeap, layer keys for the 1.5x
for the 2x, 3 of them matches mine, backspace, enter, space. instead of del, i have alt.
i don't think matt would let us choose which legend we want from the ergodox kit and fill the rest with blanks :P
yeap, layer keys for the 1.5x
for the 2x, 3 of them matches mine, backspace, enter, space. instead of del, i have alt.
i don't think matt would let us choose which legend we want from the ergodox kit and fill the rest with blanks :P
Its definitely tricky trying to cover all configurations while keeping the cost to a minimum. I said over at DT that layers are the only important ones I'm missing. Instead of the 2x del I'll probably end up mapping mine to layer toggle. But I dont mind if the 2x del key doesn't match as that's arguably the most common layout.
I think it would be useful to get a big list of configurator printouts, then add all the modifiers to a database so future GB organisers can know what the most common setup will be.
I think the mono legend kit is missing a single period key and a back slash on a dark key.
yeap, layer keys for the 1.5x
for the 2x, 3 of them matches mine, backspace, enter, space. instead of del, i have alt.
i don't think matt would let us choose which legend we want from the ergodox kit and fill the rest with blanks :P
Its definitely tricky trying to cover all configurations while keeping the cost to a minimum. I said over at DT that layers are the only important ones I'm missing. Instead of the 2x del I'll probably end up mapping mine to layer toggle. But I dont mind if the 2x del key doesn't match as that's arguably the most common layout.
I think it would be useful to get a big list of configurator printouts, then add all the modifiers to a database so future GB organisers can know what the most common setup will be.
quite a good idea to put up our config in a thread.
but who's going to look at the data and mark out the common keys?
Regarding colors.
As much as I like the charcoal IF we are going to have multi colored legends the best option is PURE GRAY. The only legend color we could use with charcoal is black. So pure gray is more flexible and would let us have third legends in blue/green or red for example (for international layouts).
What do you think?
I don't think the nerd kit gels at all with the rest of the set, what with everything else looking so simple and bold.
Just m'two cents.
Regarding colors.
As much as I like the charcoal IF we are going to have multi colored legends the best option is PURE GRAY. The only legend color we could use with charcoal is black. So pure gray is more flexible and would let us have third legends in blue/green or red for example (for international layouts).
What do you think?
Okay then can you apply all Charcoal on the F1 to F12 set? Make a lighter Grey on the F1 to F12 set as well? Just want a choice for applying 2 different colour codes for this area.
I value every opinion, but you should try to propose some alternative. The purpose of the nerdom is to have some geeky keys, we can also have some general purpose icons (calculator, home, browser, etc...) that best match the base kit.I dunno, instead of the spindly Debian logo, I would suggest the Ubuntu, Arch (maybe), or Manjaro logo.
For the ergodox set, what about including more keys than required with different legends? Perhaps grab the most used ones as suggested before.
I value every opinion, but you should try to propose some alternative. The purpose of the nerdom is to have some geeky keys, we can also have some general purpose icons (calculator, home, browser, etc...) that best match the base kit.I dunno, instead of the spindly Debian logo, I would suggest the Ubuntu, Arch (maybe), or Manjaro logo.
I think they fit better.
Ooh, how about a Sun logo?
quite a good idea to put up our config in a thread.
but who's going to look at the data and mark out the common keys?
quite a good idea to put up our config in a thread.
but who's going to look at the data and mark out the common keys?
I'm happy to do that. Although the nerd in me would rather make a Rails app that allows collection of the data and display with charts. Frequency charts FTW!
this would be an option, but of course the kit will be more expensive.
Here's the catch. If you ergodox users can reach an agreement, let me know and I'll add whatever you decide, otherwise I'll just add blanks. But hurry up! I want it finalized by next week.
Here's the catch. If you ergodox users can reach an agreement, let me know and I'll add whatever you decide, otherwise I'll just add blanks. But hurry up! I want it finalized by next week.There’s no way that’s going to happen unless someone sets up a poll (I'd recommend it go in the 'keyboards' or 'ergonomics' subfora here) or similar ("what legend do you want for vertical 1.5x, vertical 2x, horizontal 1.5x"). Creating a sufficient poll and gathering the data would be a big pain, since the standard forum poll option doesn’t have enough flexibility to properly represent it, so it probably has to be off-site, or else manually tabulated.
Okay then can you apply all Charcoal on the F1 to F12 set? Make a lighter Grey on the F1 to F12 set as well? Just want a choice for applying 2 different colour codes for this area.
I think it would be useful to get a big list of configurator printouts, then add all the modifiers to a database so future GB organisers can know what the most common setup will be.
I think it would be useful to get a big list of configurator printouts, then add all the modifiers to a database so future GB organisers can know what the most common setup will be.
This is what I did, by hand earlier this week for the first 22 layouts I could find with Google. I had excluded the layer keys as I didn't see a good way to legend them, but Squarefrog and I were discussing over on DT that maybe just a LAYER key would work and give the most flexibility.
In any case, here's the sample data (PDF, excel available if you want). An automatic scraper would be better, and probably give more accurate results.
Do you guys think we can get a full poll organized before next week?
Otherwise, considering the set already does match reasonably well, I'd suggest we either drop the 1.5x /? key for a LAYER key, or add two LAYER keys. If all of us ergodoxers are gonna get blanks as well, then we can replace the SPACE with either an FN or a LAYER as well. We should be able to decide that pretty quickly.
EDIT: just wanted to add, I'd really like to see legend on these caps, even if they're only a partial match. Legended ergodox keys don't seem to crop up often.
i think we can drop the \| and tab key also since it's offered in the base alpha?
Do you guys think we can get a full poll organized before next week?+1 for this - i'd rather have wrong legends than no legends.
Otherwise, considering the set already does match reasonably well, I'd suggest we either drop the 1.5x /? key for a LAYER key, or add two LAYER keys. If all of us ergodoxers are gonna get blanks as well, then we can replace the SPACE with either an FN or a LAYER as well. We should be able to decide that pretty quickly.
EDIT: just wanted to add, I'd really like to see legend on these caps, even if they're only a partial match. Legended ergodox keys don't seem to crop up often.
Otherwise, considering the set already does match reasonably well, I'd suggest we either drop the 1.5x /? key for a LAYER key, or add two LAYER keys. If all of us ergodoxers are gonna get blanks as well, then we can replace the SPACE with either an FN or a LAYER as well. We should be able to decide that pretty quickly.
Just messing around...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/c5p0LlD.png)
Just messing around...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/c5p0LlD.png)
Any chance for English International legends?
**** YEAH CHARCOAL
Just messing around...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/c5p0LlD.png)
some updates.
And updated nerdom:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HcQqyHS.png)
some updates.No Sun key?
First international kit (of two). Please don't mind the legend size, I have to work on that, this is just to show the list of keys.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ffMZDXZ.png)
And updated nerdom:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HcQqyHS.png)
Just messing around...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/c5p0LlD.png)
I like charcoal, but I like those double legends more. Matt3o, you haven't posted pics of it here, have you?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mCv5kII.png)
I like charcoal, but I like those double legends more. Matt3o, you haven't posted pics of it here, have you?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mCv5kII.png)
The black & Blue legends like this looks cool.
I like charcoal, but I like those double legends more. Matt3o, you haven't posted pics of it here, have you?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mCv5kII.png)
The black & Blue legends like this looks cool.
Certainly. I hope the set might be done this way.
some updates.
First international kit (of two). Please don't mind the legend size, I have to work on that, this is just to show the list of keys.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ffMZDXZ.png)
And updated nerdom:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HcQqyHS.png)
I like charcoal, but I like those double legends more. Matt3o, you haven't posted pics of it here, have you?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mCv5kII.png)
The black & Blue legends like this looks cool.
Certainly. I hope the set might be done this way.
Can never be done that way unless it's injection moulded but this Group Buy is strictly print on PBT ONLY.
I would love an Aperture logo from portal in the nerd section. http://www.deviantart.com/art/Aperture-Science-Vector-Logo-76503583 (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Aperture-Science-Vector-Logo-76503583)Aperture Science, we do what we must because we can.
some updates.
And updated nerdom:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HcQqyHS.png)
Dear Matt3o can you include a refresh key to replace the F5 on the keyboard?
After all you included some useless extra keys for no reason that won't be used by the majority here yet you never looked at putting in a valid REFRESH icon for us (Internet Browser) "F5" users.
some updates.No Sun key?
First international kit (of two). Please don't mind the legend size, I have to work on that, this is just to show the list of keys.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ffMZDXZ.png)
And updated nerdom:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HcQqyHS.png)
Just messing around...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/c5p0LlD.png)
Matt,
if you do end up doing something like this you will still have the option to get the regular English only layout also correct?
I would love an Aperture logo from portal in the nerd section. http://www.deviantart.com/art/Aperture-Science-Vector-Logo-76503583 (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Aperture-Science-Vector-Logo-76503583)
some updates.
And updated nerdom:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HcQqyHS.png)
Dear Matt3o can you include a refresh key to replace the F5 on the keyboard?
After all you included some useless extra keys for no reason that won't be used by the majority here yet you never looked at putting in a valid REFRESH icon for us (Internet Browser) "F5" users.
which one would be "useless"?
I don't agree with the way Elrick said it, but I do agree with him in that perhaps we ought to come up with things that haven't been done before.
Saying that green lantern is for kids means to really don't know anything about the green lantern (or maybe you just watched that horrible movie they did some years ago that should not even be mentioned).
Like stoic-lemon said, suggest a key. A "refresh" key is not "nerdom" (probably you missed the point about that kit), I could place that in the multimedia kit eventually.
"Nerdom" considering I have no concept of what that is
"Nerdom" considering I have no concept of what that is
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+nerdom (https://www.google.com/search?q=define+nerdom)
That is actually a great idea for a cap if we can come up with a nice design: Alpha Nerd
That is actually a great idea for a cap if we can come up with a nice design: Alpha Nerd
Exactly, but I'm guessing Matt3o would have curly hair due to being Italian from the Florentine area
Exactly, but I'm guessing Matt3o would have curly hair due to being Italian from the Florentine area
this sounds totally new to me.
Exactly, but I'm guessing Matt3o would have curly hair due to being Italian from the Florentine area
this sounds totally new to me.
So do you resemble in appearance to Luca Zingaretti, or Raoul Bova or even Stefano Accorsi ? Please let us know.
From what I'm reading we can only GB one color and looks like the beige kit isn't going to be produced. If that is true can we drop it from the voting list and allow those voters to pick between the two options?
From what I'm reading we can only GB one color and looks like the beige kit isn't going to be produced. If that is true can we drop it from the voting list and allow those voters to pick between the two options?
From what I'm reading we can only GB one color and looks like the beige kit isn't going to be produced. If that is true can we drop it from the voting list and allow those voters to pick between the two options?
you can change your vote.
anyway, since pure gray and charcoal are basically head to head but on DT pure gray won by a short distance, we are going to have pure gray, that will also let us have legends in multiple colors (hardly possible with charcoal).
From what I'm reading we can only GB one color and looks like the beige kit isn't going to be produced. If that is true can we drop it from the voting list and allow those voters to pick between the two options?
you can change your vote.
anyway, since pure gray and charcoal are basically head to head but on DT pure gray won by a short distance, we are going to have pure gray, that will also let us have legends in multiple colors (hardly possible with charcoal).
So RGB legends for the respective modifiers?
You really deserves a praise for the way you split national layouts between the two international kits.
From what I'm reading we can only GB one color and looks like the beige kit isn't going to be produced. If that is true can we drop it from the voting list and allow those voters to pick between the two options?
you can change your vote.
anyway, since pure gray and charcoal are basically head to head but on DT pure gray won by a short distance, we are going to have pure gray, that will also let us have legends in multiple colors (hardly possible with charcoal).
So RGB legends for the respective modifiers?
technically possible, yes. It all depends on the demand of course. I'd say all kits will have a 25 MOQ. Base kit maybe 50.
If all voters buy it, then MOQ should be very easy to reach. When are you planning to begin the GB?
If all voters buy it, then MOQ should be very easy to reach. When are you planning to begin the GB?
I'd say next week.
I'm really new to this uh... addiction. What packages would I need to get for a KBC Poker 2?
My idea would be to set the first deadline after 3 weeks (so, first week of April), but we can make it a little longer if needed.
Great! My wallet can recover and all will be happy :D
I'm super stoked this is going ahead in grey. Happy with the short deadline too. Thanks for the hard work Matt3o, and being open to suggestion.
In other news, I've created the Ruby script that scrapes Ergodox layout information from Massdrop, just need to write some Rails controllers to display the data and this should help out future group buys deciding Ergodox key sets!
Thanks for the hard work Matt3o, and being open to suggestion.
In other news, I've created the Ruby script that scrapes Ergodox layout information from Massdrop, just need to write some Rails controllers to display the data and this should help out future group buys deciding Ergodox key sets!
Cool, I'm curious to see how close I got in my estimates. Do you need people to submit links, or did you find a way to scrape those as well?
Shorter deadline is good. So it doesn't drag on for many months. Will iso enter be in the international kits or will that be a separate key to order?
I assume this will be over before we get our Macross Sets delivered?
I assume this will be over before we get our Macross Sets delivered?
I'm afraid so.
unfortunately we don't have 6u in PBT
US international is really complex. I would have to make a kit just for that and I'm not sure about the interest around it.
this looks so cool. when do orders open?
You may consider to add three more caps with the following legends:
main,shift,altgr
s,S,ß
z,Z,Æ
,,<,ç
In the same set where you already have these ones:
5,%,€
m,M,µ
Looks really good Matt.
What about the "bit of color"?
I really wanted that blue enter key.
Looks really good Matt.
What about the "bit of color"?
I really wanted that blue enter key.
I'll request a quote tomorrow, I'll evaluate adding more keys based on pricing.
Please ergodoxians chime in. Is this what you want?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tkaQEHY.png)
please note that we can always change the legends BUT we cannot add or remove keys. So if in doubt better add a couple of keys.
Also would you like some keys in different color?
Please ergodoxians chime in. Is this what you want?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tkaQEHY.png)
please note that we can always change the legends BUT we cannot add or remove keys. So if in doubt better add a couple of keys.
Also would you like some keys in different color?
I hate to say it guys but with the damage from the toxic set I will have to duck out of this one. My price for toxic was north of $250 and that's before I find out if I got Bro Bots on that one.
My price for toxic was north of $250 and that's before I find out if I got Bro Bots on that one.
Please ergodoxians chime in. Is this what you want?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tkaQEHY.png)
please note that we can always change the legends BUT we cannot add or remove keys. So if in doubt better add a couple of keys.
Also would you like some keys in different color?
I know it does but I am designing my M-64 project around that GB including the 10x space bar.
This set should be a first PBT DSA with sublimated legends. Does somebody know about a similar one?
(http://www.vaq34.com/junk/gifs/Joffrey-slow-clap.gif)This set should be a first PBT DSA with sublimated legends. Does somebody know about a similar one?
A FULL PBT (spacebar included!!!) DSA set with sublimated legends --to my knowledge-- does not exist!
squarefrog, how is the ergodox data compiling coming to?
Please ergodoxians chime in. Is this what you want?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tkaQEHY.png)
please note that we can always change the legends BUT we cannot add or remove keys. So if in doubt better add a couple of keys.
Also would you like some keys in different color?
squarefrog, how is the ergodox data compiling coming to?
Pretty good so far. I'm not ready to make the site public just yet, but here are some screen shots showing the top keys:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/R6OnqTr.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/edMaTH8.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/06uFHJL.png)
from your data, i somehow think we don't need horizontal 1.5x Enter and Delete.
that could change to maybe vertical FN or Layer or something else?
from your data, i somehow think we don't need horizontal 1.5x Enter and Delete.
that could change to maybe vertical FN or Layer or something else?
Thats a fair point - I dont see the Enter/Del horizontals any more. We do however already have a vertical FN.
from your data, i somehow think we don't need horizontal 1.5x Enter and Delete.
that could change to maybe vertical FN or Layer or something else?
Thats a fair point - I dont see the Enter/Del horizontals any more. We do however already have a vertical FN.
hmm? i suppose it's not on this thread? in DT?
from your data, i somehow think we don't need horizontal 1.5x Enter and Delete.
that could change to maybe vertical FN or Layer or something else?
Thats a fair point - I dont see the Enter/Del horizontals any more. We do however already have a vertical FN.
from your data, i somehow think we don't need horizontal 1.5x Enter and Delete.
that could change to maybe vertical FN or Layer or something else?
Thats a fair point - I dont see the Enter/Del horizontals any more. We do however already have a vertical FN.
hmm? i suppose it's not on this thread? in DT?
?!
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55314.msg1253948#msg1253948
Thats a fair point - I dont see the NEED for Enter/Del horizontals any more. We do however already have a vertical FN.
Would like an additional 1x2 key so we can add another option (I'd like shift, sounds like Fn may be a candidate too).
I think additional colors would break the "swap anywhere" appeal of this set.
I'd rather have a 2x fn key than a del key, but that's just my layout. Perhaps adding one or two 2x keys wouldn't drive price up too much? I'd also leave space blank. As for colors a blue enter would be nice.
| Spacebar | 47 | 107% |
| Return/Enter | 34 | 77% |
| Backspace | 29 | 66% |
| Forward Delete | 13 | 30% |
| Layer Toggle 1 | 11 | 25% |
there's still time.
The blank version of the ergodox set could include less keys of course.
2u keys are expensive, anyway, I would try to ask a quote with as many keys as you want. We can later reduce them.
Ok, how about an extra 50% then: six 2x keys and eighteen 1.5x keys in total, and we'll debate later exactly what goes on them. That should be enough to cover down to 10% layout usage, I think, without getting into too-many-extras territory.Personally I'd not go down to 10%. We could essentially end up adding keys which 90% of the people will never use. I'd be more inclined to push the blank sets more.
The blank version of the ergodox set could include less keys of course.This is a good idea. The blank set can really cover the bare minimum for someone wanting blank modifiers.
Today ends the Skull Squadron GB and I have to tune up with SP regarding few details about it. I don't want to mix too many things, so I might wait tomorrow for the quote.Congrats on the successful GB. Smashed the target in the last week or so!
I figure if the price tag starts rising you know where the cuts will be aimed at? No one wants to pay for something they aren't using, that is how I understand the way Geekhack operates these days.Yes the cuts will be aimed at any key that's not on my layout ;) In all serious though, a higher price tag could put people off for sure.
i like the idea of half blank ergodox...that promotes flexibility and not punch the price too high up.
i like the idea of half blank ergodox...that promotes flexibility and not punch the price too high up.
Half blank, what do you mean by that?
I had the impression it was the key and not the dyesubbing that was the primary cost...
hmm...half blanks as in half the number of full ergodox kit keys in blanks.
instead of 4 2x and 12 1.5x blanks, there's 2 2x and 6 1.5x blanks.
hmm...half blanks as in half the number of full ergodox kit keys in blanks.
instead of 4 2x and 12 1.5x blanks, there's 2 2x and 6 1.5x blanks.
In addition to a full set of dyesubs? I'd only do that if it turns out that the dyesubbing step is the major cost. If it's the keys, I think we're better off labeling then while we have the chance.
not addition, i believe matt3o did mention that there is blank sets for every kit.
not sure if it's still valid at this juncture or not
What do you think of the following. The limit would be approx 23%Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1wLXsnH.png)
Both of which are covered by other sets.
Quick! Lock the file before we change our mind :-*
Both of which are covered by other sets.
Quick! Lock the file before we change our mind :-*
Seconded. It will never be perfect, but I think this is pretty good.
:thumb:
Seconded. It will never be perfect, but I think this is pretty good.Shh! Well it would be perfect if it included this hipster legend key that only appears on my typewriter from the 1800s in 1.3x size....
:thumb:
Perfect from whom perspective, after all ergodox is all about customization, isn't it? So, there is no a single combination of shapes, sizes, and legends that will fit anybody doxes.Yes but the proposed set covers the most common 70% of layouts. The alternative is that everyone gets blank and we all die a little inside.. :-X
Seconded. It will never be perfect, but I think this is pretty good.Shh! Well it would be perfect if it included this hipster legend key that only appears on my typewriter from the 1800s in 1.3x size....
:thumb:Perfect from whom perspective, after all ergodox is all about customization, isn't it? So, there is no a single combination of shapes, sizes, and legends that will fit anybody doxes.Yes but the proposed set covers the most common 70% of layouts. The alternative is that everyone gets blank and we all die a little inside.. :-X
whine just a little more and you all get blanks! without dinner!
whine just a little more and you all get blanks! without dinner!
whine just a little more and you all get blanks! without dinner!
But mooooooooooooooom!! ;D
But mooooooooooooooom!! ;D
But mooooooooooooooom!! ;D
Whiny cow? :)
What do you think of the following. The limit would be approx 23%Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1wLXsnH.png)
quote has been requested
quote has been requested
are there seriously more vertical tab users than horizontal tab users?
quote has been requested
Yay. How long does it usually take them to get back to you with a quote?
are there seriously more vertical tab users than horizontal tab users?
we have horizontal 1.5x Tab from the base kit.
What do you think of the following. The limit would be approx 23%Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1wLXsnH.png)
PBT Granite sounds very cool.
i'd pull my beige vote and vote for granite now :)
seriously, can't wait for this set to go live!
i'd pull my beige vote and vote for granite now :)
seriously, can't wait for this set to go live!
I thought about doing that.
Man I really wanted a beige PBT set. Maybe Matt can create a beige DCS PBT set if SP can get the spacebar
sorted out.
btw. Matt3o, just putting this out there, any chance of RGBY? i yellow enter would maybe look neat?
btw. Matt3o, just putting this out there, any chance of RGBY? i yellow enter would maybe look neat?
that's actually a nice idea.
Regarding PBT DCS, that will come after the summer I guess.
I was also considering the CMY mods
I was also considering the CMY mods
Nice. So would you offer both CMY & RGB as add on options, or would you only offer one or the other?
I've got pricing. It's not that bad actually.What about blanks?
I've got pricing. It's not that bad actually.
The base set at 50 tier goes for $60... that for full PBT set sublimated is not bad at all if you ask me. Also consider that I definitely aim for 100 tier, which brings the price down to $54.
The Pro kit goes for $34 at 25 tier, but I'd aim at 50 tier or $27.
Icons $24. International kits $30. Ergodox $33 at 25 tier.
They are all pretty decent prices considering we are definitely aiming at higher tiers.
As always the ISO kit is out of proportion. $15 at 25 tier. Gosh, for 3 keys, that's insane.
I've got pricing. It's not that bad actually.
The base set at 50 tier goes for $60... that for full PBT set sublimated is not bad at all if you ask me. Also consider that I definitely aim for 100 tier, which brings the price down to $54.
The Pro kit goes for $34 at 25 tier, but I'd aim at 50 tier or $27.
Icons $24. International kits $30. Ergodox $33 at 25 tier.
They are all pretty decent prices considering we are definitely aiming at higher tiers.
As always the ISO kit is out of proportion. $15 at 25 tier. Gosh, for 3 keys, that's insane.
When are you planning to publish the GB page? Are you going to use the SP GB system, aren't you? Is the issue with address data solved? How the S&H costs will be defined? How long is the GB going to be running? Payment methods accepted? It will be in the GB subforum, or in the SP one?
When are you planning to publish the GB page? Are you going to use the SP GB system, aren't you? Is the issue with address data solved? How the S&H costs will be defined? How long is the GB going to be running? Payment methods accepted? It will be in the GB subforum, or in the SP one?
Dude....take a chill pill :p :D
i would buy both RGB and CMY
I've got pricing. It's not that bad actually.
The base set at 50 tier goes for $60... that for full PBT set sublimated is not bad at all if you ask me. Also consider that I definitely aim for 100 tier, which brings the price down to $54.
The Pro kit goes for $34 at 25 tier, but I'd aim at 50 tier or $27.
Icons $24. International kits $30. Ergodox $33 at 25 tier.
They are all pretty decent prices considering we are definitely aiming at higher tiers.
As always the ISO kit is out of proportion. $15 at 25 tier. Gosh, for 3 keys, that's insane.
Name price tier (MOQ)
1u blanks........$5.......25
Base set........$59.......50
Base blank......$57.......25
Ergodox.........$33.......25
Ergodox blank....$9 (x2)..50
Homing...........$9.......25
Icon............$30.......25
Intl 1..........$30.......25
Intl 2..........$29.......25
Intl Mono.......$13.......25
ISO.............$15.......25
ISO Blank.......$10.......25
Mono............$18.......25
Multimedia......$11.......25
Nerdom..........$11.......25
Numpad..........$17.......25
Numpad blank....$12.......25
Pear............$19.......25
Pro.............$27.......50
Pro blank.......$22.......25
Pro Icon........$30.......25
RGB.............$21.......25
RGB Blank.......$17.......25
Spacebars (2)....$9.......50
When are you planning to publish the GB page? Are you going to use the SP GB system, aren't you? Is the issue with address data solved? How the S&H costs will be defined? How long is the GB going to be running? Payment methods accepted? It will be in the GB subforum, or in the SP one?
Have you thought about my previous comment to bake the ISO set into another set to lower the price?
One one hand, I dunno if it would be wise to put this completely in SP's hands before Macross is over and done with.
Not to mention the hit to visibility it would get in SP's vendor forum.
On the other hand, I dunno if the 'old way' is worth the hassle and the possible premium.
Dammit, I just want the keys!
Also, I don't wanna make it seem like I've jumped on the anti-SP bandwagon.
Just voicing my concerns, is all.
One one hand, I dunno if it would be wise to put this completely in SP's hands before Macross is over and done with.
Not to mention the hit to visibility it would get in SP's vendor forum.
On the other hand, I dunno if the 'old way' is worth the hassle and the possible premium.
Dammit, I just want the keys!
Also, I don't wanna make it seem like I've jumped on the anti-SP bandwagon.
Just voicing my concerns, is all.
^This^
2) handle this directly (in collaboration with 7bit, but with a more user friendly system done by me :P) and probably pay more. We are not set yet on this.
So it would be round 5.5 ? :PI really hope that's not how it goes down...
First of all. I'm not going to give this GB to SP until they fixed the last few things on the order system (eg: possibility to check the full order history)
Once again, please review carefully and report any problem. I'm linking the imgur album this time because the set has become gargantuan.
http://imgur.com/a/avBov
How do you want the windowed keys? All blanks?
Once again, please review carefully and report any problem. I'm linking the imgur album this time because the set has become gargantuan.
http://imgur.com/a/avBov
How do you want the windowed keys? All blanks?
I don't understand why a lot of people want the kits joined. It just means a lot of people end up paying for stuff they don't want.Well, as a 60% user, that's just par for the course, for me.
[)amien
Not a fan of the all-caps modifiers but the icon modifiers are awesome so I'll grab those - confused about the choice of pause icon tho! Going to pair this one with a SPRIT PCB and clears for extra awesomeness. Looking forward to this set!
I was really hoping you wouldn't split the mods and alphas.
There should always be a base kit, in my opinion.
Also, at first I thought was a mistake, but why are the RGB controls labeled as CTRL rather than CONTROL?
The final design will be finalized while the GB will be actually running.
The final design will be finalized while the GB will be actually running.
So 7bit style group buy?? 8)
The final design will be finalized while the GB will be actually running.
So 7bit style group buy?? 8)
by design I mean that I will prepare the templates that will be actually printed on the keys while the GB is running.
It will be a long process to have it perfect and I don't want to delay the GB start. SP needs the template at the end of the GB, so...
oh ok, makes sense. :D
you said final design i was thinking final kits :facepalm:
When I am old and dead, my heirs are going inherit a vast warehouse full of unused Print Screen and Scroll Lock keys.
I have no idea where that icon comes from and you are not the first to ask. According to some sources (http://xahlee.info/comp/unicode_computing_symbols.html) that would be the "official" pause icon.
Once again, please review carefully and report any problem. I'm linking the imgur album this time because the set has become gargantuan.
http://imgur.com/a/avBov (http://imgur.com/a/avBov)
How do you want the windowed keys? All blanks?
Maybe it is not customary, but I'd respectfully suggest that you should include a design fee per order, as an aknowledgement for your nice job...
Maybe it is not customary, but I'd respectfully suggest that you should include a design fee per order, as an aknowledgement for your nice job...
This is a whole new level of "shut up and take my money!".
Though I don't disagree with the sentiment, one thing I love about this buy is that it is so obviously a labor of love. Thank you, Matt3o! (FEEL THE LOVE!!!)
Once again, please review carefully and report any problem. I'm linking the imgur album this time because the set has become gargantuan.* Are these actual letter shapes final? There are some noticeable inconsistencies in stroke width; especially the mono legend and international mono legends seem to need quite a bit of work still.
* Are these actual letter shapes final? There are some noticeable inconsistencies in stroke width; especially the mono legend and international mono legends seem to need quite a bit of work still.
* What about a text label for 'enter' on the numpad? (Seems like the symbol numpad enter could go in the icon modifier kit, with a text enter in the text modifier kit; or just include both in the numpad kit?)
* I’m not sure if “print” as a text label really indicates the same thing as “print screen”; likewise “scrl” vs. “scroll lock”; instead of “pgup” and “pgdn” perhaps use 2 lines “page up” and “page down” (or even “page dn” if the full word “down” has trouble fitting.
Note, your template is not actually showing the shape of DSA keycaps, so it’s really hard to judge layout, spacing, etc. You may want to switch to a template that accurately reflects the available legendable area.
I'm excited
please don't check style, only number and type of keys and if it's icon or text. Again, I'm not wasting my time with final design until I get specs from SP regarding actual printable area (and possibly other specs regarding sublimation like min line width etc...)Aha. Gotcha. Let me know if they give any advice about their preferred formatting for submitted outlines – i.e. what kind of documents they want, and how those should be set up.
Once again, please review carefully and report any problem. I'm linking the imgur album this time because the set has become gargantuan.
http://imgur.com/a/avBov
How do you want the windowed keys? All blanks?
please don't check style, only number and type of keys and if it's icon or text. Again, I'm not wasting my time with final design until I get specs from SP regarding actual printable area (and possibly other specs regarding sublimation like min line width etc...)Aha. Gotcha. Let me know if they give any advice about their preferred formatting for submitted outlines – i.e. what kind of documents they want, and how those should be set up.
Also, let me know if you want any help with the actual designs. I’d be glad to throw a couple hours of fiddling at the project.
What tool are you using? Illustrator? Photoshop? Inkscape? (And which version?)
I’ll maybe also throw some time into making a sweet-looking & easy-to-use template, that can be used for similar projects in the future. In illustrator, e.g., it should be possible to set things up so that it’s possible to just click a button to add a key, with everything easily snapping to the usual-spaced grid, set up as layer styles so that there are a minimum of extra layers.
Are you still considering doing a CMY set?
Is there yellow in PBT colours? Can you do yellow Win keys?
Is there yellow in PBT colours? Can you do yellow Win keys?
yes (sorry missed your prev message). Where would I put it? A new kit?
Also should I add a RGB kit with symbols?Probably.
I would rather add a new kit with yellow super keys.
Also should I add a RGB kit with symbols? wow... lots of options.
I would rather add a new kit with yellow super keys.
Also should I add a RGB kit with symbols? wow... lots of options.
Fair enough, although I would hesitate to suggest adding another option having seen the enormous list of options already.
But if there is, can there also be a single orange Menu key? To make RGBYO?
Someone else complained about the readability of the key sizes, but the keys are ordered by size:Cool beans, man.
1u
1.25u
1.50u
1.75u
pretty simple.
The last one is a standard left shift
of course poker is covered
last few points to discuss:
- enter in the numpad, is it okay to have it in just "icon" version?
- RGB icon kit?
- ISO Enter. Do we keep both or only one (blank or text)?
- Addional blanks. Is that kit ok?!
last few points to discuss:
- enter in the numpad, is it okay to have it in just "icon" version?
- ISO Enter. Do we keep both or only one (blank or text)?
thanks for the feedback.
what about TEXT vs ICON iso enter?
I would rather add a new kit with yellow super keys.
Also should I add a RGB kit with symbols? wow... lots of options.
Fair enough, although I would hesitate to suggest adding another option having seen the enormous list of options already.
But if there is, can there also be a single orange Menu key? To make RGBYO?
ehehe, fair enough :)
Are the RGB sets missing a second 2.25u shift keys?
In the case of the mod sets if someone needs a second 2.25u shift key, she may buy the corresponding pro set that carries one 2.25u shift, plus more different keys that worth to buy the addtional set, but in the case of the RGB, I do not see a reason to buy two sets of the same just for the sake of one key... do you?
Are the RGB sets missing a second 2.25u shift keys?
In the case of the mod sets if someone needs a second 2.25u shift key, she may buy the corresponding pro set that carries one 2.25u shift, plus more different keys that worth to buy the addtional set, but in the case of the RGB, I do not see a reason to buy two sets of the same just for the sake of one key... do you?
what layout uses 2 2.25 shift?
Matt have you decided on colors? Specifically what SP codes?
Are the RGB sets missing a second 2.25u shift keys?
Matt have you decided on colors? Specifically what SP codes?
Grays are 90%:
GKK + GDE
Colors I don't know yet if I want a high or low saturated RGB kit.
I really like RBH + VAZ + BTC but they are pretty "intense"Are the RGB sets missing a second 2.25u shift keys?
we FC660M users are too much of a niche to add the 2.25u green shift. But if you find enough supporters...
I prefer the first set of colors.
The second one looks kinda pale, but you never know how this will look in reality.
But I am certain you will make the right choice Matt3o :)
| (http://i.imgur.com/2EyY59C.jpg) | (http://i.imgur.com/FKnqRVY.jpg) |
Had a hard time viewing the colour combos vertically, so I used some bbcode magic to have them side by side!
Colors:
I like the richness of the first(left) image.
Reduced width and height :)
How a color is framed also affects how we see it, but you're right.
9fa191 vs a2a598
I'd say they are pretty close considering the camera phone. specifically the color balance is very close.
I should have placed the green next to GKK, but it's clear that one combo is darker and more saturated than the other.
Yes, I prefer the darker more saturated ones.
Yes, I prefer the darker more saturated ones.
Maybe a prototype for sublimation on the saturated colors may add some to the final decision, or maybe SP has some samples of caps in those colors with sublimated legends just to check the contrast.
The YO kit seems un-needed imo.
And a wasd set wouldn't be at the top of my list either.
I get it that the "Pear" kit is for the Apple fanbois (myself included), and thank you for that, I LOVE it!
Who is the "Yo" kit for?
Looking really good Matt3o! Now that the base and modifiers are split I don't think it makes sense for the vertical tab key (18%) over a horizontal key (77%). Personally, I probably wouldn't use any of the other keys in the modifiers set, opting to go for the pro kit instead.
Colors:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2EyY59C.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FKnqRVY.jpg)
Looking really good Matt3o! Now that the base and modifiers are split I don't think it makes sense for the vertical tab key (18%) over a horizontal key (77%). Personally, I probably wouldn't use any of the other keys in the modifiers set, opting to go for the pro kit instead.
Maybe I should expand my layout averages to include the 1x1 thumb clusters and bottom row.
I get it that the "Pear" kit is for the Apple fanbois (myself included), and thank you for that, I LOVE it!
Looking really good Matt3o! Now that the base and modifiers are split I don't think it makes sense for the vertical tab key (18%) over a horizontal key (77%). Personally, I probably wouldn't use any of the other keys in the modifiers set, opting to go for the pro kit instead.
Maybe I should expand my layout averages to include the 1x1 thumb clusters and bottom row.
Ditto. I also would be in favour of a horizontal tab as part of the Ergodox set now that the other mods are separate. Curious what square frog's results would show.
you guys aren't going to take a base mod kits anyway?!
I cannot think in which cases they will be used matching with alphas, dont you think?
I've added a "lemon kit" with all yellow and orange keys in all sizes and variants (18 keys total), but I don't know if it will reach the MOQ
I get it that the "Pear" kit is for the Apple fanbois (myself included), and thank you for that, I LOVE it!
Who is the "Yo" kit for?
Rowdy aka Mr. Yellow ;)
Looking good. Hey, I think the Nerdom keys would be more useful if they were all dark gray to go with mods. I cannot think in which cases they will be used matching with alphas, dont you think?
Looking good. Hey, I think the Nerdom keys would be more useful if they were all dark gray to go with mods. I cannot think in which cases they will be used matching with alphas, dont you think?
I just read this, and I agree.
Looking good. Hey, I think the Nerdom keys would be more useful if they were all dark gray to go with mods. I cannot think in which cases they will be used matching with alphas, dont you think?
I just read this, and I agree.
I hope that Matt moves to reconsider the base colors for Nerdom, because as I wrote, the white colored would not match the mods. Thus, unless someone wants to replace an alpha key, or a fuction key there will be no place for any Nerdom's key.
Looking good. Hey, I think the Nerdom keys would be more useful if they were all dark gray to go with mods. I cannot think in which cases they will be used matching with alphas, dont you think?
I just read this, and I agree.
I hope that Matt moves to reconsider the base colors for Nerdom, because as I wrote, the white colored would not match the mods. Thus, unless someone wants to replace an alpha key, or a fuction key there will be no place for any Nerdom's key.
Looking good. Hey, I think the Nerdom keys would be more useful if they were all dark gray to go with mods. I cannot think in which cases they will be used matching with alphas, dont you think?
I just read this, and I agree.
I hope that Matt moves to reconsider the base colors for Nerdom, because as I wrote, the white colored would not match the mods. Thus, unless someone wants to replace an alpha key, or a fuction key there will be no place for any Nerdom's key.
I agree. The most obvious place I would use those caps is for my ESC.
If they were all the same color as the mods I would use more of them more often.
whats the deal with homing dashes for f and j? are they available? compared to homing dots and scoops/deepdish
:( just noticed that there are mac keys and linux keys, but no win keys :(
Revisited nerdomShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Gwd8wiD.png)
@tbc, thanks for your feedback
Revisited nerdomShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Gwd8wiD.png)
@tbc, thanks for your feedback
Revisited nerdomShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Gwd8wiD.png)
@tbc, thanks for your feedback
Could the Nerv key be red as well?
when is this going to start! :))
Later I'll post all the revised kits, Monday I'll send the final quote request and we could start.Awesome, I can't wait to get this party going.
Ditto. I also would be in favour of a horizontal tab as part of the Ergodox set now that the other mods are separate. Curious what square frog's results would show.Have a look: http://dox.codeslingers.co.uk/
another test for the nerdomShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ekVhemx.png)
Could we get the Ergodoxian 2x vertical "Enter" keycap in either the text mods set or the numpad set, please?
- Ron | samwisekoi
yes it would be round $20 now I guess.
And, if you split 1u and 1.25u into 2 sets? What I like about the revisited Nerdom is DT, GH, and the lil robot are all in dark gray, but I really do not see any use for the 1.25u.
Wait until you see what jdeblese has achieved with the data!
thanks jdeblese, please note that (as requested) I replaced the vert-tab with hor-tab.
Later today I'll post all the kits in their final version. We will then have approx 24h to make further small modifications.
You mean the key sizes, right? And is that regardless of printing orientation?
Everyone should buy at least the common kit AND one of the base mods to start with. I split the text and icon kits not because you can buy neither, but because you can choose one of them.
So I would agree on vertical TAB on the ergodoxian.
thanks jdeblese, please note that (as requested) I replaced the vert-tab with hor-tab.
That was requested for ergodoxers who don't want to buy the base mod set. I'm buying the base mods anyway, so I'd rather add in keys that are otherwise missing.
How many ergodox users are there who won't buy the base mod set?Later today I'll post all the kits in their final version. We will then have approx 24h to make further small modifications.
You mean the key sizes, right? And is that regardless of printing orientation?
I wouldn't change the sizes for the ergodoxian any more, as I think we can get good results with what we have. It's just the legend on those keys that we still need to look at.
EDIT: To clarify, if most ergodoxers will also buy the base mods set, then I'd say make the changes as above, but if most won't buy it then I'd suggest keeping it as it is.
are you sure about removing the 2x BACKSPACE?
....there's a lot of dupes in ergodox kit now :confused:
3 shifts, 2 enters, 2 deletes, 3 FNs...
I don't know if we should put all different keys (and you cover the missings with blanks) or if we should try to cover the highest % of layouts (like it is now as I understand)
would adding 2 1.5u change anything?
True...
I would find it weird to have one mod legended and one blank. It gives me an idea, however: what if we take a very common legend, and exclude it completely so that *all* uses of that key are blank? Say, for instance, no FN keys, use blanks instead, and use the three keys freed up for other things?
so this would be the ergodoxShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Z8Hw0sL.png)
sorry guys but we already have one 1.5u FN in the pro kit, I know it's not vertical, but still...
I'm a little tired now, I'll review them once again tomorrow. I'm still not sure about a couple of things. I added a Lost+Found set where I put all the keys I was suggested and I didn't know where to place. Also the Ergodox is still not defined, but I hope we all agree on the number of keys at least. The nerdom maybe has become too big. I might remove some keys, still waiting for your feedback on the colors (do we need the light gray ones?).
The full set is once again in a imgur album.
http://imgur.com/a/DqwYR (http://imgur.com/a/DqwYR)
Thanks.
I'm a little tired now, I'll review them once again tomorrow. I'm still not sure about a couple of things. I added a Lost+Found set where I put all the keys I was suggested and I didn't know where to place. Also the Ergodox is still not defined, but I hope we all agree on the number of keys at least. The nerdom maybe has become too big. I might remove some keys, still waiting for your feedback on the colors (do we need the light gray ones?).
The full set is once again in a imgur album.
http://imgur.com/a/DqwYR (http://imgur.com/a/DqwYR)
Thanks.
I'm a little tired now, I'll review them once again tomorrow. I'm still not sure about a couple of things. I added a Lost+Found set where I put all the keys I was suggested and I didn't know where to place. Also the Ergodox is still not defined, but I hope we all agree on the number of keys at least. The nerdom maybe has become too big. I might remove some keys, still waiting for your feedback on the colors (do we need the light gray ones?).
The full set is once again in a imgur album.
http://imgur.com/a/DqwYR (http://imgur.com/a/DqwYR)
Thanks.
Being now 1 AM Frankfurt time you should be almost in bed.
Regarding Nerdom, It would be important for interested parties to express their opinion. I am interested only in a few keys as souvenirs, in special GH, DT, the sad mac, and the robot. But if the set cost is high, I may not buy it. I think that would the case of most. Thus, it would be better to keep its cost low.
Oh boy, opposite preferences :)
Justnits, you voiced your concern earlier. Are there keys you feel are either excessive or missing?
Is there really demand for a key that has “space” printed on it, for the ergodox kit? I’d guess most folks would be happy with a blank key for a spacebar.^+1
another test for the nerdomShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ekVhemx.png)
PLEASE add in vertical 2x backspace! :p
i totally missed how silly it is to have space as a legend
while you're at it, put in 2x control ;)
what about this?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PMw9qT6.png)
what about this?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PMw9qT6.png)
Personally I think the there should be Winkeys with Tux, FreeBSD logo and Xorg logo, to make them more relevant for people that do not use Windows.
what about this?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PMw9qT6.png)
Personally I think the there should be Winkeys with Tux, FreeBSD logo and Xorg logo, to make them more relevant for people that do not use Windows.
then why not put windows keys there as well?
what about this?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PMw9qT6.png)
Personally I think the there should be Winkeys with Tux, FreeBSD logo and Xorg logo, to make them more relevant for people that do not use Windows.
then why not put windows keys there as well?
windows should be in the mod kit and/or pro kit. 2 x 1.25u and 2 x 1u :p
and probably i'll get bashed for this, Win8 logo pls ;D ;D
you have "windows keys" aplenty in the mod kits (the diamond key). Also you can use batman/superman or rebels/empire keys from the nerdom (and I'll be adding back the Amiga A couple). I see no point at adding windows branding when you have so many cool alternatives.
I'll however review the kit, I understand that there are not many my-generation-nerds around and I don't want to force people playing "throw the keycap to the cat" with a bunch of unused keys.
regarding blank spacebar. Having 1 blank key in a legended one doesn't make the kit cheaper. So I'm not really sure if I want waste one blank when you have the half ergodox kit. BUT again, the kit is yours. I'll do whatever you ergodoxers ask me to do with it.
matteo,
i was under the impression the space key should get REPLACED by another legend and people will get a blank space from the blankergo set. that's the way i would prefer it.
Revised Nerdom
cats one has been requested by wife, so you can't really say anything about it
Revised NerdomShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/VSBgyXg.png)
cats one has been requested by wife, so you can't really say anything about it
btw..didn't know cats are under nerds category as well :p
So, no love for the Phantom Mask I suggested?
on the other hand, i was under the impression that we want to cover most of the commonly used key in the kit...and spacebar is pretty much used by everyone :)
unless u r saying every ergodoxians should get main kit and the half blanks for spacebar... :confused:
So, no love for the Phantom Mask I suggested?
do you have SVG format somewhere?
on the other hand, i was under the impression that we want to cover most of the commonly used key in the kit...and spacebar is pretty much used by everyone :)
unless u r saying every ergodoxians should get main kit and the half blanks for spacebar... :confused:
if we didn't have the space legend, what would we replace it with? We already cover all the most common doubles, right down to 17% coverage. http://dox.codeslingers.co.uk/
I like the space having a legend. But at this point i'm easy with whatever gets the gb started soonest :)
So, no love for the Phantom Mask I suggested?
do you have SVG format somewhere?
No sorry, but Ivan used it in his PBT dyesub GB. I am sure he will give it to you, if you ask him for it :)
So, no love for the Phantom Mask I suggested?
do you have SVG format somewhere?
No sorry, but Ivan used it in his PBT dyesub GB. I am sure he will give it to you, if you ask him for it :)
can it be used freely?
what about this?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PMw9qT6.png)
Personally I think the there should be Winkeys with Tux, FreeBSD logo and Xorg logo, to make them more relevant for people that do not use Windows.
then why not put windows keys there as well?
windows should be in the mod kit and/or pro kit. 2 x 1.25u and 2 x 1u :p
and probably i'll get bashed for this, Win8 logo pls ;D ;D
So, no love for the Phantom Mask I suggested?
do you have SVG format somewhere?
No sorry, but Ivan used it in his PBT dyesub GB. I am sure he will give it to you, if you ask him for it :)
can it be used freely?
Honestly I don't know, but since it's a community thing I would think so.
It can't be more illegal than using Batman, Superman and Star Wars icons ;)
what about this?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PMw9qT6.png)
Personally I think the there should be Winkeys with Tux, FreeBSD logo and Xorg logo, to make them more relevant for people that do not use Windows.
then why not put windows keys there as well?
windows should be in the mod kit and/or pro kit. 2 x 1.25u and 2 x 1u :p
and probably i'll get bashed for this, Win8 logo pls ;D ;D
If Matt did decide to use Win keys it should be the old school 1990's logo (or at least have the option). It would go better with this classic looking design.
So, no love for the Phantom Mask I suggested?
do you have SVG format somewhere?
No sorry, but Ivan used it in his PBT dyesub GB. I am sure he will give it to you, if you ask him for it :)
can it be used freely?
Honestly I don't know, but since it's a community thing I would think so.
It can't be more illegal than using Batman, Superman and Star Wars icons ;)
I can sleep at night by using Lucasfilm (now Disney) logos, but I would never use a community's logo without permission.
what about this?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PMw9qT6.png)
Personally I think the there should be Winkeys with Tux, FreeBSD logo and Xorg logo, to make them more relevant for people that do not use Windows.
then why not put windows keys there as well?
Well said! Do we actually know who made the logo so we can ask him for permission?
I was not aware that there was not a Mod4/Super whatever you want to call it key without the Windows logo. I was only speaking about the Nerdom kit and how it would be nice to have keys that usually have the Windows logo to have logos for other operating systems. To me that seems more relevant than a Batman logo.
i think all OSes should be represented....
it would be best if it WASN'T added to nerdom, but rather the icon mod set.
although, nerdom seems to be not getting a lot of love for some reason...
Well said! Do we actually know who made the logo so we can ask him for permission?
really no idea...I was not aware that there was not a Mod4/Super whatever you want to call it key without the Windows logo. I was only speaking about the Nerdom kit and how it would be nice to have keys that usually have the Windows logo to have logos for other operating systems. To me that seems more relevant than a Batman logo.
Adding a new operating system would mean adding 4 new keys (2 1u, 2 1.25u), that is of course overkill. The idea of nerdom is to have some additional/original/unique keys. A windows key hardly falls in this category.
Well said! Do we actually know who made the logo so we can ask him for permission?
really no idea...I was not aware that there was not a Mod4/Super whatever you want to call it key without the Windows logo. I was only speaking about the Nerdom kit and how it would be nice to have keys that usually have the Windows logo to have logos for other operating systems. To me that seems more relevant than a Batman logo.
Adding a new operating system would mean adding 4 new keys (2 1u, 2 1.25u), that is of course overkill. The idea of nerdom is to have some additional/original/unique keys. A windows key hardly falls in this category.
Aren't the keys on the right in nerdom set Windows key sized? I think you are misunderstanding me. I would just like Windows-key sized keys in Nerdom set to have OS logos instead of Batman etc. Adding 4 new keys is unecessary since the two Mod4/Super keys are the same size.
Well said! Do we actually know who made the logo so we can ask him for permission?
really no idea...I was not aware that there was not a Mod4/Super whatever you want to call it key without the Windows logo. I was only speaking about the Nerdom kit and how it would be nice to have keys that usually have the Windows logo to have logos for other operating systems. To me that seems more relevant than a Batman logo.
Adding a new operating system would mean adding 4 new keys (2 1u, 2 1.25u), that is of course overkill. The idea of nerdom is to have some additional/original/unique keys. A windows key hardly falls in this category.
Aren't the keys on the right in nerdom set Windows key sized? I think you are misunderstanding me. I would just like Windows-key sized keys in Nerdom set to have OS logos instead of Batman etc. Adding 4 new keys is unecessary since the two Mod4/Super keys are the same size.
1.5u mods keyboards have 1u super keys, so to really cover an OS you need 4 keys. Anyway it's impossible to add all operating systems, that's why I settled with some fictional symbols.
Then may I suggest as part of the Nerdom set you have a wide key with the Xorg logo? This will cover pretty much all Linux and BSD desktop users.
Then may I suggest as part of the Nerdom set you have a wide key with the Xorg logo? This will cover pretty much all Linux and BSD desktop users.
I did that in a test and people argued that the kit was becoming too big/expensive and that I should have also added wayland and blah blah blah... believe me, it's impossible to make everyone happy...
Personally I would like to see all the non computer related stuff in the nerdom set go in favor of more computer stuff.
This is how the set will be submitted (there's still a little margin on the Lost+Found)
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Now to the GB!
This is how the set will be submitted (there's still a little margin on the Lost+Found)
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Now to the GB!
You mentioned earlier that you want to wait how Macross will be handled by SP to determine whether you will use their system again.
Does this mean the new GB won't start until we get our Macross sets or will you simply not post a deadline?
i totally missed how silly it is to have space as a legend
Vertical 2x backspace is included in in the modifiers set, so theres little point adding it here. I dont use forward del, so I'm just going to use del as my backspace.
That blue enter is awesome!
Is there really demand for a key that has “space” printed on it, for the ergodox kit?
Personally I would like to see all the non computer related stuff in the nerdom set go in favor of more computer stuff.
please be more specific (ie: suggest symbols) and I will evaluate your suggestions!
Bit of a newb question. I'm looking to get this set for an Ergodox, but I don't yet own one as of yet and this will be my first keycap set for it.
I'm guessing that I need the Common set and the Ergodoxian set. Anything else I'm missing?
Bit of a newb question. I'm looking to get this set for an Ergodox, but I don't yet own one as of yet and this will be my first keycap set for it.
I'm guessing that I need the Common set and the Ergodoxian set. Anything else I'm missing?
and no thanks to matt, now i'm considering nerdom kit and the lost & found kit also :'(
I'd suggest leaving the space key for the ergodox kit blank as mentioned before. A vertical backspace added would be nice, but I suppose there's always the horizontal one in the modifier set.
YO is back - YAY! Albeit as part of lost+found.
If it's not too late, any chance of a 1.25x orange MENU key?
Please?
YO is back - YAY! Albeit as part of lost+found.
If it's not too late, any chance of a 1.25x orange MENU key?
Please?
oh gosh you are right! my bad! trying to fix that!
YO is back - YAY! Albeit as part of lost+found.
If it's not too late, any chance of a 1.25x orange MENU key?
Please?
oh gosh you are right! my bad! trying to fix that!
Hey Matt, good morning... When are you planning to open the GB?
Hey Matt3o,
can you add 2 light grey (color of the alphas) keys that say something generic like "Fn" to the lost & found?
I could use them as the 2 ISO alphas in case I can't afford the language kit. This is getting so big that I am afraid I can't afford everything I want ;)
I already fell for Macross although and spent a fortune on the Toxic Set - I am basically broke ;)
I suggest to make in dark gray the following symbols of the mono legend: %^&*.
The color contrast will allow easy identification of the corresponding numbers, and in 60% keyboards it will look similar to the function row as well.
I suggest to make in dark gray the following symbols of the mono legend: %^&*.
The color contrast will allow easy identification of the corresponding numbers, and in 60% keyboards it will look similar to the function row as well.
I object: these should be all light to blend in with the non-striped alpha area.
updated :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QR813vn.png)
No, please.
I suggest to make in dark gray the following symbols of the mono legend: %^&*.
The color contrast will allow easy identification of the corresponding numbers, and in 60% keyboards it will look similar to the function row as well.
No, please.
I suggest to make in dark gray the following symbols of the mono legend: %^&*.
The color contrast will allow easy identification of the corresponding numbers, and in 60% keyboards it will look similar to the function row as well.
All right then.
SP raised some concerns about copyrighted material in the nerdom kit. I'll probably have to replace some keys.
SP raised some concerns about copyrighted material in the nerdom kit. I'll probably have to replace some keys.
SP raised some concerns about copyrighted material in the nerdom kit. I'll probably have to replace some keys.
Make sure they know, that was not a batman logo, it was the logo we use to summon mkawa when we need to bog the enemy down in details :D :p
This is how the set will be submitted (there's still a little margin on the Lost+Found)
PBT Granite (http://i.imgur.com/xPfDejc.jpg)
Blanks (http://i.imgur.com/boBN5nr.png)
It has been an incredibly difficult set to design. I want to thank all who helped in the process, in random order: jdeblese, Vierax, Muirium, 7bit, Ichigo87, Broadmonkey, Kurk, webwit, riotonthebay, SpAmRaY, ideus, LechnerDE, CommonCurt, Elrick, justnits, stoic-lemon, squarefrog, DamienG, jacobolus and ALL who participated into the IC! (sorry if I missed someone)
Now to the GB!
SP raised some concerns about copyrighted material in the nerdom kit. I'll probably have to replace some keys.
Make sure they know, that was not a batman logo, it was the logo we use to summon mkawa when we need to bog the enemy down in details :D :p
Marvel wil not believe you though :))
common txt mod icon mod numpad text pro Icon pro
$39.00 ???? ???? $27.00 $27.00 $27.00
RGB txt RGB icon RGB blank WASD intl 1 intl 2
$17.00 $17.00 $13.00 $9.00 $28.00 $29.00
ISO enter ISO blank Mono Mono intl homing Ergodox
$6.00 $2.00 $17.00 $13.00 $9.00 $27.00
Multimedia Nerdom Apple Full blank Num blank half-ergo
$7.00 $14.00 $16.00 $51.00 $10.00 $9.00
Add blanks Windowed 7u space 625 space Lost+found
$13.00 $12.00 $4.00 $4.00 $17.00
I got the quote, but I asked for few changes to reduce price.
The blue enter in the mod kits turned out to be too expensive and I prefer to remove it and place it in a kit of its own.
Zoidberg has to go, sorry. I'll replace it with something else. The latest version of the nerdom doesn't have batman/superman, so no problem there. Starwars seem not to be a problem but I guess Melissa is simply not a fan. I'll double check and eventually replace them with something else.
The full touch windowed key is available only with lens on top.
Apart from that everything looks very nice.Code: [Select]common txt mod icon mod numpad text pro Icon pro
$39.00 ???? ???? $27.00 $27.00 $27.00
RGB txt RGB icon RGB blank WASD intl 1 intl 2
$17.00 $17.00 $13.00 $9.00 $28.00 $29.00
ISO enter ISO blank Mono Mono intl homing Ergodox
$6.00 $2.00 $17.00 $13.00 $9.00 $27.00
Multimedia Nerdom Apple Full blank Num blank half-ergo
$7.00 $14.00 $16.00 $51.00 $10.00 $9.00
Add blanks Windowed 7u space 625 space Lost+found
$13.00 $12.00 $4.00 $4.00 $17.00
kit of its own with 2 keys text/icon. It will go around $7-9 I guess.
Prices looking really good!
Do you think this might be as succesful as DSA Retro? I think it's realistic that the base sets breaks 150 orders :)
is there any rough estimation how much the text mod and icon mod kit will be without the blue enter?
Please pick one 1u dark gray key from the numpad to remove!
Please pick one 1u dark gray key from the numpad to remove!
Matt have you decided that you are not going to add a text Enter on the Numpad?
Please pick one 1u dark gray key from the numpad to remove!
Please pick one 1u dark gray key from the numpad to remove!
Num lock with icon.
It is the only key that is duplicated. Plus the base set has words, not icons, so it would upset fewer people to remove it.
btw matt, wat's with the Copy Paste Undo Redo keys in Lost+Found?
there's no "default" style. we split alpha from mods.
What if you just add 'enter' and 'num lock' to the regular mods kits (icon & text), and take them out of the numpad kit? Or does that piss of people who *only* want the numpad caps?
no, I can't add them to the base mods because that would imply adding an additional setup cost to the kit.I don’t follow. Adding 2 extra keys to the base mods, for keys which are likely to be useful for at least half of people (anyone whose keyboard has a numpad), doesn’t seem like a big deal. The price of the numpad kit will be correspondingly reduced.
I still don’t understand. Adding 1 extra key doubles the setup cost for the kit?
Why not just remove the '5' that isn't scooped. :D
Why not just remove the '5' that isn't scooped. :D
it's not dark gray
Matt,
has anyone objected to removing the = key?
Matt,
has anyone objected to removing the = key?
don't think so.
hmm...
=
let's be more specific.
say that I want to do a numpad. say that the default config SP uses for the numpad has 20 keys. If we use exactly those 20 keys the setup cost is just one. If we use 21 keys we pay 1 setup for the default numpad + 1 setup for the additional key, even if that key is one 1u.
hope it is clear now.
CMY +1
CMY +1
there's no M in PBT and besides... it's too late :)
The quote for the numpad was wrong. I can put the 1u back to the Numpad. Sorry about the mess.
Everything's ready. We can start the GB.
The quote for the numpad was wrong. I can put the 1u back to the Numpad. Sorry about the mess.
Everything's ready. We can start the GB.
dunno if i'm excited for this gb to start or excited to know how much i'm gonna spend on this :-\
dunno if i'm excited for this gb to start or depressed to know how much i'm gonna spend on this :-\
dunno if i'm excited for this gb to start or excited to know how much i'm gonna spend on this :-\
Group buys are interesting things, because the paying of the money is temporally displaced from the getting of the keys. It's not so much a transaction as three separate events: the excitement of planning, the draining of wallets, and the thrill of receiving at the end.
In short, I am excited, anxious, and excited, in that order. :grin:
SP reps and Matt, please do not forget to check in advance if the loose stems issue reported somewhere else here at GH, has been sorted out of the molds that will be used to produce this set.
SP reps and Matt, please do not forget to check in advance if the loose stems issue reported somewhere else here at GH, has been sorted out of the molds that will be used to produce this set.
don't know what you are talking about. the stabilizer stems have always been loose, but it's easily fixable.
SP reps and Matt, please do not forget to check in advance if the loose stems issue reported somewhere else here at GH, has been sorted out of the molds that will be used to produce this set.
don't know what you are talking about. the stabilizer stems have always been loose, but it's easily fixable.
That is the issue. And how should they be fixed?
SP reps and Matt, please do not forget to check in advance if the loose stems issue reported somewhere else here at GH, has been sorted out of the molds that will be used to produce this set.
don't know what you are talking about. the stabilizer stems have always been loose, but it's easily fixable.
That is the issue. And how should they be fixed?
the best is to put some plumber's tape (teflon) on the stems, but also a small piece of the plastic wrapping you use for food is fine, or even a piece of plastic bag.
SP reps and Matt, please do not forget to check in advance if the loose stems issue reported somewhere else here at GH, has been sorted out of the molds that will be used to produce this set.
don't know what you are talking about. the stabilizer stems have always been loose, but it's easily fixable.
That is the issue. And how should they be fixed?
the best is to put some plumber's tape (teflon) on the stems, but also a small piece of the plastic wrapping you use for food is fine, or even a piece of plastic bag.
OK, I will keep my groceries' bags ready.
I was just wondering if the inserts that are producing the moulded cavities for those stems could be grinded, or sanded, or something to reduce the looseness of the final cavity in the keycap. That may get all SP customers happier. After all, that is the entire point of continuos improvement in manufacturing, isn't it?
DSA caps are 'tight' on stems by design (there was a batch that were too thick but that tooling was fixed a while ago), I think they are only 'loose' on costar stabilizers inserts. So no reason to change anything.
I bought the toxic set + Bro's, Now I have to buy my poker 2 (To have something to even put these keysets on) And this keycap set.
R.I.P Air tree's wallet
People don't think I'll ever get a keyboard so I need to prove them wrong so I can get everybody off my back :PI bought the toxic set + Bro's, Now I have to buy my poker 2 (To have something to even put these keysets on) And this keycap set.
R.I.P Air tree's wallet
Well the key caps won't be in for a while so you don't need a keyboard yet :P :D
People don't think I'll ever get a keyboard so I need to prove them wrong so I can get everybody off my back :PI bought the toxic set + Bro's, Now I have to buy my poker 2 (To have something to even put these keysets on) And this keycap set.
R.I.P Air tree's wallet
Well the key caps won't be in for a while so you don't need a keyboard yet :P :D
Qtan just got his stock back, so I should be ordering from him soon in any case.People don't think I'll ever get a keyboard so I need to prove them wrong so I can get everybody off my back :PI bought the toxic set + Bro's, Now I have to buy my poker 2 (To have something to even put these keysets on) And this keycap set.
R.I.P Air tree's wallet
Well the key caps won't be in for a while so you don't need a keyboard yet :P :D
Very true. Why don't you get a new one with reds from MK.com? They have them with Blue or Green leds.
Qtan just got his stock back, so I should be ordering from him soon in any case.People don't think I'll ever get a keyboard so I need to prove them wrong so I can get everybody off my back :PI bought the toxic set + Bro's, Now I have to buy my poker 2 (To have something to even put these keysets on) And this keycap set.
R.I.P Air tree's wallet
Well the key caps won't be in for a while so you don't need a keyboard yet :P :D
Very true. Why don't you get a new one with reds from MK.com? They have them with Blue or Green leds.
And I just wanted the stock non led version in any case.
Finally was it decided which color combinations will be used?
Finally was it decided which color combinations will be used?
the darker more saturated one.
Well I wasn't terribly clear - I didn't realise the two color options were over on Deskthority (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/ic-discussion-on-beige-set-t6061-960.html#p152389). So this will be RBH, GKK, GDE, BCT, VAZ. Pretty happy as GDE is my favourite grey.Finally was it decided which color combinations will be used?
the darker more saturated one.
I thought pure gray won the poll? Or am I confused?
{EDIT} Ah I see. I thought Pure Gray & Granite were the same thing. My mistake.
Well I wasn't terribly clear - I didn't realise the two color options were over on Deskthority (http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/ic-discussion-on-beige-set-t6061-960.html#p152389). So this will be RBH, GKK, GDE, BCT, VAZ. Pretty happy as GDE is my favourite grey.Finally was it decided which color combinations will be used?
the darker more saturated one.
I thought pure gray won the poll? Or am I confused?
{EDIT} Ah I see. I thought Pure Gray & Granite were the same thing. My mistake.
Zoidberg has to go, sorry. I'll replace it with something else.
sorry guys I wasn't clear.
The color will be granite. pure light gray.
I thought you were referring to the other colors (RGB). We had two options there, lighter less saturated, darker more saturated. I got the latter.
I'm working on it restlessly :) GB should start this Monday. I'll post some keyboard config soon.
text/icon modifiers $24 at 100 tier.
Not me. I almost always prefer text.
I am still sad trademarks kill Dr. Zoidberg :(
I am still sad trademarks kill Dr. Zoidberg :(
I already mentioned this, but KeyPop sells a red Zoidberg cap that looks like it is DCS. If it is then I don't see why SP wouldn't let us use it.
The only one I have an issue with would be the Futurama, since this is still an active TV show
I started working on the final templates. This is the real deal, legend text, size and position are actually the way they will be printed, so if you spot any error or have suggestions please report asap. I'll also post the SVG if you wanna play with it.
Maybe font size for the mods could be slightly smaller.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Mtr8n8F.png)
PS: I really don't like the @ sign
I started working on the final templates. This is the real deal, legend text, size and position are actually the way they will be printed, so if you spot any error or have suggestions please report asap. I'll also post the SVG if you wanna play with it.
Maybe font size for the mods could be slightly smaller.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Mtr8n8F.png)
PS: I really don't like the @ sign
I started working on the final templates. This is the real deal, legend text, size and position are actually the way they will be printed, so if you spot any error or have suggestions please report asap. I'll also post the SVG if you wanna play with it.
Maybe font size for the mods could be slightly smaller.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Mtr8n8F.png)
PS: I really don't like the @ sign
Looks great. I see nothing wrong with text size of the mods.
Matt: if you send me a vector file, I’m happy to fix the @ sign, etc. I don’t have unlimited time to throw at it, but I could put in an hour or something.
Here’s the image I posted before, near the top of this thread:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wFV5wzP.png)
By the way, did SP say anything about how far from the edge letters need to stay, minimum line widths, etc.?
i have a WYSE dsa coming, i have a HF dsa coming, looking for a retro dsa, got macross dsa coming, will be getting this dsa, anything dsa i have missed? :D
also, cannot wait for this to get live, are we waiting for the macross to conclude to test out SP first matt?
i have a WYSE dsa coming, i have a HF dsa coming, looking for a retro dsa, got macross dsa coming, will be getting this dsa, anything dsa i have missed? :D
also, cannot wait for this to get live, are we waiting for the macross to conclude to test out SP first matt?
i have a WYSE dsa coming, i have a HF dsa coming, looking for a retro dsa, got macross dsa coming, will be getting this dsa, anything dsa i have missed? :D
also, cannot wait for this to get live, are we waiting for the macross to conclude to test out SP first matt?
I think he said no to that. Also, he said this GB should be open next week. I think this Monday. Yay!
right. did you decide on the platform yet?
i have a WYSE dsa coming, i have a HF dsa coming, looking for a retro dsa, got macross dsa coming, will be getting this dsa, anything dsa i have missed? :D
also, cannot wait for this to get live, are we waiting for the macross to conclude to test out SP first matt?
I think he said no to that. Also, he said this GB should be open next week. I think this Monday. Yay!
And you shall get this set. Because this is THE dsa set to get.
i have a WYSE dsa coming, i have a HF dsa coming, looking for a retro dsa, got macross dsa coming, will be getting this dsa, anything dsa i have missed? :D
also, cannot wait for this to get live, are we waiting for the macross to conclude to test out SP first matt?
I think he said no to that. Also, he said this GB should be open next week. I think this Monday. Yay!
And you shall get this set. Because this is THE dsa set to get.
of course i will be getting this one....a couple of weeks ago, i fell in love with the DSA profile, so i'm probably going to collect all the sets that i can get my hands on :)
i'm very glad that i actually got my hands on a WYSE dsa straight from korea - should arrive in a couple of days.
@matt3o - i'm cool with that, hopefully macross will be a great success (logistics wise) and the SP platform will be recognized by GH and the GBs won't be confined into the SP subsection anymore.
Some corrections (it really takes a lot of time)There are still a lot of fixes needed here.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CIhqZ5m.png)
Are the 'home' and 'end' arrow heads supposed to be the same? (I realize they go in opposite directions.)
Also, fix that @ sign. I’d recommend combining the @ signs from 2 different weights of the typeface. You’ll need to redraw some of the outline, but it’s not too hard.
Are the 'home' and 'end' arrow heads supposed to be the same? (I realize they go in opposite directions.)
yes, why?Also, fix that @ sign. I’d recommend combining the @ signs from 2 different weights of the typeface. You’ll need to redraw some of the outline, but it’s not too hard.
cool! can you work on that?
Are the 'home' and 'end' arrow heads supposed to be the same? (I realize they go in opposite directions.)
yes, why?
Are the 'home' and 'end' arrow heads supposed to be the same? (I realize they go in opposite directions.)
yes, why?
They just look different to me ¯\(°_o)/¯
Are the 'home' and 'end' arrow heads supposed to be the same? (I realize they go in opposite directions.)
yes, why?
They just look different to me ¯\(°_o)/¯
cool! can you work on that?
Also, fix that @ sign. I’d recommend combining the @ signs from 2 different weights of the typeface. You’ll need to redraw some of the outline, but it’s not too hard.
cool! can you work on that?
Those questions were exactly what I thought when I read their posts. LOL. It was amazing.
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These are the kits so far. As always please report any error. This is exactly how they will be printed, if we put a typo or something we will have to live with it forever after!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fR9OP9J.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/raFaCec.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j3Ag1um.png)
Any idea for a better pause/break icon? (that is not a mug)
If it will fit can we have Control spelled out on the text modifiers
and RGB?
Also is the stepped caps lock in the mod kits center stem?
These are the kits so far. As always please report any error. This is exactly how they will be printed, if we put a typo or something we will have to live with it forever after!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fR9OP9J.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/raFaCec.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j3Ag1um.png)
Any idea for a better pause/break icon? (that is not a mug)
What happened with the international kit? Will it be available?
If it will fit can we have Control spelled out on the text modifiers
and RGB?
Also is the stepped caps lock in the mod kits center stem?
With current font size we can't fit "Control" on 1.25. Mods text size is not yet final anyway, I could still reduce it a little and in that case it would fit. I prefer to keep consistency in font size.
DSA has no center stemmed caps lock.
I'm probably going to keep the , . center-aligned for a more retro-look, but I'll try the most modern bottom aligned version and see which one I like most.Okay.
These are the kits so far. As always please report any error. This is exactly how they will be printed, if we put a typo or something we will have to live with it forever after!What happened with the international kit? Will it be available?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fR9OP9J.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/raFaCec.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j3Ag1um.png)
Any idea for a better pause/break icon? (that is not a mug)
If it will fit can we have Control spelled out on the text modifiers
and RGB?
Also is the stepped caps lock in the mod kits center stem?
With current font size we can't fit "Control" on 1.25. Mods text size is not yet final anyway, I could still reduce it a little and in that case it would fit. I prefer to keep consistency in font size.
DSA has no center stemmed caps lock.
IINM, the mold belongs to OTD.kr and you need permission from OTD.kr to use them on your set.
I'm probably going to keep the , . center-aligned for a more retro-look, but I'll try the most modern bottom aligned version and see which one I like most.Okay.
I don’t think they should necessarily be aligned as they are in use on a printed page, I just would move the quotation marks up slightly, and the ,. down slightly.
For example, look a the alignment and sizing of these keys on a current Apple chiclet keyboard. I don’t think it’s necessary to go quite as far as they do away from centered, but their layout for these keys seems fairly reasonable.
In the meantime I fixed the @. I really like it now (before and after)That’s pretty good, I like the relative weights of the letter/circle. There’s something slightly weird about the bottom of the swoop where the a part meets the circle. It’s probably not too noticeable at the final size, but maybe I’ll try to fiddle with it tomorrow.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WJIniDf.png)
Later I'll post all the updates with the SVGs.
Some corrections (it really takes a lot of time)There are still a lot of fixes needed here.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CIhqZ5m.png)
Suggestions:
* move the `'"^ slightly upward, and ,. slightly downward. They don’t need to be quite in their usual alignment, but having them completely centered doesn’t look right
* increase the size of the ^*+- and probably ~ < > [but make sure you keep the stroke weight consistent with the rest of the set]
* increase the weight of ,.:;'"` and possibly make them slightly bigger
* make sure you do your horizontal centering based on visual weight rather than precise character center. For example ()[]{} are all quite a bit off
* I’d recommend slightly increasing the weight of all the numbers and modifiers, to bring it closer to the weight of the letters.
Matt,
Have you gotten a price on the blue enter kit?
Matt,
Have you gotten a price on the blue enter kit?
$9 at 25 (MOQ)
$7 at 50
$6 at 75
Can you share the final Pro Icon Set, please?
Can you share the final Pro Icon Set, please?
still working on it. I'll put everything on github
New pause/break key like suggested by[I don't remember who...]DamienGShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/WfZ6YJc.png)
The kit will go around $30, removing most of the third legends we could probably go around $20.
I suggested to remove similar keys but the general opinion is: if we ought to do it international we ought to do it international all the way!
So here it is, your full no-compromise international kit. Later I'll post the intl-2 kit
Can someone repeat that github link, if there was one? I can’t find it.
This may have been answered but, is there going to be any grey 6.25x or 7x space bars?
I only see the white colored space bars.
This may have been answered but, is there going to be any grey 6.25x or 7x space bars?
I only see the white colored space bars.
no dark gray spacebars (first time it was requested actually)
what's the story of the ç ? Usually I prefer to keep pieces together to avoid bad sublimation bleeding.
how much is the single spacebar anyway?This may have been answered but, is there going to be any grey 6.25x or 7x space bars?
I only see the white colored space bars.
no dark gray spacebars (first time it was requested actually)
how much is the single spacebar anyway?This may have been answered but, is there going to be any grey 6.25x or 7x space bars?
I only see the white colored space bars.
no dark gray spacebars (first time it was requested actually)
and how much will it be to add a grey spacebar into current spacebar kit thus making it to be 2 spacebars.
how much is the single spacebar anyway?This may have been answered but, is there going to be any grey 6.25x or 7x space bars?
I only see the white colored space bars.
no dark gray spacebars (first time it was requested actually)
and how much will it be to add a grey spacebar into current spacebar kit thus making it to be 2 spacebars.
one spacebar goes for $4.50 at 25 tier. Two of different colors might be a tad more than double I guess.
what do you think of blue spacebar instead? :)show us a mock up? :D
what do you think of blue spacebar instead? :)
what do you think of blue spacebar instead? :)
Yay! Will white LEDs shine through these caps, or will there just be an underglow effect?
nope, no shine through, but you can get blank windowed keys.
They are keycaps for Cherry MX switches and the legends (writing) on them are not clear for backlit keyboards, so your experience with how much light comes through may be not impressive.Much Excite! (but hoping they could be found for less $$$).
Profile looks to be "OEM".
Are these caps for Cherry MX switches? And are they regular caps or for backlit?
Also, is there someone that is willing to part his international set 2 and sell me that key:I could do that, getting it for the DE keys and dont need the dot dot chevron.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XELLzQZ.png), it would be appreciated :).
They are keycaps for Cherry MX switches and the legends (writing) on them are not clear for backlit keyboards, so your experience with how much light comes through may be not impressive.Much Excite! (but hoping they could be found for less $$$).
Profile looks to be "OEM".
Are these caps for Cherry MX switches? And are they regular caps or for backlit?
^ good tastes!
are people deadset on having legended oj and yellow keys in the lost and found set? i'm more of a fan of blank colors.
also interested in dark grey spacebar
I know this is a bit late to suggest, but would it be possible to throw in a 1.75 blue enter into the "text pro" kit? I'd really love this for my JD40. I just realized that I won't be able to get a blue enter on it any other way.
Hope this isn't too late! And thanks again for all the amazing work you've put into this project, Matt. This is such an awesome DSA set!
I know this is a bit late to suggest, but would it be possible to throw in a 1.75 blue enter into the "text pro" kit? I'd really love this for my JD40. I just realized that I won't be able to get a blue enter on it any other way.
Hope this isn't too late! And thanks again for all the amazing work you've put into this project, Matt. This is such an awesome DSA set!
I got the quote, but I asked for few changes to reduce price.
The blue enter in the mod kits turned out to be too expensive and I prefer to remove it and place it in a kit of its own.
I know this is a bit late to suggest, but would it be possible to throw in a 1.75 blue enter into the "text pro" kit? I'd really love this for my JD40. I just realized that I won't be able to get a blue enter on it any other way.
Hope this isn't too late! And thanks again for all the amazing work you've put into this project, Matt. This is such an awesome DSA set!I got the quote, but I asked for few changes to reduce price.
The blue enter in the mod kits turned out to be too expensive and I prefer to remove it and place it in a kit of its own.
initially the blue enter key was included inside the mod kits with their respective legends.
but as what matt says, having the blue enter jacks up the price of the mod kits and probably not everyone wants blue enter, hence it was separated out.
I know this is a bit late to suggest, but would it be possible to throw in a 1.75 blue enter into the "text pro" kit? I'd really love this for my JD40. I just realized that I won't be able to get a blue enter on it any other way.
Hope this isn't too late! And thanks again for all the amazing work you've put into this project, Matt. This is such an awesome DSA set!I got the quote, but I asked for few changes to reduce price.
The blue enter in the mod kits turned out to be too expensive and I prefer to remove it and place it in a kit of its own.
initially the blue enter key was included inside the mod kits with their respective legends.
but as what matt says, having the blue enter jacks up the price of the mod kits and probably not everyone wants blue enter, hence it was separated out.
Is there any other keyboard that requires that special size for the enter key? If not, maybe the best option will be to put it in a separate set, as the ISO enter, or the blue enter, to allow the interested parties to buy it.
Is there any other keyboard that requires that special size for the enter key? If not, maybe the best option will be to put it in a separate set, as the ISO enter, or the blue enter, to allow the interested parties to buy it.
JD40 is the only keyboard I know of, but most 40% designs I've seen also include 1.75 enters, so you may see it more in future keyboards. Since it is quite uncommon, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing it in the ISO kit (or just on its own). I'd just really love to see it included.
Is there any other keyboard that requires that special size for the enter key? If not, maybe the best option will be to put it in a separate set, as the ISO enter, or the blue enter, to allow the interested parties to buy it.
JD40 is the only keyboard I know of, but most 40% designs I've seen also include 1.75 enters, so you may see it more in future keyboards. Since it is quite uncommon, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing it in the ISO kit (or just on its own). I'd just really love to see it included.
I hope Matt find a cost-wise way to allow this option to get into this GB. It seems that it already has plenty of special options that are rarely included in other sets. I'd like to see a 4.5u space bar, but I am afraid there is no mold available in DSA profile, so I just live with what I already have on hand.
Is there any other keyboard that requires that special size for the enter key? If not, maybe the best option will be to put it in a separate set, as the ISO enter, or the blue enter, to allow the interested parties to buy it.
JD40 is the only keyboard I know of, but most 40% designs I've seen also include 1.75 enters, so you may see it more in future keyboards. Since it is quite uncommon, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing it in the ISO kit (or just on its own). I'd just really love to see it included.
I hope Matt find a cost-wise way to allow this option to get into this GB. It seems that it already has plenty of special options that are rarely included in other sets. I'd like to see a 4.5u space bar, but I am afraid there is no mold available in DSA profile, so I just live with what I already have on hand.
Ahh—do you own JIS MX boards that you'd be putting this set on?
pfiu! I spend Sunday morning setting up all the templates... The legends thickness/positioning are not final yet but the number/type of keys are. This is the last chance to fix errors in number and size of keys while we will have more time to fix the legends (wrong positioning/size/thickness/etc).
Please review them carefully and report any error.
imgur gallery: http://imgur.com/a/jfo2E (http://imgur.com/a/jfo2E)
Again legend style needs some review, but we can start the GB if the number and size of keys are correct! I'll take care of small glitches during the GB.
From the link below you can download the whole set in PNG+SVG format. Play with them, mix and match the keys to compose your preferred layout and post the result here. It's a great way to spot errors!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fj4origyvtikqzb/PBT-Granite.zip
This is a very time consuming task for me, I'm doing it for free, but if you are interested in the set please help me spotting stupid errors.
Thanks!
PS: first error spotted (and corrected) in the windowed set
pfiu! I spend Sunday morning setting up all the templates... The legends thickness/positioning are not final yet but the number/type of keys are. This is the last chance to fix errors in number and size of keys while we will have more time to fix the legends (wrong positioning/size/thickness/etc).
Please review them carefully and report any error.
imgur gallery: http://imgur.com/a/jfo2E (http://imgur.com/a/jfo2E)
Again legend style needs some review, but we can start the GB if the number and size of keys are correct! I'll take care of small glitches during the GB.
From the link below you can download the whole set in PNG+SVG format. Play with them, mix and match the keys to compose your preferred layout and post the result here. It's a great way to spot errors!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fj4origyvtikqzb/PBT-Granite.zip
This is a very time consuming task for me, I'm doing it for free, but if you are interested in the set please help me spotting stupid errors.
Thanks!
PS: first error spotted (and corrected) in the windowed set
Is the GB still set to start this week?
pfiu! I spend Sunday morning setting up all the templates... The legends thickness/positioning are not final yet but the number/type of keys are. This is the last chance to fix errors in number and size of keys while we will have more time to fix the legends (wrong positioning/size/thickness/etc).
Please review them carefully and report any error.
imgur gallery: http://imgur.com/a/jfo2E (http://imgur.com/a/jfo2E)
Again legend style needs some review, but we can start the GB if the number and size of keys are correct! I'll take care of small glitches during the GB.
From the link below you can download the whole set in PNG+SVG format. Play with them, mix and match the keys to compose your preferred layout and post the result here. It's a great way to spot errors!
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fj4origyvtikqzb/PBT-Granite.zip
This is a very time consuming task for me, I'm doing it for free, but if you are interested in the set please help me spotting stupid errors.
Thanks!
PS: first error spotted (and corrected) in the windowed set
Is the GB still set to start this week?
matt says he wants to start, ideally, on monday if everything goes accordingly, including SP site and legends is perfected.
it's already 2:36PM Monday afternoon for me :( sucks to be ahead of time...
This set is gonna look so pimpin' on my Poker.
Even more so on a Viper/Eagle, if that groupbuy ever happens.
This might be the set to have.
Is it perhaps too late to ask for a 1.5u Escape key?
For some reason, I thought there was one, but I was mistaken.
Doesn't have to be a radical color, or anything.
I have my Poker II's caps lock mapped to escape for vim/pentadactyl/various other vim-like bindings in my window manager.
I still haven’t heard of anyone who wants a “SPACE” label on an ergodox 1x2 key.
Apart from the yellow/orange keys, is there really interest for any of the other keys?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HyxHmXI.png)
Apart from the yellow/orange keys, is there really interest for any of the other keys?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HyxHmXI.png)
Apart from the yellow/orange keys, is there really interest for any of the other keys?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HyxHmXI.png)
i'm only interested in yellow/orange and red arrow keys.
I thought there was a red esc already included.
Apart from the yellow/orange keys, is there really interest for any of the other keys?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HyxHmXI.png)
KBT Pure (not pro) will need the base common set, one modifiers set either text, or icons, and a 6.25 space bar. But,the only way to get the right shift 1.75u is to get also the pro modifiers set, again in either text, or icons.
1 common set
1 modifiers set1 pro modifiers set (To get the short right shift)
1 space bar 6.25u
I am not sure, but after a second inspection of the modifer set it appears it has a 1.75u already? or is it 1.25u?, let Matt confirm that. If that were the case you can do it with only the base, the mods and the space bar.
The sets are looking great Matt3o! Just to check
- 1.5x Tab - in standard modifiers
- 1.5x caps lock -
is this in any set?it's in the pro modifiers
Right. I'm all set. It's payday on Friday. My wallet won't know what hit it!
oh well. key caps > food!
Hey guys I'm a real noob here.
I'm using a KBT pure (not pro) version and I'm looking for a compatible blank set while not spending as much as I can.
Which set should I go for? I know I need the 1.75x R_SHIFT but that's all. I'm wondering if the other keys should be alright, like the alt/function/ctrl etc. Also, there's the tilde key on the right of the shift so preferrably the set should have enough keys for that too without buying an extra set?
Please help!
Thanks
The sets are looking great Matt3o! Just to check
- 1.5x Tab - in standard modifiers
- 1.5x caps lock -
is this in any set?it's in the pro modifiers
Right. I'm all set. It's payday on Friday. My wallet won't know what hit it!
KBT Pure (not pro) will need the base common set, one modifiers set either text, or icons, and a 6.25 space bar. But,the only way to get the right shift 1.75u is to get also the pro modifiers set, again in either text, or icons.
1 common set
1 modifiers set1 pro modifiers set (To get the short right shift)
1 space bar 6.25u
I am not sure, but after a second inspection of the modifer set it appears it has a 1.75u already? or is it 1.25u?, let Matt confirm that. If that were the case you can do it with only the base, the mods and the space bar.
Hey guys I'm a real noob here.
I'm using a KBT pure (not pro) version and I'm looking for a compatible blank set while not spending as much as I can.
Which set should I go for? I know I need the 1.75x R_SHIFT but that's all. I'm wondering if the other keys should be alright, like the alt/function/ctrl etc. Also, there's the tilde key on the right of the shift so preferrably the set should have enough keys for that too without buying an extra set?
Please help!
Thanks
For KBT Pure you need:
with legends: common + icon mods + icon pro
blanks: base kit + additional blank mods
KBT Pure (not pro) will need the base common set, one modifiers set either text, or icons, and a 6.25 space bar. But,the only way to get the right shift 1.75u is to get also the pro modifiers set, again in either text, or icons.
1 common set
1 modifiers set1 pro modifiers set (To get the short right shift)
1 space bar 6.25u
I am not sure, but after a second inspection of the modifer set it appears it has a 1.75u already? or is it 1.25u?, let Matt confirm that. If that were the case you can do it with only the base, the mods and the space bar.Hey guys I'm a real noob here.
I'm using a KBT pure (not pro) version and I'm looking for a compatible blank set while not spending as much as I can.
Which set should I go for? I know I need the 1.75x R_SHIFT but that's all. I'm wondering if the other keys should be alright, like the alt/function/ctrl etc. Also, there's the tilde key on the right of the shift so preferrably the set should have enough keys for that too without buying an extra set?
Please help!
Thanks
For KBT Pure you need:
with legends: common + icon mods + icon pro
blanks: base kit + additional blank mods
Oh alright. I guess I'll just go for the blanks for me since it's cheaper and it's what I wanted anyway.
I'm thinking that for other group buys, I should be looking out for the Tsangan set? Is that right?
And lastly, the 6.25 spacebar, I don't think that's needed right? Cause the common kit already comes with 6.25? I think those are the only things I have to watch out for I guess, the 1.75 r_shift and 6.25 spacebar.
Thanks a lot for your help guys. I really appreciate it! :)
The GB for this IC is not available yet...relax.
I'm wondering if I could get some help real quick as this is my first keycap purchase. I have a poker two and I've used the toggles to switch the windows key to Caps lock and the Caps lock key to Fn. I like the icons set. What sets do I need to purchase? I think I need the Common Kit, Icon Pro Kit, Icon Modifiers, and then WASD/Nerdom for personalizing.
If I recall correctly Poker 2 layout is very standard. You'd need just Common kit + Icon mods, BUT I highly recommend picking the Pro kit as well as it covers less common layouts.
So some observations about the ISO enter:
It looks good and fits quite well - your non-keyboard-loving friends won't even notice. Typing wise it is quite similar but not quite identical to the deep sound of the DSAs. The only real problems are a. It wobbles a bit more than the DSA as their stems are tight and B it doesn't visually line up perfectly from the front (more obviously visible from the side but you won't be in that position). Overall a worth substitute given they can't make DSA ISO enters for whatever reason.Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dXQWBxk1zAU/Uxu5JD_F5eI/AAAAAAAACqs/0VxFrRwhoFA/w1256-h942-no/IMG_20140308_164228.jpg)
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Poker 2 is standard, but Gametris will need the pro kit for customized icon for the capslock that is beign used as window key.
play your russian chorus of choice and...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hoYTL4v.png)
legend positioning is not final, but all characters should be there. please confirm. note that you also need the common kit!
play your russian chorus of choice and...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hoYTL4v.png)
legend positioning is not final, but all characters should be there. please confirm. note that you also need the common kit!
Just compared it to my IMSTO set and no characters are missing.
How many stems does an ISO Enter key have?
Any new mockup pics Matt?
Any new mockup pics Matt?
like junkies begging for a dose :D
Any new mockup pics Matt?
like junkies begging for a dose :D
I know right. I'm ready ;D
I'm new here, so apologies if it's common knowledge: is there no interest for a Hangeul set? Or is it readily available somewhere else?
If you find any error please report asap, the GB starts TODAY!!!!
I'll post an updated zip later.
If you find any error please report asap, the GB starts TODAY!!!!
I'll post an updated zip later.
If you find any error please report asap, the GB starts TODAY!!!!
I'll post an updated zip later.
I'm new here, so apologies if it's common knowledge: is there no interest for a Hangeul set? Or is it readily available somewhere else?
no more time to design a new layout guys sorry.
no more time to design a new layout guys sorry.
Cyrillic legends! Great idea.
I'm sorry if it's been explained somewhere in the thread, but who will be doing the legend printing? SP? IMSTO?
I didn't know they do custom dye sublimated legends, that's why I asked :)
I didn't know they do custom dye sublimated legends, that's why I asked :)
Final kits! 31 (!!!!!!)
https://cloudup.com/ceUexwoT1SI (https://cloudup.com/ceUexwoT1SI)
Source files can be downloaded from: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/116535/PBT-Granite.zip
You need Gotham rounded font to view the SVG files but I will soon post a version with all paths (an not text) that should be usable everywhere.
Key count and size are final! Legends positioning/color/thickness can still change.
GB will start shortly.
Final kits! 31 (!!!!!!)
https://cloudup.com/ceUexwoT1SI (https://cloudup.com/ceUexwoT1SI)
Source files can be downloaded from: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/116535/PBT-Granite.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/116535/PBT-Granite.zip)
You need Gotham rounded font to view the SVG files but I will soon post a version with all paths (an not text) that should be usable everywhere.
Key count and size are final! Legends positioning/color/thickness can still change.
GB will start shortly.
Nitpick: "extra" in extra homing set is misspelled. Nothing having to do with keys, just want the images to look perfect to lure in buyers. ;)
flyer :PShow Image(https://i.cloudup.com/F77GIT45MK.jpg)
And the GB link? This set is awesome. I will need a new board just for it. :D
And the GB link? This set is awesome. I will need a new board just for it. :D
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56354.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56354.0)
And the GB link? This set is awesome. I will need a new board just for it. :D
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56354.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56354.0)
I meant the link to the actual GB site at SP's pimp your keyboard. :)) . But thank you.
I'm new here, so apologies if it's common knowledge: is there no interest for a Hangeul set? Or is it readily available somewhere else?
if it interests the OP and other people, i don't see why we wouldn't have it.
this is another thread that you might want to put your suggestion
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0
btw, welcome to geekhack! :)
I'm new here, so apologies if it's common knowledge: is there no interest for a Hangeul set? Or is it readily available somewhere else?
if it interests the OP and other people, i don't see why we wouldn't have it.
this is another thread that you might want to put your suggestion
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0)
btw, welcome to geekhack! :)
Thanks!
I was reading the other thread too, and somehow forgot to even mention this :o
I'm new here, so apologies if it's common knowledge: is there no interest for a Hangeul set? Or is it readily available somewhere else?
if it interests the OP and other people, i don't see why we wouldn't have it.
this is another thread that you might want to put your suggestion
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0)
btw, welcome to geekhack! :)
Thanks!
I was reading the other thread too, and somehow forgot to even mention this :o
This (http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=62) may interest you.
I'm new here, so apologies if it's common knowledge: is there no interest for a Hangeul set? Or is it readily available somewhere else?
if it interests the OP and other people, i don't see why we wouldn't have it.
this is another thread that you might want to put your suggestion
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54708.0)
btw, welcome to geekhack! :)
Thanks!
I was reading the other thread too, and somehow forgot to even mention this :o
This (http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=62) may interest you.
Ooh that looks nice. Thanks for the link! :thumb:
God, my bill is going to be painful...
That's OK, I won't be able to afford dinner for a couple of days anyway.
http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/granite-set-pbt-dye-sub-dsa/ (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/granite-set-pbt-dye-sub-dsa/)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Order placed for a bunch of the sets!
I'm also waiting on my Edox, so I ordered everything to go with it. Hopefully this GB goes well so my very expensive order become just simply expensive.
Official GB page http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56354.0
So if I'm understanding correctly if what I want now is say $200 I need to have $200 available to be put on hold in my PayPal even if it will maybe drop to say $125 total later on?
You should post this in the official GB thread, but good question.