[IC] full PBT (spacebar included), gray or beige set

[CommonCurt]

I started working on the final templates. This is the real deal, legend text, size and position are actually the way they will be printed, so if you spot any error or have suggestions please report asap. I'll also post the SVG if you wanna play with it.

Maybe font size for the mods could be slightly smaller.

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PS: I really don't like the @ sign

Looks great.    I see nothing wrong with text size of the mods.

[skuko]

I started working on the final templates. This is the real deal, legend text, size and position are actually the way they will be printed, so if you spot any error or have suggestions please report asap. I'll also post the SVG if you wanna play with it.

Maybe font size for the mods could be slightly smaller.

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PS: I really don't like the @ sign

Looks great.    I see nothing wrong with text size of the mods.

this....looks freaking AWESOME :) make those cap tops more rounded though, so it actually looks like dsa :)

[jacobolus]

Matt: if you send me a vector file, I’m happy to fix the @ sign, etc. I don’t have unlimited time to throw at it, but I could put in an hour or something.

Here’s the image I posted before, near the top of this thread:


By the way, did SP say anything about how far from the edge letters need to stay, minimum line widths, etc.?

[rowdy]

Looking good

[Matt3o]

Matt: if you send me a vector file, I’m happy to fix the @ sign, etc. I don’t have unlimited time to throw at it, but I could put in an hour or something.

Here’s the image I posted before, near the top of this thread:

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By the way, did SP say anything about how far from the edge letters need to stay, minimum line widths, etc.?

I have very little specs unfortunately. I just have the 1u size (0.725 outside, 0.500 inside, 0.450 printing limit). From that I've built the other keys (like you see them above). I think I'm going to use Gotham light without additional width since it seems pretty good to me.

I'll send the above template to SP and ask if everything looks good to them. If that works we can start doing all the other legends.

[Matt3o]

Some corrections (it really takes a lot of time)



and some fun

[mashby]

So beautiful. Really nice work Matt3o.

[lcs]

Basically my favorite set. I'm really excited about it!

Hope the edox set gets a nice price. No one ever buys them

[ideus]

The ultimate DSA set, lot of options, including international legends, icon mods, and it may be a first in PBT with sublimated legends. A very nice color combination that is just classy.

[skuko]

i have a WYSE dsa coming, i have a HF dsa coming, looking for a retro dsa, got macross dsa coming, will be getting this dsa, anything dsa i have missed?

also, cannot wait for this to get live, are we waiting for the macross to conclude to test out SP first matt?

[ideus]

i have a WYSE dsa coming, i have a HF dsa coming, looking for a retro dsa, got macross dsa coming, will be getting this dsa, anything dsa i have missed?

also, cannot wait for this to get live, are we waiting for the macross to conclude to test out SP first matt?

I think he said no to that. Also, he said this GB should be open next week. I think this Monday. Yay!

[Matt3o]

i have a WYSE dsa coming, i have a HF dsa coming, looking for a retro dsa, got macross dsa coming, will be getting this dsa, anything dsa i have missed?

also, cannot wait for this to get live, are we waiting for the macross to conclude to test out SP first matt?

This should start next Monday.

[skuko]

right. did you decide on the platform yet?

[ideus]

i have a WYSE dsa coming, i have a HF dsa coming, looking for a retro dsa, got macross dsa coming, will be getting this dsa, anything dsa i have missed?

also, cannot wait for this to get live, are we waiting for the macross to conclude to test out SP first matt?

I think he said no to that. Also, he said this GB should be open next week. I think this Monday. Yay!

And you shall get this set. Because this is THE dsa set to get.

[Matt3o]

right. did you decide on the platform yet?

SP's

[skuko]

i have a WYSE dsa coming, i have a HF dsa coming, looking for a retro dsa, got macross dsa coming, will be getting this dsa, anything dsa i have missed?

also, cannot wait for this to get live, are we waiting for the macross to conclude to test out SP first matt?

I think he said no to that. Also, he said this GB should be open next week. I think this Monday. Yay!

And you shall get this set. Because this is THE dsa set to get.

of course i will be getting this one....a couple of weeks ago, i fell in love with the DSA profile, so i'm probably going to collect all the sets that i can get my hands on

i'm very glad that i actually got my hands on a WYSE dsa straight from korea - should arrive in a couple of days.

@matt3o - i'm cool with that, hopefully macross will be a great success (logistics wise) and the SP platform will be recognized by GH and the GBs won't be confined into the SP subsection anymore.

[ideus]

i have a WYSE dsa coming, i have a HF dsa coming, looking for a retro dsa, got macross dsa coming, will be getting this dsa, anything dsa i have missed?

also, cannot wait for this to get live, are we waiting for the macross to conclude to test out SP first matt?

I think he said no to that. Also, he said this GB should be open next week. I think this Monday. Yay!

And you shall get this set. Because this is THE dsa set to get.

of course i will be getting this one....a couple of weeks ago, i fell in love with the DSA profile, so i'm probably going to collect all the sets that i can get my hands on

i'm very glad that i actually got my hands on a WYSE dsa straight from korea - should arrive in a couple of days.

@matt3o - i'm cool with that, hopefully macross will be a great success (logistics wise) and the SP platform will be recognized by GH and the GBs won't be confined into the SP subsection anymore.

Oh my... I am full of envy now, this is one of those few moments when I hate to be a poor grad student. 

[Matt3o]

These are the kits so far. As always please report any error. This is exactly how they will be printed, if we put a typo or something we will have to live with it forever after!







Any idea for a better pause/break icon? (that is not a mug)

[SpAmRaY]

Are the 'home' and 'end' arrow heads supposed to be the same? (I realize they go in opposite directions.)

[ideus]

What about this for the pause break:

[jacobolus]

Some corrections (it really takes a lot of time)

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There are still a lot of fixes needed here.

Suggestions:
* move the `'"^ slightly upward, and ,. slightly downward. They don’t need to be quite in their usual alignment, but having them completely centered doesn’t look right
* increase the size of the ^*+- and probably ~ < > [but make sure you keep the stroke weight consistent with the rest of the set]
* increase the weight of ,.:;'"` and possibly make them slightly bigger
* make sure you do your horizontal centering based on visual weight rather than precise character center. For example ()[]{} are all quite a bit off
* I’d recommend slightly increasing the weight of all the numbers and modifiers, to bring it closer to the weight of the letters.

[jacobolus]

Also, fix that @ sign. I’d recommend combining the @ signs from 2 different weights of the typeface. You’ll need to redraw some of the outline, but it’s not too hard.

[Matt3o]

Are the 'home' and 'end' arrow heads supposed to be the same? (I realize they go in opposite directions.)

yes, why?

Also, fix that @ sign. I’d recommend combining the @ signs from 2 different weights of the typeface. You’ll need to redraw some of the outline, but it’s not too hard.

cool! can you work on that?

[ideus]

Are the 'home' and 'end' arrow heads supposed to be the same? (I realize they go in opposite directions.)

yes, why?

Also, fix that @ sign. I’d recommend combining the @ signs from 2 different weights of the typeface. You’ll need to redraw some of the outline, but it’s not too hard.

cool! can you work on that?

Those questions were exactly what I thought when I read their posts. LOL. It was amazing.

[SpAmRaY]

Are the 'home' and 'end' arrow heads supposed to be the same? (I realize they go in opposite directions.)

yes, why?

They just look different to me ¯\(°_o)/¯

[Matt3o]

Are the 'home' and 'end' arrow heads supposed to be the same? (I realize they go in opposite directions.)

yes, why?

They just look different to me ¯\(°_o)/¯

I'll double check them, thanks

[ideus]

Are the 'home' and 'end' arrow heads supposed to be the same? (I realize they go in opposite directions.)

yes, why?

They just look different to me ¯\(°_o)/¯

Make a sketch of your idea, so we may understand your point.

[jacobolus]

* Leading is too limited on Print Screen, Scroll Lock, and Pause Break. (Perhaps rename this to just “Pause”? I’m not sure what Windows people want w/ this legend.)

* I’d also add a bit more leading on “Caps Lock”, but not as much as on the smaller text.

* I really dislike “PGUP” and “PGDN” but do what you must.

* Caps lock symbol is very visually heavy

* Print screen symbol is especially dark where the lines meet. There are a few possible fixes, or it could maybe be safely ignored

* I’d add a bit of space behind the x in the rectangular end of the delete/backspace symbols so they don’t feel so unbalanced. Make sure you center them within the keycap space visually rather than precisely based on character dimensions

* Likewise the arrow keys need to be more carefully centered IMO

[jacobolus]

cool! can you work on that?

Sure, but you haven’t posted any vector files.

Anyway, gotta run. But I could spend about an hour on fiddling with this tomorrow, if you post a vector file.

[jacobolus]

Also, fix that @ sign. I’d recommend combining the @ signs from 2 different weights of the typeface. You’ll need to redraw some of the outline, but it’s not too hard.

cool! can you work on that?

Those questions were exactly what I thought when I read their posts. LOL. It was amazing.

What are you getting at? Matt asked for suggestions/critiques, so that’s what I’m doing. If he doesn’t find it helpful and wants me to stop, he can certainly speak up for himself.

[ideus]

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The comments are very welcome. And he has spoken, and your answer is needed. However, I do not see what you see, so that is the advantage of group thinking. 

[Matt3o]

jacobolus, your input is welcome. I agree with most of your observations and I'll work on them tomorrow. I'm probably going to keep the , . center-aligned for a more retro-look, but I'll try the most modern bottom aligned version and see which one I like most.

Now I don't have access to the vectors files, but I've posted them on DT, I'll repost an updated version here tomorrow.

[DamienG]

I quite like the current pause/break symbol but if it's not visual enough you could maybe do a  -| |- in a circle. It is both a pause symbol... and a break in a line ;-)

[)amien

[CommonCurt]

These are the kits so far. As always please report any error. This is exactly how they will be printed, if we put a typo or something we will have to live with it forever after!

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Any idea for a better pause/break icon? (that is not a mug)

Matt,

If it will fit can we have Control spelled out on the text modifiers
and RGB?

Also is the stepped caps lock in the mod kits center stem?


Man I can't wait to get these.

[Matt3o]

If it will fit can we have Control spelled out on the text modifiers
and RGB?

Also is the stepped caps lock in the mod kits center stem?

With current font size we can't fit "Control" on 1.25. Mods text size is not yet final anyway, I could still reduce it a little and in that case it would fit. I prefer to keep consistency in font size.

DSA has no center stemmed caps lock.

[Roekpoffen]

These are the kits so far. As always please report any error. This is exactly how they will be printed, if we put a typo or something we will have to live with it forever after!

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Any idea for a better pause/break icon? (that is not a mug)


What happened with the international kit? Will it be available?

[justnits]

If it will fit can we have Control spelled out on the text modifiers
and RGB?

Also is the stepped caps lock in the mod kits center stem?

With current font size we can't fit "Control" on 1.25. Mods text size is not yet final anyway, I could still reduce it a little and in that case it would fit. I prefer to keep consistency in font size.

DSA has no center stemmed caps lock.

IINM, the mold belongs to OTD.kr and you need permission from OTD.kr to use them on your set.

[jacobolus]

I'm probably going to keep the , . center-aligned for a more retro-look, but I'll try the most modern bottom aligned version and see which one I like most.

Okay.

I don’t think they should necessarily be aligned as they are in use on a printed page, I just would move the quotation marks up slightly, and the ,. down slightly.

For example, look a the alignment and sizing of these keys on a current Apple chiclet keyboard. I don’t think it’s necessary to go quite as far as they do away from centered, but their layout for these keys seems fairly reasonable.

[Matt3o]

These are the kits so far. As always please report any error. This is exactly how they will be printed, if we put a typo or something we will have to live with it forever after!

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Any idea for a better pause/break icon? (that is not a mug)

What happened with the international kit? Will it be available?

Of course they will be available! I'm working on the final templates, look at the first post for a list of all keys.

If it will fit can we have Control spelled out on the text modifiers
and RGB?

Also is the stepped caps lock in the mod kits center stem?

With current font size we can't fit "Control" on 1.25. Mods text size is not yet final anyway, I could still reduce it a little and in that case it would fit. I prefer to keep consistency in font size.

DSA has no center stemmed caps lock.

IINM, the mold belongs to OTD.kr and you need permission from OTD.kr to use them on your set.

There's no center stemmed stepped key we can use in DSA PBT. Sorry. Really, I can't.

I'm probably going to keep the , . center-aligned for a more retro-look, but I'll try the most modern bottom aligned version and see which one I like most.

Okay.

I don’t think they should necessarily be aligned as they are in use on a printed page, I just would move the quotation marks up slightly, and the ,. down slightly.

For example, look a the alignment and sizing of these keys on a current Apple chiclet keyboard. I don’t think it’s necessary to go quite as far as they do away from centered, but their layout for these keys seems fairly reasonable.

Thanks for all your inputs. I'll make some tests. Looking at an apple keyboard the , . are really way down, I don't like that, but I could definitely move the . up a little and then both down a bit.

In the meantime I fixed the @. I really like it now (before and after)



Later I'll post all the updates with the SVGs.

[jacobolus]

In the meantime I fixed the @. I really like it now (before and after)

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Later I'll post all the updates with the SVGs.

That’s pretty good, I like the relative weights of the letter/circle. There’s something slightly weird about the bottom of the swoop where the a part meets the circle. It’s probably not too noticeable at the final size, but maybe I’ll try to fiddle with it tomorrow.

[Matt3o]

yeah I noticed that too. I have to do some work now, I'll see what I can do later, even though --as you said-- I doubt it would be noticeable at keycap size. Also the "a" is now slightly smaller.

[Latin00032]

Some corrections (it really takes a lot of time)

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There are still a lot of fixes needed here.

Suggestions:
* move the `'"^ slightly upward, and ,. slightly downward. They don’t need to be quite in their usual alignment, but having them completely centered doesn’t look right
* increase the size of the ^*+- and probably ~ < > [but make sure you keep the stroke weight consistent with the rest of the set]
* increase the weight of ,.:;'"` and possibly make them slightly bigger
* make sure you do your horizontal centering based on visual weight rather than precise character center. For example ()[]{} are all quite a bit off
* I’d recommend slightly increasing the weight of all the numbers and modifiers, to bring it closer to the weight of the letters.

I think the weight of the alphas and mods can be thicker.

It might look better getting the text weight closer to the thickness of the font of gmk keys.

It might make the letters pop more.

[CommonCurt]

Matt,

Have you gotten a price on the blue enter kit?

[Matt3o]

Matt,

Have you gotten a price on the blue enter kit?

$9 at 25 (MOQ)
$7 at 50
$6 at 75

[CommonCurt]

Matt,

Have you gotten a price on the blue enter kit?

$9 at 25 (MOQ)
$7 at 50
$6 at 75

Cool.  I hope it can make MOQ.

[Matt3o]

New pause/break key like suggested by [I don't remember who...] DamienG

[ideus]

Can you share the final Pro Icon Set, please?

[Matt3o]

Can you share the final Pro Icon Set, please?

still working on it. I'll put everything on github

[ideus]

Can you share the final Pro Icon Set, please?

still working on it. I'll put everything on github

Thank you very much for the answer. I suppose we should use the previous links you shared, right?

[DamienG]

New pause/break key like suggested by [I don't remember who...] DamienG

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Works out rather well. I like it :)

[)amien