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Offline loud_asian

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #400 on: Thu, 21 July 2016, 21:28:13 »
isn't the carbon fiber plate the main differentiator anyways? can't imagine people being upset at having a brass weight like some filthy commoner

I expect nothing less than a solid gold weight
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #401 on: Thu, 21 July 2016, 21:32:14 »
isn't the carbon fiber plate the main differentiator anyways? can't imagine people being upset at having a brass weight like some filthy commoner

I expect nothing less than a solid gold weight

It's supposed to be a neutral color. Platinum is the clear solution.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #402 on: Thu, 21 July 2016, 21:33:13 »
isn't the carbon fiber plate the main differentiator anyways? can't imagine people being upset at having a brass weight like some filthy commoner
Filthy commoner.... Bahahahahah idk why I thought that statement was so funny

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #403 on: Thu, 21 July 2016, 22:37:06 »
Hey xondat,

Do we know yet for sure if there will be a ANSI only plate option available for the extra plates?
The problem with having two plate designs is that instead of 6 options, there are 12. It makes it more complicated and more expensive. Once I get the prototypes and build one, I'll see if I think it's worth making dedicated plates.

What benefits would an ANSI only plate give over the universal plate? I think I know why but would love to get your opinion too.

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If it doesn't happen it's not that big of a deal, but I would definitely get one if they are available.
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #404 on: Sat, 23 July 2016, 13:16:13 »
I'll write up something larger later.

Carbon Edition weights will be changing to stainless steel from black aluminum.

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« Reply #405 on: Sat, 23 July 2016, 13:23:38 »
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #406 on: Sat, 23 July 2016, 14:43:11 »
That's great to hear! I'm looking forward to hearing more.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #407 on: Sat, 23 July 2016, 20:34:29 »
  • All holders of Carbon Editions would rather a stainless steel weight so that's been changed.
  • I probably won't allow extra weights per order for CEs as each weight is engraved and it would **** it up.
  • I've changed the name of the Original Edition to Founders Edition.
  • Name for the Second Edition is still unknown and will probably change because I can't make my mind up.
  • The name X60 may change to work in the future better (but I have no idea so it's unlikely [X60 is hard to pronounce for me which is what prompted me thinking of changing it]).
  • Infact I might change the whole naming scheme because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
  • ANSI plates might happen but in very limited colors with minimum quantities needing to be met. Same with half plates. Both of these plates cannot be the main option but rather an additional plate.
  • Logos are still in the making but the last person that was helping went silent so waiting for mockups from someone new.
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #408 on: Sat, 23 July 2016, 20:56:46 »
Would've loved to get in on this xondat. Looks great keep up the good work!
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #409 on: Sat, 23 July 2016, 21:01:48 »
Would've loved to get in on this xondat. Looks great keep up the good work!

As would I. Sadly it seems like all the spots are filled. We can always hope that someone wants to sell their kit later or wants to sell their spot.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #410 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 01:01:26 »
Would've loved to get in on this xondat. Looks great keep up the good work!

As would I. Sadly it seems like all the spots are filled. We can always hope that someone wants to sell their kit later or wants to sell their spot.
He doesn't allow selling spots it's just hoping you move up the list.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #411 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 08:10:16 »
Does the 2nd edition need to have a name? I think it should just be the 'X60" or whatever name you go with in the end. Founders Edition would stay say Founders Edition on it, which would make it more special, but a standard doesn't need text to say 'hey this is the standard one'. Also, 2nd edition sounds a lot like 2nd round.

Have you thought about simply calling it the "Xondat 60"? It's future proof because if you come out with a 75% or whatever, you can just call it the Xondat 75.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #412 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 08:13:21 »
I prefer to not have his full username on the weight! X60 is better than Xondat 60.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #413 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 08:40:15 »
Have you thought about simply calling it the "Xondat 60"? It's future proof because if you come out with a 75% or whatever, you can just call it the Xondat 75.
I don't want to put my name on it. X## is future proof as I can do X75, X65 etc. However when I have different editions it does get quite messy.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #414 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 11:40:01 »
Have you thought about simply calling it the "Xondat 60"? It's future proof because if you come out with a 75% or whatever, you can just call it the Xondat 75.
I don't want to put my name on it. X## is future proof as I can do X75, X65 etc. However when I have different editions it does get quite messy.

You can always make it like X60 Carbon Edition or X60-CE, or X60 Founders Edition or X60-FE. :)

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #415 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 11:41:13 »
I already see the X as standing for Xondat. I like the idea of calling them X60C, X60F, X60S(tandard/second?).

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #416 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 11:43:26 »
I already see the X as standing for Xondat. I like the idea of calling them X60C, X60F, X60S(tandard/second?).
Pretty much what I've been thinking but I'd rather it be _____ 60C/60 etc.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #417 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 11:49:32 »
You can come up with a neat acronym like KMAC
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #418 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:02:16 »
I prefer to not have his full username on the weight! X60 is better than Xondat 60.
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #419 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:26:45 »
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #420 on: Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:33:47 »
You can come up with a neat acronym like KMAC
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #421 on: Mon, 25 July 2016, 03:57:33 »
XD60 sounds cool :P

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #422 on: Mon, 25 July 2016, 05:32:41 »
I already see the X as standing for Xondat. I like the idea of calling them X60C, X60F, X60S(tandard/second?).
Pretty much what I've been thinking but I'd rather it be _____ 60C/60 etc.
Hi, how about cars metaphor, like 356 and 456?
I like "mini coper" because of British small size and brass elements? )))))

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #423 on: Mon, 25 July 2016, 05:40:51 »
You can come up with a neat acronym like KMAC
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Ah yes, the **** 60. It will go down as the best named, at least.

Hi, how about cars metaphor, like 356 and 456?
I like "mini coper" because of British small size and brass elements? )))))
I'd prefer Mclaren over Mini ;)

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #424 on: Mon, 25 July 2016, 05:44:36 »
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #425 on: Mon, 25 July 2016, 05:50:07 »
You can come up with a neat acronym like KMAC
Finest UK Custom Keyboards
Ah yes, the **** 60. It will go down as the best named, at least.

Hi, how about cars metaphor, like 356 and 456?
I like "mini coper" because of British small size and brass elements? )))))
I'd prefer Mclaren over Mini ;)
I think Mclaren is the great name for 80% board )))

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #426 on: Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:02:12 »
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I think Mclaren is the great name for 80% board )))
Haha, the Mclaren naming convention not just Mclaren.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #427 on: Mon, 25 July 2016, 19:09:48 »
Two things tonight:
  • Now that prototypes have been paid for, no refunds can be made until further notice.
  • I have reached out to our middleman for updates on production and new quotes.
Nothing too major but worthy of posting.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #428 on: Tue, 26 July 2016, 23:58:23 »
Is the 8th still the expected day to receive prototypes?

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #429 on: Thu, 28 July 2016, 06:53:04 »
I've been told I'll get progress pictures and the final quote tomorrow.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #430 on: Thu, 28 July 2016, 07:11:58 »
I've been told I'll get progress pictures and the final quote tomorrow.
Hype hype hype

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #431 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 07:03:06 »
I've been told I'll get progress pictures and the final quote tomorrow.

Did you get the pictures? :D

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« Reply #432 on: Mon, 01 August 2016, 08:22:31 »
I've been told I'll get progress pictures and the final quote tomorrow.

Did you get the pictures? :D
The factory didn't take any, so no.


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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #433 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 12:30:12 »
Has carbon edition always been SS case?

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« Reply #434 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 12:40:50 »
Has carbon edition always been SS case?

No, it should still be a black anodized aluminum case. What you're seeing is an artifact of what used to be there. It previously read black aluminum weight and case and only the material got updated in that line when it was decided to switch to a stainless weight.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #435 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 12:41:57 »
Has carbon edition always been SS case?

No, it should still be a black anodized aluminum case. What you're seeing is an artifact of what used to be there. It previously read black aluminum weight and case and only the material got updated in that line when it was decided to switch to a stainless weight.
Changed it :confused:

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #436 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 15:22:01 »
So to be clear.........this is closed for entry?

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« Reply #437 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 16:39:43 »
So to be clear.........this is closed for entry?
All production spots are accounted for, but you're welcome to submit an application and see what happens.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #438 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 16:54:59 »
Has carbon edition always been SS case?

No, it should still be a black anodized aluminum case. What you're seeing is an artifact of what used to be there. It previously read black aluminum weight and case and only the material got updated in that line when it was decided to switch to a stainless weight.
Changed it :confused:
Ah, okay. I got confused when I saw it said SS for a sec, I was like wait wut :P

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #439 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 20:34:36 »
  • Prototypes enter production this week and should be done by mid August.
  • Carbon plates and stainless steel weights (maybe) will be made in a different factory.
  • Unfortunately I was misquoted originally (brass is expensive), which most likely means there will be a small raise in price for the non-carbon boards and a decent increase for carbon editions. The amount has not been decided yet. All I know is that the price gap between the two types will be bigger.
  • Half plates aren't financially viable to offer to everyone. Maybe in the future but nothing additional will be available.
  • Going to ask about having custom coloured PCBs, any suggestions on colours?
  • Name is staying as X60, I've finally figured out my naming convention for all my projects.
  • I'm working on getting a graphics designer to help me with logos and branding so expect stuff soon.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #440 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 20:36:03 »
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #441 on: Tue, 02 August 2016, 21:38:00 »
  • Unfortunately I was misquoted originally (brass is expensive), which most likely means there will be a small raise in price for the non-carbon boards and a decent increase for carbon editions. The amount has not been decided yet. All I know is that the price gap between the two types will be bigger.

Mind elaborating on the decent increase for the carbon editions? As the carbon boards are to include SS weights, I'm unsure as to why the larger gap in price.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #442 on: Wed, 03 August 2016, 00:00:14 »
  • Unfortunately I was misquoted originally (brass is expensive), which most likely means there will be a small raise in price for the non-carbon boards and a decent increase for carbon editions. The amount has not been decided yet. All I know is that the price gap between the two types will be bigger.

Mind elaborating on the decent increase for the carbon editions? As the carbon boards are to include SS weights, I'm unsure as to why the larger gap in price.

Same question. I'm assuming it's because steel is more difficult to machine and as such will cost more to have fabricated. I'm not too keen on paying a large price differential for stainless as I don't really see it as a more premium solution to brass as far as function (and, one could argue, is slightly inferior at it's intended function) aside from a desire for a monochromatic look.

I wasn't really under the impression that the prices in the first post were fluid since I don't think they were ever listed as preliminary or subject to change.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #443 on: Wed, 03 August 2016, 07:12:44 »
These figures are completely made up but they should help explain why it will costs more. Everything is put super simply on purpose to make it easy to understand.

A one sentence summary would be: FE/Standard use two materials (1 cheap, and 1 expensive), and Carbon uses three materials (1 cheap, 1 quite expensive, and 1 expensive). Before the weight material change only two materials were used.

To start of, a scale of cost of material:
  • Aluminium - cheapest and easiest to work with.
  • Brass - considerably more expensive and is a softer material.
  • Stainless steel - the most expensive and the hardest material.
  • Carbon fibre - quite expensive and difficult to work with.

Colours do not matter - only quantity, material and part. I am not accounting for extras to keep it easy to explain.
  • 250 70 aluminium bottoms - this is the only thing that stays the same.
  • 300 70 aluminium top parts (combined) - these cost slightly more due to the differences, but they are priced together.
  • 150 60 aluminium & stainless steel plates - this covers the non-carbon editions.
  • 300 60 brass weights - expensive material, high quantity and easy to work with.
  • 250 10 carbon plates - low amount, expensive material.
  • 400 10 stainless steel weights - expensive material, low quantity and hard to work with.
So in total:
  • FE/Standard - 250 + 300 + 150 + 300 = 1000
  • Carbon - 250 + 300 + 250 + 400 = 1200
Before the stainless steel weight, we were looking at the aluminium weight being 250, therefore the carbon edition 1050.

Hopefully this explains everything.

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #444 on: Wed, 03 August 2016, 15:56:34 »
+1 vote for a Black pcb.
Especially considering Carbon Edition. =)

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #445 on: Wed, 03 August 2016, 16:45:10 »
I vote for Black PCB also. Since the case does not support RGB backlightning we should go the opposite way and make it dark dark dark!

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #446 on: Wed, 03 August 2016, 17:04:23 »
I vote for black pcb as well. also fine with red or white.
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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #447 on: Wed, 03 August 2016, 17:22:23 »
Black is cool with me!

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Re: [GB] X60 (HHKB/WKL/60)
« Reply #449 on: Wed, 03 August 2016, 17:31:58 »
These figures are completely made up but they should help explain why it will costs more. Everything is put super simply on purpose to make it easy to understand.

A one sentence summary would be: FE/Standard use two materials (1 cheap, and 1 expensive), and Carbon uses three materials (1 cheap, 1 quite expensive, and 1 expensive). Before the weight material change only two materials were used.

To start of, a scale of cost of material:
  • Aluminium - cheapest and easiest to work with.
  • Brass - considerably more expensive and is a softer material.
  • Stainless steel - the most expensive and the hardest material.
  • Carbon fibre - quite expensive and difficult to work with.

Colours do not matter - only quantity, material and part. I am not accounting for extras to keep it easy to explain.
  • 250 70 aluminium bottoms - this is the only thing that stays the same.
  • 300 70 aluminium top parts (combined) - these cost slightly more due to the differences, but they are priced together.
  • 150 60 aluminium & stainless steel plates - this covers the non-carbon editions.
  • 300 60 brass weights - expensive material, high quantity and easy to work with.
  • 250 10 carbon plates - low amount, expensive material.
  • 400 10 stainless steel weights - expensive material, low quantity and hard to work with.
So in total:
  • FE/Standard - 250 + 300 + 150 + 300 = 1000
  • Carbon - 250 + 300 + 250 + 400 = 1200
Before the stainless steel weight, we were looking at the aluminium weight being 250, therefore the carbon edition 1050.

Hopefully this explains everything.

confused.  The board will cost $1000 for standard edition?

Wasn't understanding this myself?
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