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Title: [IC] GMK Sparta - Launched on Drop.com
Post by: crusader_alex on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:02:18
(https://i.postimg.cc/XYsKsMyw/banner-3.jpg)

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As you all may know GMK Sparta run a few months and was cancelled due to a slow start.I am more than happy to announce that the set will indeed be returning and in GMK!!! There are a lot of things to be done,and that may take some time but please bear with me on this.A huge thank you to the people who helped me over the past few months and the people that encouraged me to run this again,y'all know who you are.

With that out of the way I present to you GMK Sparta



Colors


(https://i.postimg.cc/wvHQ5wGx/colors1.jpg)





The Spartans were some of the fiercest warriors of the ancient world,
the sound of their name alone caused fear in the hearts of their enemies.
However they were not only known for their prowess in the battlefield
but for their way of life as well.They led simple lives devoted to harsh training
in order to become soldiers of one of the greatest armies ever to walk the earth.


This set aims to capture the spirit of Sparta through the elegant yet striking colors
while staying historically true to their color palette.


The novelties include the tools that every Spartans life consists of.With an array
of great designs made by the amazing u/OneCreativeMind it's sure to cover all your
needs when out on the battlefield.



Now grab your shields,extend your spears and always remember

ἢ τὰν ἢ ἐπὶ τᾶς ... (come back with your shield or on it)



The Kits:



Base kit

(https://i.postimg.cc/59n7pc1T/1-base-kit-3.png)

Mono Greek Kit
(https://i.postimg.cc/nVdbFznW/3-greek-add-on-mono.png)

Dual Greek Kit
(https://i.postimg.cc/pXpNpHTL/2-greek-add-on-dual.png)

Novelties
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pqn03vMC/4-novelties.png)

Spacebars
(https://i.postimg.cc/7hq2m95K/5-space-bars-1.png)


Deskmats

(https://i.postimg.cc/vmkNqSHd/DM1.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/s2HcfnM0/DM2.jpg)

Important Note: The designs are slightly outdated, new renders coming soon




More Renders


(https://i.postimg.cc/fyc7mmTz/Mech27-Angle-1.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/8C7hwqPn/Mech27-Top.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SRBsPb1F/910-Top-1.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GmJ26LDv/910-Left.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/FFMj0xQz/910-Right.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vTR6YLz3/Custom-Angle.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/G2J1yCY0/Custom-Close.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/nznPNQs5/Custom-Top.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XJ2rLrWs/Sparta-Boards-v1-2019-Nov-23-05-09-16-AM-000-Customized-View209435.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/4yJgFPfG/Sparta-Boards-v1-2019-Nov-23-05-39-09-AM-000-Customized-View6135196403.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Xq8PD2Fp/Tofu-2020-Apr-25-10-27-33-AM-000-Customized-View2857255295-png.png)






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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: EnjoyMyInSec on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:07:12
Awsome set, really unique and the scheme is well thought good luck man !  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: voxkey on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:10:23
Looks great!

Might want to change around the text colors used in the post though. It's unreadable on the Geekhack light theme.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: mrpetrov on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:11:02
I really dig this!

The colorways are nice and different from the more on-trend blues and greys we've been seeing lately. I also adore the greek sublegends. Fantastic job, can't wait to see how this evolves.

With a pinch of luck this would look amazing paired with a bronze Dixiemech Bauer (or a port Rama U80!).

P.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: Rensuya on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:12:43
Nice theme, the novelties really fit it!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:18:26
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?

(https://deskthority.net/download/file.php?id=49119&sid=72ffced3fe5858245b3d03bd06999fa3)

I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.

Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: senryo on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:22:03
Oof..

Can there be a Greek only alpha, Im so going to join this gb!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: crusader_alex on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:26:11
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?

Show Image
(https://deskthority.net/download/file.php?id=49119&sid=72ffced3fe5858245b3d03bd06999fa3)


I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.

Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D
Thanks for your feedback! I will definitely take your suggestion under consideration.As far as R5 goes I don't think I'll do it just because i personally don't like the look and feel.



Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: vicissitude on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:33:56
Ok. I'll buy.
Just start GB quickly  :p :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: OneCreativeMind on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:42:26
This was super fun to work on, such a cool idea! Excited to see this go to IC :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:49:03
Needs more garnet.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: Emir on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:54:10
Consider changing the font color in the ic, can't read it using gh light theme. :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 22 July 2019, 09:58:20
Really like it  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: ThereminGoat on Mon, 22 July 2019, 10:04:05
I think the alphas look beautiful, and I really love the gold on white scheme. I just wish there was a full set of gold on white modifiers so I could have a full build with them!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: flying1911 on Mon, 22 July 2019, 10:25:44
Instant buy!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: BasicallyGod on Mon, 22 July 2019, 10:27:33
Consider changing the font color in the ic, can't read it using gh light theme. :)

There are dozens of us, dozens!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 22 July 2019, 10:31:21
There's not much point in having 1800 compat (R1 End, PgDn) separate from the numpad. Either move it to the numpad kit, or merge the numpad into base.

Your TKL mod legends are a bit inconsistent (PrtSc yet Pause/Break, Scroll Lock etc.). I suggest going with Print, Scroll, Pause, Caps, Num for a uniform one-line look across the board. These legends also fit the set's name better imo: Spartan something that is simple, austere and very straight to the point.

Further, R4 1.25u Menu is not a very useful key; consider replacing it with Fn. Fn can be used as a menu/app key just fine, whereas the opposite isn't really true. Personally, I'd also remove the stepped R3 Control as I think having the non-stepped version is enough.

Finally, consider adding extended 65% compat (R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn) to the base kit for all of us 65%/75% users who like different right columns or use split Backspace.

All of the compat/legend critique aside, I do quite like the colorway :)

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Mon, 22 July 2019, 10:41:07
Interested, that mixed greek kit look is one of my favorites!



Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 22 July 2019, 12:39:05
Great colors.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Mon, 22 July 2019, 12:51:52
Definitely in for Novelties
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: Acereconkeys on Mon, 22 July 2019, 13:14:01
+1 for not having duplicate legends on the greek kit looks really weird imo

Awesome set though will definitely be watching :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: infinitykw on Mon, 22 July 2019, 13:22:56
In for base and Greek kit.  Im buying three sets.  Also this is my favorite base kit layout (yessssssss accent spacebars)

Cant wait for the gb, please get started ASAP.

Huge support here.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 22 July 2019, 14:05:36
 all in on this one! love it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: Atlantic on Mon, 22 July 2019, 14:16:32
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?

Show Image
(https://deskthority.net/download/file.php?id=49119&sid=72ffced3fe5858245b3d03bd06999fa3)


I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.

Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D

+1 on the legends, look less messy and more classic imo
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: Macmutant on Mon, 22 July 2019, 14:28:17
I would prefer for the Numpad kit to be merged into the base kit. Love the Greek sub-legends, novelties, and color way. Very interested.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:05:05
If you do decide to get rid of duplicate legends, I'd suggest you merge the Greek kits in that case: it'll help reach MOQ.

Speaking of the Greek legends, once this gets farther along, you should double-check with GMK to make sure they're done properly. There are issues with the shapes of Θ, Ψ, Ω, Σ and ς in Cherry's original molds. In fact, all of the original Greek legends could use a bit of tweaking (for example, the Δ and Λ are a tad wider than they should be).

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: jimboytacos on Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:30:16
This is a beautiful set. I feel like the alphas letterings are a bit too bright. It almost looks like peaches and cream if I didnt know any better. I'd say use the dark red from the mods for the letterings on the alphas. See what that look like.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: mrpetrov on Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:42:23
I agree with Lightning's suggestion not to use double-Latin alpha legends, I think just having the greek sub legends is the less worse option. I would also include them in the base kit because I think it's such a huge selling and thematic feature of this excellent set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: CodeMayhem on Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:45:25
God dammit another one I gotta get
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:54:45
This is a beautiful set. I feel like the alphas letterings are a bit too bright. It almost looks like peaches and cream if I didnt know any better. I'd say use the dark red from the mods for the letterings on the alphas. See what that look like.

I like this idea. Some renders with the mod color for lettering would be nice to see.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: crusader_alex on Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:54:55
I agree with Lightning's suggestion not to use double-Latin alpha legends, I think just having the greek sub legends is the less worse option. I would also include them in the base kit because I think it's such a huge selling and thematic feature of this excellent set.

Yeah i agree with you,the original plan was actually to have the greek sublegends in the base so it's quite a big possibity that it will happen since a few people suggested it.Thanks for your feedback!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: arrowM on Mon, 22 July 2019, 18:51:27
Yes! I've been wanting a Greek-alphabet keyset for ages. The last really good one I saw was GMK Greek Olivetti (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97079.0), but sadly it never saw the light of day. Let's make GMK Sparta happen!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: vicissitude on Mon, 22 July 2019, 18:58:26
Another must-buy this year.
Hope it coming soon.
Will there be spacebar kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: utsukishi on Mon, 22 July 2019, 19:13:20
monkey man thinks this should happen already, color me interested
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: euphxenos on Mon, 22 July 2019, 19:48:48
I like it.  Any chance of an R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: zeldridge on Mon, 22 July 2019, 20:10:12
Would there be a chance of getting this rendered on a Rama U80-A port???
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 22 July 2019, 20:45:40
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?

I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.

Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D

This basically.

Also I'm not interested in the colourway personally but what I am VERY interested in is the Greek.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: surfortuna on Tue, 23 July 2019, 14:56:32
This is nice! Well done!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: mountainblocks on Tue, 23 July 2019, 15:45:05
I love this colorway and the Greek sub legends clinch it for me. All in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: MdotMaxson on Thu, 25 July 2019, 04:18:26
GMK USC?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: josephchoi on Thu, 25 July 2019, 04:48:14
Love it :p :p :p :p :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: nightinx on Thu, 25 July 2019, 05:25:56
i need this set all in!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 25 July 2019, 16:31:36
QUESTION: did GMK actually make the correct mold for the W/ς key? AFAIR (though I could be wrong), back when the Greek Olivetti set was in the design stage, they did NOT have it (and had the very, very incorrect W/ keycap mold instead). If this IC goes to GB, this NEEDS to be tended to, so as not to hit buyers (either Greeks, or with OCD, or Greeks with OCD) with an unpleasant surprise.


Besides this, please review the ISO support in the base kit. As it stands now, the mods (left Shift and ISO Enter) are fine, but the alphas are in that weird space in between US ISO and UK ISO, without actually fulfilling either set. There are two solutions to this: go ahead with full UK ISO support (adding the missing ` 2" 3 keys in R1) or scale back to US ISO support (replacing the two R3 '@ #~ keys with a single R3 \| key). I'd go with the latter, but WDIKAA.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 25 July 2019, 16:34:06
On strictly subjective notes:

1) If it were for me, I'd go either with Greek only or full dual English/Greek legends on the alphas. Looks weird (TO ME) otherwise.

2) I think I'd like this set much better if the alphas used the reddish brown instead of the ochre. Ochre on brown for the mods (and brown on ochred for the accents) looks great, though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 25 July 2019, 17:48:56
QUESTION: did GMK actually make the correct mold for the W/ς key? AFAIR (though I could be wrong), back when the Greek Olivetti set was in the design stage, they did NOT have it (and had the very, very incorrect W/ keycap mold instead). If this IC goes to GB, this NEEDS to be tended to, so as not to hit buyers (either Greeks, or with OCD, or Greeks with OCD) with an unpleasant surprise.

Yeah, and those aren't the only legends that are problematic. As I mentioned earlier:
Speaking of the Greek legends, once this gets farther along, you should double-check with GMK to make sure they're done properly. There are issues with the shapes of Θ, Ψ, Ω, Σ and ς in Cherry's original molds. In fact, all of the original Greek legends could use a bit of tweaking (for example, the Δ and Λ are a tad wider than they should be).


Besides this, please review the ISO support in the base kit. As it stands now, the mods (left Shift and ISO Enter) are fine, but the alphas are in that weird space in between US ISO and UK ISO, without actually fulfilling either set. There are two solutions to this: go ahead with full UK ISO support (adding the missing ` 2" 3 keys in R1) or scale back to US ISO support (replacing the two R3 '@ #~ keys with a single R3 \| key). I'd go with the latter, but WDIKAA.

Agreed, imo they should be replaced with a single R3 \|. Also, the most correct R4 key for “ISO-US” would actually be <>| (the | being a sublegend).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 25 July 2019, 18:03:49
Besides this, please review the ISO support in the base kit. As it stands now, the mods (left Shift and ISO Enter) are fine, but the alphas are in that weird space in between US ISO and UK ISO, without actually fulfilling either set. There are two solutions to this: go ahead with full UK ISO support (adding the missing ` 2" 3 keys in R1) or scale back to US ISO support (replacing the two R3 '@ #~ keys with a single R3 \| key). I'd go with the latter, but WDIKAA.

Also, the most correct R4 key for ISO-US would actually be <>| (the | being a sublegend).

I disagree here. While the old terminal keyboards indeed had < > in the R4 key between (short) left Shift and Z, the "US ISO" standard calls for either that key or the R3 on the side of ISO Enter to have the \ and | symbols. On "proper" ISO keyboards, you can have the R3 key to be \| and the R4 key to be <> without fuss, but on ISANSI hybrid keyboards, this presents a problem; that is why there needs to be an R4 \| key (now, if the <> key can be tacked on, as well, better, but \| the key needs to be present).

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 25 July 2019, 19:04:58
I disagree here. While the old terminal keyboards indeed had < > in the R4 key between (short) left Shift and Z, the "US ISO" standard calls for either that key or the R3 on the side of ISO Enter to have the \ and | symbols. On "proper" ISO keyboards, you can have the R3 key to be \| and the R4 key to be <> without fuss, but on ISANSI hybrid keyboards, this presents a problem; that is why there needs to be an R4 \| key (now, if the <> key can be tacked on, as well, better, but \| the key needs to be present).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no ISO-US standard (which is why I put it in quotes). The closest thing we have is what's used in practice on systems that have layouts like this (e.g. Ubuntu):

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Also, I don't get this part: “on ISANSI hybrid keyboards, this presents a problem; that is why there needs to be an R4 \| key”. Why does it present a problem? I think you can have \| on R3 and <>| on R4, no problem at all. I don't think ISO–ANSI hybrid keyboards that have split LShift but no ISO Enter are all that common.

I'd say that the R3 key should be \| since it's just moving there from it's usual R2 1.5u spot because of the different Enter shape. And I don't think many people would disagree with me. As for the R4 key, if you don't want duplicate keys (and if you want to be “proper” per the image above), put <>| there; otherwise, \| is fine too.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 25 July 2019, 19:11:32
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?

Show Image
(https://deskthority.net/download/file.php?id=49119&sid=72ffced3fe5858245b3d03bd06999fa3)


I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.

Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D
I'd buy a set if you made these changes. I love the colour scheme and concept, but the duplicate legends and lack of R5 are dealbreakers for me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 25 July 2019, 20:30:35

Also, I don't get this part: on ISANSI hybrid keyboards, this presents a problem; that is why there needs to be an R4 \| key. Why does it present a problem? I think you can have \| on R3 and <>| on R4, no problem at all. I don't think ISOANSI hybrid keyboards that have split LShift but no ISO Enter are all that common.

Sorry, I forgot this is a different thread from the "On ISO" shirtshow. I'll explain here:

- ANSI keyboards: 2.25U left Shift & 2.25U horizontal Enter.
- ISO keyboards: 1.25U left Shift (+ 1U alpha) & 1.25/1.5U vertical Enter.

Since these two variants are independent of each other, you can easily have two hybrid variants:

- ANSISO: 2.25U left Shift & 1.25/1.5U vertical Enter (common in Ortek keyboards and some Chinese clones).
- ISANSI: 1.25U left Shift (+ 1U alpha) & 2.25U horizontal Enter (common in cheap-ass keyboards and some Chinese clones).

For an ANSISO hybrid keyboard with the US English layout ("US ISO-ish"), you simply replace the R2 \| 1.5U key with the R3 \| 1.0 key.

For an ISANSI hybrid keyboard with the US English layout ("US ANSI-ish"), you can actually use BOTH R2 \| 1.5U and R4 1.0U keys (or the R2 \| 1.5U key and the R4 <>| key)... on a "normal" form factor. HOWEVER... on some compact keyboards (sub-TKL), the Backspace is split into two and the R2 1.5 key made into an HHKB-style Backspace key (meaning that the R4 \| key is the only one of the two \| keys that can be used).


I'd say that the R3 key should be \| since it's just moving there from it's usual R2 1.5u spot because of the different Enter shape. And I don't think many people would disagree with me. As for the R4 key, if you don't want duplicate keys (and if you want to be proper per the image above), put <>| there; otherwise, \| is fine too.

In a nutshell, what we are proposing for ISO support on the base kit is simply to add four keys there: (mod-colored) ISO Enter key, 1.25U left Shift key, and both R3 and R4 \| keys, so maximum compatibility for US ISO can be achieved (UK support, which requires five further keys, should be not part of the base kit, but part of an international kit, like NORDEUK). An R4 <> (not <>| ) key could be added as well, if the designer should want it so.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 25 July 2019, 20:58:50
Cool, I learned some new vocabulary today (ANSISO/ISANSI), thanks. To address a couple of your points:

- ISANSI: 1.25U left Shift (+ 1U alpha) & 2.25U horizontal Enter (common in cheap-ass keyboards and some Chinese clones).
So pretty much what I said: almost no boards that could benefit from custom keycaps use that layout.

HOWEVER... on some compact keyboards (sub-TKL), the Backspace is split into two and the R2 1.5 key made into an HHKB-style Backspace key (meaning that the R4 \| key is the only one of the two \| keys that can be used).
And in that case, the \| key would most commonly be found on R1, above the 1.5u Backspace. The R1 \| is included in virtually all sets.

In a nutshell, what we are proposing for ISO support on the base kit is simply to add four keys there: (mod-colored) ISO Enter key, 1.25U left Shift key, and both R3 and R4 \| keys, so maximum compatibility for US ISO can be achieved (UK support, which requires five further keys, should be not part of the base kit, but part of an international kit, like NORDEUK). An R4 <>| key could be added as well, if the designer should want it so.
And that's what I'm proposing as well, absolutely — except, I'm saying that the ISANSI edge case is so obscure that it's not worth considering, and it's pretty much up to the designer whether they want to have a R4 \| or R4 <>| key. In terms of technical correctness, <>| is more appropriate, but, again, it should be down to preference. For example, this set and Oblivion went with \|, Firefly chose to go with <>|.

Anyway, I feel like we're hijacking the thread somewhat with this discussion, so we should probably stop here and go back to talking about the rest of the set :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: crusader_alex on Fri, 26 July 2019, 05:54:18
QUESTION: did GMK actually make the correct mold for the W/ς key? AFAIR (though I could be wrong), back when the Greek Olivetti set was in the design stage, they did NOT have it (and had the very, very incorrect W/ keycap mold instead). If this IC goes to GB, this NEEDS to be tended to, so as not to hit buyers (either Greeks, or with OCD, or Greeks with OCD) with an unpleasant surprise.


Besides this, please review the ISO support in the base kit. As it stands now, the mods (left Shift and ISO Enter) are fine, but the alphas are in that weird space in between US ISO and UK ISO, without actually fulfilling either set. There are two solutions to this: go ahead with full UK ISO support (adding the missing ` 2" 3 keys in R1) or scale back to US ISO support (replacing the two R3 '@ #~ keys with a single R3 \| key). I'd go with the latter, but WDIKAA.

Yeah all the molds are fixed,GMK themselves confirmed that.As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.I will release an update soon with fixes in the kits and some more renders.Thanks for your feedback!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: eskimojo on Sat, 27 July 2019, 13:32:43
Besides this, please review the ISO support in the base kit. As it stands now, the mods (left Shift and ISO Enter) are fine, but the alphas are in that weird space in between US ISO and UK ISO, without actually fulfilling either set. There are two solutions to this: go ahead with full UK ISO support (adding the missing ` 2" 3 keys in R1) or scale back to US ISO support (replacing the two R3 '@ #~ keys with a single R3 \| key). I'd go with the latter, but WDIKAA.

As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.I will release an update soon with fixes in the kits and some more renders.Thanks for your feedback!
Awesome to hear this, ISO UK keys mean a lot to me  :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 27 July 2019, 13:54:28
As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.

I'd advise against adding ISO-UK, baseline ISO support (4 keys) will help reduce the cost of the base kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: eskimojo on Sat, 27 July 2019, 13:56:29
As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.

I'd advise against adding ISO-UK, baseline ISO support (4 keys) will help reduce the cost of the base kit.
you make me sad
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 27 July 2019, 14:03:07
you make me sad

Sorry :(

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: Hell-es on Sun, 28 July 2019, 01:59:44
As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.

I'd advise against adding ISO-UK, baseline ISO support (4 keys) will help reduce the cost of the base kit.

Has someone every made a comparison for that ? Whats the real price difference with adding these keys?

Same for Numpad ...

Would apriciate the 4 iso uk keys - and even Numpad in base. 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 28 July 2019, 04:46:11
I'd advise against adding ISO-UK, baseline ISO support (4 keys) will help reduce the cost of the base kit.

Has someone every made a comparison for that ? Whats the real price difference with adding these keys?

Check the On the availability of ISO thread in the main Keyboards section of the forums.

I didn't quite get the whole argument across in my previous post, my bad. It's not just that adding full ISO-UK support increases the cost of the base kit by some $5$10, but it also doesn't offer any substantial benefits over baseline ISO support for most users.

Another facet of the argument is: why is ISO-UK special and why should it be preferred over other ISO layouts with a similar number of extra keys and similar number of users joining GBs? The argument of that's how it's usually been done in the past isn't really valid, and is rightfully being brought into question now.

These and some other points are why baseline ISO support (4 keys) is a good compromise for most sets.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: nsmk on Sun, 28 July 2019, 06:34:54
Nice set! A must buy for me.  :D

Also second spacebar kit. Or gimme a hint on the color here so I can snag a spacebar kit from some other set  :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: crusader_alex on Wed, 31 July 2019, 17:33:59
A small update:

So after gathering some data i am updating/changing some of the kits.

The base kit is now featuring the mixed greek legends (please ingnore the barred keys in the render)

(https://i.postimg.cc/3R7FLYj4/Kit-Base-Greek.jpg)


Now that means that i can cut down on kits making MOQ much easier to hit across everything.That said i know that these legends are not everyones cup of tea so i'd like to request that you take the time to
tell me what you prefer here:

https://www.strawpoll.me/18406295




Here are some new renders:

(https://i.postimg.cc/prWkdRpb/Baguette-Step-1-2019-Jul-23-04-51-10-PM-000-Customized-View28853791.png)

(https://i.postimg.cc/NjznP9Ly/baguette-render.png)








Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 31 July 2019, 17:50:02
A small update:

So after gathering some data i am updating/changing some of the kits.

The base kit is now featuring the mixed greek legends (please ingnore the barred keys in the render)

Show Image
(https://i.postimg.cc/3R7FLYj4/Kit-Base-Greek.jpg)



Now that means that i can cut down on kits making MOQ much easier to hit across everything.That said i know that these legends are not everyones cup of tea so i'd like to request that you take the time to
tell me what you prefer here:

https://www.strawpoll.me/18406295
Not so keen on sublegends, but probably not a deal breaker for me.

Is the plan still to add the rest of ISO UK?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 31 July 2019, 18:08:03
x
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 31 July 2019, 18:11:50
A small update:

So after gathering some data i am updating/changing some of the kits.


i'd like to request that you take the time to tell me what you prefer here:



I have only one criticism regarding the chosen keys:

PLEASE correct the ISO support. Right now, you're doing "Atlantis ISO" (incomplete support for both US ISO and UK ISO the set is "halfway" to either side of the pond), which is the worst option. *I* (obdis.: YMMV, NMCTM, WDIKAA) would go with US ISO support, which will require adding the R3 \| key and dropping the R3 #~ and '@ keys from the latest kit.


Other comments:

- I absolutely dig having both sets of colors for the arrows. Knowing myself, I'll probably use one of them in a mix-and-match keyboard with some other kit.

- Is split space bar support a possibility?

- I'd like the set even better if the alphas used the brown color instead of the ochre tone, but I know that this is strictly subjective and not my call to make at all.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: timbaaa on Wed, 31 July 2019, 22:34:07
I can't help but feel disappointed with the merging of Greek legends, but I totally understand.
I voted for Latin only. Fingers crossed that this set gets enough interest to warrant two separate sets.
Hopefully the poll will give a clearer picture.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: baye12928 on Thu, 01 August 2019, 03:26:36
I love this design, looks really elegant!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: NRbigfoot on Thu, 01 August 2019, 07:02:23
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?

Show Image
(https://deskthority.net/download/file.php?id=49119&sid=72ffced3fe5858245b3d03bd06999fa3)


I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.

Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D

I agree with Lightning in not using double Latin-legends. I think this way looks much cleaner and more interesting.
+1 to R5 as well
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: JSaintS on Thu, 01 August 2019, 07:59:52
I much prefer the merged alphas in the core kit, but that is personnal. I would like to see a render with the alpha legend switched to the modifiers' red as it as been mentioned earlier in the post, just to see how it looks.

Other than that, I'm in, as I already stated :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: jani80k on Thu, 01 August 2019, 08:26:03
Wow, nice colorway!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 01 August 2019, 16:28:36
There's not much point in having 1800 compat (R1 End, PgDn) separate from the numpad. Please move it to the numpad kit.

Your TKL mod legends are a bit inconsistent (PrtSc yet Pause/Break, Scroll Lock etc.). I suggest going with Print, Scroll, Pause, Caps, Num for a uniform one-line look across the board. These legends also fit the set's name better imo: Spartan something that is simple, austere and very straight to the point.

Personally, I'd also remove the stepped R3 Control as I think having the non-stepped version is enough.

Finally, consider adding extended 65% compat (R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn) to the base kit for all of us 65%/75% users who like different right columns or use split Backspace.

All of this still stands. Moving R1 End, PgDn to the numpad kit and adding R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to the base kit in their place especially makes a lot of sense.

And yes, drop the faux ISO-UK support (R3 '@, #~) and add a R3 \| instead.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 01 August 2019, 16:36:51
There's not much point in having 1800 compat (R1 End, PgDn) separate from the numpad. Please move it to the numpad kit.

Your TKL mod legends are a bit inconsistent (PrtSc yet Pause/Break, Scroll Lock etc.). I suggest going with Print, Scroll, Pause, Caps, Num for a uniform one-line look across the board. These legends also fit the set's name better imo: Spartan something that is simple, austere and very straight to the point.

Personally, I'd also remove the stepped R3 Control as I think having the non-stepped version is enough.

Finally, consider adding extended 65% compat (R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn) to the base kit for all of us 65%/75% users who like different right columns or use split Backspace.

All of this still stands. Moving R1 End, PgDn to the numpad kit and adding R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to the base kit in their place especially makes a lot of sense.

And yes, drop the faux ISO-UK support (R3 '@, #~) and add a R3 \| instead.

orrr add real ISO UK support (R1 `, 2", 3)   ;) ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 01 August 2019, 16:42:06
orrr add real ISO UK support (R1 `, 2", 3)   ;) ;)

That's a valid option too (albeit one I wouldn't recommend) :D As long as it isn't neither here nor there.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: megaforce on Fri, 02 August 2019, 18:44:04
gmk usc
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: MdotMaxson on Mon, 05 August 2019, 06:44:13
I already beat you to the GMK usc. Nice try.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: bthezebra on Mon, 05 August 2019, 07:50:17
GMK ASU Frat .....jk looks good.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: crusader_alex on Sat, 10 August 2019, 05:18:55
Another update

After hearing your feedback i believe i have finalized the kits

Updated kits

Base:

(https://i.postimg.cc/j28dqhnL/new-base.jpg)

Numpad:

(https://i.postimg.cc/g0SWZ0kT/new-numpad.jpg)



There have been a fair amount of changes here

First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
Another notable change is the removal of the 1800 support from the base because as some people noted there is no support without the numpad anyway and therefore the required keys have been moved to the numpad kit.Additionally the MENU key has been changed to FN.Last but not least an R3 Pgup and R4 Pgdn have been added.

I am also happy to announce that Daily Clack will be our Oceania proxy for this set.

Now things to do:

1)Submit the new kits to GMK for pricing

2)Work out GB dates

3) Collabs (?)


As always thank you for supporting this set and i hope we can make it a reality!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 10 August 2019, 06:37:07
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.

But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.

All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.

All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: crusader_alex on Sat, 10 August 2019, 07:02:31
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.

But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.

All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.

All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:

Yes i suppose i phrased that quite poorly.What i am basically doing here is offering the basic ISO support that many other sets have offered in the past but i might look into the change you mentioned,if a number of ISO users request it that is.Thanks for your feedback!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 10 August 2019, 08:07:07
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.

But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.

All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.

All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:

Yes i suppose i phrased that quite poorly.What i am basically doing here is offering the basic ISO support that many other sets have offered in the past but i might look into the change you mentioned,if a number of ISO users request it that is.Thanks for your feedback!

Yeah, many sets in the past got it wrong (and in various degrees, to boot) that's why I and a few others are working raise awareness and ensure those mistakes won't be repeated; after all, we all want our keycap sets to be perfect! :)

You may want to look at the way oblotzky does his sets: basic ISO support in the base kit, by adding four keys (short left Shift, mod-colored Enter, R3 \| and R4 \|) or five (those four plus an accent-Colored ISO Enter).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: eskimojo on Sat, 10 August 2019, 13:57:55
Shame about the ISO, but I understand the decision.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: nsmk on Sat, 10 August 2019, 17:21:01
Is there any chance for adding split space bar support? Personally, would be cool to have.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sat, 10 August 2019, 18:00:00
no 1800 support on a kit with num pad?? nvm i'm blind
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: crusader_alex on Sat, 10 August 2019, 19:31:08
Is there any chance for adding split space bar support? Personally, would be cool to have.

Unfortunately a spacebar kit will not be a thing most likely,it would make the number of kits pretty high making it signifcantly harder to hit moq in all of them
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: euphxenos on Sat, 10 August 2019, 21:16:45
Is the profile for this 112344, or something else?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: Acereconkeys on Sun, 11 August 2019, 00:24:16
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?

Show Image
(https://deskthority.net/download/file.php?id=49119&sid=72ffced3fe5858245b3d03bd06999fa3)


I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.

Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D

I agree with Lightning in not using double Latin-legends. I think this way looks much cleaner and more interesting.
+1 to R5 as well

+1 to the not using double latin legends and r5
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: lush_bunny on Sun, 11 August 2019, 00:32:40
Sick set. I would be interested in an Greek Only Alpha set tho.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: sozo on Sun, 11 August 2019, 03:02:28
Looking forward to this set! Love the greek alphas
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: nsmk on Sun, 11 August 2019, 03:44:41
Is there any chance for adding split space bar support? Personally, would be cool to have.

Unfortunately a spacebar kit will not be a thing most likely,it would make the number of kits pretty high making it signifcantly harder to hit moq in all of them

Alright, not a deal breaker by any means. Definitely still in :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 11 August 2019, 19:02:03
Another update

After hearing your feedback i believe i have finalized the kits

Updated kits

[...]

There have been a fair amount of changes here

First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
Another notable change is the removal of the 1800 support from the base because as some people noted there is no support without the numpad anyway and therefore the required keys have been moved to the numpad kit.Additionally the MENU key has been changed to FN.Last but not least an R3 Pgup and R4 Pgdn have been added.

+1 to all of these changes. You're almost there. A few things still seem “off” to me, so I'll list them here:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: ideus on Sun, 11 August 2019, 21:39:20
What base colors are the alphas?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: VelourFog on Sun, 11 August 2019, 22:54:54
I wonder what Civilization players would think of these keycaps...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: trg1234 on Mon, 12 August 2019, 00:31:28
Watching this set closely. I love the idea and the execution. The people in the thread are offering good suggestions and it looks like you are listening so thats good to see. Excited to see how it goes!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: crusader_alex on Mon, 12 August 2019, 00:48:26
Another update

After hearing your feedback i believe i have finalized the kits

Updated kits

[...]

There have been a fair amount of changes here

First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
Another notable change is the removal of the 1800 support from the base because as some people noted there is no support without the numpad anyway and therefore the required keys have been moved to the numpad kit.Additionally the MENU key has been changed to FN.Last but not least an R3 Pgup and R4 Pgdn have been added.

+1 to all of these changes. You're almost there. A few things still seem off to me, so I'll list them here:
  • What bothers me the most is that Pause↲Break legend. It really has no place in this set. There's no SysRq legend under the PrtSc key, so why should there be a Break legend under Pause? Please be a sweetheart and remove it :)
  • On a related note, have you considered replacing Caps↲Lock, Scroll↲Lock, Num↲Lock with just Caps, Scroll, Num? I believe I've said this before, but I think it'll look cleaner, and also fit the set's core idea of spartan austerity better. (In that case you should probably also use Print instead of PrtSc.)
  • I agree with the others about ISO compatibility: R3 #~ should be replaced with R3 \|.
  • I don't see a barred homing 5 in the numpad kit; you may want to add it.
  • Think about whether stepped 1.75u Control and 2u Shift are really necessary in the base kit. There's no 6u spacebar or 1.75u Function, so I don't think these are required either.


These are definitely some helpful notes and i will take them under consideration.To answer your last point i don't  believe a 6u spacebar is required to have those keys you mentioned.I for one use the stepped control whenever it's available in a set and
i think the 2u shift is required in some 60% layouts that use a 6.25u spacebar (gk64 etc) so it's nice to have.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: koenoe on Wed, 14 August 2019, 04:05:43
Set of the year, love everything about it. Thank you!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 15 August 2019, 04:26:24
[...]

Think about whether stepped 1.75u Control and 2u Shift are really necessary in the base kit. There's no 6u spacebar or 1.75u Function, so I don't think these are required either.

These are definitely some helpful notes and i will take them under consideration.To answer your last point i don't  believe a 6u spacebar is required to have those keys you mentioned.I for one use the stepped control whenever it's available in a set and
i think the 2u shift is required in some 60% layouts that use a 6.25u spacebar (gk64 etc) so it's nice to have.

Thanks for taking my feedback into consideration.

I believe there was a slight misunderstand regarding the 1.75u Function and 6u spacebar I mentioned. I wasn't trying to say that these keys are required to have 1.75 stepped Control or 2u Shift rather, I was listing them as examples of two more keys that are uncommon but are still used sometimes (just like 1.75u stepped Control and 2u Shift). The point I was trying to make was: if you're not including the two keys I mentioned, maybe the other two keys are also unnecessary?

Regarding 2u Shift in particular: While you're correct that the GK64 layout uses that key, it also uses a 1u Shift and a 1u Del on the other side. There's another, similar 60% layout (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/7e3c23bb069844b43eec595d0f53c751) that uses two 2u Shifts. Although your support for these layouts is, therefore, incomplete, I still understand if you want to include a 2u Shift to at least support the GK64 layout physically. But again, I don't think these layouts are common enough (even though I use / have used both of them myself) to warrant including a 2u Shift in a stripped down base kit such as this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
Post by: ideus on Thu, 15 August 2019, 09:56:17
What base colors are the alphas?
Is it written somewhere? What base color are the alphas?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Thu, 15 August 2019, 16:50:27
I suggest merging the mono and mixed Greek kits and dropping the keys where the sublegends are redundant.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: varzaman on Fri, 16 August 2019, 18:34:14
Great looking set and I am a fan of the final design. I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: FredBananaz on Thu, 22 August 2019, 03:52:42
Count me in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Thu, 22 August 2019, 12:59:36
Really love the colors on the alphas! All of the colors are lovely, but the mods are just too close to GMK Samurai for me (though I guess if you had that set you could make a pure dark yellow on dark red set). Novelties are on point except for the enter ones imo.

Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: varzaman on Thu, 22 August 2019, 14:15:13
Another update

After hearing your feedback i believe i have finalized the kits

Updated kits

[...]

There have been a fair amount of changes here

First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
Another notable change is the removal of the 1800 support from the base because as some people noted there is no support without the numpad anyway and therefore the required keys have been moved to the numpad kit.Additionally the MENU key has been changed to FN.Last but not least an R3 Pgup and R4 Pgdn have been added.

+1 to all of these changes. You're almost there. A few things still seem off to me, so I'll list them here:
  • What bothers me the most is that Pause↲Break legend. It really has no place in this set. There's no SysRq legend under the PrtSc key, so why should there be a Break legend under Pause? Please be a sweetheart and remove it :)
  • On a related note, have you considered replacing Caps↲Lock, Scroll↲Lock, Num↲Lock with just Caps, Scroll, Num? I believe I've said this before, but I think it'll look cleaner, and also fit the set's core idea of spartan austerity better. (In that case you should probably also use Print instead of PrtSc.)
  • I agree with the others about ISO compatibility: R3 #~ should be replaced with R3 \|.
  • I don't see a barred homing 5 in the numpad kit; you may want to add it.
  • Think about whether stepped 1.75u Control and 2u Shift are really necessary in the base kit. There's no 6u spacebar or 1.75u Function, so I don't think these are required either.


These are definitely some helpful notes and i will take them under consideration.To answer your last point i don't  believe a 6u spacebar is required to have those keys you mentioned.I for one use the stepped control whenever it's available in a set and
i think the 2u shift is required in some 60% layouts that use a 6.25u spacebar (gk64 etc) so it's nice to have.

I agree on the notes about simplifying the labeling. It would look a lot cleaner.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: trg1234 on Thu, 22 August 2019, 14:20:22
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.

This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.

Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. Im primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.

No comment on iso.

So far looking pretty good.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: crusader_alex on Fri, 23 August 2019, 08:40:18
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.

This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.

Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. Im primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.

No comment on iso.

So far looking pretty good.


I would like to do a spacebar kit but the number of kits would be too high making it way harder to hit MOQ on the other child kits,i am trying to work out some solutions to this though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Fri, 23 August 2019, 10:51:04
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.

This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.

Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. Im primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.

No comment on iso.

So far looking pretty good.


I would like to do a spacebar kit but the number of kits would be too high making it way harder to hit MOQ on the other child kits,i am trying to work out some solutions to this though.

6 kits isn't an egregious amount, but if we're throwing out suggestions to keep it to 5 kits, my vote would be to just incorporate the numpad into the base kit and then add a spacebars kit. My argument for this is there are likely more people interested in an ANSI + numpad than ISO (even if ISO users are more vocal, very few actually show up to buy kits...); so if I'm subsidizing ISO in the base, then ISO people can subsidize my numpad keys in the base kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: trg1234 on Fri, 23 August 2019, 12:03:15
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.

This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.

Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. Im primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.

No comment on iso.

So far looking pretty good.


I would like to do a spacebar kit but the number of kits would be too high making it way harder to hit MOQ on the other child kits,i am trying to work out some solutions to this though.

6 kits isn't an egregious amount, but if we're throwing out suggestions to keep it to 5 kits, my vote would be to just incorporate the numpad into the base kit and then add a spacebars kit. My argument for this is there are likely more people interested in an ANSI + numpad than ISO (even if ISO users are more vocal, very few actually show up to buy kits...); so if I'm subsidizing ISO in the base, then ISO people can subsidize my numpad keys in the base kit.

3 things

1 consider dropping either the mono legends or sublegends depending on interest. If they really are 50/50 then oh well but first gather some data through some Google forms or what not ask on discord and stuff.

2 The numpad kit solo irks me somewhat as people usually pair that with iso as both need support to hit moq from each other. I kind of agree that you should either incorporate numpad into base or take iso into numpad. My personal vote is on the latter.

3 lastly remember to talk to vendors on their opinions and stuff since they have a lot of numbers from previous runs they have done and a lot more experience. Would take their advice more closely than people posting here including myself
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Fri, 23 August 2019, 12:40:16
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.

This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.

Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. Im primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.

No comment on iso.

So far looking pretty good.


I would like to do a spacebar kit but the number of kits would be too high making it way harder to hit MOQ on the other child kits,i am trying to work out some solutions to this though.

6 kits isn't an egregious amount, but if we're throwing out suggestions to keep it to 5 kits, my vote would be to just incorporate the numpad into the base kit and then add a spacebars kit. My argument for this is there are likely more people interested in an ANSI + numpad than ISO (even if ISO users are more vocal, very few actually show up to buy kits...); so if I'm subsidizing ISO in the base, then ISO people can subsidize my numpad keys in the base kit.

3 things

1 consider dropping either the mono legends or sublegends depending on interest. If they really are 50/50 then oh well but first gather some data through some Google forms or what not ask on discord and stuff.

2 The numpad kit solo irks me somewhat as people usually pair that with iso as both need support to hit moq from each other. I kind of agree that you should either incorporate numpad into base or take iso into numpad. My personal vote is on the latter.

3 lastly remember to talk to vendors on their opinions and stuff since they have a lot of numbers from previous runs they have done and a lot more experience. Would take their advice more closely than people posting here including myself

I'm torn on your first point; but I think making an executive decision on doing one or the other would go a long way to actually getting those kits run. It's a totally arbitrary aesthetic choice that will vary from person to person. Maybe combining the mono/sublegends kit into one "antiquities" or "It's all Greek to me" kit might be an option since the mono legends would only add 11 more keys to the sublegends kit (one overlapping key between kits) or maybe cutting out keys from the sublegends kit that are just two of the same letter (same keys cut as in the mono kit) though I'm sure mixed mono/sublegends would bug some people. I'm just thinking that if one alpha kit is gonna get cut based on popularity of past japanese mono/sublegend kit performance it's the mono (which is unfortunate because that's the kit I would want between the two). I think there's a way to run both mono/sublegend kits as one but think that having them split most likely will mean a higher possibility of neither actually getting run.

The other two points I can definitely get behind though I prefer just adding numpad to the basekit. Talking to vendors is definitely something to do to before finalizing kits and getting this set run.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: crusader_alex on Mon, 26 August 2019, 07:13:51
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.

This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.

Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. Im primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.

No comment on iso.

So far looking pretty good.


I would like to do a spacebar kit but the number of kits would be too high making it way harder to hit MOQ on the other child kits,i am trying to work out some solutions to this though.

6 kits isn't an egregious amount, but if we're throwing out suggestions to keep it to 5 kits, my vote would be to just incorporate the numpad into the base kit and then add a spacebars kit. My argument for this is there are likely more people interested in an ANSI + numpad than ISO (even if ISO users are more vocal, very few actually show up to buy kits...); so if I'm subsidizing ISO in the base, then ISO people can subsidize my numpad keys in the base kit.

3 things

1 consider dropping either the mono legends or sublegends depending on interest. If they really are 50/50 then oh well but first gather some data through some Google forms or what not ask on discord and stuff.

2 The numpad kit solo irks me somewhat as people usually pair that with iso as both need support to hit moq from each other. I kind of agree that you should either incorporate numpad into base or take iso into numpad. My personal vote is on the latter.

3 lastly remember to talk to vendors on their opinions and stuff since they have a lot of numbers from previous runs they have done and a lot more experience. Would take their advice more closely than people posting here including myself

I'm torn on your first point; but I think making an executive decision on doing one or the other would go a long way to actually getting those kits run. It's a totally arbitrary aesthetic choice that will vary from person to person. Maybe combining the mono/sublegends kit into one "antiquities" or "It's all Greek to me" kit might be an option since the mono legends would only add 11 more keys to the sublegends kit (one overlapping key between kits) or maybe cutting out keys from the sublegends kit that are just two of the same letter (same keys cut as in the mono kit) though I'm sure mixed mono/sublegends would bug some people. I'm just thinking that if one alpha kit is gonna get cut based on popularity of past japanese mono/sublegend kit performance it's the mono (which is unfortunate because that's the kit I would want between the two). I think there's a way to run both mono/sublegend kits as one but think that having them split most likely will mean a higher possibility of neither actually getting run.

The other two points I can definitely get behind though I prefer just adding numpad to the basekit. Talking to vendors is definitely something to do to before finalizing kits and getting this set run.
Most of these things are being worked on right now,for one the base and numpad are being merged as it will help keep the kit number down and help with the MOQ for both.Additionally i will most likely be cutting one of the Greek kits because realistically if there are 2 language kits none of the two will make MOQ.There will be a poll soon to vote for the kit that is gonna stay (personally i think mono Greek is the best of the two).Last but not least a spacebar kit will be added.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: FredBananaz on Mon, 26 August 2019, 07:32:49
If the Mono-Greek kit were to stay, could it be possible to add homing bars on the bottom of the F- and J -key, or add them as an option to the kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: guzzi on Mon, 26 August 2019, 07:56:37
Mono Greek definitely looks a lot cleaner than the redundand sublegends. Also the reason why i am in favor of digits-only numpad.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: crusader_alex on Mon, 26 August 2019, 08:11:56
If the Mono-Greek kit were to stay, could it be possible to add homing bars on the bottom of the F- and J -key, or add them as an option to the kit?
That is the plan,i just haven't got the updated renders yet

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Mon, 26 August 2019, 10:27:38
Really disappointed that there isn't a planned spacebar kit. That's unheard of for GMK sets this year (I guess excepting Handarbeit+), and AFAIK any set that offers them and the base meets MOQ has the spacebar kit meet MOQ too.

This. I would urge to keep either the accent space or the regular space in the base in both standard spacebar sizes and make a separate spacebar kit with 6u and all the small ones etc.

Additionally I am not sure on having only some greek for the alphas. Im primarily looking at the sublegends which I enjoy more, but gathering some poll on people looking at greek monolegends would be useful.

No comment on iso.

So far looking pretty good.


I would like to do a spacebar kit but the number of kits would be too high making it way harder to hit MOQ on the other child kits,i am trying to work out some solutions to this though.

6 kits isn't an egregious amount, but if we're throwing out suggestions to keep it to 5 kits, my vote would be to just incorporate the numpad into the base kit and then add a spacebars kit. My argument for this is there are likely more people interested in an ANSI + numpad than ISO (even if ISO users are more vocal, very few actually show up to buy kits...); so if I'm subsidizing ISO in the base, then ISO people can subsidize my numpad keys in the base kit.

3 things

1 consider dropping either the mono legends or sublegends depending on interest. If they really are 50/50 then oh well but first gather some data through some Google forms or what not ask on discord and stuff.

2 The numpad kit solo irks me somewhat as people usually pair that with iso as both need support to hit moq from each other. I kind of agree that you should either incorporate numpad into base or take iso into numpad. My personal vote is on the latter.

3 lastly remember to talk to vendors on their opinions and stuff since they have a lot of numbers from previous runs they have done and a lot more experience. Would take their advice more closely than people posting here including myself

I'm torn on your first point; but I think making an executive decision on doing one or the other would go a long way to actually getting those kits run. It's a totally arbitrary aesthetic choice that will vary from person to person. Maybe combining the mono/sublegends kit into one "antiquities" or "It's all Greek to me" kit might be an option since the mono legends would only add 11 more keys to the sublegends kit (one overlapping key between kits) or maybe cutting out keys from the sublegends kit that are just two of the same letter (same keys cut as in the mono kit) though I'm sure mixed mono/sublegends would bug some people. I'm just thinking that if one alpha kit is gonna get cut based on popularity of past japanese mono/sublegend kit performance it's the mono (which is unfortunate because that's the kit I would want between the two). I think there's a way to run both mono/sublegend kits as one but think that having them split most likely will mean a higher possibility of neither actually getting run.

The other two points I can definitely get behind though I prefer just adding numpad to the basekit. Talking to vendors is definitely something to do to before finalizing kits and getting this set run.
Most of these things are being worked on right now,for one the base and numpad are being merged as it will help keep the kit number down and help with the MOQ for both.Additionally i will most likely be cutting one of the Greek kits because realistically if there are 2 language kits none of the two will make MOQ.There will be a poll soon to vote for the kit that is gonna stay (personally i think mono Greek is the best of the two).Last but not least a spacebar kit will be added.

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Great to hear how receptive you are to feedback from fans of the set! All these changes are gonna lead to a better run imo.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 26 August 2019, 14:43:50
Minor quibble: the update says: "1) The base kit and numpad kits have not been merged,that should help with reaching MOQ on all kits by reducing the overall number." - you might want to correct that to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Mon, 26 August 2019, 15:20:51
Both Greek kits are non ideal if youre choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: crusader_alex on Mon, 26 August 2019, 16:14:06
Both Greek kits are non ideal if youre choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.
I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are  https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: ABrotherThatIsUndercover on Mon, 26 August 2019, 16:33:49
Excited to see this hit GB, colors look really good together.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: trg1234 on Mon, 26 August 2019, 18:14:59
Both Greek kits are non ideal if youre choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.
I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are  https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD

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100% agree those look like ****.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 26 August 2019, 21:19:03
Both Greek kits are non ideal if youre choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.
I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are  https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD

I agree. Definitely not good.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: Calesinator on Thu, 29 August 2019, 20:45:26
I know its a little late, and possibly too late but... any thoughts on doing a deskmat? Cause Id buy the crap out of a matching, Sparta themed deskmat.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: nasp on Thu, 29 August 2019, 21:14:10
I'd prefer if the Greek letters were offset to the right, but I know that will be quite expensive since those molds would have to be made and the ones in the mixed kit already exits. Perhaps it wouldn't hurt to ask for a quote just for curiosity sake? That way you wouldn't regret it later when the set sells very well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: Acereconkeys on Thu, 29 August 2019, 21:46:09
Both Greek kits are non ideal if you’re choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.
I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are  https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD

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Not to be a negative person but that render is with the sublegends being directly below the main legends. That's obviously going to make sublegends look like ****. There's a reason every single cherry sublegended board has had them in the opposite corner of the keycaps.

Imo you should abandon having any alternative language alpha kits (mono and mixed right now) and replace the base kit with the render you posted but with the legend position fixed on the keys.

Yes this hurts people who're interested in just the colors, but makes the set much more distinct/memorable. Of course, that's just my 2c.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Fri, 30 August 2019, 02:30:25
Both Greek kits are non ideal if youre choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.
I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are  https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD

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Not to be a negative person but that render is with the sublegends being directly below the main legends. That's obviously going to make sublegends look like ****. There's a reason every single cherry sublegended board has had them in the opposite corner of the keycaps.

Imo you should abandon having any alternative language alpha kits (mono and mixed right now) and replace the base kit with the render you posted but with the legend position fixed on the keys.

Yes this hurts people who're interested in just the colors, but makes the set much more distinct/memorable. Of course, that's just my 2c.
Seeing as the mono kit is pretty handily winning the strawpoll, arbitrarily making the decision to go with the least popular alpha option in addition to excluding normal plain alphas seems like an incredibly terrible idea.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: SwitchKeys on Fri, 30 August 2019, 06:44:11
I know its a little late, and possibly too late but... any thoughts on doing a deskmat? Cause Id buy the crap out of a matching, Sparta themed deskmat.

This. Imagine a helmet or a horizontal sword... yes please!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 30 August 2019, 07:29:29
Greek legends are quite the stunner.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: crusader_alex on Fri, 30 August 2019, 07:55:12
I know its a little late, and possibly too late but... any thoughts on doing a deskmat? Cause Id buy the crap out of a matching, Sparta themed deskmat.

Polls for deskmat designs will be up soon actually  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: Acereconkeys on Fri, 30 August 2019, 12:37:04
Both Greek kits are non ideal if you’re choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.
I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are  https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD

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Not to be a negative person but that render is with the sublegends being directly below the main legends. That's obviously going to make sublegends look like ****. There's a reason every single cherry sublegended board has had them in the opposite corner of the keycaps.

Imo you should abandon having any alternative language alpha kits (mono and mixed right now) and replace the base kit with the render you posted but with the legend position fixed on the keys.

Yes this hurts people who're interested in just the colors, but makes the set much more distinct/memorable. Of course, that's just my 2c.
Seeing as the mono kit is pretty handily winning the strawpoll, arbitrarily making the decision to go with the least popular alpha option in addition to excluding normal plain alphas seems like an incredibly terrible idea.

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Relying solely on a strawpoll based on a false pretense (mixed legends have the sublegend on the bottom left not bottom right) is warping people's perspective. I imagine a lot of people prefer mono legend because the sublegends on mixed legend are ugly because they're in an unusual position. Also, my suggestion was for only partial mixed legends (the same letters as the mono ones), so there's actually no data on how popular my idea is.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Fri, 30 August 2019, 15:22:50
Both Greek kits are non ideal if youre choosing one over the other. You should merge them in a sense. Keep the keys with dual legends from the Mixed Greek kit and get rid of the redundant keys. You end up with the same amount of keys as the Mono Greek kit.
I'd have to disagree with you on that.Both kits have something unique to offer and i don't believe they are non ideal.As for your suggestion i did a render of that and I thought it looked absolutely horrible so it will probably not be a kit in itself.Here they are  https://imgur.com/a/cpBKRqD

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Not to be a negative person but that render is with the sublegends being directly below the main legends. That's obviously going to make sublegends look like ****. There's a reason every single cherry sublegended board has had them in the opposite corner of the keycaps.

Imo you should abandon having any alternative language alpha kits (mono and mixed right now) and replace the base kit with the render you posted but with the legend position fixed on the keys.

Yes this hurts people who're interested in just the colors, but makes the set much more distinct/memorable. Of course, that's just my 2c.
Seeing as the mono kit is pretty handily winning the strawpoll, arbitrarily making the decision to go with the least popular alpha option in addition to excluding normal plain alphas seems like an incredibly terrible idea.

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Relying solely on a strawpoll based on a false pretense (mixed legends have the sublegend on the bottom left not bottom right) is warping people's perspective. I imagine a lot of people prefer mono legend because the sublegends on mixed legend are ugly because they're in an unusual position. Also, my suggestion was for only partial mixed legends (the same letters as the mono ones), so there's actually no data on how popular my idea is.
So because it isn't your way, it's wrong; got it. Love the fact that you are saying the strawpoll is biased because your "suggestion" isn't in it, then make claims that aren't supported by any evidence about why people don't like the option closest to it. If you read through the thread, you'll actually see that at every instance (excepting one guy at the beginning of the thread) of your suggestion being brought up people have said they wouldn't like it. Why should OP even look into that as a legend option when it's clearly unpopular and not what they envision for the set (much less replace the most common legend option with it)? I'd like to think people can imagine what the set will look like even with properly placed legends without OP spending the time/money for a corrected render for something people don't want (according to data, not your "gut"). OP hit the nail on the head on why I personally want mono legends because mixed ones looks messy, and I'd like to think people agree that kits in this set look better when "spartan" and minimal rather than cluttered with sublegends. It's a totally arbitrary aesthetic choice, as I've said before, and if the majority of people chose mixed or sublegends I'd be disappointed, but wouldn't be making claims about how "biased" the polling is/"I believe this, so it must be true." Expressing your opinion on the matter is what ICs are for, but coming in with a matter of fact attitude then getting defensive when pointed to data that doesn't support your opinion isn't. You're always free to run your own buy to see exactly how popular your mixed option is.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: Acereconkeys on Fri, 30 August 2019, 16:44:24

Seeing as the mono kit is pretty handily winning the strawpoll, arbitrarily making the decision to go with the least popular alpha option in addition to excluding normal plain alphas seems like an incredibly terrible idea.

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Relying solely on a strawpoll based on a false pretense (mixed legends have the sublegend on the bottom left not bottom right) is warping people's perspective. I imagine a lot of people prefer mono legend because the sublegends on mixed legend are ugly because they're in an unusual position. Also, my suggestion was for only partial mixed legends (the same letters as the mono ones), so there's actually no data on how popular my idea is.
So because it isn't your way, it's wrong; got it. Love the fact that you are saying the strawpoll is biased because your "suggestion" isn't in it, then make claims that aren't supported by any evidence about why people don't like the option closest to it. If you read through the thread, you'll actually see that at every instance (excepting one guy at the beginning of the thread) of your suggestion being brought up people have said they wouldn't like it. Why should OP even look into that as a legend option when it's clearly unpopular and not what they envision for the set (much less replace the most common legend option with it)? I'd like to think people can imagine what the set will look like even with properly placed legends without OP spending the time/money for a corrected render for something people don't want (according to data, not your "gut"). OP hit the nail on the head on why I personally want mono legends because mixed ones looks messy, and I'd like to think people agree that kits in this set look better when "spartan" and minimal rather than cluttered with sublegends. It's a totally arbitrary aesthetic choice, as I've said before, and if the majority of people chose mixed or sublegends I'd be disappointed, but wouldn't be making claims about how "biased" the polling is/"I believe this, so it must be true." Expressing your opinion on the matter is what ICs are for, but coming in with a matter of fact attitude then getting defensive when pointed to data that doesn't support your opinion isn't. You're always free to run your own buy to see exactly how popular your mixed option is.

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Are we reading the same thread? Literally 8 people all agreed with lightnings suggestion on using bottom right sublegends on only select keys.

I'm not saying the datas bad because it disagrees with my opinion. I am questioning  the way that the data is set up because every render done of the mixed greek legends has had the greek sublegends on the bottom left. That sets a false dichotomy from the beginning. You can't say people strongly prefer it when they've never had the other renders to compare to. Btw I am 100% open to being wrong too if he makes a render with bottom right positioned sublegend kit, like classic greek sublegends (cherry sets), and it looks bad I will be the first person to admit i'm wrong. Imagine we're choosing ice cream flavors for a party and i'm like I think we should pick strawberry and you're citing some study that says 60% of people prefer chocolate over vanilla. It's like yeah okay people prefer chocolate over vanilla but that doesn't ****ing matter i'm suggesting something else entirely...

Final note i'll say is that you mentioned it's a subjective decision of aesthetics. Yes aesthetics is subjective, but one huge way our brains determines what looks good versus bad is familiarity. This is why i think people often think split space looks really bad because peoples minds have expected a full space bar to be there and now it's not. I believe that's happening now with mixed greek sublegends. Every single other language sublegend kit (hangul, hiragana, arabic, etc) have ALL been on the bottom right. So when someone looks at the mixed kit here and it's on the bottom left that's going to be odd and make it more likely for them to dislike it.

That's the last post i'll say on it to you. At the end of the day you're absolutely right i'm just 1 customer. I don't want to turn this into some kind of personal argument when my only goal was to explain why i was disappointed with both of the options available in the straw poll.

I am not the most well spoken guy, so if the actual runner of the set isn't understanding what i'm saying then I can try and say it again to explain.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Fri, 30 August 2019, 17:43:36

Seeing as the mono kit is pretty handily winning the strawpoll, arbitrarily making the decision to go with the least popular alpha option in addition to excluding normal plain alphas seems like an incredibly terrible idea.

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Relying solely on a strawpoll based on a false pretense (mixed legends have the sublegend on the bottom left not bottom right) is warping people's perspective. I imagine a lot of people prefer mono legend because the sublegends on mixed legend are ugly because they're in an unusual position. Also, my suggestion was for only partial mixed legends (the same letters as the mono ones), so there's actually no data on how popular my idea is.
So because it isn't your way, it's wrong; got it. Love the fact that you are saying the strawpoll is biased because your "suggestion" isn't in it, then make claims that aren't supported by any evidence about why people don't like the option closest to it. If you read through the thread, you'll actually see that at every instance (excepting one guy at the beginning of the thread) of your suggestion being brought up people have said they wouldn't like it. Why should OP even look into that as a legend option when it's clearly unpopular and not what they envision for the set (much less replace the most common legend option with it)? I'd like to think people can imagine what the set will look like even with properly placed legends without OP spending the time/money for a corrected render for something people don't want (according to data, not your "gut"). OP hit the nail on the head on why I personally want mono legends because mixed ones looks messy, and I'd like to think people agree that kits in this set look better when "spartan" and minimal rather than cluttered with sublegends. It's a totally arbitrary aesthetic choice, as I've said before, and if the majority of people chose mixed or sublegends I'd be disappointed, but wouldn't be making claims about how "biased" the polling is/"I believe this, so it must be true." Expressing your opinion on the matter is what ICs are for, but coming in with a matter of fact attitude then getting defensive when pointed to data that doesn't support your opinion isn't. You're always free to run your own buy to see exactly how popular your mixed option is.

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Are we reading the same thread? Literally 8 people all agreed with lightnings suggestion on using bottom right sublegends on only select keys.

I'm not saying the datas bad because it disagrees with my opinion. I am questioning  the way that the data is set up because every render done of the mixed greek legends has had the greek sublegends on the bottom left. That sets a false dichotomy from the beginning. You can't say people strongly prefer it when they've never had the other renders to compare to. Btw I am 100% open to being wrong too if he makes a render with bottom right positioned sublegend kit, like classic greek sublegends (cherry sets), and it looks bad I will be the first person to admit i'm wrong. Imagine we're choosing ice cream flavors for a party and i'm like I think we should pick strawberry and you're citing some study that says 60% of people prefer chocolate over vanilla. It's like yeah okay people prefer chocolate over vanilla but that doesn't ****ing matter i'm suggesting something else entirely...

Final note i'll say is that you mentioned it's a subjective decision of aesthetics. Yes aesthetics is subjective, but one huge way our brains determines what looks good versus bad is familiarity. This is why i think people often think split space looks really bad because peoples minds have expected a full space bar to be there and now it's not. I believe that's happening now with mixed greek sublegends. Every single other language sublegend kit (hangul, hiragana, arabic, etc) have ALL been on the bottom right. So when someone looks at the mixed kit here and it's on the bottom left that's going to be odd and make it more likely for them to dislike it.

That's the last post i'll say on it to you. At the end of the day you're absolutely right i'm just 1 customer. I don't want to turn this into some kind of personal argument when my only goal was to explain why i was disappointed with both of the options available in the straw poll.

I am not the most well spoken guy, so if the actual runner of the set isn't understanding what i'm saying then I can try and say it again to explain.
I'll be the first to apologize with how strong I came on, we're both fans of the set and just want to see it get where we think it will look the best, and that's a subjective thing. But I think there are some differences in how we're perceiving the agreement with lightning's original suggestion and how the poll asking for people's preferences is set up.

At the time, all of the renders were with Greek sublegends, and someone later suggested to try it in mono. After lightning suggested only doing sublegends for keys where the alphas are different there was a lot of agreement on that looking better, but that is compared to the full sublegend with duplicate alphas. No one was comparing these to the monos (or at least no one was mentioning the monos) when they said they preferred the mixed mono/sublegend to full sublegends. As far as mixed legends versus full sublegends, I don't care because I personally wouldn't buy a kit with  sublegends for this set. So in general, there seems to be more support for mixed legends for the sublegend alpha kits. But now that it's a matter of choice between mono and mixed, we need to know what people prefer between mono and sublegend kits (in general; not just between the mono, mixed, and full sublegends) which the poll is giving good numbers for imo because many have expressed their interest in keeping this set as clean as possible.

As far as your analogy to ice cream and kit choices, I think it's a good one, but the difference in ice cream choices is too extreme. It would probably be more like the difference between vanilla (mono), cookies and cream (mixed subs), and fudge ripple (full subs). I think a fair number of people would look at the renders you have a problem with and have a weird feeling about it, but if you like sublegends, I'd like to think people could imagine what the set looks like with legends in the right place. In fact in lightning's first post, you actually have an example of it. I'll agree that that it should be an option in the straw poll, but honestly it would probably just split the sublegend vote.

Anyways, sorry about coming off as an ass; we're all just here to make the set better.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: NRbigfoot on Sat, 31 August 2019, 07:15:40
Why not combine the mono Greek alphas with classic cherry mixed sublegends that lightning suggested (Greek legends bottom right) and call it the Greek kit? It would still have fewer keys than the full sublegend kit and provide options for both those interested in mono legends and those in favor of the non-redundant sublegends.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: crusader_alex on Sat, 31 August 2019, 07:28:35
Why not combine the mono Greek alphas with classic cherry mixed sublegends that lightning suggested (Greek legends bottom right) and call it the Greek kit? It would still have fewer keys than the full sublegend kit and provide options for both those interested in mono legends and those in favor of the non-redundant sublegends.
Hm, I'm not sure i follow.So when you say combine do you mean having mono Greek legends in all the keys that do not have the cherry right side legends?

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: NRbigfoot on Sat, 31 August 2019, 07:33:48
Why not combine the mono Greek alphas with classic cherry mixed sublegends that lightning suggested (Greek legends bottom right) and call it the Greek kit? It would still have fewer keys than the full sublegend kit and provide options for both those interested in mono legends and those in favor of the non-redundant sublegends.
Hm, I'm not sure i follow.So when you say combine do you mean having mono Greek legends in all the keys that do not have the cherry right side legends?

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It would be taking the 12 keys that are already in your proposed mono kit and than adding an additional 11 keys that have the latin/Greek sublegends. Users would only use 12/23 of the keys at a time in the legends that they prefer.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: crusader_alex on Sat, 31 August 2019, 07:48:01
Why not combine the mono Greek alphas with classic cherry mixed sublegends that lightning suggested (Greek legends bottom right) and call it the Greek kit? It would still have fewer keys than the full sublegend kit and provide options for both those interested in mono legends and those in favor of the non-redundant sublegends.
Hm, I'm not sure i follow.So when you say combine do you mean having mono Greek legends in all the keys that do not have the cherry right side legends?

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It would be taking the 12 keys that are already in your proposed mono kit and than adding an additional 11 keys that have the latin/Greek sublegends. Users would only use 12/23 of the keys at a time in the legends that they prefer.
Hm i see,that is quite interesting but will only be an option if the Greek keys with the right side legends don't require new molds.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: LetoDaleko on Mon, 09 September 2019, 11:40:51
A render with red (halt) Thermal would be interesting.

Great set and deskmat, definitly joining the groupbuy
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Mon, 09 September 2019, 16:25:47
Desk mat looks very well done.  What number pad is that in the renders?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Mon, 09 September 2019, 16:39:48
Any chance you could replace the (I assume) 6u off-center stem white spacebar with a gold 6u center stem gold spacebar in the spacebar kit? Or maybe add the 6u white spacebars to the base (or just the center stem 6u) then replace them in the spacebar kit with gold versions of centered/off center 6u? This would look great on my Novatouched RF87u, but it only takes 6u center stem without looking weird.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: Calesinator on Mon, 09 September 2019, 19:32:44
On mobile and new to the site, am I missing something? Where are you folks seeing deskmats?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: euphxenos on Mon, 09 September 2019, 22:19:39
On mobile and new to the site, am I missing something? Where are you folks seeing deskmats?

Take another look at the last three renders in the original post.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: Calesinator on Mon, 09 September 2019, 23:19:50
On mobile and new to the site, am I missing something? Where are you folks seeing deskmats?

Take another look at the last three renders in the original post.

Ah yes I see now. Shame we dont have a solo shot of it. Thank you kind soul!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: FredBananaz on Tue, 10 September 2019, 05:10:22
I felt it before, but now that we have been granted deskmat renders, I can only imagine how much my wallet will be bleeding when this reaches GB.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: Calesinator on Tue, 10 September 2019, 07:29:24
Any input on how close you plan on getting the red to say like a burgundy tofu case or the white to an E-White? They both look slightly off
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: trg1234 on Tue, 10 September 2019, 15:03:43
Any input on how close you plan on getting the red to say like a burgundy tofu case or the white to an E-White? They both look slightly off

I doubt he is trying to color match with tofu cases. If he decides to release the color chips he is utilizing we will know then.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: ideus on Tue, 10 September 2019, 18:48:26
Any input on how close you plan on getting the red to say like a burgundy tofu case or the white to an E-White? They both look slightly off

I doubt he is trying to color match with tofu cases. If he decides to release the color chips he is utilizing we will know then.

Excuse my ignorance; but, is color matching with cases a requirement?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: Calesinator on Tue, 10 September 2019, 20:19:42
Any input on how close you plan on getting the red to say like a burgundy tofu case or the white to an E-White? They both look slightly off

I doubt he is trying to color match with tofu cases. If he decides to release the color chips he is utilizing we will know then.


Excuse my ignorance; but, is color matching with cases a requirement?

Sorry I realize now my comment came off as that. I was asking for myself, curious if I wanted to put this in a burgundy or e-white tofu. I didnt mean to imply or recommend to color match to tofu cases. I was just asking if they had input on if itd be close or not.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: crusader_alex on Thu, 12 September 2019, 14:03:11
Any input on how close you plan on getting the red to say like a burgundy tofu case or the white to an E-White? They both look slightly off

I doubt he is trying to color match with tofu cases. If he decides to release the color chips he is utilizing we will know then.


Excuse my ignorance; but, is color matching with cases a requirement?

Sorry I realize now my comment came off as that. I was asking for myself, curious if I wanted to put this in a burgundy or e-white tofu. I didnt mean to imply or recommend to color match to tofu cases. I was just asking if they had input on if itd be close or not.

Colors have just been posted.Now as far as your question goes I think it would look better on the E-White because the cream,red and gold combo would look killer on white IMO even if the actual white of the set is more creamy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Major Kit Updates-Polls added
Post by: Calesinator on Sat, 14 September 2019, 10:10:03
Any input on how close you plan on getting the red to say like a burgundy tofu case or the white to an E-White? They both look slightly off

I doubt he is trying to color match with tofu cases. If he decides to release the color chips he is utilizing we will know then.


Excuse my ignorance; but, is color matching with cases a requirement?

Sorry I realize now my comment came off as that. I was asking for myself, curious if I wanted to put this in a burgundy or e-white tofu. I didnt mean to imply or recommend to color match to tofu cases. I was just asking if they had input on if itd be close or not.

Colors have just been posted.Now as far as your question goes I think it would look better on the E-White because the cream,red and gold combo would look killer on white IMO even if the actual white of the set is more creamy.

Yeah I agree I think Im going e-white. Any chance of deskmat renders soon? Or polls you had mentioned a few weeks back?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: Kerasan on Wed, 18 September 2019, 07:23:33
is the color of the modifiers similar to red samurai alphas or are they different?

KMK Labs.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: crusader_alex on Wed, 18 September 2019, 07:51:26
is the color of the modifiers similar to red samurai alphas or are they different?

KMK Labs.
I have no idea what colors were used for Red Sam but I don't think they were RAL (I'm not sure though.The red I'm using is RAL 3011 though.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: Kerasan on Wed, 18 September 2019, 10:40:47
is the color of the modifiers similar to red samurai alphas or are they different?

KMK Labs.
I have no idea what colors were used for Red Sam but I don't think they were RAL (I'm not sure though.The red I'm using is RAL 3011 though.

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yes, not everyone communicates the colors used, thank you for doing it. I want to be clear, I asked this only because I was interested in a merge, not for criticism.  :thumb:

KMK Labs.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: Jampot_298 on Fri, 20 September 2019, 07:04:55
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.

But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.

All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.

All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:

Yes i suppose i phrased that quite poorly.What i am basically doing here is offering the basic ISO support that many other sets have offered in the past but i might look into the change you mentioned,if a number of ISO users request it that is.Thanks for your feedback!
Could you possibly add a NorDeUk kit?

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: crusader_alex on Fri, 20 September 2019, 07:30:26
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.

But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.

All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.

All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:

Yes i suppose i phrased that quite poorly.What i am basically doing here is offering the basic ISO support that many other sets have offered in the past but i might look into the change you mentioned,if a number of ISO users request it that is.Thanks for your feedback!
Could you possibly add a NorDeUk kit?

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Unfortunately not, judging from how the same kit did on other sets there is no chance it will hit MOQ.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: Butterbeer on Sun, 29 September 2019, 03:45:37
Could you consider adding all red alphas? Considering the success of sets with only a two color schemes, I think Red and Gold would do well and entice a bigger audience to join the group buy. Add the function keys (F1-F5, F9-F12) to this set and now you will appeal to those who want a monochrome function row (TKL, 75% enthusiasts). Cafe is going to do this with their "Black" kit and Olivia++ will do something similar. A render with all red and gold on a red board should look pretty sweet!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 01 October 2019, 11:54:30
I like this set a fair bit, but I'd suggest removing the Numpad sub legends for a much cleaner look.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: NoxNoxNox on Tue, 01 October 2019, 13:04:02
Could you consider adding all red alphas? Considering the success of sets with only a two color schemes, I think Red and Gold would do well and entice a bigger audience to join the group buy. Add the function keys (F1-F5, F9-F12) to this set and now you will appeal to those who want a monochrome function row (TKL, 75% enthusiasts). Cafe is going to do this with their "Black" kit and Olivia++ will do something similar. A render with all red and gold on a red board should look pretty sweet!

If you do add a 2nd kit, likely only an extra key or two (Tab comes to mind) so that if you get the base kit plus the red alphas you can actually cover a ANSI standard layout plus a Tsangan.  Makes it more versatile. 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 01 October 2019, 13:22:06
Could you consider adding all red alphas? Considering the success of sets with only a two color schemes, I think Red and Gold would do well and entice a bigger audience to join the group buy. Add the function keys (F1-F5, F9-F12) to this set and now you will appeal to those who want a monochrome function row (TKL, 75% enthusiasts). Cafe is going to do this with their "Black" kit and Olivia++ will do something similar. A render with all red and gold on a red board should look pretty sweet!

If you do add a 2nd kit, likely only an extra key or two (Tab comes to mind) so that if you get the base kit plus the red alphas you can actually cover a ANSI standard layout plus a Tsangan.  Makes it more versatile.

Given that the base kit already has a second set of arrows, a second Tab key and a a second Home (by the Sea) key should be enough to make a "secondary" 65%.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: ivu on Tue, 01 October 2019, 13:39:31
Add also red alphas and it would get a wider audience imo. Red base+gold font is one of my most searched for combos..
With the addition of the novelties, it would be a lovely set :)

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: Calesinator on Wed, 02 October 2019, 08:38:08
I like this set a fair bit, but I'd suggest removing the Numpad sub legends for a much cleaner look.  ;D

+1
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: vicissitude on Wed, 02 October 2019, 09:19:25
When will the GB possibly start?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: crusader_alex on Wed, 02 October 2019, 10:52:30
When will the GB possibly start?

November 5 is the GB date,i will release all info in an update coming up pretty soon
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: crusader_alex on Wed, 02 October 2019, 10:55:05
Could you consider adding all red alphas? Considering the success of sets with only a two color schemes, I think Red and Gold would do well and entice a bigger audience to join the group buy. Add the function keys (F1-F5, F9-F12) to this set and now you will appeal to those who want a monochrome function row (TKL, 75% enthusiasts). Cafe is going to do this with their "Black" kit and Olivia++ will do something similar. A render with all red and gold on a red board should look pretty sweet!

Unfortunately something like that won't be happening.Adding red alphas would get the set too close to red samurai in my opinion,i may consider adding the red F keys though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: juliandoucette on Wed, 02 October 2019, 18:53:15
I'm interested.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 02 October 2019, 19:07:34
Out of curiosity wondering if this has any relation to JTK Sun Devil http://sonorankeyboards.com/sundevil-keyset/

Been thinking for awhile now the color combo was sorta familiar and couldn't place it, but just had this pop up.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: Butterbeer on Thu, 03 October 2019, 04:08:50
Could you consider adding all red alphas? Considering the success of sets with only a two color schemes, I think Red and Gold would do well and entice a bigger audience to join the group buy. Add the function keys (F1-F5, F9-F12) to this set and now you will appeal to those who want a monochrome function row (TKL, 75% enthusiasts). Cafe is going to do this with their "Black" kit and Olivia++ will do something similar. A render with all red and gold on a red board should look pretty sweet!

Unfortunately something like that won't be happening.Adding red alphas would get the set too close to red samurai in my opinion,i may consider adding the red F keys though.

Red F keys are actually what I need, but that's always a challenge to implement. Luckily there's been some popular sets to include them (e.g. CAFE, CORAL, TARO, FIREFLY). I would also recommend sub legends be removed from the Numpad.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - All vendors announced!
Post by: crusader_alex on Thu, 03 October 2019, 12:52:47
Out of curiosity wondering if this has any relation to JTK Sun Devil http://sonorankeyboards.com/sundevil-keyset/

Been thinking for awhile now the color combo was sorta familiar and couldn't place it, but just had this pop up.
The sets have no affiliation at all,even though the colors look a bit similar at first glance they are not at all the same.Just in case though I spoke to Koduh before running the IC to make sure I wasn't getting in the way of a retry/rerun.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - More kit updates!!!
Post by: Calesinator on Sun, 06 October 2019, 15:13:39
Still no deskmat renders? :/
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - More kit updates!!!
Post by: crusader_alex on Mon, 07 October 2019, 18:11:39
Still no deskmat renders? :/

Yeah they have been pushed back a little,they will be coming soon(ish) though when the final update is posted.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - More kit updates!!!
Post by: cyyz on Mon, 07 October 2019, 21:57:52
Love everything about this set. Cant wait.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - More kit updates!!!
Post by: Dox.h3 on Thu, 10 October 2019, 23:52:19
Love it.

Cant wait for Gb.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - More kit updates!!!
Post by: Calesinator on Fri, 11 October 2019, 14:39:49
I might be missing something, but whats up with the R in the mixed Greek kit with the P Sublegend?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - More kit updates!!!
Post by: crusader_alex on Fri, 11 October 2019, 14:50:15
I might be missing something, but whats up with the R in the mixed Greek kit with the P Sublegend?
What's wrong with it?


Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - More kit updates!!!
Post by: eskimojo on Fri, 11 October 2019, 15:35:03
I might be missing something, but whats up with the R in the mixed Greek kit with the P Sublegend?

It's not P, it's Ρ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rho)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - More kit updates!!!
Post by: Runge on Fri, 11 October 2019, 17:08:22
Regarding the deskmat - is it meant to be off-balance that way?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - More kit updates!!!
Post by: crusader_alex on Fri, 25 October 2019, 05:14:18
Regarding the deskmat - is it meant to be off-balance that way?

Some new deskmat renders have been uploaded,i think it looked a bit off balance because of the perspective of the render.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Pricing announced,more updates!!!
Post by: mandamanda on Mon, 04 November 2019, 16:27:17
Just made an account to say that it's such a gorgeous set, can't wait for the GB!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Pricing announced,more updates!!!
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 04 November 2019, 16:42:25
This is the first time I have ever been tempted to purchase a deskmat, they look amazing. Very reasonable pricing as well, overall really pleased with the whole set. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - GB Launching November 15!!!
Post by: crusader_alex on Fri, 15 November 2019, 23:29:34
GMK Sparta GB has started! Please continue the thread there

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103429.0
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - GB Launching November 15!!!
Post by: alternisciel on Sun, 15 December 2019, 17:45:56
Will you be looking to try to run this GB again? Really love the regal look, shame the GB was cancelled :( probably the best set that was running imo
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Thu, 02 April 2020, 18:34:12
Hello everyone,a quick announcement.I will be running the set again!!! The post has been updated with all the latest information so please continue discussion on this IC since it's the one I'm gonna be using from now on.Thank you all very much for your support the last few months and I am confident that this time we'll make it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: FaKe_VirTual on Thu, 02 April 2020, 18:49:33
Good Luck this time!

It would be a shame if this wouldn't get made.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: fishinaspacesuit on Thu, 02 April 2020, 18:50:40
Whoop whoop!


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: penvellynn on Thu, 02 April 2020, 18:59:26
Deskmatsssss!!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: NoxNoxNox on Thu, 02 April 2020, 19:37:33
Any word on when you plan to run this again?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Thu, 02 April 2020, 19:44:54
Any word on when you plan to run this again?

Unfortunately not,for now at least.I have yet to talk with vendors and the such but that will be happening soon.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Starlight-Dawn on Thu, 02 April 2020, 20:40:50
Love the deskmats!
Count me in.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: 2QT2BSTR8 on Thu, 02 April 2020, 23:06:41
Let's go
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: FredBananaz on Fri, 03 April 2020, 01:43:24
Now this is some good news. Good luck on the GB whenever it launches. I'll definetly join in on this one!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: ghillan on Fri, 03 April 2020, 02:25:00
THIS is the set i was waiting for !

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: DetectiveNio on Fri, 03 April 2020, 21:49:04
I was so sad when TKC took it down. super glad to have it back up! THIS.IS.SPARRTAAAA

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Module on Sat, 04 April 2020, 09:55:26
Yes, we need this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 04 April 2020, 14:25:49
Now that this set has been taken up again, should the base kit be subject to a second round of study? Since the IC was initially posted, there have been some changes in what's expected of a base kit (most of which ARE satisfied in Sparta's base kit, it must be said).

IMHO, only three things need to be considered here: a) the inclusion of an extra B (in the space bars kit); b) the replacement of R3 #~ for \| (and perhaps going terminal style instead of PC style, as that's gaining acceptance); c) F13.

HTH!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Sat, 04 April 2020, 14:58:10
Now that this set has been taken up again, should the base kit be subject to a second round of study? Since the IC was initially posted, there have been some changes in what's expected of a base kit (most of which ARE satisfied in Sparta's base kit, it must be said).

IMHO, only three things need to be considered here: a) the inclusion of an extra B (in the space bars kit); b) the replacement of R3 #~ for \| (and perhaps going terminal style instead of PC style, as that's gaining acceptance); c) F13.

HTH!

Yes the base kit is gonna change for this round and to answer your questions,yes an F13 and an extra B key are things that will be added to their respective kits and the #~ key will be replaced.And if I may ask what do you mean by "terminal style"?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 04 April 2020, 15:20:00
Now that this set has been taken up again, should the base kit be subject to a second round of study? Since the IC was initially posted, there have been some changes in what's expected of a base kit (most of which ARE satisfied in Sparta's base kit, it must be said).

IMHO, only three things need to be considered here: a) the inclusion of an extra B (in the space bars kit); b) the replacement of R3 #~ for \| (and perhaps going terminal style instead of PC style, as that's gaining acceptance); c) F13.

HTH!

Yes the base kit is gonna change for this round and to answer your questions,yes an F13 and an extra B key are things that will be added to their respective kits and the #~ key will be replaced.And if I may ask what do you mean by "terminal style"?


R3 \| + R4 \| ==> "PC style".
R3 \| + R4 <> ==> "terminal style".

See http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/#enUS (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/#enUS).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 04 April 2020, 16:44:27
Glad to see that this is back. The base kit looks good imo, I'd just change the stepped Caps Lock legend to “Caps” and do what Miguel suggested regarding the ISO keys. If space becomes tight after B and F13 are added, I'd maybe let go of the stepped 1.75u Control. It might also make sense to put B in the spacebars kit, since that's where the space keys used for Alice are.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Armaguard on Sat, 04 April 2020, 16:55:53
Hey man, love the set. I assume there wont be support for ergo, right? Based on not getting much traction last time...
Thanks and good luck!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Sat, 04 April 2020, 17:56:17
Glad to see that this is back. The base kit looks good imo, I'd just change the stepped Caps Lock legend to Caps and do what Miguel suggested regarding the ISO keys. If space becomes tight after B and F13 are added, I'd maybe let go of the stepped 1.75u Control. It might also make sense to put B in the spacebars kit, since that's where the space keys used for Alice are.

So most of these will happen other than the caps lock legend change.And of course the B is gonna be in the spacebar kit.However this time around I will be doing the renders myself so it might take some time to update everything.



Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Sat, 04 April 2020, 18:03:20
Hey man, love the set. I assume there wont be support for ergo, right? Based on not getting much traction last time...
Thanks and good luck!

Yes ergo won't be supported unfortunately,if anything i might make some cuts to the existing kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: ogWalker on Sat, 04 April 2020, 18:29:39
SUPER hyped for this. Hopefully GB goes better this time, need to see this set made!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: nsmk on Sun, 05 April 2020, 17:14:07
Very glad this set is coming back again.  :thumb:

The discord link expired tho.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: beefwelldone on Sun, 05 April 2020, 22:09:09
count me in waiting for so long
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: MdotMaxson on Sat, 11 April 2020, 07:01:46
Call it GMK Trojan. Send it to some kids at USC to post around campus. Youll hit massdrop level numbers easy. No more flops.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Mighty_Zero on Sat, 11 April 2020, 09:05:48
Who here is interested in this set because you played and loved the Assassin Creed Odyssey  :-*
because I am  ;D
Let's go Sparta!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Butterbeer on Sat, 11 April 2020, 20:46:14
Call it GMK Trojan. Send it to some kids at USC to post around campus. Youll hit massdrop level numbers easy. No more flops.

I would support the name change to get the kit made. Put up posts on Florida State University campus under GMK Seminole as well. lol
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Sun, 12 April 2020, 03:12:12
Call it GMK Trojan. Send it to some kids at USC to post around campus. Youll hit massdrop level numbers easy. No more flops.

I would support the name change to get the kit made. Put up posts on Florida State University campus under GMK Seminole as well. lol
http://imgur.com/a/0cc2olI

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: aaronnnn on Sun, 12 April 2020, 03:13:43
I just want the damn desk mat so bad!


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: midnatwili on Sun, 12 April 2020, 07:27:00
i cannot wait for this set to come back live again. my wallet is so ready for this. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: travwal on Sun, 12 April 2020, 16:53:10
Really excited this is coming back. Definitely not going to skip this
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Bax on Thu, 16 April 2020, 19:09:08
Beauty reincarnate. Base + novelties + deskmat are a must-have.
Waiting patiently for the group buy!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Tyson on Fri, 17 April 2020, 17:00:00
Glad this is coming back, I'll be sure to join again once the GB opens back up! :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: beernuts171 on Mon, 20 April 2020, 12:08:54
Definitely in for this one!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Obstsalatjaa on Mon, 20 April 2020, 20:32:57
I want this to succeed. Is there going to be a timeline or Discord for this GB ?

Also I noticed the helmets in the novelty Kit could have more variation in helmet style.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: ivu on Tue, 21 April 2020, 01:21:47
A couple of things i would love to see for the novelty kit:

- not sure about the sword enter novelty. Maybe keep only the text one. Never really liked swords as novelties tbh, a bit too much for my taste;
- i've always thought about having a novelty for the capslock. Maybe change the sword one  of the enter novelties to that?;
- R2-R3-R4 1u novelties.

Do you have something in mind for the novelties which you are working on currently?

Looking forward to seeing this set back in GB  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: delet_d on Tue, 21 April 2020, 01:44:37
2 things:
I would definitely get this if in PBT! The greek looks great.
Any chance for a white modifier kit? Gold on white would look sick.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Kasterborous on Tue, 21 April 2020, 01:58:46
Discord link expired :(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Tue, 21 April 2020, 02:00:57
A couple of things i would love to see for the novelty kit:

- not sure about the sword enter novelty. Maybe keep only the text one. Never really liked swords as novelties tbh, a bit too much for my taste;
- i've always thought about having a novelty for the capslock. Maybe change the sword one  of the enter novelties to that?;
- R2-R3-R4 1u novelties.

Do you have something in mind for the novelties which you are working on currently?

Looking forward to seeing this set back in GB  :thumb:


For now the only thing I'm thinking is cutting some keys from the novelty kit. The sword novelty will probably go yeah but I will most likely make a poll so you can choose which ones stay and which ones go.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Tue, 21 April 2020, 02:09:19
2 things:
I would definitely get this if in PBT! The greek looks great.
Any chance for a white modifier kit? Gold on white would look sick.

Unfortuantely new kits can't be added at the moment, if anything the old kits will be shortened for the most part.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Tue, 21 April 2020, 02:10:08
Discord link expired :(

Sorry, will fix that today!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: 2QT2BSTR8 on Tue, 21 April 2020, 02:21:37
Mono legends only for the Greek kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: cyyz on Tue, 21 April 2020, 03:04:18
A couple of things i would love to see for the novelty kit:

- not sure about the sword enter novelty. Maybe keep only the text one. Never really liked swords as novelties tbh, a bit too much for my taste;
- i've always thought about having a novelty for the capslock. Maybe change the sword one  of the enter novelties to that?;
- R2-R3-R4 1u novelties.

Do you have something in mind for the novelties which you are working on currently?

Looking forward to seeing this set back in GB  :thumb:


For now the only thing I'm thinking is cutting some keys from the novelty kit. The sword novelty will probably go yeah but I will most likely make a poll so you can choose which ones stay and which ones go.

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I love the sword novelty, but maybe use it for the backspace key, since we already have one for the enter . Im personally not a fan of the leaf/wheat? novelty.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Obstsalatjaa on Tue, 21 April 2020, 05:01:54
2 things:
I would definitely get this if in PBT! The greek looks great.
Any chance for a white modifier kit? Gold on white would look sick.

Unfortuantely new kits can't be added at the moment, if anything the old kits will be shortened for the most part.

Why exactly does that mean ? Does that mean new kits are going to be added but we are unsure when ? If you could give us a short answer of things that can get changed and things that won't be or can't changed.
I am sure this will help the community to ask appropriate questions. But most importantly may save time.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Tue, 21 April 2020, 05:07:36
2 things:
I would definitely get this if in PBT! The greek looks great.
Any chance for a white modifier kit? Gold on white would look sick.

Unfortuantely new kits can't be added at the moment, if anything the old kits will be shortened for the most part.

Why exactly does that mean ? Does that mean new kits are going to be added but we are unsure when ? If you could give us a short answer of things that can get changed and things that won't be or can't changed.
I am sure this will help the community to ask appropriate questions. But most importantly may save time.
It means no new kits will be added because along with a new kit comes a new MOQ that needs to be reached. Additionally it will increase the price of the set as a whole. I will post a comment soon with the list of changes/updates so you can see and review them.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Thu, 23 April 2020, 17:36:51
Sorry for taking a big longer than anticipated with this update. So getting into the news.
As I mentioned previously there might need to be some kit changes to increase the affordability of the set.
These changes will most likely affect the Novelty as well as the Greek Kits.
That said I have made a  form (https://forms.gle/4e7VidkHXAyXzkTw6) so you can choose which novelties you'd like to see gone if any etc.
Same goes for the Greek kit. Now a couple of other updates.


Thank you for taking the time to read through this post and I hope you're all well!!!

P.S The discord link is updated and good to go

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: 2QT2BSTR8 on Thu, 23 April 2020, 17:43:33
Filled in! Will purchase this set from any vendor if it simplifies the process for you.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 23 April 2020, 17:45:07
  • Finally I would like to announce that I am looking into the possibility of the set being run through Massdrop as I believe it's what is best for the set but please let me know what you think

If massdrop doesn't force changes that hurt the kit, then by all means go through massdrop.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: terrad on Thu, 23 April 2020, 18:28:15
As someone who was going to pick up Sparta when it first ran I have to say I'm against going through drop. I think it makes it worse for all international buyers. Not just because of customs fees but also because (at least in my experience) the local vendors have way better customer support.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 23 April 2020, 19:18:23
Looking forward to a rerun!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: delet_d on Thu, 23 April 2020, 22:00:27
Please keep Greek kit intact! I'd be fine with running through Drop.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: pcire on Thu, 23 April 2020, 23:16:26
Ugh! Running it on drop means that youll have greater reach and will be able to keep most of the keys (and hopefully better pricing?), but at the expense of international buyers and bad customer support.
However, if that means keeping the Greek kits as they are, run it on drop :(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: tdris on Thu, 23 April 2020, 23:41:17
I literally want everything from this kit. It's the GMK i most want all year. I really hope you get the product recognization you deserve!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: ivu on Fri, 24 April 2020, 00:54:14
Going through drop will be bad for int buyers. Me included. :(

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: tekneeqz on Fri, 24 April 2020, 04:08:55
interested in these  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: cyyz on Fri, 24 April 2020, 04:21:08
I have no issues with Drop, their customer service has been excellent for me in the past.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Fri, 24 April 2020, 07:46:50
Just to clear a couple of things up, the reason I'm proposing that the set be run on Drop is because finding vendors that are available/willing to rerun Sparta at least at a resonable timeframe has been quite the challenge (at least in the NA area). Now I know this is gonna be harder on international folks (me being one of them) however running the set on Drop will drastically increase the chances of the group buy succeeding this time around and it will more than likely enable me to have more freedom with the kits thus not needing to remove anything (most likely). All that I ask is that you try to consider my train of thought and of course give me your opinion on the matter.

P.S When I say having more freedom with the kits it does not mean that I will start adding kits to accomodate everyone, while running things with Drop makes the whole process easier there are still MOQ's that will more than likely not be met with additional kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 24 April 2020, 07:55:38
Ugh! Running it on drop means that you’ll have greater reach and will be able to keep most of the keys (and hopefully better pricing?), but at the expense of international buyers and bad customer support.

Not sure what you mean by “bad customer support”, but if there's one thing that's good about Drop, it's their customer support. I understand that different people's experiences may vary, but over the years I've heard (and experienced) a lot more good things about their customer support than bad.


I have no issues with Drop, their customer service has been excellent for me in the past.

Same. They sent me an entire replacement kit free of charge when I got a key that had dye sub smudging.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: beernuts171 on Fri, 24 April 2020, 16:14:36
Totally fine with Drop, whatever it takes to make this happen.

I literally want everything from this kit. It's the GMK i most want all year. I really hope you get the product recognization you deserve!

Exactly. Thanks for continuing to fight this fight.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: ivu on Sat, 25 April 2020, 13:29:02
A proposal for a change of the helmet novelty with one similar to the attached file.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 25 April 2020, 14:19:40
A proposal for a change of the helmet novelty with one similar to the attached file.

Isn't this a bit too complex and detailed to be made into a doubleshot keycap?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: ivu on Mon, 27 April 2020, 09:32:40
For sure, that why i said similar ;)
The small details could be merged somehow. Just like a profile picture of the helmet with the top to be better that the current version.

Just my 2c.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: KEYGEM on Mon, 27 April 2020, 14:34:00
Interesting set!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Tstorm23 on Wed, 29 April 2020, 21:46:45
Hello i am new to keyboards but i need this set the color way is :p unreal. thank you and please make this happen community
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: delet_d on Mon, 04 May 2020, 00:46:23
Any update on what will be changed according to the google form entries so far?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: crusader_alex on Mon, 04 May 2020, 12:29:54
Any update on what will be changed according to the google form entries so far?
The polls are actually absolutely even, it's been that way from the start of the poll. So I suppose there are only two options here, either split the kit again and hope that both make MOQ or keep the kit as is.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: kidviddy on Mon, 04 May 2020, 17:08:01
I just ran across this set and I really like it.  I don't know if it's too late to talk about changes, but I just wanted to make a couple of suggestions:


These are written more or less in order of how much they matter to me.  I'd probably build this using an ISO layout so I'd want to double-check that this could be made to work; looks like it should though, at first glance.

EDIT: I'm guessing from your location field that you are Greek, so sorry if my explanations of the diacritics above seem a little bit "mansplainy", haha. I really just wrote them to clarify which thing I was typing; in the instance of ;, for example, I believe this is actually a different unicode code-point than the semicolon ;.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 04 May 2020, 20:48:36
I just ran across this set and I really like it.  I don't know if it's too late to talk about changes, but I just wanted to make a couple of suggestions:

  • Could you add an R2 [;] (Greek question mark) key to the Greek monolegends set, without the Q on it?  It would be really nice to be able to make a fully Greek layout without a random Q on it spoiling the effect ;-)
  • ISO Support seems like you would need to have two [\ _] keys on the same board.  I'm not sure exactly how an actual Greek keyboard is laid out; one picture I found on the internet had a [< >] key on R4, so maybe that would be a better choice?
  • This is a stretch, but polytonic accent keys would be nice.  That is: R1 [῏], [῍]; R2: [~], [`] (Grave accent); R3 [᾿] (Note this is a smooth breathing mark, not an apostrophe); and R4 [῎] (This is a single character)

These are written more or less in order of how much they matter to me.  I'd probably build this using an ISO layout so I'd want to double-check that this could be made to work; looks like it should though, at first glance.

EDIT: I'm guessing from your location field that you are Greek, so sorry if my explanations of the diacritics above seem a little bit "mansplainy", haha. I really just wrote them to clarify which thing I was typing; in the instance of ;, for example, I believe this is actually a different unicode code-point than the semicolon ;.

+1 on the first two points. KAT Atlantis did a Greek monolegend kit with no replacement key for Q, and it looks... really out of place.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: m1gs on Wed, 06 May 2020, 23:03:22
this is cool, and the deskmats are sick! joining :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: SMOKEY on Thu, 07 May 2020, 01:36:03
Will definitely join! Awesome set!
THIS. IS. SPARTA.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 09 May 2020, 21:13:51
I just ran across this set and I really like it.  I don't know if it's too late to talk about changes, but I just wanted to make a couple of suggestions:

  • Could you add an R2 [;] (Greek question mark) key to the Greek monolegends set, without the Q on it?  It would be really nice to be able to make a fully Greek layout without a random Q on it spoiling the effect ;-)
  • ISO Support seems like you would need to have two [\ _] keys on the same board.  I'm not sure exactly how an actual Greek keyboard is laid out; one picture I found on the internet had a [< >] key on R4, so maybe that would be a better choice?
  • This is a stretch, but polytonic accent keys would be nice.  That is: R1 [῏], [῍]; R2: [~], [`] (Grave accent); R3 [᾿] (Note this is a smooth breathing mark, not an apostrophe); and R4 [῎] (This is a single character)

The Greek national layout is rather different from what we're used to seeing on English keyboards, either the older stuff, as in this Model M keyboard:

[attachimg=1]

or the (presumably) still in vigour standard:

[attachimg=2]



So, if this set is going to go with the fundamental design concept of an English (US) national layout with Greek letters instead of the Latin letters A-Z, while keeping numbers and symbols unaltered, the semicolon ought to remain in what is generally speaking the ;: key, as it is already.

Now, given that the Q keycap would remain unaltered and would look quite out of place, a few alternatives could be considered:
- The (modern) layout places the middot ("", U+00b7) and long dash ("―", U+2015) symbols in the Q keycap.
- If putting both symbols looks weird, perhaps putting only the middot might be an option.
- Or... the sampi letter ("ϡ", U+03e0) could be placed there instead of the "Q"; no one would confuse sampi with a Latin letter, and you kinda need it to write Greek numerals, too.

(or not)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: beernuts171 on Fri, 15 May 2020, 11:06:57
Any update on what will be changed according to the google form entries so far?
The polls are actually absolutely even, it's been that way from the start of the poll. So I suppose there are only two options here, either split the kit again and hope that both make MOQ or keep the kit as is.
I wasn't around for the first go so obviously you know a lot better than I the original struggles, but my vote is keep it as is, something is better than nothing...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Sabin on Thu, 28 May 2020, 07:41:31
I'm a bit confused, has this set dropped yet or has the GB yet to happen? I saw it was listed as out of stock on candy keys website
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Bax on Thu, 28 May 2020, 12:42:10
I'm a bit confused, has this set dropped yet or has the GB yet to happen? I saw it was listed as out of stock on candy keys website

GB is yet to happen, candy keys thingy is the previous GB that failed. Was confused too when I saw it the first time
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Sabin on Thu, 28 May 2020, 14:41:27
I'm a bit confused, has this set dropped yet or has the GB yet to happen? I saw it was listed as out of stock on candy keys website

GB is yet to happen, candy keys thingy is the previous GB that failed. Was confused too when I saw it the first time

Ah right thanks for clarifying. Well i'm glad i didn't miss it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: stealthzero on Thu, 28 May 2020, 21:04:35
Im in for this one.  It just pops to me with that colorway and the novelty keys are sick.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Halcyrin on Fri, 29 May 2020, 12:43:15
I found out about this after it failed, but Im glad its picking back up. Thought my eyes were playing tricks on me!
Would love to grab base, greek, and the deskmats. Good luck!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: vheissu on Wed, 08 July 2020, 02:04:49
Any update?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: SMOKEY on Wed, 08 July 2020, 02:14:02
Ne update avail? ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: savageastr0naut on Thu, 16 July 2020, 19:08:16
This set is absolutely stunning. The color choices, the Greek alphas, the deskmats - great work. I am not one for novelty kits, since I prefer artisans, but this one matches the set well.

The only recommendation I have is to consider artisan collabs. IMO, an ArtKey Bull V2 collab (https://artkeyuniverse.com/) will pair nicely. The whole Greek Mythology/Minotaur aspect. Moreover, Melonkeys was teasing a Medusa sculpt (https://www.instagram.com/p/CCfoX7mn4v0/) that I feel would fit in perfectly.

Nonetheless, glad this is going to be offered again. I am impatiently waiting.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: dibstern on Wed, 12 August 2020, 06:47:58
Ah nooooooooo. I was so so keen, especially with the Rama keycap, but thats gone and I noticed that there are no Mac modifiers :( :( :( :(

Its such a beautiful set.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Lord_Rabel on Wed, 12 August 2020, 08:55:22
This. Is. Awesoommeee
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: shansoft on Tue, 18 August 2020, 17:15:28
Any update on this?

 :(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Tyson on Tue, 18 August 2020, 17:35:49
Any update on this?

 :(

Updates have been posted in OPs discord, the set is still going to run. I'm sure OP will update more info when the time comes.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: MdotMaxson on Fri, 21 August 2020, 06:47:59
I still think all one has todo to double sales of this set is rename it to GMK Trojan and post a flyer somewhere on campus at USC. Or throw it into one of those USC alumni email chains....  but yeah GMK Sparta might sell this next time too.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: constantinos on Wed, 07 October 2020, 10:09:00
Any update on potential GB timing?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Hellenic94 on Tue, 17 November 2020, 06:49:16
No updates for months :( This does not look good...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: 2QT2BSTR8 on Wed, 18 November 2020, 00:51:34
It will happen eventually, likely through Drop. Can't wait to throw lots of money at this set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: constantinos on Wed, 18 November 2020, 08:55:41
looking fwd to this
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: ligongduck on Wed, 18 November 2020, 09:39:46
No update on this set?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: itsVinz on Tue, 05 January 2021, 05:18:20
Consider having a Canadian proxy like Deskhero? :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: dibstern on Tue, 05 January 2021, 06:02:13
Ortho kit! Rama keycap! The set is too nice to run without them. Please and thank you!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Skok on Tue, 19 January 2021, 22:38:17
I really can not see how this set failed the first time around. It is easily top tier in regards to the novelties, colors, and desk mats. If or when this comes back, I'm all in and I've never said that before.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Ram on Tue, 19 January 2021, 22:50:12
noice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: DuellM on Wed, 20 January 2021, 00:25:01
They keyboard hobby has exploded since this ran. If this were to run now it would sell 500 keysets easy. I would be surprised if it did over 1000.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: ai06L on Wed, 10 March 2021, 08:20:39
how this failed idk, but if it comes back, this is a no-brainer
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: gordonderp on Thu, 11 March 2021, 05:49:14
Has anybody contacted OP about making this set? It would be a shame that if it never gets made
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: MichelKami on Sun, 14 March 2021, 13:24:40
I need that white deskmat so, God willing, i hope this runs lol :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: vheissu on Sun, 14 March 2021, 15:33:11
please don't let this project die
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: Hellenic94 on Wed, 17 March 2021, 16:56:14
Has anybody contacted OP about making this set? It would be a shame that if it never gets made

So the latest update we got was in February, Drop replied saying they are ready to talk about a GB date but they are way too slow. The project will move on but theres no timeline as of yet, perhaps in Q2.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Rising from the ashes
Post by: blur410 on Sat, 20 March 2021, 01:35:26
Looking forward to the set if there is a gb on Drop, I do love my funky legend keycaps. While I cant "touch type" in the typical sense, I do know through memorization ANSI layout and don't mind having any legend, so long as they look good and each key looks different. I don't like blank keycaps because they can be disorienting in a flash situation for gaming or if your hunting for a relatively little used key.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Launched on Drop.com
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Mon, 03 May 2021, 21:36:45
GB is live on Drop now.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Launched on Drop.com
Post by: crusader_alex on Tue, 04 May 2021, 06:44:04
Hello everyone,
Sorry for the lateness with this but as someone mentioned already I'm extremely happy to announce that GMK Sparta is live on Drop!

Please continue the thread here
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=112621.0