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As we didn't want to overwhelm ourselves by covering everything we stuck with the most known Latin layout of the series.
The mods would need to be reverse dyesubbed right?
As we didn't want to overwhelm ourselves by covering everything we stuck with the most known Latin layout of the series.
Nice try, the most common version of this is Qwertz!
I am really liking the mod colour!
Is it based on any particular machine, or more the TA mod colours?
EDIT:
Was referring to this blue colour on a typewriter set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XTNEOAD.jpg)
DAILY CLACK FOR OCE VENDOR PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE
Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.
This looks very nice, as an owner of the GMK TA90 set, I’m keeping an eye on this one. How close to the TA90 colour will the alphas be, any idea? If you’re interested in matching them, I can send you some alphas to refer to.
Please please PLEASE consider a colevrak+ kit, you’re dye-subbing, so it can’t be as expensive as double shots (can it?) and you’re already making so many unusual keys anyway.
unless something has changed during the time of the epbt 2048 and this i dont think epbt has a 1.25u r3 mold for the 40s kit but im in for base and 40s regardless as long as it has the ortho keys heh
Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.
I don't own a set of Kuro Shiro, but we'll make sure to get samples before the group buy so we have an accurate idea of quality. Doubleshot would give better results, but then we'd have to use different manufacturers for alphas and mods which makes things a lot more complicated. Also, ePBT's Cherry profile doesn't quite match GMK or JTK.
I am really liking the mod colour!
Is it based on any particular machine, or more the TA mod colours?
EDIT:
Was referring to this blue colour on a typewriter set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XTNEOAD.jpg)
It was actually inspired by seeing people pair OG alphas with blue mods kits such as GMK Electric Bluegaloo. I'm not completely sure what shade we'll end up going with for the set. It might well be something similar to the blue backspace in that photo ;DDAILY CLACK FOR OCE VENDOR PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE
Vendors are still TBC, but we'll try to make sure we have proxies for every regionThose blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.
I don't own a set of Kuro Shiro, but we'll make sure to get samples before the group buy so we have an accurate idea of quality. Doubleshot would give better results, but then we'd have to use different manufacturers for alphas and mods which makes things a lot more complicated. Also, ePBT's Cherry profile doesn't quite match GMK or JTK.This looks very nice, as an owner of the GMK TA90 set, I’m keeping an eye on this one. How close to the TA90 colour will the alphas be, any idea? If you’re interested in matching them, I can send you some alphas to refer to.
Please please PLEASE consider a colevrak+ kit, you’re dye-subbing, so it can’t be as expensive as double shots (can it?) and you’re already making so many unusual keys anyway.
It probably won't be matched to TA90. The colours are similar, but there is a ton of variation from set to set with the OG typewriter caps, so we have a bit of freedom to choose shades we like ;D
Depending on the level of interest in this set we might add more kits. No promises thoughunless something has changed during the time of the epbt 2048 and this i dont think epbt has a 1.25u r3 mold for the 40s kit but im in for base and 40s regardless as long as it has the ortho keys heh
Yeah, I know there might be some keys that need to be cut. We'll need to discuss with the manufacturer first to see what can or can't be done
Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.
I don't own a set of Kuro Shiro, but we'll make sure to get samples before the group buy so we have an accurate idea of quality. Doubleshot would give better results, but then we'd have to use different manufacturers for alphas and mods which makes things a lot more complicated. Also, ePBT's Cherry profile doesn't quite match GMK or JTK.
there are problems with Kuro Shiro's reversed dye-sub keys so you might want to stay away from ePBT's reverse dye-sub.
you might want to look into Infinikeys, the manufacturer that do Katakana Cherry PBT Sets (http://"https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99233.0"),Sanctuary Rebirth (http://"https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94105.msg2829416#msg2829416") , PBT Hive (http://"https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104360.0"), their reverse dye-sub job is excellent. (though... you might need to contact them through theKeyCompany (http://"thekey.company/"))
Please please PLEASE consider a colevrak+ kit, you’re dye-subbing, so it can’t be as expensive as double shots (can it?) and you’re already making so many unusual keys anyway.
Depending on the level of interest in this set we might add more kits. No promises though
there are problems with Kuro Shiro's reversed dye-sub keys so you might want to stay away from ePBT's reverse dye-sub.
there are problems with Kuro Shiro's reversed dye-sub keys so you might want to stay away from ePBT's reverse dye-sub.
Can you please link or show some pictured of the problems from this set?
i'm curious and don't doubt as reverse dye sub is always tricky, but the few pictures i have seen seem to be ok.
have you thought about splitting the alphas and mods in the base set onto separate kits?Yes, please. Or even two separate full base kits, preferably with a few duplicate keys in both colors (F1-F4, F9-F12, ~`, |\). Let's not waste plastic unnecessarily.
epbt also seems to be doing ABS doubleshots now too, just food for thought
epbt also seems to be doing ABS doubleshots now too, just food for thought
Please not ABS.
have you thought about splitting the alphas and mods in the base set onto separate kits?Yes, please. Or even two separate full base kits, preferably with a few duplicate keys in both colors (F1-F4, F9-F12, ~`, |\). Let's not waste plastic unnecessarily.
I really like the caps from these boards so color me interested. Are the blue mods going to be similar or matched to TA beta 8050? They seem a bit pale/blue
Also, keep the suggestions coming for the kits. They'll all be considered when we finalise the kit layouts ;DWell, two things: The comma and dot keys in the kit mockup just have... 2 commas and 2 dots, which I hope is an oversight and not by design; also, I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D
I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D
Thanks! I'm having an eye on it but I'm not sure where to find WoB right now, do you think finding a WoB set will be easy in the future? Or at least WoB alphas?I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D
Might I interest you in this upcoming gb?:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0
Thanks! I'm having an eye on it but I'm not sure where to find WoB right now, do you think finding a WoB set will be easy in the future? Or at least WoB alphas?I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D
Might I interest you in this upcoming gb?:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0
...Well, two things: The comma and dot keys in the kit mockup just have... 2 commas and 2 dots, which I hope is an oversight and not by design; also, I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D
Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.
Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.
We can ask about this, but I'm not sure how well it would work in practice. I don't know how easy colour matching ABS to PBT is given the different properties of the plastic. It's also pretty easy to unwarp the spacebars with some boiling water. But we'll see what we can offer closer to GB stage ;D
Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.
I'd say because the surrounding keys of the Delete key are also not icons. It would look more odd to have Del as a symbol with Insert, Home et cetera as text than having a different style for BS (which will be close to Enter, which is also a symbol key) and Del.Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.Yeah, but why isn't the Delete key being offered with its own X-box? Strikes me as odd that this set would have ⌫ but no ⌦...
Some kitting suggestions:Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.
- Add R3 PGUP and R4 PGDN to the base kit. This will help cover some popular 65% and 75% right column options.
- Move R1 END and PGDN from the base to the numpad kit. These keys are only useful if there is a numpad present, e.g. on 1800, CP and 96-key layout boards, so they shouldn't be included in numpadless base kits.
- Add a R1 = key in both white and blue to the numpad kit. Along with the already-present R4 00, this will help cover standalone numpads.
- Consider using SCRL instead of SCRL↲LOCK and NUM instead of NUM↲LOCK for a more uniform, one-line look across the modifiers.
- The 1.25u FUNC key seems a bit redundant since there is a 1.25u RELOC key of the same row. You may opt to keep both, or you may opt to discard one of them. The same goes for the FUNC and RELOC keys in the 40's kit.
- Consider adding a R3 1.75u FUNC or RELOC key as another viable Caps replacement for people who like to remap Caps to Fn / layer controls. To me, at least, this seems like it would be more useful than a stepped R3 1.75u CTRL.
Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.
Yeah, but why isn't the Delete key being offered with its own X-box? Strikes me as odd that this set would have ⌫ but no ⌦...
We could do this, it's only 2 keys. Although the base kit already covers the Home-PgUp-PgDn-End column which is more popular I think?Here's an incomplete list (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102663.msg2815955#msg2815955) of recent GMK sets that had these keys. As you can see, it's a very popular inclusion. In fact, some of the best selling 65% keyboards ever (ALT, Tada68, Whitefox) have had R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn as their main layout, which helped popularize this setup.
These keys are redundant, but we want people to be able to pick and choose the legends they want for some of the weirder keys. Although the reloc key was a lot weirder in older revisions so the FUNC key could probably be removed now.Since the set already has plenty of novelty-ish legends, I think it would be totally fine to keep just RELOC and have it serve as the wildcard for Fn, Menu or anything else someone might want to put there.
Yes, I could probably add something to use as an R3 Fn keyThanks!
And yeah, the ⌫ always gets a lot of hate, so we wanted to give people the choice between the OG legend and something a bit cleaner.As someone who actually likes ⌫ backspaces (when they're done right), I'm glad it's an option. :)
colevrak support, please?
I never imagined to see someone run a set like this. Super cool!
In can someone is interested in a ISO-DE OG version hit me up
https://imgur.com/kMuVT8N
I can't wrap my head around what the set will look like. The renders all look very low contrast to me like they have a filter or were taken in a dark room. Do you have plans for additional renders at some point?
I can't wrap my head around what the set will look like. The renders all look very low contrast to me like they have a filter or were taken in a dark room. Do you have plans for additional renders at some point?
+1 the render seems faded. Any chance for samples? TA color way is difficult to produce imo
I can't wrap my head around what the set will look like. The renders all look very low contrast to me like they have a filter or were taken in a dark room. Do you have plans for additional renders at some point?
+1 the render seems faded. Any chance for samples? TA color way is difficult to produce imo
Yes, we will definitely get samples before any GB goes live. I'll work on doing a few more renders too, in the mean time here's two I did recently on the HEX.3C (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104597.0).Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BR0bvVZ.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WMHjJWl.png)
I am really loving this set and have a couple of questions.
Do the profile rows go 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1 from top to bottom? I was trying to figure out if the ESC keys on the top row of the 40s kit are duplicates with the ESC keys in the base kit.
Looks like ortho and all 1u mods boards are pretty well covered except for the T+/T- and caps lock keys. Any possibility of adding a 1u caps lock or ctrl key for R3 and a 1u T+/T- key for R2?
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As long as you can keep it a deep and vivid blue for the alphas I'm in. Thought my favorite blue set was mizu, but this is looking extra nice.
Definitely in for the subtle look. It’d cost hella much if you go with GMK so please keep it PBT
I am really loving this set and have a couple of questions.
Do the profile rows go 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1 from top to bottom? I was trying to figure out if the ESC keys on the top row of the 40s kit are duplicates with the ESC keys in the base kit.
Looks like ortho and all 1u mods boards are pretty well covered except for the T+/T- and caps lock keys. Any possibility of adding a 1u caps lock or ctrl key for R3 and a 1u T+/T- key for R2?
I should probably number the rows, it can get confusing with the ortho kits :D . The rows from top to bottom are 2-3-3-4-4-4-space with 'normal' western numbering. A lot of Chinese manufacturers including ePBT number them in reverse, so it would be 3-2-2-1-1-1-space I think. The esc keys in the ortho/40s kit are on the Q and A rows....
As long as you can keep it a deep and vivid blue for the alphas I'm in. Thought my favorite blue set was mizu, but this is looking extra nice.
I'll try to keep it pretty similar to those renders. I don't want anything too bright because it ruins the look a little bit IMO
Would it be possible to get a 1U R1 "WORD" in the small kit for Preonic?
are the homing keys bar and scooped only?
Would it be possible to get a 1U R1 "WORD" in the small kit for Preonic?
That should be possible, yes
Update time ;D
Firstly, sorry for the lack of updates recently. Both Ryan and I have been pretty busy lately with work and other stuff, but we have kept working on things behind the scenes.
We have requested some samples from EnjoyPBT, including both the regular and the blue mods. We'll post some photos when they arrive so you can see how they turned out. I know some people have raised concerns about ePBT's reverse dyesubbing. If the quality of the samples ends up being not so good we might consider going with someone else, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
We will also be offering two base kits, one with white and one with blue mods. ePBT's MOQ is for the total number of base kits, not per base kit as we assumed initially, so this won't affect the chances of not hitting MOQ. I will be updating the kit layouts with this change soon. This will make things a lot cheaper compared to buying the blue mods as an add-on. It does remove the option of buying just the blue mods to pair with either the OG keycaps or other keysets, but I think this change will make the majority happy.
Any chance of an NorDe kit? It's such a beautiful set, but sadly a no thanks without æøå for me.
Keep us informed on the progress and please, please, take care for EU vendor : )
I'm not sure why people decide to invest money into bright colored sets in ABS at all. Shine could be considered as a pro or as a con, depending on preferences. But potential yellowing of the keycaps is unacceptable IMO, yet it's not being mentioned that often I realized.
Any chance of an NorDe kit? It's such a beautiful set, but sadly a no thanks without æøå for me.
We might do a minimal NorDe kit with just the extra accented letters and stuff. For symbols there's not much point since they're all incorrect for ANSI too ;DKeep us informed on the progress and please, please, take care for EU vendor : )
Ryan and I are both European, we wouldn't run without oneI'm not sure why people decide to invest money into bright colored sets in ABS at all. Shine could be considered as a pro or as a con, depending on preferences. But potential yellowing of the keycaps is unacceptable IMO, yet it's not being mentioned that often I realized.
Yellowing isn't so much of a problem with modern, good quality ABS. Personally, while I was moving houses I ended up using my window sill as temporary keyboard storage for far too long (nearly a year lol). Some Tai Hao ABS keycaps ended up yellow AF, but my SP ABS caps were completely unaffected. Oddly enough, some cheapo PBT keycaps were actually bleached by the sunlight, so I guess you get what you pay for no matter what material you choose.
Regardless, you shouldn't have to worry about it for this set ;D
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I went through the posts here and suddenly realised it's been few months already since last update on the actual progress (samples order from June?). Has anything changed in that regard? Any tentative ETA for when we may expect GB to run?
Here are some updated the kit layouts. I'm pretty sure I took into account everyone's suggestions, but let me know if I missed something.
Colevrak, a blue base kit, and a normal legends kit are still TBC until we here back from ePBT about MOQs and stuff.
We've also created a discord server (https://discord.gg/NaxwtAa) for updates about this set and other projects Ryan and I are working on. Joining the discord is completely optional, all updates will still be posted here of course ;DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/2Ox0noU.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UnBLIGl.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FuMFqnY.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RuHNwQ9.png)
If new molds are made the skirts should be a bit longer to match OG Cherry's.
I also am a bit bothered by how the height and sometimes warping makes them seem more uneven that GMK keycaps.
But I'm glad that the makers of this set are taking their time to create test samples, and see if the new molds are working out. I think we're all waiting to see what kind of improvements have been in the works for EnjoyPBT.
Please add a Norde kit. It would rock.
showing interest in norde kit aswell :)
Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.
Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.
Tooling is always changing.
ePBT's molds were bad from everything after Slate until just now. They redid their molds around the end of 2020, and the new spacebars coming from Spectrum are said to be good.
So if it uses relatively fresh and new molds, it could be okay.
GMK, on the other hand, had significant problems from late 2019 to mid-2020. They are said to be retooling, but right now GMK is not a straightness guarantee over ePBT.
Will there be non homing F J and 5 keys?
Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.
Tooling is always changing.
ePBT's molds were bad from everything after Slate until just now. They redid their molds around the end of 2020, and the new spacebars coming from Spectrum are said to be good.
So if it uses relatively fresh and new molds, it could be okay.
GMK, on the other hand, had significant problems from late 2019 to mid-2020. They are said to be retooling, but right now GMK is not a straightness guarantee over ePBT.
Well, I purchased a recent ePBT set (Royal Alpha) and was unable to get my spacebars straight with either boiling water or a hair dryer. The stems of many the smaller spacebars were so warped/loose they were unusable. I think ABS spacebars, even for the smaller ones, is a fantastic idea.
Well, I purchased a recent ePBT set (Royal Alpha) and was unable to get my spacebars straight with either boiling water or a hair dryer. The stems of many the smaller spacebars were so warped/loose they were unusable. I think ABS spacebars, even for the smaller ones, is a fantastic idea.
This is a weird question, but does anyone know what this key did on the original typewriter? I'm having trouble finding any information online.
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Dear OP: Are you planning to add a standard number row and symbols? or is this set a retro-only-take-it-or-leave-it?
Dear OP: Are you planning to add a standard number row and symbols? or is this set a retro-only-take-it-or-leave-it?
Yes, there will be a kit with regular ANSI legends for those who need it
Update time
As of my previous update (over 10 months ago now) basically nothing has happened. We had requested samples with ePBT's new moulds which were supposed to improve reverse dyesub quality, amongst other things.
We recently heard back from ePBT that these new moulds still aren't finished. Every other recent ePBT GB has reverted to using the old moulds due to these delays. So today we've made the decision to have samples made with the old moulds instead.
If these samples turn out good, then we'll just run with the old moulds since I believe everyone is sick of waiting at this stage. Many recent ePBT groupbuys have turned out pretty well, so I'm hopeful this will be the case. I believe they have tweaked their processes in other ways to improve things like warping. If the samples are not so good we'll most likely put this project on hold and wait for new moulds or consider moving to another manufacturer.
I know this isn't great news, but hopefully we can still make this run at some point.
possibly the first time this has ever been posted on GH:
any chance for US ANSI kit? ;D
glwic :thumb:
edit: just saw above that keys will be available. only it's not just num row, also need a few alphas.
dr. ideus, congratulations! :thumb:
dr. derivative, i’m bummed out you don’t have ta origins in your signature any longer. but don’t worry, i’ll wait! ;D
dr. derivative, i’m bummed out you don’t have ta origins in your signature any longer. but don’t worry, i’ll wait! ;D
edit, 15 june: glad to see your signature back, dr. derivative!
esit, 17 june: disappointed to see ta origins removed from your signature, again
waiting eagerly for this beauty
Beautiful set. Looking forward to it! :thumb:
i will wait.... forever......
Any updates? This set looks sick!
Any updates? This set looks sick!
Will have an update soon
Yeah, given that pretty much the exact same set is readily available on Aliexpress I doubt this will run as originally designed any time soon.
Perhaps if we find a way to differentiate the sets... tripleshot maybe?