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Matias keycaps you would buy...

Dye sub legends on Thick PBT
240 (24.5%)
Laser legends on Thick PBT
71 (7.3%)
Laser legends on Thick ABS
15 (1.5%)
Backlit ABS
25 (2.6%)
Doubleshot ABS
100 (10.2%)
Black legends on White caps
72 (7.4%)
Red legends on White caps
41 (4.2%)
Blue legends on White caps
58 (5.9%)
White legends on Black caps
63 (6.4%)
White legends on Red caps
31 (3.2%)
White legends on Blue caps
38 (3.9%)
Other colours (specified in the comment field)
33 (3.4%)
Blanks (no legends)
112 (11.4%)
Black legends on Grey caps
52 (5.3%)
White legends on Grey caps
28 (2.9%)

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #550 on: Sat, 22 April 2017, 11:49:03 »
How do they feel?  I know a lot of lasered caps will feel rough on the lasered surface.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #551 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 11:43:27 »
Why not black on black dyesub?


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #552 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 11:49:34 »

How do they feel?  I know a lot of lasered caps will feel rough on the lasered surface.

They're smooth.  No roughness at all



Why not black on black dyesub?

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Yes, black on black is easy.



The BoW shown, is that dyesub or laser?
Detail, clarity, contrast looks lovely. I should ignore that slight misalignment, right?

They are laser, and yes you should ignore the misalignment.  It's just a test run.



Will the black legends on BoW caps be a darker black than that? It looks a little grey on my screen.

Haa, we're actually trying to make them more grey.  :-)

Anyway, yes they can be made more black by adjusting the laser.  I find there's too much contrast if the black is too dark, but tastes vary.



So, the next thing after BoW sign-off is a production run of blank black - is that right? So the first round of blanks could be only a couple months away?

Yes, blank black and blank white.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #553 on: Fri, 28 April 2017, 04:47:29 »
Why not black on black dyesub?

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+1

The HHKB also took the black dyesub on asphalt road, but not the laser-printed one.
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #554 on: Fri, 28 April 2017, 08:19:32 »
Why not black on black dyesub?

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+1

The HHKB also took the black dyesub on asphalt road, but not the laser-printed one.


In fairness, that photo is actually Black on very dark Grey.


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #555 on: Fri, 28 April 2017, 13:02:08 »
Will these new PBT caps use Alps or MX cruciform style stabilizers?

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« Reply #556 on: Sat, 29 April 2017, 02:27:01 »
Will these new PBT caps use Alps or MX cruciform style stabilizers?


They support both types -- see below...


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With these new stabilizer clips, any ALPS keycap can use Cherry stabilizers.


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #557 on: Sat, 06 May 2017, 14:48:24 »
Why not black on black dyesub?

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+1

The HHKB also took the black dyesub on asphalt road, but not the laser-printed one.


In fairness, that photo is actually Black on very dark Grey.

No, it's actually very dark grey on dark grey.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #558 on: Fri, 16 June 2017, 22:05:21 »
Waiting warmly for these. Is it too soon to ask for another update? :)

Oh, almost forgot: Will there ever be a possibility of double-shot PBT caps with transparent lettering? It's a shame that matias switches are capable of backlighting, but no appropiate caps exist.
« Last Edit: Sun, 18 June 2017, 19:33:01 by ripdog »

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #559 on: Tue, 20 June 2017, 14:10:21 »
I see pimpmykeyboard is about to release granite alps!  Just figured I would mention this here. I'd still be down for some classy double shot white on black
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #560 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 11:22:53 »
Are you not doing dye sub at all?
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #561 on: Sat, 24 June 2017, 23:06:57 »
Are you not doing dye sub at all?

Yes, we're doing dye sub also.


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #562 on: Fri, 11 August 2017, 04:01:39 »
Are you not doing dye sub at all?

Yes, we're doing dye sub also.

Are you just doing a standard set of keys, or something more akin to GMK sets?


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #563 on: Fri, 11 August 2017, 11:58:43 »
Are you not doing dye sub at all?

Yes, we're doing dye sub also.

Are you just doing a standard set of keys, or something more akin to GMK sets?


More akin to GMK sets, but a little different...

We're splitting each set roughly in half (according to the keys that share the same colour).  This way, you can mix and match colours by simply buying the appropriate half-sets.  There's also a little overlap, with a few keys appearing in both half-sets.

I've already signed-off on Black PBT, and we're colour matching White PBT now.

We'll also be doing shades of Gray, by mixing Black & White PBT material together in the appropriate ratios -- see below, from my last trip (sorry the photo isn't better). 

Eventually we'll do colours too, but we're starting with Black, White, and shades of Gray.



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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #564 on: Sat, 12 August 2017, 23:46:14 »
I know it's a long shot, but any chance of double-shot caps with transparent lettering?

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #565 on: Sun, 13 August 2017, 02:34:36 »
Hi Matias,

I know you are building a little empire instead of just running around to earn some quick cash like many of the Groupbuys here.

But at this stage, can you give us a brief time estimation of when we can expect some nice final production PBT caps and some dye-sub, sitting and waiting to be purchased and shipped?
If you say late 2018, I will still wait of course - for the thick PBT dye-sub for Alps.

p.s. By the way, I have a bunch of "pine" vintage Alps switches, and I have to let you know for the key feels, "pine" (with slits on upper housing) are way superior to their "bamboo" (with slits on upper housing) counterparts at least for me.
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #566 on: Sun, 13 August 2017, 13:58:22 »
I know you are building a little empire instead of just running around to earn some quick cash like many of the Groupbuys here.

But at this stage, can you give us a brief time estimation of when we can expect some nice final production PBT caps and some dye-sub, sitting and waiting to be purchased and shipped?
If you say late 2018, I will still wait of course - for the thick PBT dye-sub for Alps.

Agreed, an estimated date would be really great. Hopefully it wont be late next year if you've already signed off on the black PBTs...

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #567 on: Sun, 13 August 2017, 15:14:58 »

I know you are building a little empire instead of just running around to earn some quick cash like many of the Groupbuys here.

But at this stage, can you give us a brief time estimation of when we can expect some nice final production PBT caps and some dye-sub, sitting and waiting to be purchased and shipped?
If you say late 2018, I will still wait of course - for the thick PBT dye-sub for Alps.

Agreed, an estimated date would be really great. Hopefully it wont be late next year if you've already signed off on the black PBTs...


For thick PBT blanks or laser, certainly before the end of this year.

For dye-sub, we've only started doing samples, so I'd say sometime next year.  Of course, there's nothing to stop anyone from buying blanks and doing their own dye-sub GB before we do.



I know it's a long shot, but any chance of double-shot caps with transparent lettering?


From us, no -- but Tai-hao has double-shot tooling for ALPS, so they could do it.  We've suggested it to them before, but I suppose there are not enough backlit ALPS keyboards for it to be worth it to them.


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #568 on: Fri, 15 September 2017, 11:58:57 »
What profile are these? Would you do cherry profile?
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #569 on: Wed, 11 October 2017, 21:48:30 »
For dye-sub, we've only started doing samples, so I'd say sometime next year.  Of course, there's nothing to stop anyone from buying blanks and doing their own dye-sub GB before we do.

Then next year it is, I'm presuming it's during 2018 not 2028?  Just extremely suspicious of any info coming from you in regards to any releases of actual PBT key-sets.

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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #570 on: Wed, 11 October 2017, 23:49:46 »
What profile are these? Would you do cherry profile?

No plans to do Cherry profile.

Ours are similar to OEM profile but thicker, and with better spacebars.

We're also considering doing a low profile keycap, but those are just at the testing stage at the moment.



For dye-sub, we've only started doing samples, so I'd say sometime next year.  Of course, there's nothing to stop anyone from buying blanks and doing their own dye-sub GB before we do.

Then next year it is, I'm presuming it's during 2018 not 2028?  Just extremely suspicious of any info coming from you in regards to any releases of actual PBT key-sets.


Sorry, but this is how things are with manufacturing sometimes.  New developments can take a long time to complete.  This is mostly hidden to consumers, because most products aren't announced until they are completed.

Having said that, we have the material on order already.  We also have another manufacturer that will be selling a high-end mechanical keyboard with our switches and PBT keycaps.  I expect they'll announce it formally early next year (probably at CES).

I'm leaving for China on Friday.  I expect there will be more updates from this trip.



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« Reply #571 on: Thu, 12 October 2017, 01:20:06 »
Having said that, we have the material on order already.  We also have another manufacturer that will be selling a high-end mechanical keyboard with our switches and PBT keycaps.  I expect they'll announce it formally early next year (probably at CES).

This would be great, to finally buy a full ALPs based keyboard using all PBT key-caps and I hope it won't sell at the same category as authentic Made in USA PBT Dell's for $1000+  :)) .

We all need to see MORE of your key switches, I know they aren't complicated Alps but it's better than nothing or suffering with anymore Cherry-soulless switches  8) .

Besides Matias, you need to install all PBTs on all of your keyboards because what's on them now, is so lacklustre and boring it only helps to devalue your switch instead of making them feel and sound great when used.
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #572 on: Thu, 12 October 2017, 07:49:32 »
What profile are these? Would you do cherry profile?

No plans to do Cherry profile.

Ours are similar to OEM profile but thicker, and with better spacebars.

We're also considering doing a low profile keycap, but those are just at the testing stage at the moment.



For dye-sub, we've only started doing samples, so I'd say sometime next year.  Of course, there's nothing to stop anyone from buying blanks and doing their own dye-sub GB before we do.

Then next year it is, I'm presuming it's during 2018 not 2028?  Just extremely suspicious of any info coming from you in regards to any releases of actual PBT key-sets.


Sorry, but this is how things are with manufacturing sometimes.  New developments can take a long time to complete.  This is mostly hidden to consumers, because most products aren't announced until they are completed.

Having said that, we have the material on order already.  We also have another manufacturer that will be selling a high-end mechanical keyboard with our switches and PBT keycaps.  I expect they'll announce it formally early next year (probably at CES).

I'm leaving for China on Friday.  I expect there will be more updates from this trip.

Can you give any hints on who the manufacturer is that's going to be using your switches?
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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #573 on: Thu, 12 October 2017, 20:48:21 »
We all need to see MORE of your key switches, I know they aren't complicated Alps but it's better than nothing or suffering with anymore Cherry-soulless switches  8) .

Besides Matias, you need to install all PBTs on all of your keyboards because what's on them now, is so lacklustre and boring it only helps to devalue your switch instead of making them feel and sound great when used.

Would love to do that -- but not sure if the margins allow for the extra cost, in all cases.  Will have to see.



Can you give any hints on who the manufacturer is that's going to be using your switches?

Sorry, I can't say.  I don't want to mess up their marketing plans.  It's up to them to announce.


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Re: Keycaps
« Reply #574 on: Mon, 13 November 2017, 01:40:36 »

I know you are building a little empire instead of just running around to earn some quick cash like many of the Groupbuys here.

But at this stage, can you give us a brief time estimation of when we can expect some nice final production PBT caps and some dye-sub, sitting and waiting to be purchased and shipped?
If you say late 2018, I will still wait of course - for the thick PBT dye-sub for Alps.

Agreed, an estimated date would be really great. Hopefully it wont be late next year if you've already signed off on the black PBTs...


For thick PBT blanks or laser, certainly before the end of this year.

For dye-sub, we've only started doing samples, so I'd say sometime next year.  Of course, there's nothing to stop anyone from buying blanks and doing their own dye-sub GB before we do.


It's been a few months since you mentioned dates, so do you still think you're on track to deliver lasered pbt keycaps by the end of this year?  Do you have more information about what the planned sets will look like?