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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1350 on: Thu, 10 January 2013, 20:25:53 »
She blows hot air like no one else...

Aoyue has an inexpensive all in one station, some members have it or other models... available on amazon or sr-solder or ebay (and so forth).
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1352 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 11:26:12 »
Bag-O-Blues just arrived yesterday...

Paper-based case prototype was built yesterday...

Currently deciding whether the Pi should be under the KB (making it a touch higher), to the side (a touch wider) or behind (a touch deeper).

Leaning deeper and considering also adding a breadboard + MCU interface ;-D

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1353 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 12:00:16 »
Bag-O-Blues just arrived yesterday...

Paper-based case prototype was built yesterday...

Currently deciding whether the Pi should be under the KB (making it a touch higher), to the side (a touch wider) or behind (a touch deeper).

Leaning deeper and considering also adding a breadboard + MCU interface ;-D
Really excited for this. Keep us updated! :)

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1354 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 12:10:42 »
Bag-O-Blues just arrived yesterday...

Paper-based case prototype was built yesterday...

Currently deciding whether the Pi should be under the KB (making it a touch higher), to the side (a touch wider) or behind (a touch deeper).

Leaning deeper and considering also adding a breadboard + MCU interface ;-D

Actually, that sounds like an awesome, and pretty practical idea.  It'll put everything right there in a place where you can work on it, and let you use the Pi to play with, rather than just using it as a low-end desktop. 

I too can't wait to see this develop, as I have a Pi sitting idle right now.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1355 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 16:35:14 »
I may have skipped over the answer in one of the pages in this thread or another

will anybody be looking into plates for the GH60? possibly in an alternative layout than the previous poker plates?

I know it supports PCB mount but i've basically come to the realization i like the feel of a plate a whole lot better than without it.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1356 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 18:19:46 »
Yes, a plate will definitely be offered for these. Hopefully someone can design an integrated case/plate like the Korean customs. Options for several switch layouts will be offered with whatever plate designs are made.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1357 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 19:41:10 »
whoo go GH60-PROF125 plate FTW!!!

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1358 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 20:01:59 »
whoo go GH60-PROF125 plate FTW!!!

i'd do your layout but keycaps though for the layout.....no wasd plz

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1359 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 20:05:14 »
whoo go GH60-PROF125 plate FTW!!!

i'd do your layout but keycaps though for the layout.....no wasd plz
o well you can use an iso set for most of it i think you could see if you could get blanks from SP I just went with WASD because I wanted my layout on the caps

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1360 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 22:27:31 »
GH60-PROF125 not available for prototypes huh?
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1361 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 22:29:54 »
No plates for the prototype boards. Unless you have an extra Poker plate somewhere. But the plate isn't absolutely necessary, since the PCB supports PCB-mount switches.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1362 on: Sat, 12 January 2013, 23:02:06 »
nope it doesnt work yet no split backspace but that in the works

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1363 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 10:47:13 »
I would be interested. I am in for one :)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1364 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 11:25:16 »
Quick question to make sure that I'm not missing something.

With the GH60, I will be able configure it to the "Pure Layout" listed in the OP and then program the right modifiers to be the arrow keys?

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1365 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 12:08:12 »
Sure, you will be able to program it however you wish with a multitude of physical layout options.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1366 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 12:11:14 »
What aluminum cases are would fit the GH60?
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1367 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 12:32:01 »
It will fit in any Poker/Pure case, so you could use oneproducts, imstos, the Duck Poker case, etc..
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1368 on: Sun, 13 January 2013, 18:25:19 »
This look very promising and very interesting.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1369 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 00:24:45 »
It will fit in any Poker/Pure case, so you could use oneproducts, imstos, the Duck Poker case, etc..

I checked but these are non for sale? Al least the Duck Poker, etc I just found as GB and already made.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1370 on: Mon, 14 January 2013, 08:07:50 »
Yeah they exist but it doesn't mean they are available through retail sales. Most of them have been distributed and you will have to look for sales from current owners.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1371 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 08:15:36 »
i am interested, is there still the chance to join it?

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1372 on: Tue, 15 January 2013, 08:17:39 »
It is still in the beta phase. As far as I know, the group buy should start soon.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1373 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 03:13:03 »
So when will these be for sale ? :)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1374 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 03:31:14 »
Just wanted to add my layout. Still don't know if it should be with a split backspace.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1375 on: Wed, 16 January 2013, 04:48:48 »
Ok then, my preferred layout. A 'Pure'-style with 2-button-on-backspace.


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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1376 on: Thu, 17 January 2013, 19:20:22 »
Huh, relcc, that's the exact layout I've been thinking of for a while now. Quite nice.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1377 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 01:11:03 »
Just wanted to add my layout. Still don't know if it should be with a split backspace.
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If you split the backspace, I think this is my preferred layout, most keys would be swappable with an ISO 1800.  Just 3-4 bottom row keys to change.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1378 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 04:00:21 »
When we have to choose a plate I could easily be persuaded into the split backspace version. I just like not having an overly large spacebar on a very small keyboard as it always seemed like a waste, even though it looks great.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1379 on: Fri, 18 January 2013, 08:15:59 »
for the case, why people don't make one of wood? If one has a router, it could be very easy to make one.
Personally, I do not have a router. So, I'm thinking about working with chisels.
Wooden cases would be inexpensive and look cool.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1380 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 04:40:06 »
When we have to choose a plate I could easily be persuaded into the split backspace version. I just like not having an overly large spacebar on a very small keyboard as it always seemed like a waste, even though it looks great.
Really?
I have a couple of 10 unit spacebars and was wondering about using one of them.

Capslock would go and control would be there.
Bottom row would be 1.5, 10, 1.5
Alt, space, fn

Prob not very practical but I reckon would look cool
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1381 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 08:15:15 »
I wanted a 10-unit spacebar on kmiller8's 40% board. Bottom row would be 1.0-10-1.0. But he poo-pood the idea. ;)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1382 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 08:45:16 »
Wut? with a 10 unit spacebar you would actually have room for a 1.5, 1, 10, 1, 1.5. It would be useable on a daily basis and look like a real boss  :cool:

something like ctrl, alt, space, fn, win

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1383 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 11:05:29 »
We need to start working on the plates.
The grand testing will start in a while and end soon.
I'm hoping to start the groupbuy in less than a month or earlier.
I have preliminary quotes from the assembler, there are people who want to offer switch soldering services.

The plates should take into account that some switches are rotated, so some of the switch holes have to have their clip cutouts on the top and bottom.
It would be good if we managed to have the plates done and tested no later than the assembled PCBs, so that the switch assemblers can get the plates together with everything else and start soldering without delays.
Kicad is not very good for designing plates, so I'm searching for someone with CAD skills who can choose a good program and draw the plates quickly.
I'll provide all the spacing information and dimensions.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1384 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 12:22:40 »
Whoever is going to design the plates, please do it with the LZ style switch holes that allow opening of all switches without desoldering, including the ones with stabs (something like WFD did here for the new Phantom plates).

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1385 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 12:26:24 »
Yes, WFD has told me he's doing it, so I'm sure he'll take that into account.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1386 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 13:57:39 »
Wut? with a 10 unit spacebar you would actually have room for a 1.5, 1, 10, 1, 1.5. It would be useable on a daily basis and look like a real boss  :cool:

something like ctrl, alt, space, fn, win

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That looks very cool.
Think capslock replaced with fn and bottom row ctrl, alt, space, win, alt gr in 1.5,1.0,10,1.0,1.5 or 1.25,1.25,10,1.25,1.25

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1387 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 14:18:39 »
that is one crazy-huge spacebar.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1388 on: Sat, 19 January 2013, 15:46:04 »
Yes, WFD has told me he's doing it, so I'm sure he'll take that into account.
make sure to remind him alot lately it seems hes been super busy

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1389 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 15:49:00 »
I thought I read in another thread that someone said there'd be a split spacebar version? Or was I mistaken? Searching for "split spacebar" in this thread doesn't turn up anything, only split backspace.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1390 on: Sun, 20 January 2013, 15:53:25 »
No plans for a split spacebar for the GH60. That's only the kmiller8 40% board. :)
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1391 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 02:42:17 »
In case you don't follow the beta testing thread for these, here is the switch hole design I came up with for the new plates I'm working on. This design allows for 3 important things:

  • any rotation orientation of the switch
  • opening of the top switch housing without desoldering
  • clamp the switch in place, and for the top/bottom plastic clips spring to lock.


That's all you really need to know. But if you're interested in knowing how it works or how I designed it, keep reading: I already have a stack of 45 TKL plates all with the A holes, so it's already known to work. The GH60 PCB require some of the switches to be rotated 90° or 270°, which the B hole accommodates to. But rather than make the plate have holes that are non-uniform, I came up with a switch that would allow any rotation (in multiples of 90° of course) so that all the holes in the plate would look the same. To do this, just combine A and B holes together to get hole C. However the problem with this is that if only the outline was cut out, the two plastic spring clips on the top and bottom edge of the switch won't be able to lock into the plate. There must be a cut in middle of the inside perimeter to account for this (the solid blue lines in hole C). The cut must be long enough so that the spring clips can lock, but short enough so that it doesn't interfere with the tabs to open up the switch. This magic number is between 0.167" and 0.240". I took tolerance into account, so specified that line to be 0.200". This inner perimeter line connected to the two outer perimeter lines on both sides will make some tabs on all 4 sides. If you darkened all the important lines and get rid of all the reference lines from hole C, then you get the resulting hole D, which is the final design of the switch hole.


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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1392 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 09:38:17 »
Very nice, WFD!

Can you send or publish a DWG of the hole so others can try it as well?

Thanks for all the plate work, and very good job on this one!

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1393 on: Tue, 22 January 2013, 10:03:29 »
I understand that this is pretty amazing, simple in some way, and very brillant at the same time  :D
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1394 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 13:02:43 »
In case you don't follow the beta testing thread for these, here is the switch hole design I came up with for the new plates I'm working on. This design allows for 3 important things:

  • any rotation orientation of the switch
  • opening of the top switch housing without desoldering
  • clamp the switch in place, and for the top/bottom plastic clips spring to lock.

This is AWESOME! Gosh, I might participate in this GB, although I'm getting the ErgoDox first.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1395 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 14:20:15 »
i hope still adding led holes


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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1396 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 22:30:20 »
approximately how much would one of these cost?

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1397 on: Thu, 24 January 2013, 23:03:56 »
Cost will be highly variable. It depends on what you want and how good you are at sourcing the rest of the parts. For bare minimum with luck, I would plan for at least $80 in final cost if you don't have anything at all on hand. Should cover buying a used board to harvest switch, stabs and keycaps from, and being lucky enough to get a good price on a plastic Poker/Pure case in addition to the GH60 pcb.

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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1398 on: Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:01:13 »
I'm in for one, depending on price, but i'm 90% in.
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Re: [Final Prototyping] GH60 Keyboard
« Reply #1399 on: Wed, 30 January 2013, 13:59:27 »
Soooo... I know I am really late on this (and don't know if it has been debated yet) but what is the possibilities of adding LED support on some key locations like esc, (split)backspace, W,A,S,D and the 1U to the right of a 1.75 right shift?
For me, it would be okay if I would have to wire it up myself, as long as there is holes for it.