Double shot replacements ROUND THREE: Additional kits / Color

[7bit]

[AvroArrow]

So what exactly is in the Orange kit set for $10?  All 21 keys shown in your picture?  Somehow that sounds almost too cheap.

[db_Iodine]

Nordic kit   @ $14

Funny how I don't have any finnish keyboards at hand here. However that layout looks to be accurate.

[7bit]

So what exactly is in the Orange kit set for $10?  All 21 keys shown in your picture?  Somehow that sounds almost too cheap.

If there are 25 sets to be ordered, a full batch of 86 keys costs around $25.
These are maximum prices with some air in them to add additional keys to these sets. Once everything is settled and no more keys are added to sets, it will be the exact price SP takes for the exact amount plus some percentage for the key caps collators and shipping to them.

Funny how I don't have any finnish keyboards at hand here. However that layout looks to be accurate.

Be sure, Ekaros will check it out for us :-)

[Twitchy]

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Are we to ignore the positions of keys on this layout? Fire, forward, etc will have the wrong profile.

If you're proposing a full set as above, won't we need extra blanks to replace those keys with legends that we don't use?

[7bit]

Are we to ignore the positions of keys on this layout? Fire, forward, etc will have the wrong profile.

If you're proposing a full set as above, won't we need extra blanks to replace those keys with legends that we don't use?

Currently, this set includes only those keys for which there is that frame with rounded edges. All other positions are empty. There might be additional caps added.

FIRE is for IBM-122-key style cursor cross (think of G80-8200 or G80-2100 etc.)
Do you want cursor-keys for the numpad, so 5 becomes FIRE etc?

The FORW, BACK, etc. keys will fit the usual cursor-T, becuase bottom-row and ZXCVB-row are the same profile.

[Ekaros]

Nordic kit   @ $14

• covers AT/DE/FI/NO/SE

IMPORTANT:
If you want AT, DE or SE-layout, please vote for it in the main thread!
If you want FI or NO, please vote here, so I can see if one national layout sticks out and could be offered in a reduced (cheaper) version separately.

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Please notce that this covers Austria, Germany, Finland, Norway and Sweden.

Please tell me if you like it.

Don't hesitate to suggest changes.

Please be as specific as possible!

Thanks!

This one looks good. I don't see any errors.

[db_Iodine]

Be sure, Ekaros will check it out for us :-)

I was 99% sure just from my memory of Finnish layout. Good thing Ekaros confirmed I remembered correctly.

[Parak]

4 POS kits for me, barring any big problems with SP

[Naku]

So double shot replacements with Finnish layout option? Definitely want one... where do I sign :biggrin:

[7bit]

So double shot replacements with Finnish layout option? Definitely want one... where do I sign :biggrin:

It is the Nordic kit. Vote for FI kit in the poll.




Currently it is the same as DE, SE, NO etc. But if there are enough people from Finland, I will make a dedicated FI-layout which may could be cheaper that this nordic kit.

Seems to me there are more people from Finland interested in their national layout than Germans.

BTW: I will add the missing keys for Norwegian layout. I had forgotten them, and Ekaros, only being interested in FI-layout did not complain!

Anybody interested in those 2 additional keys to make up DK layout?

Any other national layouts?

[Zen]

Anybody interested in those 2 additional keys to make up DK layout?

Yes, I could maybe use ten of each if the price isn't to ridiculous ..

Edit : and if SP has that big-ass enter-key used on steelseries-boards
I'm in for some of them to ..

[7bit]

Yes, I could maybe use ten of each if the price isn't to ridiculous ..

There are actually 3 keys which differ.  That one with the section mark, to start with. In DK-layout it swapped position with 1/2 against some other nordic layout, which I can't tell apart anymore. Then, there is a key with ` and ' plus |

Do you really need this?

Then there is > < \

Do you need this as well? Aren't just plain > <  or > < | enough?

Why on earth must there be different positions for puctuation keys amongst DE/DK/FI/NO/SE ?

Can't they just stick to one layout?

Wouldn't it be sufficient to have those A, O, U with spots, circles or slashes, plus that AE-ligature?

No?

OK, OK ....

Please be patient, I will update Nordic layout tomorrow.

PS: if you really order 10 sets of that layout, it will get a reasonable price.

PS/2:Big-ass enter? Do you mean that stupid L-shaped Enter by any chance?

[7bit]

4 POS kits for me, barring any big problems with SP

POS kit will be at $18 if 25 sets are being produced (which is very likely!).

POS keys will have row-3 profile (as I understand that is ASDFG-row).

It is also possible to do these keys for e.g. the top rows which would fit mayby better as most of them will go into there.

[Parak]

POS kit will be at $18 if 25 sets are being produced (which is very likely!).

POS keys will have row-3 profile (as I understand that is ASDFG-row).

It is also possible to do these keys for e.g. the top rows which would fit mayby better as most of them will go into there.

Interesting - row 3 is +7 degrees and row 1 is -1 degrees. Does doing them all as a single profile cut down on the cost? I don't really have a preference, but row 1 might be a bit more flexible, even though most of the keys in this set have origins from the rows with positive angles.

[7bit]

Interesting - row 3 is +7 degrees and row 1 is -1 degrees. Does doing them all as a single profile cut down on the cost? I don't really have a preference, but row 1 might be a bit more flexible, even though most of the keys in this set have origins from the rows with positive angles.

She gave me prices for row 3 but did only say it might be more costly if these are for different rows, not for one row. You brought this up, so you decide!

I take that row 1 profile is for the top-rows, right?

I always get confuesed about row-counting. For what ever reason, I count bottom up starting from 0. (This is also the row-counting in my software to porduce those layout-graphics.)

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from the Key  Reference Wiki.

So it is 1 1 2 3 4 4? right?

[Parak]

She gave me prices for row 3 but did only say it might be more costly if these are for different rows, not for one row. You brought this up, so you decide!

I take that row 1 profile is for the top-rows, right?

So it is 1 1 2 3 4 4? right?

Their page claims that DCS is 5 1 2 3 4 4, which is odd since in Ripster's pic the first two are identical.

In any case, doing them all as one row is fine. If row 1 cost is the same as row 3 cost, let's do them all as row 1 profile.

[7bit]

Their page claims that DCS is 5 1 2 3 4 4, which is odd since in Ripster's pic the first two are identical.

In any case, doing them all as one row is fine. If row 1 cost is the same as row 3 cost, let's do them all as row 1 profile.

That is the reason why I am so confused. Because I have the round 1 set, I found out that both top-rows are the same and both bottom-rows are the same as well (which is shown by ripsters pic as well).

When talking to SP, I always use the terms
top-rows, QWERTY-row, ASDFGH-row, ZXCVBN-row, or bottom-rows.

[Soarer]

I think...
Ripster's pic includes the function key row.
Function keys are pretty much always the same as the number row, so SP's graphic doesn't show them.
SP's DCS graphic shows two different profiles for the bottom row; the last two profiles shown are not two rows. So it goes 1, Q, A, Z, Ctrl, Space.
For the other families, isn't the bottom row normally the same as the ZXC row? (So it's only the space bar which has a different profile).

[7bit]

Yeah, my pic is just like they are on the keyboards.  Anything else seems a bit silly IMHO.

In any case just saying to do it like the last order should work.  And give them feedback they should fix row 4 to be less angled.

When I place the order, every single key will be on a layout-sheet in the correct row. On top of that layout-sheet there will be the exact color-codes for background and foreground, key-family and what keystem these are for (Cherry MX).

If something goes wrong, we will have no difficulties to sue them.

About that row-4 angle: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and they'll do any angle you like!

[Ekaros]

Hmm, I just noticed one small and useless cosmetic detail. "Lack" of Alt Gr-key... Not that there is any real need for that Gr... Just came to my mind, from other thread...

[7bit]

Hmm, I just noticed one small and useless cosmetic detail. "Lack" of Alt Gr-key... Not that there is any real need for that Gr... Just came to my mind, from other thread...

I don't know now if the Modifier kit is overcrowded, or not.

However, there will be such key and it will be labeled:

ALT GRAPH

I include it only because it is part of the Sun layout!

[Ekaros]

I don't know now if the Modifier kit is overcrowded, or not.

However, there will be such key and it will be labeled:

ALT GRAPH

I include it only because it is part of the Sun layout!

I don't know, but maybe this should be thrown in local-layout kits... As it seem to fit UK too... Might need to take some comments on this where one does belong...

[theferenc]

I would love to have an Alt-graph key!

[7bit]

I don't know, but maybe this should be thrown in local-layout kits... As it seem to fit UK too... Might need to take some comments on this where one does belong...

Adding such a key to Nordic set, costs extra $-s.

I'm not sure how many sets of the Nordic kit will be ordered. These $14 are very tight, now.

There are less than 25 votes for all national layouts together! At the moment, the only 2 which would make it into production are UK and that Nordic layout. If these where all separeted, I would be sure not even German layout would make it at a reasonable price.

BTW, I plan to set up a new poll where everybody can vote for quantities, maybe some take more than one set.

[wuzle]

Are the orange WASD keys going to have the arrows on the front face? I kinda like having the arrows there, and wasn't sure what the plan was.

[Ekaros]

Adding such a key to Nordic set, costs extra $-s.

I'm not sure how many sets of the Nordic kit will be ordered. These $14 are very tight, now.

There are less than 25 votes for all national layouts together! At the moment, the only 2 which would make it into production are UK and that Nordic layout. If these where all separeted, I would be sure not even German layout would make it at a reasonable price.

BTW, I plan to set up a new poll where everybody can vote for quantities, maybe some take more than one set.

So let's be evil and throw it in standard?

[7bit]

So let's be evil and throw it in standard?

OK, let's be evil!

[touristtam]

What does the POS kits change exactly?

I like the symbol that one find on bog standard keyboard but my understanding is that is it not something offered on this round. Am I wrong?

Tam

[7bit]

What does the POS kits change exactly?

I like the symbol that one find on bog standard keyboard but my understanding is that is it not something offered on this round. Am I wrong?

Tam

Please visit Vote for Kits & Quantities! to find all info on any kits so far.

Could you please be more specific?

[touristtam]

I am actually not really understanding the description of the different kits. And my original question is regarding the modifier key (shift, tabs, enter and backspace and winkey). From my understanding the standard kit offer those as full words. I grew accustomed to the symbols that one find on OEM branded keyboard and I was wondering therefore if there is a kit to include those symbols. Like on that picture Ripster posted:

Sorry for asking questions so late.

[7bit]

I am actually not really understanding the description of the different kits. And my original question is regarding the modifier key (shift, tabs, enter and backspace and winkey). From my understanding the standard kit offer those as full words. I grew accustomed to the symbols that one find on OEM branded keyboard and I was wondering therefore if there is a kit to include those symbols. Like on that picture Ripster posted:

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Sorry for asking questions so late.

Not too late at all! The list is not definite and there are rooms for additional keys to be added to same of these kits.

Because these symbols are already in stock at Signature Plastics (the manufacturer of the key caps), they will not cost more than keys with text on them.

We had 2 additional diamond-keys (Sun Layout) included in Round 1.

Along with the 2 Windows flag keys and that tool-chest key (or menu), these would be 5  (1 1/2)-sized modifier keys.

I will think about their price and add them as an extra tonight or tomorrow.

[Axaion]

This is how Filco made it, which is most important cluster for me.

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This is other part.

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Very sorry for thread ressurection, but where did you accuire this keyboard? seems to be the perfect replacement for my half broken Steelkeys 6G

Also, have a mate looking for a good keyboard, and we cant find any good mechanicals in denmark with a proper layout like this (They all have something retarded in them, but yours is PERFECT!)

Again, sorry for randomly quoteing you

[Ekaros]

Very sorry for thread ressurection, but where did you accuire this keyboard? seems to be the perfect replacement for my half broken Steelkeys 6G

Also, have a mate looking for a good keyboard, and we cant find any good mechanicals in denmark with a proper layout like this (They all have something retarded in them, but yours is PERFECT!)

Again, sorry for randomly quoteing you

It's from keyboardco.com not very cheap, but I love it, still it's SW/FI not DK... There is a few minor differences apart from жде...

[Axaion]

It's from keyboardco.com not very cheap, but I love it, still it's SW/FI not DK... There is a few minor differences apart from жде...

I dont care about the keycap labels, as long as the keys are where they should be when typing, id prefer a blank one actually