Author Topic: graphics card upgrade  (Read 24533 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 01:05:11 »
GTX 1050 Ti is still available in-store for AUD$240-260.  Second-hand is anything from $150 up, with dozens of bids and days to go.  There are a bunch of "new" "unbranded" cards on eBay for under $100 - those are probably the Chinese clones.  I'll avoid those.  All these prices exclude postage, btw, so at end of auction including postage they probably won't be far off the price of a new card.

Unfortunately this is starting to push the price a bit higher than I would have liked.
Oh man, I'd forgotten how badly Aussie hardware price sucks the big one......I was astounded at the prices I see in eBay Australia. Are you set on nVidia, or would you consider AMD? The latter has great bang for buck value, consider the RX470....
https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xrx+470.TRS0&_nkw=rx+470&_sacat=27386&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=27386&_odkw=rx+480&LH_TitleDesc=0

Look at the Int'l listing, some can be had for pretty cheap. In my neck of the wood, an RX 580 8GB can be had for about 284AUD.....


I do understand your trepidation when it comes to buying used, the difference with me is, I get to meet up with the seller to test that the card is working. When I'd gotten my GTX 1080, the seller tested it by getting to POST. As card is under warranty, and should I encounter any issue, I could go to the distro service center to have it checked.

I always had Nvidia GPUs and Intel CPUs.  Then one day I got an Athlon 64 when they were still new and fresh.  Since then I've had a mix of Nvidia and AMD GPUs, but still mostly Intel CPUs.

If I start looking at AMD now, I'll have to start learning all their model numbers and stuff :))

This PC runs Windows 7 btw, if that makes any sense (driver-wise, perhaps).  It was supplied with Win7 back in the day, and I have no plans to upgrade to 10.  7 suits the games I want to play anyway.

RX 470, you say?  How about the Asus Mining RX 470 - "ASUS Mining RX 470 is designed for coin mining with high-efficiency components - delivering maximum hash-rate production at minimum cost." :eek:  That's the only one I could find new at the usual stores.

So as far as the RX 470 second-hand goes, one is listed for $150, the rest are $210 and up.

A bit out of the budget, unfortunately, although it sounds like a nice card.

The thing with newer cards is that they benchmark them using games of the period, most of which I have not got and some never even heard of.  A card from 5 or 6 years ago would probably be benchmarked using some of the games I've got, but would be a bit less future-proof.

Years ago there used to be a site listing a comparison of hundreds of graphics cards, from the latest (at the time) top of the range down to the most humble embedded GPU.  Is that still going?  I can't find any bookmarks and searches don't turn up more than a comparison of the latest dozen or so cards with a particular theme.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline Leslieann

  • * Elevated Elder
  • Posts: 4519
Novelkeys NK65AE w/62g Zilents/39g springs
More
62g Zilents/lubed/Novelkeys 39g springs, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, pic
| Filco MJ2 L.E. Vortex Case, Jailhouse Blues, heavily customized
More
Vortex case squared up/blasted finish removed/custom feet/paint/winkey blockoff plate, HID Liberator, stainless steel universal plate, 3d printed adapters, Type C, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, foam sound dampened, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps (o-ringed), Cherry Jailhouse Blues w/lubed/clipped Cherry light springs, 40g actuation
| GMMK TKL
More
w/ Kailh Purple Pros/lubed/Novelkeys 39g springs, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, Netdot Gen10 Magnetic cable
| PF65 3d printed 65% w/LCD and hot swap
More
Box Jades, Interchangeable trim, mini lcd, QMK, underglow, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, O-rings, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, in progress link
| Magicforce 68
More
MF68 pcb, Outemu Blues, in progress
| YMDK75 Jail Housed Gateron Blues
More
J-spacers, YMDK Thick PBT, O-rings, SIP sockets
| KBT Race S L.E.
More
Ergo Clears, custom WASD caps
| Das Pro
More
Costar model with browns
| GH60
More
Cherry Blacks, custom 3d printed case
| Logitech Illumininated | IBM Model M (x2)
Definitive Omron Guide. | 3d printed Keyboard FAQ/Discussion

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 02:27:36 »
Try this:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
and this:
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-470/3649vs3640

Thanks!

I found the first site earlier - it is the one that compares a dozen or so relatively recent cards.

The second one though, wow!  It even has the HD5450 on it (the current card), and either the 5050 Ti or the HD 470 is "insanely better" than it.  So whatever I get is likely going to be anywhere from considerably to insanely better than what I have now :))
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline Carcharocles

  • Posts: 102
  • Location: In the lonely, desolate wasteland of South Kansas City
    • The Deathscape Mythos
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #53 on: Sun, 30 September 2018, 22:32:37 »
But ...

The PC has a 24-pin and a 4-pin power cable plugged into it.  The Focus Gold PSU (both of them) say it has non-modular 24-pin and 8-pin ATX cables.  The PSU specifications indicate it is supplied with main power 24/20 pins and CPU 8/4 pins - how does that work?  It is 8 pin or 4 pin?  Is it two 4 pin plugs that can sit side by side?  Is the mobo too old and I have to look for a PSU with only 4 pin plug?

Sorry for all the questions, I am so far out of date with this stuff.

This post suggests that the 8-pin plug separates into 2 x 4-pin plugs, and either can be used.
Seasonic PSU's basically have a 8 pin connector that is broken into two parts, so yes, Dell's article is correct.

Also, AMD's mining cards are for mining only. They don't use the same drivers, and they often don't have any video ports. Even if they do, AMD's software will refuse to install the drivers needed for gaming--it's a bad deal for a gaming computer, even a light one playing old games.
T1000 , Firmware ver. Doge.

Most deadly of them all.
Keyboards: Drevo Gramr (Outemu Browns); Logitech K480

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #54 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 06:15:56 »
The 1050 Ti and RX 470 are both "hugely better" than the GTX 750 Ti, but also hugely more expensive.

Also unfortunately the used GTX 750 Ti sold.

For my reference:

GeForce GTX 750 Ti ~ AUD$90 (used)
GeForce GTX 970 ~ AUD$150
Radeon RX 550 ~ AUD$160
AMD RX 470 ~ AUD$200
GeForce GTX 750 Ti ~ AUD$200
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$250
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$430
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$730

Seasonic Focus Gold 450W ~ AUD$99
Seasonic Focus Gold 650W ~ AUD$129

Curiously the GTX 970 comes out considerably better than the GTX 1050 Ti.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-970/3649vs2577

And is about half the price.

So, what about a GTX 970 + Seasonic Gold 450W?
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 07:08:16 »

Curiously the GTX 970 comes out considerably better than the GTX 1050 Ti.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-970/3649vs2577

And is about half the price.

So, what about a GTX 970 + Seasonic Gold 450W?

Yea because of that memory controller problem. if you hit the last 500mb, it's low bandwidth

But, if you manage to stay below 3.5gb of vram use, there shouldn't be any microstutters.

Offline xtrafrood

  • formerly csmertx
  • * Elevated Elder
  • Posts: 2715
  • Location: Gainesville, FL
  • wildling
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 08:08:54 »
Try this:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
and this:
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-470/3649vs3640

Thanks!

I found the first site earlier - it is the one that compares a dozen or so relatively recent cards.

The second one though, wow!  It even has the HD5450 on it (the current card), and either the 5050 Ti or the HD 470 is "insanely better" than it.  So whatever I get is likely going to be anywhere from considerably to insanely better than what I have now :))

I'm running an HD5450 as well (core 2 duo, heh). Luckily the most demanding game I play is from ~2009 with hardware requirements from ~2004. Holy moly, I had no idea that there is an AGP card that'll outperform a HD5450 (GeForce 6800 GS)  :eek:

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 08:22:53 »

I'm running an HD5450 as well (core 2 duo, heh). Luckily the most demanding game I play is from ~2009 with hardware requirements from ~2004. Holy moly, I had no idea that there is an AGP card that'll outperform a HD5450 (GeForce 6800 GS)  :eek:


Yea but what if you want to play Overwatch at maximum settings at 4K w/ 200% render scale..

Gonna need at least a 2080Ti for just 60 fps..

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 16:58:17 »

I'm running an HD5450 as well (core 2 duo, heh). Luckily the most demanding game I play is from ~2009 with hardware requirements from ~2004. Holy moly, I had no idea that there is an AGP card that'll outperform a HD5450 (GeForce 6800 GS)  :eek:


Yea but what if you want to play Overwatch at maximum settings at 4K w/ 200% render scale..

Gonna need at least a 2080Ti for just 60 fps..


Overwatch far too recent for me - most of my games are 5+ years old.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 18:04:31 »

Overwatch far too recent for me - most of my games are 5+ years old.

It's like team fortress, except on Roids.. Also plenty of $$ Skins to collect.

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 21:49:16 »

Overwatch far too recent for me - most of my games are 5+ years old.

It's like team fortress, except on Roids.. Also plenty of $$ Skins to collect.

I don't play Team Fortress either.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #61 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 22:33:25 »

I don't play Team Fortress either.

But, E-sports !!

This is our time rowdy,  we're finally the kewl  (middle aged men)

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #62 on: Tue, 02 October 2018, 22:41:30 »

I don't play Team Fortress either.

But, E-sports !!

This is our time rowdy,  we're finally the kewl  (middle aged men)


Reflexes slowing down, can't keep up with the twitchy kids.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 00:21:49 »
So, what about a GTX 970 + Seasonic Gold 450W?

Damn, Nvidia recommend 500W PSU for this card.

Plus I can't find a reasonably priced card, even secondhand.

The GTX 970 was released in Q3 2014.  What is the model before that, maybe release 6 to 12 months earlier?  The 960?  870?  Nvidia card numbers are not so straight-forward.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline SBJ

  • Posts: 1191
  • Location: Denmark / The city.
  • Tactile pls
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 01:52:42 »
So, what about a GTX 970 + Seasonic Gold 450W?

Damn, Nvidia recommend 500W PSU for this card.

Plus I can't find a reasonably priced card, even secondhand.

The GTX 970 was released in Q3 2014.  What is the model before that, maybe release 6 to 12 months earlier?  The 960?  870?  Nvidia card numbers are not so straight-forward.
I think that's the 770.

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 07:12:01 »
So, what about a GTX 970 + Seasonic Gold 450W?

Damn, Nvidia recommend 500W PSU for this card.

Plus I can't find a reasonably priced card, even secondhand.

The GTX 970 was released in Q3 2014.  What is the model before that, maybe release 6 to 12 months earlier?  The 960?  870?  Nvidia card numbers are not so straight-forward.
I think that's the 770.

You probably want 500 just in case, but overall there's no reason to buy something less, because they're not cheaper or physically smaller.

Offline Carcharocles

  • Posts: 102
  • Location: In the lonely, desolate wasteland of South Kansas City
    • The Deathscape Mythos
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #66 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 19:15:45 »
Keep in mind power supply requirements are usually overstated to avoid lawsuits caused by damage resulting from using low quality PSU's that can't consistently output their rated power. The 970 uses less than 170 watts in and of itself, unless there is a substantial overclock. That said, 450 watts would be pushing it with a first gen i5 setup.
T1000 , Firmware ver. Doge.

Most deadly of them all.
Keyboards: Drevo Gramr (Outemu Browns); Logitech K480

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 22:14:00 »
I think that's the 770.

Wouldn't have guessed that :))

They are not available new any more, used there are 2 listings for $51 and $99, still with a few days to go so the prices will probably increase.  The next cheapest is $349 for a Mac Pro :eek:

*sigh*

I wonder if the generation before that would ...

You probably want 500 just in case, but overall there's no reason to buy something less, because they're not cheaper or physically smaller.

Focus Gold 450W = $99
Focus Gold 650W = $129

500W variant is not listed, although there is Focus Plus Gold 550W = $145.

Keep in mind power supply requirements are usually overstated to avoid lawsuits caused by damage resulting from using low quality PSU's that can't consistently output their rated power. The 970 uses less than 170 watts in and of itself, unless there is a substantial overclock. That said, 450 watts would be pushing it with a first gen i5 setup.

It's got a 300W PSU in it atm.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline Carcharocles

  • Posts: 102
  • Location: In the lonely, desolate wasteland of South Kansas City
    • The Deathscape Mythos
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 03 October 2018, 23:05:27 »
Actually, I meant with a graphics card installed as well. That 300 watt unit in the rig right now is probably good enough to run the rig as it currently is, I just wouldn't trust it for anything more. Especially regarding Dell, a company known for cheaping out in every way they can.

The thing about power supplies is if you don't give them a decent amount of wiggle-room, you're making yourself vulnerable to stuff like capacitor aging (not too much of a problem with the ones Seasonic uses, but still present). It will also have problems maintaining good efficiency, which would ruin the point of getting an 80+ Gold PSU.

One thing to point out if you're trying to save money: Silver, Gold and Platinum power supplies aren't any more stable than 80+ or 80+ Bronze. They're just more efficient. Try to find a 500 - 550 watt 80+ Bronze Seasonic unit if you can. As long as it's ATX and in a black (or blackish) box, it will be more than stable enough for a gaming system. I would be wary of units that aren't at least 80+ Bronze though--those are usually very old power supplies, and may not meet stability requirements for a modern system.
T1000 , Firmware ver. Doge.

Most deadly of them all.
Keyboards: Drevo Gramr (Outemu Browns); Logitech K480

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 04 October 2018, 08:31:01 »

Focus Gold 450W = $99
Focus Gold 650W = $129



Jesus,  in America, basic Seasonic 500watt units go for $30

Offline Carcharocles

  • Posts: 102
  • Location: In the lonely, desolate wasteland of South Kansas City
    • The Deathscape Mythos
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #70 on: Thu, 04 October 2018, 13:10:56 »

Focus Gold 450W = $99
Focus Gold 650W = $129



Jesus,  in America, basic Seasonic 500watt units go for $30

Not the Focus Gold series. They may basically be replacing the S12-II series, but these prices are probably not too far off the US prices when adjusted for currency values. I'd say the 450 watt would probably be closer to 50 or 60 USD without checking, though, so that one probably is outrageous.
T1000 , Firmware ver. Doge.

Most deadly of them all.
Keyboards: Drevo Gramr (Outemu Browns); Logitech K480

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #71 on: Thu, 04 October 2018, 21:58:53 »
Actually, I meant with a graphics card installed as well. That 300 watt unit in the rig right now is probably good enough to run the rig as it currently is, I just wouldn't trust it for anything more. Especially regarding Dell, a company known for cheaping out in every way they can.

The thing about power supplies is if you don't give them a decent amount of wiggle-room, you're making yourself vulnerable to stuff like capacitor aging (not too much of a problem with the ones Seasonic uses, but still present). It will also have problems maintaining good efficiency, which would ruin the point of getting an 80+ Gold PSU.

One thing to point out if you're trying to save money: Silver, Gold and Platinum power supplies aren't any more stable than 80+ or 80+ Bronze. They're just more efficient. Try to find a 500 - 550 watt 80+ Bronze Seasonic unit if you can. As long as it's ATX and in a black (or blackish) box, it will be more than stable enough for a gaming system. I would be wary of units that aren't at least 80+ Bronze though--those are usually very old power supplies, and may not meet stability requirements for a modern system.

I can get:

Cooler Master MWE Bronze 550W = AUD$69 (the description says it is 80+)
SilverStone Essential ET650-B Bronze 650W = AUD$79 (description also says 80+)

I only went Seasonic as someone above suggested it, but one of these would be better as they are cheaper and I will have a bit more left over for the GPU.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #72 on: Thu, 04 October 2018, 22:41:18 »

I can get:

Cooler Master MWE Bronze 550W = AUD$69 (the description says it is 80+)
SilverStone Essential ET650-B Bronze 650W = AUD$79 (description also says 80+)

I only went Seasonic as someone above suggested it, but one of these would be better as they are cheaper and I will have a bit more left over for the GPU.

Anything made by seasonic, is FINE for what you're doing.

Don't worry about the efficiency rating..


Offline Carcharocles

  • Posts: 102
  • Location: In the lonely, desolate wasteland of South Kansas City
    • The Deathscape Mythos
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 05 October 2018, 00:06:45 »
I can get:

Cooler Master MWE Bronze 550W = AUD$69 (the description says it is 80+)
SilverStone Essential ET650-B Bronze 650W = AUD$79 (description also says 80+

Bronze indicates 80+ Bronze. Of the two, I'd feel safer with the Silverstone, simply because they have a better reputation for quality consistency (Cooler Master has put out some very terrible units in the past). However, the reason they're so low in price is because they're bargain-bin units--they're adequate for the job, but they are not meant to be used on gaming rigs.

Check out some reviews on jonnyGURU or HardOCP before you decide on a power supply. Especially jonnyGURU--that site performs in depth reviews and takedowns. If something is recommended by their site, I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. If it gets below a 9 in total score, however, I'd avoid it if possible.

I'd also recommend looking into Corsair's TXM units if you can find a cheap place that sells them. CXM units from Corsair if they are 2016 or newer--the older ones cheap out on capacitors (avoid any CX psu that doesn't have an M at the end of its model number, as they will be pre 2016). Possibly the BeQuiet PurePower 10 CM 500 watt, although be careful as it has no surge suppression. I still recommend the S12II/M12II Seasonic units, IF you can find them for less than 100 dollars; they will likely be cheaper than the Focus PSU's.
T1000 , Firmware ver. Doge.

Most deadly of them all.
Keyboards: Drevo Gramr (Outemu Browns); Logitech K480

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 05 October 2018, 07:45:58 »
Jonnyguru's samples are not retail channel purchased ,   if someone scoped retail samples, they're going to be way off,

There is NO WAY retail samples will nail the kind of percentages of cherry picked PSUs for review..

Jonny let's manufacturers game his test for the money,  he's a shill through and through

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #75 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 04:58:53 »
Bronze indicates 80+ Bronze. Of the two, I'd feel safer with the Silverstone, simply because they have a better reputation for quality consistency (Cooler Master has put out some very terrible units in the past). However, the reason they're so low in price is because they're bargain-bin units--they're adequate for the job, but they are not meant to be used on gaming rigs.

Check out some reviews on jonnyGURU or HardOCP before you decide on a power supply. Especially jonnyGURU--that site performs in depth reviews and takedowns. If something is recommended by their site, I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. If it gets below a 9 in total score, however, I'd avoid it if possible.

I'd also recommend looking into Corsair's TXM units if you can find a cheap place that sells them. CXM units from Corsair if they are 2016 or newer--the older ones cheap out on capacitors (avoid any CX psu that doesn't have an M at the end of its model number, as they will be pre 2016). Possibly the BeQuiet PurePower 10 CM 500 watt, although be careful as it has no surge suppression. I still recommend the S12II/M12II Seasonic units, IF you can find them for less than 100 dollars; they will likely be cheaper than the Focus PSU's.

I found Corsair CX450M 450W for $79 and Corsair CX550M 550W for $99 and Corsair CX650M 650W for $109.

Cue tp4 saying they are like $40 in the US, but these prices are from PCCaseGear which is kinda local (although not a retail store) and has reasonable prices.  You can get cheaper, but have to go further afield.  Also I got my first two modern mechanical keyboards from there :)  And a few other bits and pieces over the years.

For my reference:

GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2 GB ~ AUD$85 (used)
GeForce GTX 970 ~ AUD$150
Radeon RX 550 ~ AUD$160
AMD RX 470 ~ AUD$200
GeForce GTX 750 Ti ~ AUD$200
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti ~ AUD$250
GeForce GTX 1060 ~ AUD$430
GeForce GTX 1080 ~ AUD$730

Seasonic Focus Gold 450W ~ AUD$99
Seasonic Focus Gold 650W ~ AUD$129
Corsair CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79
Corsair CX550M 550W ~ AUD$99
Corsair CX650M 650W ~ AUD$109
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #76 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 05:03:11 »
Latest proposal:

Gainward GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2 GB ~ AUD$85 (used)
Corsair CX550M 550W ~ AUD$99 (new)

According to Nvidia, the specifications for the GTX 750 Ti it consumes 60W power and suggest 300W PSU, so the 550W would be more than up to the job.  If the 450W is as good, that would save me another $20, but getting the 550W now would save potentially upgrading both PSU and GPU in a couple of years time.

Any comments on that combination?

Thank you to everyone who has contributed so far - it turns out that choosing a GPU and PSU is far more confusing than the myriad of options available for a keyboard :))
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #77 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 06:54:48 »
https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=rx+580&_sacat=0&LH_ItemCondition=3000&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=13


If you bid, rx 580 seems to go for ~ 200-260ish which incl shipping

750 ti is not an option, stop thinkin' it.


At the VERY LEAST , get the 970..

Offline Carcharocles

  • Posts: 102
  • Location: In the lonely, desolate wasteland of South Kansas City
    • The Deathscape Mythos
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 16:19:32 »
Look, TP, he won't be browsing the internet, watching nifty Hulu, Netflix or Youtube streams  or doing decoding with this. The RX 580 will actually be massively bottlenecked by his processor--a first gen i5, which is only slightly more powerful than a stock Bulldozer/Phenom II processor. He's playing old games that--for the most part--won't even stress a 750 Ti. He also has massive budgetary concerns that limit his ability to purchase a more modern graphics card, and he's in Australia where prices and stock are a joke (I've looked--they're still selling circa 2000 Corsair power supplies in some of those stores for a price comparable to the Focus Gold).

It's also incredibly rude to tell people what their options are and are not. When it comes down to it, it's his money, not yours. He could blow it all on a Cougar power supply, a Voodoo 1 graphics card and a six pack of beer if he wants, that's his call. He's wanting help, not pestering.

@Rowdy, yeah, the CXM aren't top tier, but they're high enough quality for the rig you're running. Given the few Aussie-based stores I've looked at don't have much in the way of competition in your price range, I'd say grab the CX550M. These units are stable and clean enough that I wouldn't think twice about recommending them to someone in a pinch. And hey, all Japanese caps (this is a big deal in power supplies, as it greatly lengthens the lifespan of the unit and allows a bit cleaner power--that alone makes it a better buy than the Master Watt, which uses Teapo caps). Just make sure the power supply is a gray box unit before you buy. If the box isn't gray, try to find it somewhere else where it is.

As far as Gainward as a GPU brand goes, I don't know much about them, I'm guessing they're a more local brand. I don't think they sell cards in my area, so I have no experience with them. As far as the actual card goes, assuming the previous owner didn't damage it you'll be fine--all graphics cards are basically made from the same parts, and put together by OEM's either as a kit or the OEM just slaps a different heatsink and maybe a backplate on a card from the original manufacturer, possibly overclocking it a few megahertz. So card construction is hardly an issue. And I doubt the heatsink is much of an issue either. If you have a way to stress it and check the fans before you buy, do so.

By the way, the 750 Ti sips power compared to more modern cards. It has a 60 watt TDP, which means it will run cool too. If you're really tight for cash and set on a 750 Ti, grab the 450 watt CMX unit. You'll be fine with that setup. Theoretically, you could even use this on a 300 watt power supply, but with the age of the computer and the fact that the PSU is a Dell, I wouldn't want to risk it.

Just be warned that you won't be running games like Far Cry 3 (one of the more demanding games during its release) at 1080p 60 FPS with this card. 720p however will work fine (which is the resolution I think you said you'll be using? I can't remember).
« Last Edit: Sat, 06 October 2018, 16:34:34 by Carcharocles »
T1000 , Firmware ver. Doge.

Most deadly of them all.
Keyboards: Drevo Gramr (Outemu Browns); Logitech K480

Offline switchnollie

  • sleever supreme
  • * Exquisite Elder
  • Posts: 1631
  • Location: 白い帽子
  • greyhat co-leader
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #79 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 17:25:47 »
Not sure if it's worldwide but sometimes ebay has 15-20% off sitewide where you can get a good deal.
Picked up a 1080 for $250 the other week when it was on.

You looking for a 750ti?
I have one that's not being used now since the 1080 replaced a 780ti which replaced the 750ti.
Can send it on over although it does have a 6pin connector, not sure if you have to use it though.
Heard that sometimes that extra is just to help OC.


Keyboards: HHKB Pro 1 & OTD 356CL Dark Greyhat Edition, baybee!

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 17:27:34 »
Not sure if it's worldwide but sometimes ebay has 15-20% off sitewide where you can get a good deal.
Picked up a 1080 for $250 the other week when it was on.

You looking for a 750ti?
I have one that's not being used now since the 1080 replaced a 780ti which replaced the 750ti.
Can send it on over although it does have a 6pin connector, not sure if you have to use it though.
Heard that sometimes that extra is just to help OC.

1080 for 250 ?

whaaaaaaa.....  now way.... whaaaaaa...

Was this bid or buy it now.

Offline Leslieann

  • * Elevated Elder
  • Posts: 4519
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #81 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 19:36:47 »
Look, TP, he won't be browsing the internet, watching nifty Hulu, Netflix or Youtube streams  or doing decoding with this. The RX 580 will actually be massively bottlenecked by his processor--a first gen i5, which is only slightly more powerful than a stock Bulldozer/Phenom II processor.

As far as Gainward as a GPU brand goes, I don't know much about them.

Gainward is an older brand, but they were not bad.
I get where Tp is coming from while not entirely agreeing with him. The 750 was a pretty lowly card even when it was new, at this point it's not only a lowly card, but an old and lowly card. It's just a bad choice, it just is.



Rowdy, look for a used 950, you should be able to find one for only a little more than a 750.
You might also be able to find Radeon 7850 or better, I found them for about the same price as a 750 but they perform about the same as a 760. I even found 7870's for a few bucks more and those are close to a gtx1050 in performance. I even found 7970s going for very cheap.

Check the chart here and start working your way up and see what you can get.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-HD-6970-vs-Nvidia-GTX-750/m7712vs3162
Novelkeys NK65AE w/62g Zilents/39g springs
More
62g Zilents/lubed/Novelkeys 39g springs, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, pic
| Filco MJ2 L.E. Vortex Case, Jailhouse Blues, heavily customized
More
Vortex case squared up/blasted finish removed/custom feet/paint/winkey blockoff plate, HID Liberator, stainless steel universal plate, 3d printed adapters, Type C, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, foam sound dampened, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps (o-ringed), Cherry Jailhouse Blues w/lubed/clipped Cherry light springs, 40g actuation
| GMMK TKL
More
w/ Kailh Purple Pros/lubed/Novelkeys 39g springs, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, Netdot Gen10 Magnetic cable
| PF65 3d printed 65% w/LCD and hot swap
More
Box Jades, Interchangeable trim, mini lcd, QMK, underglow, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, O-rings, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, in progress link
| Magicforce 68
More
MF68 pcb, Outemu Blues, in progress
| YMDK75 Jail Housed Gateron Blues
More
J-spacers, YMDK Thick PBT, O-rings, SIP sockets
| KBT Race S L.E.
More
Ergo Clears, custom WASD caps
| Das Pro
More
Costar model with browns
| GH60
More
Cherry Blacks, custom 3d printed case
| Logitech Illumininated | IBM Model M (x2)
Definitive Omron Guide. | 3d printed Keyboard FAQ/Discussion

Offline switchnollie

  • sleever supreme
  • * Exquisite Elder
  • Posts: 1631
  • Location: 白い帽子
  • greyhat co-leader
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 20:30:56 »
Not sure if it's worldwide but sometimes ebay has 15-20% off sitewide where you can get a good deal.
Picked up a 1080 for $250 the other week when it was on.

You looking for a 750ti?
I have one that's not being used now since the 1080 replaced a 780ti which replaced the 750ti.
Can send it on over although it does have a 6pin connector, not sure if you have to use it though.
Heard that sometimes that extra is just to help OC.

1080 for 250 ?

whaaaaaaa.....  now way.... whaaaaaa...

Was this bid or buy it now.


Buy it now, the card was listed for $315 & I had 20% off :cool:

It was a rear exhaust cooler which is why I think they listed it that low but it was the EVGA one which is actually good.
I think they actually changed some stuff inside rather than just slapping on the blower like the plastic MSI & Gigabyte ones which tend overheat, mine doesn't go over 80C.


Keyboards: HHKB Pro 1 & OTD 356CL Dark Greyhat Edition, baybee!

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #83 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 20:34:46 »


Buy it now, the card was listed for $315 & I had 20% off :cool:

It was a rear exhaust cooler which is why I think they listed it that low but it was the EVGA one which is actually good.
I think they actually changed some stuff inside rather than just slapping on the blower like the plastic MSI & Gigabyte ones which tend overheat, mine doesn't go over 80C.

They had those evga aio water blocks on sale a while back for $40 i think..



Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 21:16:13 »
Look, TP, he won't be browsing the internet, watching nifty Hulu, Netflix or Youtube streams  or doing decoding with this. The RX 580 will actually be massively bottlenecked by his processor--a first gen i5, which is only slightly more powerful than a stock Bulldozer/Phenom II processor. He's playing old games that--for the most part--won't even stress a 750 Ti. He also has massive budgetary concerns that limit his ability to purchase a more modern graphics card, and he's in Australia where prices and stock are a joke (I've looked--they're still selling circa 2000 Corsair power supplies in some of those stores for a price comparable to the Focus Gold).

tp4 just bein' tp4 - he's full of valuable information, but sometimes just has difficulty communicating the relevant bits :)

Not sure if it's worldwide but sometimes ebay has 15-20% off sitewide where you can get a good deal.
Picked up a 1080 for $250 the other week when it was on.

You looking for a 750ti?
I have one that's not being used now since the 1080 replaced a 780ti which replaced the 750ti.
Can send it on over although it does have a 6pin connector, not sure if you have to use it though.
Heard that sometimes that extra is just to help OC.

I've seen that on the Aussie eBay sometimes, but waiting around for it to happen - most likely easier just to grab what's available now.  Knowing my luck, if I wait for the discount period, no suitable GPUs will appear :))
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 21:41:36 »
Gainward is an older brand, but they were not bad.
I get where Tp is coming from while not entirely agreeing with him. The 750 was a pretty lowly card even when it was new, at this point it's not only a lowly card, but an old and lowly card. It's just a bad choice, it just is.

Rowdy, look for a used 950, you should be able to find one for only a little more than a 750.
You might also be able to find Radeon 7850 or better, I found them for about the same price as a 750 but they perform about the same as a 760. I even found 7870's for a few bucks more and those are close to a gtx1050 in performance. I even found 7970s going for very cheap.

Check the chart here and start working your way up and see what you can get.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-HD-6970-vs-Nvidia-GTX-750/m7712vs3162

The quiet voice of reason - thankyou again :)

I picked the Gainward because (a) it was the only one available at the time, and (b) at least it is a brand, not a no-brand half-price Chinese card (which flood eBay Australia btw - even ones allegedly coming from NSW have exactly the same picture, description and price as the half-price cards coming directly from China).

I have found a couple of used 950 for around AUD$130.  Nvidia recommends a 350W PSU for this card.  If I can get the cheaper PSU (CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79) I think I can get away with $130 for the GPU - total upgrade cost $209.  A bit more than I was hoping for, but my hope was tempered by the knowledge that any information I had on this subject was about a decade out of date.

The 950 is "much" or "hugely" better than the 750, according to that fantastic comparison site you linked - thank you again for that.

Looks like the 950 was succeeded by the 960, but the 960 starts from $180 (used) which puts it a bit out of the price range.

So, the latest proposal is:

GeForce GTX 950 2GB ~ AUD$130 (used)
Corsair CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79 (new)
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 06 October 2018, 21:58:54 »
Gainward is an older brand, but they were not bad.
I get where Tp is coming from while not entirely agreeing with him. The 750 was a pretty lowly card even when it was new, at this point it's not only a lowly card, but an old and lowly card. It's just a bad choice, it just is.

Rowdy, look for a used 950, you should be able to find one for only a little more than a 750.
You might also be able to find Radeon 7850 or better, I found them for about the same price as a 750 but they perform about the same as a 760. I even found 7870's for a few bucks more and those are close to a gtx1050 in performance. I even found 7970s going for very cheap.

Check the chart here and start working your way up and see what you can get.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-HD-6970-vs-Nvidia-GTX-750/m7712vs3162

The quiet voice of reason - thankyou again :)

I picked the Gainward because (a) it was the only one available at the time, and (b) at least it is a brand, not a no-brand half-price Chinese card (which flood eBay Australia btw - even ones allegedly coming from NSW have exactly the same picture, description and price as the half-price cards coming directly from China).

I have found a couple of used 950 for around AUD$130.  Nvidia recommends a 350W PSU for this card.  If I can get the cheaper PSU (CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79) I think I can get away with $130 for the GPU - total upgrade cost $209.  A bit more than I was hoping for, but my hope was tempered by the knowledge that any information I had on this subject was about a decade out of date.

The 950 is "much" or "hugely" better than the 750, according to that fantastic comparison site you linked - thank you again for that.

Looks like the 950 was succeeded by the 960, but the 960 starts from $180 (used) which puts it a bit out of the price range.

So, the latest proposal is:

GeForce GTX 950 2GB ~ AUD$130 (used)
Corsair CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79 (new)


950 for $130 or   970 is $150 from your list


970 is the best deal , 

It's either the 970   or a 10xx card..


970 will be the default option..

the cx450 will work fine.

for 10xx,  it's because it has hevc/h265 decoding which you WILL need if you use that pc into the future.. but not much of an issue if you eventually buy something like a roku.. 

Offline Leslieann

  • * Elevated Elder
  • Posts: 4519
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #87 on: Sun, 07 October 2018, 00:29:05 »
thankyou again :)
You're welcome.
What you are looking at seems like a good way to go.


For those saying spend a bunch on power, I'm with you, but it needs to be within reason, sometimes good enough is just that.
Novelkeys NK65AE w/62g Zilents/39g springs
More
62g Zilents/lubed/Novelkeys 39g springs, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, pic
| Filco MJ2 L.E. Vortex Case, Jailhouse Blues, heavily customized
More
Vortex case squared up/blasted finish removed/custom feet/paint/winkey blockoff plate, HID Liberator, stainless steel universal plate, 3d printed adapters, Type C, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, foam sound dampened, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps (o-ringed), Cherry Jailhouse Blues w/lubed/clipped Cherry light springs, 40g actuation
| GMMK TKL
More
w/ Kailh Purple Pros/lubed/Novelkeys 39g springs, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, Netdot Gen10 Magnetic cable
| PF65 3d printed 65% w/LCD and hot swap
More
Box Jades, Interchangeable trim, mini lcd, QMK, underglow, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, O-rings, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, in progress link
| Magicforce 68
More
MF68 pcb, Outemu Blues, in progress
| YMDK75 Jail Housed Gateron Blues
More
J-spacers, YMDK Thick PBT, O-rings, SIP sockets
| KBT Race S L.E.
More
Ergo Clears, custom WASD caps
| Das Pro
More
Costar model with browns
| GH60
More
Cherry Blacks, custom 3d printed case
| Logitech Illumininated | IBM Model M (x2)
Definitive Omron Guide. | 3d printed Keyboard FAQ/Discussion

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 07 October 2018, 01:54:15 »
The quiet voice of reason - thankyou again :)

I picked the Gainward because (a) it was the only one available at the time, and (b) at least it is a brand, not a no-brand half-price Chinese card (which flood eBay Australia btw - even ones allegedly coming from NSW have exactly the same picture, description and price as the half-price cards coming directly from China).

I have found a couple of used 950 for around AUD$130.  Nvidia recommends a 350W PSU for this card.  If I can get the cheaper PSU (CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79) I think I can get away with $130 for the GPU - total upgrade cost $209.  A bit more than I was hoping for, but my hope was tempered by the knowledge that any information I had on this subject was about a decade out of date.

The 950 is "much" or "hugely" better than the 750, according to that fantastic comparison site you linked - thank you again for that.

Looks like the 950 was succeeded by the 960, but the 960 starts from $180 (used) which puts it a bit out of the price range.

So, the latest proposal is:

GeForce GTX 950 2GB ~ AUD$130 (used)
Corsair CX450M 450W ~ AUD$79 (new)


950 for $130 or   970 is $150 from your list


970 is the best deal , 

It's either the 970   or a 10xx card..


970 will be the default option..

the cx450 will work fine.

for 10xx,  it's because it has hevc/h265 decoding which you WILL need if you use that pc into the future.. but not much of an issue if you eventually buy something like a roku.. 


The 970 was probably an eBay listing.  It appears to have sold.  There's a couple more listed currently at $110 or so, but with a few days to go.  The "buy it now" ones are in the order of $180 up, which puts it a bit outside my budget.

In any case the 950 is only 3 years old, and most games I have are somewhat older than that.

That's the thing with getting a newer card - the reviews test against newer games, which doesn't give me an indication how it would run older games.  But better, right?  Should be, should be ...

I'm not likely to use the PC for much into the future other than playing the older games I have.  If a newer game comes along I can try it at lower resolution and/or lower details, but for any significantly newer game I'd need a much newer PC anyway.  I know that.  This is not a future-proof PC, just something to get me by for now at minimal cost (cost me $0 and a little time so far).
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 07 October 2018, 07:37:42 »

I'm not likely to use the PC for much into the future other than playing the older games I have.  If a newer game comes along I can try it at lower resolution and/or lower details, but for any significantly newer game I'd need a much newer PC anyway.  I know that.  This is not a future-proof PC, just something to get me by for now at minimal cost (cost me $0 and a little time so far).

970+psu $50
8595(bench) for $230,  37.37


950+psu $50
5212(bench) for $180,  28,96


Math.. !!   You have to factor in the cost of the PSU, that's critical.. It illustrates why the 950 is not a super great choice.

64.9% faster for only 27.8% increase in cost.. !!




Offline Leslieann

  • * Elevated Elder
  • Posts: 4519
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #90 on: Sun, 07 October 2018, 17:24:24 »
Math.. !!   You have to factor in the cost of the PSU, that's critical.. It illustrates why the 950 is not a super great choice.

64.9% faster for only 27.8% increase in cost.. !!
Building a system based on points per dollar is not an effective way to build a computer.

It always looks good on paper, for example a Pentium may be better per dollar than an 8700k, but there are other factors to consider  such as other software or hardware requirements or being able to eat next week.
Novelkeys NK65AE w/62g Zilents/39g springs
More
62g Zilents/lubed/Novelkeys 39g springs, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, pic
| Filco MJ2 L.E. Vortex Case, Jailhouse Blues, heavily customized
More
Vortex case squared up/blasted finish removed/custom feet/paint/winkey blockoff plate, HID Liberator, stainless steel universal plate, 3d printed adapters, Type C, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, foam sound dampened, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps (o-ringed), Cherry Jailhouse Blues w/lubed/clipped Cherry light springs, 40g actuation
| GMMK TKL
More
w/ Kailh Purple Pros/lubed/Novelkeys 39g springs, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, Netdot Gen10 Magnetic cable
| PF65 3d printed 65% w/LCD and hot swap
More
Box Jades, Interchangeable trim, mini lcd, QMK, underglow, HK Gaming Thick PBT caps, O-rings, Netdot Gen10 magnetic cable, in progress link
| Magicforce 68
More
MF68 pcb, Outemu Blues, in progress
| YMDK75 Jail Housed Gateron Blues
More
J-spacers, YMDK Thick PBT, O-rings, SIP sockets
| KBT Race S L.E.
More
Ergo Clears, custom WASD caps
| Das Pro
More
Costar model with browns
| GH60
More
Cherry Blacks, custom 3d printed case
| Logitech Illumininated | IBM Model M (x2)
Definitive Omron Guide. | 3d printed Keyboard FAQ/Discussion

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #91 on: Sun, 07 October 2018, 17:26:26 »
Math.. !!   You have to factor in the cost of the PSU, that's critical.. It illustrates why the 950 is not a super great choice.

64.9% faster for only 27.8% increase in cost.. !!
Building a system based on points per dollar is not an effective way to build a computer.

It always looks good on paper, for example a Pentium may be better per dollar than an 8700k, but there are other factors to consider  such as other software or hardware requirements or being able to eat next week.

Australia has Costco..  it'll be fine..  Top ramen + Tuna..  rowdy can get buff and play his retro-pc-games all at the same time... !!

Offline Little4Real

  • Posts: 175
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 17:23:48 »
If it's Aussie Dollars, then a GTX 960, 780 (old and power hungry), or RX 470/550/560

Offline PadawanGeek

  • Posts: 709
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #93 on: Sun, 25 November 2018, 20:51:45 »
If you're considering a GTX 950 at 130AUD, why not a brand new Gigabyte RX 560 4GB at 139AUD?
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/gigabyte-radeon-rx-560-16cu-gaming-oc-4gb-video-card-ac05095

WIth that SilverStone Essential 650W PSU at 79 AUD for a grand total of 209 AUD, should be good for 1080P gaming at decent ingame setting....

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #94 on: Tue, 27 November 2018, 20:04:34 »
If you're considering a GTX 950 at 130AUD, why not a brand new Gigabyte RX 560 4GB at 139AUD?
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/gigabyte-radeon-rx-560-16cu-gaming-oc-4gb-video-card-ac05095

WIth that SilverStone Essential 650W PSU at 79 AUD for a grand total of 209 AUD, should be good for 1080P gaming at decent ingame setting....

mumble then I'd have to start comparing Nvidia with AMD mumble

I've had better luck with Nvidia in the past.

This is still ongoing by the way, but funds were diverted to a few large and unexpected bills over the past month or so, so I'm still looking.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #95 on: Tue, 27 November 2018, 20:06:23 »
If you're considering a GTX 950 at 130AUD, why not a brand new Gigabyte RX 560 4GB at 139AUD?
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/gigabyte-radeon-rx-560-16cu-gaming-oc-4gb-video-card-ac05095

WIth that SilverStone Essential 650W PSU at 79 AUD for a grand total of 209 AUD, should be good for 1080P gaming at decent ingame setting....

mumble then I'd have to start comparing Nvidia with AMD mumble

I've had better luck with Nvidia in the past.

This is still ongoing by the way, but funds were diverted to a few large and unexpected bills over the past month or so, so I'm still looking.

The only difference right now, is gsync tax..

IMHO,  gsync ain't allllll that... hahahaha

But nvidia's not lettn' it go,  so you have to factor that into the monitor cost..



Best to just wait it out until 7nm..

Offline PadawanGeek

  • Posts: 709
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 28 November 2018, 04:11:08 »
Yep, nGreedia and their pricey Gsync modules which adds to the overall cost of a Gsync monitor. That's why I'm sticking with AMD, enjoying 144Hz Freesync 2 on my monitor.

Offline tp4tissue

  • * Destiny Supporter
  • Posts: 13565
  • Location: Official Geekhack Public Defender..
  • OmniExpert of: Rice, Top-Ramen, Ergodox, n Females
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 28 November 2018, 04:53:40 »
Yep, nGreedia and their pricey Gsync modules which adds to the overall cost of a Gsync monitor. That's why I'm sticking with AMD, enjoying 144Hz Freesync 2 on my monitor.



AMD needs a rerun of the HD4870,  $300, knock it out of the park.. !!

They need to write on their wall,  Ngreedia can go Fk themselves..


Offline Cavemann6

  • Posts: 175
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #98 on: Mon, 31 December 2018, 16:33:38 »
If you're okay with purchasing used graphics card, it would be worthwhile to check out reddit.com/r/hardwareswap. If you want to know the usage/history of the graphics card, serious sellers will give you that information and let you know if the card is still under warranty (most should be).

I recently purchased a GTX 1060 for almost half its original price and put it in my fiance's setup (he was using a gtx660ti). He's been getting a lot more fps  :cool: and has had no issues with it
.

Offline rowdy

  • HHKB Hapster
  • * Erudite Elder
  • Thread Starter
  • Posts: 21175
  • Location: melbourne.vic.au
  • Missed another sale.
Re: graphics card upgrade
« Reply #99 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 19:56:55 »
If you're okay with purchasing used graphics card, it would be worthwhile to check out reddit.com/r/hardwareswap. If you want to know the usage/history of the graphics card, serious sellers will give you that information and let you know if the card is still under warranty (most should be).

I recently purchased a GTX 1060 for almost half its original price and put it in my fiance's setup (he was using a gtx660ti). He's been getting a lot more fps  :cool: and has had no issues with it

I'd probably end up getting a used one anyway.  Not sure about reddit though.

At the moment this project is on hold due to an urgent house move.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

NEC APC-H4100E | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED red | Ducky DK9008 Shine MX blue LED green | Link 900243-08 | CM QFR MX black | KeyCool 87 white MX reds | HHKB 2 Pro | Model M 02-Mar-1993 | Model M 29-Nov-1995 | CM Trigger (broken) | CM QFS MX green | Ducky DK9087 Shine 3 TKL Yellow Edition MX black | Lexmark SSK 21-Apr-1994 | IBM SSK 13-Oct-1987 | CODE TKL MX clear | Model M 122 01-Jun-1988

Ị̸͚̯̲́ͤ̃͑̇̑ͯ̊̂͟ͅs̞͚̩͉̝̪̲͗͊ͪ̽̚̚ ̭̦͖͕̑́͌ͬͩ͟t̷̻͔̙̑͟h̹̠̼͋ͤ͋i̤̜̣̦̱̫͈͔̞ͭ͑ͥ̌̔s̬͔͎̍̈ͥͫ̐̾ͣ̔̇͘ͅ ̩̘̼͆̐̕e̞̰͓̲̺̎͐̏ͬ̓̅̾͠͝ͅv̶̰͕̱̞̥̍ͣ̄̕e͕͙͖̬̜͓͎̤̊ͭ͐͝ṇ̰͎̱̤̟̭ͫ͌̌͢͠ͅ ̳̥̦ͮ̐ͤ̎̊ͣ͡͡n̤̜̙̺̪̒͜e̶̻̦̿ͮ̂̀c̝̘̝͖̠̖͐ͨͪ̈̐͌ͩ̀e̷̥͇̋ͦs̢̡̤ͤͤͯ͜s͈̠̉̑͘a̱͕̗͖̳̥̺ͬͦͧ͆̌̑͡r̶̟̖̈͘ỷ̮̦̩͙͔ͫ̾ͬ̔ͬͮ̌?̵̘͇͔͙ͥͪ͞ͅ