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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #100 on: Sat, 20 October 2018, 03:13:43 »
Because the results from the Google survey were heavily lopsided, I decided to close the form and just finish the first mock up for the kit.
I have added it to the original post and you can also find it here.

Next up, I'll be looking at the Standard and Japanese modifiers kit again to make sure that I'm happy with the legend placement and size. I am also going to look what I can do with regards to sublegends on the Standard mods.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #101 on: Sat, 20 October 2018, 08:16:53 »
Will definitely buy this set if only to show my support for EnjoyPBT and dye-sub PBT keycaps in general.

To be honest, I would much prefer this having gray modifiers, aka a crispier and better-designed version of this set from KPRepublic, which fit my desire for a non-beige dye-sub PBT with Japanese sublegends but also made me wish for better printing, thicker material, and tighter QC.

That newly-added Japanese mod kit though :eek: Just wow. Definitely interested. Please launch soon.

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Have you looked at this?

https://kbdfans.cn/collections/cherry-profile/products/pre-orderenjoypbt-black-japanese-dye-sub-keycaps

I want it non-beige, man. Back during the IC for EnjoyPBT 9009, I was asking OP to do EnjoyPBT Muted (The current PBT Muted set by, heh, KPRepublic is also below my standard).
I'm just not into beige, is all.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #102 on: Sat, 20 October 2018, 11:44:04 »
Japanese mod kit is  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #103 on: Sat, 20 October 2018, 14:29:21 »
At the moment, I'm looking at an equivalent to GMK WS1 white.

The main aims are for it to be a solid opaque colour that can block backlighting which would also allow the dyesubbing to look sharper but also maintaining a bright and clean look.

I will probably confirm the design by the end of next week so that we can order a prototype. Once a prototype is in my hands and I feel that there aren't any major issues, we can start the preorders on the KBDfans website.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #104 on: Sat, 20 October 2018, 17:14:22 »
At the moment, I'm looking at an equivalent to GMK WS1 white.

The main aims are for it to be a solid opaque colour that can block backlighting which would also allow the dyesubbing to look sharper but also maintaining a bright and clean look.

I will probably confirm the design by the end of next week so that we can order a prototype. Once a prototype is in my hands and I feel that there aren't any major issues, we can start the preorders on the KBDfans website.

Berry nice.

Count me in for a kit or two when it happens  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #105 on: Sat, 20 October 2018, 17:52:40 »
At the moment, I'm looking at an equivalent to GMK WS1 white.

The main aims are for it to be a solid opaque colour that can block backlighting which would also allow the dyesubbing to look sharper but also maintaining a bright and clean look.

I will probably confirm the design by the end of next week so that we can order a prototype. Once a prototype is in my hands and I feel that there aren't any major issues, we can start the preorders on the KBDfans website.

Im preping my wallet for early Nov then.  :)

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #106 on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 10:06:10 »
Ooohh, WS1 is a nice choice. That's super white.
That would be the same as GMK Paper (currently still an IC I believe):



Just for comparison, GMK Stormtrooper used CP, which is often called "creamy-like" and less white than WS1:



Anyone knows which pantone was picked for EnjoyPBT BoW?
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #107 on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 12:59:15 »
Might have been mentioned already, but does R2 fix the spacebar warping?

Is this the only key that Dvorak is missing? I'll talk to KBDfans about this but you may have to wait for R2 to be made for this key.

Yes, it's the only key that the Colevrak kit is missing. I'll certainly wait until R2 if the key wasn't produced.

Ooohh, WS1 is a nice choice. That's super white.
That would be the same as GMK Paper (currently still an IC I believe):

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Just for comparison, GMK Stormtrooper used CP, which is often called "creamy-like" and less white than WS1:

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Anyone knows which pantone was picked for EnjoyPBT BoW?
It wasn't a Pantone. Instead, we used an OEM profile keycap as a reference for Enjoypbt to match. There are photos in the BoW geekhack thread which showed the colours next to CP and WS1 samples.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #108 on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 18:58:02 »
Things are trucking along nicely.

Correct me if I am wrong but GMK Pristine used WS1 correct? So that could be used as reference.

https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-pristine

Personally ws1 looks like a really good choice. A more true white thats easy on the eyes.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #109 on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 19:45:51 »
Things are trucking along nicely.

Correct me if I am wrong but GMK Pristine used WS1 correct? So that could be used as reference.

https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-pristine

Personally ws1 looks like a really good choice. A more true white thats easy on the eyes.
Pristine uses the same as GMK 9009 which is L9. The lighting in those photos make them look brighter than in person.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #110 on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 21:31:48 »
Ahhh no worries. Thanks for the clarification.

**Edit found these.

WS1 samples and comparisons from GMK Paper.

https://imgur.com/a/wIBcYPV

https://imgur.com/lXATSx0
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #111 on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 22:00:20 »
Ahhh no worries. Thanks for the clarification.

**Edit found these.

WS1 samples and comparisons from GMK Paper.

https://imgur.com/a/wIBcYPV

https://imgur.com/lXATSx0

The white balance is off in these but I also made a comparison to Enjoypbt Black on White

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #112 on: Mon, 22 October 2018, 08:34:09 »
This looks amazing! Definitely interested  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #113 on: Tue, 23 October 2018, 06:29:49 »
Ahhh no worries. Thanks for the clarification.

**Edit found these.

WS1 samples and comparisons from GMK Paper.

https://imgur.com/a/wIBcYPV

https://imgur.com/lXATSx0

The white balance is off in these but I also made a comparison to Enjoypbt Black on White
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quite like the gateron milky whites

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #114 on: Tue, 23 October 2018, 14:46:36 »
I would go for "Enjoypbt Black on White"-white  or the ws2

I am afraid, ws1 is to yellowish-beige

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #115 on: Tue, 23 October 2018, 15:14:24 »
I would go for "Enjoypbt Black on White"-white  or the ws2

I am afraid, ws1 is to yellowish-beige
I'm not sure if you have seen WS1 in person but it is still very white. The photo that I linked made everything look more yellow and even something like CP which was used GMK stormtrooper and honeywell look incredibly beige there.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #116 on: Tue, 23 October 2018, 15:29:40 »
JAPANESE MOD KIT. hell yes.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #117 on: Tue, 23 October 2018, 18:16:32 »
I would go for "Enjoypbt Black on White"-white  or the ws2

I am afraid, ws1 is to yellowish-beige
I'm not sure if you have seen WS1 in person but it is still very white. The photo that I linked made everything look more yellow and even something like CP which was used GMK stormtrooper and honeywell look incredibly beige there.

I like the WS1 tint, Just a tint darker then the KBdfans BoW set. For the late nights without getting your retinas burnt :))

Maybe a better comparison here:
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And here:
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #118 on: Wed, 24 October 2018, 05:00:41 »
I'm definitively in.
Love for monochrome sets :)

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #119 on: Wed, 24 October 2018, 05:46:58 »
This set looks really nice, I just have a question.

Why are there two of the same legends printed on some of the keys (z, e, numbers)?

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #120 on: Wed, 24 October 2018, 07:33:30 »
Why are there two of the same legends printed on some of the keys (z, e, numbers)?

While they look like it, they are not the same — the second「 つ」('tsu') is in fact a small「 つ」, which is used in Japanese to indicate either a consonant lengthening or a glottal stop; the small 「 い」('i') is used to indicate the extension of the preceding vowel.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #121 on: Sat, 27 October 2018, 14:30:00 »
Why are there two of the same legends printed on some of the keys (z, e, numbers)?

While they look like it, they are not the same — the second「 つ」('tsu') is in fact a small「 つ」, which is used in Japanese to indicate either a consonant lengthening or a glottal stop; the small 「 い」('i') is used to indicate the extension of the preceding vowel.

Thanks for the explanation.
I think that the set would look cleaner if there would only be one Hiragana character per keycap, but I don't know if some of the meaning is lost then. I would also prefer if there would be no side print on the grave and super key.

Here is an example with only one Hiragana character per keycap in GMK Bento.


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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #122 on: Sat, 27 October 2018, 14:56:17 »
I actually do like the side print and the more extensive feel it has. Then it also stands out for all "of them" new GMK sets coming out with the Hiragana sub legends.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #123 on: Sun, 28 October 2018, 01:18:07 »
nice set really want :D
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #124 on: Sun, 28 October 2018, 10:08:41 »
This looks great! Can't wait. Any timeline soon?

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #125 on: Sun, 28 October 2018, 14:06:51 »
This looks great! Can't wait. Any timeline soon?
I hope to have the design complete for prototyping by the end of November.
The other factor is that I will be working on epbt royal alpha with donutcat as well.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #126 on: Sun, 28 October 2018, 16:12:50 »
This looks great! Can't wait. Any timeline soon?
I hope to have the design complete for prototyping by the end of November.
The other factor is that I will be working on epbt royal alpha with donutcat as well.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #127 on: Sun, 28 October 2018, 23:59:45 »
This looks great! Can't wait. Any timeline soon?
I hope to have the design complete for prototyping by the end of November.
The other factor is that I will be working on epbt royal alpha with donutcat as well.

So are you saying we might have a chance of getting into GB by the end of this year?  :p I just want to get my order in ASAP!

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #128 on: Mon, 29 October 2018, 00:28:36 »
This looks great! Can't wait. Any timeline soon?
I hope to have the design complete for prototyping by the end of November.
The other factor is that I will be working on epbt royal alpha with donutcat as well.

So are you saying we might have a chance of getting into GB by the end of this year?  :p I just want to get my order in ASAP!
Yup. I don't know how long it would take to get the sample but most things on my end should be done before December and if I'm happy with the sample, the preorders can start.
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« Reply #129 on: Mon, 29 October 2018, 00:42:16 »
[quote author=gok101 link=topic=97699.msg2674197#msg2674197
Yup. I don't know how long it would take to get the sample but most things on my end should be done before December and if I'm happy with the sample, the preorders can start.
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Lets hope that we can move fast forward to ordering the samples so that we can get this kit running asap. Holiday season is coming up so the sooner the better so I could lock it in before I keep spending more money on useless stuffs. I really really want to join this GB.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #130 on: Mon, 29 October 2018, 04:41:43 »
Would it be possible for the Japanese modifiers kit to include an ISO enter with the same legend as the ANSI one? And perhaps a 1.25U シフト without the icon so as to not have the stray boring shift?

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #131 on: Mon, 29 October 2018, 15:16:55 »
Would it be possible for the Japanese modifiers kit to include an ISO enter with the same legend as the ANSI one? And perhaps a 1.25U シフト without the icon so as to not have the stray boring shift?
I think ISO has enough options for a layout that isn't as popular. I also think that icon only ISO enter is the best version for that key.

Regarding the 1.25u shift, I feel that シフト is secondary to the arrow icon so dropping the text makes more sense. It also allows me to optimise the set a little by having only 1 key that would fit both kits.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #132 on: Tue, 30 October 2018, 22:11:56 »
I am in for this, it's going to be my first ePBT set. Thanks very much!

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro
« Reply #133 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 04:00:57 »
I have finished v1 of the kits to be sent for prototyping. It is largely the same as what I have linked in the kits of the main post.
I figured that I would need a bit of trial and error to get the design file right for the reverse dye-subbed keys to be able to account for bleed so it's better to start this process early.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Waiting for samples)
« Reply #134 on: Sun, 04 November 2018, 19:31:44 »
Prototypes :O :O :O :O

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Waiting for samples)
« Reply #135 on: Sun, 04 November 2018, 20:18:56 »
Prototypes :O :O :O :O

Gib now.
Yeah, this has progressed a bit faster than I thought it would. I'm using the prototypes for this to determine whether I will consider using thinner legends on epbt Grayscale or not.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Waiting for samples)
« Reply #136 on: Sun, 04 November 2018, 20:47:03 »
Prototypes :O :O :O :O

Gib now.
Yeah, this has progressed a bit faster than I thought it would. I'm using the prototypes for this to determine whether I will consider using thinner legends on epbt Grayscale or not.
Probably best to send me the prototypes for review also. It's best for the group that I take one for the team and spend the time reviewing them.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Waiting for samples)
« Reply #137 on: Mon, 05 November 2018, 08:11:31 »
Thinner legends should look clear and less busy on this set because it is bow.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 16/11/18 )
« Reply #138 on: Fri, 09 November 2018, 21:52:20 »
Do we know pricing yet?

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 16/11/18 )
« Reply #139 on: Fri, 09 November 2018, 22:11:05 »
Do we know pricing yet?
Nothing set in stone but I it should be 100-105 including shipping for a the base set + mods of your choice which would make it better value than Enjoypbt Japanese Black Hiragana.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 16/11/18 )
« Reply #140 on: Thu, 15 November 2018, 07:05:04 »
You can count me in on the international kit as well.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 16/11/18 )
« Reply #141 on: Thu, 15 November 2018, 21:23:50 »
*tapping foot looking at watch.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 23/11/18??)
« Reply #142 on: Fri, 16 November 2018, 10:23:48 »
woahhh I would definitely joinnn!


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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 23/11/18??)
« Reply #143 on: Sat, 17 November 2018, 06:09:45 »
Excited for this! Just notice there is no black ANSI Enter key.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 23/11/18??)
« Reply #144 on: Sun, 18 November 2018, 09:37:12 »
Always have a soft spot for these. I'm in.😁

Here's hoping that the legends are clean and aligned, and when the time comes for obtaining the caps, there are no errors.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 23/11/18??)
« Reply #145 on: Sun, 18 November 2018, 10:36:06 »
I'm really excited for this color way. Looking forward to getting this going!

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 23/11/18??)
« Reply #146 on: Sun, 18 November 2018, 13:23:56 »
Excited for this! Just notice there is no black ANSI Enter key.
There are actually 2 versions of the black ansi enter keys, 1 in each of the mod kits.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 23/11/18??)
« Reply #147 on: Tue, 20 November 2018, 20:09:12 »
Do you have a target date for the GB to open

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 23/11/18??)
« Reply #148 on: Wed, 21 November 2018, 14:07:17 »
Do you have a target date for the GB to open
Looking at the GB windows of Grayscale and assuming that Slate runs soon after that, I will be guessing early next year.
I will also need to talk to Donutcat about when he is wanting to run Royal Alpha so that there isn't any overlap.
If hiney and donutcat end up delaying their GBs, this may be ran earlier.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt Kuro/Shiro (Samples EST 23/11/18??)
« Reply #149 on: Wed, 21 November 2018, 15:59:16 »
DC60 ordered was screwed...

Gok mate. I need some good news asap hopefully the samples show their dye subbed faces soon.
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