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Pros: Price, looks and design, backlit keys & WASD/arrow keys in a different colour
Cons: Content mechanical switch

Build Quality: 8/10
Design & Looks: 10/10
Software: 10/10
Value: 7/10
My final Rating: 8.5/10

Review Price: £55

First of all I would like to thank Sumvision for sending me the keyboard for review. The keyboard can be found on AmazonUK for £55. This keyboard is one of the cheapest mechanical keyboards I’ve ever come across, which also uses a switch that I’ve never heard about – the “Content Mechanical Switch” – which is, according to Sumvision, identical to the “Kailh Mechanical Switch“, which can be found in recent Razer keyboards (Razer and others re-brand these switch as their own – ie. the “Razer Switch” is in fact made by Kailh)
Kailh switch: http://www.kailh.com/en/products.asp?Categoryid=113

Before getting into my written review, here's my video review of the Nemesis Ultra:


First and foremost I think it’s important to share it’s specification, mainly those of the switch.
Here’s the information I was shared by Sumvision about the switch they used in their keyboard:

The actual operating point is the same as Kailh blue switches at 50cN
Total operation force is 60cN ± 15gf
Total key travel: 0.4-4mm
The keys can hold up to 50 million clicks
It supports N-key rollover
The keyboard has a standard 1 year warranty

Further specifications about the keyboard itself, including where to download the driver – can be found on Sumvision’s website:
http://www.sumvision.com/product/Nemesis_ultra/Ultra.html

Build quality

To start off the review of the keyboard, let’s first talk about the build quality.

For me the switch is a main part of the build quality of any keyboard, especially a mechanical one. The switch is very much like a Cherry MX Blue switch, which is vastly popular among typists due to its light actuation point and clicky nature. The Content Switch is also quite similar, despite being slightly heavier to actuate than the Cherry MX Blue. It still makes a satisfactory click-clack sound, however it should be noted that it isn’t as loud as the MX Blue. Each of the keys on the Nemesis Ultra are backlit with a green LED, apart from the WASD and arrow keys that have a red LED. I really like the fact that this keyboard comes in at only £55 and offers backlit keys – the differentiation between the WASD and arrow keys also makes it very nice to use, especially when gaming. The backlit keys can also be changed in intensity, breathing speed and even have a “Christmas tree” pattern (as I like to call it) via the software or via buttons found on the right-hand side of the keyboard.

Going back to the Content Switches, I found them to be decent for both gaming and typing, however when directly compared to Cherry MX Blues and Browns, I found the Cherry switches to feel a lot better on touch. There was just something about these Content switches that just didn’t feel right in comparison. It comes to no surprise that these Chinese switches are cheaper, as it really did depict how they felt in comparison to German Cherry MX switches. This is how and why the Sumvision Nemesis Ultra is a lot cheaper than most other keyboards out there, however it should be said that the switch is extremely similar if not identical to the Kailh switch, which can be found in expensive Razer (and other) keyboards – which begs the question – how much money is being made by these other manufacturers? At least in this case, Sumvision have kept their price low and I applaud them for doing that!
To summarise the switch, as it’s very hard to describe without actually trying it – is that it feels a little odd, a little different and ultimately doesn’t give a pleasurable experience over a Cherry MX switch. With that said, it should be noted that I much prefer this mechanical switch over a membrane keyboard, which could be as expensive, if not more expensive that the Nemesis Ultra.

Moving on from the switch, the actual build quality of the keyboard is actually very good, where it doesn’t have any keyboard flex, despite being made out of plastic, and the key caps themselves feel nice, albeit a little lighter than my CM XT keys. I would say they sit in-between the Logitech G710+’s key caps and the CM XT’s ones, both in terms of weight and the size of the keys. Speaking of which, the key spacing on the Nemesis Ultra is just right for typing and gaming -I found myself typing quite fast and accurately on the key layout – of course this is very subjective, but I think they did a good job here.

The keyboard is terminated by a braided single gold-plated USB, that also has audio inputs for both headphones and a microphone. This is because at the front-side of the keyboard, there is a USB input and an audio in/out for headphones and a microphone. This is a fantastic inclusion by Sumvision, as you often don’t find it in high-end keyboards – the fact you’re getting this in a budget keyboard is fantastic.

Finally to wrap it up, the keyboard doesn’t have an included wrist rest, but does have small groves for you to fit one. The back of the keyboard has risers and two groves for cables to pass-through – which to me is good thinking from Sumvision to have had that included.

Overall, the build quality is really excellent, but is unfortunately let down by the switches that are utilised. I can understand that it’s a budget mechanical keyboard, but as I have to review a “mechanical keyboard” – I just wasn’t a huge fan of this mechanical switch, but really liked the other factors of this keyboard, especially at its given price of £55.

Design

I alluded to the design quite briefly in the build quality section of this review, where I love the inclusion of the backlit keys, especially seeing as the WASD and arrow keys are coloured in red rather than green, like the rest of the keyboard.
The green/red theme rally does remind me of a Christmas tree, but it’s a good look and really is designed for gamers in-mind.

The design of the backlit keys is also well thought out as they can be completely switches off and the WASD and arrow keys operate on a separate illumination, which allows you to have them only on, whilst the rest of the keys are completely off – a neat little feature if you ask me! These green lights also have a small strip of LEDs on the side of the keyboard, which give the keyboard a nice look, when looking at it from the side.

Looking at the keyboard a little closely, reveals a selection of buttons that can be found by the F-keys. It should be noted that my version that I received has “repeat rate” buttons, however these buttons don’t do anything and will be removed in the upcoming iteration of the keyboard. From the F5 to F12 buttons, there are media controls, which allow you to control your music quite easily – I really like this inclusion as it makes using the keyboard in order to control your media very easy.

Finally in terms of design, the 6 keys above the arrow keys have G1-G6 writings on them, which is used via the software to open up specific macros or functions. In my case, I had programmed them to open my Outlook and Chrome, via the Win+Number shortcut. These G keys can be quickly activated by pressing the “G” key located at the top right, next to the illumination buttons.

Overall I think the design and looks of this keyboard is fantastic – it’s a well thought-out keyboard, which at its given price-point is amazing to have a plethora of features included.

Software

The budled software that can be downloaded via Sumvision’s website does an excellent job in providing customisability. It works flawlessly and is really a great addition to this keyboard.
Via the software there are a lot of things you can change/programme – such as the macro settings for each individual key (making it a truly customisable keyboard), customising the G keys to your heart’s content, changing the backlight and their behaviour.

Overall, there’s not much to say about the software, apart from the fact that it does an amazing job and work flawlessly.

Conclusion

In conclusion, I think the Sumvision Nemesis Ultra is a great keyboard, especially for the price, which offers mechanical keyboard functionalities. It’s just unfortunate that it’s using cheaper “Content” switches which are manufactured in China, rather than the Cherry MX switch. I wouldn’t have minded paying an additional £10-15 for the very same keyboard using actual Cherry MX switches. Speaking of which a Cherry MX keyboard can be bought for as cheap as £60 – despite it offering less functionalities and even a backlit keyboard, it’s the quality of the switch you’re looking out for in a mechanical keyboard, not the added features.
In that respect, I like, but cannot actively recommend the Sumvision Nemesis Ultra, as I think it would be wiser for people to add £10-15 on top to buy a Cherry MX keyboard.

Hope you enjoyed my review!
-TotallydubbedHD
Currently own a Logitech G710+ (Brown) at home and a CM Quick Fire XT (Brown) at work!
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Re: Sumvision Nemesis Ultra - Another Mechanical switch on the market
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 03 April 2015, 18:29:17 »
Good review! That keyboard is sure going to be an alternative to people who have been considering the Razer BlackWidow as it has practically the same switches and functionality at almost a third of the price.

The Arachnid Recore can sometimes be purchased at about the same price, with real Cherry MX Red but it is tenkeyless.

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Re: Sumvision Nemesis Ultra - Another Mechanical switch on the market
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 04 April 2015, 11:35:28 »
Good review! That keyboard is sure going to be an alternative to people who have been considering the Razer BlackWidow as it has practically the same switches and functionality at almost a third of the price.

The Arachnid Recore can sometimes be purchased at about the same price, with real Cherry MX Red but it is tenkeyless.

Thanks buddy!
Yes indeed - agreed, very similar and much cheaper.
Although I wonder if the Razer switch is a little more "optimised" - last time I demo'ed one (before Razer got pissed off at my negative reviews of their crap products - thus I don't get any more of their products for review), I found their mech keyboard to feel clunky. Just, as I did with the sumvision - it just didn't fee "right" nor as "responsive" as the Cherry MX switches.

As for the Arachnid Recore - that's a wonderful keyboard - any ideas who I could contact about it - would be interested to give it a try/review!
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Re: Sumvision Nemesis Ultra - Another Mechanical switch on the market
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 17 April 2015, 02:30:49 »
Can you work out what part of the keyfeel is cheaper than cherry? Are you sure that it isn't just a placebo?

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Re: Sumvision Nemesis Ultra - Another Mechanical switch on the market
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 17 April 2015, 03:15:28 »
Can you work out what part of the keyfeel is cheaper than cherry? Are you sure that it isn't just a placebo?

It definitely isn't placebo - as someone who reviews a lot and has an honest opinion throughout products - I get a "feel" of products quite quickly.
The best way to describe it is "clunky" - that's the only thing I can think of to explain it in a way that I could describe my feelings on it.
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Re: Sumvision Nemesis Ultra - Another Mechanical switch on the market
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 27 April 2015, 09:41:07 »
Thanks for the review, it's quite well produced!

The switch comparison, however, isn't useful. I'm sure you can be more specific than "clunky", that really doesn't mean anything to anyone but you. Is the sound different? Is there a feeling of friction between the stem and the housing? Does it feel "dirty", like there's some interference in the mechanism? Does the activation feel uneven between switches? Is there flex or wobble in the keystem?

Also, when showing keycaps please refocus your camera so that we can see the difference between them.

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Re: Sumvision Nemesis Ultra - Another Mechanical switch on the market
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 27 April 2015, 10:23:05 »
Are you https://www.youtube.com/user/totallydubbedHD if you don't mind me asking?

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Re: Sumvision Nemesis Ultra - Another Mechanical switch on the market
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 27 April 2015, 15:07:06 »
Thanks for the review, it's quite well produced!

The switch comparison, however, isn't useful. I'm sure you can be more specific than "clunky", that really doesn't mean anything to anyone but you. Is the sound different? Is there a feeling of friction between the stem and the housing? Does it feel "dirty", like there's some interference in the mechanism? Does the activation feel uneven between switches? Is there flex or wobble in the keystem?

Also, when showing keycaps please refocus your camera so that we can see the difference between them.

-Sound is slightly different, it sounds heavier - if that even makes sense?
-There does feel like a little friction between the stem and housing, although doesn't feel "dirty"
-Activation feels even to me
-There's extremely slight wobble, but that also exists in my Cherry MX switch KBs
-I can't do anything about the camera, sometimes it's the limit that it can do. I own a Sony RX100 (US version). Sorry if the pics/videos are not good enough for you.


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Re: Sumvision Nemesis Ultra - Another Mechanical switch on the market
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 04 May 2015, 08:58:05 »
There still seems to be lots of anti-Kailh feeling. I'd like to read more about rigorous testing of Kailh stuff. At present with Gaterons gatecrashing the keyboard world, maybe kailh is not so bad that reviewer must recommend that buyers pay more for a Cherry MX board?

Remember, the company making this keyboard is not aiming at high end discerning users like us. They are aiming at mass market, and I think 55 pounds for the features you listed is fantastic value. You can't review a Kia like a Lexus. If I had the same experiences you had when doing this review, I would be strongly recommending a buy on grounds of good value.
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Re: Sumvision Nemesis Ultra - Another Mechanical switch on the market
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 04 May 2015, 09:02:11 »
There still seems to be lots of anti-Kailh feeling. I'd like to read more about rigorous testing of Kailh stuff. At present with Gaterons gatecrashing the keyboard world, maybe kailh is not so bad that reviewer must recommend that buyers pay more for a Cherry MX board?

Remember, the company making this keyboard is not aiming at high end discerning users like us. They are aiming at mass market, and I think 55 pounds for the features you listed is fantastic value. You can't review a Kia like a Lexus. If I had the same experiences you had when doing this review, I would be strongly recommending a buy on grounds of good value.

Yes AND no.
There was the Perixx PX-5200 that has MX Blues in it...and that's £70 - a mere £15 more.
So bear that in mind - I know people are looking for the cheapest possible - but at the price of a lunch in London, at Pret a Manger - you can buy yourself a better keyboard.
I've mentioned this in my review already - not sure if you bothered to read it.
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Re: Sumvision Nemesis Ultra - Another Mechanical switch on the market
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 04 May 2015, 09:21:46 »
Yes AND no.
There was the Perixx PX-5200 that has MX Blues in it...and that's £70 - a mere £15 more.
So bear that in mind - I know people are looking for the cheapest possible - but at the price of a lunch in London, at Pret a Manger - you can buy yourself a better keyboard.
I've mentioned this in my review already - not sure if you bothered to read it.

No need to get testy.

I read the whole thing. It was certainly professionally written and very thorough

Doesn't change the reality about the market and what the manufacturer was hoping to target. They are not aiming for top or middle end but the low end masses, and they definitely have a great product for that. Because I bothered to read your entire review, based on all the good things you said, I would be pitching this over a Razer!

A lot of people don't appreciate mechanical keyboards, and they could care less about Cherry switches. Asking them to pay 10 pounds more just to upgrade to Cherry is like the bum asking you for a handout. When talking to (self proclaimed) pro gamers in my country, I am always struck by the fact that they are all happy with Razer, Armageddon, Zalman and all the other low end brands. But then again these people tend to change their gear every new months. Who cares about paying $10 more (let alone 10 pounds which is much more) when it's going into the bin soon?
Most of the modding can be done on your own once you break through the psychological barriers.

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Re: Sumvision Nemesis Ultra - Another Mechanical switch on the market
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 04 May 2015, 09:36:55 »
Yes AND no.
There was the Perixx PX-5200 that has MX Blues in it...and that's £70 - a mere £15 more.
So bear that in mind - I know people are looking for the cheapest possible - but at the price of a lunch in London, at Pret a Manger - you can buy yourself a better keyboard.
I've mentioned this in my review already - not sure if you bothered to read it.

No need to get testy.

I read the whole thing. It was certainly professionally written and very thorough

Doesn't change the reality about the market and what the manufacturer was hoping to target. They are not aiming for top or middle end but the low end masses, and they definitely have a great product for that. Because I bothered to read your entire review, based on all the good things you said, I would be pitching this over a Razer!

A lot of people don't appreciate mechanical keyboards, and they could care less about Cherry switches. Asking them to pay 10 pounds more just to upgrade to Cherry is like the bum asking you for a handout. When talking to (self proclaimed) pro gamers in my country, I am always struck by the fact that they are all happy with Razer, Armageddon, Zalman and all the other low end brands. But then again these people tend to change their gear every new months. Who cares about paying $10 more (let alone 10 pounds which is much more) when it's going into the bin soon?

Testy? lol

I'm just stating my opinion bro - maybe my written words come across strong sometimes, but I'm just to the point and honest.
I had previously talked to Razer - because they couldn't deal with an honest review that slammed their crappy Tiamat headset, they thought never to talk to me again :D

Very true about gamers - unfortunately it's like the beats and apple craze:
"OH my neighbour has it, so I'll get it"
Currently own a Logitech G710+ (Brown) at home and a CM Quick Fire XT (Brown) at work!
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