Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 20 August 2016, 14:50:19
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!!! Ohhhh bboooyy!! Got my heavy domes installed in HHKB... bajeesus. Whoever compared these to breakin off pieces of a Hershey bar was absolutely spot on. The crisp. The Thock.
Bless.
I've been typing on the heavies for a few days now. My biggest complaint is that they totally ruined stock topre switches for me. I left one 55g dome in on my f12 key - it pretty much feels linear in comparison to the new domes.
Mine arrived yesterday, didn't have the chance to actually swap them into a board but I did have a loose 45g dome to compare them with, and these things really do live up to the bubblewrap/hershey bar comparisons. Now my only problem is that I want to get a ton of them to swap all my boards, though I will have to test out whether I like the heavy or light more.
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Just got my BKE Redux Dome Replacements from Keyclack, the feeling is just heavenly <3https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fzjh9/photos_bke_redux_norbatouch_with_mito_canvas/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fzjh9/photos_bke_redux_norbatouch_with_mito_canvas/)
Got my heavies this morning. I haven't installed them yet because I'm still waiting on a few things for my novatouch rebuild, but just sitting here comparing the tactility to the 45g topre domes is like night and day. I think what others have said is true: this will ruin standard topre domes for you, the BKE domes feel so much more comfortable and like 400% more tactile. They're spectacular. I wish I went with the 110 pack now :D
I'm so eager to get these installed... HURRY UP JTK TOXIC!
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I completely agree with the community's consensus, these are leaps and bounds more tactile than stock domes. The hershey's bar analogy is really apt. I have another fc660c with stock domes, and it feels totally mushy in comparison. I'm going to have to do another domeswap for my RF now, too.https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7gbf1g/bke_redux_variable_dome_swap_on_silenced_fc660c/dqhvx2u/
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Before this, I thought stock topre and MX Clears were tactile, but the snappiness of these domes completely **** on every switch I've ever tried. The best way I can describe them is comparing them to the feeling of popping bubble wrap. Who doesn't like bubble wrap? That **** is amazing, and these domes are just as amazinghttps://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g9l6h/redux_bke_domes_thoughts/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g9l6h/redux_bke_domes_thoughts/)
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I've been typing nonstop this past weekend and I have to say that I am quite impressed with these. THEY ARE SO DAMN SNAPPY AND TACTILE. They are everything that I wanted and more! This is my first review on this subreddit.https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g2j4y/realforce_rgb_bke_redux_dome_swap/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g2j4y/realforce_rgb_bke_redux_dome_swap/)
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The tactile bump on these is satisfyingly strong. Very snappy so it needs to be silenced. Other than that I am a happy camperhttps://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fqrag/just_installed_bke_redux_heavy_domes_with/dqdpy4g/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fqrag/just_installed_bke_redux_heavy_domes_with/dqdpy4g/)
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Friends. I must say this mod is amazing. Much tactile such bounce. I only installed them on the modifiers for now. OMG the space bar definitely needed this!https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fctjh/new_bke_dome_swap_coming_up/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fctjh/new_bke_dome_swap_coming_up/)
Sound Tests!
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g9xkd/reviewtyping_video_bke_redux_heavy_vs_stock_45g/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g9xkd/reviewtyping_video_bke_redux_heavy_vs_stock_45g/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g9xkd/reviewtyping_video_bke_redux_heavy_vs_stock_45g/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7g9xkd/reviewtyping_video_bke_redux_heavy_vs_stock_45g/)
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I recently acquired a Novatouch & Realforce 87U beige (thanks Apolotary) and after a lot of back n forth, I personally prefer the 45G, but I like the RF more feel more overall. I'd love to get something more heavy than 45g, but can't handle 55g.
So I'm going to try to undergo a project, and hopefully I'll see some support. I've already done some of the legwork so we'll see how to go forward.
The Goal
The goal is to produce a spring that, when placed between the housing and the keycap of a 45g topre board, will mimic the feel of a 55g board. (ghetto domeswap)
My Focus
My focus is on quality, and that's why I'm working to make the first batch in USA first, then making it in China.
Why do this?
cheap heavier switches. aka the ghetto dome swap
heavier than 55g switches for those of you with fingers that flex
replace lost spacebar springs
Here's what I have.
1) Topre Spacebar uses approximately 40g to compress (nickel test)
2) Approximate weight of the spring should be 10g or so to get a ghetto 55g actuation force.
Here's a nice chart made by ek.com for reference.
(https://elitekeyboards.com/suppdata/images/topre_switches405.png)
3) I found some local spring factories in SoCal that I will be working with on top of my Mechanical Engineer friend to work on this design of the spring. After we finalize the design and produce the initial batch here in Los Angeles, we will be moving forwarding with a production with a spring factory in Hong Kong.
What's the next step?
Well I've done some research, but even with that, nothing has been pushed on my end :P
I will be going to the SoCal factory this week and measuring the NT & RF. I'll be measuring force curve & the compression of the springs with keycaps on and off.
A likely asked question
Why don't I just buy the ones off taobao from Topre clones?
AFAIK, those don't fit properly in Topre boards, but you can correct me if I'm wrong.
So I'm going to try to undergo a project, and hopefully I'll see some support. I've already done some of the legwork so we'll see how to go forward.
The Goal
The goal is to produce a spring that, when placed between the housing and the keycap of a 45g topre board, will mimic the feel of a 55g board. (ghetto domeswap)
My Focus
My focus is on quality, and that's why I'm working to make the first batch in USA first, then making it in China.
Why do this?
cheap heavier switches. aka the ghetto dome swap
heavier than 55g switches for those of you with fingers that flex
replace lost spacebar springs
Here's what I have.
1) Topre Spacebar uses approximately 40g to compress (nickel test)
2) Approximate weight of the spring should be 10g or so to get a ghetto 55g actuation force.
Here's a nice chart made by ek.com for reference.
(https://elitekeyboards.com/suppdata/images/topre_switches405.png)
3) I found some local spring factories in SoCal that I will be working with on top of my Mechanical Engineer friend to work on this design of the spring. After we finalize the design and produce the initial batch here in Los Angeles, we will be moving forwarding with a production with a spring factory in Hong Kong.
What's the next step?
Well I've done some research, but even with that, nothing has been pushed on my end :P
I will be going to the SoCal factory this week and measuring the NT & RF. I'll be measuring force curve & the compression of the springs with keycaps on and off.
A likely asked question
Why don't I just buy the ones off taobao from Topre clones?
AFAIK, those don't fit properly in Topre boards, but you can correct me if I'm wrong.
Post by: sony on Sat, 20 August 2016, 14:59:00
Oh and the taobao springs for the rc930 and the likes doesn't fit around the little lip of the topre housing so the spring crunches.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 20 August 2016, 15:28:04
Are you still working on the MX springs or was that plan dropped?
Post by: xondat on Sat, 20 August 2016, 15:29:50
I use two springs on my Realforce spacebar, so having different weights would be great to offer. Something like 10g, 20g, and 40g?
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 20 August 2016, 15:35:32
Cool idea.
I use two springs on my Realforce spacebar, so having different weights would be great to offer. Something like 10g, 20g, and 40g?
Different weights are definitely the way to go. I'd personally want to try a 52g topre.
Definitely a cool idea, if it works out at the end I'll maybe buy some to test them out.
Are you still working on the MX springs or was that plan dropped?
MX is in the back burner right now and was going to get canceled with spirits GB but it looks like I might have to manufacture that.
For now, focused more on topre since it's something I'd personally like to have more :)
Post by: romevi on Sat, 20 August 2016, 19:42:05
Post by: yomammary on Mon, 22 August 2016, 09:42:05
Count me in.
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 22 August 2016, 10:07:39
Cool idea.
I use two springs on my Realforce spacebar, so having different weights would be great to offer. Something like 10g, 20g, and 40g?
Different weights are definitely the way to go. I'd personally want to try a 52g topre.Definitely a cool idea, if it works out at the end I'll maybe buy some to test them out.
Are you still working on the MX springs or was that plan dropped?
MX is in the back burner right now and was going to get canceled with spirits GB but it looks like I might have to manufacture that.
For now, focused more on topre since it's something I'd personally like to have more :)
From my understanding of Topre switches, the tactile feedback and most of the weighting of the switch is provided by the domes, not the swpring, so swapping to a heavier weight spring to similate 55g may not provide the same feel as an actual Topre 55g dome, is this correct? I feel we need more testing ;)
(I don't currently have any Topre boards, having sold my Novatouch, but I do have a so-called 'Nopre' clone from Royal Kludge with 55g actuation (supposedly, I haven't quantitatively tested this yet). Would be interested to find out if it would work with this board and how aftermarket springs affect the actuation distance (If I recall, the spring is actually the sensing element of the capacitive detection mechanism)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 22 August 2016, 10:49:30
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 22 August 2016, 11:07:59
You're putting a 10g switch under the keycap/on the stem, not in the keyboard itself. Effectively it will add 10g.
I see, I think I misunderstood, I thought we are trying to replace the capacitive spring under the dome itself.
Post by: xondat on Mon, 22 August 2016, 11:58:51
Those would be way too hard to recreate. But you're right, it's the domes that depict the weight.You're putting a 10g switch under the keycap/on the stem, not in the keyboard itself. Effectively it will add 10g.
I see, I think I misunderstood, I thought we are trying to replace the capacitive spring under the dome itself.
Post by: TheBestUkester on Tue, 23 August 2016, 16:11:10
Post by: deci on Tue, 23 August 2016, 16:53:26
Definitely want to try this out.
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 27 August 2016, 03:27:10
But obviously it all depends on the price ;-)
Post by: zer09 on Sat, 22 October 2016, 22:05:30
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 22 October 2016, 22:07:40
Post by: ntw on Mon, 24 October 2016, 22:01:08
I have these springs from NT and they are not the same spec as the ones found on my Leopold Spacebars. I have to nudge them in properly to make sure they stay on around the slider housing instead of on it (compare the spring on Ins key that is not seated properly with the ones on Home, End and PgUp)
The springs are a ghetto fix to make the key feels heavier but it has this squishy feeling when bottomed out that sucks. I found that it is because the springs have more coils and when you bottom out you are rubbing the spring coils against each other and makes the squishy feeling.
Post by: ticktwo on Fri, 04 November 2016, 06:12:31
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 16 November 2016, 01:59:06
We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.
Hype!
Post by: yomammary on Wed, 16 November 2016, 07:17:00
Just wanted to update this!Quality will need to be top notch.
We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.
Hype!
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 16 November 2016, 08:01:01
This can potentially make my PLUM taste like a RealForce!
What's the price point by the way? Like some of those Korean rubber dome sheets on eBay?
Post by: SJHL on Wed, 16 November 2016, 08:14:18
Just wanted to update this!
We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.
Hype!
Was debating with the springs but now im definitely in with the domes.
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 16 November 2016, 16:14:47
Just wanted to update this!Quality will need to be top notch.
We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.
Hype!
Will PM RAMA about it. Hope he can spare a minute to help me on this :).
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 16 November 2016, 16:18:51
Just wanted to update this!Quality will need to be top notch.
We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.
Hype!
Will PM RAMA about it. Hope he can spare a minute to help me on this :).
Do you have a list of weight options in mind for the domes?
Post by: steven_g on Wed, 16 November 2016, 16:35:19
Post by: dilbertprogrammer on Wed, 16 November 2016, 17:36:47
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 16 November 2016, 18:10:26
Just wanted to update this!Quality will need to be top notch.
We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.
Hype!
Will PM RAMA about it. Hope he can spare a minute to help me on this :).
Do you have a list of weight options in mind for the domes?
55g, 60g, and 65g i believe.
No ballpark on price. No Quotes.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 16 November 2016, 20:13:13
Just wanted to update this!Quality will need to be top notch.
We are changing the project to become a TOPRE DOME project instead. We are currently working on the 3D model of the domes.
Hype!
Will PM RAMA about it. Hope he can spare a minute to help me on this :).
Do you have a list of weight options in mind for the domes?
55g, 60g, and 65g i believe.
No ballpark on price. No Quotes.
Oh awesome! Hoping these get made as I would love to have a heavier Topre board.
Post by: richard912 on Wed, 16 November 2016, 20:23:04
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Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 22 December 2016, 03:16:59
Recently, I got a hold of the topre-dome models, and I'll be working on bring those up to speed as well. We have a rubber molding manufacturer that has proven to be really good with their turnaround times, and development of rubber-based products. They are the same manufacturer as the rubber feet for the M65-A and we'll be working with them in order to bring these domes together.
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Post by: dyrdevil on Wed, 28 December 2016, 17:33:13
I bought some of the knockoff "55g" sheets from ebay and put them in my HHKB. The feel wasn't bad, but what I didn't expect was that the sheets, or at least parts of them, seemed a touch thinner than the stock HHKB rubber sheets. As a result, the travel was increased just enough for the top of the slider to go beneath the housing. This produced a very loud and unwanted clacking sound on the downstroke, I believe from the bottom of the keycap striking the housing.
I'm sure you're exploring everything in full, just wanted to recommend making the sheets thick enough!
Post by: BAS1C on Wed, 12 April 2017, 10:41:07
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Post by: Burt Macklin on Sat, 15 April 2017, 04:06:20
Somehow missed the IC when it was posted :eek:
Post by: SICAR187 on Sat, 15 April 2017, 23:43:16
Filled in form :thumb:
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Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 26 April 2017, 00:48:58
It has taken a while to get this going, but I finally found someone to help me with this.
I've gotten the model of a the topre domes made, and also I've sent the samples out to a manufacturer to look at, so we have 2 points of reference to go off of.
Post by: Burt Macklin on Wed, 26 April 2017, 07:56:54
Keep us posted, please.
Post by: hexosehr on Wed, 26 April 2017, 16:45:22
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Post by: ns90 on Wed, 26 April 2017, 19:10:38
Post by: BAS1C on Thu, 27 April 2017, 18:15:13
Hi everyone,
It has taken a while to get this going, but I finally found someone to help me with this.
I've gotten the model of a the topre domes made, and also I've sent the samples out to a manufacturer to look at, so we have 2 points of reference to go off of.
Yes man! That is great news. Thanks for dropping an update in the midst of your busy website/move going on !!
Post by: vulup on Sun, 30 April 2017, 09:47:00
Post by: _rubik on Wed, 03 May 2017, 12:36:57
This will also negate the argument against Topre keyboards: how the domes wear out and become inconsistent over time. Now we can just swap them out!
+100
Post by: ydvq9 on Fri, 19 May 2017, 18:12:06
Post by: Korseir on Sun, 21 May 2017, 17:15:48
Post by: dib_dubious on Sun, 21 May 2017, 19:17:03
Post by: DaBubbs on Sun, 21 May 2017, 20:39:58
The other area of interest for me is the snappy-ness of 45g switches. I don't mind 45g switches but they are not as snappy as 55g switches imo... especially as they return upward from a key stroke. If there was a spring you could put on a 45g dome that made it as snappy as a 55g dome, that would definitely be something awesome!
Post by: sairex on Mon, 22 May 2017, 10:17:21
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 24 May 2017, 22:40:51
(http://i.imgur.com/3qz1aOE.jpg)
Post by: BAS1C on Wed, 24 May 2017, 22:43:28
One of these things is not like the other.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3qz1aOE.jpg)
OMG DUDE. WOWOWOWOW. Need any testers? XD
HYYYYYYYPE
Post by: superdoedoe on Wed, 24 May 2017, 23:01:47
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 24 May 2017, 23:07:07
Post by: superdoedoe on Thu, 25 May 2017, 00:00:39
man if you could just get a pcb going and some other parts, could make topre board without any PFU stuff
As cool as that sounds i doubt it's as easy as you make it sound to be.
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 25 May 2017, 01:34:52
Post by: nmur on Thu, 25 May 2017, 01:59:20
man if you could just get a pcb going and some other parts, could make topre board without any PFU stuff
As cool as that sounds i doubt it's as easy as you make it sound to be.
someone on DT already made a custom PCB. I can't imagine a plate is that difficult
there's also the slider housings
getting the tolerance between the sliders and their housing would need to be perfect in order to feel consistent
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 25 May 2017, 02:06:52
Post by: superdoedoe on Thu, 25 May 2017, 02:21:07
Post by: kmba on Thu, 25 May 2017, 07:13:32
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 26 May 2017, 10:54:58
TLDR
Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.
(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)
Post by: H3NT4I on Fri, 26 May 2017, 10:57:14
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Post by: SupaSebie on Sat, 27 May 2017, 11:10:00
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 27 May 2017, 18:16:46
Another image.
TLDR
Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)
Dem nipples!
Post by: vegs on Sun, 28 May 2017, 06:18:05
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 28 May 2017, 10:14:32
Hyped! Also interested to see if anyone can do a comparison with the BKE domes.
So I did a comparison for the BKE and my current dome. I don't have an OEM one from HHKB or RF on my person atm.
1. The Topre Dome Replacement has a longer tactility.
2. The BKE dome is a little more "linear" in the beginning, and has a SHARPER, and shorter tactility. The BKE needs less weight.
I personally really like both, and can't decide between either. Of course, take those two points with a grain of salt, as this is what I'm feeling with just pushing the dome with my finger.
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 28 May 2017, 15:01:18
Of course I should probably try these specific domes in the HHKB as well. Some people have measured their 55g domes to actuate more like in the 70s, so if these ones are actually 55g it might feel better for me in the HHKB.
Post by: Doluded on Sun, 28 May 2017, 15:53:32
Post by: superdoedoe on Sun, 28 May 2017, 21:23:14
Post by: _rubik on Sun, 28 May 2017, 23:41:26
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 29 May 2017, 00:30:39
My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!
Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.
Post by: rioc on Mon, 29 May 2017, 05:56:44
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 29 May 2017, 21:54:04
My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!
Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.
I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 29 May 2017, 21:58:25
What did you need the springs for?My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!
Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.
I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...
The weight difference is in the domes.
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 29 May 2017, 23:02:55
What did you need the springs for?My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!
Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.
I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...
The weight difference is in the domes.
The springs are all 5g yeah?
Post by: richard912 on Tue, 30 May 2017, 00:48:05
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 30 May 2017, 06:42:54
YesWhat did you need the springs for?My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!
Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.
I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...
The weight difference is in the domes.
The springs are all 5g yeah?
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 30 May 2017, 07:25:07
My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!
Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.
I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...
Why not put the HHKB domes in the RF87?
Post by: cooldiscretion on Tue, 30 May 2017, 13:58:08
Another image.
TLDR
Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)
I'm confused. I keep hearing people talking about BKE domes being reproduced, but the BKE dome pics I find online look much different then these. Are these domes in the picture something else in addition to the BKE dome reproductions?
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/9/91/Sony_BKE-2010_-_Dome_closeup.JPG)
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 30 May 2017, 14:20:55
Another image.I'm confused. I keep hearing people talking about BKE domes being reproduced, but the BKE dome pics I find online look much different then these. Are these domes in the picture something else in addition to the BKE dome reproductions?
TLDR
Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)Show Image(https://deskthority.net/w/images/9/91/Sony_BKE-2010_-_Dome_closeup.JPG)
First, "standard" 55g domes are going to be made. jchan is working with someone else on a way to reproduce BKE domes, but that's a ways off since they are still in the initial stages.
Post by: duynguyenle on Tue, 30 May 2017, 17:09:29
Another image.
TLDR
Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)
I'm confused. I keep hearing people talking about BKE domes being reproduced, but the BKE dome pics I find online look much different then these. Are these domes in the picture something else in addition to the BKE dome reproductions?Show Image(https://deskthority.net/w/images/9/91/Sony_BKE-2010_-_Dome_closeup.JPG)
Those are indeed BKE domes. You will need to manually snip off the supports to fit them into a Topre board I believe.
Edit: Found some pictures of said snipping of the nubs on reddit:
(https://i.imgur.com/7m1dtkD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/a7K4m1o.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LCYFlxe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UAXu3Ck.jpg)
Post by: superdoedoe on Tue, 30 May 2017, 18:00:21
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 30 May 2017, 18:01:17
Post by: dgneo on Tue, 30 May 2017, 18:28:14
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 30 May 2017, 22:40:16
What did you need the springs for?My HHKB Pro JP just came in and I'm REALLY hoping to bump these up to a 55g dome. Let's hope this IC is a success story!
Hopefully i can do the same. Just bought another hhkb jp as well to get some 55g domes for.
I got impatient today, and tore apart my RF87u for the domes and springs. But now I have a domeless RF and it looks so deflated and sad...
The weight difference is in the domes.
The springs are all 5g yeah?
I just wanted to keep them with their respective domes. I know it doesn't matter, but I guess I'm OCD like that.
Post by: ashwinv11 on Wed, 31 May 2017, 02:05:59
Post by: rm-rf on Wed, 31 May 2017, 14:42:53
Another image.
TLDR
Going to get some community feedback from people about these, and ask about improvements, and issues with them. they'll be shipped around to some people who know their Topre, and if they choose to, they'll post a review online - it's completely their choice.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rR0ZAQT.jpg)
I'm confused. I keep hearing people talking about BKE domes being reproduced, but the BKE dome pics I find online look much different then these. Are these domes in the picture something else in addition to the BKE dome reproductions?Show Image(https://deskthority.net/w/images/9/91/Sony_BKE-2010_-_Dome_closeup.JPG)
these are the right domes, but they have to be modified to be used in topre boards.
the pic you posted needs to have the carbon foot removed, then it can be used in a board.
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 07 June 2017, 22:58:28
I had a quick moment to test out the domes and how they compare to Realforce 50g ones. They are slightly heavier than 50g.
I've sent the samples out to people so they can test them out already, and hope to get feedback soon.
If all goes well, we might be able to proceed very soon, but only if the feedback is positive. If not, we'll go back to adjusting our models.
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 08 June 2017, 03:23:06
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 08 June 2017, 10:04:50
Quick Update
I had a quick moment to test out the domes and how they compare to Realforce 50g ones. They are slightly heavier than 50g.
I've sent the samples out to people so they can test them out already, and hope to get feedback soon.
If all goes well, we might be able to proceed very soon, but only if the feedback is positive. If not, we'll go back to adjusting our models.
Dopre! I don't mind if they are slightly heavier at all.
Post by: dante on Sat, 10 June 2017, 08:44:01
Quick Update
I had a quick moment to test out the domes and how they compare to Realforce 50g ones. They are slightly heavier than 50g.
I've sent the samples out to people so they can test them out already, and hope to get feedback soon.
If all goes well, we might be able to proceed very soon, but only if the feedback is positive. If not, we'll go back to adjusting our models.
Any chance you may do 65g (or heavier) domes?
Post by: w0odyallen on Sat, 10 June 2017, 11:40:26
Post by: kmba on Sat, 10 June 2017, 12:54:35
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 10 June 2017, 15:11:39
I thought about making strips, but I think the measurements might be off.
I've also asked manufacturer about the turnaround and they said 4 weeks to produce the dome quantity up to 100,000.
Quote
Pros
+ Cheap way to get heavier domes.
+ Nice and smooth.
+ Crisp bump.
+ The added tactility feels really nice.
Cons
ー Domes seem to come as individuals. Hard to seat and keep seated.
Neutral
- Feels a lot heavier than the stock domes on my fc660c. Take this however you will.
- May be a bit too heavy for leopold boards, especially since they sit around 50g stock as it is, but may feel perfect for other boards.
Overall
KeyClack's new topre domes are a nice addition to any topre fans looking for a heavier experience out of their 45g topre boards without the money to shell out for a 55g realforce. The tactility gets a nice increase from the domeswap. My only complaint is that these domes, for now, seem to only come as individuals. Without any way to keep the dome seated on the board, even putting in one dome was an annoying experience. The dome definitely delivers on what it's trying to do.
Post by: kmba on Sat, 10 June 2017, 17:50:09
Post by: marre259 on Sat, 10 June 2017, 23:32:51
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 10:10:08
Post by: ns90 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 11:11:55
Installing domes one by one obviously takes a lot of time, but I'm surprised that reviewer had seating issues. Were they trying to place the domes directly on the PCB or something? Best way to do it is to drop them into the sliders with the sliders hanging all the way down (just get two boxes and put them at the edges of the plate so the sliders aren't pressing against anything).
This is exactly what I did when I dome-swapped my HHKB. You just need to make sure to shim it underneath so that the sliders will hang down.
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 14:26:14
Installing domes one by one obviously takes a lot of time, but I'm surprised that reviewer had seating issues. Were they trying to place the domes directly on the PCB or something? Best way to do it is to drop them into the sliders with the sliders hanging all the way down (just get two boxes and put them at the edges of the plate so the sliders aren't pressing against anything).
This is exactly what I did when I dome-swapped my HHKB. You just need to make sure to shim it underneath so that the sliders will hang down.
I've only done a NT dome swap.
How do you feel about having an adhesive side on the dome so it sticks to the pcb?
Post by: BSmith333 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 17:57:40
Installing domes one by one obviously takes a lot of time, but I'm surprised that reviewer had seating issues. Were they trying to place the domes directly on the PCB or something? Best way to do it is to drop them into the sliders with the sliders hanging all the way down (just get two boxes and put them at the edges of the plate so the sliders aren't pressing against anything).
This is exactly what I did when I dome-swapped my HHKB. You just need to make sure to shim it underneath so that the sliders will hang down.
I've only done a NT dome swap.
How do you feel about having an adhesive side on the dome so it sticks to the pcb?
Adhesive would be awesome so the springs dont fly everywhere when you open it up again
Post by: xondat on Sun, 11 June 2017, 18:34:30
(https://www.keychatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/keychatter_2015-07-21_21-01-33.jpg)
Adhesive would be annoying in my opinion; if you stick them on in the wrong place, you're kinda screwed.
Post by: clickityClackity on Sun, 11 June 2017, 18:38:12
I wonder if the guy put the domes on the PCB or on the housings. You should put in on the housings (from my experience). There are already pins to help line them up, as seen here:I've had issues where the spring didn't sit flat when placing the domes in the housing. I would definitely prefer if they were glued properly at the factory, but putting glue myself would be tedious go say the leastShow Image(https://www.keychatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/keychatter_2015-07-21_21-01-33.jpg)
Adhesive would be annoying in my opinion; if you stick them on in the wrong place, you're kinda screwed.
Post by: robbles on Sun, 11 June 2017, 18:44:01
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 19:44:37
There is no adhesive applied in the factory correct? I always assumed the domes kinda stuck to the PCB because rubber tends to naturally adhere to smooth surfaces overtime. I might be down if it was a really light adhesive that didn't leave residue on the PCB, just so the domes stayed in place if you have to open it back up.
Ours will use 3M adhesive. Only the best.
Post by: Gajible on Sun, 11 June 2017, 20:36:25
There is no adhesive applied in the factory correct? I always assumed the domes kinda stuck to the PCB because rubber tends to naturally adhere to smooth surfaces overtime. I might be down if it was a really light adhesive that didn't leave residue on the PCB, just so the domes stayed in place if you have to open it back up.
Ours will use 3M adhesive. Only the best.
I'm not sure how I feel about adhesive. I've done a few dome swaps and I feel like having the domes stick to the PCB would be real annoying.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 11 June 2017, 20:44:22
There is no adhesive applied in the factory correct? I always assumed the domes kinda stuck to the PCB because rubber tends to naturally adhere to smooth surfaces overtime. I might be down if it was a really light adhesive that didn't leave residue on the PCB, just so the domes stayed in place if you have to open it back up.
Ours will use 3M adhesive. Only the best.
I'm not sure how I feel about adhesive. I've done a few dome swaps and I feel like having the domes stick to the PCB would be real annoying.
Yeah having adhesive is definitely something I don't want.
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 20:57:59
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 11 June 2017, 21:05:27
Post by: jchan94 on Mon, 12 June 2017, 00:53:50
Anyways, here are two more reviews.
Review 1
Pro
- pretty bang on with quality (had to mark it just so I wouldn't confuse it with 55g dome)
- as it sits now: if you like heavy switches, this is right up your alley
- **** yes to topre dome options
- seems to fit in housing just fine
Con
- this is heavy compared to 55g (i'm not a heavy switch user)
- imo because the weight is so high it feels like it kills some of the tactility?
Review 2
Pro
- Super tactile compared to rf 55g
- Comparable quality and feel to rf 55g
- Same actuation point and collapse point
Cons
- Heavier than rf 55g by a lot
- There is bur/spru marks on the edges of the dome from the mold
My Response
The dome was measured. It's about 155g if you use the coin test to measure it so the dome hits the bottom.
I'll be adjusting the model to get somewhere around 75g.
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 12 June 2017, 03:58:25
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 12 June 2017, 08:58:11
Post by: robbles on Mon, 12 June 2017, 11:08:44
...
My Response
The dome was measured. It's about 155g if you use the coin test to measure it so the dome hits the bottom.
I'll be adjusting the model to get somewhere around 75g.
Thank you for 75g bottom out! That sounds perfect.
I'm curious what boards the testers were using.
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 12 June 2017, 17:18:38
These aren't the BKE dome clones, that's a separate project.
Ah yeah Thanks. Totally got the projects mistaken
Post by: Koatl on Mon, 12 June 2017, 20:41:43
Anyway I'm super excited by this project. I'm thinking I should buy enough for every board I would eventually plan on buying, just in case. Unfortunately I only specified on the form that I want 110. I'm going to resubmit the form for a larger order. I hope this doesn't cause any confusion.
I'm positive I'm going to want to upgrade to the BKE as well when and if they come out. >_<
Post by: a_ak57 on Mon, 12 June 2017, 21:33:37
Please excuse my ignorance: can this dome be used on the Topre 108 RGB without losing MX compatibility? Seems like the dome would go underneath the cap housing/stem, so it shouldn't be a problem. Just figured I'd ask to make sure.
Anyway I'm super excited by this project. I'm thinking I should buy enough for every board I would eventually plan on buying, just in case. Unfortunately I only specified on the form that I want 110. I'm going to resubmit the form for a larger order. I hope this doesn't cause any confusion.
I'm positive I'm going to want to upgrade to the BKE as well when and if they come out. >_<
Yep you'll be able to use these without issue, though you'll void your warranty since you have to open up the case. Also you don't have to worry about the form in the OP, that's just there to give jchan an idea of how many people are interested and for how many domes. There will be an actual group buy/sale later on.
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 15 June 2017, 12:25:31
Should have them by next week. Hyped!
Post by: romevi on Thu, 15 June 2017, 13:14:53
New samples are being made this week!:confused:
Should have them by next week. Hyped!
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 15 June 2017, 15:05:06
jchan domes? keyclack domes? kc/jc domes?
Post by: marre259 on Fri, 16 June 2017, 00:24:56
Exciting! Has anyone thought about what we will call these? I really like how people call their novatouches with Norbauer's case the "norbatouch".
jchan domes? keyclack domes? kc/jc domes?
jchan's nipples :))
Post by: superdoedoe on Fri, 16 June 2017, 09:22:22
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 17 June 2017, 00:33:14
Anyways, we're working on making new samples.
Arrives next Friday or the following Monday. I'll measure it then, and hope there's good progress. Cheers.
Post by: ns90 on Sat, 17 June 2017, 23:26:28
Post by: romevi on Mon, 19 June 2017, 12:01:25
J Cups?
LOL YES!
Post by: rm-rf on Mon, 19 June 2017, 20:35:10
J Cups?
LOL YES!
i like the sound of jcups
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 21 June 2017, 16:19:59
Hoping these are just right.
My small review of the 150g ish dome.
- On my HHKB Pro 2 Spacebar
- I like how tactile it is, but it is a tad heavy. I had to take out the spring because the spring made it feel super linear.
Post by: switchnollie on Thu, 22 June 2017, 20:09:51
I wonder if the guy put the domes on the PCB or on the housings. You should put in on the housings (from my experience). There are already pins to help line them up, as seen here:Show Image(https://www.keychatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/keychatter_2015-07-21_21-01-33.jpg)
Adhesive would be annoying in my opinion; if you stick them on in the wrong place, you're kinda screwed.
Yeah, whenever I see people saying HHKB is hard to put together I feel like they're not using this method.
Real easy this way.
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 27 June 2017, 09:45:53
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 28 June 2017, 02:30:01
70g dome
(http://i.imgur.com/UBOOcuo.jpg)
Real Force dome
(http://i.imgur.com/LnXQEhE.jpg)
HHKB dome
(http://i.imgur.com/o0JcTWH.jpg)
Post by: Gajible on Wed, 28 June 2017, 02:33:20
New ones came in, and they're pretty good. These are 70g
70g domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/UBOOcuo.jpg)
Real Force domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/LnXQEhE.jpg)
HHKB domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0JcTWH.jpg)
How do they feel as far as tactility goes?
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 28 June 2017, 02:34:53
New ones came in, and they're pretty good. These are 70g
70g domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/UBOOcuo.jpg)
Real Force domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/LnXQEhE.jpg)
HHKB domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0JcTWH.jpg)
How do they feel as far as tactility goes?
I'll send you like 4 of em. Feel pretty good. I'd describe it as a huge bump.
Post by: Gajible on Wed, 28 June 2017, 02:41:09
New ones came in, and they're pretty good. These are 70g
70g domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/UBOOcuo.jpg)
Real Force domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/LnXQEhE.jpg)
I like big bumps and I cannot lie.
HHKB domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0JcTWH.jpg)
How do they feel as far as tactility goes?
I'll send you like 4 of em. Feel pretty good. I'd describe it as a huge bump.
I like big bumps and I cannot lie.
Post by: Asbrodeus on Wed, 28 June 2017, 07:01:18
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 28 June 2017, 07:04:36
New ones came in, and they're pretty good. These are 70g
70g domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/UBOOcuo.jpg)
Real Force domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/LnXQEhE.jpg)
HHKB domeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0JcTWH.jpg)
ay dios mio that 70g :eek:
Post by: rioc on Wed, 28 June 2017, 07:43:42
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 28 June 2017, 10:07:23
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 28 June 2017, 10:43:20
Post by: robbles on Wed, 28 June 2017, 10:46:56
Post by: elcubismo on Wed, 28 June 2017, 11:38:22
Post by: Burt Macklin on Wed, 28 June 2017, 18:58:57
Is there at least a rough date?
Like, in 2 months, or sooner/later?
Post by: Asbrodeus on Thu, 29 June 2017, 06:05:13
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 29 June 2017, 09:29:19
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.
Yes that's what I'm thinking is the case, so I'm 100% down for this.
Post by: SJHL on Thu, 29 June 2017, 10:01:58
Thanks for making this happen.
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 29 June 2017, 10:19:46
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.
The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Tue, 04 July 2017, 20:46:08
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 05 July 2017, 19:27:02
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.
The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.
So this is what's interesting about the JDomes.
Clearly, the bottom out force is signifcantly higher, I feel that the domes actuation force is close to the Realforce domes. There is a nice big bump in the beginning, which I really like.
I sent final review samples to Gajible, and Quakemz, who may or may not post some final feedback on the domes, but I highly encourage that they do.
I'm really excited, and we're almost there.
Please fill out the form if you haven't.
----
Lastly, we're still trying to mock up the BKE dome, and make sure that it's good to go. I hope we get it done very soon and follow up after this GB is over with.
I'm going to quote a 1 month turnaround time for this GB, as the manufacturer has been extremely timely with their current turnaround times.
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 06 July 2017, 00:02:34
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.
The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.
So this is what's interesting about the JDomes.
Clearly, the bottom out force is signifcantly higher, I feel that the domes actuation force is close to the Realforce domes. There is a nice big bump in the beginning, which I really like.
I sent final review samples to Gajible, and Quakemz, who may or may not post some final feedback on the domes, but I highly encourage that they do.
I'm really excited, and we're almost there.
Please fill out the form if you haven't.
----
Lastly, we're still trying to mock up the BKE dome, and make sure that it's good to go. I hope we get it done very soon and follow up after this GB is over with.
I'm going to quote a 1 month turnaround time for this GB, as the manufacturer has been extremely timely with their current turnaround times.
Great news! I don't mind heavy bottom out since I don't really bottom out anyway, as long as the actuation is similar enough. I just need that bump! Also, I think we all voted on jcups as the official term :P
Post by: heyitsqi on Sun, 09 July 2017, 13:38:08
Post by: BAS1C on Tue, 11 July 2017, 14:39:47
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.
The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.
So this is what's interesting about the JDomes.
Clearly, the bottom out force is signifcantly higher, I feel that the domes actuation force is close to the Realforce domes. There is a nice big bump in the beginning, which I really like.
I sent final review samples to Gajible, and Quakemz, who may or may not post some final feedback on the domes, but I highly encourage that they do.
I'm really excited, and we're almost there.
Please fill out the form if you haven't.
----
Lastly, we're still trying to mock up the BKE dome, and make sure that it's good to go. I hope we get it done very soon and follow up after this GB is over with.
I'm going to quote a 1 month turnaround time for this GB, as the manufacturer has been extremely timely with their current turnaround times.
So i touched a bke this weekend and am in love. In for both. tyvmjc
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 11 July 2017, 18:06:49
Someone mentioned 55g domes bottom out at 80g so these are 55g copies (75g + 5g from the spring). Makes a lot more sense now.
The domes labeled Realforce look dark like the 55g domes though and have 10 nickels on top, which would be 50g (and the HHKB dome has 8 i.e. 40g). So I think these latest J Cups are indeed just heavier.
So this is what's interesting about the JDomes.
Clearly, the bottom out force is signifcantly higher, I feel that the domes actuation force is close to the Realforce domes. There is a nice big bump in the beginning, which I really like.
I sent final review samples to Gajible, and Quakemz, who may or may not post some final feedback on the domes, but I highly encourage that they do.
I'm really excited, and we're almost there.
Please fill out the form if you haven't.
----
Lastly, we're still trying to mock up the BKE dome, and make sure that it's good to go. I hope we get it done very soon and follow up after this GB is over with.
I'm going to quote a 1 month turnaround time for this GB, as the manufacturer has been extremely timely with their current turnaround times.
So i touched a bke this weekend and am in love. In for both. tyvmjc
I've never tried it, but I've heard good things and I'm also in for both. What did you think of the BKE domes?
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Tue, 11 July 2017, 18:37:49
Edit: sorry, realised i've already posted fairly recently on this thread... (is this spamming??) I'm just so excited for this
Post by: LogicLoop on Sun, 16 July 2017, 11:21:27
Post by: elcubismo on Sun, 16 July 2017, 14:19:55
Having skimmed through this thread: am I correct in thinking that the 70g domes have the same actuation (more or less) as 55g Topre domes. Or are we talking about domes with a 70g actuation?
As I understand, it's 55g actuation, 70g bottom out
Post by: clappingcactus on Thu, 20 July 2017, 19:26:37
Also, for you personally, what do you think of having a Topre board with '55g dome' alphas and 'bke dome' mods? Given that I guess you have familiarity with both.
Post by: dotcom on Thu, 27 July 2017, 08:58:42
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 27 July 2017, 09:16:35
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 27 July 2017, 11:41:02
Do we expect these to work on Topre clone keyboards like Plum etc?
Yeah, I don't see why not. They all use similar enough domes.
Post by: kmba on Thu, 27 July 2017, 12:15:29
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 27 July 2017, 12:51:01
With these, bke domes, those other ones from Seattle meetup, upcoming fc660c and 980c aluminum cases, I think I'm gonna have to sell my MX boards and get more topre. I like my two the way they are but I'll need more. At least 3. Uhg.
Topre's dopre.
What domes were at the Seattle meetup?
Actually, jchan is also working with someone else to replicate/mimic BKE domes too, so I'm getting both from him :P
I'm also excitied about the FC660C case... almost endgame for my novatouch and leo. What a time to be alive.
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 27 July 2017, 13:25:43
Post by: hayt on Fri, 28 July 2017, 09:21:29
Post by: LogicLoop on Tue, 01 August 2017, 12:56:29
Actually, jchan is also working with someone else to replicate/mimic BKE domes too, so I'm getting both from him :P
What weight are the BKE domes?
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 01 August 2017, 14:26:01
Actually, jchan is also working with someone else to replicate/mimic BKE domes too, so I'm getting both from him :P
What weight are the BKE domes?
I believe BKE domes are technically also around 45g, but it's said to have much greater tactility and a very different feel. Never felt them myself, but I want to!
Post by: drevyek on Tue, 01 August 2017, 22:19:25
Post by: directheatedtriode on Wed, 02 August 2017, 11:26:36
Post by: arninja21 on Sun, 20 August 2017, 04:10:10
Post by: colbs on Fri, 25 August 2017, 17:34:34
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Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 29 August 2017, 10:46:13
Post by: robbles on Tue, 29 August 2017, 11:29:51
TL;DR Jchan is hella busy with other gb's and will probably pick this up when his plate is clear.
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 29 August 2017, 14:50:41
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 29 August 2017, 20:33:50
--
Last week, I had a good chat with a new manufacturer, and I had some third parties visit them in Asia to confirm a few things. Basically, few things are moving.
I paid for a new sample mold for the 55g + BKE domes.
The mold will be produced after Sept 6, and samples delivered at the end of Sept to me.
After that, we will run through some QC and then see how to proceed.
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The biggest thing about the domes is the quality. It is so immensely important to get the feeling and rubber right on it.
Once we have good samples, we'll be proceeding, but this is kinda "pending", but I made a little progress.
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Lastly, in order to alleviate the whole "GB PROCESS", and "WAITING" period, I'll be skipping that here.
In any case, we have a small waiting game for the samples.
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Some people who will receive the samples as they helped me on the backend for this to get it to where it is today:
- Platabear
- Quakemz
- Thedford
- Gajible
- ?
- ?
I have 70 domes of each total, and they get 10 each.
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I hope this update is substantial enough, as I want to state that manufacturers are a dime a dozen, and hopefully we're closing in the one that can provide us the amazing feels that we desire.
Post by: arninja21 on Tue, 29 August 2017, 21:13:09
Just wanted to bump this, as I saw some posts on this.Thanks for the update jchan. Can't wait to try both bke and 55g.
--
Last week, I had a good chat with a new manufacturer, and I had some third parties visit them in Asia to confirm a few things. Basically, few things are moving.
I paid for a new sample mold for the 55g + BKE domes.
The mold will be produced after Sept 6, and samples delivered at the end of Sept to me.
After that, we will run through some QC and then see how to proceed.
---
The biggest thing about the domes is the quality. It is so immensely important to get the feeling and rubber right on it.
Once we have good samples, we'll be proceeding, but this is kinda "pending", but I made a little progress.
---
Lastly, in order to alleviate the whole "GB PROCESS", and "WAITING" period, I'll be skipping that here.
In any case, we have a small waiting game for the samples.
---
Some people who will receive the samples as they helped me on the backend for this to get it to where it is today:
- Platabear
- Quakemz
- Thedford
- Gajible
- ?
- ?
I have 70 domes of each total, and they get 10 each.
---
I hope this update is substantial enough, as I want to state that manufacturers are a dime a dozen, and hopefully we're closing in the one that can provide us the amazing feels that we desire.
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Post by: drevyek on Tue, 29 August 2017, 22:59:48
I'd be interested in who they are, the manufacturers: are they run-of-the-mill, garbage-heap rubber dome fabs that are trying something new; more akin to Plum with an already established pseudo-topre process; or fully out of left field?
I'd wonder if some of these companies are looking for an easy way into the Topresque scene? Or just some contract work on the side?
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 31 August 2017, 03:18:01
TopresqueNice neologism! Three languages in one word! I wonder what the record is for the most languages combined into a single word...
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 31 August 2017, 14:29:27
Post by: kmba on Thu, 31 August 2017, 15:18:21
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Post by: gnmar2723 on Thu, 31 August 2017, 16:38:01
I'm this close to pulling the trigger on a BKE-2010 I found, but these damned things are getting expensive.. is immediate gratification worth 3x the cost? :D
D
In the long run, no, probably not. Short run, absolutely. If you decide you don't want it, I would appreciate if you pointed me to where I can buy it... :))
Post by: clappingcactus on Thu, 31 August 2017, 19:28:55
I'm this close to pulling the trigger on a BKE-2010 I found, but these damned things are getting expensive.. is immediate gratification worth 3x the cost? :D
D
In the long run, no, probably not. Short run, absolutely. If you decide you don't want it, I would appreciate if you pointed me to where I can buy it... :))
There's one on ebay right now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-BKE-2010-Editing-Keyboard-Great-Condition-/132311104347?hash=item1ece5b3b5b:g:xGcAAOSwXf9ZpYlj
Post by: kmba on Thu, 31 August 2017, 19:58:13
I'm this close to pulling the trigger on a BKE-2010 I found, but these damned things are getting expensive.. is immediate gratification worth 3x the cost? :D
D
In the long run, no, probably not. Short run, absolutely. If you decide you don't want it, I would appreciate if you pointed me to where I can buy it... :))
There's one on ebay right now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-BKE-2010-Editing-Keyboard-Great-Condition-/132311104347?hash=item1ece5b3b5b:g:xGcAAOSwXf9ZpYlj
Yes and the exact same one is listed on Craigslist but the seller won't respond to any communication. Seems fishy. That's not the one I'm eyeing
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 01 September 2017, 04:13:56
Post by: dblack on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:32:51
What do people do after they have harvested the domes from these Sony BKE?
Dome swap to HHKBs mostly
Post by: elcubismo on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:53:13
What do people do after they have harvested the domes from these Sony BKE?
Dome swap to HHKBs mostly
Yeah, I've seen those and the FC660C the most. Haven't really seen any done on Realforces, but I'm sure they are out there.
Unless menuhin meant what is done with the leftover Sony board - in that case, usually nothing lol.
Post by: kmba on Wed, 06 September 2017, 13:06:16
What do people do after they have harvested the domes from these Sony BKE?
Dome swap to HHKBs mostly
Yeah, I've seen those and the FC660C the most. Haven't really seen any done on Realforces, but I'm sure they are out there.
Unless menuhin meant what is done with the leftover Sony board - in that case, usually nothing lol.
Because the most available bke units don't have enough switches to cover a Realforce.
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Wed, 06 September 2017, 19:57:25
Post by: sodiumjoe on Wed, 06 September 2017, 23:11:15
I paid for a new sample mold for the 55g + BKE domes.
The mold will be produced after Sept 6, and samples delivered at the end of Sept to me.
I have 70 domes of each total, and they get 10 each.
Does this mean you made separate molds for 55g domes and BKE domes? So they'll both be shipping at the same time? Or did the two projects get merged into one?
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 07 September 2017, 10:59:10
Post by: sodiumjoe on Thu, 07 September 2017, 15:46:04
From what I heard from Platabear on reddit, they are separate projects that are both in the prototype phase.Oh great, thanks! Anyone know what weight the bke domes are?
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Post by: graefeln on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:14:56
From what I heard from Platabear on reddit, they are separate projects that are both in the prototype phase.Oh great, thanks! Anyone know what weight the bke domes are?
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Haven't used them personally, but my understanding is that they are less than 55g (~45g) with a more tactile feel.
Post by: Miotch92 on Sat, 09 September 2017, 02:26:45
Post by: joelfong on Sat, 09 September 2017, 10:02:58
Post by: luminor on Thu, 14 September 2017, 04:49:49
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 15 September 2017, 15:19:08
We'll have a pricing update next week when I get them on hand. Then review units sent out to people.
(https://i.gyazo.com/2faf2ce74cde935d3b50dfb81d60e72f.png)
Post by: Strontaap on Fri, 15 September 2017, 15:52:43
Post by: drevyek on Fri, 15 September 2017, 22:50:12
Post by: menuhin on Sat, 16 September 2017, 12:21:34
BKE Dome Samples Produced.
We'll have a pricing update next week when I get them on hand. Then review units sent out to people.Show Image(https://i.gyazo.com/2faf2ce74cde935d3b50dfb81d60e72f.png)
Drooling...
I want to be one of those "people" :p
Post by: joelfong on Sat, 16 September 2017, 23:44:33
BKE Dome Samples Produced.
We'll have a pricing update next week when I get them on hand. Then review units sent out to people.Show Image(https://i.gyazo.com/2faf2ce74cde935d3b50dfb81d60e72f.png)
Looking good!
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 18 September 2017, 12:30:44
Post by: midnight2903 on Tue, 19 September 2017, 19:49:14
Post by: madhias on Fri, 22 September 2017, 03:55:00
Post by: enthdegree on Tue, 26 September 2017, 16:04:56
I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.
Post by: Atredl on Tue, 26 September 2017, 17:41:41
Is there a template for capacitive sensing PCBs and controllers?I'm pretty sure a custom Topre board, if anyone ever figures out how to make one, would always require a full pcb because of the pressure that needs to be applied to the domes. That would also mean that the plate/slider housings would be custom made for the layout you're building.
I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.
It's not something that could be hand-wired the same way a cherry board can because each Topre switch isn't a modular part. Someone might be able to invent a modular Topre switch, kinda like the buckling spring switch that was up on kickstarter a while back, but it sounds like a complicated endeavor.
All that said, I would love for custom Topre boards to become a thing. It's just a very tall order.
Post by: kmba on Tue, 26 September 2017, 18:33:54
Post by: madhias on Wed, 27 September 2017, 04:28:36
Is there a template for capacitive sensing PCBs and controllers?I'm pretty sure a custom Topre board, if anyone ever figures out how to make one, would always require a full pcb because of the pressure that needs to be applied to the domes. That would also mean that the plate/slider housings would be custom made for the layout you're building.
I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.
Maybe this thread is interesting, a custom split HHKB, still in progress: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/another-custom-split-hand-topre-board-need-your-input-t14769.html?hilit=custom%20topre
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 27 September 2017, 04:36:30
Maybe this thread is interesting, a custom split HHKB, still in progress: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/another-custom-split-hand-topre-board-need-your-input-t14769.html?hilit=custom%20topreWell I'll be damned, those guys over at deskthority sure are impressive.
Post by: robotsokk on Wed, 27 September 2017, 08:42:02
Is there a template for capacitive sensing PCBs and controllers?I'm pretty sure a custom Topre board, if anyone ever figures out how to make one, would always require a full pcb because of the pressure that needs to be applied to the domes. That would also mean that the plate/slider housings would be custom made for the layout you're building.
I'd like to make a custom board based on these bke clones but the sensing mechanism looks like a headache to hand-wire.
Maybe this thread is interesting, a custom split HHKB, still in progress: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/another-custom-split-hand-topre-board-need-your-input-t14769.html?hilit=custom%20topre
Ah beat me to it :p
Another interesting one: https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/designing-a-custom-topre-board-t11734.html
But, I digress. Still very much interested in what reviewers think once they have their hands on them.
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 29 September 2017, 17:14:46
Definitely want to get down on some domes. If anyone is able and willing to replace some domes for me, I'd hire you for it. Keep me in mind. ^__^
Post by: Vadurr on Fri, 29 September 2017, 17:32:10
I'm so glad I didn't miss this. Was away from gh for a few months.
Definitely want to get down on some domes. If anyone is able and willing to replace some domes for me, I'd hire you for it. Keep me in mind. ^__^
It's super easy! Youtube will make it a peace of cake!
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 29 September 2017, 20:57:14
It's super easy! Youtube will make it a peace of cake!
Oh whaaaat? I was under the impression it was a major pain. Apparently not. Thank you so much!
Post by: a_ak57 on Fri, 29 September 2017, 22:10:37
I think a lot of people just make it more difficult for themselves during the dome installation step by just putting the board on a flat surface, when you actually want to let all the sliders freely hang downward since the domes will drop in and align easily then.
Post by: jchan94 on Mon, 02 October 2017, 22:20:31
So far - people are really happy with them.
BKE:w
Reviewer 1:
- A Little Heavy but SUPER tactile
Reviewer 2:
- More tactile than BKE but the bump is slightly lower
- Overall: love them.
Reviewer 3:
- Very snappy
- Not heavy
Post by: sodiumjoe on Mon, 02 October 2017, 22:51:52
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Post by: jchan94 on Mon, 02 October 2017, 22:57:42
so excited, what's next?
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We're working on a lighter BKE dome atm.
It's already dome but it ships out after the autumn festival.
We'll have all of the domes in November so you can get them for yourself.
I think we'll also have a dome sampler pack so you can test them out yourself. Maybe 5 of BKE-light and BKE-heavy
Post by: sodiumjoe on Mon, 02 October 2017, 23:00:06
OMG, that's amazing! I was just lamenting how it's impossible to make a variable bke board, and you're making it possible. I'm thrilled!so excited, what's next?
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We're working on a lighter BKE dome atm.
It's already dome but it ships out after the autumn festival.
We'll have all of the domes in November so you can get them for yourself.
I think we'll also have a dome sampler pack so you can test them out yourself. Maybe 5 of BKE-light and BKE-heavy
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Post by: Vadurr on Mon, 02 October 2017, 23:27:42
Post by: drevyek on Mon, 02 October 2017, 23:34:54
Super excited to grab some. Is this going to be a GB in any way, or it is it more like a storefront (hence the sampler packs)?
Post by: Burt Macklin on Tue, 03 October 2017, 08:33:27
Review units have been sent out to people.
So far - people are really happy with them.
BKE:w
Reviewer 1:
- A Little Heavy but SUPER tactile
Reviewer 2:
- More tactile than BKE but the bump is slightly lower
- Overall: love them.
Reviewer 3:
- Very snappy
- Not heavy
ooOOOooOO :eek:
Heavy AND super tactile ..
bring it on !
Post by: Wolf123rt on Tue, 03 October 2017, 12:07:13
Post by: elcubismo on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:02:51
What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?
Post by: rm-rf on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:25:18
Ok, so the 55g domes are going to be called jcups, I believe we've established.please do not call them that.
What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?
Post by: sth on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:34:00
Ok, so the 55g domes are going to be called jcups, I believe we've established.
What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?
why not name them after the person who originated the mod?
Post by: sth on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:37:31
Post by: rm-rf on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:40:37
VAIOmes
haha
Ok, so the 55g domes are going to be called jcups, I believe we've established.
What are we going to call the BKE domes? I believe Reddit user platabear was heavily involved in the design, so maybe platadomes?
why not name them after the person who originated the mod?
i'm not sure thats a good idea.
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Wed, 04 October 2017, 21:54:14
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 04 October 2017, 22:41:47
This may seem like a weird question, but has anyone ever tried doing a domeswap on a novatouch with bke domes or is that impossible. I got one in recently and was wondering if there way any tinkering I could do other than buying a norbauer case for it.I don’t know if anyone’s done it but it surely should be compatible. The Novatouch has genuine Topre domes and PCBs so I’m pretty sure it’ll work.
Edit: To answer the second part of your question, any mod that works on other Topre boards will work on the Novatouch. i.e. lubing, silencing rings, etc. Though obviously you won’t need to do a MX slider swap.
Post by: kmba on Thu, 05 October 2017, 06:34:42
This may seem like a weird question, but has anyone ever tried doing a domeswap on a novatouch with bke domes or is that impossible. I got one in recently and was wondering if there way any tinkering I could do other than buying a norbauer case for it.
best mod for any topre board is silencing, hopefully using silenced sliders, not rings.. although kbdfans rings are very thin. Cheapest is lube.
Post by: clappingcactus on Thu, 05 October 2017, 08:18:49
This may seem like a weird question, but has anyone ever tried doing a domeswap on a novatouch with bke domes or is that impossible. I got one in recently and was wondering if there way any tinkering I could do other than buying a norbauer case for it.
Totally already done before, by both me and by Gajible (https://imgur.com/gallery/XXxZl).
The best tinkering for it is definitely adding a Norbauer case. It makes the typing extremely stable and satisfying (Norbauer cases are no longer being sold as part of group buys, but without fail there's one on sale every month or so on r/mechmarket). The Novatouch is also pretty loud. If you'll open it up to swap domes, absolutely buy some kbdfans silence-x rings and do it all at the same time!
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 05 October 2017, 08:43:10
Post by: robotsokk on Thu, 05 October 2017, 09:06:45
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.
I'm in a similar boat. I added Hypersphere rings to my NT almost two years ago, and it totally transformed the board into one I never plan on selling/trading away. If I had one complaint, it's that I wish it were a tad heavier feel when typing on it. Enter these lovely replacement domes :) I'm planning on timing the swapping to my first Norbauer case so that I can do a dome swap at the same time (might as well do a light lube job while I'm at it). Quite stoked :D
Post by: elcubismo on Thu, 05 October 2017, 10:31:27
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.
I'm in a similar boat. I added Hypersphere rings to my NT almost two years ago, and it totally transformed the board into one I never plan on selling/trading away. If I had one complaint, it's that I wish it were a tad heavier feel when typing on it. Enter these lovely replacement domes :) I'm planning on timing the swapping to my first Norbauer case so that I can do a dome swap at the same time (might as well do a light lube job while I'm at it). Quite stoked :D
Same here, but I don't think I'll be able to wait for the domes and case to both be ready, I'm going to do the mods as soon as I get them :P
Lubing the sliders helped quite a bit, I highly recommend doing so! Much more smooth, and a tad bit quieter.
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 17:41:25
The Light versions came in and they are 100% satisfactory for me.
I've made a payment for everything and the domes arrive for retail before 11/11 (make a wish).
Pricing
Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Topre Domes Light - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Light - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Light - 110 units - $66
Topre Domes Heavy - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Heavy - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Heavy - 110 units - $66
My Personal Review
BKE Light (Will be Light Grey)
- Nice Tactile Bump.
- Closer to OEM BKE
- Around 50G (without spring)
I really like this one. This is the one I'm going to role with (except the spacebar), because of how light I need the switch to be.
BKE Heavy (Will be Black)
- Bigger Tactile Bump, very sharp tactile
- Around 60G (without spring)
- This is probably the most tactile dome you'll ever try, ever.
I like this one for the spacebar, but the dome is a little too heavy for me for regular keys. It will definitely bring fatigue for me. For reference, I use 67g springs normally (linear or tactile). Needs to be silenced. It's loud as heck.
I recommend the light version if you're looking for a good conversion, but if you're looking for a crazy tactile experience, go with the heavies. There is a sample pack that will be available as well so you can try it out.
NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.
Post by: drevyek on Tue, 17 October 2017, 17:51:57
What is availability like? The tester is only a good idea if there are still domes left to buy after you test them, and I have a feeling these will go quickly.
And the springs add 5-10g? Making the heavies close to 70g, and lights 60g?
Post by: Evilocity on Tue, 17 October 2017, 17:52:44
Big Update:Wow good prices! ****ing hype!!!
The Light versions came in and they are 100% satisfactory for me.
I've made a payment for everything and the domes arrive for retail before 11/11 (make a wish).
Pricing
Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Topre Domes Light - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Light - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Light - 110 units - $66
Topre Domes Heavy - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Heavy - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Heavy - 110 units - $66
My Personal Review
BKE Light (Will be Light Grey)
- Nice Tactile Bump.
- Closer to OEM BKE
- Around 50G (without spring)
I really like this one. This is the one I'm going to role with (except the spacebar), because of how light I need the switch to be.
BKE Heavy (Will be Black)
- Bigger Tactile Bump, very sharp tactile
- Around 60G (without spring)
- This is probably the most tactile dome you'll ever try, ever.
I like this one for the spacebar, but the dome is a little too heavy for me for regular keys. It will definitely bring fatigue for me. For reference, I use 67g springs normally (linear or tactile). Needs to be silenced. It's loud as heck.
I recommend the light version if you're looking for a good conversion, but if you're looking for a crazy tactile experience, go with the heavies. There is a sample pack that will be available as well so you can try it out.
NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.
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Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 17:59:29
Awesome!
What is availability like? The tester is only a good idea if there are still domes left to buy after you test them, and I have a feeling these will go quickly.
And the springs add 5-10g? Making the heavies close to 70g, and lights 60g?
Springs add 5g. You don't need to worry about not being able to get any.
Post by: xondat on Tue, 17 October 2017, 18:01:12
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 18:03:40
Kind of interested, but when would they be shipped considering everything?
We're clearing everything up soon.
We have other things coming in, but the bigger projects (m65a, 1965) are left up to me, where the store (retail like this, and stock we have on hand) is handled by my employee.
Cheers, thanks Xondat. GL on your gb btw.
edit for Clarity: Retail is immediately available and ships in 1-3 business days after purchase. This includes domes, and other sets we have on hand.
Post by: xondat on Tue, 17 October 2017, 18:05:05
Kind of interested, but when would they be shipped considering everything?
We're clearing everything up soon.
We have other things coming in, but the bigger projects (m65a, 1965) are left up to me, where the store (retail like this, and stock we have on hand) is handled by my employee.
Cheers, thanks Xondat. GL on your gb btw.
edit for Clarity: Retail is immediately available and ships in 1-3 business days after purchase. This includes domes, and other sets we have on hand.
Okay thanks for clarifying.
Thanks, and GL too.
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Tue, 17 October 2017, 19:14:22
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 19:25:32
Have you tried either dome in an HHKB?
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 19:26:36
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/G0HjuoR.png)
Have you tried either dome in an HHKB?
I only use a HHKB :))
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 19:27:02
Dang nice that this is all coming along so well. Would there be an option for me to buy a set of 70 lights and 5 heavys? Would like to try the heavy on the spacebar like you were saying and possibly on some other mods.
I think you'll have to grab the sample + 70 pack.
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 19:34:34
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/G0HjuoR.png)
Have you tried either dome in an HHKB?
I only use a HHKB :))
Ah, ok. How would you say the BKE HHKB feels compared to the metal plate topre boards?
Post by: Wolf123rt on Tue, 17 October 2017, 20:01:49
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Tue, 17 October 2017, 20:14:57
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 17 October 2017, 20:41:30
What do the BKE domes feel like? I was told by someone that they just feel like stiff topre domes, and that his old topre board feels similar.
It's hard to describe, but it's just a huge bump that is so satisfying to hear and feel.
I would characterize that they are "stiffer", but that's a quality that makes them so tactile as well.
People who own older topre boards do say that the the domes do feel stiffer. This is something that people reported about older HHKB boards, compared to newer production models of the HHKB. But BKE is just different.
It's ineffable really.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/G0HjuoR.png)
Have you tried either dome in an HHKB?
I only use a HHKB :))
Ah, ok. How would you say the BKE HHKB feels compared to the metal plate topre boards?
I'll have to ask around, as my realforce is kinda rektd.
Is there anywhere that sells replacement topre springs? With the upcoming dome swap I want to have a few spare on hand
Unfortunately, nope :(.
Post by: BAS1C on Wed, 18 October 2017, 00:20:15
Big Update:
The Light versions came in and they are 100% satisfactory for me.
I've made a payment for everything and the domes arrive for retail before 11/11 (make a wish).
Pricing
Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Topre Domes Light - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Light - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Light - 110 units - $66
Topre Domes Heavy - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Heavy - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Heavy - 110 units - $66
My Personal Review
BKE Light (Will be Light Grey)
- Nice Tactile Bump.
- Closer to OEM BKE
- Around 50G (without spring)
I really like this one. This is the one I'm going to role with (except the spacebar), because of how light I need the switch to be.
BKE Heavy (Will be Black)
- Bigger Tactile Bump, very sharp tactile
- Around 60G (without spring)
- This is probably the most tactile dome you'll ever try, ever.
I like this one for the spacebar, but the dome is a little too heavy for me for regular keys. It will definitely bring fatigue for me. For reference, I use 67g springs normally (linear or tactile). Needs to be silenced. It's loud as heck.
I recommend the light version if you're looking for a good conversion, but if you're looking for a crazy tactile experience, go with the heavies. There is a sample pack that will be available as well so you can try it out.
NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.
What an update! Really pumped on this. Thanks for keeping the fire burning on this one over the summer. Looking forward to these and the store stock.
Post by: elcubismo on Wed, 18 October 2017, 10:47:49
Either way, I'm definitely going to get a set for my Norbatouch. Torn as to whether I should go with all light (which will still be a little heavier than stock), light alphas and heavy mods, all heavy, or all light with just a single heavy for the spacebar like jchan is going to do. And maybe I need to get some for my FC660C...
Post by: Trente on Wed, 18 October 2017, 14:47:52
Big Update:
The Light versions came in and they are 100% satisfactory for me.
I've made a payment for everything and the domes arrive for retail before 11/11 (make a wish).
Pricing
Topre Domes Samples (5 light, 5 heavy)- $10
Topre Domes Light - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Light - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Light - 110 units - $66
Topre Domes Heavy - 25 units - $18
Topre Domes Heavy - 70 units - $50
Topre Domes Heavy - 110 units - $66
My Personal Review
BKE Light (Will be Light Grey)
- Nice Tactile Bump.
- Closer to OEM BKE
- Around 50G (without spring)
I really like this one. This is the one I'm going to role with (except the spacebar), because of how light I need the switch to be.
BKE Heavy (Will be Black)
- Bigger Tactile Bump, very sharp tactile
- Around 60G (without spring)
- This is probably the most tactile dome you'll ever try, ever.
I like this one for the spacebar, but the dome is a little too heavy for me for regular keys. It will definitely bring fatigue for me. For reference, I use 67g springs normally (linear or tactile). Needs to be silenced. It's loud as heck.
I recommend the light version if you're looking for a good conversion, but if you're looking for a crazy tactile experience, go with the heavies. There is a sample pack that will be available as well so you can try it out.
NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.
Great Price! Hope be able to get my hands on them soon!
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 18 October 2017, 19:42:46
This is awesome! Not that I mind, but just to be clear, are you scrapping the idea of heavier "regular" domes and going with just the BKE variant?
Either way, I'm definitely going to get a set for my Norbatouch. Torn as to whether I should go with all light (which will still be a little heavier than stock), light alphas and heavy mods, all heavy, or all light with just a single heavy for the spacebar like jchan is going to do. And maybe I need to get some for my FC660C...
the 55g project is particularly interesting. We're still refining the shape, and the stiffness, but we just can't seem to get the feel correct.
We're still working on it, and we're on our 7th or so engineering sample. Hope it goes somewhere, but it's currently in a limbo state until we get it correct.
Post by: boxfrommoon on Thu, 19 October 2017, 02:40:13
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.
I'm in a similar boat. I added Hypersphere rings to my NT almost two years ago, and it totally transformed the board into one I never plan on selling/trading away. If I had one complaint, it's that I wish it were a tad heavier feel when typing on it. Enter these lovely replacement domes :) I'm planning on timing the swapping to my first Norbauer case so that I can do a dome swap at the same time (might as well do a light lube job while I'm at it). Quite stoked :D
I have an exact same situation with my NovaTouch. It is Hypersphere'd, Norbauer case coming later this year and not yet lubed. I also have a HHKB and I have to say that because of the tactility the HHKB just feels much better than NovaTouch. NT switches feel almost like linear compared to HHKB. Could these domes be answer to make NT feel more like HHKB?
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 19 October 2017, 02:47:13
I have a Novatouch, added hypersphere rings and lube to it just like you would with any other topre board. Waiting on my Norbauer case. The domes are of similar design as any of the other topre boards, so there should be no issues doing a dome swap to improve the feel. I'm actually looking forward to this project because of my novatouch more so than my FC660C, since I love the sound and feel of that board so much already. The novatouch needs a little "something" though, and I think the dome swap will do wonders for it.
I'm in a similar boat. I added Hypersphere rings to my NT almost two years ago, and it totally transformed the board into one I never plan on selling/trading away. If I had one complaint, it's that I wish it were a tad heavier feel when typing on it. Enter these lovely replacement domes :) I'm planning on timing the swapping to my first Norbauer case so that I can do a dome swap at the same time (might as well do a light lube job while I'm at it). Quite stoked :D
I have an exact same situation with my NovaTouch. It is Hypersphere'd, Norbauer case coming later this year and not yet lubed. I also have a HHKB and I have to say that because of the tactility the HHKB just feels much better than NovaTouch. NT switches feel almost like linear compared to HHKB. Could these domes be answer to make NT feel more like HHKB?
The Novatouch, oh mean - talk about discontinued. It feels like forever ago since I saw that board lol.
In any case, I hope so. Definitely try out the sample pack if you're looking to try it out, but I'd definitely say it's a likely solution to your linear feels issue.
The tactility on these are bananas :p
Post by: boxfrommoon on Thu, 19 October 2017, 03:02:58
The Novatouch, oh mean - talk about discontinued. It feels like forever ago since I saw that board lol.Awesome! As being from EU I think I will just go straight for the lighter version set. It can get little expensive just to try out samples.
In any case, I hope so. Definitely try out the sample pack if you're looking to try it out, but I'd definitely say it's a likely solution to your linear feels issue.
The tactility on these are bananas :p
Can't wait get my hands on these!
Post by: Gajible on Thu, 19 October 2017, 04:18:45
The Novatouch, oh mean - talk about discontinued. It feels like forever ago since I saw that board lol.Awesome! As being from EU I think I will just go straight for the lighter version set. It can get little expensive just to try out samples.
In any case, I hope so. Definitely try out the sample pack if you're looking to try it out, but I'd definitely say it's a likely solution to your linear feels issue.
The tactility on these are bananas :p
Can't wait get my hands on these!
Having used the OG BKE domes in a Novatouch, I can tell you they won't make it feel like an HHKB. They'll be a heck of a lot more tactile, and it'll feel amazing. :thumb:
Post by: dante on Thu, 19 October 2017, 07:59:33
This is awesome! Not that I mind, but just to be clear, are you scrapping the idea of heavier "regular" domes and going with just the BKE variant?
Either way, I'm definitely going to get a set for my Norbatouch. Torn as to whether I should go with all light (which will still be a little heavier than stock), light alphas and heavy mods, all heavy, or all light with just a single heavy for the spacebar like jchan is going to do. And maybe I need to get some for my FC660C...
the 55g project is particularly interesting. We're still refining the shape, and the stiffness, but we just can't seem to get the feel correct.
We're still working on it, and we're on our 7th or so engineering sample. Hope it goes somewhere, but it's currently in a limbo state until we get it correct.
The part I don't understand is why are you trying to copy the standard 55g domes? Every review I've seen of the BKE says they are a dramatic improvement over Topre.
Are there people who prefer stock 55g over BKE?
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 19 October 2017, 08:08:26
Post by: kmba on Thu, 19 October 2017, 08:22:01
This is awesome! Not that I mind, but just to be clear, are you scrapping the idea of heavier "regular" domes and going with just the BKE variant?
Either way, I'm definitely going to get a set for my Norbatouch. Torn as to whether I should go with all light (which will still be a little heavier than stock), light alphas and heavy mods, all heavy, or all light with just a single heavy for the spacebar like jchan is going to do. And maybe I need to get some for my FC660C...
the 55g project is particularly interesting. We're still refining the shape, and the stiffness, but we just can't seem to get the feel correct.
We're still working on it, and we're on our 7th or so engineering sample. Hope it goes somewhere, but it's currently in a limbo state until we get it correct.
The part I don't understand is why are you trying to copy the standard 55g domes? Every review I've seen of the BKE says they are a dramatic improvement over Topre.
Are there people who prefer stock 55g over BKE?
I prefer stock 55g over bke. Bke are too tactile and feel weird. It's a super sharp feeling bump then a quick collapsing feeling. Stock domes feel smoother and more drawn out. Much more pleasing. I can only imagine how insane the reproduction heavy bke domes are gonna be.
Post by: Wolf123rt on Thu, 19 October 2017, 22:08:36
This is awesome! Not that I mind, but just to be clear, are you scrapping the idea of heavier "regular" domes and going with just the BKE variant?
Either way, I'm definitely going to get a set for my Norbatouch. Torn as to whether I should go with all light (which will still be a little heavier than stock), light alphas and heavy mods, all heavy, or all light with just a single heavy for the spacebar like jchan is going to do. And maybe I need to get some for my FC660C...
the 55g project is particularly interesting. We're still refining the shape, and the stiffness, but we just can't seem to get the feel correct.
We're still working on it, and we're on our 7th or so engineering sample. Hope it goes somewhere, but it's currently in a limbo state until we get it correct.
The part I don't understand is why are you trying to copy the standard 55g domes? Every review I've seen of the BKE says they are a dramatic improvement over Topre.
Are there people who prefer stock 55g over BKE?
I prefer stock 55g over bke. Bke are too tactile and feel weird. It's a super sharp feeling bump then a quick collapsing feeling. Stock domes feel smoother and more drawn out. Much more pleasing. I can only imagine how insane the reproduction heavy bke domes are gonna be.
Now I don't know if I want 55g or BKE heavy
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 20 October 2017, 01:11:11
Thanks so much for all your hard work on this. Plan on getting a bunch of light and heavy, just in case I like one more than the other.
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 20 October 2017, 02:08:13
I really don't want to miss out on this. Is there a recommended way to subscribe for updates? Or to get a notification when I can buy?
Thanks so much for all your hard work on this. Plan on getting a bunch of light and heavy, just in case I like one more than the other.
Thanks so much for this. I really appreciate the kind words mate.
You can sign up for our mailing list - https://goo.gl/LiKLZN
But in any case, you won't have anything to miss because we will have a flowing stock of this.
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Fri, 20 October 2017, 02:31:39
I have a norbatouch build i've been setting aside until your domes are dunzo. Your domes will be the final touch :)
Post by: typischt on Fri, 20 October 2017, 02:42:32
...
NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.
Can someone elaborate a bit what exactly is annoying about it? And is it only annoying or also kinda hard to do (for a not so experienced user like me..)?
Anyways, really looking forward to this, I think I will try out both versions.
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Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 20 October 2017, 02:59:04
...
NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.
Can someone elaborate a bit what exactly is annoying about it? And is it only annoying or also kinda hard to do (for a not so experienced user like me..)?
Anyways, really looking forward to this, I think I will try out both versions.
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they dome we have developed are individual units. So that means, they are each made 1 key.
Typically, the domes are in "sheets", that can be installed or swapped easily.
So this mod is a tad cumbersome honestly. I think I'll have to make a good tutorial on how to do it to save people time.
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 20 October 2017, 16:15:52
You can sign up for our mailing list - https://goo.gl/LiKLZN
But in any case, you won't have anything to miss because we will have a flowing stock of this.
Thanks! All signed up. Happy to hear this won't be as limited as I anticipated.
I plan on slapping these on a Seasonic Realforce RGB with JTK MX sliders and a GMK set. I'll report here my experience in switching them out and typing on them.
So this mod is a tad cumbersome honestly. I think I'll have to make a good tutorial on how to do it to save people time.
That would be excellent!
Post by: Captainbuttmonkey on Fri, 20 October 2017, 17:34:10
Is there anywhere that sells replacement topre springs? With the upcoming dome swap I want to have a few spare on hand
I happen to have a **** load of spares, I'm happy to send you some for the price of postage
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Fri, 20 October 2017, 17:36:40
Post by: elcubismo on Fri, 20 October 2017, 22:20:02
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NGL: the mod is extremely annoying to do.
Can someone elaborate a bit what exactly is annoying about it? And is it only annoying or also kinda hard to do (for a not so experienced user like me..)?
Anyways, really looking forward to this, I think I will try out both versions.
Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk
they dome we have developed are individual units. So that means, they are each made 1 key.
Typically, the domes are in "sheets", that can be installed or swapped easily.
So this mod is a tad cumbersome honestly. I think I'll have to make a good tutorial on how to do it to save people time.
It isn't too bad if you suspend the board upside down, place the domes in and then the springs
Post by: Enoch on Sat, 21 October 2017, 14:30:21
How is the volume and feel compared to non Type-S?
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 21 October 2017, 21:45:27
Just a quick-o update on what is happening.
Our production mold is finished. What does that mean? That means, that the mold that will be making all of the domes is complete, and we're going into production sampling to double check the integrity of the mold and compare them with our pre-production samples.
After we verify that is good to go, we will go into production. Currently, we are on track for everything to arrive before 11/10.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 21 October 2017, 23:56:14
Hi everyone,
Just a quick-o update on what is happening.
Our production mold is finished. What does that mean? That means, that the mold that will be making all of the domes is complete, and we're going into production sampling to double check the integrity of the mold and compare them with our pre-production samples.
After we verify that is good to go, we will go into production. Currently, we are on track for everything to arrive before 11/10.
thanks bud
Post by: DillonHightower on Sun, 22 October 2017, 01:05:07
On a side note, I like heavy switches. Currently using some cherrystotles with 85g springs. Do you think I would like the heavy version of this over the light version? I could not stand how light the novatouch felt and how liner they were . I like a bump and I like a tad bit of pressure. As you can tell from the switches in my main board , I like loud switches as well.. What would you guys recommend?
Post by: kmba on Sun, 22 October 2017, 12:47:35
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 22 October 2017, 16:11:04
****ing yes!!!! This is going to be epic! Been waiting for such things. This will be great for the community as well. Tired of people charging $4 per dome Jchan94 Keep up the good work! looking forward to this
On a side note, I like heavy switches. Currently using some cherrystotles with 85g springs. Do you think I would like the heavy version of this over the light version? I could not stand how light the novatouch felt and how liner they were . I like a bump and I like a tad bit of pressure. As you can tell from the switches in my main board , I like loud switches as well.. What would you guys recommend?
Definitely try the heavies then. They're unapologetically loud.
People charge $4/dome because bke units usually sell for over $200 these days.
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Post by: Atredl on Sun, 22 October 2017, 17:23:13
I don't know what this is supposed to mean... but I agree.People charge $4/dome because bke units usually sell for over $200 these days.Show Image(https://www.healthstatus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/bananas-improve-health.jpg)
Post by: _rubik on Mon, 23 October 2017, 10:12:16
Post by: clickstops on Mon, 23 October 2017, 13:34:49
Separately -- I'm really curious to try these. 65g "BKE" vs alps orange is going to be really interesting since they sound quite similar.
Post by: drevyek on Mon, 23 October 2017, 13:51:28
I love my FC980, but the 45g is really light. Coming from Orange Alps (with 50g springs), I'm really looking forward to these.
https://plot.ly/~haata/297
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 24 October 2017, 09:09:35
Orange Alps peak at 60g, and I feel they're a bit closer to 55g usually than 65g. It'll certainly be interesting, especially with the sharper tactility.
I love my FC980, but the 45g is really light. Coming from Orange Alps (with 50g springs), I'm really looking forward to these.
https://plot.ly/~haata/297
See I'm really at a cross road here. I have my rf87u domes in my HHKB and I love it. So I'm debating between something new and something safe. Would samples be an option before we buy 100+ sets?
Post by: kmba on Tue, 24 October 2017, 10:42:20
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 24 October 2017, 14:30:57
Orange Alps peak at 60g, and I feel they're a bit closer to 55g usually than 65g. It'll certainly be interesting, especially with the sharper tactility.
I love my FC980, but the 45g is really light. Coming from Orange Alps (with 50g springs), I'm really looking forward to these.
https://plot.ly/~haata/297
Definitely try the sample pack to help make a better purchasing decision mate.
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 27 October 2017, 17:02:01
Sorry if that was already asked and answered.
Post by: rm-rf on Fri, 27 October 2017, 17:45:09
Jchan, are you able to give feedback on how these domes feel compared to the oeiginal, manufacturer BKE domes?
Sorry if that was already asked and answered.
they feel very good compared to the carbon foot bke.
i like them a lot. i would say they are almost the same but with the bonus of different weights.
Post by: jebbra on Sat, 28 October 2017, 07:30:32
Post by: norbauer on Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:40:59
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 29 October 2017, 10:54:13
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 29 October 2017, 16:15:26
Just saw this thread for the first time and am delighted to learn of its existence. I'm a dainty-fingered 30g-dome lightweight, and currently I have to resort to buying JIS boards and stealing the domes. I'd love to see that process get easier (and less expensive) by being able to obtain just domes.
Norbauer if all you want is really lightweight domes you can already get 35g replica domes from ebay (the same 35g domes that comes on the Plum/Royal Kludge Topre domes
Post by: RealLaugh on Mon, 30 October 2017, 02:23:31
Just saw this thread for the first time and am delighted to learn of its existence. I'm a dainty-fingered 30g-dome lightweight, and currently I have to resort to buying JIS boards and stealing the domes. I'd love to see that process get easier (and less expensive) by being able to obtain just domes.
Norbauer if all you want is really lightweight domes you can already get 35g replica domes from ebay (the same 35g domes that comes on the Plum/Royal Kludge Topre domes
As someone who's thrown money at that idea, I can't recommend getting the eBay 35g dome sheets - like the listing says, they're for the plum and other replicas and even if they do fit they're not a replacement for OG domes in terms of quality IMHO. I never mounted my sheet but some others already went through the pain https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84951.0
Post by: norbauer on Mon, 30 October 2017, 15:53:04
Just saw this thread for the first time and am delighted to learn of its existence. I'm a dainty-fingered 30g-dome lightweight, and currently I have to resort to buying JIS boards and stealing the domes. I'd love to see that process get easier (and less expensive) by being able to obtain just domes.
Norbauer if all you want is really lightweight domes you can already get 35g replica domes from ebay (the same 35g domes that comes on the Plum/Royal Kludge Topre domes
As someone who's thrown money at that idea, I can't recommend getting the eBay 35g dome sheets - like the listing says, they're for the plum and other replicas and even if they do fit they're not a replacement for OG domes in terms of quality IMHO. I never mounted my sheet but some others already went through the pain https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84951.0
Yes, I’ve heard several similar reports, which is why I haven’t tried those.
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Post by: jchan94 on Mon, 30 October 2017, 22:54:46
But it doesn't end here. We're still working on the 55g domes, and I hope to get some results soon. Thanks everyone!
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 02 November 2017, 00:15:05
We have over 200lbs worth of rubber domes coming in soon.
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Thu, 02 November 2017, 00:18:39
Post by: robbles on Thu, 02 November 2017, 11:26:43
All the domes have finished manufacturing, and are currently being sorted.
We have over 200lbs worth of rubber domes coming in soon.
Can't wait! This is a landmark project for the Topre sub-community. Excited to see what the future holds.
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 02 November 2017, 15:35:16
We'll have them (ETA) end of next week.
Post by: Evilocity on Thu, 02 November 2017, 15:36:54
This ships out on Monday to us.Awesome!!! I am so stoked.
We'll have them (ETA) end of next week.
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Post by: _rubik on Thu, 02 November 2017, 17:49:52
Post by: Koatl on Thu, 02 November 2017, 20:16:02
Gotta start researching the best silencing options for Topre.
Post by: Konjungamo on Thu, 02 November 2017, 20:21:56
Super hyped for the domes!
Post by: nmur on Thu, 02 November 2017, 20:23:13
I've got some Silence-X rings coming from KBDfans, those are supposed to be just as good as the infamous Hyperspheres, there's a few comparison posts out there.
Super hyped for the domes!
i've recently installed silence-x rings, and yeah they feel pretty identical
thankful someone has eventually provided a viable alternative
Post by: Koatl on Thu, 02 November 2017, 20:27:41
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 02 November 2017, 20:51:51
I did some A-B testing not too long ago and I found that there was a difference both in tactility and noise. In terms of tactility Silence-X rings are really close to stock Topre but Hyperspheres lose a noticeable amount. Hyperspheres do silence a tiny bit more though, or at least they change the pitch to a different note compared to Silence-X.I've got some Silence-X rings coming from KBDfans, those are supposed to be just as good as the infamous Hyperspheres, there's a few comparison posts out there.
Super hyped for the domes!
i've recently installed silence-x rings, and yeah they feel pretty identical
thankful someone has eventually provided a viable alternative
Here’s a link in case you want to read through.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/719pts/hypersphere_vs_silencex_sound_test_tactility/?st=J9J8R8M0&sh=6aa6cd2a
Post by: kmba on Thu, 02 November 2017, 21:14:15
Post by: sth on Thu, 02 November 2017, 21:42:51
will these be stocked/for sale on keyclack?
Post by: Evilocity on Thu, 02 November 2017, 21:44:24
Sorry I'm DumbYup in about 2 weeks. It's not a GB, it'll be sold continuously on keyclack.
will these be stocked/for sale on keyclack?
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Post by: Koatl on Thu, 02 November 2017, 21:49:16
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/719pts/hypersphere_vs_silencex_sound_test_tactility/?st=J9J8R8M0&sh=6aa6cd2a
Thanks. Based on this, I'm glad I picked up some Silence-X rings.
Ro-59 is rare but it's not amazing. Krytox is a significantly better lubricant when it comes to friction reduction, it's just certain mixes will not stay put long enough to maintain efficiency. For topre boards though, it's very easy to reapply.
Good to know. Thank you. I'm curious what mixes would be best. I'll research that, unless you or someone else can provide some info here. EDIT: Looks like techkeys.us sells it. Cool.
Post by: sth on Thu, 02 November 2017, 21:49:55
Sorry I'm DumbYup in about 2 weeks. It's not a GB, it'll be sold continuously on keyclack.
will these be stocked/for sale on keyclack?
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thanks - i thought so but wasn't sure. :)
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 03 November 2017, 04:42:40
It can be found here - https://imgur.com/a/Wmg0B
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Post by: Koatl on Fri, 03 November 2017, 08:38:31
Post by: Burt Macklin on Fri, 03 November 2017, 09:47:16
As someone who has done this numerous times - that last step is very important, so pay attention and be thorough.
It's all too easy to rush putting everything back together, only to find out in the end you didn't really check each dome,
and 2-3 are misaligned and behave weirdly when pressed, and you then have to do it all over again.
Super annoying.
Post by: superpiya on Fri, 03 November 2017, 11:14:47
This is amazing. I'm so excited! Ready to buy a whole bunch of these bad boys!
Gotta start researching the best silencing options for Topre.
If you hate loud clacks, I recommend hyperspheres. BKE domes will make your board twice as loud, even when already silenced.
Good to know! Thank you! Gonna look into that. Looking into the RO-59 lube too. Apparently it's a pretty rare and amazing lube, but which the GB is making available.
You'd want krytox lube for its buttery smoothness.
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 03 November 2017, 12:16:13
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Fri, 03 November 2017, 12:30:06
Can't wait for the sale. I have the BKE domes from two PVE-500 installed on my pro2, and I'm really curious about the 'heavy' variant.This is amazing. I'm so excited! Ready to buy a whole bunch of these bad boys!
Gotta start researching the best silencing options for Topre.
If you hate loud clacks, I recommend hyperspheres. BKE domes will make your board twice as loud, even when already silenced.
I'd recommend KBDFans' silencing rings. They are thinner and much less expensive than hyperspheres. You get a noticeable increase in travel over hyperspheres, even with the little difference in thickness.
Post by: regionfree on Fri, 03 November 2017, 12:54:19
Post by: robbles on Fri, 03 November 2017, 12:57:47
would be great if you could post a before and after sound test :D
Check out Atredl's reddit post that he linked to above.
Post by: Atredl on Fri, 03 November 2017, 13:30:48
My post doesn’t review BKE redux domes though. Maybe I have to do an update 🤔would be great if you could post a before and after sound test :D
Check out Atredl's reddit post that he linked to above.
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 04 November 2017, 01:16:18
I'm also throwing in some bonuses to celebrate.
- First 25 people to purchase, receive a Topre enamel pin
- First 10 people to purchase, receive a 12.6 x 10.6 Topre Mat.
(https://i.gyazo.com/b6a51d37be3c61b8c9cac73260d7c81d.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/2Fqmyag.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OBUc4eM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Xdh1UZL.jpg)
Post by: Konjungamo on Sat, 04 November 2017, 07:40:48
Any shipping cost estimates for orders from Europe?
I just did a demo order for the Oblivion Spacebar Kit and got an estimate of 40$ but I'm guessing the domes won't be nearly as bulky allowing for shipping them in a padded envelope or the like.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 04 November 2017, 13:53:00
Looking forward to stock on keyclack :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 04 November 2017, 15:21:52
Post by: _rubik on Sun, 05 November 2017, 12:06:23
Post by: sodiumjoe on Sun, 05 November 2017, 12:45:03
Post by: Atredl on Sun, 05 November 2017, 13:32:13
Will these be thrown into the classifieds? Or will it be on another site?Pretty sure these will be sold through his store keyclack.com
Post by: Evilocity on Mon, 06 November 2017, 17:44:22
what time on Friday will these go live?5pm pst on Friday!
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Post by: DillonHightower on Thu, 09 November 2017, 19:28:09
Post by: luminor on Fri, 10 November 2017, 05:12:21
Post by: Burt Macklin on Fri, 10 November 2017, 05:28:22
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 10 November 2017, 08:16:45
The domes can be packed in a envelope so it'll be very cheap for shipping.
Man, I sure hope so. Last time I was planning to buy the GMK Burgundy only to stop dead because a $90 shipping fee (I'm in Asia) on top of a $180 keycap set was just, let's say over the line shall we? 🙂
Post by: mbsurfer on Fri, 10 November 2017, 12:53:02
Post by: Evilocity on Fri, 10 November 2017, 12:57:14
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Post by: _rubik on Fri, 10 November 2017, 13:19:57
Post by: eksuen on Fri, 10 November 2017, 13:34:31
Will this be stocked for a limited amount of time? Or is this a stocked item for the foreseeable future?
From the email sent out:
Quote
...and we will have a continuous stock of them available.
Post by: _rubik on Fri, 10 November 2017, 13:40:04
Post by: apolotary on Fri, 10 November 2017, 17:32:49
Post by: Koatl on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:02:19
Oh ****, it's DillonHightower below me! I bought stuff from you recently! Congrats bro! I hope you're within the first 10!
-Kozahtli on Reddit
Post by: DillonHightower on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:02:22
Post by: lunr on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:03:00
Post by: robbles on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:03:19
Post by: Burt Macklin on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:03:47
The domes can be packed in a envelope so it'll be very cheap for shipping.
Yeah, $61.65 shipping for EU (Croatia) is quite cheap :(
Wtf.
Post by: luminor on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:03:52
Post by: nmur on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:04:00
The domes can be packed in a envelope so it'll be very cheap for shipping.
almost put my order in but was getting $37 quotes for shipping to Aus for 70-110 packs :eek:
does that sound right? or does that quote only go for US orders
Post by: dangboy on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:04:11
Post by: apolotary on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:05:36
Post by: Murrellz on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:06:28
Post by: DillonHightower on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:06:52
Post by: DillonHightower on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:07:32
Put my order in as I waited up all night for these things... $33 to the UK. C'mon, I sure hope I get a partial refund, feel robbed on these things.
Still better than 2.50 per dome on the market.. Dont feel to robbed
Post by: Konjungamo on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:08:48
Post by: boxfrommoon on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:09:52
I was so excited to get i to first 10, but $33 for shipping is ridiculous :(
Same here. But it was $40.28 for me to Finland. Unfortunately not going to order the domes for that shipping cost
Post by: drevyek on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:16:04
Paying 50% of the subtotal on shipping isn't what I had hoped for. How much more is USPS?
Post by: Evilocity on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:21:52
F that. You can ship full keysets for a lot less.
Post by: drevyek on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:29:27
$30 shipping to Canada?!?!Yeah, didn't jchan say it'd be cheap shipping? That'd like eBay bad.
F that. You can ship full keysets for a lot less.
Post by: Evilocity on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:30:44
$30 shipping to Canada?!?!Yeah, didn't jchan say it'd be cheap shipping? That'd like eBay bad.
F that. You can ship full keysets for a lot less.
Yep I remember him saying that somewhere.
Post by: xondat on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:36:55
Post by: b9nign on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:51:47
Post by: drevyek on Fri, 10 November 2017, 19:56:28
It's possible that the auto calculator for shipping is wrong so I'd wait for jchan's comment :'(100% this. I missed the window on the pins, so I don't mind waiting a few days, if that, to hear back.
Post by: robotsokk on Fri, 10 November 2017, 23:00:16
I'm curious, for those of you that have placed your orders, what did you decide on?
I could try a sample pack, but I have my doubts that pressing on the domes directly will be representative of what it would be like to type on in practice (that is, unless I open up my NT and cut the existing sheet, close the case back up, etc...).
Post by: elcubismo on Fri, 10 November 2017, 23:12:28
I thought the lights were going to be in the 50g range, but should still be nice and I was worried 65 everywhere would be too heavy.
My novatouch will soon be complete!
Post by: arninja21 on Fri, 10 November 2017, 23:22:47
- topreminem
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Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 10 November 2017, 23:23:46
Hm, originally I considered using light domes for alphas + arrow keys, and heavy domes for F-keys and the 'Insert'/'Print Screen' blocks. But now that the moment as arrived, I'm concerned that the 15g difference between the two will be a bit much.
I'm curious, for those of you that have placed your orders, what did you decide on?
I could try a sample pack, but I have my doubts that pressing on the domes directly will be representative of what it would be like to type on in practice (that is, unless I open up my NT and cut the existing sheet, close the case back up, etc...).
The stock 55g on my Realforce is a tad too heavy for me, so I ordered a 70-pack.
The plan is to replace all the alphas and arrows' domes, while leaving the nav cluster + the F row + the spacebar untouched.
Post by: Lansky on Sat, 11 November 2017, 06:48:28
Post by: ewwgin on Sat, 11 November 2017, 06:52:15
$40 shipping... I'll sit this one out. :'(Check out the bottom of the product page and try emailing support to get a more favourable international shipping rate.
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Post by: Lansky on Sat, 11 November 2017, 07:14:53
Check out the bottom of the product page and try emailing support to get a more favourable international shipping rate.
Thanks for the heads up, I completely missed that. I'll give it a shot. :thumb:
Post by: ewwgin on Sat, 11 November 2017, 07:18:33
No worries! I sent in an email as well. Let's hope for the best.Check out the bottom of the product page and try emailing support to get a more favourable international shipping rate.
Thanks for the heads up, I completely missed that. I'll give it a shot. :thumb:
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Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 11 November 2017, 14:44:04
the shipping quotes are unfortunately accurate for the service that is automated to your location.
The calculation is done live, and is not "prequoted" for destinations. You can see it change as you actively change the zip code or state or country.
We're making the following changes at this stage
- If you're international, we can process you manually
- Email support@keyclack.com with your address + desired thing
- You'll get usps first class international
- If you're in a USA Territory (i.e. Guam), we'll be fixing that, as it should be considered APO/USA/Domestic.
Later this weekend:
- International should be swapped over to First Class International
- However, if your package exceeds $150, then an express service is selected
These changes might take some time to implement, most likely end of next week as we update the shipping infrastructure.
Post by: Konjungamo on Sat, 11 November 2017, 17:53:51
Post by: drevyek on Sat, 11 November 2017, 18:32:29
Post by: totallycaked on Sun, 12 November 2017, 11:00:38
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 12 November 2017, 20:07:05
Post by: hayt on Sun, 12 November 2017, 21:58:44
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Post by: jchan94 on Mon, 13 November 2017, 17:28:26
You can try placing an order now and email support@keyclack.com if you have any other questions.
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just a reminder: this isn't a support thread :), please email us , but we will reply to questions here as well.
Post by: drevyek on Mon, 13 November 2017, 21:07:17
Just grabbed 110 lights. Can't wait
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 14 November 2017, 00:35:49
Post by: Lansky on Tue, 14 November 2017, 06:02:07
We updated shipping quotas for international and such.
Can confirm that shipping to Denmark went from $40 to $14. Thanks for fixing it! :thumb:
Post by: Burt Macklin on Tue, 14 November 2017, 07:44:29
$14 down from $61 :p
In for 110 heavies!
Post by: DillonHightower on Tue, 14 November 2017, 15:24:55
Post by: xondat on Tue, 14 November 2017, 20:04:56
Post by: FSund on Wed, 15 November 2017, 05:22:21
EDIT: The price difference between 70 and 110 domes is just $16, or 40 cents per dome. So a 88-pack (or perhaps just round up to 90 in case of defects) would be $57.2 ($58 for a 90-pack). Not sure if it's worth the hassle to Keyclack to add the two extra packs though, but just wanted to throw it out there.
Post by: totallycaked on Wed, 15 November 2017, 07:31:59
Any interest in a 88-pack? That should cover both ANSI and ISO tenkeyless Realforce keyboards.
EDIT: The price difference between 70 and 110 domes is just $16, or 40 cents per dome. So a 88-pack (or perhaps just round up to 90 in case of defects) would be $57.2 ($58 for a 90-pack). Not sure if it's worth the hassle to Keyclack to add the two extra packs though, but just wanted to throw it out there.
I went with the 70 pack for my novatouch. I'm just going to go variable weight and use the NT domes on my esc+f-keys and the arrow cluster with these BKE's on the remaining keys
Post by: FSund on Wed, 15 November 2017, 07:59:15
Post by: totallycaked on Wed, 15 November 2017, 11:49:51
This image shows the NT dome sheet:
https://i.imgur.com/N87RWql.jpg
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 15 November 2017, 18:04:56
Any interest in a 88-pack? That should cover both ANSI and ISO tenkeyless Realforce keyboards.
EDIT: The price difference between 70 and 110 domes is just $16, or 40 cents per dome. So a 88-pack (or perhaps just round up to 90 in case of defects) would be $57.2 ($58 for a 90-pack). Not sure if it's worth the hassle to Keyclack to add the two extra packs though, but just wanted to throw it out there.
platabear mentioned on reddit that it would cost more money to have the factory sort the domes into 88-packs
Post by: Koatl on Wed, 15 November 2017, 23:27:02
Eta on when orders will ship out Jchan?
I second that inquiry.
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 16 November 2017, 01:43:58
Eta on when orders will ship out Jchan?
I second that inquiry.
Everything will be out on Friday, and might leak over to a Monday / Tuesday pick up.
We're doing some small QC / counting to make sure the bags are accurate to the count.
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To comment on the 88 dome thing: so I looked this over before we put together the packages, and while I agree that having the domes available in that package can help, the overall idea of having an extra 2 Skus, (and space to separate them), is a tad on the "should i" part. The sorting fees, were already a tad high, seeing that the domes are super light, and the deviation in weight is very small, compared to lets say... any gateron/cherry switch on a gram scale.
Post by: tusing on Thu, 16 November 2017, 04:18:44
Should the 45g BKE Redux domes help in this regard, or would the impact of the lube still overwhelm the tactility of the domes?
Post by: kmba on Thu, 16 November 2017, 08:49:17
Post by: robbles on Thu, 16 November 2017, 09:14:20
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 16 November 2017, 17:52:05
Anyone have tips for storing domes and domesheets that you aren't currently using? I was thinking of storing them in a shallow tupperware but I'm not sure if storing them slightly folded is a good idea.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-14-in-15-Compartment-Bin-Small-Parts-Organizer-83053N13/204536846
I have a bunch of these to store small things. They're meant for screws and such, but I use it for a bunch of keyboard stuff.
I put my dome sheets in there. it is "rolled", but not tightly.
Post by: clickstops on Thu, 16 November 2017, 22:30:37
Lol nothing will overwhelm the tactility of bke domes. Seriously they make the most tactile switch you can imagine.
Interesting. Can you compare to Alps tactiles?
Post by: Ouster on Fri, 17 November 2017, 03:27:55
So I lubed my FC990C, and the board feels a bit less tactile. This seems to be because there is a little bit more force required to push down on the key. (I used Zeal's thick lube.)The BKE domes are extremely tactile. Changing to BKE from regular Topre domes will definitely add a bigger tactile bump with or without lube.
Should the 45g BKE Redux domes help in this regard, or would the impact of the lube still overwhelm the tactility of the domes?
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Post by: Ouster on Fri, 17 November 2017, 03:32:31
Looking forward to ordering when other buys are cleared up/reviews are outI emailed Keyclack about their stock and the reply stated that while they don't know the demand it will only be about a month between restocks if they do sell out. Sounds like they will be keeping BKE domes in their store for the foreseeable future.I hope the stock lasts long enough.
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Post by: kmba on Fri, 17 November 2017, 10:50:37
Lol nothing will overwhelm the tactility of bke domes. Seriously they make the most tactile switch you can imagine.
Interesting. Can you compare to Alps tactiles?
Alps switches are a smooth steady bump that starts high in the press and extends pretty far into the press. The tactility feels "round". They compare more to regular topre domes, in that the tactility increases and decreases smoothly. Bke domes provide a much sharper tactile point and then they more rapidly collapse (or feel like they do at least). So there's a quick "snap" point to the tactility. Kinda hard to explain
Post by: hpfalcon on Fri, 17 November 2017, 11:08:01
Post by: Konjungamo on Fri, 17 November 2017, 11:09:46
Post by: drevyek on Fri, 17 November 2017, 18:10:47
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Fri, 17 November 2017, 18:23:29
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 17 November 2017, 21:35:33
We're likely to finish packing these Tuesday or Wednesday next week.
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 17 November 2017, 21:57:35
Just a heads up, of something to expect.
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Fri, 17 November 2017, 22:40:57
Post by: BillyBuerger on Sat, 18 November 2017, 00:29:14
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).
Just a heads up, of something to expect.
That would be awesome. That would almost complete the list of parts needed to replace parts on a topre board. Or better yet, for creating custom boards. Only thing missing still is the top housing. But I think there could be other options for that as well. I would definitely buy in on some of those springs.
Post by: Lansky on Sat, 18 November 2017, 06:36:52
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).
That's cool!
Are these going to be replacements for the stock springs? Or will there be more options, like lighter/heavier versions?
Post by: totallycaked on Sat, 18 November 2017, 07:31:19
Post by: metalliccharles on Sun, 19 November 2017, 16:34:56
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).
Just a heads up, of something to expect.
Heavier spacebar spring would be :thumb: gold goldgold
Post by: regionfree on Mon, 20 November 2017, 22:25:34
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Mon, 20 November 2017, 22:49:41
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 20 November 2017, 22:50:15
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).
Just a heads up, of something to expect.
Someone gives me an education please: If I already install the BKE domes, what would a custom spring bring to the board? Surely it's not just for a heavier key feel, since that's what the heavier domes are for, right?
Post by: nmur on Mon, 20 November 2017, 23:27:52
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).
Just a heads up, of something to expect.
Someone gives me an education please: If I already install the BKE domes, what would a custom spring bring to the board? Surely it's not just for a heavier key feel, since that's what the heavier domes are for, right?
i've heard that the spring accounts for 5g of the weight of the switch, so yeah i don't think there'd be much difference.
if anything, it would probably be a step towards custom topre boards, or just replacement parts
Post by: robbles on Tue, 21 November 2017, 20:29:52
Post by: xondat on Tue, 21 November 2017, 20:32:40
Oh, and I'm not sure how much "interest" there is, but we're currently working on making Topre Springs (spacebar + conical spring).
Just a heads up, of something to expect.
Someone gives me an education please: If I already install the BKE domes, what would a custom spring bring to the board? Surely it's not just for a heavier key feel, since that's what the heavier domes are for, right?
i've heard that the spring accounts for 5g of the weight of the switch, so yeah i don't think there'd be much difference.
if anything, it would probably be a step towards custom topre boards, or just replacement parts
Would be useful to get those weights in between as some may find light too light, and heavy too heavy so adding a slightly heavier spring may get it perfect.
Post by: regionfree on Tue, 21 November 2017, 22:29:26
Just got a shipping notification. Very excited for these.
So did I! YES!!!
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 21 November 2017, 22:46:02
We have now shipped the ones that were ordered before Nov 13 (Monday).
If you were ordered before then, you should have gotten a notification by now :). If not, we'll be packing it tomorrow.
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We have a few issues with some addresses that couldn't generate labels automagically, but this only applies to a few people (less than 5).
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 21 November 2017, 22:58:47
Hi,
We have now shipped the ones that were ordered before Nov 13 (Monday).
If you were ordered before then, you should have gotten a notification by now :). If not, we'll be packing it tomorrow.
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We have a few issues with some addresses that couldn't generate labels automagically, but this only applies to a few people (less than 5).
Hhmmm, still nothing yet (Ordered in the first hour). Sure hope I'm not one of those 5.
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 21 November 2017, 23:00:02
Hi,
We have now shipped the ones that were ordered before Nov 13 (Monday).
If you were ordered before then, you should have gotten a notification by now :). If not, we'll be packing it tomorrow.
---
We have a few issues with some addresses that couldn't generate labels automagically, but this only applies to a few people (less than 5).
Hhmmm, still nothing yet (Ordered in the first hour). Sure hope I'm not one of those 5.
Can you email support@keyclack.com?
That has me curious. Thanks!
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 22 November 2017, 00:04:39
Hi,
We have now shipped the ones that were ordered before Nov 13 (Monday).
If you were ordered before then, you should have gotten a notification by now :). If not, we'll be packing it tomorrow.
---
We have a few issues with some addresses that couldn't generate labels automagically, but this only applies to a few people (less than 5).
Hhmmm, still nothing yet (Ordered in the first hour). Sure hope I'm not one of those 5.
Can you email support@keyclack.com?
That has me curious. Thanks!
Ah never mind, the email just arrived. Apology for being that guy with the fake trouble 🙂
Post by: clickstops on Wed, 22 November 2017, 11:18:11
Lol nothing will overwhelm the tactility of bke domes. Seriously they make the most tactile switch you can imagine.
Interesting. Can you compare to Alps tactiles?
Alps switches are a smooth steady bump that starts high in the press and extends pretty far into the press. The tactility feels "round". They compare more to regular topre domes, in that the tactility increases and decreases smoothly. Bke domes provide a much sharper tactile point and then they more rapidly collapse (or feel like they do at least). So there's a quick "snap" point to the tactility. Kinda hard to explain
Super interesting, thanks for the reply. I feel like Alps collapse hard compared to Topre and part of what makes Topre so great (to me) is the roundness of the bump. Not sure I want to lose that for more tactility (alps blue and orange are tactile enough!) Still gonna try them, though... thanks again.
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 22 November 2017, 18:47:55
I'm currently working on making the springs, and hopefully, we start seeing some custom topre boards coming out in 2018. That would be really exciting!
Post by: hayt on Wed, 22 November 2017, 19:04:15
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Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 22 November 2017, 19:07:34
Any theories on if the 60g domes would be impacted by something like the new Norbauer Alu Case?
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Currently, I have no idea. But I think I'm going to have to get one of those cases for myself to check it out.
Too bad I don't have a novatouch :( and I don't want the realforce one that badly
Post by: robbles on Thu, 23 November 2017, 12:49:51
Post by: the pokemon kid on Thu, 23 November 2017, 18:33:04
Any theories on if the 60g domes would be impacted by something like the new Norbauer Alu Case?
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Currently, I have no idea. But I think I'm going to have to get one of those cases for myself to check it out.
Too bad I don't have a novatouch :( and I don't want the realforce one that badly
I will be able to see if the current Norbauer case is effected by the 60g domes! Got one coming!
Going to try and stream the dome swap too!
Post by: Sharku on Fri, 24 November 2017, 10:51:21
We've packed a bunch today, but unfortunately, the day has come to an end.
We're likely to finish packing these Tuesday or Wednesday next week.
I sent you an email to solve a payment issue. (SOLVED)
Post by: dangboy on Sat, 25 November 2017, 12:51:39
Bless.
Post by: cooldiscretion on Sat, 25 November 2017, 13:58:46
!!! Ohhhh bboooyy!! Got my heavy domes installed in HHKB... bajeesus. Whoever compared these to breakin off pieces of a Hershey bar was absolutely spot on. The crisp. The Thock.
Bless.
Any possibility you could do a typing video? All I have seen so far are typing vids using the OG BKE domes.
Post by: Lansky on Sat, 25 November 2017, 14:33:26
Any possibility you could do a typing video? All I have seen so far are typing vids using the OG BKE domes.
This pls
Post by: mbsurfer on Sat, 25 November 2017, 16:04:25
Any possibility you could do a typing video? All I have seen so far are typing vids using the OG BKE domes.
This pls
Only mods have the Redux BKE Heavy Domes, alphas are still stock. (Not my board, found on Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/))
Post by: cooldiscretion on Sat, 25 November 2017, 20:45:56
Any possibility you could do a typing video? All I have seen so far are typing vids using the OG BKE domes.
This pls
Only mods have the Redux BKE Heavy Domes, alphas are still stock. (Not my board, found on Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/))
Thanks!
Post by: Lansky on Sun, 26 November 2017, 06:05:29
Only mods have the Redux BKE Heavy Domes, alphas are still stock. (Not my board, found on Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fhs5c/as_requested_hhkb_with_bke_heavy_domes_sound/))
Thank you!
Post by: Koatl on Sun, 26 November 2017, 19:17:44
Swapping did take a bit of time, but it was fun and easy and I had no problems.
Thanks Jchan!
Post by: clappingcactus on Sun, 26 November 2017, 23:32:18
Installed heavy domes on Plum87 with Silence-x rings. I'm in love. I suspect I won't be using the set of light domes I purchased.
Swapping did take a bit of time, but it was fun and easy and I had no problems.
Thanks Jchan!
Any chance you could compare Plum87 with BKE vs real Topre boards with BKE? It would be interesting to know if this is sufficient to turn Plum keyboards 'real'.
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Mon, 27 November 2017, 15:07:00
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 27 November 2017, 20:22:02
Post by: Koatl on Tue, 28 November 2017, 01:30:21
Any chance you could compare Plum87 with BKE vs real Topre boards with BKE? It would be interesting to know if this is sufficient to turn Plum keyboards 'real'.
I'll let you know. I have a Type Heaven I'll be adding the lighter domes to (that one is for work) and a Realforce RGB I'll be adding more heavy domes to. I don't know if people consider the Realforce RGB "real" or not.
I might pick up a 91u for comparison purposes, and to have a full JIS board. If I can find one haha.
Anyone CONUS interested in trading your bag of 110 heavy domes for my bag of 110 light domes? Mine is unopened. I'll cover our shipping costs.
Post by: Ouster on Tue, 28 November 2017, 03:23:06
As a Realforce RGB owner I consider it "realer" than a Type Heaven :P. Realforce has better build quality and the RGB looks and feels great, just have to replace the stock keycaps. I really love the minimal case. It feels different from my Hi-Pro and HHKB but both of those feel different from each other as well. The RGB to me feels like a lighter tactile bump, easier compression, and a smoother bottom out than my other Topre. I will also be putting the BKE redux domes on it so I am interested to see how much it changes the feels.Any chance you could compare Plum87 with BKE vs real Topre boards with BKE? It would be interesting to know if this is sufficient to turn Plum keyboards 'real'.
I'll let you know. I have a Type Heaven I'll be adding the lighter domes to (that one is for work) and a Realforce RGB I'll be adding more heavy domes to. I don't know if people consider the Realforce RGB "real" or not.
I might pick up a 91u for comparison purposes, and to have a full JIS board. If I can find one haha.
Anyone CONUS interested in trading your bag of 110 heavy domes for my bag of 110 light domes? Mine is unopened. I'll cover our shipping costs.
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Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 28 November 2017, 08:52:50
Post by: christianstrang on Tue, 28 November 2017, 09:09:04
Any theories on if the 60g domes would be impacted by something like the new Norbauer Alu Case?
I have the lights and the heavies installed on my Norbauer Case, works like a charm and the installation was quite easy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7fzjh9/photos_bke_redux_norbatouch_with_mito_canvas/
@jchan94: About the springs, any way to get notified once they are ready?
Post by: totallycaked on Tue, 28 November 2017, 14:53:29
I'm so eager to get these installed... HURRY UP JTK TOXIC!
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 29 November 2017, 06:16:45
It truly brings me joy since 99% of the things I've been hearing from people is positive, and I've been needing some of that recently.
In any case, we're currently working on finalizing the spring replacement project.
We've created the production samples, and are currently waiting to receive these, test them out, and everything before we go to bulk production.
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A few things I want to note about the springs is that:
1. They will probably be expensive, and sold in packs of 5 or 10.
Why? Sorting them into individual units is extremely expensive, and we're making an extremely low production run of them. Maybe about 20,000 units.
2. The spacebar springs will probably be sold in individual units however.
Why? Because I don't think many need it. However, only about 1000 will be made, and they will probably be expensive because of the low-unit run.
To clarify: 1000 springs is an extremely low unit run, and our manufacturer has been quoting us for 100k unit MoQ.
3. We're most likely to release any of this end of December, or in January, as Q4 is closing soon since the Holidays are around.
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Also, we're running low on 110 heavy domes, but we're likely to update that number to 125 unit (and just using the 25 unit stock bags) to make up for the lack of stock. The price won't change if and once we run out of 110 heavy domes.
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I hope that answers everyone's questions and concerns!
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 29 November 2017, 06:35:33
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Post by: metalliccharles on Wed, 29 November 2017, 09:46:44
Post by: oliver_higgenbottom on Wed, 29 November 2017, 10:00:15
Are the springs just stock replacements? They look to have a yellowish/copper tint to them?
My realforce 55g came with copper looking springs, my novatouch and hhkb has silver ones. I don’t really think it effects anything and they are interchangeable. That’s mostly just a guess.
Post by: drevyek on Wed, 29 November 2017, 10:24:04
Are the springs just stock replacements? They look to have a yellowish/copper tint to them?Might just be the lighting. They could have some manner of coating, though.
Post by: robbles on Wed, 29 November 2017, 11:22:20
The sound is also altered on the upstroke especially. The slider hits the top with much more force than before, replacing the trademark thock sound with more of a clack. This will be resolved when I put the hyperspheres back in though. Still sounds better than any Cherry board I've used. Overall these are a nice alternative to stock domes! Thanks for the pin and the smooth process Jchan!
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 29 November 2017, 13:29:22
Typing on an HHKB full of light domes right now. This thing is SNAPPY. I took out the hypersphere silence rings just to try out these things at peak tactility. I will probably put them back in at a later date because the snappiness does get fatiguing after a while. I left one ring on the right alt for comparison and it slightly reduces the harshness. Not sure how you heavy handed folks deal with the heavies.
The sound is also altered on the upstroke especially. The slider hits the top with much more force than before, replacing the trademark thock sound with more of a clack. This will be resolved when I put the hyperspheres back in though. Still sounds better than any Cherry board I've used. Overall these are a nice alternative to stock domes! Thanks for the pin and the smooth process Jchan!
I noticed the clack from the typing demo in this thread. That is strange to hear out of a HHKB. Would you say you prefer the new domes or are they just a nice alternative?
For example, I really like Gateron Greens, but there is no way I could type on them all day long. I would consider them to be nice switches, and something I would use occasionally, but not superior to something like a Buckling Spring or Gateron Blacks.
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 29 November 2017, 14:41:24
Are the springs just stock replacements? They look to have a yellowish/copper tint to them?
Yes. They are regular replacement springs. A lot of people have told me that they lost the springs.
The hhkb springs are this color as well. I believe the rf is the same, but I think the NT ones are silver?
Well, color doesn't matter too much honestly.
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A lot of people are recommending silencing rings to make it more quiet on the up stroke. I'm wondering if there's an alternative to this and maybe if there could be something developed that could make it more quiet.
Anyways, open to suggestions!
Thanks for the reviews and feedback.
Post by: robbles on Wed, 29 November 2017, 15:07:24
Typing on an HHKB full of light domes right now. This thing is SNAPPY. I took out the hypersphere silence rings just to try out these things at peak tactility. I will probably put them back in at a later date because the snappiness does get fatiguing after a while. I left one ring on the right alt for comparison and it slightly reduces the harshness. Not sure how you heavy handed folks deal with the heavies.
The sound is also altered on the upstroke especially. The slider hits the top with much more force than before, replacing the trademark thock sound with more of a clack. This will be resolved when I put the hyperspheres back in though. Still sounds better than any Cherry board I've used. Overall these are a nice alternative to stock domes! Thanks for the pin and the smooth process Jchan!
I noticed the clack from the typing demo in this thread. That is strange to hear out of a HHKB. Would you say you prefer the new domes or are they just a nice alternative?
For example, I really like Gateron Greens, but there is no way I could type on them all day long. I would consider them to be nice switches, and something I would use occasionally, but not superior to something like a Buckling Spring or Gateron Blacks.
I'm gonna try the domes with no silencing rings for a couple weeks and report back, its too early to say if I prefer them over stock domes. For reference, I'm a web developer and type all day. First impressions though, they definitely make my HHKB feel fun again. I could see people who have always felt Topre was too light really enjoying these, or anyone trying to breathe some new life into an HHKB. It really is like a marriage of Topre and buckling springs.
Post by: Burt Macklin on Wed, 29 November 2017, 17:52:02
Props to jchan, can't wait for them to arrive :thumb:
Post by: tragedyfoundus on Wed, 29 November 2017, 22:31:57
Congrats to me on my first GeekHack post, woo. Here's to many more. ;D
Post by: Hyde on Sat, 02 December 2017, 17:49:12
Typing on an HHKB full of light domes right now. This thing is SNAPPY. I took out the hypersphere silence rings just to try out these things at peak tactility. I will probably put them back in at a later date because the snappiness does get fatiguing after a while. I left one ring on the right alt for comparison and it slightly reduces the harshness. Not sure how you heavy handed folks deal with the heavies.
The sound is also altered on the upstroke especially. The slider hits the top with much more force than before, replacing the trademark thock sound with more of a clack. This will be resolved when I put the hyperspheres back in though. Still sounds better than any Cherry board I've used. Overall these are a nice alternative to stock domes! Thanks for the pin and the smooth process Jchan!
I noticed the clack from the typing demo in this thread. That is strange to hear out of a HHKB. Would you say you prefer the new domes or are they just a nice alternative?
For example, I really like Gateron Greens, but there is no way I could type on them all day long. I would consider them to be nice switches, and something I would use occasionally, but not superior to something like a Buckling Spring or Gateron Blacks.
I'm gonna try the domes with no silencing rings for a couple weeks and report back, its too early to say if I prefer them over stock domes. For reference, I'm a web developer and type all day. First impressions though, they definitely make my HHKB feel fun again. I could see people who have always felt Topre was too light really enjoying these, or anyone trying to breathe some new life into an HHKB. It really is like a marriage of Topre and buckling springs.
Yes definitely let us know later, I'm also on the fence about ordering these and I already have the hypersphere rings from before.
However I'm more of a light typist (I use 45g Topre and MX Brown regularly) so I'm also worrying about the fatiguing. But if the hypersphere rings can fix the issue then maybe I could pull the trigger.
Please keep us updated, thank you!
Post by: HotRoderX on Sun, 03 December 2017, 00:23:37
Are the springs just stock replacements? They look to have a yellowish/copper tint to them?
Yes. They are regular replacement springs. A lot of people have told me that they lost the springs.
The hhkb springs are this color as well. I believe the rf is the same, but I think the NT ones are silver?
Well, color doesn't matter too much honestly.
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A lot of people are recommending silencing rings to make it more quiet on the up stroke. I'm wondering if there's an alternative to this and maybe if there could be something developed that could make it more quiet.
Anyways, open to suggestions!
Thanks for the reviews and feedback.
Taking a typical slider from what seen they have wings.. why not add a absorbing material to those wings? I would assume that increasing the surface area of the absorbing material would increase its ability to silence the impact.
Post by: marre259 on Sun, 03 December 2017, 11:26:41
Are the springs just stock replacements? They look to have a yellowish/copper tint to them?
Yes. They are regular replacement springs. A lot of people have told me that they lost the springs.
The hhkb springs are this color as well. I believe the rf is the same, but I think the NT ones are silver?
Well, color doesn't matter too much honestly.
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A lot of people are recommending silencing rings to make it more quiet on the up stroke. I'm wondering if there's an alternative to this and maybe if there could be something developed that could make it more quiet.
Anyways, open to suggestions!
Thanks for the reviews and feedback.
For silencing you can do what gateron are doing with their silenced switches -- putting dampeners on the top and bottom of the legs. Although in order to not sacrifice stability you'd need to dampen the entire top part of the slider. I would assume that this would be much more difficult to manufacture than sliders and silencing rings individually.
I am in favor of built-in dampers mainly because you can dampen the switch without decreasing travel distance as you do with adding silencing rings.
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 03 December 2017, 14:28:56
Post by: Lansky on Sun, 03 December 2017, 14:37:19
One project I think would be worthwhile is simply trying to perfect the topre-mx sliders. The currently existing ones work, but they have issues such as wobble and inconsistency from slider to slider (also seem to be too loose for some keycaps). It'd also be nice to see topre-mx spacebar stabilizers made since those were skipped over.
I was thinking the exact same thing the other day. The issues you mentioned are the exact reason why I'm still hesitant to buy the JTK/KBDfans sliders. I'm still kind of surprised that we have yet to see any real high quality samples. I wonder if they're hard to manufacture considering that the tolerances would have to be pretty much spot on in order to prevent any wobble etc. and make them on par with the stock Topre sliders.
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 03 December 2017, 22:51:58
One project I think would be worthwhile is simply trying to perfect the topre-mx sliders. The currently existing ones work, but they have issues such as wobble and inconsistency from slider to slider (also seem to be too loose for some keycaps). It'd also be nice to see topre-mx spacebar stabilizers made since those were skipped over.
I was thinking the exact same thing the other day. The issues you mentioned are the exact reason why I'm still hesitant to buy the JTK/KBDfans sliders. I'm still kind of surprised that we have yet to see any real high quality samples. I wonder if they're hard to manufacture considering that the tolerances would have to be pretty much spot on in order to prevent any wobble etc. and make them on par with the stock Topre sliders.
The kbdfans are made by Jtk. Just an FYI! The molding looks identical from their photos.
These are interesting ideas and I'll definitely investigate them.
Post by: Wetherbee on Sun, 03 December 2017, 23:04:41
These are interesting ideas and I'll definitely investigate them.
The problem with the JTK sliders (aka kbdfans Adapter-X) is primarily that the Chinese are ignoring the tolerances of the original designs:
https://rix.li/topre-to-cherry-mx-adapter/
Note carefully that the JTK sliders have square corners on the 2u sliders, and this design shows the better and more compatible rounded corners (after what I can only assume was extensive testing). Also, this design has a nice design for spacebar stabilizers which I have not seen on the market at all.
The weird part is that the original design files are open source so it makes no sense why they would cut corners like this (or, in the case of this bad pun, "not cut corners.")
I assume also that the original design has a proper height and width tolerances to a) reduce wobble and b) ensure compatibility with GMK, SA, DSA, OEM, etc. Reports are that the novatouch sliders are too short and the JTK sliders are tall enough but are too skinny, thus more wobbly on the 1u sliders.
If you can solve that I'd pay a premium for better made sliders. JTK and Novatouch are close but no cigar.
Here's a review that explains some of the issues: https://imgur.com/a/CBmWX#RQmRf4o
I should also note that even though you can replace the sliders with JTK sliders, you still need to drill the 2u housings for compatibility with SA keysets because of the extra stems on the left and right side of the cap will slam into the housing. Novatouch got around this problem by modifying their stem housings to add holes on either side of the stem so the extra keycap stems can just poke through.
Don't get me started on spacebar compatibility issues.
Post by: Wetherbee on Sun, 03 December 2017, 23:24:57
The current JTK sliders are reportedly made of POM. This is the ideal material (when using plastic) due to low wear and low coefficient of friction. Not sure about sound attenuation though.
According to this thread the housings, unfortunately, are made of ABS: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=26646.0
ABS is not as durable and is not as good at handling friction which is likely why the switches come lubed from the factory.
It would be nice to have replacement housings in POM as well, or go completely nuts and do replacement sliders + housings in a whole new material like metal alloy with a lower coefficient of friction and lower wear rate.
Post by: sodiumjoe on Tue, 05 December 2017, 00:05:01
That said, even the light ones are a bit on the heavy side, I hope there will be an even lighter version in the works at some point.
Post by: lunr on Tue, 05 December 2017, 16:59:05
Post by: robbles on Tue, 05 December 2017, 18:01:54
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 05 December 2017, 18:29:37
Just wondering if anyone not get a topre pin in their order? I didn't get one unfortunately :(
You would've only gotten a pin if you ordered during that weekend (Friday - Sunday).
If you didn't receive one, email support@keyclack.com with your order information.
Post by: lunr on Tue, 05 December 2017, 18:49:19
Anyways not a big deal. I am hoping you will make a even more lighter version.
Just wondering if anyone not get a topre pin in their order? I didn't get one unfortunately :(
You would've only gotten a pin if you ordered during that weekend (Friday - Sunday).
If you didn't receive one, email support@keyclack.com with your order information.
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 05 December 2017, 19:01:31
Well I'm in Canada so there was the whole international shipping thing. I emailed on the 11th for a quote where as the same day, the reddit post you made on r/mechmarket said all BKE orders will receive a pin. I waited till the 13th (Never got a reply back) when I received the email regarding about the USPS first class rate was added into your system which I ordered on the same day. Sooo, some what scratching my head.
Anyways not a big deal. I am hoping you will make a even more lighter version.Just wondering if anyone not get a topre pin in their order? I didn't get one unfortunately :(
You would've only gotten a pin if you ordered during that weekend (Friday - Sunday).
If you didn't receive one, email support@keyclack.com with your order information.
We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.
Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy
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I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
Post by: lunr on Tue, 05 December 2017, 22:00:30
Well I'm in Canada so there was the whole international shipping thing. I emailed on the 11th for a quote where as the same day, the reddit post you made on r/mechmarket said all BKE orders will receive a pin. I waited till the 13th (Never got a reply back) when I received the email regarding about the USPS first class rate was added into your system which I ordered on the same day. Sooo, some what scratching my head.
Anyways not a big deal. I am hoping you will make a even more lighter version.Just wondering if anyone not get a topre pin in their order? I didn't get one unfortunately :(
You would've only gotten a pin if you ordered during that weekend (Friday - Sunday).
If you didn't receive one, email support@keyclack.com with your order information.
We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.
Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy
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I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
Post by: sodiumjoe on Tue, 05 December 2017, 22:57:29
fantastic news, super stoked, thanks jchan!Well I'm in Canada so there was the whole international shipping thing. I emailed on the 11th for a quote where as the same day, the reddit post you made on r/mechmarket said all BKE orders will receive a pin. I waited till the 13th (Never got a reply back) when I received the email regarding about the USPS first class rate was added into your system which I ordered on the same day. Sooo, some what scratching my head.
Anyways not a big deal. I am hoping you will make a even more lighter version.Just wondering if anyone not get a topre pin in their order? I didn't get one unfortunately :(
You would've only gotten a pin if you ordered during that weekend (Friday - Sunday).
If you didn't receive one, email support@keyclack.com with your order information.
We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.
Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy
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I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 06 December 2017, 00:38:27
Thanks.
Post by: Hyde on Wed, 06 December 2017, 21:48:18
Anyone knows why my Caps-lock LED doesn't light up anymore after a dome swap? I did cut out a corner of the Caps-lock dome for the light to shine through.
Thanks.
Hmmmmm I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work.
Did the switch itself work? For example when you turn caps lock on does it actually type capital letters? Also did you flip the dip switch to swap caps lock with ctrl?
Post by: Erikdayo on Thu, 07 December 2017, 12:31:09
I am very interested in super light. Thanks for working on more options! I really love the current 'light' option but a version that's a little lighter would be very nice to have too
We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.
Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy
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I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
Post by: Hyde on Thu, 07 December 2017, 13:07:18
I am very interested in super light. Thanks for working on more options! I really love the current 'light' option but a version that's a little lighter would be very nice to have too
We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.
Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy
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I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
How heavy would you say is the current "light" version? Since people say it's heavier than Topre 45g so realistically would you say it's closer to MX Black kind of weight?
Post by: robbles on Thu, 07 December 2017, 15:08:29
I am very interested in super light. Thanks for working on more options! I really love the current 'light' option but a version that's a little lighter would be very nice to have too
We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.
Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy
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I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
How heavy would you say is the current "light" version? Since people say it's heavier than Topre 45g so realistically would you say it's closer to MX Black kind of weight?
After typing on the light version for over a week straight now, I hopped on to a board with MX Clears to compare. The light domes make Clears feel super light in comparison. They make Clears feel near linear. Hopefully that gives ya'll some perspective. I can't even imagine what the heavy version feels like.
Post by: metalliccharles on Thu, 07 December 2017, 16:50:45
Edit: Wanted to add, I ordered a vibration absorption mat because there's a good deal of vibration created from the upstroke of the spacebar with the heavy.
Post by: clickityClackity on Thu, 07 December 2017, 21:11:19
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/b5c5cd912950f76dc198e271e0dbf840.jpg)
They are WAY too freaking heavy for stock keycaps so I switched back to my Hi-pro caps and while it's still on the heavy side it feels amazing.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/95986bbf9142192ebad811a64a126d75.jpg)
I'm definitely a fan! The tactile feel is great - a nice solid tactile bump which goes perfectly with the Hi-pro's. They also add a little extra thock, which sounds great!
All things considered, they are amazing for typing with hi-pro's, but without them I'd be fatigued in a couple minutes. I also wouldn't recommend them for gaming ever, unless you play your game of choice by slamming the keys with your fists... If that is how you play, then these will probably work great for you!
Post by: jchan94 on Thu, 07 December 2017, 21:16:58
Been on all Heavy Domes for over a week now, and since it seems not many people are using them I thought I'd share my experience.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/b5c5cd912950f76dc198e271e0dbf840.jpg)
They are WAY too freaking heavy for stock keycaps so I switched back to my Hi-pro caps and while it's still on the heavy side it feels amazing.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/95986bbf9142192ebad811a64a126d75.jpg)
I'm definitely a fan! The tactile feel is great - a nice solid tactile bump which goes perfectly with the Hi-pro's. They also add a little extra thock, which sounds great!
All things considered, they are amazing for typing with hi-pro's, but without them I'd be fatigued in a couple minutes. I also wouldn't recommend them for gaming ever, unless you play your game of choice by slamming the keys with your fists... If that is how you play, then these will probably work great for you!
It looks like your spacebar is oriented the wrong way. :) but thanks for the review. Glad you enjoy them
Post by: clickityClackity on Fri, 08 December 2017, 14:17:48
Yes, it was aligned incorrectly and ruined all of my awesome artsy pictures unfortunately. :(Been on all Heavy Domes for over a week now, and since it seems not many people are using them I thought I'd share my experience.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/b5c5cd912950f76dc198e271e0dbf840.jpg)
They are WAY too freaking heavy for stock keycaps so I switched back to my Hi-pro caps and while it's still on the heavy side it feels amazing.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171208/95986bbf9142192ebad811a64a126d75.jpg)
I'm definitely a fan! The tactile feel is great - a nice solid tactile bump which goes perfectly with the Hi-pro's. They also add a little extra thock, which sounds great!
All things considered, they are amazing for typing with hi-pro's, but without them I'd be fatigued in a couple minutes. I also wouldn't recommend them for gaming ever, unless you play your game of choice by slamming the keys with your fists... If that is how you play, then these will probably work great for you!
It looks like your spacebar is oriented the wrong way. :) but thanks for the review. Glad you enjoy them
Post by: Koatl on Sun, 10 December 2017, 00:26:17
Anyway, I'm loving these heavy domes a lot. Glad I got so many of them. Thanks for your work jchan!
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 10 December 2017, 01:39:16
Installation was actually a bit faster than I expected, tolerances on these are good and I didn't have any issues getting them all to line up next to each other/with the alignment notches like I thought may happen. Only thing I noticed was that a few of them had a little bit of thin excess material in one of the notches on the sides, but it'd always pull off easily.
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 10 December 2017, 15:17:13
Finally got around to installing my domes (light version), ultimately decided to put them in my HHKB. I had stopped using it a while ago in favor of my Novatouch since the domes seemed to have become mushier/less tactile than my other topre boards (I suppose from overuse? Same thing happened with my 104U at work). But these domes have definitely restored its status as my main board, though now I'm wondering if I should try some of the heavies in it (have one in the spacebar, but can't really extrapolate that to typing on an entire board of them).
Installation was actually a bit faster than I expected, tolerances on these are good and I didn't have any issues getting them all to line up next to each other/with the alignment notches like I thought may happen. Only thing I noticed was that a few of them had a little bit of thin excess material in one of the notches on the sides, but it'd always pull off easily.
If you're interested in getting more domes, I'd hold off til our January stock. We have 3 new weights coming in.
Post by: the pokemon kid on Sun, 10 December 2017, 16:55:53
I have just spent the last four and a half hours streaming me installing these domes into my Novatouch! What can I say... These things are truely amazing. The tactility is doubled if not tripled compared to the originals and I have lubed the sliders! What I have always wanted! The only issue which I had was getting the springs to be seated right. I had to take the board apart a couple of times because keys werent working. However this is down to me being cack handed.
I made a short video from some clips from the build stream. It is in four parts (Stock Novatouch, Novatouch in Norbauer Case, Novatouch with BKE domes in original case and finally Novatouch in a Norbauer case with BKE Domes). I used heavy domes and they are dreamy!
Post by: DaBubbs on Sun, 10 December 2017, 19:15:28
Sorry if I missed it in an earlier posting but what are the new weights?Finally got around to installing my domes (light version), ultimately decided to put them in my HHKB. I had stopped using it a while ago in favor of my Novatouch since the domes seemed to have become mushier/less tactile than my other topre boards (I suppose from overuse? Same thing happened with my 104U at work). But these domes have definitely restored its status as my main board, though now I'm wondering if I should try some of the heavies in it (have one in the spacebar, but can't really extrapolate that to typing on an entire board of them).
Installation was actually a bit faster than I expected, tolerances on these are good and I didn't have any issues getting them all to line up next to each other/with the alignment notches like I thought may happen. Only thing I noticed was that a few of them had a little bit of thin excess material in one of the notches on the sides, but it'd always pull off easily.
If you're interested in getting more domes, I'd hold off til our January stock. We have 3 new weights coming in.
Thanks!
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 10 December 2017, 20:15:35
Sorry if I missed it in an earlier posting but what are the new weights?Finally got around to installing my domes (light version), ultimately decided to put them in my HHKB. I had stopped using it a while ago in favor of my Novatouch since the domes seemed to have become mushier/less tactile than my other topre boards (I suppose from overuse? Same thing happened with my 104U at work). But these domes have definitely restored its status as my main board, though now I'm wondering if I should try some of the heavies in it (have one in the spacebar, but can't really extrapolate that to typing on an entire board of them).
Installation was actually a bit faster than I expected, tolerances on these are good and I didn't have any issues getting them all to line up next to each other/with the alignment notches like I thought may happen. Only thing I noticed was that a few of them had a little bit of thin excess material in one of the notches on the sides, but it'd always pull off easily.
If you're interested in getting more domes, I'd hold off til our January stock. We have 3 new weights coming in.
Thanks!
extra light, medium, and i don't remember what the last one is
Post by: Koatl on Mon, 11 December 2017, 10:22:48
Post by: child on Mon, 11 December 2017, 14:24:26
However, there is one thing that is puzzling me - I hear some noise at the point of releasing after bottoming out. It isn't loud, but very annoying - it does happen both with light and heavy BKEs, but not with original domes. It happens even if I release the key just about 1mm and do it very slowly. It sounds as if a spring was moving, but I paid special attention to align them properly. Any ideas on how I could fix this?
Post by: DaBubbs on Mon, 11 December 2017, 21:03:51
Gotcha... thanks :thumb:Sorry if I missed it in an earlier posting but what are the new weights?Finally got around to installing my domes (light version), ultimately decided to put them in my HHKB. I had stopped using it a while ago in favor of my Novatouch since the domes seemed to have become mushier/less tactile than my other topre boards (I suppose from overuse? Same thing happened with my 104U at work). But these domes have definitely restored its status as my main board, though now I'm wondering if I should try some of the heavies in it (have one in the spacebar, but can't really extrapolate that to typing on an entire board of them).
Installation was actually a bit faster than I expected, tolerances on these are good and I didn't have any issues getting them all to line up next to each other/with the alignment notches like I thought may happen. Only thing I noticed was that a few of them had a little bit of thin excess material in one of the notches on the sides, but it'd always pull off easily.
If you're interested in getting more domes, I'd hold off til our January stock. We have 3 new weights coming in.
Thanks!
extra light, medium, and i don't remember what the last one is
I think I will get a sample pack when the new ones come out. I absolutely love my 55g RF 87u but I am not sure 1) how I would like the extra tactility and 2) how I would like a 60g or a 65g.
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 12 December 2017, 03:14:46
Super Light (lighter than the current light)
Medium (in between light and heavy)
Extreme (limited, due to unknown demand, but can come back).
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For those wondering, yes, we'll have sample packs specifically for these, and with the feedback I heard about samples, I'll also be dividing the sample packs into their individual packages as well (units of 5 still), and a bundle of the new ones for a discounted bundle price.
So now I'm wondering how heavy people want the extreme.
Currently, the heavy is rated at around 60g, and I was thinking that we should get something around 80g rating or so. But I fear keycaps will start flying off.
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Lastly, we'll be taking out the 25 unit option, due to not much interest in it :)
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 12 December 2017, 03:17:54
just due to the popularity of 78g springs for MX
Post by: jnav on Tue, 12 December 2017, 13:13:31
Post by: the pokemon kid on Tue, 12 December 2017, 17:24:11
i bet 65g or 70g would be popular
just due to the popularity of 78g springs for MX
I am usually using either 85cN switches or 72g switches and the heavy topre domes are more fatiguing than those.
Post by: salvanipour on Sun, 17 December 2017, 23:10:48
i bet 65g or 70g would be popular
just due to the popularity of 78g springs for MX
I am usually using either 85cN switches or 72g switches and the heavy topre domes are more fatiguing than those.
100%. I’ve typed on heavy Zealios and they’re nothing compared to these heavies. I think 60g is conservative and the force required is up there with buckling springs.
Post by: AdrianMan on Mon, 18 December 2017, 09:31:11
Post by: Rumblehotep on Mon, 18 December 2017, 19:45:57
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?
Post by: Ouster on Tue, 19 December 2017, 08:14:28
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?I think as always it comes down to personal preference. I love the light BKE domes in my HHKB but they feel even better on my Hi-Pro. I've kept the stock domes in my Realforce RGB and they don't feel "worse" just different than the BKE domes, the stock Topre domes now feel very light and smooth where the BKE are absurdly tactile and fun.
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?
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Post by: kmba on Tue, 19 December 2017, 08:51:56
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?
anything with standard 55g domes.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 22 December 2017, 23:05:44
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?
55g is still vast preference, but BKE heavy has certainly become a cult favorite
Post by: Hyde on Sat, 23 December 2017, 13:10:09
Has there been any sort of consensus on what's new King of Topre Hill with these new domes?
Realforce with Heavy? HHKB with light?
55g is still vast preference, but BKE heavy has certainly become a cult favorite
I still find 55g too heavy, hopefully the new BKE super light will be a good replacement for 45g domes.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 29 December 2017, 12:12:03
Post by: Hyde on Sun, 31 December 2017, 17:18:06
Couldn’t decide if I wanted to mess with my stock 55g RF board so i did what any sane person would do... I bought another 87u and some light domes. Brilliant, right?
LOL just like what a true geekhacker would do. Personally I'm waiting on the extra light domes before I jump on the mod wagon.
Normally I use 45g and that's my comfort weight. :thumb:
Post by: dyrdevil on Fri, 05 January 2018, 23:59:50
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 06 January 2018, 10:30:30
Damn, it looks like the ultralight samples are sold out! How did I miss it?? Are you planning on stocking more??
they haven't come in stock yet
Post by: dyrdevil on Sun, 07 January 2018, 06:46:54
Damn, it looks like the ultralight samples are sold out! How did I miss it?? Are you planning on stocking more??
they haven't come in stock yet
That is great to hear!
Post by: Fadamaque on Tue, 09 January 2018, 05:03:29
Post by: tragedyfoundus on Tue, 09 January 2018, 09:45:22
Post by: graefeln on Tue, 09 January 2018, 10:31:18
Yeah, I missed out on the Extreme variant. All sold out. :( I hope you guys restock them, I'm dying to test them!
They haven't been stocked yet. I am thinking they are just preparing the page for when they do... he posted pictures of them on Instagram recently.
Post by: tragedyfoundus on Tue, 09 January 2018, 11:05:27
Post by: sodiumjoe on Wed, 17 January 2018, 13:20:18
Post by: graefeln on Wed, 17 January 2018, 13:40:33
Any news on when the Ultra Lights will go live?
Tomorrow at 1900 PST.
Post by: t4n6 on Thu, 18 January 2018, 13:37:31
I wanted to put some of the extreme ones into any modifiers that were 2u or larger, especially since I have an artisan spacebar that's a quite a bit heavier than a standard spacebar.
Post by: Rumblehotep on Thu, 18 January 2018, 21:13:49
Is the ultra-light & extreme sampler going to be made available later today as well? And if so, how many of each dome will be included?Looks like 5 of each for $7
I wanted to put some of the extreme ones into any modifiers that were 2u or larger, especially since I have an artisan spacebar that's a quite a bit heavier than a standard spacebar.
Post by: Erikdayo on Fri, 19 January 2018, 05:47:15
Post by: Fadamaque on Fri, 19 January 2018, 06:07:56
Edit: English is tough...
Post by: atectatifern on Sat, 20 January 2018, 14:33:53
Post by: Lepidus on Sat, 20 January 2018, 15:29:09
We are working on a lighter version (lighter than the current Light), and a "medium" weight, in between the current Light and Heavy, so I believe we'll have a total of 4 weights available.
Super Light - Light - Medium - Heavy
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I've already requested some samples, but I think we'll see them early 2018.
Are Medium domes still happening? Since Extreme and Super Light are already on the shop, and nothing about the Medium variant was mentioned since this post, was it cancelled? I'm not really sure if I want Light or Heavy.
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 25 January 2018, 15:46:37
You see, I cannot really troubleshoot it b/c every time I open it up, everything gets displaced. I cannot see how things were when it was not working. So, I try my best to line everything up again. This time I think I only have 1 sticky key. Unfortunately it is Escape. The key only sticks if you press it firmly. Normal typing will not cause keys to stick.
Any ideas what causing the sticking?
Post by: Erikdayo on Thu, 25 January 2018, 15:54:29
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 25 January 2018, 15:59:26
How does everything get displaced when you open it? Are you not keeping the top part of the case upside down for some reason?
yes, but some of the domes stick to the PCB when I pull it off. (probably 1/4 of them)
Post by: Erikdayo on Thu, 25 January 2018, 18:39:00
Edit: That said. I didn't experience any issues. Didn't with the first dome swap either. Make sure the part with the keycaps and sliders is upside down and raised up so that the keycaps/sliders won't move at all. Are you making sure everything is perfectly lined up and all the springs are secure inside the domes before placing the PCB over it? Along with making sure you've already lined up the PCB with screw holes before you place it over the domes.
After that I put all the screws in gently starting from the center and didn't crank them down. Then I turn them all a little tighter. And then a little tighter once more. This is while ensuring I'm pretty gentle. I'd hate to screw something in too tightly and damage the PCB. I'm not sure I'm doing everything optimally, but I am doing it well enough that I haven't had any issues with either dome swap.
If you have any more questions and ideas about what you might be doing differently feel free to share. Good luck!
Post by: Hyde on Fri, 26 January 2018, 10:29:52
Also on top of it if you hypersphere rings it have higher chance of things screw up because the BKE domes are actually a tiny bit taller than the stock Topre domes, so Topre domes had more room for you to shove things in. BKE domes were kind of exact height as is and shoving more things might compress it too much.
Though I don't know if KBDFan rings would work or not since those are thinner. But I'm not too sure if that's your case since you didn't mention anything about silencing.
Back then when I do the swap I had to make some kind of rig to prop up the keyboard so all of the sliders are fully extended and none are compressed.
Let us know how it goes and good luck! I also ordered ultra light so once I get them I'll let you guys know.
EDIT: Erikdayo would share your typing experience with the ultra light domes? :D
Post by: robbles on Fri, 26 January 2018, 10:41:17
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 26 January 2018, 13:43:45
In contrast, the ultralights have hardly any extra material around the cutouts. Also, since they are much thinner overall, the extra material that IS present doesn't seem to cause fitment issues.
My opinion of the lights vs the ultralights
My topre board is a Realforce 87u 55g uniform. Out of the box, it is nice but a bit stiff right at the top of the keypress. It's something that I easily got used to, but after being on MX boards and returning to it, I would always have a small readjustment period. I usually prefer a 60g - 68g MX switch (Favorites are Gateron black and Zeal 67).
I liked the sharp pop of the light domes, but they were just too fatiguing. I felt like they were making my finger tips numb after just a few paragraphs (not from pressing, but from the tactile vibration). It's a great idea, but not for me.
These ultralights feel better in weight to me. Something like a 62g Zealio but with slightly more tactile bump at the top. If you aren't familiar with that switch, keep in mind that 62g is the bottom out force, overall it is a light switch.
My only experience with a 45g Topre switch was a Novatouch and I sold it so I can't do a direct comparison. However, from what I recall, the ultralights are on par with the 45g uniform boards but with a more tactile experience. Also, quite a bit louder.
Post by: eksuen on Fri, 26 January 2018, 14:02:32
Thanks for the feedback, guys. I also ordered some ultralights so I swapped them in today. No sticky domes this time. I'm thinking it was related to the extra material on the edge of the domes as you mentioned. I had previously trimmed it on several of the light domes, but the extra rubber was present on about 50% of them, and I didn't get it all.
In contrast, the ultralights have hardly any extra material around the cutouts. Also, since they are much thinner overall, the extra material that IS present doesn't seem to cause fitment issues.
My opinion of the lights vs the ultralights
My topre board is a Realforce 87u 55g uniform. Out of the box, it is nice but a bit stiff right at the top of the keypress. It's something that I easily got used to, but after being on MX boards and returning to it, I would always have a small readjustment period. I usually prefer a 60g - 68g MX switch (Favorites are Gateron black and Zeal 67).
I liked the sharp pop of the light domes, but they were just too fatiguing. I felt like they were making my finger tips numb after just a few paragraphs (not from pressing, but from the tactile vibration). It's a great idea, but not for me.
These ultralights feel better in weight to me. Something like a 62g Zealio but with slightly more tactile bump at the top. If you aren't familiar with that switch, keep in mind that 62g is the bottom out force, overall it is a light switch.
My only experience with a 45g Topre switch was a Novatouch and I sold it so I can't do a direct comparison. However, from what I recall, the ultralights are on par with the 45g uniform boards but with a more tactile experience. Also, quite a bit louder.
Thanks for posting your impressions. I was hoping the Ultralights would be closer to 55g domes than the Lights. ~62g is probably just a tad too light for my taste. I guess I'll have to wait to try some at a meetup to know for sure.
Post by: Erikdayo on Fri, 26 January 2018, 15:05:34
Post by: Hyde on Fri, 26 January 2018, 15:27:53
Since my goal is to find replacement for my 45g domes so now I can't wait for their arrival! :D
Thanks guys!
Post by: sodiumjoe on Mon, 29 January 2018, 22:48:43
Post by: Lansky on Tue, 30 January 2018, 05:44:30
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Also on top of it if you hypersphere rings it have higher chance of things screw up because the BKE domes are actually a tiny bit taller than the stock Topre domes, so Topre domes had more room for you to shove things in. BKE domes were kind of exact height as is and shoving more things might compress it too much.
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I can confirm this. I had Hypersphere's installed when I was swapping in my BKE heavies and it was quite difficult to get the domes properly seated to avoid sticky keys. I did manage to get it them all seated correctly, but I had to take it apart like 6-7 times which was pretty frustrating. So for those who are planning on installing BKE domes on a board with Hyperspheres - be patient and keep calm. :D
Post by: Hyde on Wed, 31 January 2018, 11:05:36
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1. The purple is very pretty haha look at the pictures!!!
2. The middle dome is taller than stock Topre dome and the bottom sheet area is also a tiny bit thicker than Topre sheet.
3. The area where base of spring sits is a tiny bit smaller too, Topre dome have extra groove for the last coil of spring.
4. Topre dome have maybe a 1 mm padded middle and BKE is hollowed out.
5. Yes the weight is close to 45g Topre, although the force curve is different, Topre has a wider smoother bump while BKE has a sharper tactile bump then the force fall off quickly after it collapse. Topre retain the force a bit more after dome collapse.
6. BKE sounds more high pitched while Topre sound deeper.
7. Overall I think because I ordered BKE Ultra Light weight so I find the tactility while is more than 45g Topre but wasn't too drastically different, maybe that's why keyclack were pushing BKE Light as the main weight (though some find it fatiguing).
All things considered, it's a different experience.
I think for me this removes too much of things I loved about Topre (The smooth and deep Topre thock) so this is not for me.
But I can see why some people will love this and I still appreciate keyclack for bring this option into the Topre world. This will open up a lot of future modding opportunities.
Let me know if you guys have any questions.
:)
Post by: jchan94 on Sat, 03 February 2018, 18:02:27
I got the ultra light!!! Here are some quick facts for those that are on the fence of buying it.
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1. The purple is very pretty haha look at the pictures!!!
2. The middle dome is taller than stock Topre dome and the bottom sheet area is also a tiny bit thicker than Topre sheet.
3. The area where base of spring sits is a tiny bit smaller too, Topre dome have extra groove for the last coil of spring.
4. Topre dome have maybe a 1 mm padded middle and BKE is hollowed out.
5. Yes the weight is close to 45g Topre, although the force curve is different, Topre has a wider smoother bump while BKE has a sharper tactile bump then the force fall off quickly after it collapse. Topre retain the force a bit more after dome collapse.
6. BKE sounds more high pitched while Topre sound deeper.
7. Overall I think because I ordered BKE Ultra Light weight so I find the tactility while is more than 45g Topre but wasn't too drastically different, maybe that's why keyclack were pushing BKE Light as the main weight (though some find it fatiguing).
All things considered, it's a different experience.
I think for me this removes too much of things I loved about Topre (The smooth and deep Topre thock) so this is not for me.
But I can see why some people will love this and I still appreciate keyclack for bring this option into the Topre world. This will open up a lot of future modding opportunities.
Let me know if you guys have any questions.
:)
Glad you enjoy them. They're my current favorite on my FC660C
Post by: Erikdayo on Sat, 17 February 2018, 17:01:31
Post by: totallycaked on Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:03:57
Post by: Konjungamo on Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:25:17
Really happy with the dampeners. Installed mine last night. Using them with BKE Redux ultra lights. Both Shift keys, Enter, and Delete on my FC660C don't get dampened as well as the other keys, but it's still improved. Overall the keyboard sounds lot nicer and more quiet now. Seems like these dampeners didn't really affect the feel either. Still feels great.
Were those your first silencing rings or can you compare them to Silence-X or Hyperfuse rings?
Post by: Konjungamo on Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:27:06
The KBDFans silence-x rings are driving me nuts, they come up through the switch all the damn time and I have to shove them back in with a razor blade. I ordered some keyclack silencing rings and I'm eager to see if they fix this issue. It took so long to install those rings I'm not looking forward to doing it again...
What board are you using them on? I've heard that story of the rings coming up so many times now but haven't been affected by this at all so far…
Hope the keyclack rings fix this for you
Post by: kmba on Sun, 18 February 2018, 09:59:24
Post by: totallycaked on Sun, 18 February 2018, 13:25:24
The KBDFans silence-x rings are driving me nuts, they come up through the switch all the damn time and I have to shove them back in with a razor blade. I ordered some keyclack silencing rings and I'm eager to see if they fix this issue. It took so long to install those rings I'm not looking forward to doing it again...
What board are you using them on? I've heard that story of the rings coming up so many times now but haven't been affected by this at all so far…
Hope the keyclack rings fix this for you
I'm using a Novatouch. I've also only experienced this happening to specific keys, not across the board. My 'C' key is the worst, I think the ring got twisted somehow and won't reset itself on the slider. I probably notice this one the most because I use C all the time in video games and the slider getting stuck has killed me several times. There's only about 4 or 5 rings that are doing this, but I can't seem to fix them without disassembling the board.
Post by: dyrdevil on Mon, 19 February 2018, 01:31:23
Post by: Koatl on Sat, 17 March 2018, 02:44:56
If this is off topic, I apologize and request someone refer me to the proper thread. Couldn't find one.
Also, for sure on topic: I love these heavy domes so much. Oddly enough they feel by far the best on my Plum 87 with Tai Hao Miami. Not sure what it is, but it works. Feels better than on a Realforce 91u and Realforce RGB.
Post by: Lansky on Sat, 17 March 2018, 05:14:08
So the silencing rings are sold out, or just not available yet?
They're making a new version of the silencing rings. The first version had issues (too thin and could get stuck in the switch housing). The new ones will have an adhesive side and will be slightly thicker.
JChan said they'll be shipping out later in March.
Post by: Erikdayo on Mon, 19 March 2018, 07:54:30
Post by: Lansky on Mon, 19 March 2018, 10:39:25
I haven't had issues the silencers, but adhesive + slightly thicker does sound nice. Then again it's a lot of work to pop out all the sliders and put in new silencing rings. hmm.
The V2's will be sent out to all of those who previously purchased the V1's, free of charge.
Post by: elcubismo on Mon, 19 March 2018, 23:03:42
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Wed, 21 March 2018, 16:29:57
Has there been an update on when it's shipping? Been holding off on putting in the BKE Redux domes for my Novatouch, but I'm wondering if I should just use the hyperspheres I already have installed since I'm going to a meetup this Saturday.In my opinion it'd be a better idea to just hold off on taking it until you get everything in the mail. There's always the next meetup after all! ;)
Post by: Marcqtp on Tue, 22 May 2018, 16:30:33
I recently acquired my first Topre board, a beautiful RF/Topre RGB, a much needed upgrade from my ~5-6 year old Das Keyboard Pro 3 w/ MX Cherry Blues. The stock Topre domes that comes with the RGB are really smooth and provide a very pleasant typing experience with a lovely "thunk" sound to them, but for some reason I felt I was missing that tactile "click" I had previously with the MX blues. Although I was I was beginning to fall in love with Topre typing experience (& the damped but sweet sound), it still felt as if I was missing something. After playing around with the APC and realizing that it wouldn't be able to add that tactile feel with it, I decided to look elsewhere and stumbled on a suggestion to try dome swapping to the BKE Redux domes. I ordered two sample packs: BKE Redux Heavies & Light domes and decided to go with a Heavy 70 set (110 was sold-out still sadly as well as all silencing ring options) as I figured they would provide a more tactile experience - the lights are nice, just felt heavies may be better for me.
Feedback on BKE Heavy's on RF/Topre RGB: After receiving the domes going through the process of removing the board, manually cutting & fitting the domes to avoid the LEDs (more on that below), and putting the board back together... twice (few domes didn't sit 100% correctly after the first install), I got to experience the fruits of my labor... and man it definitely makes a huge change to the Topre experience. Firstly, the tactile click is very apparent with these in comparison to the stock domes in both the actual feeling of hitting the keys, as well as the sound from the board. I think this is an excellent improvement to the clicky-ness of the keys themselves as well as making them feel noticeably heavier when typing on them. While the sound they provide matches the feel they give you, they do alter the "thunk" a little with it being slightly overshadowed with the tactile 'click' sound. Secondly, the keys almost have a heavy 'stickyness' to them, making them a step up for heavy handed types such as myself over the stock domes... However, I am curious to see if lubing them would improve this slightly to make them have a smoother feel since the bump felt when pushing the keys down is very evident. Does anyone think this will reduce the tactility of them or should it provide the slightly smoother feel to these without ruining the main feature of them?
I do want to try the BKE Light domes as well, but I think I'm going to give a few more days of typing on the heavies to see how it goes. In my opinion, the heavier force on the keys & tactile feel the BKE Redux domes give the keys is perfect for typing in large amounts for long periods, as well as coding & general use. On the other hand, the BKE Redux lights & stock domes seem to have an advantage for gaming experiences since they are slightly easier to press & if quick one-taps are required, they definitely have a slight advantage over the heavies. (If only I could have two boards for each dome-feel). May update this thread over the next week or so to see if that changes since I've only been typing for a couple days on the heavies... may also commit to ordering the lights when they are back in stock.
The size-issue RGB board & BKE Redux domes: Now, this is the only thing I really didn't enjoy about my dome swapping experience. The BKE Redux domes themselves are slightly larger than the stock Topre domes found on the RF/Topre RGB board, which results in them having some real size issues when you account for the LEDs on the board itself, often resulting in dulling of the LEDs due to overlapping of the domes. I discovered this by placing the domes on the actual board to represent how they would sit under the switches, and it was clear a lot of the outside rubber would overlay on top of the LEDs for that key and usually overlap slightly on the LEDs for the keys below it. To combat this, I painstakingly had to individually cut, fit, and shaped the bottom of the rubber domes to prevent it from dulling the LEDs when the board was put back together. Not sure how hard this is on production's end, but would it be possible to have a secondary cut made to accommodate the LEDs without having to manually cut & fit each dome? While I love the feel of them, this definitely required a lot of extra time & effort to prevent the LED appearance from being altered and dramatically dulled.
I'll take the board apart soon and upload some pictures if people and/or KeyClack would like to see a bit more in detail as to what I am talking about. This isn't meant to be any hate, just offering some criticism & areas of improvements for perhaps the next edition of these. Speaking of, any chance we will be seeing restocks of the silencing rings etc soon? I've been monitoring the site often and haven't seen any restocks at all in recent weeks.
tl;dr Overall, I would highly recommend switching to BKE Redux domes if you're looking to give you a lot more of that tactile feel back to your Topre board without worrying too much about having a small increase in the clicky sound & slightly less of the "soft" thunk. Specific for the heavy domes, if you're a heavy handed typer these are definitely for you as they require much more force to bottom out versus touch typing on the redux light or stock domes. My only critiques/possible improvements would be making them a little more fitted, especially for the RGB board, since they do require you to physically cut the rubber on every single piece to completely avoid any overlap on the LEDs on the PCB. Also perhaps the ability to custom order by quantity each type of dome (albeit at a higher price similar to sample packs) to provide more customization for an individual's board (or try more than 5 domes at once before getting a full set).
Post by: Erikdayo on Fri, 29 June 2018, 14:37:50
Post by: the_marsbar on Fri, 06 July 2018, 01:28:19
Note that since I only installed one of each, it's not really possible to draw any conclusions about how the domes would feel if they were installed in the entire keyboard.
I tried installing an ultra light, a light, and a heavy dome in my HHKB, but there I only liked the ultra light dome. So in my opinion, the feel of the domes will also depend on the keyboard they're used in.
In terms of installation, it's very hard to get right in one try. It's easy for the keys to somehow stick if they are depressed completely. I imagine it'd be a nightmare to install ~ 100 of them in the same keyboard.
Post by: Koatl on Thu, 07 February 2019, 21:55:56